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Monday, October 15, 2007
Debra J. Saunders :: Townhall.com Columnist
Nanny State Becomes Granny State
by Debra J. Saunders
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Last week, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a measure that subjects drivers who smoke with minors in cars to a $100 fine. The Belmont City Council passed a measure to ban smoking, not only on sidewalks or in parks, but even in your own apartment or condo, if the neighbors complain.

Witness the Florida-ization of California. Wags have called California the Nanny State. Now it's turning into the Granny State -- as Sacramento lawmakers pass laws that work like real estate CC&Rs (covenants, conditions and restrictions) that restrict how other people can live.

My generation is the generation that got away with everything. We partied. (OK, maybe you didn't, but I did.) We partook of illegal substances. We changed the drinking age to 18, as we chanted, "Old enough to fight, old enough to drink." We promised that when we were in charge, we wouldn't tell people how to live their lives. We would let others find their own path and make their own mistakes.

So what do we do when we are old enough to run things? Having sown our wild oats, we're outlawing oatmeal. The drinking age in America is 21 -- states that don't comply stand too lose 10 percent of federal highway funding.

California lawmakers repeatedly have tried to pass bills to make California the first state to raise the smoking age from 18 to 21. After the Belmont vote, it seems only a matter of time before it passes.

Look what we've done with America. If you're 18, you can serve in Afghanistan, but don't drink a beer. You can vote, but if some California lawmakers have their way, you won't be able to buy a cigar.

In Belmont, soon you might not be able to smoke in your own home, while statewide you will be subject to a fine if you drive and smoke with someone under 18 in your car.

What about freedom? Perhaps Californians should be grateful that the bill by Assemblywoman Sally Lieber to make it a crime for a parent to spank a young child did not survive. Ditto Gov. Schwarzenegger's veto of a bill to require car seats for children up to 8 years old.

Note that liberals are leading the way in pushing granny state laws. Only one Republican in the entire Legislature voted for SB7 (the smoking in cars with minors bill), while Democrats provided all 44 aye votes in the Assembly and 20 yes votes in the Senate. Democrats were behind bills to ban the sale of soft drinks first in elementary and middle schools, then in high schools. (Fairweather Republican Schwarzenegger signed said legislation.) The generation that lobbied for kegs on campus is booting cola out of classrooms.

Sure, liberal lawmakers talk about choice. But if they believe your choices are bad for you, they will use the full force of the law to impose their will on you.

"It is, 'I can do it, so I'm going to,'" explained Belmont Councilman Bill Dickenson, who voted against the even-in-your-own-home smoking ban.

Assembly GOP Leader Michael Villines of Clovis lamented bills to mandate "what you can eat and can't eat" -- when mainstream voters are looking for "a good school, a good job and to live in a safe community."

Pity the poor busybody politician in search on an excuse to pass laws that mandate how other people live. After all, they can't outlaw all unhealthy behavior, so they have to find unpopular targets -- smokers, fat people -- or claim they are passing a granny law For The Children.

Then, they expand childhood. So that law to require booster seats for children until they're age 6 or weigh 60 pounds is rejiggered to kids up to age 8. After all, Sacto solons can't allow parents to decide whether or not to put school-age children in car seats. And they want to tell voting-age military-age 20-year-olds, who can't drink, that they can't smoke.

I don't want to knock old people. I plan on being one some day. But I don't want a stereotypical old lady, who peaks through her curtains, passing laws that dictate what I can or cannot do -- especially in my own home.

Yet that is what Sacramento lawmakers -- the macho Schwarzenegger even -- have decided they have the right to do. My generation thought we'd be so tolerant and open to the different drummer. Yet we keep electing politicians who believe they have a right to dictate how other adults live. Busybody granny politicians treat adults -- whether they're 20 or 50 -- like children. Maybe they're right, because California voters let them do it.

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California the brightest

The problem is that other States' politicians look at the CA and think only one thing "How long before we can pull one of these and make people pay for enforcement?"

Generally speaking, people don't deserve any better. As JD's Handsome Son posted above, they will learn only when it's too late.

What Americans often forget is that
a) nobody likes them
b) they speak one language
c) their skills are gone together with booming service industry
which makes them unemployable anywhere else in the World. Minus maybe top 1% of the population who will fare well anyway even in destroyed U.S. of A.

That should make them extremely motivated to keep this country great and stop destroying it. US didn't become great because Government told people how to live their life. Quite the contrary, actually.

Lefty Arnold
First things first -- Schwarzenegger is not a Republican, he's an out-an-out liberal. Just look at his decisions, let alone what family he married into. The do-gooders must be stopped if we cherish freedom at all. We must fight back. Think I'll open a Coke and light up a smoke and curse our fascist neolibs. Le'Chaim.


Clinton '08? Hill no!

Girlie
Man! Women usually want everyone to eat leaves, don't smoke, don't drink (too much), don't drive too fast, don't be too loud, don't be too gross, don't shoot guns, don't run too fast, share everything with people who feel bad, give everyone a hug, in the big circle of life, squeeze the hand next to you, look them in the eyes and say something nice, don't be too competitive, don't hurt anyone's feelings or lower their self-esteem, be sensitive to monthly problems, have a good cry from time to time, don't watch violent movies or listen to music that's too loud...
An, the Governator will not veto a thing. So, what I want to know, who is the "girlie man" now?

For the life of me I cannot...
fathom what possesses people to give over their personal liberty to politicians. Do they not realize that by taking away the liberty of other people they are taking away their own also.

They preach tolerance but don't practice it. They preach free speech but don't tolerate it from anyone who disagrees with them.

Come on, people wake up! I really don't know how we survived growing up without all these do gooders. Do they really believe that long life and good health can be legislated, because they sure don't believe moral values can or should be.

I want the government out of my personal life. There are some things we have a right to decide for ourselves.

Sadly JD's Handsom Son I...
think you have hit the nail on the head. There is no reasoning with these idiots!

The question isHow long
will we (the people) continue to accept these continual assaults on our freedom?

Jd Handsome Son
California, where all the hip, new age, trendoid anti-establishment, radical baby boomers settled down. How ironic that it's now a state of slaves, cripples, victims and free loaders. Oh yes, I almost forgot, it's diverse. Cool, man.

Yea guess where all the hip, new age, trendoid anti-establishment, radical baby movers are moving to...States in the mountain west, Idaho,Utah,Arizona and Nevada. Why do you think these state are becoming increasing purple states (well mabye not Utah or Idaho but certainly the case in Nevada and Arizona)

What fatheads!
"while statewide you will be subject to a fine if you drive and smoke with someone under 18 in your car."

Do these people have any idea how many of those under 18--that they are supposedly protecting by such a stupid law--smoke themselves?

CA getting more like the real Nanny...
state, Great Britian.

God Bless Ma and Pa
Last month a Deerfield IL couple was sentenced to 18 months of probation, fines, and community service, and the husband also got 14 days in jail, just because they allowed 20 teenagers to drink at their house. Outrageous. Isn't this a free country? After all, only two of the guests died after leaving this party drunk and crashing their cars. One of the kids had a blood level twice the legal limit and the other one also had traces of marijuana in his blood but, hey, boys will be boys. The couple was also found guilty of lying to the police because they were in the home during the party and several times entered the basement party area where liquor bottles and beer cans were in plain sight, but they said they had no idea there was drinking going on. Big deal: who cares about lying to the police? What a bunch of Nazis: parents have a perfect right to conduct a drunken brawl for minors.

Profblog
Enjoyed your post. BTW, they announced today (ABC National Evening News) that cancer rates are dropping dramatically among people who are not smoking and are eating wisely, exercising, avoiding obesity, and getting medical checkups. If you and they are both correct, then, if present trends continue, eventually we will have a population of healthy effeminate men and dead macho men. Is there anything you'd like us to do for your widow and children?

Ma and Pa and drinking
In the case of the Parents Lilly described, The only thing the parents did wrong in my opinion is letting someone leave the Party when they were drunk and drive and providing false statement to a police officer. First real High School party I went to at I was 16 and there was a keg at the house and the parents were home and I got so sick that at our 20 year reunion it was still talked about. Most people slept at the house both male and female, parents made sure no one drove drunk, and the next morning, a Saturday, I had a HUGE hangover and my mom made me go to work anyway. One of the worst days of my life but I learned great life lessons from it.
Lying to police is wrong, and allowing a kid or anyone to drive after drinking (or doing drugs ) is criminal and negligent. Not really the same as the topics of the granny state article though.

How long will these assaults last?
CT writes: Monday, October, 15, 2007 10:09 PM
The question is How long will we (the people) continue to accept these continual assaults on our freedom? ......

If we keep doing what we have been doing; we'll keep getting what we've got! We have nothing but self-serving politicians whose sole goal is to be RE-elected and/or to gain POWER. WE NEED STATESMEN ... LIKE CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL (R-TX) who insist on government conforming to the LAW OF THE LAND -- the Constitution of the United States of America AND the Bill of Rights. GO to .....
http://www.paulforronpaul(dot)com .....AND CHECK OUT THE LINKS THERE. There's a FREEDOM revolution going on folks -- haven't you heard?

Any Authority
that can give you everything...can take everything away from you.

Whatever happened to "A Man's home is his castle"?

If Lying to the Police is wrong
is it still OK to them the to p*ss off?

Bravo
I have been advocating lowering the drinking age to 18 for many years, precisely because if you can vote and serve your country, then one can partake of a beer or glass of wine. But who is responsible for raising the drinking age? MADD, or Mothers Against Drunk Driving, who should be known as Mothers for Prohibition. They have lowered the drunk driving criteria to .08%, but give them time, and they will eventually lower it to .05% or even less. Like all people with good intentions (liberals and religious fundamentalists), they find they have power and they utilize it to make others acquiesce to their notion of moral righteousness.

The other hypocrisy that lawmakers and some people have is that one cannot drink alcohol until 21, but it's OK to buy cigs at 18. And if one is caught drinking before 21, let's take away your license for years. But if one smokes at age 16, this does not require taking away privileges, in spite of the fact that smoking kills four to five times the people that drinking booze does.

I personally do not smoke, and I detest the practice, but where is freedom of choice in this country? One final comment: Let's be more libertarian when it comes to one's own body. But if one does something idiotic, and it hurts them, they ought to pay for the cost of their idiocy.

Geezer Rock still allowed in Nanny State
This article got me so worked up I stumbled on my walker as I was tryin' to reach my bifocals, knocking my dentures and hearing aid off the table in the process.

I'm gonna think long and hard about this article as I drive my sedan at 36 mph in the fast lane on the interstate...for miles and miles and miles.

Nice article.

Both the left and the right are guilty of this worrisome nanny-state mindset.

Rightwing fanatics think they have authority from God to tell Americans what we can do(as consenting adults)in our bedrooms.

Leftist goonsquads think they have the right to dictate to Americans what types of vehicles we can own, all in the name of protecting Mother Earth...their "religion".

I guess it is too much to hope for common sense and rationality anymore.

Just don't let them take away the piping in of geezer rock to my assisted living facility.

I won't stand for it.

It's The Meathead Not Old Ladies
I never heard the stereotype about old ladies deciding what you can and can't do. Isn't the California proponent behind all of the smoking legislation the Meathead from All In The Family and hasn't HE been doing it for a really, really long time? Isn't the main proponent behind drinking law age changes MOTHERS Against Drunk Driving not GRANDMOTHERS and haven't they been pursuing it for a really, really long time?

And since Arnie and Rudy are
seemingly cut from the same liberal Republican cloth, vote for Giuliani to make this sort of nonsense national.

And if prominent Republicans continue to sign on to this kind of garbage, the 'anybody but Hillary' scare tactic that is being used to push people into voting R no matter what won't resonate with anyone outside the RNC.

CA DREAMIN' TURNED NIGHTMARE
Throughout California's history, people have migrated to the state in search of a better life and often to get away from traditions, not to preserve them.

The movie industry has been a law unto itself for the last century and a trendsetter. However, until the 1960s, most movies were made to appeal to the greatest possible audiences. Deviants were dealt with as lawbreakers or otherwise banished from Hollywood. Since the 1960s, the movie industry has been dominated by people with total contempt for America and Judaeo-Christian values.

For the last 30 years, many people able to do so have left California for other states in no small part because of big state government and high taxes. Others have returned to the states where they were born and raised. They have been able to sell their suburban homes for small fortunes and buy new homes for cash elsewhere. Not long ago, I heard that many black people who were born and raised in the black enclave of South Central Los Angeles are moving to Southern states as illegals settle into their neighborhoods.

The CA Republican Party is dominated by moneyed RINOs (Republican In Name Only), not true blue Reagan conservatives. RINO is the breed of Republican earlier generations called blueblood, country club, establishment, moderate, and Rockefeller.

Arnold was not my first choice for Governor because I thought he would take his orders from his in-laws. Since he became Governor under unusual conditions, there was no primary in which a conservative supported by the conservative base could have defeated him.

Did I hear right?
The Feds can withhold money from the states if the states determine their own local laws that fit within the constitution? Now wait just a damn minute.

No, I'm really not that naive. I just wonder why we keep hiring the jerks and jerkettes that continue to screw this country and its people to the wall.

By the way, does Arnold still smoke cigars?

lilly writes:
Profblog
Enjoyed your post. BTW, they announced today (ABC National Evening News) that cancer rates are dropping dramatically among people who are not smoking and are eating wisely, exercising, avoiding obesity, and getting medical checkups. If you and they are both correct, then, if present trends continue, eventually we will have a population of healthy effeminate men and dead macho men. Is there anything you'd like us to do for your widow and children?

Yes lilly and when the muslims show up and enforce their laws which will include what you can do in your bedroom and with who I'm sure your effeminate man will protect you. In a free country you are free to make your own decisions but in Amerika big brother will make them for you.

Blazing Saddles
This reminds me of the scene in 'Blazing Saddles' where Slim Pickens and the boys ride up to the toll booth in the middle of the desert. Slim comments about the current governor of his state, "Now what'll that a**hole think of next?" Indeed. Backed by a legislature which is composed of aging hippies and Mexican radicals and pandering to an electorate that is apparently dumber than a bag of hammers we can expect anything, and I do mean anything, from our elected leaders. We are also cursed, in this state (I live in CA, by the way), with a Republican Party which seems to have a electoral death-wish. Republicans get elected to statewide office in places like MA and NY but not here. All these idiots seem to care about are making abortion illegal and protecting your right to own a machine gun, not winning issues in a heavily urban state. So taxes will go up and up and the laws will get more bizarre until we achieve New England status.

Isn't it curious
that a lot of baby boomers who in their youth marched,rioted, and had sit down strikes to protest all kinds of restrictions and lack of freedem due to rules and conventions now are in the business of imposing rules they, in their judgement, think are best for the rest of us. In spite of Lilly's sippy little note about underage parties and drunk drivers, she has done nothing to persuade me that the boomer generation simply has better ideas about what is good for us than their parents. (Maybe she has convinced no one about almost anything is because Lilly's messages are usually snippy and condescending.) I am for few rules and laws about almost anything. Less government intusion the better.

Roadkill58
After all the centuries of women being hidden and locked away the Muslims have developed a pervasive gay culture, as anyone who has spent any time in the Middle East will tell you. Perhaps the effeminate husband would be just the thing to keep the angry Muslims occupied while the wifey makes her getaway. Remember the words of the pacifist Lytton Strachey; when asked what he would do if a German soldier tried to rape his sister he remarked, "I should try to come between them."

The one that sticks in my craw
is that here in Colorado, persons who are old enough to vote, enlist in the armed services, etc., are not considered old enough to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights by possessing a handgun if they're under 21. And, if you're on a college campus, you're not considered smart enough to have a gun and know when and when not to use it.

Nanny State ,,Ninny state
Geez.. NO smoking in homes That will really be a blow to the marijuana crowd!!!
Maybe the people in Arnold land will finally wake up and VOTE!

Oregon has the same problems almost, but we have Medical MJ!!! almost!



California The Nazi State
California sounds like a reincarnation of Nazi Germany (including the open space laws that have forced African Americans to leave in large numbers). It supports and nurtures illegal immigrants whom are used to deny jobs to black citizens-forcing more blacks to flee.

Hollywood supports and promotes every depravity known to man. Child molestation has exploded across the nation, but in Hollywood, this is considered 'healthy for America". Californians are about a slow as you can get.

California is really a moral garbage dump for all rhe societal parasites and refuse in America. It is Sodom and Gomorrah, and Jim Crow all wrapped into one.

Perhaps the next earthquake will do to California what the fires did to Sodom and Gommorah.

California the Nazi State
It is a Nazi and Nanny State all rolled into one.

I couldn't agree more. I moved here from Eastern Pennsylvania to follow my career in 2002. What a mistake. This place is an insane asylum run by the inmates. Can't carry a gun to protect myself against the criminal scum who are allowed to run the streets, thanks to the ACLU and the leftist courts, unless you know some Sheriff (especially Contra Costa County) and/or "donate' to his re-election campaign. You can drive through stop signs with only a "CA rolling stop", make right turns at red lights w/o stopping at all and NEVER use a turn signal; I have seen cars drive down one-way streets the wrong way in front of a cruiser (Concord, CA) and not get stopped, but I received a $93 ticket because I had the audacity to cross a street without waiting for the light to change even though there wasn't a car in sight. I'm not mature enough to know whether it was safe I guess. I asked a Concord PD unit one morning if they had a vagrancy law in the City as I pass NUMEROUS homeless people sleeping in a local park (next to a day care center) when I walk my dog and his reply was "what's vagrancy"? Duh. Which question I answered. His reply, it is not a crime to be homeless. OK but what about the homes and cars they break into to steal to buy beer and feed themselves, etc. I guess that's OK. I am counting the days until I can retire, leave this socialist hell hole and move to a state where freedom still exists. The view and weather here are NOT worth the cost. I only hope there are states left in 5 years where I can still be free.

Mike S

for KM7: My "Grand Bargain"
KM7 writes: "Geez.. NO smoking in homes That will really be a blow to the marijuana crowd!!!"

I was about to post the following proposed "Grand Bargain": Republicans defend the right to smoke tobacco anywhere in private, PROVIDED they also defend the right to smoke marijuana anywhere in private. That is, you should be able to smoke marijuana any place that you are allowed to smoke tobacco.

Let's see how the Republicans try to weasel out of that one.

Just try it
You cannot enslave a free man. You can only kill him. That was Robert Heinlein speaking.

People cannot walk all over you if you will not lie down. That was my college roommate's Dad speaking.

""...'I will stop the motor of the world.' Then he walked out. We never saw him again. We never heard what became of him. But years later, when we saw the lights going out, one after another, in the great factories that had stood solid like mountains for generations, when we saw the gates closing and the conveyor belts turning still, when we saw the roads growing empty and the steam of cars draining off, when it began to look as if some silent power were stopping the generators of the world and the world was crumbling quietly, like a body when its spirit is gone -- then we began to wonder and to ask questions about him."

And that, of course, was John Galt speaking.

Come up to me with your Nanny/Granny/Busybody bleat and I will speak. It will sound something like "No."

thank God for these liberal nannies!!

I want to take this time to thank liberal nannies, like Lilly, for protecting me.

I know that I am too stupid to take care of myself so the liberal rules help me.

I look forward to the day that liberals decide my bed time. I don't often get a full eight hours because I watch movies late at night. Of course, I am sure that liberals will help me by restricting my tv viewing as well.

I also bite my fingernails. I am hoping that there is an agency to help me with that.

Once the state stops me from my self-destructive behavior, I know my life will be fulfilled. Afterall, I am stupid and they are smart.

H8CA
Regarding the golden state, I found your comments right on. I came out here a good bit before you did but I'm reminded of that line in the movie 'LA Confidential', they're 'selling an image'. And it's drifted further from reality all the time - and I've witnessed it.

The jobs are traps that we end up wasting our time on - the negatives are not worth the positives.

It is a Nazi state - I call them fascists.

I've been sorry I came out here for ten years - getting out of here will be the best thing I ever did.

Nanny State (California)
It's not a Nanny State, nor a Granny State, but rather a Gestapo State. It's horrible!!!

Betty Davis
Hemet, CA

Late post
Everyone talks but none ask the right question.

Where do the law makers get the right or authority to impose such laws????


Why is no one challenging them in court??
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