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Wednesday, April 11, 2007
Debra J. Saunders :: Townhall.com Columnist
Survivor Iran: The Hostage Show
by Debra J. Saunders
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When Iran released 15 British sailors and marines held hostage last week, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called the release an "Easter gift to the British people." The British Ministry of Defense's decision to allow the hostages to sell their stories to the media made Ahmadinejad's "gift" an unwanted gift that keeps on giving.

Monday, the Blair government reversed the policy, announcing it was under review, but the damage already was done. Other conservatives have bashed the 15 members of the British Navy and Marines for not fighting back when eight boats loaded with Iranian Revolutionary Guards surrounded their lone boat, in what the Iranians falsely claim were their waters. Not me.

As Royal Marines Capt. Chris Air explained: "The Iranians are not our enemies. We are not at war with them. By the time the true intent of the Iranians had become apparent, and we could legitimately have fought back, it was too late for action."

Besides, who wants to die on a moment's notice while starting World War III? It is, however, hard to defend the British troops' behavior as hostages. Sailor Faye Turney, the only female hostage, apologized for "obviously" being in Iranian waters. She also called for Britain to get out of Iraq. Marine Nathan Thomas Summer told Iranians, I "deeply apologize for entering your waters" -- when the Brits were in Iraqi waters.

For their part, the hostages were lined up, blindfolded, to await a mock execution. Turney feared that she would be raped.

John Nichol, an RAF navigator who was held and beaten by Iraqis after being shot down in the 1991 Persian Gulf War, told the Times of London, "Until you have been there, you have absolutely no idea."

OK, but you can have sympathy for the hostages and still know that their behavior -- even if poor training undermined their reaction -- was not worthy of reward.

To the contrary, as they were leaving, the hostages shook hands with Ahmadinejad as he joked about their "mandatory vacation." They accepted souvenirs -- goody bags of Persian sweets, pistachio nuts and vases.

The episode signaled, as Marina Hyde wrote in the Guardian, "the apparent ease with which British servicemen and women can be co-opted as propaganda tools."

As for the Ministry of Defense's decision to waive the usual rules because of these "exceptional circumstances" -- well, suffice it to say that those words must have been a kick in the teeth to families who lost loved ones in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Buried in this national-security debate is a class issue. Bob Ayers of Chatham House, a London-based foreign-affairs think tank, noted in an e-mail: "Now 15 people from the lower rungs of the military ladder find themselves experiencing Andy Warhol's famous 15 minutes of fame -- albeit this time it is a bit longer than 15 minutes -- and decided to profit from it. Their principal crime seems to be that they are intruding on what had heretofore been the exclusive domain of the admiral, field marshal and government minister -- being paid for publishing their experiences.

"The argument that (military) personnel cannot publish is difficult to understand when the large number of factual books about the Falklands, the SAS, the Irish 'Troubles' and so on are recalled. The only difference I can see is the time delay between having the experience and publishing about it.

"Assuming that they don't compromise sensitive information, why not publish?" The answer: Because if the Blair government wants to democratize its policies as to who in the military can publish for pay, this is the wrong time to do so.

The biggest known threat to the national security of Great Britain and the United States lies among Islamic extremists who believe that Westerners always will back down in a pinch. With a possible six-figure payout for talking about folding as a hostage -- Turney's reported take -- those extremists will see a system that rewards meekness, even in the military.

Yesterday, Ahmadinejad announced he was expanding Iran's nuclear program. This time, no goody bag.

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My namesake, BrianR, writes
.... that "If these losers had (his) six in a firefight, (he would be unsure as to) which direction (he'd) want to point (his) weapon."

And as one whose many ancestors and/or family members at one time had the same choice to make and chose wrongly, let me remove any doubt.

Any -- ANZACs, Czechs, Poles, Kenyans, Rhodesians, Israelis, South Africans, Once Free British and now forever enslaved Hong Kong Citizens -- and scores of other examples involving millions of people -- who have ever entrusted their sixes to Limeys are either dead or are or have been and/or still are enslaved.

The Limeys have been dead meat since 1776 and have not for at least a hundred and fifty years been even the shadow of the nation that, during the twentieth century, existed only in the fertile fantasies of the, in-any-case essentially American, Winston Churchill.

Look at bigger picture
If no one challenges Iran's taking those Brits in Iraqi waters, then the Iranians can be default more the boundary out from their shore and squeeze more sovereignty out of Iraq.


Sorry, Garry
Sorry, but it's too late for the Brits to strut around acting tough. If, at the time, they had sunk every Iranian boat involved in the capture then THAT would have made a statement.

Would that have started a war? Maybe, but I doubt Iran would go to war over 6 or 8 boats.

sane? maybe, but he shur cant spel
re. Lola's comment, "One of the few sane voices in California."

Saunders
One of the few sane voices in California.

WW III is already being fought
Saunders says, "who wants to die on a moment's notice while starting World War III?"

It's already on. The enemy knows this. It's the same enemy in Iraq, Gaza, Lebenon, Darfur, Afghanistan, New York, Bali, Russia, Somalia, Iran. It's all one war.

Nevertheless, Saunders' point is taken. The 15 British children probably don't know it, given that their heirarchy seems to ignore it.

The enemy knows it's WW III. Bin Laden has said so, in so many words last fall, that WWIII wass currently being faught in Iraq.

saunders is wrong

Debbie says she "doesn't hold it against the RMs for not fighting back". After all, we aren't at war with iran.

wrong answer.

It is common knowledge that IEDs used to kill coalition forces are being supplied by iran.

Besides, what do you think boats loaded with men approaching you means? I seriously doubt anyone thought they were tour boats.

Let's get serious here. The commanding officer of those RMs should be court-martialed for failing to protect the sailors under his command. For gosh sakes, they're soldiers. What the heck do you think they issue them fire arms for?

Then they should court-martial everyone of those sailors who showed up on camera smiling and playing ping-pong. They are all schooled in the code-of-conduct which dictates behavior while a POW. And make no mistake about it, they were POWs.

It also is a remarkable commentary on the foolishness of women in combat zones...

liberalgoodman
Wow! You are DEFINITELY a card-carrying member of the Blame America First club.

That was, bar none, the most inane post I've seen so far this week.

It's OUR fault that the Brit POWs acted like wimps.

Simply amazing.

The Redcoats are Crumbling!
A couple of things are going on here. First, the ROE for these Gulf of Aqaba Mission were idiotic; apparently, the British High Command instructed its sailors and marines to make sure and bring their knives to an expected gunfight. Second, the presence of a female in the boarding-party pornographically illustrates the non-seriousness the non-seriousness that the once-called Great Britian treats its military by reducing to a social engineering playground instead of what it is supposed to be: the necessarily sharp and pointy spear of the nation-state's foreign policy.

-Trentamj

Sympathy for the British
Had the US and British treated our prisoners well, had we refrained from "detaining" Iranians in Iraq legally, had we denounced and rooted out prisoner abuse in Iraq and Gitmo, we would have had the moral high ground. Instead the Iranians got to look better than us.

Some conservatives wonder where Bush derangement syndrome comes from. The man who makes America look worse than a tinpan tyrant definitely makes me angry.

Survival of the Sissies
Allowing these sissies to burble in public is probably a good idea -- because it reveals how shallow, childish, unprepared and generally shameful their training and understanding is of what military duties and responsibilities really are.

These children apparently think that there's nothing worth standing up for, no reason to stand by your principles (if you have any) -- everything to them is "Yeah, whatever" -- and I really believe their idea of torture is to be sent to a room by themselves, to sit on the bed with their hands folded and shut up. In other words, the exact same punishment that our parents used to give us when we got in a fight with our sisters...or perhaps the extreme torture of Sister Mary Bernadette who made us go to the detention room, sit facing the wall, and write out significant lines in silence until Sister said we could go.

Deprived of iPod, BlackBerry, Cell Phone, and Internet Access! No Tee Vee! And worst of all: MADE TO SIT STILL AND SHUT UP!

Yep, sounds like torture to me.

My thought is let the sissies blabber. They're showing us all where the serious holes are in our modern way of rearing children AND training soldiers, and perhaps will allow the pendulum to swing back a little more quickly toward discipline.

No protests back home
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Why were there no Brits protesting back home? Instead, there were Iranians protesting, even though it was perfectly clear that no incursion into Iranian waters had occurred (simply because the Iranians had to fudge on the coordinates).

Maybe those left of center see all this as progress, but I can't help but see it as the decline of the West and the rise of Islam. And since Islam in general is such a reactionary force in the world, I cannot see why any leftist would cheer at this.

Weaklings
It is difficult to understand what happened to those English boys and girl, who so easily gave in to the Iranians. When I recall how brave the Brit boys were, even under torture, in Korean prision camps, I just can't belive it is the same kind of people. But then, some are cowards, some are brave. It takes all kinds of people to make a nation. But one should hope that at least those who are in the Armed Services would be made of a tougher stuff.

Leadership woes?
Could the admittedly less than courageous behaviour of the hostages be, at least partly, due to a lack of confidence in their political leaders? I certainly wouldn't want to be dependent on the courage and resolve of too many western political leaders. If you're going to fight, and potentially get killed or injured for it, at least you want it to count for something, or to know that someone is standing up for you.

ANy suggestions as to what the British can do to retaliate, now that the sailors are home? How about sailing into Iranian waters a few times, or maybe stopping some Iranian vessels in international waters? But that would take some political courage, one of teh rarest kinds.

Cheers, Garry.

BS
As we've discussing here on other columns, the real issue here is that these 15 Brits acted like lap dogs for their captors, had no guts nor military bearing, accepted the "goodie bags" and actually gushed over them, and otherwise acted like a gaggle of high school kids caught drinking behind the gym trying to suck up the the school principal.

If these losers had my six in a firefight, I'm not sure which direction I'd want to point my weapon.

Absolutely pathetic.
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