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Friday, January 05, 2007
Dean Barnett :: Townhall.com Columnist
Return of the Realists
by Dean Barnett
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Oh dear. They’re back. Or more accurately, they never left. Like a pile of metaphorical dog poo that America’s collective shoe stepped in a few decades ago, our body politic just can’t manage to completely scrape off the wise old men who fancy themselves “realists.”

The “realist” school of foreign policy once again strutted across the stage of world opinion on Thursday with the publication of a Brent Scowcroft op-ed in the New York Times. In reading the piece, one could only marvel at the irony that the self-styled “realists” in fact inhabit a bizarre fantasy world.

The Scowcroft piece has three identifiable purposes. One is to rescue the reputation of the universally scorned Iraq Study Group. A second is the less onerous task of lighting the way to peace not only in Iraq but in the entire Mid-East. The third is of course to indulge the habitual “Realist” obsession with the state of Israel and its arrogant insistence on existing.

THE TITLE OF THE ARTICLE gives you a perfect sense of the mush-minded pabulum that has traditionally passed for “realism” among Scowroft and his ilk. Scowcroft calls his piece, “Getting the Middle East Back on Our Side.”

What a glorious conceit that title implies: When the putative grown-ups like Scowcroft were running things, the Middle East collectively adored us. It was only when youthful rabble-rousers like Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz seized the helm of the ship of state that things went awry.

The title brilliantly illuminates the perennially skewed Scowcroftian view of the world. Empirically speaking, the Middle East as a whole has not been “on our side” the past 30 years. Saddam wasn’t on our side. Iran hasn’t been on our side. The Assads haven’t been on our side. When Arafat wasn’t busy stealing from his own people and amassing a personal fortune, he was arranging the death of a U.S. ambassador and facilitating countless other acts of terror.

And yet Scowcroft feels that there were halcyon days of yore when the Middle East was “on our side.” How did he come to this conclusion? The only conceivable explanation is that during his time in power, a handful of Middle Eastern despots went through the bother of observing diplomatic niceties with American luminaries like Brent Scowcroft.

But even then, the sincerity of the despots who Scowcroft thought was “on our side” was questionable. While ostensibly “on our side,” the House of Saud was funding Maddrasses that peddled the most pernicious forms of hatred. King Hussein of Jordan certainly wasn’t “on our side” during the Gulf War. And I would love to know what contortions of logic Scowcroft uses to convince himself that Khadaffy was once “on our side” but no longer remains so.

OF COURSE, NO “REALIST” FORAY INTO foreign policy would be complete without the de rigeur “Realist” obsession with Israel. As always, Scowcroft views settling The Israel Problem as the lynchpin to Middle East peace.

Happily, Scowcroft offers some good news on that front. “Arab leaders are now keen to resolve the 50-year-old dispute,” Scowcroft giddily reports. “Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of Israel may be as well.”

Note how in the realist formulation, the Arab leaders are “keen” for peace and yet Israel is seemingly and sadly a reluctant partner in the endeavor. One can see how Scowcroft has gotten this impression. The Israeli government’s bellicose rhetoric regarding wiping the Arab world from the map has indeed been jarring. Its additional refusal to recognize the right of certain Arab countries to exist has been inappropriate. And of course, Olmert’s racist rhetoric about how Muslims are the descendants of apes and pigs doesn’t create the impression that he’s at all “keen for peace.”

Wait a minute! I’ve got it wrong. The Ohlmert government has done none of those things. Israel’s Middle Eastern malefactors, however, have.

SCOWCROFT AND HIS FELLOW “REALISTS,” as always, have it completely wrong. In truth, it’s Israel who has always been on America’s side. There’s no need for Scowcroft and his acolytes to strategize on how to return Israel to the American fold. For the past fifty years, Israel has been the only outpost of peace and democracy in the Middle East. Even with the fitful progress of Iraq, Israel remains our sole reliable ally in the region.

What’s more, throughout its 57 year history, Israel has pined for peace with its neighbors. Israel has never promised the destruction of the numerous hostiles that surround her. When Israel had the chance to march into Cairo in 1973, it chose not to. Likewise in 1973, Israel passed up the chance to destroy the Egyptian Army which only days earlier had been poised and eager to destroy Israel. Today, Israel could do the kind of damage to Palestine that the Palestinians long to do (and promise to do) to Israel. And yet Israel doesn’t.

It takes a strange kind of stubbornness to survey this landscape and conclude that Israel is the greatest obstacle to peace. James Baker once allegedly said, “F**k the Jews.” While Baker has vehemently denied ever making the comment, whether or not he said it is academic. Either through animus or obtuseness, Baker, Scowcroft and the other Deans of the Realist School have determined that Israel is the root of all the problems in the Middle East.

How they arrived there isn’t worthy of debate. What is important is that as a class they remain ignored and discredited intellectual outcasts. That’s one honor that they’ve definitely earned.

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Dean Barnett blogs almost daily at HughHewitt.com. He has also been a frequent contributor to the Weekly Standard's online edition, The Daily Standard. He can be reached for comment at soxblog@aol.com.

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If just once
Israel did as it was capable of and destroyed those who threaten it, the silence in the "Arab Street" would be resounding. It was only in 73 as this article points out when Israel held in its hands the ability to destroy both the Egyptian Army and march into the streets of Cairo that Sadat came to the realization that a "peace" with Israel was certainly better than the bloodletting that occurred 4 times in the 25 years between 1948 and 1973. Sadat did a courageous thing going to Camp David and paid with his life, but look at Egypt when compared to those who remained hostile. Maybe if Israel was allowed to defend itself as any other nation is, the Syrians and Palestinians would recognize the truth that had to be beaten into the Egyptians heads and legitimately look for peace. Maybe without the puppet Syria, Iran would begin to feel truly isolated. Realism is that sometimes it takes a stick for a message to sink in.

Why is Israel evil for just existing
Think about this...An ethnic homeland was created from a British colony in the 1940's where there had not been a separate nation for generations. This nation has fought 3 wars over border issues and ethnic issues since then and has been a source of regional strife for nearly 60 years. The nation I am talking about is of course Pakistan, part of India since before the British arrived, yet given a separate nation when the British left. Yet no one in their right mind questions whether Pakistan ought to exist, nor Bangladesh, which was created even later (in 1971 if I am not mistaken). The reality is, that Israel now exists, whether it was right or wrong for them to in the beginning (that is a whole separate arguement), and Israel has existed for generations now. If the Palestineans had chosen to become Israeli citizens (as was offered to them) or been allowed to integrate into Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, or Syria instead of languishing in camps because of the actions of those governments, there would be peace. Has Israel ever threatened to throw Iraq into the sea? Have they ever called for the annihilation of Damascus? They exist. And the "realists" in our government and Europe, as well as the Arab nations, need to accept it and get on with life. Their success or failure does not have anything to do with Isreal

Israel is a Pretext
not a cause for Middle Eastern trouble. The Israelis know that the Arabs are not going anywhere. No thanks to Europe's endless syncophancy for the sake of oil, the Arabs still think if they hold out just a leeeetle bit longer, they and Allah will drive the Jews into the sea.

If Israel disappeared tomorrow, the Arabs would next start kvetching about Spain----the point is to have a pretext--something you can blame but can't do all that much against. Arab unity, to far too many ways of thinking, depends on a common enemy. If Israel didn't exist, it would have to be invented.

Yes! He has returned!
The Mahdi?..... no.

Its tana 'DA JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS' bear! *wocka wocka wocka*

Disgusting. right up there with raidencraig.

tanabear,
You have some documented evidence for that charge concerning the planned execution of the 1000 Egyptians? This is the first I've heard of this.

My readings indicate that Israel repeatedly warned the Liberty, the most sophiticated electronic surveillance ship of its kind at the time, to leave the area after Israel determined it was relaying Israeli radio transmissions to Arab entities through the British listening post on Cyprus, before it attacked it.

Additionally, the reason it was never investigated by US intelligence is that this little bit of information would have had to have been made public.

Correct me if I'm wrong.


an enlightened mideast?
Dean Barnett is throwing a temper tantrum over the fact that the noble neocon "experiment" of democracy in Iraq seems to have hit a sectarian brick wall.

And so he lashes out in anger at those dreaded "realists", you know, the ones who cling to the archaic notion that we should jeopardize the lives of our finest men and women in combat only when our security is threatened, rather than on political experiments and "democracy crusades".

But Barnett's anger is misplaced. It was not the realists who duped this president into launching a war which created a process whereby Iraqis elected a government that's hopelessly riddled with religious extremists and sectarianism.

It was not the policy of the realists that inserted our troops into this cauldron of ancient tribal, sectarian and religious warfare.

Barnett ridicules Scowcroft's contention that the Middle East was once "on our side".

So I guess Barnett rejects the jaded "status-quo" realism in favor of policies of liberality and reform in the mideast.

Let's see. Jimmy Carter's "progressive" policies in the mideast included withdrawing support from the authoritarian Shah. Carter's "reform" of the area resulted in the radical Islamist government of Ayatollah Khomeini, who even today is still almost as popular as Bin Laden within the muslim world.

Similarly, this administration's attempt to reform the mideast has resulted in a Shia-based government elected by the Iraqi people, closely aligned with Iran, supportive of Hezbollah, and which refuses to defang the militias.

Our invasion's aftermath has reenergized the Sunni-Shia rife throughout the muslim world.

I am not going to get into the issue of Israel.

I will say that efforts to "democratize" the mideast in hopes of reducing the hatred muslims hold for Israel, is fraught with great peril and danger.

Elections in the muslim world would depose moderate leaders such as Musharraf and Mubarak, and bring to power radical Islamists sympathetic to Al Qaeda.

Recent elections in the Palestinian territory, Egypt, and Lebanon have led to victories for Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood, and Hezbollah.

If there is to be a process of enlightenment within the muslim world, it must issue forth from muslims.

Realists always want you to quit
I have been beset by "realists" all my life, every one of them advising me "why don't you give up?"

I would never have accomplished anything that I have accomplished if I'd listened to all the people who said that "Realistically speaking, you dont' have a chance of success." Realists so called never have any advice for you on how you can make your ideas and dreams work -- only about how you can cut your losses if you quit now.

These days "realists" are telling me I can't possibly absorb a $500 per month increase in rental to get into a comfortable American-style apartment building AND keep up my motorsport journalist career. These are the same people who told me that "realistically speaking" I couldn't expect to have a motorsport gig at all (I'm old, I'm a "girl", I'm nervous about making telephone calls, I'm not 'cute' or 'perky', 'girls' don't belong in media...) and then that I 'realistically' couldn't expect to rebuild the company after a mentally ill employee nearly destroyed our credibility...not to mention those who told me once I graduated from universeity without a husband that 'realistically' my life was now over and the best I could hope for would be a bitterly unhappy, lonely twilight (at the age of 22!) as a typist in a dim back room, living with my parents until I finally faded sadly away...

I have founded my pleasant, exciting, continually striving up the slope life on taking in everything the 'realists' tell me and turning it upside down. I wish the Israelis would do the same. Just listen to everything these people tell you, "Strike that -- reverse it --" and proceed.

You will have a successful, happy victory and you will poke sharp sticks in the eyes of all the realists. Which outcome will be more satisfying, I could tell you but try it and see for yourself.

"Realists" are not interested in your welfare. They are interested in seeing you fail because you're doing something different from what they would do. Just keep that in mind.

Neocons...
...the more Tanabear rants about neocons(like every day),the more I like them.We need more of them!

wil, tanabear
wil; You are quite correct. Bangladesh was created in 1971, when the people of what was then known as East Pakistan revolted against their government- in what was then called West Pakistan. Only a group of professional diplomatists (such as those who "negotiated" the partition of the Indian Subcontinent in 1948-49) could believe that two regions, with nothing in common save that the majority in each held the same religious beliefs, could equal a single country. Interestingly enough, the two men who were most opposed to the plan were frequently called "sabre-rattling warmongers" in the press of the day; Sir Winston Churchill, Britain's great wartime Prime Minister, and Lord Louis Mountbatten (Viscount Mountbatten of Burma), the "Last Viceroy" of British India.

tanabear; It might interest you to know that the policies of the Carter, Reagan, and first Bush administrations that you find so reprehensible (on which we agree) were promulgated by none other than James Baker III, Brent Scowcroft, and (under Carter) Lee Hamilton. Or IOW, the same lot of "the usual suspects" (as Claude Rains might put it) who have been trying to remake the Mideast into something they like for the last going on four decades are at it again. In fact, they're recycling the same "solutions" they tried to use thirty-plus years ago. They failed then, and were largely responsible for the present mess. And even then, their "ultimate answer" was the same as it is now; erase Israel from the map, and help the Arabs unite under a single warlord we can deal with for oil. (BTW, weren't you one of those insisting we decrease our dependence on Mideast oil, not increase it?)
As for the Arab states being our friends prior to the existence of Israel, Israel didn't exist when the Arab states fought against the Allies in the first two World Wars. The Arab League's alliance with the British vs. the Turks in 1916-18 was purely one of convenience, never mind anything in a Peter O'Toole movie. (The Arab League were a group of tribal leaders who wanted British help in overthrowing their Turkish-installed overlords.) The various Arab states sided with the Axis in World War Two, as well, in the belief that the Axis would liberate them from British and French colonial rule. And BTW, it was during this period that the then-German leaning government of Persia officially changed the name of the country to Iran- which means "Land of the Aryans" in Farsi. They were opposed by a man named Reza Pahlavi- who later became the Shah after his democratic movement overthrew the Axis-sympathetic (and after 1945, Soviet-leaning) government in 1954. With, admittedly, help from the United States. Who, BTW, urged him to exile the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khoomeini, as opposed to simply trying him for treason and executing him (for attempting to assassinate members of the National Congress in 1956).

That was "realpolitik", too, you know.

cheers

eon

Where did these realists come from?
And how can we relegate them to the "ash heap of history."

I have a theory that Skowcroft, Baker, etc. adopted the time honored custom of smoking a hookah on one of their many fact-finding trips to the ME. That would explain their goofy preceptions. Peace and love, man.

Bipsy Quee
I am no fan of the Israeli attack on the Liberty, being myself a civilian on a US ship with a similar mission. My info is that the very presence of the Liberty was a communications screw up and that by the time of the attack every one in the Navy except the Liberty knew it. Nontheless this does not excuse the Israelis from this attack or from spying provocations. Its crazy to give foreign aid to Israel, Egypt and Jordan. They, like us, have no friends, only interests. If their interests align with ours, they will be with us. If not, no amount of aid will buy them.

Look at the world today:
Is the ME more peaceful since the Neocons arrived?
Is Latin America more friendly?
Relations with Russia better?
N. Korea more peaceful?
Virtually everything this administration and its 'neocons' have touched has gone to hell in a handbasket.
Other than Libya I can't think of one success story with regard to Bush's foreign policy.
I'll be glad when this group is relegated to the history books.

Israel is a problem but not THE problem
Israel is A problem but not THE problem or at least not for the reasons most have been led to believe. Israel now controls what Middle Eastern Muslims consider to be traditional Islamic Lands. Worse the Israelis in Jerusalem now control one of the Holiest place in all of Islam after Mecca and Medina. Muslims. at least in Iran, are quite willing to nuke Israel thereby killing resident Muslims and contaminating their holy sites in Jerusalem. This is not some lame brained neocon concept but what the leaders of the Shia and Shiite Islamofascists have told us in their own words.

THE problem is the Islamist movement, the modern conservative, return the Caliphate, put the world under Sharia Law Muslims. While Islam is over a thousand years old, the modren Islamist movement began a hundred years ago now. Their lexicon supporting and defending their concepts,their motivations and present terrorist actions pre-date the founding of the present State of Israel by forty years at least. What did Algeria have to do with the formation of Israel?

The Islamist movement does not like what they see is the corruption of Islam in the modern world. They believe, in their minds they know, that the West, especially the USA, is responsible for that corruption. [Of course this fits in with the political Left in the USA who believe all the problems in the world are caused by America.]

Again what remains amazing paradoxical to me is that the progressives, liberals and left in the West promote as social policy all the activities that Islamists believe are corrupting not only the Islamic world but the world itself. Everyone should take the time to read Sayyid Qutb's writings or the latest edition of The Voices of Terror edited by Walter Laqueur. One will find both enlightening as well as really, really scary.

Of course they're worse, Greg
When the "high moral" policies of Jimmah Carter and "kick the can down the road" BJ Clinton were allowed to fester or come to fruition, ADULTS finally had to step in and correct them. Painful process, even messy, but infinitely better than the dead end road we were headed down and a direct cause of the rise of Islamofacists and an insane, midget moron running N. Korea.

When your children come home after a week or two being spoiled rotten and indulged by Gramma, it takes a while to re-train them.

Jihad is all local
The most clarifying observation about the global Islamic jihad is the one likening it to "all politics", it is all local. In the Middle East, it's the Jews. In America, it's racial/ethnic intolerance and every far left hobby horse. In Europe, they are reclaiming land taken away by the Crusaders. In Asia, it's something else. The "realists" are just allowing the enemy to frame the argument so that our domestic enemies can fight much of the battle for them on our turf. Another reason why conservatives have to "bring the pain" to the 2008 election. We can't afford losing with McCain, Guiliani or even Romney if he turns out to be GOP establishment.

Roadmaster:
The "Idealist" notion that we can export democracy is ridiculous. It didn't work in Vietnam and it's not working in Afghanistan or Iraq. I don't think it's even necessarily a good thing. Mubarak's Egypt is not a real democracy, but they've been a reasonably good ally. Pakistan, same thing.

Sorry, but I'll take realists anyday.

Question of Perception
Did the article contain anything of a positive nature? Did the author say anything at all that one of opposing positions might actually agree with? Is it possible to view this without being condescending?

No, I suspect not. Hmmmm?

It's interesting to observe the desire to focus only on that which is negative and surmounts evidence to an otherwise bleak outlook toward life, then having the educational fortitude to find that which might be useful in perpetuating a grander model of winning elections, or dare I say it, furthering the advance of all mankind is some small way.

With the constant rhetoric on both sides accusing the other of negative, negative, negative publicity, you would think that someone would eventually get the message, “I think we’re all just being negative and not even looking for anything worth noting or utilizing in furthering our cause”.

That seems awfully stupid now, doesn’t it?

Apologies, was that negative.

That seems awfully short sighted, could we have another look at that article to find something useful for ourselves. By golly we can trash the parts we don’t want or feel necessary. There must be something of the sort that seems appropriate even if we didn’t say it.

You’re right, it was more words for the positive statement, which mean more effort – yes, I see why it’s more effortless to focus on the negative – it’s easier. And I might add, lazier.

Root of Mid East turmoil
Israel is the root of the problem?

Preposterous! Everyone knows it's America!

What is wrong with you people?

Gregdn
Again, blaming conservative policy didn't get us the f***-ups in North Korea.
Bill Clinton's policy of appeasement gave them nukes, how is more appeasement going to make it better? China is the only thing stopping NK from moving forward with waht Clinton gave them.

Russia was on it's way to becoming a capitalistic society and free. Putin is turning it backwards,ie(killing reporters,poisoning spies and lying about it...)- so perhaps the wall going down wasn't enough.. How can that be either 41 or 43's fault?

Vietnam-It may mot have been great then-now, have you checked back? In 93 my husband traveled there...not too much growth. In 2004, all kinds of good things are going on. It may not be a direct result of what went on, but get your head out of the sand. These people can make their own way and it isn't at a pittance anymore. It has nothing do do with Bush at all.


embarrassing
What a joke. This piece sounds like it was written by a high school Rush Limbaugh fanatic. Allowing a piece of trash like this to be published under its name is further proof that this website is going right down the sh*t-hole.

Here's to finding new Republican leadership, and finding it fast.

tanabear-it
"I suppose the Ayatollah Khomeini and the Islamic Fundamentalism emerging from Iran was enemy number 1 then"

Does the number 444 ring a bell? That is the number of days our number (two) enemy held American hostages.

Selective history will not banish your demons.

Dateline 2027
Either:

. . . establishment of the strong middle class throughout former third world countries in the Middle East and Africa is directly attributed to US persistence in providing military presence and security against radical terrorist’s elements early in this century. This persistence allowed supported governments to control their national territory, focus on economic growth, and gain citizen confidence in the rule of law. The results have been startling economic growth and stability during the past several years.

Or:

. . . the US congress debated the Presidents invasion plans following the most recent devastating attacks believed to have been planned by radical islamists who have reformed and quietly trained terrorists somewhere in the Middle East, Afghanistan, Pakistan, or North East African countries abandoned by the US military and other Western governments beginning with withdrawal from Iraq in 2008.

The two above scenarios are plausible. Is there middle ground, sure, with a weaker military response change the dateline to 2057?


Makoshark
Yes, Israelis control the third most holy location for Islam. They also control the most holy sites of Christianity. So what? Christians don't seem to be intent on driving Israel into the sea. Perhaps it is more the barbarous Islamic fanatics that are the problem, and not who is in possession of holy sites? Otherwise, explain why Christians aren't blowing themselves up in Israel.

to balance out tannabear
I know it will be dismissed as neo-con/zionist propaganda, but here is a non-conspiracy-theory presentation of the USS Liberty incident:

http://www.adl.org/Israel/uss.asp

And another one
http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/liberty.html

But we all know those neo-con Joooooos in the NSA mocked up this lie as well... right.

Bad link
It appears the NSA link is no longer good. Sorry for the bad info.

tanabear,
What are the arguments for connecting the two events?

Assuming the account of the POW deaths is accurate.

Geting back to the article
The realists time is up...time to go and to let other voices heard. Baker and Hamilton's co-called study report was a flop. And Scrowcroft's declaration about Isreal is laughable in that he thinks the Arabs are ready to solve the 50 year old dispute over Israel. What is his proof? And when did most of the arabs cease wanting and working for the Israeli nation to be wiped off the earth?

tanabear
Only one of the quotes can be connected directly to that scenario, that of Dr. Toradella, but only if he uttered the phrase in parentheses, "where the massacres were taking place" or the quote is taken from such a context.

The other quotes are inconclusive and could equally as well apply to the scenario I was given and plausibly support it.

Do you have any confirming reports of the alleged massacre?

P.S. Your answer to my question is circular logic and not an argument connecting the two.

("How do we know they attacked the ship in order to cover up an atrocity?"

"Because if they didn't want to cover it up they wouldn't have attacked the ship."

See what I mean?)

There is no argument that the attack occurred. What we are trying to determine is if it was connected to an alleged incident involving either Israeli or American wrongdoing or was it simply a wartime mistake.




Fascinating bit of history
I find this USS Liberty incident particularly interesting. I worked as a cryptology technician (CTM) in the Navy for six years. Although we heard plenty about the USS Pueblo incident, and the John Walker spy case, I don’t recall ever hearing antone speak about this USS Liberty attack while I was active duty, even in our Navy history training. That seems strange since almost every casualty on board was a cryptology technician, and the CT community is a pretty close-knit group.

Liberty
I was a CTI during my six years in the Navy, (96-02)and there is much enmity in the community for Israel from the Liberty incident. Since I was born in 71, all I have is to read the written records of the incident and the writings of the people who were there and/or who held responsibility. I read many sources, and though there is much that appears damning, I cannot get past one thing. I cannot see any logical or coherent region for Israel to intentionally attack what amounted to its only reliable ally at the time, an ally who was the only thing standing between an open Soviet war with Israel. But even if they did, there is a fundemental truth at work here: Our foreign policy central goal in 1967 was containment of the Soviets, and this included sometimes supporting people or nations who were horrible just like we supported the Soviets in the 40's to beat the Nazis. Now, in a different era, our foreign policy must emphasize delegitimizing Islamic fascism. Our true enemy in this are Islamic fascists, and even if Israel were to cease to exist tomorrow, they would still be our enemy. Even if the US ceased to exist, the Islamic extremists of both Shi'ite and Sunni variety would be angry that the rest of the world did not subscribe to Sharia law and continue in their aggression. And even if the whole world caved in and accepted Sharia law, the two factions would fight each other. This struggle cannot end until we beat the Islamists bad enough that they abandon their quest just like the Japanese did after the destruction of WW2.

Bullwinkle
most of where I heard anger towards Israel about the Liberty was at language school. People in the field were more focused on the present in my experience.

unrealistic
I have a solution to the Israel / Arab problem - Arabs should stop attacking Israel. Problem solved. Now can Baker and the realists please wave a magic wand and make it happen? Only in a fantasy world will Arabs stop attacking Israel.

After a long history of tit-for-tat violence, Israel took the moral high ground, gave back territory, and established itself as the bigger, more tolerant, power desperately seeking peace. In response, Arabs have used the vacated ground to attack Israel on a daily basis.

These so-called realists are living in a pipe dream.

http://freedomistheanswer.blogspot.com/

Missing Puzzle Pieces...
These recent works of Baker and Scowcroft are like missing pieces of a puzzle. One day someone is going to fit the pieces where they belong and its going to tell a tragic story. I think it will tell us that we should have not only allowed Israel but encouraged them to decisively defeat their enemies. Had Baker and crew step'd out of the way Israel would have quickly taken care of business and we would not have such a mess today. I believe history will not be kind to Baker and crew. They should've (and should still) remain quiet. I hope some hot shot historian tackles this subject. It'd make a great book. DD
http://streetlevel.townhall.com

Wil
Hey, Wil

I got out of the Navy in 1995. Best time I ever had, looking back on it. Being an "M" brancher we were mostly gadget geeks and weren't into the real spook stuff like you guys. Maybe I wasn't paying attention, but I just can't recall of ever hearing about the USS Liberty incident.

Have you ever been to this site:

http://www.navycthistory.com/index.html

I've reconnected with some of my old Navy buddies through there.

Raidencraig
To answer your question: Why is Israel our only ally in the Middle East? Maybe because Carter let Shiite lunatics throw our other ally out of Iran and establish a nice, hostile theocracy there.

A great article, which puts
the so-called realists in their proper place. Way back in the day, they were (unlike Reagan) willing to accommodate Soviet totalitarianism. On their watch Cuba invaded Angola and the Soviets vastly expanded their nuclear forces, despite all those finely honed arms agreements the realists signed with Brezhnev. On RR’s watch, the Soviet Empire collapsed when he confronted them with a spiritually revived, militarily reconstructed, and morally self-confidant America. The realists have been trying to say “Yeah, but” ever since. They apparently learned nothing from comparing and contrasting RR’s approach with their own. Too much arrogance and pride, I suspect, for that. Now they want to convince us to be realistic and accommodate Islamic fascism. They are nothing if not consistent. While they should have stayed out in the pasture where they belong, we have GW Bush to blame for the fact they are ‘front and center’ once again. He’s constantly running back to his Daddy's bench for substitute players because he lacks the self confidence and bloody mindedness of RR.

Stopped reading at first factual error
"Saddam was not on our side" Au contraire my friend. How soon we forget. Do I have to go to google images to show you the pictures of Dick Cheeny shaking hands with Saddam? How soon we forget.
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