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Friday, January 12, 2007
David Strom :: Townhall.com Columnist
One War, Two Perspectives
by David Strom
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For some time it has seemed to me that the most important distinction determining how people view the conflict in Iraq is based upon different conceptions of what exactly the war is about.

One group looks at the war as being primarily about who rules Iraq. We went to war to evict Saddam Hussein, we stayed in Iraq primarily to replace Hussein with a friendly Democratic regime, and should stay or go largely based upon the probability of success and a judgment about how much we are or should be willing to pay in lives and treasure for that outcome.

The other group looks at the war in Iraq as not being primarily about who rules Iraq, but instead as the primary battlefront in the so-called “war on terror,” or as I would prefer to call it the war on Islamic fascism. In this view, successfully replacing Saddam Hussein’s tyrannical regime with a Western-leaning Democracy would be a huge blow to Islamic fascist movement, but ultimately winning the “war” in Iraq should rightly be seen as an important step in winning the larger conflict, not as an end in itself.

Obviously if the first view is correct and the current fighting and dying in Iraq is simply about installing the kind of regime we want to see in Iraq, Americans are right to be asking the Bush Administration about just how costly achieving this goal will be, and just how likely are we to achieve it. After all, the American government exists primarily to defend Americans and their interests, and it is not unreasonable for most citizens to have a limit to their tolerance of our leaders pursuing costly altruistic goals with limited chances of success.

Obviously, most of the calls for withdrawal from Iraq come from people in this camp, who argue that the goal Bush has set is difficult or impossible to achieve, the costs are too high, and the consequences of failure are limited. So what if Iraq is ruled by a tyrant? As long as we can contain him, what business is it of ours? It is reasoning such as this that led to our withdrawal from Vietnam, and whatever you think of the results, it is clear that Vietnam never presented an existential threat to the United States.

However, if you begin with the premise that Iraq is simply the most important front in a global war between fundamentally incompatible worlds, the world governed as liberal democracies and the expansionist world governed by Islamic fascists, the equation changes quite a bit.

If Iraq is simply the current battleground between two types of societies that cannot but clash, then the issue isn’t whether we will be at war or not, but where the fighting will take place. In other words, Americans do not really have the power to choose war or peace with Islamic fascism; the war has been declared and is going on as we speak. Choosing to leave Iraq will only change where the war is fought, not whether there will be fighting.

There is ample evidence that this view is much closer to reality than the first. Whatever motivates the individual militias we are fighting in Iraq, it is clear that the fighting persists at this level because Iran and Syria see the war in Iraq as an opportunity to strike a blow to the Great Satan. In fact, Iran’s support for militias—on both sides of the fighting in Iraq—is part of a larger strategy to undermine Western Societies and Western power that includes the pursuit of nuclear weapons, the training and export of terrorists, and the fomenting of religious violence all around the world.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been very clear about his desires and intentions regarding this larger world conflict. There is, in fact, no ambiguity at all about his desire to wipe Israel off the map of the Middle East, and few serious people would doubt his willingness to use nuclear weapons to do so when the opportunity arises. Iran’s pursuit of advanced missile technology adds a new dimension to the threat—both Europe and eventually the United States will have to deal with a genuine nuclear threat from Iran, either using these weapons as bombs or as EMP devices.

And Ahmadinejad’s antipathy to the West is not, on its own terms, irrational. The Islamic fascist view of the ideal society is in fact incompatible with the existence of Western Liberal democracies. As long as the BBC, Sky TV, and Hollywood keep pumping out news and entertainment that tempts young and impressionable Muslims down the path to hell, Iran’s leaders (and all those dedicated to a robust religiously ruled Islamic State, including Al Qaeda) will dedicate themselves to destroying liberal societies.

If the war in Iraq is primarily the current battlefront in a larger war, the costs of leaving the battlefield are potentially huge. As seemingly costly as this war has been, by any historical standard the costs have been quite modest. Further, by fighting the war in Iraq, the United States has taken to war to a battlefield upon which our enemies cannot afford to lose. Iran, Syria, and in fact all the most radical elements throughout the Middle East could not easily tolerate or even survive the existence of a free, prosperous, and Democratic Iraq in their midst. As long as we are concentrating our forces in Iraq and seem likely to continue the fight, our enemies will throw everything they have at us there—lowering the chances of successful strikes against our vital interests and territory elsewhere.

If the West chooses to abandon the fight in Iraq, not only will that country fall to our Islamic Fascist enemies, but we will be freeing up the enormous resources they are expending to defeat us there. Resources that can be turned against us here at home or in Europe. And instead of having US forces stationed on the border of Iran and Syria, ready to menace them if necessary, we will have reduced our military threat to them without reducing the cultural threat they need to eliminate. It would be a huge victory for them in their war against us.

Given all this—if you accept the assumption that the war between the West and Islamic fascism is inescapable—leaving Iraq would be irrational. Our total casualties in 3 years of war there are substantially less than we suffered in the battle of Okinawa (12,000 dead in less than 3 months).

The Iraq war, when viewed discretely, may appear to have the United States as paying a very high price for a goal that frankly is nice—democracy in Iraq—but not vital to our interests. But if you view the war as part of a larger conflict, then the costs are put into a very different perspective. Indeed, if you believe that Islamic fascism is an existential threat to liberal democracy, and vice versa, tying up the enemies’ forces in Iraq for years looks like a pretty good bargain.

So which view is right? We may never know if Bush succeeds in continuing the battle in Iraq, either succeeding in establishing a democracy or at least tying up the enemies’ forces for years. Alternatively, we may find out if those who want to pull out get their wish: if the conflict in Iraq is simply about who rules that country, then our retreat will hurt our prestige but not endanger the country; if Iraq is simply one front in a greater war, we may soon be wishing that we had “surged” those troops years before, instead of pulling them out.

The new front in the war, then, would be here.

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Our allies the Saudis
Revised Saudi textbook still demonize non-Wahhabi Muslims and other "Unbelievers"
Freedom House, May 23, 2006

Over a year ago, Saudi embassy spokesman Adel al-Jubeir stated: “We have reviewed our educational curriculums. We have removed materials that are inciteful or intolerant towards people of other faiths." The new Saudi ambassador to the United States, Prince Turki al-Faisal, while on a nation-wide speaking tour earlier this year, asserted: “We eliminated what might be perceived as intolerance from old textbooks that were in our system.”

However, the report shows that these textbooks:

* Condemn and denigrate the majority of Sunni Muslims who do not follow the Wahhabi understanding of Islam, and call them deviants and descendants of polytheists.

* Condemn and denigrate Shiite and Sufi Muslims’ beliefs and practices as heretical and call them “polytheists;”

* Command Muslims to “hate” Christians, Jews, “polytheists” and other “unbelievers,” including non-Wahhabi Muslims, though, incongruously, not to treat them “unjustly”;

* Teach the infamous forgeries, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, as historical fact;

* Teach other conspiracy theories accusing Freemasons, Lions Clubs and Rotary Clubs of plotting to undermine Muslims;

http://freedomhouse.org/religion/news/bn2005/bn-2005-2006-05-23.htm

What business is it of yours?

As a Saudi citizen studying in the US for my degree, I can tell you that what you said was found in the report is false, as I have studied through the religious textbooks you say, and it says nothing in condemning fellow Sunnis, but it does call the Shia heretics, which they are, and now their heresy is there for the entire muslim world to see and now they all know that it is a deviant cult that was created by Abdullah Bin Saba'a ( who was a jew who acted as a muslim but hid his jewry during the time of the prophet peace be upon him ) and what if we call Christians polythiests, they pray to statues and to a cross that our prophet Jesus peace be upon was crucified upon, which is absolutely false, and then we have those who have killed multitudes of prophets, The Jews, and yet here is one of their number again, 1400 years ago when he formed this filthy cult that promotes adultery and pilaging that is called Shia. Just so you know, the entire Arab world knows that you are trying to prop up Iran in place of all the Arab countries and wish for it to form its fallen Sassanid empire, and by helping the Shia led government in Iraq, this has aided their view, let it be known that if you wish to intervene in the same manner in Saudi Arabia, that you shall not succeed, because the Shia heretics account for only 10% of a population of 22 million and they know that any attempt to support seccesion will be met with brutal and swift response, so dont go filling their heads with wonderful dreams of them being united with their heretic brethren of southern Iraq. This is a Sunni land has always been a Sunni land and shall now and forever be a Sunni land, and god willing there shall never be a church, synagogue or Hussainiyah ( Shia house of worship ) that shall be built on, EVER. God have mercy on our King and on our righteous country.

Saudi Arabia Our Allies

The Saudis have moderated their text books and have review and retrained Imams to more moderate teachings and tolerance. Young Saudi's educated in the United States and other western cultures are wise and tolerant but have not yet entered the top positions of leadership.

It took the citizens of the United States more than 100 years to change their attitude about slavery.

Note:

The Civil War ended in 1865 with victory for abolishing slavery.

The Civil Rights movement started in the early 1960's. Integrated schools, the heart of the movement required proper education of the children who then became the nations leaders of today. Slavery and the cultural negatives associated with it were therefor largely eliminated after 130 years.

Why do Americans expect Moderate Muslims to be able to fix the radical islamic problems in their midst in a few months? The cultural changes which can bring peace between the Middle East and Western Communities are underway. The future lies with moderate educated youth of today and the all important education of todays children. Both sides require attitude adjustments.

The Iraq conflict is not about who leads Iraq, it is a broader battle on fundamentals, tolerance, freedom, and human rights. If the US abruptly withdraws from Iraq the important cultural changes now underway will stop and possibly reverse. If this happens the war against radical islam will continue in other areas and the US will return to the Iraq war at a future time.

STOP THE ANTIWAR RHETORIC - IT DAMAGES THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA


Proud of American Heritage

America has not historically used war to expand its land holdings or to dominate other cultures.

Japan and Germany both mortal enemies of the United States during the second world war are TODAY independent world economic powers and, (if you forget Japan's interest in baseball), have retained their individual cultures even though they were both defeated by the United States.

America, learns the language of its enemies, studies enemy cutltures, understands the economic drive resources and potential of its enemies, and then helps them achieve a better way of life. Politically stopped conflicts have seen less favorable results for US enemies.

The American Soldier is a hero. It always amazes me how children without guile are attracted to the American Soldier.

If Liberals would stop the anti war rhetoric, and if the MSM would report on the positive results of the War on Terror in general and the War in Iraq specifically, with a view toward bringing the cultures closer togeather, the result could turn to the same positive results America has enjoyed in the past.

History will not be kind to the anti war movement started in the 1960's and now raising its ugly head again. That movement has contaminated US politics, the media, academmics, the US image in the world, etc. No positive effects have resulted from the US anti war movement started by the Boomers in the 60's and hopefully, entering its death throes today.

STOP THE ANTI WAR RHETORIC - IT DAMAGES THE UNITES STATES OF AMERICA



Safavid_killer

There are mosques and korans all over America.
How many churchs and Bibles are there in Saudi
Arabia? This may show how stupid we are in America, but it also shows how much we love
freedom. While you are in our country obtaining
the education you can't get in your own, look
around and try to absorb some freedom loving
ways.

safavid-killer
Your "religion" is an abomination.

the cartoon riots of last winter.

riots against Pope Benedict XVI for stating some rather obvious truths

9/11

sunni and shia have been killing each other (in the name of allah) for 1300 years or so and show NO inclination of letting up - allah demands it.

your 'holy' men go on tv and incite children to martyrdom

your absolute intolerance of other faiths.

and that's just a starter

If this is such a horrible place how is it that you can't get a degree back home?

please leave

Safavid Killer
In preparation for winter, every American home should have barn full of Korans and a wood burning stove. Get my point?

Mind you

I am only here to get my masters degree, I'll be

gone in less than a year, and to the person who

said Saudis studying here more liberal and

understanding, this is because they are told at

home to be cautious and not speaking about

anything remotely political or criticising the

US/Israeli occupying governments because as Saudi

citizens they will be especially targeted, take

it from me, as I know alot of them here and some

have told me they are harassed daily by police

and given bad looks by alot of people, and they

havent yet done anything, so imagine if they

vented their chests and said what they really

want to say. Being a liberal Saudi is meaning to

have no problem drinking alcohol, skipping your

prayers and have your wife/sister wear clothes

that are of the immodest type, thats a liberal

muslim, meaning one who is just so in name ALONE.

And to the person who said he wishes I learn

about the " freedom loving ways ", I'm here in

your country and have behaved myself flawless

and abided by the rules, you cant expect me to

do anything more, fill up your churches here and

then start educating me about why we dont have

churches in Saudi Arabia, thanks be Allah, most

gracious, most merciful, our mosques are full

and shall long continue to be so, because

instilling faith and conviction starts at home,

with the parents, you have good parents, you

shall be a good person, no mistake about that.
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