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Sunday, March 16, 2008
David R. Stokes :: Townhall.com Columnist
Can't We All Just NOT Get Along?
by David R. Stokes
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Geraldine Ferraro’s impolitic commentary regarding Barack Obama has been widely covered and discussed.  But in the rush to examine the really juicy part of her monologue, you know – the stuff about race – something else the 72 year old former congresswoman said is being lost.  

Toward the end of her recent, now infamous, interview, one that has apparently cost her that highly coveted role of “Honorary New York Leadership Council Chair”, the woman who broke political ice twenty-four years ago as the Democratic nominee for Vice President, talked about the big bad wolf of PARTISANSHIP. 

I’m referring to the part of Ms. Ferraro’s remarks where she challenged the notion that Mr. Obama is some kind of mythical superhero, who is going to change the rarified air inside the Capital Beltway.  Here’s what she said:

“I was reading an article that said young Republicans are out there campaigning for Obama because they believe he’s going to be able to put an end to partisanship…Anyone that has worked in the Congress knows that for over 200 years this country has had partisanship – that’s the way our country is.”

Her point is being largely overshadowed by the other stuff she said. But it’s infinitely more important because it highlights the real elephant in the room affiliated with the Obama campaign; one that doesn’t have anything to do with the color of his skin, or even the content of his character. It has to do with the extremely unrealistic hopes some people are placing on him and his candidacy.  Sadly, many are setting themselves up for a painful trip to disillusion land, because the hope is really nothing more than hype. Political business as usual is not going to change in America, no matter who is elected. 

Partisanship is here to stay.

Is partisanship a bad thing?  Would we really be better off if every American agreed with every other American about everything? Certainly, most of us grow weary of the politics of destruction and personal attack. But if there is a hunger in this country for some political messiah to come and rescue us from partisanship, then I suggest the nation get in touch with its heritage and see how beneficial constructive, and sometimes even acrimonious, debate has been for our Republic. 

When our nation was young and struggling to find its way, charting new ground, and organizing a system of government unprecedented in human history, it wasn’t without a large measure of partisanship. 

And we should all be thankful for that.

Consider the tale of two Georges.  They were friends and neighbors.  Both were founders of our country.  Both loved the young nation very much.  But they disagreed, and this dispute became so pronounced that their friendship ended.

George Washington and George Mason agreed about a lot. They were on the same page in 1776 when we were declaring our independence from the British crown.  They were comrades and patriots during the Revolutionary War. 

But after the war, and as great minds began to work in that wonderful constitutional laboratory in Philadelphia, the two Georges found themselves on opposite sides of a very important philosophical boulevard.  You see, George Mason refused to sign the new Constitution, and became an outspoken opponent during the ratification process. 

Mason was a partisan. And the nation owes him a debt of gratitude. 

While Publius and company were publishing the Federalist Papers in newspapers of the day, others (some hiding behind pseudonyms) circulated a series of loosely-organized essays and speeches known to us as the Anti-Federalist Papers. This was long before “group-think” made its way into the vernacular. The list of men contributing to this exercise in partisanship included Mr. Mason, Patrick Henry, and George Clinton.  These names are probably not as well known to Americans today as Hamilton, Madison, or Jay, but they certainly acted out of patriotism and made a real difference for individual rights.

At issue was the fact that the Constitution sent to the states for ratification in 1787 did not include a declaration of individual rights. George Mason had a passion for this issue having created the original drafts for the Virginia Declaration of Rights in 1776, and he pushed for a similar statement in the new Constitution; to no avail.

He left the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia for his home in Fairfax, Virginia, and became a PARTISAN, which is basically defined as: “a fervent, sometimes militant supporter or proponent of a party, cause, faction, person, or idea.” He agitated, criticized, and worked tirelessly AGAINST the new Constitution’s ratification.

The Constitution was ratified, and Mason lost that battle, but he continued his fierce partisanship, until the U.S. Bill of Rights was ratified on December 15, 1791.  This very good thing happened BECAUSE of partisanship.  And though George Mason and George Washington would see their friendship suffer, that sometimes intensely personal dispute gave birth to the Bill of Rights, based largely on Mason’s work on the Virginia Declaration of Rights years before. 

The late former Speaker of the House of Representatives, Sam Rayburn, used to suggest that if two people agreed on everything you could be sure that only one was doing the thinking. 

Geraldine Ferraro was right - at least about the partisanship thing – it’s naïve to think that any man, or woman, can end partisanship in America.  And, in fact, why would anyone with a brain want that?

To twist the Rodney King-ism a bit I ask: “Can’t we all just NOT get along?”  It’s actually a very good thing that we have partisanship in America.  The real danger to our way of life does not come from political partisanship, but from those who desire a society where an all-knowing, all-seeing, all-encompassing state decides what is best for the rest of us.

Partisans of the nation, Divide! We have nothing to lose but our liberty.  

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David R. Stokes is a minister, writer, and broadcaster. His weekly talks at Fair Oaks Church in Fairfax, Virginia and host of Loud on Purpose, heard Monday to Friday in Washington, D.C. on WAVA 105.1 fm.
 
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Now THIS is...
...a good column!Anyone who thinks he can or wants to get rid of partisonship is either a dolt or thinks (with good reason) that the voters are dolts.

Partisanship sans Power

Yes, partisanship is a double-edge sword. Too much results in paralysis and too little in complacency. However, Obama will succeed in ending partisanship. All he needs to do is extend a hand to the democratic majority in congress and brush off the republicans.

Partisanship without power is nothing more than rhetoric and easily ignored.

A saturday night live skit, it must be
Young republicians are campaining for barak obama, that is the funniest thing I have heard from any entertainment venue since the beginning of the primary's. I could not stop laughing thinking of someone calling themself a republican supporting the most liberal member of the senate. The only bi-partisianship I see needed now is the black amd white, male and female sections of the democratic party, During the general election I see obama pitting minorities against whites, rich & middle class against poor, pro life against pro choice, pro business against against the redistribution of wealth folks, global warming cultists against realists and so on. His time spent in the senate he has shown no signs of his bi-partisianship but now that he is running for POTUS thats all changed, I'm not buying it. When fighting for the soul of the country against socialists like obama, silence is not golden, its yellow.

partisans
If you have a real good minority you can sometimes stifle a wrong headed majority

ObaMarx
Anyone who has seen Obama's campaign posters cannot be left in doubt of his leanings: they smack of Soviet era propaganda posters.

This guy is dangerous, and not in a "shake 'em up" good way either. He's like an iceberg, lots more below than above, and none of it good. All Obama will do is set the stage for Civil War II.

He's a socialist, and attends a church that preaches racist Black, Afro-centric liberation theology. That this dude can belong to such a church for TWENTY YEARS, and refer to the pastor as his "mentor", and then say that Wright's rantings don't refect his own feelings is a load of crap.

The truth is scarce
Geraldine Ferraro’s comments were exactly on target. Obama has evidently responded to the "lack of Senate experience" comments by introducing the most aggrevious piece of legislation yet; the "Global Poverty Act". This will force the US to fund the corrupt U.N. to the tune of an ADDITIONAL $845 BILLION over the next 13 years. This could result in the U.N. mandating taxation of U.S. citizens. This bozo is a socialist/communist/Marxist of the highest order. Isn't it strange we never read this in the local fishwrap?

The needed voice Mr Stokes.
The rightness of unity seems to be axiomatic to most people. And today absolute equality seems to have joined the zeitgeist. There is this inordinate desire for sameness and disdain for difference. Xenophobia is today’s politically correct club of coercion for the elimination of difference.

Yeah sure, we have diversity today … smoke and mirrors of an external facade of difference that masks the demanded dogmatic sameness of internal ideology.

Yet difference pervades the universe, and it especially pervades human beings. Mr. Stokes is correct to examine history to put difference into perspective. If one examines the history of human atrocity one will find that it goes hand in hand with the desire for unity … which by definition must eliminate disunity. The simple historic formula has been: The elimination of disunity = human atrocity.

End to partisanship--who's giving up?
Good column, Mr. Stokes! This theme has been dealt with elsewhere, too, by other observers of the campaigns.

Obama will "unite all Americans". What does that mean? The Obamites can't tell you that, when you press them.

But if we are to "unite", it means someone has to give up his beliefs. For example, when Socialist (ie, Democrat) talks of uniting us all, he expects that we conservatives will accept big government, with its attendant spending and burdensome taxation; that we will not just tolerate but celebrate "alternative lifestyles", ie, homosexuality (but not polygamy, bestiality, et al.--for now); accept moral relativism; exchange patriotism and belief in America as a unique society for internationalism and cultural relativism; give up the pro-innocent-life stance for abortion and euthanasia. Is any of us willing to do this?

And the idea of "uniting" is un-American, too. One of the characteristics of our political system has been compromise, meaning everyone gives up something but gets something at the same time. It's not a zero-sum game.

But the Left changed that. Leftism does not agree with the founding values of this country. It is inimical to basic American principles.

So, how are we to "unite"?

Hillary delenda est.

Excellent column
I now have a new hero....George Mason. Geraldine was exactly right in her comments! If Obama wasn't black he wouldn't be where he is and if Hillery wasn't Mrs. Clinton she wouldn't be where she is! I guess you could say that if McCain hadn't been a pow he wouldn't be where he is! There isn't a decent candidate among them!

Inthenow
You are reading a very good, serious piece of philosophizing but make comments like a graduate of the American high school.
You read but do not understand. To prove my point I give you an example: voting in the first socialist country on Earth, the Soviet Union, the country of "highest democracy ever," according to the Soviet propaganda.

Here you are, at the poling place, a school. Outside and in the lobby are red posters that read: Vote for the block of Communists and the people; People and the Communist Party are the same; Under the guidance of the Communist Party - ahead to a complete victory of Communism!

You walk toward a woman holding the first letter of you last name, register and she gives you a piece of paper. Without reading you fold the paper and drop it in the Urn. Your voting is done; you are totally and completely trust the Communist Party, without any doubts.

But if you are in doubt: who is this guy I'm voting for, and you open the paper or, God forgive, you disagree with this choice, the woman who is watching you makes a note in front of your name.

You don't want that. You want to go in the corner where music is playing and a saleswoman offers standard two pounds of sausages at a low government price, as a reward.

Anyway, the next day the central and local newspapers announce that the Soviet people again demonstrated a full support of Communist Party policies by voting almost unanimously "FOR," 99.99% of them. This is, by the way, is how people still vote in Cuba and North Korea.

Is that what you want with Obama in charge? Yes or No?

Good, Sane Analysis
Not only is this the kind of good, sane analysis that I thrive on at Townhall, it's also wonderful to learn more about how our values and our nation have been shaped by history (can't wait to see John Adams on HBO tonight, btw).

Thanks for educating me, I did not know how pivotal George Mason's role was in securing our individual rights. Once again, we see that those who do not know or understand history are doomed to repeat it...and repeat it...and repeat it. Long live partisanship, and perhaps most of all...long live history students.

Geraldine only Spoke the Truth
WE DO NOT READ ENOUGH OF THE GLOBAL POVERTY ACT OR THE GREAT DEFENSE BY BARACK OF PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION IN THE SENATE OF ILLINOIS--HYPOCRITE!!! SINK THIS COUNTRY BUT LET'S SAVE THE WORLD- YOU SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST...This Global Poverty Act is Barack's major answer to his critics since NO ONE can give an honest answer to what Barack's ever really done( Hannity has proven this over and over) EXCEPT us voters in Illinois know his "claim to fame" is to defend partial birth abortion..Typical "do as I do say not say as I do... Mr.Father of two---- kinda like Al Gore- typical hypocrite Democrat- save the troops from getiing killed or hurt as take their job seriously defending this country but Obama's all for killing innoccent babies who can't speak for themselves..that's Obama's kind of hyporcrite legislation...lets save the world from poverty but let's kill the United States CAUSE EVERYTHING'S ALL OUR FAULT--WE CAUSED 9/11--THIS GUY IS SCARY--- HE WANTS CHANGE BUT HE'S ONLY LETTING YOU SEE AN INKLING OF THE KIND OF CHANGE HE'S FOR.....HE AND HIS WIFE ARE VERY SCARY--

Partisanship on TH
Does Stokes keep up with townhall.com? I have four notebooks full of TH posts (names and dates on request) suggesting that registered Democratic voters and elected Democratic office-holders be rounded up at night, incarcerated behind barbed wire, interrogated, and then either bayoneted, shot in the head, gassed, or set to forced labor in munitions plants. Meanwhile GOP stars have advocated the destruction of the Democratic Party after which we will have one-party (GOP) rule forever.

Stokes, we NEED partisanship. For some, it's an outlet. Without it, the sadists among us will be reduced to setting fire to their cats.

Winston829
Forgive me, but I have no clue what your trying say…honestly.

The point of my previous abbreviated post, in relation to the article, was to illustrate that partisanship in the construct of a minority, is inconsequential to a congress and executive branch dominated by a single party.

Your comments would probably be better served on someone more intellectual. As you’ve already noted, I’m a pretty simple guy.

Limbaugh
The MSM will not hold Obama to the fire,but Limbaugh,Beck and Hannity sure will.You willnotice that they and the libs will say what about Bob Jones university,Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.

@lilly
lilly, I sincerely hope you don't really have FOUR notebooks of the kinds of posts you mention, but I can see where you're coming from since I just posted the following statement on a different article:

"all this uncivil trash talk [in my case, regarding my candidate John McCain] just makes the writers' childish behavior completely unappealing to people who prefer to have civil discourse instead of the smack which can be found any time on Daily Kos and HuffPo. I expect better from Townhall. I expect to read opinions by grownups who can articulate their thoughts without being childish, boorish, rude and impolitic."

Umm - it sounds like my expectations are extremely unrealistic! :-|

one has to wonder
Has Lilly also collected the hateful, "murderous" comments of lefties here on Townhall. Half the reason many libs come here is to try to shut up conservatives. Nothing would make many of them happier than to see Townhall gone because the columnists present a counterbalance to all of the liberal media.

I do not excuse those who make inane posts about either side. Collecting such and taking them so seriously is a bit of a sign of an OCD personality it would seem.

craftyone
If Obama where white, you think he'd be just some senator or a shoe shine boy?

@Dottie
Dottie, I have no idea why anyone would collect Townhall posts but regardless of what's driving her, I have to hand it to lilly for being a well-mannered Democrat who's willing to cross over to a Republican website and express her views in a reasonable manner. I have never seen a post of hers in which she wished Tony Snow would die of cancer, or that Nancy Reagan would expire as a result of her fall, or that Bush would be assassinated, etc. etc. etc. So I'm saying good for lilly, I wish there were a lot more progressive Democrats who shared her civility.

I'm too faint of heart and too weak of spirit to cross over to post at the Daily Kos - although I did expose myself to the Huffington Post this week to read Barack Obama's statement about his position regarding the preachings of Reverend Jeremiah White, but only because it was linked from Real Clear Politics. I did think it was fascinating that Obama chose HuffPo to distance himself from Reverend Wright's radical comments. I'd have gone for a more bipartisan venue such as Politico.com, if I wanted to make such a point.

Taft you're Daft
That was offensive. What do you do, clean toilets with a straw?

I agree to a point
Most of the time Lilly is civil in her discourse. There are times when she makes assumptions and comes across as holier-than-thou, but you are right in that she does not wish ill on people.

I also do not go to places like the Daily Kos or Huffington Post because what I have seen come out of there is rarely civil or decent. I fear the negative energy would just not do me any good.

Political correctness

Don't forget Political correctness.

As in so many cases these days, the "Freedom of Speech" clause is forgotten.

You can say what you want, it can be just as true as possible, but if someone doesn't like it, out you go.

I am still waiting to hear someone prove that what Ferraro said was not true.

Of course you have that screaming preacher in Chicago saying a lot of things the liberals have been saying, in a more gentle manner, for years.

You mean you have not heard that AIDS was invented to eliminate Blacks. Now consider for a moment how AIDS is spread, and the preacher didn't blame the acts of the people in the pew for the spread of AIDS, only the government.

Screwballs blame Reagan for the spread of AIDS because he didn't spend million to try and cure it, while the people involved and their liberal friends, continued to spread it.

Reagan misunderstood the criminal idiots who spread the disease. He thought, as did any thinking person, that once the found how it was being spread, they would stop spreading it. I visited "Qu**r town" many times in those years, and they were proud of having AIDS, and worked to catch and spread it.

So tell me what Ferraro said that was not true!!!

lilly
Funny how I never hear you mention the hate speech that seems to be the norm at DKos, HuffPo and lefty sites in general. At HuffPo, they routinely turn off comments, particularly when a conservative passes away, because they know the hatred of their liberal/leftist poster will be an embarrassment. They never even ALLOWED any comments on their post on William F. Buckley's recent passing:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/27/william-f-buckley- dead-a_n_88708.html#comments

What does that tell you, Lilly?

You can cherry-pick hateful comments at virtually any site where comments are unmoderated, including TH, but I don't recall ever seeing a conservative site refuse to allow commentary.

dottie
as a liberal i in no way come here to shut up conservatives or want TH gone.

i come here to be challenged so that i can examine my own beliefs under the bright lights of those who disagree with me.

sometimes i am convinced i am indeed, right on some issues, other times i have to re-think a position or modify it.

on the other hand, the author has it only half right.

yes, the founding fathers had knock down, drag out debates and arguments but those arguments led to agonizing but grand compromises and together they forged the greatest document on liberty ever written and established the greatest country the world has ever known.

partisanship is an important part of the process but without compromise, this great country would not exist.

if liberals and conservatives can find common ground on some of the most vexing problem facing our country would we better or worse off.

unfortuately, too many on both sides want America to be a one party system.

that would be the death knell for democracy and the UNITED States of America.

Two views of politics part 1
It seems to me that there are at least two main ways to look at politics. For some people, regardless of ideology, politics is ultimately about consensus. For many people on the left, the dream is that all Americans will come to share the left's general understanding of individual liberty and the appropriate responsibilities of goernment to address social problems. Many leftists simply can't comprehend why reasonable people might disagree with them and oppose most federal social policies.

For many people on the right, the dream is that all Americans will become complete believers in the free market and share the same ideas about moral and religious values. Many people on the right simply can't comprehend why reasonable people might disagree with them and oppose the dominance of specific moral and religious values in our society and be skeptical of some aspects of the free market.

Each side finds it very easy to demonize and attack the other side.

christheprofessor
hey how are you doing.
haven't seen you around.

you some valid points, although i have been banned at redstate.com for expressing liberal views.

i clicked on your link and if you look to the right under "tags" and the first "william buckley dead" post is by ira glass who was head of aclu at one time and he gives a light hearted respectful anecdote of his relationship with buckley.

i respected buckley even though i obviously didn't always agree with him.

its kind of like john cornyn of oklahoma, he is probably the most true conservative i have seen in years.

he sticks with his principles even when it hurts him with other conservatives.

gestell
good synopsis

i would maintain that there are many in the middle who see the attributes of both philosophies and are looking for a common sense way of satisfying both sides.

unfortunately, what we get is a pendulum effect where the country swings one way for a while and then swings back the other.

maybe that is as good as we can get.

i hope not though.

Gestell
I agree with a lot of your post, but I do disagree about the "left's general understanding of individual liberty." I don't believe most true leftists believe in individual liberty but rather in the primacy of the state over the subservient individual. Examples abound, from PC language constraints, particularly in academic settings, to anti-smoking laws, to using state power and authority to elevate particular classes of people over others (i.e., affirmative action), to Social Security (by what right does the federal government take 15% of my pay each month to give to somebody else in its legal Ponzi scheme?) to socialized health care (where are my individual rights when the government mandates what doctor I have to use, a la HillaryCare?).

With individual rights come responsibilities, and in my experience, the left seeks, at every opporunity, to take responsibility for their own lives away from people, in the process robbing them of their individual liberties.


religiouslib
Hi. Good to see you. I'm doing well, thanks, and you?

I think what you are seeing may be by people who are HuffPo "diarists" (not sure if that is the right word), people who are authorized to create threads as opposed to just post comments on threads. If you look near the bottom just above where one would post a comment, you can see the comment count is 0. As far as I can tell, the rank-and-file posters were never allowed to leave any comments.

Regarding sticking with one's principles, I have to say I have a lot of respect for Joe Lieberman. He stuck to his guns as well, and it really cost him. I'm glad to see he was reelected in spite of it, though.


Well Said!
This column is well written and well said!

The problem is not the partisanship itself but how it is practiced.

What is really disturbing is the ever increasing fascist tactics used to shut down dissent.

jim
I am still waiting for someone to disprove what she said as well.

The trouble is her candidate isn't any better. Would HC be a candidate without ever having been First Lady let alone just the platform of woman hood?

Doubt it. Her qualifications really aren't any better than Obama's.

Compromise
Compromising is a fine art. You have to have the wisdom to know when to compromise and when not to.

It was too much compromising that led us into a civil war, and in some aspects of that not enough either.

I don't what it tell, lilly,
chrosthe"professor, but I know what it tells me.

"They never even ALLOWED any comments on their post on William F. Buckley's recent passing:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/27/william-f-buckley- dead-a_n_88708.html#comments

What does that tell you, Lilly?"

It tells me that they own their site.

Next!

lilly
I feel really sad for you.

First off you cannot distinguish reality from hyperbole. Then you don't realize that you are equally guilty as you constantly use stereotype cloaked in pretty words to label conservatives as racist, bigot, red neck homophobes.

Just because you deliver your venom with a smile doesn't make it any less poisonous.

MellorSJ2
"It tells me that they own their site.

Next!"

Ah, there's that penetrating insight, that keen grasp of the obvious, coupled with a devastating retort, for which leftists are known.

liberal oxymoronics
Liberals always talk about the value of diversity, and the evil of partisanship. Ignoring completely that you can't have both.

As bad as Star Drek, the Next Germination was, it gave us one example of a perfect, harmonious society. The Borg.

Yes, they were diverse; some were brown, some were white some were green. Vulcans, Humans, Bajorans... the borg weren't picky about who they assimilated.

Of course, once assimilated, they all followed one thought, one purpose. Each was plugged into his job and performed it without complain or ambition. Or feeling.

The "diversity" of the Borg, like the diversity liberals espouse, is superficial.

Someone on Fox today said that, in some States, that preacher of Obama's would go to jail for hate crimes. We need to find these States, and either remove their laws from the books or remove them from the Union. As much as I hate what that preacher said, he must be allowed to say it.

christheprofessor
you are right, most of the tags are contributing columnists like burt and hewitt here at townhall.

it is sad they had to shut down the comments section .

on one hand i am glad huffinton was responsible enough to shut down evil and disgusting posts, on the other, is that being too politically correct.

don't have an answer myself, just an interesting conundrum.

religioulsib
They've had to do that numerous times.

It really is sad.

to religious lib
You are one of the exemplery people on here. I do not often agree with you, but you challenge my own beliefs, and that is a good thing. Unfortunately, some libs do come here to spout their own self-righteous beliefs as if those who disagree are obviously too stupid to see reason. I could mention a few names, but everybody knows who those posters are.

thanks dottie
you have a point and occasionally i will say something to those on my side of the aisle, so to speak, when i feel they have crossed the line.


right back at you, it is good to be challenged from time to time.

thank you for your civil and friendly post.

jdw
I have to agree with you. Wright has every right to say what he believes, as horrible as it is, and reap the consequences of it.

Personally I like his blatant honesty. I want to know who my enemy is readily without having to work to find out who it is.

The devil you know is better than the one you don't.

The Trivia of the day

I have a question, not an important problem, just one of trivia.

Something unique happened in a little farmhouse just a few miles outside of the little Village of Lake Odessa, Mich, on Friday, March 16, 1928.

Would anyone care to guess what happened?

With the emphasis on UNIQUE, the only time this exact thing happened in the trillions of years of evolution.


Jim
You were born?

I don't know
Taft....depends on where his talent lies. Where would Hilly be in the senate or just a cheated on housefrau?

Jim...
...Your birthday?

Christheproffesor...
...Great minds think alike.

eightyitis it is

Nam65-66 writes: Sunday, March, 16, 2008 5:08 PM
Jim...
...Your birthday?
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christheprofessor writes: Sunday, March, 16, 2008 4:35 PM
Jim
You were born?
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Thanks a lot, I bet that’s what it was. I was there, but I don’t remember much about it.

As I told the doctor the other day, "I don't care if my thumb hurts when I hit it with a hammer, because I expect it to hurt. But I don't like this idea that I feel so many different ways, on many different days, or even different hours, with no known reason."

He agreed that’s an early indicator of eightyitis.

my 2 cents
Geraldine Ferraro is no dummy and there is no way that she could NOT have known that she would have to resign if her comments became public, which they of course did.

There is something in what she said. It's not very nice to contemplate it but there IS something to it. Hillary of course disavowed the statement but it's OUT THERE.

Therefore I don't think it is too much of a stretch to say that the whole thing was a setup - If (God forbid) Hillary wins at some point there will be a little something for GF.

There is an old tried and true political maxim that goes roughly like this:

Uberling to underling - "Do what you have to do but don't tell me so I can say I didn't know."

Left unsaid - "If you get away with it I owe you, if you don't I don't know you."

I can't help thinking that this silly little tiff has some grounding in that. GF fell on the sword and if HC wins there will be a reward down the line.

Mr. Stokes writes:
'The real danger to our way of life does not come from political partisanship, but from those who desire a society where an all-knowing, all-seeing, all-encompassing state decides what is best for the rest of us.'

True!!!!!

But the current Republicans and Democrats are cut from the same bolt of cloth. Both parties want big government with big solutions that never work until even bigger government is created. And by then the problem is so enlarged that nothing can correct the problem until it has run its course but the big government programs continue. The depression of the 30s is a very good example.

What any country needs is polar opposite parties that fight to win their seat in government. And when one party wins the majority it dismantles the programs the other party put in place. Has that ever happened in America? No. No. A thousand times No. So partisanship in America is a shadow of what it should be. Partisanship in America is merely sound and fury signifying nothing.

Silent Majority
We had,at one time, a "Silent Majority",which wasn't eveident until an important problem arose and it would make itself known.

I hope it is still alive and not being liberal-lite.We need polar opposites,if we are to survive as a republic.


Uncle Max
"Therefore I don't think it is too much of a stretch to say that the whole thing was a setup"

Yuh THINK???

In all seriousness, I think you're right on target. In a Clinton campaign, few things happen by accident. This way, Hillary can get the remark out in the open and disavow it all at the same time.

Two views of politics part 2
If the first view of politics is mostly about consensus (however defined, and even though there can be left and right versions of consensus), then the second view of politics is that it is fundamentally about conflict. What makes an issue "political" is that the issue divides people into two polarized and opposing sides. Left and Right can buy into this version of politics quite easily. The other side becomes an enemy to be defeated, silence, even destroyed, if possible. There are certainly many conservatives who would not miss nor regret the total disappearance of liberals and liberalism, who would welcome this disappearance with cries of graditude. Some conservatives want to speed this process along by any legal (or sometimes illegal) means. They certainly think that eventually most people will be properly patriotic, religious, and moral, so the Left will be no more.

Many liberals can't really understand why conservatives continue to exist. Surely, they think, the phliosophical and religious basis for conservatism has long since been demonstrated to be false. A few on the Left may imagine terminating the worst conservatives, but most assume that eventually historical progress will get back on track and one day conservatives will have faded away, to join trilobites and pterosaurs, among many others extinct life forms. Failing that, conservatives will diminish in numbers to a ridiculous handful of sectarian nut-cases, to be dealt with, if needs be, by some good therapists.

Well short of such utopian fantasies, Left and Right are permanent enimies. When one wins, the other must lose, and the stakes in political struggle are very, very high. Nothing less than the well-being of the human race (or at least the American subset thereof) is in the balance. So the conflict goes on.

Deacon
You wrote:
"But the current Republicans and Democrats are cut from the same bolt of cloth. Both parties want big government with big solutions that never work until even bigger government is created."

I'm sure I'm taking you in a very narrow way. But I don't think the *parties* are cut from the same cloth. Their stated aims are quite different. The Democrat politicians behave consistent with their philosophy. However, the Republican politicians succumb to the "necessities" of pork politics.

I think the issue with partisanship is that the longer the same politicians are there, the farther away from the true principles of their parties they both get (but Republicans more so). It becomes an exercise in maintaining and increasing power so they can do the "good" that they never seem to be able to get around to doing. They do start looking the same--not substantially different on issues, just a little jockeying to get an edge on the other side.

Gestell
I enjoyed your comments and generally agree. But you wrote:
"Some conservatives want to speed this process [waning of liberals] along by any legal (or sometimes illegal) means."

Which conservatives, what means?

and you wrote:
"Failing that [conservatives' extinction by natural causes], conservatives will diminish in numbers to a ridiculous handful of sectarian nut-cases, to be dealt with, if needs be, by some good therapists."

It is my observation that the left has been more than willing to use the courts, or threats of court action, to silence ridiculous sectarian nut-cases. When they can get speech/thought they don't like codified as "hate", they have no problem using the power of the courts to really shut down dissent.

dmac writes:
'Deacon
You wrote:
"But the current Republicans and Democrats are cut from the same bolt of cloth. Both parties want big government with big solutions that never work until even bigger government is created."

I'm sure I'm taking you in a very narrow way. But I don't think the *parties* are cut from the same cloth. Their stated aims are quite different. The Democrat politicians behave consistent with their philosophy. However, the Republican politicians succumb to the "necessities" of pork politics. '

If Republicans succumb to the "necessities of pork politics then it is because there is no substantive difference between the parties in DC or at home. I don't believe that. People at home are much more conservative out of necessity. The politicians in DC use tax money to purchase their reelection. The party platform is nodded at but the politicians do what they must in order to stay in power. For Democrats this aligns them with their platform but for Republicans it makes them choose between the platform or reelection.
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