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Sunday, February 17, 2008
David R. Stokes :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Case For a Single McCain Term
by David R. Stokes
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On November 8, 1904, President Theodore Roosevelt followed the election returns coming in via telegraph to the White House. He was running for his own term, having succeeded William McKinley who had been assassinated in 1901, just six months into his presidency. Roosevelt was immensely popular – viewed by the Democrats as virtually unbeatable, with men like William Jennings Bryan and even former President Grover Cleveland refusing to run against him. It fell to one Alton B. Parker, a New York Court of Appeals Judge, to be the sacrificial Democratic lamb that year – his ticket balanced by an 81 year old millionaire from West Virginia. TR won by nearly twenty percentage points in the popular vote.

Sitting in the White House that evening with his wife, Edith, and a crowd of friends, he stunned his guests, not to mention his spouse, by announcing that he would not be running for reelection four years later. That was an odd way to celebrate a great victory – but it was far from impulsive.  He kept his promise in 1908, leaving the White House on March 4, 1909 more popular than ever.

Of course, he was only 51 years old when he went into retirement, and he did struggle with just what to do with the rest of his life. Family members were fond of saying that Roosevelt “longed to be the bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral.”  This seems to bear a striking resemblance to a current former occupant of the Oval Office.

Flash forward a century and think with me about a scenario that has possibilities, though I have no way to predict its probability.  If John McCain turns out to be the Republican nominee, and then if he indeed wins the White House in November, he will be, at 72 years of age, the oldest president elected to a first term (Ronald Reagan was 73 when elected the second time). 

Imagine with me that President-Elect John Sidney McCain III appears on television late in the evening on November 4, 2008 to claim victory, graciously congratulate his worthy opponent, and thank those who voted for him. Then he pauses, looks over to his wife and smiles, and turning back to the camera says the following:

“My fellow Americans – Thank you for the trust you have placed in me by electing me to be your President.  I want to pledge to you this evening that I want to devote every moment of my administration and every ounce of my attention to the great and grave matters facing us.  From the War on Terror, to our struggling economy, to the things that divide and polarize us – I want to start from DAY ONE to do all in my power to insure that I leave America better off when I leave office than it is today. Accordingly, I will not seek, nor will I accept, the nomination of my party for another term – after this one – as your President. What I am doing is certainly unprecedented, but I believe it is absolutely necessary. I refuse to be a President driven by polls and an undercurrent of reelection strategy.”

Can you imagine? Better yet – what if John McCain were to actually campaign on this as a strategy – promising that he would serve only four years?

Of course, the first objection to this is that it would make him a lame-duck from that proverbial DAY ONE, and it could.  But, it could also play out quite differently. It’s a strategy only tried (sort of) twice before.  In addition to Teddy Roosevelt, Calvin Coolidge did essentially the same thing with respect to the election of 1928. In fact, it’s largely conceded that both men could very well have won new terms. 

Of course, Lyndon Johnson withdrew from the presidential race in March of 1968, but this was after it became clear to him that he would be hard-pressed to win either his party’s nomination or reelection in the fall. 

In my opinion, such a bold stroke might work well for Mr. McCain. First, it would neutralize the age issue – something that will become a subplot (if not an overt issue) in any campaign against a youthful Barack Obama.  It would also place greater significance on the choice for Vice President on the GOP ticket. There would be politics as usual, of course, but an effective and popular sitting president (a more likely scenario in a first/single term than a second one) would provide a measure of stability to an otherwise wide-open process.  Members of his party could run toward or away from him, but he would be harder to ignore.

The fact is that history has not been kind to reelected Presidents. Or is it that these men have not been kind to themselves and the rest of us? 

Woodrow Wilson did not keep us out of war after his reelection in 1916 – and, in spite of all his professorial and statesman-like efforts, one day the cheering stopped and he left office a broken man.

Franklin Roosevelt interpreted his landslide victory in 1936 as a mandate to pack the Supreme Court.  That was a New Deal bridge too far.

Harry S. Truman won an upset victory in 1948 – but he left office four years later with an approval rating number that has never been bested (or is that “worsted”?).

How about Richard Nixon? Need I really go there?

Even Ronald Reagan, whose mantle was sought by just about every would-be Republican candidate this year, had a rough 2nd term – remember Iran-Contra?

Only Dwight D. Eisenhower managed to avoid too much trouble during round two of his administration, leaving office with an approval rating of 59%. Of course, his war hero status, not to mention his “above the fray” approach to management, insulated him from excessive criticism.  His would-be successor, Richard Nixon, was, however, beaten by the agent of change du jour.

It’s quite likely that HUBRIS plays a part in what happens to a man once reelected.  He tends to see the results as an exaggerated mandate. The people tend to mean it as a “job well done” statement. It’s not necessarily a green light for reach to exceed grasp.

But, someone might ask – couldn’t a one-term president make similar pride-blinded mistakes (not to mention those born of incompetence)? Sure - ask Jimmy Carter, or George H.W. Bush, or Gerald Ford – or, for that matter – Millard Fillmore. These men, however, got what Winston Churchill once called “the order of the boot.”  They weren’t single term presidents because that was what they really wanted.  

John McCain’s strengths are those of courage, forthrightness, and an obvious sense of duty.  A single-term presidency – on purpose – might just be the kind of thing that would resonate with people in these times of chronic campaigning and endless politics.

After four years he could exit the stage on a high note.  And, unlike Teddy Roosevelt he couldn’t (and wouldn’t) come back in 2016.

By then, John McCain will be 80. 

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David R. Stokes is a minister, writer, and broadcaster. His weekly talks at Fair Oaks Church in Fairfax, Virginia and host of Loud on Purpose, heard Monday to Friday in Washington, D.C. on WAVA 105.1 fm.
 
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Another McBFFL
McBitch Flying Fig Leaf.

This one boils down to "Give in and we'll let you pick second, what harm can the ol geezer do anyway." A variation on the "it ain't so bad" and "I'll change" arguments of the Spouse Abuser.

Sorry, Davie, as I said earlier, I've walked.
Hillybama gets the lesser of two evils vote. Socialism Straight and hope for a hurl. The McChurian Candidates Socialism Lite is a sure death.

I've got blog on TH now, my reasons are more fully expanded there.

the big mick

Whoever's gonna be a one-termer
It doesn't matter who gets elected to the Presidency. Based upon their own words, each of the contenders promises to be an epic failure and an embarrassment to this country -- as if the current President hasn't tried hard enough.

I'm tired of agendas and the gutterwash media. McCain and Clinton are political whores. Obama is an ignorant idealist.

Take your pick -- it's not gonna matter in four years.

McCain Fustercluck
It's a sad, sad, sad, sad time we're living in. Ambition aplenty and not a single conservative frontrunner that will lead our country through the next four crucial years.

McCain absolutely wreaks with special interest influence, the same stink worn by Clinton. If you give me a choice between an ignorant idealist and an agenda whore, I'll usually pick the idealist.

McCain is an old, worn-out whore. He's proven it with his voting record and his frequent statements about his beliefs. The guard that's advising him are either liberals, or they're ashamed. I'm surprised they actually allow folks to identify them as "advisers".

Mark my word, the next President is going to be an epic embarrassment. Maybe it's all intentional, given the gutterwash the media serves up every night.

What is a conservative?
1. Believes in a limited government. This includes staying out of the bedroom, my library card, my thoughts, my feeling, etc.
2. Believes in lowering taxes while admitting that you can't fill potholes with good intentions.
3. Believes in avoiding war but is not afraid of a fight.
4. Is accepting of other points of view as a sign of a strong democracy and recognizes that strength in our system comes from diversity of thought and opinion, not everyone being the same.
5. Is willing to compromise on matters that do not threaten the national security while refusing to compromise on matters that threaten the national security.
6. Is not republican, or democrat, or libertarian [although he/she may be in those parties]. When asked he says he is an american [not a conservative american].
7. May have never served but supports those who do in defense of our country.

And other things. But, those who are so obsessed with their parochial viewpoints of life that they can't join the team when the leader is chosen, are just sad individuals.

4 and over
I'm a McCain fan but I think you are right. He has alot to offer as a man, a veteran, a legislator and a president. But, even the most energetic 75 year old is still old for the presidency. It is a job that destroys the health of many men. What better way to unite the party than to announce, as TR did, that he will retire in 4. Presidential politics is almost all the time now anyway. Romney could begin now setting the stage for his comeback.

I'm Not A Doctor
but McCain does not look healthy. Why do I hear so much breathing when he talks? Half the time he looks like he's been hit upside the head. Kind of confused. He is not sharp. And has he ever heard of teeth whitening? He is not a young 72, that's for sure!

Dear Hmmmm
call me what you want-I will not vote for the liberal McCain. You are the ones who have ruined the Republican party which I have now officially left. McCain is going down in flames-he cannot win without the conservatives. So the blue blood Bush supports him??-it only reinforces my resolve. Get used to President Obama and a new conservative party. I am done with the Stupid Party!

Hmmm
All good Republicans are lining up behind McCain.
Selfish whinny conservatives are going to take their votes and go home. Good God, conservatives are sore winners and even worse losers. Listen to George HW Bush. Conservatives did not have a single candidate
that won anything. YOU LOST, face it. Start your own party ya babies.

How many conservatives?
I consider myself to be a conservative, although I don't always agree 120% with the FAR right. But I have to laugh when I read over and over again, here at TH, people saying things like, "McCain can NEVER win without the conservative base," as if the opinion of the 200 or 300 or 400 people who comment here really carried any weight.

Wanna' bet he can't win? This thrillingly conservative Republican party washed its hands of Tancredo, Hunter, Thompson and Romney, all of whom were far more conservative than John McCain. John McCain was falling on his duff last summer, out of money and looking like he had one foot in the grave. Today the guy has been voted for in substantial primaries and caucuses, and will likely be the GOP nominee.

People, who exactly do you think is voting for him? Do you think it's ALL independent voters from New Hampshire? Newsflash: The Republican party isn't nearly as conservative as its once was and in many cases isn't conservative at all. The people who are voting FOR John McCain in primaries are the same people who will vote FOR John McCain in the general election. The real "conservative base" (wherever it is nowadays) doesn't appear large enough to swing much influence on or for anything -- at least IMO.

So in a general election 400 or 4,000 or even 40,000 conservatives don't vote for McCain. Does anyone really think that will matter? There are, clearly, PLENTY of people ready to cast their votes his way. Unfortunately.

McCain has never had an earmark.
He has pledged no new taxes.

He is the best candidate to be commander in chief.

He has conservative credentials going back decades to Ronald Reagan.

The ACU gives him an 83% rating--not an A, but a solid B.

No one else is going to be the Rep. nominee.

Regardless of Obama/Clinton, the coming campaign contrasts whether the Am. electorate wants a tested Republican leader with military exp. who emphasizes business and econimic success with low taxation to a pair of 19th C. socialists espousing WW I-pacifism that would abandon a strong US foreign policy against self-(Osama Ban Laden)-proclaimed American enemies and create military humiliation in the Middle East where we still get 30% of our oil imports.

As far as guest workers, I am not for any form of illegal immigration, but in case you don't remember, in the 40s and 50s we had guest worker programs as they are part of the history of Ocean County, New Jersey, and the truck and chicken farming that were once thriving industries here.

Inane nicknames
Is anyone besides me tired of the silly, inane nicknames for those with whom you disagree? I find it hard to read posts with these ridiculous, childish nicknames. How about some thoughtful, adult opinion pieces for a change? And correct spelling and grammar would help, as well.

McCain has to offer...
more than being a one term president. He could seriously sign the the conservative contract circulating thanks to GOPUSA. He could then reach across the aisle and ask the rest of the GOP Senators and Reps running for office to sign that same contract. Then he could ask the rest of the Senators and Reps to seriously consider signing the contract.

Who is chosen to be in the VP slot is vitally important if McCain is a one term president. The VP then should be given a larger role in the administration thus setting him up to be a solid candidate come 2012.

GOP will either return to the conservative fold or a third party will receive the strength and funding from the unrepresented conservatives looking for a home.

This is just
Another attempt to find a way to get conservatives to support McCain.

It doesn't seem to be working.

I don' know why you liberal Republicans come in here and badmouth us about how we wish to vote. You no longer own conservatives. We owe you nothing.

Okay, you think McCain will make a great President. Fine. You vote for him. I disagree, and I won't.

End of argument.

And the liberals can stop trying to throw President Reagan in our faces. He was terrific as President, but he wasn't the Messiah, and he didn't create the Republican party. The Republican party was the party of Lincoln long before the party of Reagan. You're not going to influence me, and probably few other conservatives by invoking Reagan. One thing we know, looking back, was that President Reagan compromised too much on too many issues, like amnesty.


McCain needs to answer two questions to my satisfaction:

1) As he has agreed to secure the border before "getting on with the rest of it", how does he intend expelling the illegal aliens already in the U.S.? That would be "the rest of it", as far as I'm concerned.

2) Has he given up the notion of any kind of Guest Worker Program?

If he's not going to expel the illegals already in the country, and if he wants a guest worker program.... he's still for amnesty.

McNasty-no mas!
yo no estoy loco. yo no votare para usted, porque usted es un lberal. press uno for englese or press duo por spanishe. amnestia for all. you go juan!

One Wonders who's been digging?
ELECTION 2008
Sleaze charge: 'I took drugs, had homo sex with Obama'
Minnesota man takes his case to court, YouTube, $100,000 polygraph challenge

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId= 56626

We Elect a Leader, He appoints doers.


Everyone talks about electing a leader. The next thing you hear is, can the candidate plow a field, drive a tank, conduct an appendix operation, can he/she blow the tuba in the US Marine Band, can he/she build a railroad track, can he/she do this or that.

Remember, we are electing a leader, not a doer. Watch the Drum Major, does he blow the right notes on the tuba, does he clash the cymbals at the right moment. No he does neither, he is the leader. Watch the coach of a football team, how many points does he score, how many tackles does he make. None. Watch the farmer as he plows the ground, and plants the seeds. He leads the horses, he does not pull the plow.

We must elect a leader who can appoint a staff of people who will select the best person to blow the tuba, to clash the cymbals, score the points, and plow the field.

Most people, including me, loves to remember JFK, who was considered a great President. But no one remembers what he did. All I remember is that the worst thing he did was appoint Bobby to anything, and the best thing he did was make love to Marilyn Monroe, my favorite Hollywood lady.

The most important job the president does, is nominate, promote, and appoint 30,000 people who will actually run the government. And if the president is a Rep, those people tend to be more conservative than the people appointed by a Demo, especially judges.

His term will last only 35,000 hours. Can you imagine any person, either alive or imaginary, who knows all about everything? So all you single issue ding-dongs, get lost.

So as far as I am concerned, vote for the man in the primaries, vote for the party in the General election, not just for the man.

Yes sometimes that doesn’t work as we want it to work, but even at its worst, the government operated by conservatives is better than one run by lefties.

We elect a leader, he appoints doers.

McCain candidacy
All 3 candidates willl do harm to the country.

Get out and work for conservative Republicans for House and Senate who just might not go along to get along when the president tries to pass amnesty again.

I'm for another year-long campaign, only with just one national -- or maybe 2 or 3 regional -- primaries fairly close together so the MSM and their infernal pollsters don't tell us for whom we have to vote.

I want to select from among 8 or 10, not 4, of whom 3 are duds and one is my 3rd or 4th choice.



The Cincinnati Kid
"The future direction of the Supreme Court is the ONLY issue that truly matters"

Thanks honey!
The other reason:
Drive to Manhattan,cross the Hudson River, continue south.:ook around.

OLD NEWS KOONOOP...


I posted this four days ago.....


Get with the program.










John McCain funded by Soros since 2001

WND-As Sen. John McCain assumes the GOP front-runner mantle, his long-standing, but little-noticed association with donors such as George Soros and Teresa Heinz Kerry is receiving new attention among his Republican critics.

In 2001, McCain founded the Alexandria, Va.-based Reform Institute as a vehicle to receive funding from George Soros’ Open Society Institute and Teresa Heinz Kerry’s Tides Foundation and several other prominent non-profit organizations.

McCain used the institute to promote his political agenda and provide compensation to key campaign operatives between elections.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/john-mccain-funded -by-soros-since-2001


Defeat McCain? wait a minute
Shoot ourselves in the foot? I don't want Obama's tax increases--which he has ALREADY spent several times over with his proposals.

So you see McCain lose, that gives you some satisfaction, and then what? The rest of the country suffers so that you can feel good about having taught the republicans a lesson? For what? For more taxes? For a surrender-minded commander in chief Obama?

sanity folks. Think. And STOP thinking of yourselves and your so-called principle. There is NOTHING principled by letting Obama become commander in chief, and a federal Santa-Clause that will tax us into disaster.

Please, think. THINK. REALISM folks, please. We're better than this.

Commander-in-Chief Obama
Heaven help us.

I'm not a McCain supporter and his legislation with libs infuriates me. That being said, our soldiers that have risked and given their lives do NOT deserve an Obama as Commander-in-Chief. So you're sitting out in November out of anti-McCain principle? How is putting a surrender-oriented Obama in there and act of principle?

Our anti-McCain indignation, as righteous as it is, should SACRIFICIALLY give way to keeping Obama from becoming Commander-in-chief. Go out and vote, not third party, not write in, vote McCain. I don't like him, I think he's a rino, but he's not a surrender guy. That's just the reality of it. Let's be grown ups about this. We owe it to our fighting men and women. They're being more grown up than we are.

Fairness Doctrine

Someone mentioned the Fairness Doctrine as an argument for voting for McCain.


That is a decent argument. I do believe McCain when he says he's against it (despite his track record of opposition to free speech).

But I believe the risk is pretty low that it would pass in a Dem administration.

Remember, it only takes 40 Senators or half of the House to block legislation. I believe that the Fairness Doctrine is only supported by the far left minority of the Democrats in Congress. Democratic members of Congress from middle America states are not going to support it. If it has enough support in Congress that it could pass, I think our country is in big trouble no matter who is in the White House for the next 4 years.


And even if the Fairness Doctrine were to pass, I think it could very well blow up in the faces of its supporters. With the proliferation of technology, especially the internet, it is much harder today for a fascistic regime to silence opposition.

Furthermore, there will be some on the left that oppose the Fairness Doctrine too. Independent media of the far left. They will know full well that the same instrument that would be put in law for the purpose of silencing conservatives could be used against them the next time the Republicans took over the White House.


Now one could argue that by silencing conservatives, the leftists would guarantee that conservatives never ever again took power. But politics is too volatile for anyone to count on such things.

Sgt Relic says
"He would stay in office to his last breath. "


Although I believe there is a strong case for not electing McCain, that is not a good argument in my view.

If McCain is elected in 2008, I see no reason he wouldn't run for a second term, but I believe the odds are virtually nil that he would WIN a second term.

Actually, THAT is yet another reason to not vote for McCain.


If you vote for McCain, you get a Democrat in the White House in 2012. If the Dems win in 2008, the Republicans get the White House in 2012.

Re: Phil Byler 6:11 PM
Phil: I really don't care who wins...just so long as McCain loses.

Since you took the liberty of drawing and stating a conclusion from my post, I'll do the same. Based on some of your posts that I've been pained to read, I conclude that you are gay.

Defeat McCain!!


the question

Conservatives clearly are too weak to get their own candidate elected for President this year.

(although one problem was that they couldn't even find a candidate whom could gain broad acceptance among them)


But I do believe conservatives have the power to keep McCain from winning.


There will be two schools of thought on that.

McCain supporters will contend that is cutting your nose off to spite your face.

People like me will be saying: Au contraire, that is an act that will:

1). give us a President who is LESS successful in passing a liberal agenda, because a Democrat in the White House will get very little of his legislative agenda passed, because there will be more than 40 Senators and more than half the House that will oppose most of that agenda. In contrast, the liberal policies of McCain, such as open-borders immigration, might be able to pass with a coalition of liberal Democrats and rinos, at least during the first year or two before McCain's presidency has gone the route of the Titanic.

2). A McCain defeat will allow conservatives to reclaim the Republican Party, so that in 2012 the American people will once again have a genuine choice for President.

3). A conservative Republican is likely to get elected Presdient in 2012, because the next Presidential term is going to be a disaster for whoever occupies the White House. Not only because we are guaranteed of having a clueless President for the next 4 years, but because even a President with a clue probably couldn't do much about the coming Great Depression that our bankrupt monetary and fiscal policies are leading us to.

RA said
"Unless McCain takes the no amnesty pledge I'm voting for Obama."


Even if he took such a pledge, what do you think the odds are he would stick by it once elected?

How about zero.

Byler

And so what if there are a few conservatives mixed in with the RINOs that have endorsed McCain.

Party etiquette requires Republican elected leaders to fall in line behind McCain.


A Republican voter like myself, however, is free to vote in the manner I feel is best for America.

Byler

And cut the condescending crap about "hysteria".

Many of us who believe a McCain presidency would be a national disaster of historic proportions have followed politics closely for years, and know very intimately what he stands for.

Just because you don't share our views doesn't allow you to be condescending.

In fact, you are behaving like your hero.

Byler

As I have said many times, although McCain is less liberal than Obama or Hillary:

A MCCAIN PRESIDENCY WILL HAVE A MORE LIBERAL LEGISLATIVE OUTPUT THAN AN OBAMA OR HILLARY PRESIDENCY.


No doubt you disagree. But for those believe the above point as I do, you cannot get us to support McCain out of fear for what will happen under an Obama or Hillary presidency.

Because we sincerely feel that what a McCain presidency will do to this country is even worse.

the case for ONE term?

How about the case for ZERO McCain terms?

To me that is by far the strongest case.

McCain
did not win the conservative vote, anywhere. In fact, two times as many conservatives voted against him than for him. He won only by using Clintonesque shenanigans. If the GOP thinks it can win without conservatives, go ahead and try. Have a nice life. Only, I won't "shut up and get over it." I have not yet lost because McCain has not yet been elected POTUS.

McCain will NOT win the conservative vote for the POTUS. It is not his birthright. It is not the birthright of the RNC. If the majority of Americans do not want McCain, so be it.

To Greg B, SD
So you want Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton to win? That is the meaning of your 5:27 PM post. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are anti-military socialists who will increase government spending and thus taxes, accept defeat in Iraq, pursue appeasement policies in foreign affairs, seek outright amnesty in immigration, promote pro-abortion policies and nominate left wing judges to the federal bench. I could conclude from your post that you are a left winger. But my guess is that you are suffering from the McCain Derangement Syndrome from which some conservatives are needlessly suffering. May I suggest that you consider the fact that there are plenty of conservatives who have carried public responsibilities and who have endorsed McCain: former Secretaries of State George Schultz, Henry Kissinger, Lawrence Eagleburger and Alexander Haig, former Navy Secretaries John Lehman and William Ball, General Norman Schwartzkof, former national security officials Bud MacFarlane, James Woolsey, Tom Kean, Tom Ridge and Robert Inman, former Cabinet Secretaries (outside State) James Schlesinger, Jack Kemp, Robert Mosbacher and Peter Peterson, Senators Sam Brownback, Richard Burr, Tom Coburn, John Thune, John Warner, John Kyl, Pete Domenici, Trent Lott, Lindsey Graham, and Gordon Smith, former Senators Phil Gramm, Alphone D’Amato, Dan Coats, Warren Rudman, Mike DeWine, Peter Fitzgerald and Slade Gordon, Governors Charlie Crist, Mitch Daniels, John Huntsman and Tim Pawlenty. Also, there is Colonel Oliver North.

To baseballdoc
If McCain wins, he is going to give the Democrats very little of what they want. Your notion that McCain might is out of touch with reality. The hysteria that has been whipped up on the part of some conservatives towards McCain is nonsense.

hebigmick
Your vote for HRC won't affect me.
Thanks to a great economy, I can sit 4 years out in Ireland.

McCain The War Hero !!!!
Why is it a self proclaimed war hero who has almost annually issued a journalistic effort outlining his heroic actions in Vietnem caused his military records of his actions to be sealed ??? ALA John Kerry !!!!
He is the first to tell you that he has been tested but refuses to let you see the acutal record of that testing.
If some of the things I have read about Mc Cains behaivor as a POW, as related by fellow POW's are anywheres near the truth then look out Traitor John because what the Swift Boat vets did to John Kerry will be peanuts compared to what the Democrats will do to you.
You're passe John, and probably would have a very difficult time if you have to retain your senate seat.

Tone of posts
My compliments on the excellent reasoning and well stated facts of Seawolf's 7:08 post and a little reminder to us all:

Let's keep our comments on McCain and other candidates in the realm of civility. We can agree to disagree and do so in a polite and dignified manner without resorting to name calling, which is a bit childish and doesn't add to, or forward, the conversation. Let's submit our discussions and differing view points to each other at an adult level and not sink into making fun of the candidates, who in my opinion, are all brave individuals who have put themselves out there for public viewing and often public ridicule, believing they each have an offering to this country worthy of the struggle. Politics and religion are oft touchy subjects, so perhaps some extra care must be taken. Anonymity is no excuse for rudeness.

Whats A Good Republican ????
For some who post here and say if you don't support Mc cain you are not a good Republican ??? It is in my opinion that I as a 55 years plus member of the Republican Party and doing the RIGHT thing for that party is a good part of the reason the Party is in the state it is currently in. Sometime ago, again in my opinion the elite of the Republican Party and Republican presidents starting with George H.W. Bush and George W. as well as so many congressional RINO's came to believe that they were elected to rule the lower classes (elctorate) rather than lead, and represent. That the Democrats have always been of that mind set is a given.
This opinion or belief of mine is further strengthened when the Republican Party who is constantly soliciting financial aid from its Party members refused to offer any assistance or consideration to a couple of candidates who are staunchly against amnesty, Pork barrle spending, and the downsizing of the federal government. Those two men Duncan Hunter, and Tom Tancredo were not presidential caliber in the minds of the Party Elite, who after all know so much more than the electorate Sheeple who are expected to privide their votes, and money and then step back and shut up. My opinion is further strengthened when I saw Mitt Romney throw in the towel and put his arm around John Mc Cain when a week before they had been trying to slaughter each other. I didn't know wether to vomit or head to the Outhouse because their shenanigans are so transparent and obvious to any clear thinking person.
In the end I believe that the actions of Mitt Romney is further proof that the Republican Party is in it's death throes, and is headed by a bunch of Scam artists, and as with scam artist I may not entirely understand your strategy of Scam but I damned sure know you are trying to Scam me, and you won't ever get my vote !!! Not this year anyway.

redlac
Thanks for you nice post. HOWEVER...
One of the reasons that I will vote for McCain is the fact that the mega-church Evangelicals do not care for him..
I do not go to church to be entertained or to have a pastor tell me how to vote.

The premise that 72 is "too old" is a hoot!

My friends range from 17 to 93.

It Doesn't Matter
if McCain pledges to give me free beer for life...I'm not voting for him.

Defeat McCain!!

It Doesn't Matter
One term is enough to destroy America and the Republican party by amnestying 15 million new Democrats.

Unless McCain takes the no amnesty pledge I'm voting for Obama.

Ph.D., J.D. 4:36 PM
Thanks. Conventional wisdom has him on the short list. He's a democrat...of course he's on the list.

Are you suggesting they may find him in bed with big boys?

Defeat McCain!!

Comparisons
McCain= experience and substance.
Huckabee= experience and substance.
Clinton= experience (or so she says)
Obama=0 and a little fantasy

'Nuff said.

Perhaps
If I were voting for Ted Olsen, I imagine I'd have your perspective. However, I'm not.

My take comes from my knowledge of McCain, his history, and comments such as those of two former aides hired to spearhead religious outreach for presidential candidate John McCain, who say that they were virtually ignored by the campaign and that McCain's top campaign strategists are intent on winning votes of religious voters without having to develop serious ties to faith communities. The aides, who were fired after roughly three months on the job, said the campaign staff declined to return scores of their phone calls and E-mail messages, denied them access to leaders of the McCain campaign, and pressed them to collect church directories—a controversial tactic—as the centerpiece of a strategy to woo "values" voters.

"In the end, you came away with the strong sense that they had contempt for the faith-based community," says Marlene Elwell, one of those fired staffers. Elwell, a prominent Christian-right activist, was hired by McCain in December 2006 to be national director of his "Americans of Faith" coalition. "The way we were being treated it was as if we had leprosy."
Judy Haynes—a former top Christian Coalition official hired to work under Elwell—had an assessment similar to Elwell's, saying in a separate interview that the campaign exhibited "a contempt for Christians."


the Demo Hate Machine


We hope that McCain’s one term is great, and we hope that he has a bright, potential presidential candidate as his VP. Someone who can run for election in 2012.

Among the things that must be considered when selecting a VP for McCain, is that another bright, successful, politician not be destroyed.

Remember Dan Quayle? A very capable, a very nice man, but the Demo Hate Machine shifted into high gear, and he was gone in a hateful demo minute.

Remember Jack Kemp? Unbelievably capable, with a good background, but by running on a losing campaign, that was the end of him, as least as far as a higher office was concern.

Remember, George Allen? He said one word in jest to one man, apologized, and no one else knew what the word meant until the Demo Hate Machine got into high gear, and that is the last we have seen of Allen and higher office.

Have you noticed that the Demo Hate Machine is the most racist, the most hateful public relations operation you have seen. Few people heard Imus, or Allen, or any of the hundred people destroyed by that machine.

But millions of people heard the words that the Demo hate machine said were so bad. If the words were bad, if no one should have said or heard them, why did the demos make sure that millions of people heard those words millions of times?

Of course as we have seen on MSNBC recently, one man got suspended for saying one word, a word that is accepted and used daily by the young generation, but the hateful Kiufe Gooferman, or whatever his name is, said the same thing about a General in our Army, and he is praised, not suspended.

That’s the Demo Hate Machine in full power, and in full control of the media.

To Greg
Greg, it is serious speculation -- for lack of a better description. The newspaper in Tallahassee is taking it very seriously. Do a Google of Crist -- he makes McCain look conservative! He has cut a few taxes but that is it. He has attacked insurance companies in a way that would make even Stalin or Marx blush. He hates oil companies, and believes in global warming hardcore. Spending tons of FL dollars attacking rising sea levels issues. Huge on amnesty issues and such. Just a political hack, really, who is scared to take a stand that bucks current elite opinion. The man will definitely cause serious conservatives to stay home in November. Again, this is all in the record.

I will give him credit for being one of the most slick politicians I have ever seen. And they won't find him in bed with little boys (well, hopefully not).

PREMATURE SPECULATION

.....Since no one can foretell the future and since the General Election is not until Nov 4TH ...much can happen twixt might and maybe ...

.....I know that on election day I will cast an Anti-vote ...I will vote against the Democrat Candidate no matter who it might be .....COLOSSUS

McCain's Best Chance...

Is going up against Obama...

Obama doesn't salute "Our" flag. Doesn't wear a flag pin (at least not ours). Supports the anti-American ideal of full surrender. Wears a soldiers wrist-band as a joke. Wants to steal half our paychecks for his friends to sqaunder.

He does Inspire... Weeeee!


Re: Ph.D., J.D. 3:35 PM
Is it speculation, or fact?

I pray it's true...McCain/Crist will crash and burn in spectactular fashion, setting us up nicely for 2012.

Hell, what am I saying? McCain/anybody is gonna get their asses handed to them - unmercifully - but it'll be fun to watch.

Defeat McCain!!

THE CASE AGAINST A MCCAIN TERM

.....Let's say that McCain wins and gives the Democrats everything they want except withdrawl from Iraq ...

.....Let's say that McCain's policies plunge the country into a deep recession with 8 to 10 per cent unemployment and wars break out between Pakistan and Afganistan and Israel and Syria with Iran developing the bomb? ...

.....Who gets blamed in 2012 and what is the logical result? ...

.....COLOSSUS

Wake up Sport . . .
1. Illegals will be voting D in 2012....

Clutch, can't you see that with McCain, everything that you write above is just as likely to happen, including the price of gas when he subjects us to CARBON TAXES (talk about simpering, paranoid schizo greenhouse nutcases). Maybe he would be okay on the Supreme Court, but I doubt it . . . probably at best would nominate a moderate.

Stay home Clutch, take your pills. The world won't crash in around you . . .

2012 ON BUST!
You moronic anti-McCainiacs cannot get over your own overinflated sense of self importance enough to realize that if you sit on your hands this election you will be a true minority by 2012.
If you all sit this one out and the Dems get total control...let's see. 1. Illegals will be voting D in 2012....2. 3 new Supreme Court appointees will decare it "constitutional" to not require documentation to vote. 3. Gas will be 8 bucks a gallon, with Iraq, and the Mid-east in the hands of extremist Islamists. The last thing America will vote for then is a 'True Conservative' who to "rescue" us from all that!

Charlie Crist VP running mate!
According to Tallahassee Democrat today. This man is a hardcore RINO/liberal. See how he has slandered and demagogued the insurance industry. Thanks to McCain for making my November decision easy. I will NOT vote for any ticket that includes a guy who is a fervent global warming crusader. Forget it. Nada, nope. Write-in time.

Don't discount the senior vote
Seniors still make up the biggest voting bloc when it comes to general elections. They won't go for the upstart Obama, and the MTV crowd will go if the weather's nice and if they're not hungover.

Mitt for VP. My work is done.

Stokes - You're 20 Years Too Late
If you were any kind of a journalist, you would have made the case years ago for McCain being just a single term senator. Now the damage is done. Let's not allow him to wreak more havoc.

Defeat McCain!!

Why Not Wait Until 2012
McCain should and will win in November 2008, doing the Republic the favor of denying the Democrats the White House and governing domestically in a moderately conservative way while pursuing a hawkish foreign policy. As for November 2012, why don't we just wait and see where we are then?

Sorry Charlie, but I disagree with

your analysis that Billary or Hussein are better than McCain. I do not support McCain in the primaries, but it will be a no brainer in November. If you dislike him so much, get off the couch and support his opponents. You really shouln't have to be told that if your a real Republican and not a Dem dissembler.

The Cincinnati Kid
Since Roe V. Wade, the GOP has had the White House 22 out of the last 34 years. And Roe V. Wade is still the law. McCain told you, if you were listening, at the age of 63 in 1999 that he didn't think Roe V. Wade should be over-turned. A few months later, he called leaders of the Christian Right, Agents of intolerance. I'm from Arizona. Can you even tell me what Church the man belongs to, and if he says he belongs, how often he actually shows up at the door? Do you understand how tempermental and vindictive this guy is. Do you even pay attention or are you just screening it all out and pretending that this year, this election, he finally saw the light. Do you think McCain actually cares about the religious right? Give me some meaningful evidence. Bottom line, he's a Western Republican, not a SouthEastern Republican. He follows in the shoes of men like Reagan, who never made abortion a litmus test for their Supreme Court nominees. Church and religion are not terribly important. He'll deal with the Democrats in the Senate, many of which he's perfectly comfortable with. You did see, of course, who was on his right after Super Tuesday, right? It was Lieberman. A strong on war Independent liberal who caucuses with the Democrats. On the stage. Not a member of the religious right - not a real conservative - but Lieberman. That's the message McCain chose to send. That's the message you're ignoring. All you can do - like a lot of others, is hope and pray. McCain likes Sandra Day O'Connor - has for years. That's the type of justice you'll get, one who is conservative, but not dogmatic, not terribly religious, and not into causes.

Charlie's Teaparty
The problem is that without taking the Presidency and taking advantage of the "coat tails", there is little chance of many victories in those important congressional elections. If the Dems win the Whitehouse they will significantly increase their majorities in both houses. When the Dems really gain control, they will make it very difficult for the GOP to gain power in the next decade or so. History proves this. Another 40 years of the GOP in the legislative "wilderness". And, since the Dems have moved so far to the extreme left, the country will look a lot like France in not too many years.

Here is another one for Obama.

Why do you want Al Qaeda to win in Iraq?

Is this desire related to your Muslim heritage?

eddie
Nice try, when did you surrender.
I've never needed anyone to tell me who to vote for or not vote for, Liberal troll or GOP stooge, thanks.
This summer when I understood from my US Senator's staff everything in the McVain/Kennedy scamnesty that blatantly betrayed the sovereign US and her CITIZENS, I swore never to vote for McVain; scamnesty was that "straw" for me.
If McVain heads the GOP ticket in November, my votes will be cast for the candidate and not the party in each race on the ballot, and, yes, I'm ashamed to admit that in 2000 and 2004, I voted a straight GOP ballot, contrary to my voting past up to those elections.

McCain The Miss Teen Of Economics?

McCain: The Miss Teen South Carolina Of Economics

This would be funny if for the fact McCain could be President!

WATCH VIDEO

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/mccain-the-miss-te en-south-carolina-of-economics



Another question for Obama.

Why are you a member of a congregation led by someone whose teachings are racist?

Here is a good question for Obama.

Contrast the importance of Mohammed to Jesus Christ in the spiritual order, in world history and in adherence to truth, tell us how they differ from each other Senator Obama

gahotdog
who cares if there is a decent third party candidate come Nov, that candidate could be no worse than the ones running as REPS and DEMS; make your vote count! VOTE THIRD PARTY FOR PRESIDENT IN NOV 2008. Show the party bosses you exist and are tired of the same old, same old.

Lot of Democrat dissemblers on the

board today. Arguing about McCain as though he had won the nomination. Republicans know the nominee has not been decided.

Get a life Democrat trolls. No Republican is going to listen to you discredit and libel John McCain. Do you really think your attacks on John McCain will keep Republicans from voting for him if he is the Party's nominee?

Even though I believe strongly that Mike Huckabee is a far superior choice for President than John McCain, for all the reasons that have been listed before, M_Feingold, Keating 5, Soros stooge, etc. John McCain stands heads and shoulders above Billary and Muslim apostate Hussein.

That being said, I urge all Republicans to compare and contrast Mike Huckabee's platform and record against John McCain. Doing so will make obvious which represents the Republican Party's ideals best. It will also tell you who has the best resume' to qualify for President.

People act like being President can be performed by anyone, even those who have never before run a government. Such an easy job, is that why every president in my lifetime has aged perceptibly during their tenure in office. It is one of the toughest jobs in the world. Why put a beginner there? John McCain is a beginner when it comes to running a government.

Thomas
How can you be so upset with people who want, not necessarily a pure lamb, but at leat one that is more unblemished than blemished.
If McVain had not vindictively, and in my opinion childishly, turned against the conservative part of your "Big Tent" after they rejected him as the party nominee in 2000, he most likely would not have the problem he has with them today.
His scamnesty fiasco is his problem with America, not just the right wing of the GOP; people seem to forget that that abomination was rejected by a handful of DEMOCRATS in the US Senate who were the decisive votes.
It's not just one issue with McVain, nor two, not just three, and this is the problem.
I hear everyone running their mouths about McVain being this "footsoldier" of Reagan and possessing an ACU lifetime of 82%, but what they never want to expose is the hatefilled McVain that emerged post-2000 when he began to side against conservatives on every issue of importance to them, and in a calculated campaign, and earned a 72% for all these years since. The right didn't attack McVain; he attacked the right.
When you look at McVain you have to separate the little schoolyard kid McVain that emerged after he was rejected in 2000 by the right wing of the GOP from the McVain that Reagan would recognize. In saying this, I've never heard any conservative pundit declare anything about all this years GOP candidates other than that they were all NOT Reagan. I don't know where you get you info from.
Weight the issue scales on McVain; I think even you will find them wanting. The shame is that some Republicans are content to endorse this guy for no other reason than because he is supposedly strong on defense and in his own mind has become his historical "press", and this is very dangerous.

Mc Cain Never !!!
I will support all Republican candidates with the exception of John Mc Cain. In all of my life I have never been able to support a back Stabber such as the sainted senator from Arizona.
You can talk all you want about what Mc Cain will do if elected but in my opinion with his EGO what it is he would treat his election as a mandate from the electorate that he was right in his Amnesty push as well as Mc Cain/Fiengold, and the Gang of 14. And then watch out because if you feel betrayed by the Left Turn George W. Bush took after reelection in 2004 " You Ain't Seen Nothing yet. Mc Cain will open the cupboard door for his liberal left buddies such as Kennedy, Lieberman, Ried, Schumer, and all of the Rino's in congress.
Possibly he will consider Kenneth Keating or his ghost for a Mc Cain Cabinet.

McCain won, fair and square
You conservatives sound just like Al Gore's supporters after the November 2000 election, or John Kerry's supporters after the November 2004 election. Sore losers.

McCain won fair and square. He won the primaries and caucuses that established momentum, and none of those votes was disputed. One by one, the other candidates dropped out of their own free will.

There was no "GOP machine" that rigged the contest for McCain. He got more votes than other candidates did. The rules on crossover voting, which some of you hate so much, have been in place for decades. It's a little late for you to start whining now that you don't like them.

McCain won.
You lost.
Get over it.

JerseyVet
Should God send such a miracle, I'll gladly and enthusiastically back "Huck", but as the death of McVain (and I'm in no way even wishing this on him) would bring about an open convention with a majority being unpledged delegates, there is no telling who would emerge as the GOP nominee. Duncan Hunter? I can hope. I'd even like to see Jeb Bush run against Hillary Clinton so we can put an end to this back and forth crud.

SpicyChaiLatte
Why don't you shut up? Someone ought to be knocking your own teeth out and shoving them into the back of your throat with that sort of an attitude. If anyone's blind as a bat, fat as a hog, and dumber than a cow, it's yourself pal. Your buffoonery is evidenced by your sole ability to be the little boy who cried bigot.

Do yourself a favor. Stop embarassing yourself, undermining your own guy, and shut up for Mitt's sake if no one else's.

Tea party
I understand and appreciate your fears for our service personnel in unifrom, but my fear is there with a McVain in the Whitehouse also, because I REALLY think the guy has some mental problems, and one very dangerous one is that he claims to know more than everyone on just about everything (the economy, by his own shocking admission, being the exception). I greatly fear that this "war hero" has gotten to the point in his own mind that he believes his "press" and would interfer with the military commanders in the prosecution of their jobs, to the deteriment of our troops.
McVain is a man beyond his prime time, and it is a dangerous quirk of the GOP that they have this predetermined, next in line concept of nominating. I'm not talking age, as such, many, many people age well, but I do not think McVain is one of those. He has a foul mouth reserved for anyone who has dared disagree with him; he has exhibited a vindictiveness I think goes beyond "childishness".
I am more comfortable with getting my US House district back from the Dem who stole it in 2006 and hoping many more do the same, and if the GOP can increase its position in the House and retain filibuster options in the US Senate, another Clinton seems like a Godsend because it will probably mean the GOP will reclaim majority status in the US House in 2010, and gain back losses in the US Senate from this year, and with CONSERVATIVE US SENATORS.

The Health Factor
While Mr. Stokes offers his scenarios: Here's mine:

What if McCain suffers a stroke or a medical prognosis that leaves his future very much in doubt before the Republican convention?

That would mean that Mike Huckabee is ideally positioned for the Republican nomination. That would mean the Lord has granted the Huckster his miracle.

Stranger things have happened.


And
as it's been often stated here and other TH forums, McC's age and health are a factor and it's very important that he choose the right veep. His ego probably won't admit he's not well, but his body has to be telling him more, it surely is showing as the campaign goes forward. I'd be very surprised if he finished out a term if he even gets that far. There are many who are up in age who are pictures of health, and their wisdom would be a huge asset, so it's not so much the age factor as the health.


Charlie
You are so right, we can't sit home and pout, we have to fight the battle where we can. Too much attention is concentrated on POTUS, that's just one branch of our government. The Congress is where the people are supposed to have the most power and influence, that's where we must target
our strength. I have a conservative to vote for in the House, and forgeddabout the SEnate, I have two beauts that couldn't make dogcatcher but the idiots still re elect them, when they should re call them. I am doing a lot of thinking and praying about the top of the ticket, I don't want McCain, don't want to reward him for his many betrayals. What I'm struggling with is our troops, I remember Mogahdishu very well, I sent two sons to the Navy under the Gipper and one was still in at that time. I didn't encourage my youngest to enlist because I couldn't trust the impeached perjured pervert and his minions to do everything to protect the military. I have a grandson in the Navy, probably going to Iraq, and another planning to enlist next year, plus a son in Iraq. So what would be the wisest move to
ensure what's best for them? No matter what
if the demonrats take all three, we are in for
a rough ride for at least two years. Lastly, its
time those of us who are called by His name get on our prayer bones and storm heaven.

attention Rushites!
An open letter to the Rushites, and the Coulterquists.

Please shut up about Reagan!
from an unclean republican.

I'm what was once proudly called a Reagan democrat. Remember us? We put the slide into the Reagan landslide. Ronald Reagan invited millions of Americans into his Big Tent republican party ... and we stayed. Today, the Rushites and their Imam says I'm unclean, an apostate, a McCainiac.
Can someone, anyone please tell me when Reagan became the exclusive property of the right, and our big tent a burka? I'll tell you when ... when we became a permanent minority party.
I can't help but recall the real Reagan every time the Rushites or the odd Coulterquist measure carefully for the next incarnation. I can't help but wonder if Ronald Reagan himself would past such purist muster. After all, he was 'divorced', and lived in Hollywood.
There is nothing Reaganesque or conservative about the Rushites, and the Coulterquist. These purist and their Leftist counterparts are the division and the hatred that runs right down the center of this nation. When Reagan talked about conservatism, he brought the vast majority of Americans together, not divided them into warring sects. The Rushites and the Coulterquise have their place in the arena of ideas, but they are an unmitigated disaster as the self imagined base of the republican party.

The Reagan revolution can only survive and come to fruition if republicans are the big tent party we were meant to be, not a purist crusade. Lest we forget.

dream on
Dream on.

McCain is no more likely to stand for only a single term than Stom Thurmund was likely to resign at a reasonable age.

The only solution here is NO terms for McCain. Eight years of Bush has been bad enough, with his constant pushing for amnesty for illegals and for new entitlement programs. McCain will be worse.

And do you really think McCain is level headed and smart enough to do a better job of fighting terror than Bush has? Bush has been a very bad war leader. Iran is our real enemy, not Iraq. We've allowed Iran to box us into a corner. Has McCain said anything to indicate he wants to tackle the real problem and not just continue being suckered by Iran?

If we want to block amnesty and to block entitlement programs, we're better off if the Republicans in Congress don't feel pressure to oblige the president.

And maybe four years out of office will help us rethink the war on terror, because we are not winning with the current approach.

McCain is poison. I'm voting third party.

If you don't vote McCain,
you will have NO power as conservatives or anything else.

Because you aren't going to have power with a Dem. pres. and Dem. Cong. that is going to pass the UnFairness Doctrine and tell sites like TH that Robert and King Liberal aren't making enough posts to present a "balanced" discussion.

McCain will pull independents and crossover Dems. and maybe have some coattails so the Senate at least is not entirely protected sgainst threats of minority filibuster.

Conservatives have never been able to win except through the Rep. Party, like it or not. Reagan only won his landslides because of Dems. for Reagan and indep. votes.

Otherwise, the big cities in NY, CA, and MI eat up the electoral votes for Dems.

In the long run, whatever cons. have is better slightly diluted than nonexistent. Politics is about what is possible. You can't make things possible if you withdraw to your cave and drool over your grievances. So, get out and work for McCain, send money, and vote.

renny
All Rush is saying is that if we conservatives choose McCain we as conservatives will decrease in the power we have in the republican party.I believe he is right.Its going to come down to principle or party.Right or wrong it is a choice each of us have to make.At my age 75 the party doesn't mean Sh-T to me as I never have been a pubbie party member

McCains one term presidency.
McCain for four years is four years to long.

John Bolton for President. The GOP should draft him. The Liberals refused to confirm Bolton as U.S. Ambassador because they knew he was strong and good for our country

John Bolton Yes, John McCain, No!

anti-McVain
I read these boards with fair regularity, (as well as, others...even...should I say it...Liberal driven discussion boards) and one theme that has been quite prevalent has always been the one bemoaning our two party system and how it has, and is, failing to SERVE "We, the People", but of late, with each declaration by a conservative that he/she will NOT vote McVain and calling on the "true conservatives" to bolt the GOP and form up a politcal party of their own, it seesm there is nothing but angst about how the exodus of "true" conservatives will harm the GOP and assure the Democrats a victory, and?....I want to know, and?.....how the heck do people ever expect this nation to throw off the shackles of a two party political enslavement?
The Democrats since Clinton1 have moved ever so steadily toward their Liberal base, just as the GOP has, ever so steadily, moved away from its conservative base. Liberals have no reason to bolt to a new party; they have succeeded in taking over the one they were a part of, but "true" Conservatives have very good reasons to bolt the GOP, and I would just like to suggest that like the Reagan Democrats moved to an established national party, the GOP, "true" conservatives now move to the Liberarian Party; there is little therein we would need to seek change in.
NO McVain, no way, not ever!
There is hope in down ticket races though, and All CONSERVATIVES SHOULD VOTE WISELY and elect their own to the US House and US Senate! Even if the right candidate might be the Libertarian candidate.

The CFR wins in Nov.2008 -- again!
McCain/Romney, McCain/Fla.Gov.Crist, McCain/Gingrich, McCain/Liberman, McCain/Mel.Martinez or Obama/Clinton... It seems just about any combination you put together for the ultimate choices on the Republican & Democratic tickets... the Council on Foreign Relations once again comes out the winner this November.

After Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo dropped out Ron Paul was the lone voice of sanity remaining and the media pundits and Republican Party Bosses tossed him out like you would a potato salad that was left in the sun too long.

I sure hope there's a decent Third Party candidate in November, 'cause, as it appears now, both major party candidates for president make me want to puke.

Cons. have no cover if they
don't vote McCain.

I don't care what Rush says (I don't listen to him) and can't agree with Ann here (usually I think Coulter is dead on), but cons. who take their marbles and go home in this race because they can't get a perfect cons. for a candidate--the news is no perfect conservative would ever get elected in the US--Reagan wasn't even a perfect cons.--will have no influence or power with the new administration and the nitwit idea of a "gathering of forces" as happened under Carter is not likely to repeat.

The unFairness Doctrine would kill cons. talk radio and sites like Drudge and TH, FOX would be under censorship, and how do you think cons. communications would establish any kind of "resurgence" after 8 years of Obama or Hillary?

Vote McCain and pray the Dems. do not take the election or your ideas will no longer be expressible.

A better solution
We really need a strong, conservative, third-party candidate to support. Then, the liberal vote would be split between McCain Feingold and Hillary Obama. The conservative could win. http://www.poorgrandchildren.com

Wishful Thinking
No way McCain does this. Nothing about his personality or history would lead me to believe such nonsense.

McCain
The way I see it if McCain chooses the right V.P. he may change enough minds on the right to win.Hopefully he would resign late in his tied year (bad health).This would give a step up for the pubbie V.P.especially if the world and this country did not have major problems.Remember B.C.kept putting off tough decisions.Too bad we cannot see the future.

Any promise
coming out of McVain's mouth to serve only a single term would be reversed before the next election season took hold should he be elected, just like any other promises a man like McVain might make in the course of pandering to win an election.

No Way McCain!
McCain is unfit to run - the man is emotionally unstable - where would he lead this country? No tax cuts/more amnesty? He's as big a liar as the Billary duo. McCain will keep the gates on our borders open letting terrorists through (it has been proven they've come through our southern border - one caught on the northern border) and yet we fight terrorists in Iraq? Does this make sense? Ron Paul sounds better and better every day! We should all get behind a third party. Both Dems & GOP are selling the nation down a very bad road and the media is pushing them along.

McCain may not
want to be more than a one-term pres. But a Rep. as pres., even if the current Reps. are not the dealized Reps. of 1984, IS still better than the definite Dem.:

unFairness Doctrine, that could shut you up on TH;

2 or more lib. whackos on the Sup. Ct. for LIFE;

the assumption of your entire med. history through "universal" healthcare and garnishing your salary to pay for it;

military humiliation in the Middle East, chaos (more than normal) in the ME, loss of 30% of our oil imports from the ME (think that won't cause $10 a gal. gasoline?), and a "Carter economy";

perhaps you are too young to remember Carter and 10% unemployment, 12% inflation, 18% interest rates (invented by credit cards unter Carter), revolution in Iran, and invasion in Afganistan--WHICH DIRECTLY LED TO OUR SITUATION IN THE ME TODAY!!!



McCain: The Miss Teen Of Economics?

McCain: The Miss Teen South Carolina Of Economics

This would be funny if for the fact McCain could be President!

WATCH VIDEO

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/mccain-the-miss-te en-south-carolina-of-economics


Spiceman
You didn't simply describe the Democrats - you described the GOP. And frankly, it puzzles me sometimes how partisans seem to ignore this fact. The GOP's political philosophy is also - as you state "preference and social experiment, while promoting a socialist agenda, of big government, nanny state, economy breaking policies". This is the track record of the GOP led by Bush. Nor can you deny it. Drug entitlement acts, the federalization of education, record earmarks for preferred voter groups and lobbyists, the largest expansion of the federal government in the post-war era, the largest deficits, increasingly rapid integration of the American economy into the world economy, etc., is what we have experienced. At the same time, the GOP led by Bush and McCain did everything it could to pass legislation that would have granted Amnesty to 10, 12 or even 20 million illegals in this country, and no meaningful attempt was made to either stem the flow of people across our southern borders, nor to prevent the possible entry of terrorists through those same borders.

The party you want to have may be the one that you thought you had under Reagan, but it certainly doesn't exist in Congress today. If anything, it stepped up to the plate and outdid the Democrats. As demonstrated a few days ago by the GOP leadership in the house, it has not changed. It had the opportunity to put a small government spending hawk on appropriations, and instead, it put someone whose views mirror those of the Democrats and the GOP party leadership, which is that spending and earmarks are necessary to get votes. Again, preference was clearly established for those who vote for the GOP. In sum, pay them off.

If it makes you feel good to pretend otherwise, fine. But most of us know the difference.

McCain for 4 Or 8
McCain is part of the global establishment - he is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. That group and its "theology" has promoted the destruction of our borders and manufacturing while exporting our technology. Look what it has done for our relations with China. Free trade, no outright fighting, and a debt that we can never pay. And the problem gets worse each day, a la Stimulus Package. The Democrats will make it far worse and we'll get talked to death while the illegals bury us.

DC v. Heller amici curiae brief
55 Senators signed the brief supporting Heller's case against the DC gun law which is presently before the Supreme Court. McCain signed. Obama and Clinton didn't (despite their recently professed love of the Second Amendment).

That's all I need to know.

It is difficult to exchange viewpoints
with people who think themselves clever for thinking up childish names for candidates they dislike. If you have met the man and formed a real opinion of him, that's fine, if you haven't and just enjoy the kool-aid, I would suggest you get serious, this is a battle for your way of life.

McCain will win in Nov because he is an adult with all the right experience to keep the country safe. He has also spent his entire Senate career fighting pork and special interests and has the record and "maverick" status to prove it. His loyalty and integrity are unquestioned, Obama on the other hand goes after him for not supporting the bush tax cuts, yet has no clue as to what drives an economy. he has already stated he will increase capital gains taxes, real smart move that and will surrender in Iraq and in general everywhere else, not a good position in a time of war.

he goes after Mccain for stating we might well be in Iraq for 100 years, yet neglects to mention our involvement in other places like Germany and S Korea since WW2, taking advantage of the fact that most Americans he is talking to have very little knowledge of history.

He is likened to JFK, yet kennedy blundered us into the Cuban Missile Crises with his inept handling of the Bay of Pigs and Krushev thought he could be pushed, obama is running on a platform of weakness from the gate.

Mccain should not opt for a 4 year run, this will be a long war.






James K. Polk
James K. Polk promised to serve only one term if elected, hoping that his disappointed rival Democrats would unite behind him with the knowledge that another candidate would be chosen in four years

Hey cornporn, shut up
You post the most asinine comments. Your anti-Mormon drivel deserves a swift roundhouse kick to your dentures. Oh that's right, you probably get your retirement tax-free because you are blind as bat, fat as a hog, dumber than a cow. You are a buffoon and always have been. Nobody wants to hear your crap anymore. You dismiss the tag-teaming of Mitt by the two liberals left in the race as in say, West Virginia as nothing. Well, news for you bozo breath, most conservatives don't care for the remaining two libs in the GOP race. They will have to choose among the lesser of three liberal evils come November.

Mitt just made another slick move
Spiceman writes: Sunday, February, 17, 2008 4:48AM

" I want to thank Mitt Romney for his example in giving his support to John McCain as well."

Puhleeeze...Mitt just saved himself a bundle of wasted money on attack ads, when he realized Mcain had an almost insurmountable lead.

The sly fox simply regrouped in hopes that by doing so, he has positioned himself as the presumptive 2012 GOP nominee-because he knows McCain will either be defeated, or be a one termer because of advancing age and the stresses of the job.

It was not some great selfless patriotic sacrifice for the good of the nation and the death of his Presidential aspirations-as his gullible moonstruck supporters would have you believe.


No, it's simply more of the same old Slick Mitt, who says he pulled of the road to weep when he heard the mormons decided not to be racists anymore.

It makes me want to cry every time I read this ridiculous spin of slick mitt's 2012 campaign maneuver

Good grief!


Liberals Are Afraid Of John McCain
The GOP will stand as [one], in [principle and purpose], to keep America strong, build the economy, protect the family values, and stop the liberals stonewalling.

I guess when you build your political philosophy on preference and social experiment, while promoting a socialist agenda, of big government, nanny state, economy breaking policies, makes it difficult to keep things together. The truth always prevails as will the American's truth and freedom loving people.

McCain at this point is a breath of fresh air. We are foolish if we do not recognize the value of this man. He has demonstrated to me a long awaited show of integrity and patriotic loyalty. Something that is very lacking in the Democrats. first because they want to alter the understanding of the constitution to fit their treasonous attitudes so they can transform American into a socialist/fascist state.

I Give this column 5 *****. It shows us how much they fear McCain.
McCain will win, because conservatives are more informed as are a considerable number of liberals who will not support the Democrat agenda this in November 2008. The truth, will prevail.

The GOP is health and just getting better and better, united as one nation under God indivisible with freedom, justice and truth for all. I want to thank Mitt Romney for his example in giving his support to John McCain as well.


Alton B. Parker lost the 1904
election for a reason (and I say that as he is a local Cortland, NY, hero and native)... it was his financial policy! Unfortunately, our country has a two-party system with those that throw the most money seems to win more often than not... and they seem to come from blue ribbon colleges and families, too.

Senator McCain
Senator McCain does not deserve a *first* term, nor does he deserve and only term. He is a disgrace to the state of Arizona, not to mention a disgrace to the Republican party. Just look at his voting record; that alone proves he is a Democrat running under a Republican label.

The only way I would consider voting for Senator McCain as President is if he selected a strong running mate [think Newt Gingrich or Mark Sanford], but that is unlikely. Absent that, I am voting third party this year.

GREAT!!
I think that's an excellent idea. Much of the problem in America today, even when you read most of the postings in this website, is due to excessive partisanship of the politicians in DC and in every state level. Compromise is considered an unforgivable sin.

McCain for one term, great idea!! And if you look at it from a greater context, conservatives need McCain more than he needs them. Somebody needs to stop Obama with his ultra liberal agendas at the gate of the White House.

The "suicidal" conservatives are not really conservatives, but more or less a bunch of egoistic individuals whose main objective is to go against whomever they disagree with.


McCain Next To Obama

Yes, McCain looks like a wax museum escapee next to Obama. But McCain also makes Obama look like a stupid teenager when they both talk about the issues.

Age is not the anchor around the neck that it used to be for a candidate.

The country is older and getting older all the time. Life expectency continues to rise and fewer babies are being born. It will soon make more sense to use the term "junior citizens" rather than "senior citizens".

Senior citizens are more likely to be racist and they go to the polls more than the Oprah, MTV and Nickelodean audiences (Obama's base).

McCain is a liberal nightmare and nearly the worst candidate the GOP could put forward. His nomination is a clarion call to dissolve the derailed Republican Party and create a new one as Lincoln and his allies did in 1858 when they dissolved their moribund Whig Party to create the Republican Party.

But the negatives of McCain's advanced age are offset by the negatives of Obama's inexperience and amateurism.

There is not a viable candidate left standing who does not stink to high heaven.

Obama inspires McCain retires
Please stop making these comparisons, even if thinly veiled, that somehow McCain would be like a Teddy Roosevelt presidency.

Roosevelt would have sent people to protect us on the borders. Additionally, Roosevelt had a real core set of values vs McCain. Roosevelt was a great leader in war and in life.

Obama inspires McCain retires
First, the comment that needs to be contended with in the article is "John McCain’s strengths are those of courage (bends to DEMS whims), forthrightness (Keating 5, politician), and an obvious sense of duty (self-agrandiser)" -- B.S.

This single term idea would devastate conservatives and the party.

Sadly, I can actually see GRAMPS McCain do this. It would go to prove that this is only about GRAMPS and his ego. Little to no real work to improve such a behemoth as the US govt can really occur in 4 years.

As an immediate lame duck pres. nothing would get done, except put GRAMPS in the oval office with the title CIC.

actually there is a McBFFL7 &8out there
I remember now, McBitch Flying Fig Leaf 7 was "McSame the Representative Rogue Elephant"
"The company store" approach which is the name that will probably stick. "You buy what we sell at our price and shut up and like it, be glad you GOT a party, I mean job." The Robber Barons stifling dissent and competition in the Conservative Free Gilt Bird Cabin GOP.

Number 8 was "The Rank and File Have Spoken" shut up and get back in the rumpup line you uppity Radio Following, "right wing" "evangelical" Field Hands you! Similar to the Company Store #7, but with a distinctive Abusive Spouse approach. You are nothing without us, just like adulterous, unfaithful, abusive, Power Drunk spouses always talk to their victims. Note the same abusive language as the commiequeers use, makes you wonder WHO these abusers REALLY identify with.

the big mick

SJDoc
got to hit the hay, but there is damn little to disagree with in your 1:34 post. Well said too.

Though I am now, being more poetical, calling the Gilt Bird Cabin Rockyfella Republicans,
Robber Baron GOPpers.

And I agree, Conservatives have LOST already, NEITHER Candidate or Party offers us diddly.

Socialism LIte the slower deadlier poison, or Sociaism Straight.

I've made a case elsewhere on TH that Hillybama is actually the LESSER evil, with a HOPE of allergic vomitous reaction before the Fatal Dose of Socialism is absorbed.

That and the idea that Staying the Course on the Eastern Front doesn't MATTER when the Southern and Home Fronts have been surrendered.

Until somebody comes up with a better argument than McBitch Flying Fig Leaves 1-6, Big Mack, 4/5
Pound McServative, Hillybama is Worse, Good of the Party, The Old geezer can't hurt anything in one term, and Dead Hand of History,--I see it as my Conservative Duty to the Republic to Vote for Hillybama the lesser evil with the hope of seeds of future victory.

big mick

MacVClinton=DoleVClinton
Mac is old, old school, backward looking, stay the course grumpy, slow, stove up.
WHITE haired for pete's sake. Hillybama is younger, youthful, new school, foward looking, hopeful, energetic prophets of change in an age of change.

Mac is Nixon, they got the black JFK.

Mac is Dole the lesser, they got MRS. Bill Clinton--and that play worked HOW well last time? And we gonna run it again?

It makes one wonder if the Establishment Party Machine Bosses SO FEARED an anti-amnesty candidate that they would rather LOSE the election than risk getting one. So instead of nominataing a candidate who could WIN by triangulating hillybama on the WRONG side of 70% of the Electorate on Immigration, THEY pick the ONE guy who wrote the damn bill on HER WRONG side of the ISSUE!

the big mick

McCain's ''strength'' is...
--
...the fact that his A-4 got shot out of the sky over Hanoi and he survived both his injuries and nearly six years in North Vietnamese captivity.

He's had a long coast on the strength of that push, and if it takes him into the White House in January next year, it'll only be because the Democrats he's facing will have destroyed themselves.

Funny thing is that in an article where Mr. Stokes condemns the "HUBRIS" of reelected presidential predecessors, there's nothing but bombast and arrogance propelling McCain toward the Republican nomination this year, and while there's no risk of that petering out, there's not a hound's chance in hell that it's going to do the GOP any good.

The prime probability is that McCain is going to "do a Dole" and give the Republican Party a soggy repeat of '96.

The lower-order potential is even worse.

He gets into office and "Herbert Hoovers" the country, "stimulating" and generally fumblegrapping a routine corrective recession into something that the Democrats will exploit with a 21st Century "New Deal" the likes of which will prove even more disastrously fascist than the one that FDR inflicted on our parents.

I really don't mind seeing Ron Paul proven right.

But do we have to pay such a horrible price before you goddamned "Rockefeller Republicans" come to your senses and acknowledge that fact?

--

bebblebrox
Actually I think it is SLICK the Rapist in Chief who might want to consider if he is in line to be a Dead Prez Walking. Hilly is BEHIND and the ONLY Kennedy Shtick (remember JFK's actual KIN are AGIN her) Hilly AIN'T done is "Widow Grieving Over Fallen Hero"--now THERE are some tears worth a BUNCH of votes.

If Bama comes close to sewing it up, watch your back, Slick. WHO, exactly are ALL your SS detail LOYAL to? Remember poor old Vince Foster who KNEW "no one will believe the Clintons and their loyal staff." Wonder what Craig Livingston is up to these days? And didn't Cabinet Member Brown go down under less than clear circumstances? There were more than Lost Files buried around WhiteWater too, weren't there?

you right though on the too friggin old.
tale of the tape below.

mick

McBFFL 3&4
Ahh! I remember now McBitch Flying Fig Leaf 3 should be Hilly bama is WORSE. I have cogently demostrated elsewhere on TH and often that that AIN'T so--mac is the surer slower more deadly poison of Socialism Lite that accustoms the victim as we have been being accustomed. One more step down the McSame Road to the Socialist Abyss we stand at the threshold of). Hillybama is Socialism Straight and has the HOPE of provoking an allergic reaction that chokes the victim and causes vomiting before the Fatal Dose is absorbed--NO hope of that with Mac the Knife.
Logically, then, it is the Duty of Conservatives to the Republic to vote for Hillybama--the actual LESSER of the two evils that contains a HOPE of future salvation and victory.

McBitch Flying Fig Leaf 4 was "The Good of the Party" with lots of dire historical warnings about how we Conservatives will die on our own.

More controlling language from our Power Drunk, unfaithful, adulterous, ABUSIVE spouses in the GOP. Abusers always talk to their victim like that.

Time for a Divorce, we got grounds on Abandonment too!

the big mick

Does he need to make this promise?
I don't think he needs to say anything about doing only 4 years. THIS IS A GIVEN. McCain will not last even 2 years in the WH before keeling over. This is why indies and Dems who voted for him in NH and SC will not vote for him in the general. HE's TOO FRIGGIN OLD!

The base won't vote for him, as has been debated ad infinitum, because he's a lib.

So the only way he gets the nod is if he selects a running mate like JC Watts and then promises to go the way of previous sitting senators who have been elected to the White House.



McServative the 4/5's Pounder
Yeah it is extra lean, cut spending, line item veto (SURE he's gonna get THAT) 85% Conservative Beef! Unfortunately McServative's NON-Conservative 15% just happens to be on the MOST VITAL Conservatie issues--Judges, Taxes, Energy, McFeingeld, Shamnesty, listed above--Keye's points out how Mac the Knife has stabbed ALL of us in the back. Me, I figure I STILL ain't eatin a 15% Dogsheite Brownie, 85% pure or no.

McBitch Flying Fig Leaf 3&4 I can't remember now.
GOT to get a cataloger type on this.

5&6 we been thru above.

mick

to review
McBitch Flying Fig Leaf ONE (1) is "The Big Mack"
2 all beef patties special sauce lettuce cheese pickles onyons on a sesame seed bun.

The two all American beef patties are WarHero and Leader--that's the First Flying Fig Leaf--Mac the Warleader Hero of the Hanoi Hilton---elect him prez and we win Vietnam as well as Iraq---besides like Dole he "knows how to lead" and "it's his turn". You WILL not ask WHERE he will lead us, you're not on the need to know.

Unfortunately The Big Mac COMES with (and you can't HOLD nothing, NO special orders) Special McFeingeld and No Tax Cuts Sauce, Mexican Let Us Shamnesty, Cheesey Gang of 14, Sour Pickles, nOnYon Drilling in Anwr, all on a SAYS ME, bun.

McBitch Flying Fig Leaf 2 is the 4/5's Pound McServatative.

More on that below.
the big mick

Damn, Davy, another McBFFL!
but I ain't sure of the NUMBER--somebody's GOT to take over the Cataloging of all the McBitch Flying Fig Leaves who is better organized than me. I am pretty sure BOTH arguments Davie advances here showed up earlier today on TH and became McBitch Flying Fig Leaf 5 and 6. McBFFL5 is "He's so Old he's only gonna last one term, what harm can the old geezer do?"
The originator missed the A rating for his McBFFL5 because it is BAD strategy to remind us the OLD Mac is sure to Lose to the YOUTHful Hillybama. Makes us wonder WHY the Establishment Party Machine Bosses were so desparate to avoid a anti-amnesty candidate that they picke a LOSER who WROTE shamnesty just so we couldn't GO there. It was the winning issue we triangulate hillybama on the WRONG side of 70% on the electorate so the GOP chose the ONE guy who was on the WRONG side of the WINNING issue WITH her! What's taht tell ya?

So the earlier guy got a B, McBFFL5b, cause he WAS plausible and fairly cogent in a fauxlogic kind of way. So Davy gets a McBFFL5b here as well. Davy missed the usual downgrade to a C rating that most un-originalists get, because his Historical Analysis was interesting in a faux-applicable sort of way. A very solid McBFFL5b, Davy, congratulations. And congratulations too on your
McBFFL6 b. "The Verdict of History". You miss the A cause it weren't original, plus Mac ain't no Teddy, not by a long chalk, but you miss the C cause it WAS interesting, McBFFL6b--congrats!

STILL ain't gonna vote for the ysob as I have explained elsewhere on TH--hilly is actually the LESSER evil.

the big mick
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