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Friday, June 12, 2009
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
From the Battlefield to the Courtroom
by David Limbaugh
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During the presidential campaign, when some warned against Barack Obama's soft approach to the war on terror, I doubt they had any idea he would greatly exceed their worst expectations. But he has.

A common refrain of the Bush administration and its defenders in the prosecution of the war was that prior to the 9/11 attacks, the American government had been treating Islamo-terrorism as a law enforcement problem. The 9/11 attacks forced us, kicking and screaming, into the realization that the Islamo-jihadists were indeed in a war with us and that we would have to wage war against them, as well.

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This new approach seemed to have been accepted as a necessity by both parties, and the nation united -- temporarily, at least -- around our new policy to adopt a proactive and comprehensive military approach to fight terrorism. For a time, we achieved a degree of bipartisanship on such ideas as breaking down the forced walls of separation imposed by the Clinton administration that discouraged our intelligence agencies from sharing information on terrorist activities.

Before long, though, Democrats reverted to their perennial practice of politicizing every exploitable issue and began systematically attacking and undermining our newfound war-oriented approach. They began their specious assaults, in the name of protecting the privacy of U.S. citizens, against the various programs we were using to monitor terrorists and prevent future attacks.

Their war against the war included criticizing the National Security Agency's terrorist surveillance program, which they slandered as "domestic spying," the NSA's tracking "data mining" of terrorist calls to and from the United States, and the administration's Terrorist Finance Tracking Program. In all these cases, their claims were eventually shown to be overblown at best -- and trumped-up at worst.

They also began a smear campaign against the administration, our military and the CIA concerning our treatment of enemy combatant detainees being held in Guantanamo Bay. This mania reached its nadir with Sen. Dick Durbin's likening our treatment of Gitmo prisoners to that of the Nazis, the "Soviets in their gulags" and Pol Pot.

But when four senators visited the prison -- two Democrats, Ron Wyden and Ben Nelson, and two Republicans, Jim Bunning and Michael D. Crapo -- they came back telling quite a different story. Nelson said: "Everything we heard about operations there in the past, we'd have to say, was negative. What we saw firsthand was something different."

A House delegation made similar findings in 2005, with Rep. Joe Wilson reporting, "The detainees' meal was as good as any I had in my 31 years of Army Guard service, and I can see why the prisoners this year gained five pounds over last year."

But never mind the facts. Undeterred, presidential candidate Obama promised to close Gitmo (with little opposition from Sen. McCain), though he had no plans for the relocation of the prisoners. He also campaigned hard against the Bush administration's allegedly abusive war policies, though he vehemently denied he would return America to a pre-9/11 mindset or to having a law enforcement approach against jihadists.

But since taking office, he has done just that. I know, I know … even some conservative wishful thinkers have been led to believe Obama "gets it" because, despite his bluster, he has retained the NSA surveillance program and military tribunals with only cosmetic changes.

I have difficulty understanding their optimism, in view of Obama's encouragement of Iran's nuclear aspirations; his steadfast determination to close Gitmo, though still having no plan for prisoner relocation; his Cairo speech, evidencing his preferential sympathy for Palestinians over Israelis, with his cynical equating of the Holocaust with Palestinian dislocation; his refusal to denounce Islamic terrorism; his attempt to delegitimize the Jews' entitlement to their land; and his astounding sugarcoating of Muslim intolerance.

It is equally mystifying that Obama's apologists overlook his callously euphemistic substitutions of "overseas contingency operations" for "war on terror" and "man-caused disasters" for "terrorist attacks" and his release of classified CIA "torture memos" for enemy consumption over the objections of his own intelligence officials.

But this very week, Obama has outdone himself. There are reports that his Justice Department has quietly ordered the FBI to give Miranda warnings to enemy combatants captured at war in Afghanistan. This, after Obama mocked Sarah Palin's campaign prediction that he would do this and his similar denial to "60 Minutes'" Steve Kroft.

Is this new approach to the war, er, overseas contingency operations, what Obama means by promoting our shared values? Do our shared values include treating terrorists like victims and putting Americans' security at risk?

What in the world is Obama thinking? What evidence is available to him, other than perhaps a hyper-narcissistic delusion that he can tame murderous terrorists with a speech, to justify his radical softening of our life-and-death struggle against Islamo-terrorism?

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GOD CAN DO ANYTHING
His supporters called him "The One".

His media lackeys call him "GOD".

Uh...did I hear a lib say "GOD?".

The question of the day is:

WHAT KIND OF GOD DO THEY BELIEVE IN?

OR WHAT KIND OF GOD IS THIS?

ROWDY BOOTS

It's about judgement and reason
Just as lawyers have succeeded in removing judgement and reason from the jury room, they now seek to remove them from government. In both cases, the ultimate goal is to make us more dependent on LAWYERS. Their goal is not the well-being of a government, a legal system, or a victim - they could care less about that. Their goal is more power and money for themselves.

Obama wants to codify all government and all actions, thereby making it impossible to deny him and his minions anything.

It is rooted in the concept
of being "brought to justice". When President Bush said that about Bin Laden, no doubt a lot of people were thinking "trial". Now to some it might have been a Nurenberg (sp) trial for war criminals, to others it might have been a criminal court.

I like to think that the President was referring to "Western Justice" as in "get a rope".

As a vet, I am pretty sure that if I had been told that I would have to read Miranda rights (didn't exist when I was at war) to any prisoners I captured that I probably wouldn't have captured any. As a matter of fact there were battles in both WWII and Vietnam in which "take no prisoners" was part of the battle plan. That is the nature of war.


Sandy
Good post. I look for increasing numbers of real military, to retire or not re-up while this "commander-in-chief" is in office.

Battlefield to Courtroom
The basic flaw with the argument which the Democrats put forward is this. These people have declared war on Democracy and the West in general and the US in particular, if they have committed a crime it is against Humanity and should be dealt with by something similar to Nuremburg. The difficulty with that is they are not soldiers of a country and are not uniformed and therefore do not enjoy the safeguards of the Geneva convention. The other problem, from the Democrats position is that they were not detained by Law Enforcement but by Military Authorities in a combat situation. They are therefore, as I understand it, not entitled to either the Miranda caution OR protection under the American Constitution especially since they were detained thousands of miles from any American territory.

I have to ask do Pelosi et al really want to defeat the Islamic Jihadists OR do they want to surrender? On present showing I think, unfortunately, it is the latter and that endangers us all whether in America or elsewhere.

Religous Freedom and the Constitution
The answer to our financial situation is found in the United States Constitution and can be rectified by an Executive Order. The Government is empowered to print their own currency, not the privately owned Federal Reserve.
How can the United States Trust in God, without supporting Israel? Doesn't our President understand Israel is God's chosen people? As for his pre election claims of not being Muslim, his actions support a different conclusion, one of support, some may consider his actions one of treason. Truthfully, I believe his intent is to bankrupt the United States, something our enemies have failed to accomplish.

Battlefield to Courtroom
The ultimate courtroom belongs to God! Denying Christ Jesus is not a smart move, nor is being a Democrat if one thinks about it! Has Congress defied the 10 Commandments? What about their sworn oath to defend the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic?
The question now becomes who is America's true enemy, if not Congress itself. The financial woes we as a Nation face, was caused by a Democratic Congress the last two years of the Bush Administration. The collapse Politically expedient for the Democratic Party.
As for the Miranda Rights given terrorist, when did they become citizens of these United States? Did our soldier's receive any special rights when captured, other than torture and death? Personally I believe in NAPALM, psychologically and tactically effective. Even medically approved in preventing the spread of disease. That should make the World Health Organization happy!

What in the world is Obama thinking?
He's thinking as the Muslim he is and how he will bring about the downfall of American from within.

Just another example.

Just one more example proving Obama was not ready to be President on Day One.

IRAN'S PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Today the democratic people of the Islamic Republic of Iran hold the 10th presidential election in history. Click my name for my infallible prediction.

It is always difficult to surrender
Passions tend to run high in life/death situations. One of the few reasons a soldier engaged in gunfire and explosives might hold fire against a surrendering enemy is the notion that useful information might be the result. With this option gone, why would any sane GI engage a shooting enemy and then accept his surrender after he runs out of ammo, or finds himself in parlous circumstance. I predict the number of new prisoners will decline.

Yeah but
Shep Smith says those of us who say he's not legally the Prez are "crazies"..so who are we to question the 'god' when he decides to mirandaize the enemies of this country. How many of our people will be killed because of this? How many of our troops will be killed or wounded? It's pretty bad when our military has two enemies to be watchful for..the enemies in front with the lethal weapons and the enemy at their back..the so called president of the U.S. and his Democrat Congressional cabal. Which enemy is the more dangerous?

The FBI
I have a question. What in the world is the FBI doing, placing their agents in a war zone in a foreign country? Do they think they'll find some bad check artist, car thief, embezzler or possibly some "federal fugitive" there?

They have no business being IN a war zone. If I'm not mistaken, their job is chasing "criminals", not terrorists on the battlefield.

As far as reading terrorists their "Miranda" rights, I have the perfect solution.
Let's "embed" all of those ACLU types who are supporting providing terrorists their rights under Miranda with the front line units of the Army, Marines, Special Forces, etc., in Afghanistan and Iraq. Put them out in front of the military on their special missions. However, do NOT provide them with bullet proof vests, helmets or any other physical protective equipment; just provide them with a manual that has the "Miranda Warning" printed in it. I'm sure the terrorists will know that they are there to protect the rights of the terrorists and will be careful not to shoot them or cut off their heads, or any other parts of their bodies.

A few apt quotes:
"The Obama administration's first few months already provide compelling evidence of the enormous costs of embracing the alternative world view of the European and American left."

"Conservative foreign policy is unabashedly pro-American, unashamed of American exceptionalism, unwilling to bend its knee to international organizations, and unapologetic about the need for the fullest range of dominant military capabilities. It's diplomacy is neither unilateralist or multilateralist, but chooses it strategies, tactics, means and methods based on a level headed assessment of U.S. national interests, not on theologies about process."

Most especially, conservatives understand that allies are different from adversaries, and that each should be treated accordingly."

John Bolton 6/10/09

Obama is a massive disgrace and should be impeached as a traitor to our country. Making our soldiers read the Miranda Rights to Islamic terrorists. OMG!!! Obama: the most disgraceful, un-American, closet Muslim, deceiving tyrant the U.S.A. has ever had the misfortune of electing president. What has happened to this country????

Anthony in MO at 7:45

Love it! "[E]mbed all those ACLU types . . . with the front lines . . . ." What an absolutely MARVELLOUS idea!!!

It wouldn't surprise me at all, had the Obamunist been President at the end of WWII instead of Truman, if, had we captured all of them, he would have ordered Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo Mirandized. Fortunately, in the cases of Hitler and Mussolini, the one comitted suicide and the other was virtually torn to pieces by a mob before being strung up by the heels from a lamp post. Only in the case of Tojo was there a trial before he was executed.

Frank in OH @ 4:52 a.m. makes the excellent point that those we have captured in THIS war are not eligible for protection under the Geneva Conventions. Since that is the case, why not simply stand 'em up against a wall and shoot 'em?

David
"...Is this new approach to the war, er, overseas contingency operations, what Obama means by promoting our shared values? Do our shared values include treating terrorists like victims and putting Americans' security at risk?..."

Guess what, results matter. The conservative approach did not work and terrorists became stronger and the US more at risk. The "war on terror" was pathetically sad from the gitgo. Terror is a tactic and having a war against a tactic has zero meaning. Conservatives even made the critical mistake of ennobling criminals as warriors and recognizing their cause as legitimate enough to threaten a world power. The return to proven approaches and tactics by the Obama administration is already producing results and should continue to do so. Since the failed Bush regime allowed the dispersion of criminal terrorists this effort may take years but while we can expect continued attacks ala' the communist terrorists groups of the 70s and 80s the actual threat will be dying out

Are Miranda Rights the first step...
in Obama's wish to make the USA (his words) " one of the largest Muslim countries in the world?"

"to achieve this objective it would be necessary first to bring about a 'transformation of national consciousness' to create a state of indifference or passivity which would go along with a large-scale Islamic immigration to America--as was the case in Europe. A radical program of changing the population balance in America could easily
destabilize middle-class democracy."

...In order to "pave the way for sweeping radical change... President Obama is endeavoring to up grade the status of this (Muslim) minority, to make it 'more equal' than others, and thus to rearrange the basic and traditional structure of American society. (Does this sound like the remaking of America to anyone?) This project represents a danger to democracy in America and could ultimately destroy the fabric of its society and public life, quickly and permanently."

From an essay on da'wa/ future Muslim dominance for America " President Obama's Plans For America -The Cairo Subtext" by Dr. Joel Fishman. 6/11/09

Barbara
"Date: Jun 12, 2009 - 8:29 AM EST
Are Miranda Rights the first step...
in Obama's wish to make the USA (his words) " one of the largest Muslim countries in the world?"..."

Hateful lies like this are what winds up the haters to kill. Is this what you want?

Hal Doofus Covers Himself Again 8:20am
"The return to proven approaches and tactics by the Obama administration is already producing results and should continue to do so."

Yes these "proven approaches and tactics" are sure producing results Doofus. (They were used by Jimmy Carter and we all know how that turned out.) Iran is about to produce a nuclear weapon. North Korea is about to test another nuclear weapon. Great Results!

"Since the failed Bush regime allowed the dispersion of criminal terrorists this effort may take years but while we can expect continued attacks ala' the communist terrorists groups of the 70s and 80s the actual threat will be dying out"

I am so glad that you "hedged your bets" Doofus. Not only do you ADMIT we "can expect continued attacks"; but you also ADMIT we can also expect these attacks to continue for "years".

Did you ever study military history Doofus? The US Military had these terrorist groups on the "ropes". Now O'Vomit and the Democraps are about to "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory".

Nice going Doofus. I didn't think you could spin "defeat" into a "political platform".

A little contex on the wall
of seperation. If memory serves me the wall was put up by Clinton pal Jamie Gorelick sometime during the 1996 campaign. It's purpose was to prevent the CIA and domestic intelligence agencies from sharing information. Why? Because Clinton and the DNC were being investigated for knowingly accepting Chinese campaign contributions at that time. By preventing the CIA from sharing information about China from the FBI, Clinton was able to hinder the FBI's investigation. This investigation caused Louie Freeh to urge Janet Reno to appoint an independent counsel to investigate Clinton. Freeh testified that the public knew only about "1 percent" of what the FBI knew about Chinagate. The boy president, in search of a legacy, may have found one-he enabled the terrorist to attack the US because he needed to protect his own narcissist butt. And don't forget his sending Sandy Berger into the national archieves to steal documents related to 9/11 as congress was investigating it. And who sat on the 9/11 comission? Jamie Gorelick.

giving Miranda rights
to terrorists does not keep us safe. Giving them Miranda rights ensures that they will not talk at the time when they are most able to give us timely intelligence. I hope the messiah saved some of the stimulus money for the lawyers we are now required to provide the islamofascist baaastards.

Gray Ghost
"Date: Jun 12, 2009 - 8:48 AM EST
Hal ....; Covers Himself Again 8:20am
"The return to proven approaches and tactics by the Obama administration is already producing results and should continue to do so."

Yes these "proven approaches and tactics" are sure producing results ... (They were used by Jimmy Carter and we all know how that turned out.)..."

See here is the lie and by the way Reagan used the same approach with great success. I was assigned to VP Bush's counter terrorism group way back then.

"... Iran is about to produce a nuclear weapon. North Korea is about to test another nuclear weapon. Great Results!"

These are THE results of the bush regimes failed policies too bad they were so incompetent

"Since the failed Bush regime allowed the dispersion of criminal terrorists this effort may take years but while we can expect continued attacks ala' the communist terrorists groups of the 70s and 80s the actual threat will be dying out"

I am so glad that you "hedged your bets" .... Not only do you ADMIT we "can expect continued attacks"; but you also ADMIT we can also expect these attacks to continue for "years"."

Sadly yes. I hate to break it to you but there are bad people in this world. The problem I have is the failed Bush policies created more such people over a wider area.

"...Did you ever study military history...? The US Military had these terrorist groups on the "ropes"..."

Extensively and no the military never had them on the "ropes". The military was forced to let them go in order to go attack the dictator Saddam who was little threat to anyone.

We are finally attacking Al Q and the terrorists who attacked the US on 9/11. This is a major change that will produce results.

traitorbill
"Date: Jun 12, 2009 - 9:06 AM EST... to provide the islamofascist ######."

This my be your and all the other reactionaries problem, heck it could be the reason Bush failed; you did not know your enemy. There is no such thing as "islamofascist".

Hal - Lord of the Drones
Whenever I read one of your posts, one question repeatedly comes to mind--"What the $&%# are you talking about?"

To wit:
"The conservative approach did not work and terrorists became stronger and the US more at risk."

As exemplified by the numerous attacks we've suffered since 9/11?

"The return to proven approaches and tactics by the Obama administration is already producing results and should continue to do so."

Proven? Proven to be idiotic. Results? What results? Again, what the %$#@& are you talking about?

"Since the failed Bush regime allowed the dispersion of criminal terrorists this effort may take years but while we can expect continued attacks ala' the communist terrorists groups of the 70s and 80s the actual threat will be dying out"

First, some punctuation might make this nonsense at least readable. Secondly, if we can expect continued attacks (unlike during the "failed" Bush "regime"), how can you plausibly claim the actual threat will be dying out? Based on what? Wishful thinking? "Hope?"

Where do you come up with this crap? Are these regurgitated talking points from some lefty blog or musings from your 4 candle-watt brain?


How about...
simply putting the terrorists in "time out?" Or counting to three? If that doesn't work, give them a stern talking to.

Adopt a terrorist
If libs (such as hal) are so concerned for the terrorists, why don't they take a few in to live with them?

Rock Strongo
"Date: Jun 12, 2009 - 9:17 AM EST
Hal -....To wit:
"The conservative approach did not work and terrorists became stronger and the US more at risk."

As exemplified by the numerous attacks we've suffered since 9/11?.."

No as exemplified by the Taliban and Al Q being positioned to gain control of both Afghanistan and Nuclear Pakistan and then there is Somalia and Yemen... Why ever would they attack the US? The US under the failed Bush was doing everything that the terrorists wanted us to do

"The return to proven approaches and tactics by the Obama administration is already producing results and should continue to do so."

Proven? Proven to be idiotic. Results? What results? Again, what the %$#@& are you talking about?"

Proven by US and allies successful operations against communist inspired terrorists etc. Counterterrorism is not rocket science. Thank goodness the American voter forced the failed Bush regime to stop "staying the course" and let Petraeaus actually implement proven principals.

"....Secondly, if we can expect continued attacks (unlike during the "failed" Bush "regime"), how can you plausibly claim the actual threat will be dying out? Based on what? Wishful thinking? "Hope?"..."

Look at the current attacks in the US by religious and anti government extremists. These are increasing because they realize that their cause is lost. It is a death spasm. There are indeed bad people out there we must shut them down. The Bush regime let them go. The US's biggest mistake was to turn its back on Pakistan and Afghanistan after the defeat of the USSR we allowed extremism to gain a foothold,

"...Where do you come up with this crap? Are these regurgitated talking points from some lefty blog or musings from your 4 candle-watt brain?"

Over thirty years international experience in the civilian and military worlds

Why do
Americans listen to libs? Do they have a need to be punished? The "one" is to wet behind the ears to be POTUS. Well 2010, 2012 are closer every day.
Kirk

hal
what do you think the "one" will do in Pakistan? How will he keep the bad guys from the bomb? Do you think he will bomb, or invade?
Kirk

Calling it war does not make it war.
Resistance to terrorism is not war. Pursuit, apprehension and prosecution of terrorists is not war.

It is odd that the same people who become hysterical over the government's redefinition of marriage, willing bend over and take one for the team when the same government redefines war. Of the two issues only the latter one actually has any effect on our society.

Two gays pretending to be married is only likely to bring snickers from the majority of Americans. No one, other than a very few sexually obsessed TH posters, are likely to change their sexual orientation just because the government says gays can marry. However, when the top management of government pretends that war can be declared against a tactic, the results are calamitous. The Constitution is shredded, Rights are trampled, America's prestige is diminished,and true Americans are disabused of their respect for their own country.

Barack Obama's Rules of Engagement

Soldier to Captured Islamic Terrorist:
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Sir, You have the right to remain silent or, if you want, shout Allahu Akbar in a maniacal voice.

Anything you say will be used against the United States by left-wing radical groups and the mainstream media.

You have the right to use an ACLU attorney in bringing a frivolous lawsuit against the American government.

If you cannot afford an attorney, the American taxpayers whom you haven't yet killed, will pay for one.

If you do not understand these rights, you will be given a chance to sue us later for your failure to do so.

Our Commander in Chief, Barack Obama, wants us to make sure you get back into the Combat Zone as soon as possible - be patient and work with us and you should be killing us or planting IED's by tomorrow.

Kirk
"Date: Jun 12, 2009 - 10:24 AM EST
hal
what do you think the "one" will do in Pakistan? How will he keep the bad guys from the bomb? Do you think he will bomb, or invade?.."

Do you only listen to FOX opinion channel? The Pakistani military is moving effectively after meetings with all levels of the Obama Administration. We are finally directing enough force into Afghanistn to try and turn that around and Al Q operatives are starting to bail out for Yemen and Somalia. There are good things happening. Will their be setbacks? More than likely but at least we are now taking action and evaluating results something not done by the failed Bush regime

GrayGhost-RGeek-Rock-Rowly-Others
Already 1 soldier has been killed and 1 wounded on US SOIL by a Murdering Muslim Animal. I wonder MORE American Soldiers AND Civilians will die due to the COWARDICE and INCOMPETENCE of the Sail Eared Simpleton of a Gutless Momma’s Boy that Moronic Liberal Imbeciles elected POTUS.

I Feel YA!!
Mr. Limbaugh. I feel Rush, Hannity, Ann, and Michelle too. If what you highlighted was not enough already, our President, is set to sign HR 1256, and he is a Smoker (Except during the Presidential campaign when he was trying to quit to get elected, wink..wink). The President is going to sign into law 20 Years of Hate, Deception, and Lies by members of Congress. Since as far as I am concerned, TH.COM, is the greatest, I would like commenters to tell me if they have ever seen one "Death Certicate" that stated the "Cause of Death...SMOKING" and signed by a MD. Mr. Limbaugh I believe the hypocrisy you exposed is about a day or two from being outdone.

Hal Doofa$$
"See here is the lie and by the way Reagan used the same approach with great success. I was assigned to VP Bush's counter terrorism group way back then"

WOW! Kind of points to you as being part of the failure! Obviously, your input wasn't worth any more there than it is here. No wonder Bush's policies failed if he had you undermining his efforts behind the scenes, you freaking traitor!!

Call the House Speaker Pelosi
Stop the release of the torture photos and the push for Universal Health Care. 1-202-225-0100.

Joel
My best friend, retired Lt. Colonel, marines, has been unofficially "drafted" by the local VFW to lead if push comes to shove.

On another note, why not write "Miranda" on all bullets and deliver them to the appropriate "combatents?"

Exodus or Exit?
Miranda should be read to Obama and he should remain silent until proven innocent. This junior president needs prospective about how the Islamo-terrorist has sworn to kill Americans. Why would any rational person want to tie the hands of the solders with a “may I” directive that can and will jeopardize there mission. Does he think that this tactic of reading Miranda in a red zone is good? Next I can see that all flack jackets will come with a bull’s eye painted on it in day glow paint in the spirit of outreach and peace.

Let’s face it Barack Insane Obama hates the United States and is, contrary to all liberal arguments, a racist who hates whites, yellows, and also blacks. I find this deplorable for such a person to represent our country with so shallow under the surface hatred for the American People, who he has swarmed to protect. No wonder there is so much descent starting to build. Only 3 ½ years to go is not the correct prospective though for by that time BHO will have alienated the people of the world against the US, bankrupt the country, and run our credit rating to as low it could ever go to create a welfare state.

I think
He sees himself as leader of the world and his headquarters is the United States.



Battlefield to Courtroom (Eternal)
Imagine a President with a red button, able to resolve the situation of terrorism simply by giving these rogue nations' the option to live or glow in the dark! Religious freedom or abuse comes with a price, consider the Crusades, now consider the Arian Race proposed during WW II, what is so different now? The people's of the World need to recognize the true threat to their religious freedoms, starting with questioning the alligence of our newly elected President, is he Muslim or American with American values? When was he in the Military, who financed his education, and where was he actually born? Surely not at a Naval Hospital in Panama! Could it have been Kenya?

Georgetwin
"Date: Jun 12, 2009 - 10:59 AM EST
GrayGhost-RGeek-Rock-Rowly-Others
Already 1 soldier has been killed and 1 wounded on US SOIL by a Murdering Muslim Animal. I wonder MORE American Soldiers AND Civilians will die ..."

Well with you reactionaries stirring up religious and government extremists and hate groups it seems quite a few more until you folks burn yourselves out. Keep firing up these religious extremists like those that killed the doctor and the soldier. But you know that...

Suggested Miranda Warning for Soldiers
SUGGESTED U.S. SOLDIER’S MIRANDA WARNING

You have the right to remain silent, and probably will be silent after I shoot you.

Anything you say can and will be used against you in our barracks later as we laugh our seats off about how you cried like a little girl and wet your pants when you saw us coming.

You have the right to speak to an attorney before you enter the battlefield, and to have an attorney present during your burial.

If you cannot afford a lawyer, it won’t matter because you will be dead, a bullet having been provided for you at government expense.

Why Mirandizing is a bad idea
First, you have to make sure that the "detainee" understands the warning. Do we now have to have a translator with every soldier or Marine on the battlefield?

Second, you are required to Mirandize only when you are going to question the suspect about the charge. When would that happen? On the battlefield? At headquarters? What charge will there be? Attempted murder? Insurrection? What would we be charging these terrorists with?

Third, Once you tell these terrorists they can remain silent they will clam up, lawyer up, and won't say a damned thing, so there will go any intelligence-gathering right down the drain, thus harming our war efforts.

Fourth, if you want to bring these terrorists to trial in any court you must present the witness or witnesses to their actions. After all, if we are now giving Constitutional rights to foreign terrorists don't they have the right to face their accusers? That means the military will have to find the soldier or soldiers who witnessed their acts. Once they are brought in to testify their faces are known and they are now targets for any whacked-out, nut-job Islamofascist (Yes, Hal, I said ISLAMOFASCIST. If you don't like it, bite me) terrorist that wants to take them out, thus putting not only them but their familes at risk.

Fifth, what happens if, God forbid, they are found not guilty? Are they put out on our streets, free to work their devilry? Are they returned to their home countries? Are they returned to the battlefields where they were captured, given a pat on the head, and told "Sorry about that"?

Best way to avoid all this--take no prisoners.

He's still doing it
I see Happy hal the Socialist's Pal is still wearing out his macros for "reactionary/ies". "failed Bush, and "LMAO". He really needs to get a new schtick, those are getting very boring.

Maybe it will be a blessing
in disguise.

Think of all the useless trial lawyers who can be sent into the line of fire to take evidence and defend charges who are constantly trying to slit their lawyers' throats.

Hal Doofus Makes Mistakes Again 2:05pm
"Well with you reactionaries stirring up religious and government extremists and hate groups it seems quite a few more until you folks burn yourselves out. Keep firing up these religious extremists like those that killed the doctor and the soldier. But you know that..."

Yes Doofus, we do know that Liberals are "firing" up all types of extremists, even Liberal extremists. And we do know that people like yourself bare 99% of the burden of guilt in the killing of a young soldier and an abortion doctor.

BUT YOU KNOW THAT....

You see Doofus, with you and your Liberal "comrades" pushing Socialism (when all the world is getting rid of theirs), you and they are the reactionaries. You and your Liberal "comrades" are the ones trying to fight progress.

YOU KNOW IT AND ARE SCARED OF WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AWAKENED.

THE NEW DESIGNS
pelosi is busy designing our Military's new uniforms after her support of the release of terrorist interrogation pictures. All uniforms now will have a large Bullseye embroidered on the backs. She got the idea when barry cut the Military Budget and scraped Missle Defense and put a Bullseye on our American Flag.

Renny....trying to slit
Their throats? Maybe after a few successes
Obrainless will get it? Dan Quayle(sp.)said America has too many lawyers!And maybe we are getting too populated?
Elvis

OTHO...OK.--- THANKS!
HA HA HA HA HA! YOU MADE MY DAY!
I WAS BORN IN OKLA.--- WHERE ARE YOU FROM?
GENERALLY SPEAKING, OF COURSE.
ELVIS

Publius4254
"Date: Jun 12, 2009 - 2:17 PM EST
He's still doing it
I see Happy hal the Socialist's Pal is still wearing out his macros for "reactionary/ies". "failed Bush, and "LMAO". He really needs to get a new schtick, those are getting very boring."

but they are very accurate and I am sorry I cannot stop laughing at a lot of posters here. Look at the Grey Ghost's silly response above LMAO

JOEL....... HOW ARE YOU? A QUESTION.
Are we not missing a very good point?
How can a soldier read the rights to a dead
terrorists? In other words,WHAT PRISONERS!!

IN WHAT TEMPLE DID YOU GET "HITCHED"?
Take care...
Elvis

Impeach Barry
There I've said it. After only five months this man has shown and done some really bad things to my country and my countrymen. If just one American dies as a result of this stupid idea, Barry should be charged with reckless endangerment at the least or manslaughter at the worst. The Constitution says "High Crimes and Misdemeanors".

Elvis
I'm from deep in the heart of flyover country in North OKC. Also spent some quality time in the US Navy in SOCAL learning how to vaporize, er...I mean Mirandize terrorists.

Have a great weekend in the best country on earth.

Otho

Hal Doofus Keeps Us Laughing 3:58pm
"but they are very accurate and I am sorry I cannot stop laughing at a lot of posters here. Look at the Grey Ghost's silly response above LMAO"

And look at Hal Doofus's silly response above. Hal, how do you do it? Just when I thought you couldn't get any more stupid, you prove me wrong.

The alcohol is affecting your brain, Doofus. You really need to get off it. First, you yourself have said that some of the Liberal/Democraps' programs border on socialism (Hint: Socialized medicine, welfare, etc).

Yet every European country that had recent elections are throwing Liberals out of office. Putin of Russia advises the US NOT to go down the path of socialism. Yet you and the Liberal/Democraps march right on down that road.

Who is the reactionary Doofus? It is you and your Liberal/Democrap friends.

So yes, Doofus keep up the "spin" and "talking points". The Conservatives are laughing at you and your bravado. And more and more moderates are seeing the "joke" and joining in the laughter.

By 2010, the laughter will be very loud and all directed at the Democraps.

Hal you sad, sad little ?
Hal, exactly how many communist party points do you receive for say each one hundred posts on TH?

You surely must be rising very high within the ranks, I’m sure you’ll be made bread inspector or even propagandist first A$$.

To Liberal Trolls, especially Hal:
The most telling part to this article is:
"There are reports that his Justice Department has quietly ordered the FBI to give Miranda warnings to enemy combatants captured at war in Afghanistan. This, after Obama mocked Sarah Palin's campaign prediction that he would do this and his similar denial to "60 Minutes'" Steve Kroft."
-----

Your mortal messiah, Obama, not only blatantly lied about this during the campaign - he "mocked" such a question as being preposterous.

This man could lie about EVERYTHING he's promised (the list is getting longer each week), and you liberals would STILL support this fraud - such is your blind partisanship.

For you, the oath is, "God" (aka, Obama), "Party"... and THEN "Country" (only if convenient).

Enjoy your brief moment in the liberal/socialist moonlight - the adults will be back to clean up your mess in short order.

Yes he can!!
Exceed my expectations. He is a whole lot dumber than I thought he would be.

9/11 victims and survivors
I'm curious about something.
With all of the praising of Muslim ideology no matter how radical, speeches given in Muslim countries, excusing of Muslim atrocities, apologizing to the world for America's misdeeds, now wanting to give Miranda rights to captured terrorists and bringing them here to the US, why has no one has bothered to ask the opinions of the survivors of 9/11?
Or how about asking the families and loved ones of the murdered victims how they feel about all of this?
What a shame we can't actually ask the victims themselves. I wonder what they would think about what is happening to their county?
Would they be stunned, proud, shamed, outraged, or indifferent?

Conservatives should say nothingk
Nothingk, because if we disagree with Obama crazy people might kill people.

Obama
is a super hero with special powers. He hypnotized the Muslim extremists and David Letterman.

Good one, Joycey
Am I right about catching a hint of Sargeant Schulz? To coin a phrase from the great African-American football coach. Oblaba is exactly who we thought he would be. Imagine that?

Just curious
If Obama is maintaining rendition, What sense does it make to bother mirandizing these guys ?
Will the Jordanians, or Egyptians honor their rights to make a phone call ?

Hal,
If your list of groups to hate includes blaming the Bush administration for 9/11, Bill O'Rielly,Glenn Beck, Jews, etc..
Then you kill an innocent human being.
How can you be considered a "right wing extremist" ?

And if the problem of right wing extremism is as bad as you say, why commit the nations top cops to travel overseas and fight man made disasters ?

I'm just sayin...

Bottom feeder Limbaugh's
brother the Lesser Limbaugh pens some drivel and morons jump on it. When will you folks give up the fantasy that somehow you will "rise up" and overthrow the Democrats? Obama is smart, articulate and popular. No, sorry, he's not stupid, not a Muslim and his agenda is not about destroying capitalism. Now you can either come up with intelligent, counter-proposals to his plans that will work, or you can make fun of his ears, call him"dumb," or use your racial slurs by calling him a Muslim - something you would never do if he were a white male, and forever be known as the Idiot lunatic fringe. Choice is yours.

Bill
"Date: Jun 13, 2009 - 11:10 AM EST...Hal,
If your list of groups to hate includes blaming the Bush administration for 9/11, Bill O'Rielly,Glenn Beck, Jews, etc..
Then you kill an innocent human being.
How can you be considered a "right wing extremist" ?..."

Those are right wing extremist actions using violence to redress government and societal grievances is classic rightwing behavior now. Want to bet if the guy belonged to the NRA?

"...And if the problem of right wing extremism is as bad as you say, why commit the nations top cops to travel overseas and fight man made disasters ?..."

Right wing reactionaries even demanded an apology from the head of Home Land security warning about these right wing shooters etc. Should all the right wing talkers and FOX etc now apologize and admit you erred?

I'm just sayin...

Dear Ms. Rosario
Your interesting comments are so full of vague attacks and fallacies, it is difficult to find one to address. But, I shall try.

If Mr. O's agenda is not about destroying capitalism, which part of the agenda is actually helping the free-market system in this country? Why do you think his methods are not destroying our economy, but will actually create growth? (Not govt.jobs but private industry) Be specific.

Another point, Republicans have proposed solutions, CUTTING TAXES for one, but they are completely shut out of discussions, not allowed in closed door meetings, and Ms. Pelosi will not allow the Republican's proposals to be debated on the floor of the House. Sounds very co-operative to me, right? If you don't agree with this, why not? Be specific here, too.

Is he a Muslim? Time will tell, but he has made some very curious remarks regarding just where his sympathies lie.

TH is a forum of intelligent, highly educated and informed columnists meant to promote debate, not a forum for insults and name-calling. Try to remember this and join in an honest debate.

Take No Prisoners

If a lone gunman, a/k/a a soldier fails to send a jihadists to Hades, a 1L law student will free them.

Do you really want to give them FULL DISCOVERY, including classified information?

Sorry, so sorry, but this lawyer is NOT going on the battlefield. And, if I do, my first statement to the US is that my client is taking the 5th.

In over 225 years, we have NEVER given Constitutional rights to our enemies. NEVER.
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