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Friday, May 22, 2009
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
Still Politicizing Our Security
by David Limbaugh
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Democrats are outraged that former Vice President Dick Cheney is publicly defending the Bush administration's policies regarding the war on terror. How dare he defend the Bush record in the face of the partisan slander that began during Bush's first term and continues to this day unabated? Why, he's demeaning the office he serves.

It must have slipped their minds that radical environmentalism's high priest, former Democratic Vice President Al Gore, has gallivanted the world over, maliciously excoriating the Bush administration. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe there was ever the slightest complaint from the Democratic decorum police.

Does this ring a bell? "He betrayed this country! He played on our fears. He took America on an ill-conceived foreign adventure dangerous to our troops, an adventure preordained and planned before 9/11 ever took place."

How convenient, also, for Democrats to overlook that Cheney didn't start any of this. He isn't going about the country leveling unprovoked attacks against the administration. He is responding to Democratic attacks and thuggish threats to criminalize Bush administration policies.

But it's not Gore's attacks to which Cheney is responding. He's reacting to the far more current but equally vicious (though subtler) attacks against the Bush administration by President Barack Obama himself.

Never has a sitting president been as obsessed with scapegoating the policies of the preceding administration as Barack Obama. We are four months into his administration, folks, and he is still sneering at -- and blaming -- Bush and Cheney for our economic woes and national security policies.

In his much-ballyhooed national security apologia Thursday, which ended up serving as rebuttal fodder for Mr. Cheney's stemwinder at the American Enterprise Institute, Obama lashed out at the previous administration, because he doesn't dare blame congressional Democrats for refusing to fund his reckless scheme to close Gitmo without any plan to house the detainees.

"We're cleaning up something that is, quite simply, a mess -- a misguided experiment that has left in its wake a flood of legal challenges that my administration is forced to deal with on a constant, almost daily, basis, and that consumes the time of government officials whose time should be spent on better protecting our country."

I can't imagine President Bush spewing such nastiness at his predecessor or at any of the other Democrats who ceaseless bashed him -- precisely because he didn't.

But Democrats, evincing their virtuosity at the fine arts of psychological projection and hypocrisy, reserved their outrage for Cheney, not Obama, ignoring that Obama and his party are always the ones drawing first blood.

Democratic strategist Bob Shrum says the charge that Democrats are playing politics with national security is "a smear." Democratic strategist Bob Beckel said: "I've never heard a more slanderous, disgraceful performance by a former vice president or president than I just listened to. The idea that Dick Cheney would suggest that the Obama administration was putting, for political purposes, at risk the security of the United States of America and lives of American people is outrageous."

No, Bob(s), what's outrageous is that the charges ring true. Why else, besides politics, would Obama and other Democrats have lambasted and discredited the Bush administration for years over its WOT policies and then adopt many of those very same policies, from extraordinary rendition to the NSA warrantless surveillance program to recognizing that the laws of war permit the U.S. to capture enemy combatants and detain them without trial until the conclusion of hostilities to the use of cosmetically modified military commissions, which Obama had earlier called a "legal black hole"?

If rank partisanship hasn't been at play here, how does one reconcile the Democrats' demagoguery against Bush to close Gitmo come hell or high water with congressional Democrats' present refusal to fund Gitmo's closure until Obama presents a plan concerning placement of the prisoners?

Apart from recognizing it as a partisan witch hunt, how do you explain why the Obama-Holder Justice Department condemned enhanced interrogation techniques as torture, to the point that it considered prosecuting Bush officials and its Justice Department lawyers for authorizing and recommending them, yet endorsed the Bush position on torture just weeks ago, in Demjanjuk v. Holder? How do you explain the approval of these very techniques by the Democratic leadership, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, when briefed by the CIA and the Bush administration?

And the money question: If, indeed, Barack Obama is so convinced that enhanced interrogation methods violate our values and the rule of law, how do you rationally explain his reservation of the authority to reinstitute the practice?

Democratic strategists are free to dramatize their manufactured indignation over the charge of subordinating our national security for political gain, but their chickens are coming home to roost. Their inconsistent, untenable, reckless positions have been exposed, and they've tied themselves in knots.

How else do you explain Obama's unhinged national security speech Thursday?

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Bob Beckel
is a silly man.

re: marcmat
Bob Beckel is a Democrat first and American second, that makes him a silly man.

re: Mr. Limbaugh
I believe Vice President Cheney was defending America, not just President Bush. Someone should stand up for the patriots who protect and serve us in the midst of constant defamation being spewed by Democrats and their press lackeys. I appreciate and admire Mr. Cheney for his loyalty and courage.


Good read david but!
As I recall, Beckel's claim to fame is as campaign manager for a record breaking defeat. Why is such a loser worthy of mention? He and Susan Estrege (sp?) and David Gergen and their like (no principles) seem to survive. What does that say about our ability to analyze? I guess I pay too much attention. I need to go golfing.

THE SPEECH
Regardless of what he called himself, IMO, O-BS has no credibility. Practically everything he says is read off a teleprompter, carefully scripted in advance by powerful fascist interests and force-fed to the population through a complicit, controlling media. Much of the rhetoric, which bears little relation to the truth, is meant to provide emotionally soothing concealment for the nefarious activities he and his minions are actually conducting.

Yesterday, Former Vice President Dick Cheney, God Bless him, delivered a speech to AEI in which he blistered the national security policies of the current fascists in power. They did everything they could to disrupt and preempt any media coverage by having teleprompter boy ramble on at length during the same period.

But the message got out, and it is powerful. See for yourself:

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2009/05/21/video-cheneys-obama- national-security-speech-52109/

On the very day the FBI terminated a bombing plot to attack NY, conducted by jailhouse converts to Jihad, teleprompter boy declared domestic prisons 'tough enough' to hold transferred Gitmo terrorists. One wonders why it's so necessary to the left to even bring them to the US when it makes more sense to keep them isolated

Is this willful blindness (Blind sheik prosecutor Andrew McCarty's term), extreme naiveté or a purposeful jihadist measure?

THE SPEECH
He calls himself a Christian - his pastor Wright sure has a peculiar view of the doctrine.

Regardless of what he called himself, IMO, Obot has no credibility. Practically everything he says is read off a teleprompter, carefully scripted in advance by powerful fascist interests and force-fed to the population through a complicit, controlling media. Much of the rhetoric, which bears little relation to the truth, is meant to provide emotionally soothing concealment for the nefarious activities he and his minions are actually conducting.

Yesterday, Former Vice President Dick Cheney, God Bless him, delivered a speech to AEI in which he blistered the national security policies of the current fascists in power. They did everything they could to disrupt and preempt any media coverage by having teleprompter boy ramble on at length during the same period.

But the message got out, and it is powerful. See for yourself:

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2009/05/21/video-cheneys-obama- national-security-speech-52109/

On the very day the FBI terminated a bombing plot to attack NY, conducted by jailhouse converts to Jihad, teleprompter boy declared domestic prisons 'tough enough' to hold transferred Gitmo terrorists. It makes one wonder why it's so important that they even be brought here. Isn't it better for us that they be isolated? No other country wants them either.

Is this willful blindness (Blind sheik prosecutor Andrew McCarty's term), extreme naiveté or a purposeful jihadist measure?

THE SPEECH cont'd
The lies of this administration have been legion in destroying our personal engine of freedom - our economy. He's already literally genuflected to the exporters of Wahabi terrorism - the Saudi monarchy. Why should they be so anxious to sell the Saudis our nuclear power technology but then oppose every effort to let us use it ourselves, advocating instead for the feeble and inefficient output of windmills, corn, solar and other such energy inanities.

They're disdain for Israel and our traditional allies is palpable - and that is noteworthy in these turbulent times.

When will we begin to drag down this illegal usurper and his cast fifth columnist enemies?

Cheney, denying his guilt
"How convenient, also, for Democrats to overlook that Cheney didn't start any of this. He isn't going about the country leveling unprovoked attacks against the administration. He is responding to Democratic attacks and thuggish threats to criminalize Bush administration policies. "

How does the song go? "...bad boy, bad boy what you going to do; what you going to do when they come for you..." LMAO run Dick run

Happy Hal the Socialists Pal

Hey Hal, how do you think Pelosi will look in prison stripes? Will they let her keep her beehive and botox treatments, or will they let her resort to hag status?

MMaddox
It is Beckel's relentless propensity to say ridiculous things in my view that makes him silly. It's like when Alan Colmes used to try and argue with Bill Bennett on Hannity and Colmes. Bennett would often respond simply by saying, "Alan, you don't really believe that, do you?"

Once We Had Statesman - Now a Punk

“At the “World Without Zionism” conference held in Tehran in October 2005, as the crowd chanted “death to Israel, death to America, death to England,” the Iranian President Ahminajead said...with the help of the Almighty, we shall soon experience a world without America and Zionism, notwithstanding those who doubt.”

Barack Obama and his 'Mindless Minions' think America is the problem of course.

Remember when, America had Presidents that would NOT 'Bow and Scrape' to the Enemies of America?

Remember when, America had Presidents that thought America was a 'Great Nation' and did NOT apologize to the World and our Enemies for being a 'Great Nation'?

Remember when, America had Presidents that were willing to do whatever it took to protect our Military and save Soldiers lives - like Harry Truman, who stopped a War with Nuclear Weapons, instead of placing Soldiers in jeopardy by exposing their methods to the Enemy?

Remember when, America had Presidents that were Statesmen, instead of a 'Punk'?

It was Carter

who first broke the tradition of remaining silent after leaving office. Democrats have since felt free to mouth off at will about the previous administration (Clinton did it non-stop as did Al Gore).

So now they're outraged that a Republican would DARE to give them a taste of their own sleasy medicine and comment on the Messiah? Too effin' bad. Again, liberals seem to think THEY'RE exempt from the rules THEY proclaim for everyone else.

Bob_C
"Date: May 22, 2009 - 8:04 AM EST...So now they're outraged that a Republican would DARE to give them a taste of their own sleasy medicine and comment on the Messiah? Too effin' bad. Again, liberals seem to think THEY'RE exempt from the rules THEY proclaim for everyone else."

Nope we are laughing at you. Glad that you support an independent commission to find out what happened when then make any arrests as necessary

If The Muslim-in-Chief
Would expend as much energy concentrating on fighting a war against Al Qaeda as he is in fighting a war against Bush and Cheney, perhaps we could wind this thing up and come out with a victory.

This debate over how or what we did to MFing murderous thugs who, at the plans, knew of other attacks planned against us is not only showing the weakness of our current administration, it's showing that he is attacking the previous administration for being "over-zealous" in defending us.

Does this knuckle-headed flop-eared narcissistic retard ever take the time to sit down at a desk and do some real work?

It seems the only thing he's been doing since being "installed" as president is stand in front of a camera, reading from a teleprompter. Worse, every one of the words her reads, are full of disdain for the policies of every administration that came before his inglorious ascension to the thrown.

Everything he says is, obviously, an echo of everything he learned from Jeremiah Wright; so obvious that only a complete fool couldn't hear it.

When is he going to start fighting the terrorists and stop fighting George W. Bush?

I doubt that he has any intentions of doing that.

He's obviously more focused on coddling the Islamic jihadis, than he is in fighting them.

Cheney said it right, "recklessness cloaked in righteousness..."

Happy Hal

Hal, that laughter you hear is that weird spastic laughing tic of yours:

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

Obama's "Little Darlings"

Islamic Terrorists have carried out more than 13,237 deadly terrorist attacks since 9/11.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by a Muslim extremist.

1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by Muslim extremists.

In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by Muslim extremists.

During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by Muslim extremists.

In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by Muslim extremists.

In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by Muslim extremists.

In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by Muslim extremists.

In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by Muslim extremists.

In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by Muslim extremists.

In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim extremists.

On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take down the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by Muslim extremists.

In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by Muslim extremists.

Meanwhile, the Barack Obama sends $90 million to HAMAS.

Barack Obama approves a large Turkish arms sale to the Lebanese army, including the services of Turkish military instructors for Hezbollah.

It is nice....
..to hear liberals use the word 'terrorist' again instead of their usual list of euphemisms.

doofass-the-hypocrite: Fair trial for

everyone BUT Pres. Bush and VP Cheney.

In doofass-the-hypocrite's small depraved mind, Pres. Bush and VP Cheney are ALREADY guilty...

But, doofass-the-hypocrite is am intellectually limited liberal.

Obviously doofass-the-hypocrite has forgotten that....

Military Deaths Nearly Half Under Bush Compared To Clinton Years

http://rightsoup.com/military-deaths-nearly-half-under-bush -compar ed-to-clinton-years/

“While the liberal left continues to cry out over the 4226 military deaths associated with Bush’s liberation of Iraq no one seems to mention Clinton had nearly double that under his command. Where’s their outrage over that?

U.S Military Deaths under Clinton (8yrs) 7500
U.S Military Deaths under Bush (8yrs) 4226

“Those brave U.S. soldiers gave their lives to help free over 28 million Iraqis. I don’t remember Clinton liberating any countries despite nearly twice the military causalities.”



Hey doofass, suck it up butter-cup! :-)


Ludicrous and Somewhat Ironic

I find it ludicrous and somewhat ironic that we have in the current administration, a president who is content to bicker about EIT and point fingers of blame and shame at the previous one, while Iran is freely building nuclear missiles and Al Qaeda, who we he is supposed to be at war with, is concentrating all their energies on planning the next strike against the homeland.

It's good to know that we have the luxury, under the Democrats, to take a pause for the cause of fighting partisan political campaigns against each other in the middle of a war; attacking the protectors of the American people, while defending the attackers.

It seems like the Democrats would have gotten enough satisfaction out of that during the past 7-1/2 years of calling our troops murderers and our President a criminal. During the Iraq war they did everything in their power to make us lose. Now they are in charge, and they still can't find it in their hearts to change.

Pure Hypocritical Hate Mongers
The political left, MSM, Progressives, and most Democrats are "Pure Hypocritical Hate Mongers" that are willing to destroy America to quench their hate.

Bob_C
"Date: May 22, 2009 - 8:04 AM EST...So now they're outraged that a Republican would DARE to give them a taste of their own sleasy medicine and comment on the Messiah? Too effin' bad. Again, liberals seem to think THEY'RE exempt from the rules THEY proclaim for everyone else."

Nope we are laughing at you. Glad that you support an independent commission to find out what happened when then make any arrests as necessary

What Will Obama do Next?

Barack Obama sends $90 million to HAMAS.

Barack Obama approves a large Turkish arms sale to the Lebanese army, including the services of Turkish military instructors for Hezbollah.

Will Barrack Obama do next - send money and arms to Al Queada?

doofass-the-hypocrite: HA! Like PEElosi?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Happy Hal

Hal, that laughter you hear is that weird spastic laughing tic of yours:

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

Aposematic
"Date: May 22, 2009 - 8:31 AM EST
Pure Hypocritical Hate Mongers
The political left, MSM, Progressives, and most Democrats are "Pure Hypocritical Hate Mongers" that are willing to destroy America to quench their hate."

No hate here; it is called accountability an alien concept to reactionaries like so many here. The depraved Bush regime damaged America and endangered the nation way beyond the 9/11 disaster that they missed. We will be stronger and better in four years heck we actually are now

What Exactly is Treason?

If giving 'Aid and Comfort' to the enemies of the United States is Treason?

Barack Obama is giving money and military arms to HAMAS and Hezbollah, both of whom have sworn to destroy the United Sates.

What exactly is Treason?

OncealwaysaMarine
"Date: May 22, 2009 - 8:31 AM EST
Ludicrous and Somewhat Ironic

I find it ludicrous and somewhat ironic that we have in the current administration, a president who is content to bicker about EIT and point fingers of blame and shame at the previous one, while Iran is freely building nuclear missiles..."

Two points why do you say EIT I am amazed how cowardly you folks are to come right out and say torture. Keeping putting lipstick on that pig but know what you are doing. Second, we are reaping the failures of the depraved Bush regime in Iran who turns out to be the real winner of Bush's Iraq war.

"...and Al Qaeda, who we he is supposed to be at war with, is concentrating all their energies on planning the next strike against the homeland."

I guess you only listen to opinion media like FOX but we are doing a fairly credible job of actually hunting down and killing Al Q people instead of letting them go like the failed Bush did

On this Coming Memorial Day

Before Barack Obama became POTUS, it would have been unthinkable, that the American CIC would fund and arm our enemies.

Barack Obama has NOT only committed Treason with these acts, his followers are defending Treason and chanting "Yes We Can".

This is a disgrace to all of us Veterans and especially those who gave their lives.

doofass-the-dolt: "I am amazed how

cowardly you folks are to come right out and say torture."

Because, according to the US Code, waterboarding was not torture.

Want us to post the Code and definition again??



"... we are reaping the failures of the depraved Bush regime in Iran who turns out to be the real winner of Bush's Iraq war."

Nope! Your idiot-in-chief has ALREADY FAILED in less than 100 days... so he's got to point at something... even if it means making up something....

In fact your idiot-in-chief made inaccurate references 28 times...

Liberals say Don't Worry about America

Liberals say Don't Worry about America and our enemies or the safety of the United States.

Barack Obama has the United Nations number on the White House 'Speed Dial'.

Nancy Pilosi

Is due to speak this morning, undoubtedly to spin her accusation of the CIA "lying" to her and congress. It ought to be interesting - and funny.


MUST Read...GREAT blog on Cheney
This was a great read on how Cheney kicked Nobama's butt! This guy is GOOD! http://theblacksphere.blogspot.com/2009/05/cheney-takes-on -man.html

Security
Besides the millions our leader gives to Hamas, he now is giving nuclear info to United Arab Emirates(Dubai). This is supposedly for power plants, but why would they need nuclear power with all their oil? Maybe Iran is missing some important details and they can now get it from their buddies in Dubai. Dear Leader gives the same speech over and over, just changes the subject matter a little.

Isn't that cute!?

Happy Hal the Socialists Pal has a facebook account! Jeez, Hal, are you suffering from a case of arrested development or midlife crisis?

Am I supposed to sign up to check out your "source?"

Rusty

And Obama's giving yet another $100 billion to bailout the banks. By the time this idiot's done, the banks may be solvent, but the country will be bankrupt.

Honor Service that is NOT treasonous

Honor Service that is NOT treasonous while the veteran serves, but after their service, every Veteran has a 'New Life' that begins.

I honor those Veterans who performed their duty for America while serving - I detest anyone who NOW hates America, even if they once served America.

Barack Obama's 'Mentor and Spiritual Adviser', Jeremiah Wright comes to mind.

Low Life
It takes a total creep to blame everyone but yourself.

The guy has no backbone.

Every problem is solved with one of his stupid speeches.

He inherited this and that.

Is he the only president ever elected who inherited problems?

If you can't stand the heat get the hell out of the kitchen. Famous Democrat Harry Truman, a real man.

Bob_C
"Date: May 22, 2009 - 9:31 AM EST
Isn't that cute!?

Happy Hal the Socialists Pal has a facebook account! Jeez, Hal, are you suffering from a case of arrested development or midlife crisis?.."

Nope it was a MAJOR tool we used to get Obama elected president. Guess what? We are all still together and very involved.

"..Am I supposed to sign up to check out your "source?"

I think it takes you direct to yahoo news McLatchey story on wrong "facts" in Cheney rant yesterday

Happy Hall the Teenieboppers Pal

"Nope it was a MAJOR tool we used to get Obama elected president. Guess what? We are all still together and very involved."

I just think that's so precious - you and the little tenniebopper Obamatrons hangin' out! Are you sexting each other as well?

"I think it takes you direct to yahoo news McLatchey story on wrong "facts" in Cheney rant yesterday"

Sorry, Hal, it takes me to a Facebook sign-in page.

Victory to Dust
Pres. Obama has been handed an awsome victory. Since 1-20-09, he has been grinding his victory into dust.

Question for Liberals and anyone else

Where do you suppose Barack Obama will house NEWLY captured 'Terrorists' bent on the "Destruction of America", after he closes GITMO?

White House lawn?

Fancy Hotels, complete with room service?

Joe Biden's hidden bunker?

Public Housing?

Notre Dame?

I wonder where?

Hal "LMAO©" Donahue writes:
"...but we are doing a fairly credible job of actually hunting down and killing Al Q people instead of letting them go like the failed Bush did"
-----

What do you mean "we", Hal? Did you come out of retirement - your commission reactivated?

And I thought the whole issue with Bush was that he captured and detained Al Q indefinitely - now you are saying he failed because he let them go?

Do yourself a big favor, Hal. Search some of the Townhall archives from about a year ago and re-read some of your posts. There was a time when you at least pretended to be a moderate.

Now you are just one of many Obama "Useful Idiots".

And if you really think Bush or Cheney is ever going to be tried - then you'd also have to believe FDR is going to be tried posthumously for his much more serious and sweeping "crimes".

Finally, anybody who genuinely believes "water boarding" rises to the level of real torture never went through fraternity hazing.

Why are you liberals such wusses?

I was shocked
that the media actually pointed out that OBAMA after saying he didn't want to point fingers proceeded to point his finger at Bush over 20 times in his speech. It was like a miracle that they noticed.

doofass-the-dolt: OH MY WORD! US Code

and you give us facebook.com???

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

How about law.cornell.edu?

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 113C > § 2340

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00002340--- -000-.html

§ 2340. Definitions

(1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
(2) “severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from—

(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;

(B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality;

(C) the threat of imminent death; or

(D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality; and

(3) “United States” means the several States of the United States, the District of Columbia, and the commonwealths, territories, and possessions of the United States.



Referring to facebook is as stupid as referring to Puff-ho for valid information.


Bob_C: Of course facebook was a MAJOR

tool to get Obama elected president!!!

They appealed to the ignorant little immature minds that weren't able to actually "think" for themselves...

Kinda like doofass-the-dolt.


Anne
Doofus wrote:Nope it was a MAJOR tool we used to get Obama elected president.
Should be read: It was a minor tool to get a Major tool elected! Not LMAO!

Anne

You know why Happy Hal the Pimple Farmers Pal hangs around facebook with the little bubblegum-snapping, vapid, Hanna Montana loving, Obamatrons on facebook?

Because he feels at home with children. It's why he loves Obama so much.

I'm just wondering if he's explained to all those little teenieboppers that he's a fat, bald, creepy old fart who loves hanging around yuoung girls and boys.

Retired Geek #21
Odumbo will give nuclear missiles to Iran.

It's Obama's job now...
and when the inevitable jihadist attack comes, it will be his presidency that's on the line.

Despite trying to pin the scapegoat label on Bush, Obama can't claim that there were any attacks on the U.S. since 9/11 under Bush's watch.

Will Obama reach the end of his term with the same record? Seems unlikely.

From an artical by Jake Tapper
Do Obama White House officials think their media coverage isn't flattering enough?

Is the goal to ultimately replace the pesky photographers who film what they want to and not what they're told to (not to mention the annoying reporters who ask uncomfortable questions about, say, detainee policy and bank bailouts)?

Do you want your OTV? (I'll bet there are a few takers out there.)
**********************************************
Tapper is a White House Correspondent. Their reporters were shut out in favor of the White Houses' own presspeople. He is complaining.

I do hope they get tired of fawning over' That One' and hold his feet to the fire like they have other presidents. Obama opts for his PRAVDA. Is anyone surprised?


Don't torture captured jihadists...
cut their heads off with a rusty butter knife on national TV and dump their burned and mutilated bodies in the streets of their hometowns and villages. Maybe their buddies will get the picture we are as serious as they are. Oops, I forgot, some of us are not that serious, are we, Hal?

Rowly

Perhaps being treated like pariahs will open the eyes of the MSM. Maybe, just maybe, they'll start doing their job.

NAAAH! What am I thinking!!?

The Good News.......
It is easy to spin a moron.

The Bad News: It is impossible to stop them.

Limbaugh
The Democrats are just OUTRAGED that Cheney is
speaking out. Yep. We are outraged that the
media is giving him so much press. But I have
found that they are limited to two subjects a
day tops, and this week Cheney is one of those
topics. Hopefully, next week he will disappear.

But I wouldn't have missed that march into
the room at AEI, flanked by all those guards.
You never know when a terrorist might be
hiding in the corner.

That is not being fair, however. In all
likelihood, Cheney already knew his speech
was going to be deadly dull, and he had to
find his pizazz where he could. And what
better time to give it a try than directly
after Obama's speech.

OL GRUMPY
Easy old man,you might upset Tammy.

PRIMUS 54
Actually Hal got demoted to eagle scout.

Bob_C
I believe they think they ARE doing their job.Too bad they think their job is to try to make 'The One' look presidential instead of 'Salesman Of The Year'.

Tammy
Whether you like him or not, you and everyone else in this country owe Dick Cheney a debt of gratitude for devoting eight years of his life to your safety and well-being. The fact that you liberals can't appreciate that is tragically sad.

Re: Tired Geek
Where to put detainees after Guantanamo closes?

That's a no-brainer:

Crawford Ranch, Republic of Texas!

Ralph:
since you love them so much, your house.

Fake outrage
How can you be against waterboarding and for Obama assasinating (along with innocents) people in Pakistan? Or the Somali Pirate who Obama ordered executed? I for one would take capture and waterboarding any day of the week. This this a war. Tough decisions need to be made. There are going to be distasteful things in it. Grow up libs. No one is saying waterboarding is a walk in the park, but let's not compare it to actual torture. They scared them. No permanent damage was done. More kids die from hazing each year (and a higher percentage) than people who have been waterboarded.

Truth squad

Cheney speaks the truth and Liberals demonize him.


Al Gore exaggerates and lies and Liberals give him awards.

Says alot about Liberals.

Hal
I think you made it too difficult for many on this board to get the information you were trying to get them to read. After all, it does involve two mouseclicks to get to. Also, I'm guessing many of the people on this board have filters on their computers so only Fox "News" can get through.

For Useful Idiot and others, the article Hal directs you to lists the many, many lies Cheney told during his speech. Apparently he doesn't believe that the Director of National Intelligence knows anything about how to do his job.

Cheney is a liar and a war criminal and he belongs in jail. I know the afterlife won't treat him well but he deserves some justice now.

Limbaugh has guts to talk about making this a political issue, especially since we have learned that the main reason for torturing KSM and others was to try to find a lim=nk between Saddam and al-Qaeda. This is really the ultimate in politics. Bush starts a war under false pretenses and then tortures people to try to prove his assumptions were true. And so-called patriots here will defend him!

Anne, how could you possibly read the definition of torture and not believe that waterboarding fits that definition?

28Jan 2009 I posted on Medved's thread

Subject: what will define Bozo's presidency!

"In ADDITION to Medved's astute observations, in less than a week into his 'RULE' we already know what will define Bozo's presidency!

"After using his newly found Exec. Order pen, and signing an order to close Gitmo, one of his henchmen.... oops sorry, I meant spokepersons. said...

'… he hasn't yet fully explored the potentially negative consequences....'

and then followed it up with this little gem....

'... is more complicated than it first appeared.'

"REALLY? Well, isn't THAT special???

"Typical of an inexperienced, arrogant, self serving, neophyte who does not understand foreign policy, or much of anything else, for that matter.

"Of course, the intellectually limited liberals just can't quite get it. I wonder how many more things Bozo is going to have to fail at and falter before they figure it out, but there's no doubt some will never figure it out."



Well, here we are 100+ days later and Obozo STILL DOESN'T FREAKIN' GET IT, NOR DO HIS INTELLECTUALLY LIMITED FOLLOWERS!!!


Okay, so . . .
if the real reason for the alleged "torture" was to try and obtain a link between Saddam and al-Qaeda, why did the Bush administration stop at waterboarding? And, if waterboarding is so awful, why didn't the 3 who were waterboarded confess to such a link?

Likewise, why didn't the Bushies use rendition to a nation that does torture to further this alleged goal?

I'm all ears liberals (no Obama pun intended).

In fact. . .
why then wasn't Saddam himself "tortured?" Couldn't he have been "tortured" into admitting he had WMD's?


Marcmat
Considering that estimates are that approximately 100 prisoners died during interrogation, apparently they did not always stop at waterboarding.

Also, I believe it was al-Libbi that did confess to things that were not true just to make the torture stop. Now it seems he "committed suicide" in prison in Egypt recently.

You have testimony of Soufan before Congress and stories from Duelfer and others stating that they were asked to waterboard people who were already getting good information from and that the reason was to try to find the link between Saddam and al-Qaeda. How many more people do you need to hear it from before you believe it? If you are waiting for Hannity or the other Limbaugh to talk about it, don't hold your breath.
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