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Friday, May 01, 2009
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
Gay Tail Wags Hetero Dog
by David Limbaugh
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Ordinarily, we would probably be wise just to move on from last week's flap over Miss USA contestant Carrie Prejean's truthful pageant answer on same-sex marriage, but subsequent news reports reveal we are drawing the wrong lessons from the brouhaha.

Prejean -- in response to the trick question from gay activist blogger Perez Hilton, one of the pageant's judges -- refused to endorse same-sex marriage, which probably resulted in her losing the crown she was favored to win.

Not satisfied with unilaterally disqualifying Prejean and possibly damaging her career, Hilton publicly excoriated her, saying she "gave the worst answer in pageant history" and calling her a dumb B-word and worse.

Prejean, in stark contrast, said that as a Christian, she loved Hilton and was praying for him, a graciousness met with further ungraciousness from Hilton.

Hilton told the "Today" show's Matt Lauer: "I personally would have appreciated it had she left her politics and her religion out, because Miss USA represents all Americans. … The answer she gave alienated myself (and) millions of gays and lesbians. … Miss USA is not a person that's politically incorrect. Miss USA … represents … all America and is inclusive and give(s) the right answers. … I want someone who is going to (say) things that will make everyone feel welcome. … For example … she's a Christian, but I don't want her talking about Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, because that's offensive to all of the Jewish Americans, to all of the Muslim Americans, to all of the atheist Americans."

But it was Hilton, not Prejean, who injected politics. Hilton's clear message, denounced by no one from the gay activist community or secular left, is that Prejean should have lied or ducked the question because her honest answer offended some. Had she high-fived same-sex marriage, you can bet Hilton wouldn't be decrying her lack of inclusiveness toward the majority and not making them "feel welcome." So if Prejean had agreed with Hilton's minority position -- or pretended to -- she would have represented "all of America"; if she had agreed with the majority, she wouldn't have. Go figure.

Pageant judge Claudia Jordan, obviously another opponent of pageant integrity, said, "In pageants, just like in politics, it's probably best to just give a neutral answer, where you're not committed to one side or the other, if you want to win."

Keith Lewis, co-director of Miss California USA, said he was personally saddened and hurt by Prejean's opinion and that "religious beliefs have no place in politics in the Miss CA family." Again, all opinions are OK except those they disagree with, especially when the opinions are grounded in religious principle.

California pageant public relations spokesman Roger Neal accused Prejean of lying for telling a church audience that California pageant officials told her to apologize publicly and to avoid mentioning religion on the "Today" show. Neal said Prejean was urged only to reiterate that she didn't mean to offend anyone and to use the national spotlight "to heal some wounds."

I doubt Prejean lied, especially considering what Neal admits officials did advise Prejean to say, which is egregious enough.

Why should Prejean have to apologize to anyone? And what wounds does she have an obligation to heal? She did not spontaneously volunteer her opinion on same-sex marriage; she gave it reluctantly, in response to Hilton's loaded question. Nor did she "wound" anyone merely by voicing an opinion shared by hundreds of millions.

Or have we become such prisoners to thought control that one's just voicing an opinion is pronounced hurtful and damaging? Should the majority of Americans flog themselves for having the same opinion as Prejean? How about Barack Obama, who voiced precisely that opinion during the presidential campaign?

Seriously, do Prejean's detractors believe her sin was to voice her opinion publicly or merely to think those thoughts? If it's the former, their ire ought to be aimed at Hilton for asking the question in the first place. But I suspect many actually believe Prejean's primary sin (and that of most Americans) is to think the way she thinks, which, they would say, makes her a bigot and a homophobe. Talk about the tail wagging the dog!

Those who say the militant homosexual activists' goal is to live and let live apparently aren't following their reaction to Prejean and Hilton, which proves the militants will not tolerate an opposing viewpoint. Those who doubt their persistence might be surprised on a not-too-distant day when most states have succumbed to the bullying and changed their definitions of marriage.

If you care to hear the other side of the argument -- that same-sex marriage is not an innocuous idea -- read Frank Turek's excellent book "Correct, not Politically Correct; How Same-Sex Marriage Hurts Everyone." The book will also serve as a wake-up call to complacent Christians operating under the fallacious belief that they have no business engaging in the political arena, a belief that could contribute to the eventual loss of their very freedom to evangelize.

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My thoughts on the subject...
I never could understand why,if homosexuals are so against what God has to say on the subject of their lifestyle,would they want to partake in a tradition that is ordained and promoted by God! Civil unions could give them all the rights of "marriage",just not God's blessings. That's their choice. I'm telling ya,it is about persecuting Christians,in Satan's Endgame. In which case,those promoting the homosexual agenda are,in a way,Satan's Useful Idiots! (Ouch! Did I really say that?!) That's the way I see it,and it's my right to think what I want!

A lot of nonsense.
It now turns out that this girl received breast implants after being elected Ms. CA paid for by the Miss CA organization. So as to increase her chances in the national pageant. So much for her wholesome Christian image. Should not she be grateful for what God supposedly gave her in the chest department? Apparently this stuff goes on routinely, especailly in South America where these pageants are considered very important. Women are still mainly judged for what they look like, also in this country. Just look at all the women at the Fox News Channel who are always beautiful; that is not to say that they cannot be competent but they also always have to be beautiful. For men this does not hold, let's face it, most women or gay men won't drool over Bill O'Reilly. I think this kind of stuff going on in beauty pageants is worse than the whole same-sex marriage issue.

Over the edge, more like it
"I never could understand why,if homosexuals are so against what God has to say on the subject of their lifestyle,would they want to partake in a tradition that is ordained and promoted by God! Civil unions could give them all the rights of "marriage",just not God's blessings."

The key word here is "could." We _could_ have civil unions were they offered. And if the only difference between a civil union and a marriage is the "blessing" of your sky pixie, then I'm all for it.

But then over the edge we go: "[I]t is about persecuting Christians,in Satan's Endgame. In which case,those promoting the homosexual agenda are,in a way,Satan's Useful Idiots!"

Oh your poor baby! I suggest you watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20M9ywn7Zgs

It puts your "persecution" into perspective.






Boob Job Rudy
"It now turns out that this girl received breast implants after being elected Ms. CA paid for by the Miss CA organization."

Mrs 36B (all God-given) says: "Who cares?"

Quite so, Sol_invictus
"Civil unions are terrific for those who like to sit in the back of the bus, drink from segregated fountains and shuffle their feet in front of the boss. However, gay people do not think that way. There is no reason to be second class citizens, just so that a dwindling number of Americans can impose their bigotry on the rest of us."

What can I add? Well... I do have one thought.

It concerns the precise definition of "civil union." If it is _exactly_ the same, then there's no "back of the bus" involved, except one has to wonder why we need two phrases for one idea.

Some posters are merely petty. They wish to reserve the word for themselves. Others claim that their sky pixie is responsible for marriage. If that were the _only_ difference, then I would have no problem.

That can be achieved easily. You're only married in the eyes of a sky pixie if you marry in a church. The governmental concept of marriage applies then to different-sex and same-sex couples, as it rightly must.

This doesn't seem to satisfy them. Because, in fact, they DO want us to be second-class citizens.

To whom it may concern,
I figured as much!...This is what God says and I feel it applies here,"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing,but to us who are being saved,it is the power of God.For it is written:I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." Go ahead and write your own laws and live however you like. Sit where you want and drink from whatever fountain you choose,but as far as I know,MARRIAGE was set forth by God,to be between a man and a woman! I do not respect your lifestyle,because GOD considers it an abomination.I care more about His opinion than yours.

I don't think you do see,Mellor
I,personally,have never discriminated against anyone and doubt that I ever will be in the position to do so. I'm not your judge and I don't write the laws.Mostly,I just mind my own business and do my best to be nice to others. I don't try to shove my lifestyle in anyone's face and demand recognition and respect.And one last thing,I hope I'm around to see you call God a "Sky Pixie" to His face,but more than that,I pray you pull your head out of whatever a$$ it is in and get to know Him as your Savior before it's too late! That's my opinion!

Mellor, on a clear day you can see:
Oh, this is rich, Mellor has a point:

"Oh. I see "

Comment: No you dont.

"Your sky pixie said so, so it's OK to discriminate against your fellow citizens."

Comment: Discriminate? No, deny a small group of adults from demanding the ability to change society to fit their own personal sexual preferences?. Absolutely. Yes. Learn the difference.

"So that's alright then. "

Comment: Sorry Mellor. The whole of human history is against you. So is the creation of woman, kind of suggests your homosexuality may not have been what God intended..

Have some faith , du, one of your male/female pals on another thread says homosexuals evolved first. Then evolved again so they could reproduce.

Excellent understanding of evolution. Much like your understanding of religion and marriage.

Toodles,

I see, OnTheEdge in CA
"I,personally,have never discriminated against anyone"

So you voted against Prop 8?

Mellor,Mellor,Mellor,(sigh),...
Guess what? Between moves,I wasn't even registered! But back when four million people did vote against it,and it was overturned,Gavin Newsome gleefully declared,"And there's nothing you can do about it!" So don't tell me there's no agenda! You may as well ask me if I have any faith in our legal system! Obama had more than enough suspected illegal votes,no one did a thing about it. The matter of his birth certificate has never been adequately settled,no one will do a thing about that. I really don't care to argue with you. We've made our points.

Do you want a freak...
like Perez Hilton making policy for you and your family? I sure don't, so he can keep his big, fat mouth shut and stay in San Fran. The rest of America respects God and prays in the Holy Name of Jesus Christ for this country's morals and values to be reinstated.

These gay activists make me sick.

Carrie Prejan
Some Comments:
Miss California has breast implants: how does that matter in this context?
Any Catholic Priest that performed a same sex ceremony would likely be removed from his Church. I don't know about the Rabbis.
Perez Hilton brought this subject up in a very questionable time and place. It indicates that he might be fanatical about this.
The predijuce charge is not accurate. Simply having a different view point does not make one a bigot or what ever. If so, then to a Catholic hetrosexual, I assume the homosexual marriage supporters are like the KKK.

Silly Stuff
We ought to find out if students are required to take a look at a Biology book in order to graduate from High School. Maybe the Gays and Lesbians can't comprehend what they read. The obfuscation created by continuing to make things like gay marriage and abortion religious issues rather that natural offenses doesn't help.

Perez Hilton
Let's ask Perez Hilton a question: what do you think is a reasonable age of consent? Then let's put him in a contest entirely run by Christian Evangelicals.

Everyone knows that beauty pageants are run by queens, and that the men prepping the women are homosexual. The question I have for the pageant is: why do you allow people like Hilton to participate? Was there some special favor he was owed? He's as clueless as Paris, but foul as the entrails of a dead skunk. Why was he even there?

What's next for the pageant? A NAMBLA rep?

I'm glad Prejean didn't win, because she's obviously too good for this chock full 'a nuts competition.

Much more than that, she's a good example of Daniel, and Hilton and his accomplices are Belshazzar. To Perez Hilton:

"Mene, mene, tekel upharsin."

Your reign is over, queenie-boy. No one likes you. And you'll see - one day - what it's like when you spit in the face of God.

Sky Pixie???
I am deeply offended by someone calling my God a
'Sky Pixie'. Would you dare refer to 'Allah' by that name? The main problem in this world is that people have lost the 'fear' of God. Indeed the world has been weighed and found wanting.
Hate crimes is about to become a reality, and those of us who love truth and God and the bible will become criminals. Bring it on!!!

I applaud this young lady
for her stand, it's one the rest of us ought to take.
To approve marriage for those who are of the same sex is to say marriage means nothing, the homos push it to force the rest of us to accept as normal that which has been an abomination and condemned since the beginning of time.

We should never legitimize perversion, it undermines our entire value system....these folks are not normal and they know it.

Keep them out of the military and away from children...I have seen too many instances in the military where they were a problem, ie sneaking around at night and doing their thing on sleeping shipmates for kicks, you have to be seriously screwed up to risk what could come your way if caught to do such a thing.


mellor
you wrote;"The key word here is "could." We _could_ have civil unions were they offered. And if the only difference between a civil union and a marriage is the "blessing" of your sky pixie, then I'm all for it."

This is NOT true because civil unions were offered in CA and MA and lawsuits were filed to force homo "marriages" in MA,and in CA they still demanded "marriage".

And it's NOT a "civil rights" thing,as homos have the SAME rights as heteros;to marry person of the OPPOSITE sex,as that has always been the definition of "marriage" for several 1000 years.This issue is more about using the courts to FORCE acceptance of the homo "lifestyle" than anything else.You can see that in the lawsuits they file and politics they advance.

Marriage and Respect...
OF COURSE homosexuals want to pervert marriage. Perversion is their god. I have always been a live and let live person, but since the advent of the shrieking militant "gays", I have been forced by "these people" to take a position on something that I consider a sacrament. I receive no respect for my views, as a matter of fact,I have vile perverts like this Hilton creature telling ME that I am a bad person. Go back into your closets and shut up if you don't want to hear what your vileness looks like to the majority of humanity. Just saying that wrong is right doesn't really make it so.

Rudolf
" Just look at all the women at the Fox News Channel "

No problem

Mentally and Spiritually ill Heterphobic
liars such as drama queen hilton are all part of an extortion group who tries to bully through the media and through the politicians they have paid off. it all adds up to the "homosexual mafia," which has for years been working to force the world to accept a perverted behavior, which for centuries has been recognized as a Mental Illness, as "normal," and fine.
The behavior is not love and it is not "normal" any more than sex with animals is. The heterphobic mafia has managed to perpetrate it's lie of "victimhood" mostly through pay offs to politicians and the media and by manipulating the lack of common sense of so many of today's generation, and their gullibility. Most clear thinking people understand the abnormality of this behavior and look at it as such. The homosexual/heterphobic loud mouths have exploited the isolated incidents of abuse against persons with this mental disorder and have manipulated it into a "victimhood" minority campaign used to force society to accept this abnormality and give this behavior "societal value," and even special priviledges.
hilton is a perfect example of the majority of homosexuals, mentally disturbed abusive time bombs ready to go off. these homosexuals have no respect for the opposite sex, in fact hate it, as displayed by hilton. hilton is the poster boy/girl for homosexuality, full of hate and intolerance, full of anger and given the opportunity, such as he was, hilton, like hitler and most of his mentally ill hate filled homosexuals, will abuse their power to try and impose their will on others. male ? homosexuals pretend to like women but the reality is that they detest and hate them, as displayed by hilton and as displayed by lesbians towards man.

honour
The whole brouhaha can be reduced to a simple question. Did the homo ask a political and religious question?

Yes, he did. And Miss California acted honourably and stated her personal belief.

Any person with honour would recognize that people have a right to disagree and to state their personal opinions.

The homo's subsequent vulgar public remarks show that he does not even understand what honour means.

He demonstrated that he is NOT a Real American since he does not believe in the values and laws of the USA: the First Amendment to the Constitution (right to free speech).

And so we have another homo trying to impose his idealogy and behavior on Americans.

I have referred to him as a "homo" because he does not even merit a personal name; he is just another mindless, despicable, vulgar creature. But what else can we expect from Hollywood?

Dumb Judge
"In pageants, just like in politics, it's probably best to just give a neutral answer, where you're not committed to one side or the other, if you want to win."

In other words, according to Judge Jordan, the Miss U.S.A pageant is a contest in which the best lier (or someone with absolutely no convictions) should win - and this for someone who is supposed to be a role model for girls?

No thanks.

on contestants and questions
If the pageant contestant is under some sort of obligation to give the politically correct answer, then what is the reason to bother asking the question in the first place?

bostguy112
Ah. A normal healthy response.

How refreshing.

More of the same
This is just more gay "rights" drivel being forced down out throats and they get upset whenever someone stands up to them. Miss CA should NEVER apologize to anyone for what she believes least of all to that useless thing...hilton.

Ken,
Good question! In fact, why not coach the girls on what the "politically correct" answers to the questions are - at least then the contest is one of memorization skills. After all, they freely admit they're looking for someone with just the "right" viewpoint (whatever that is) - so let the contestants know what the viewpoint is.

Heterphobics/homos out of control
They used to say "we are not hurting anyone," and "the privacy of their own bedroom." Now they are way out of their "bedroom" and like they love to say "on our faces," working to impose their perveted beliefs on all of US and more !
Enough is Enough, we need to stand up for what is right, specially freedom of speech.
We also need to stop this heterphobic mob that wants to impose their perversion on the rest of us and we need to protect the santicty of marriage. They manipulated to change the meaning of the word gay because they hate to confront their behavior of homo/sexuality for what it really is, a perversion. Now they continue on their quest to impose their perversion on all of us by degrading the traditional institution of marriage and manipulating and extorting society to accept this behavior and degrade the meaning of marriage to include this mentally ill behavior and it's victims.
The homosexual/heterphobic mob is out of control and will not stop on it's own. Wake up America !

Proud to be...(reply # 24)
Thanks so much for using the correct term to describe advocates of special rights for homosexuals: "Heterophobes"!
It's time we started using this term consistently as a gesture of equality to them!
Bob

USA Pageant
The question was intended to stir controversy and should never have been allowed except for the infiltration of these events by those with specific agendas to influence views.
Gays are a small part of our population and they have made rapid gains in our society, although complete acceptance may be impossible for generations due to society's history of viewing homosexuality as not normal. One may be born without arms or legs and this is not normal, but society owes it to them to treat them with respect and dignity.
Gays need to accept patience as a virture. They have come a long way in a short period and although this may be insufferable to them in demanding equal rights with heterosexuals, the reality is society will not allow their discomfort with homosexuality to have change forced overnight.
They need to distance themselves from aberrant behavior exhibited at many gay events if they are to be accepted. Perhaps it is disturbing to them to have to be accepted but all forms of behavior have to meet certain societal criteria. To be accepted, one has to conform to certain norms.
Marriage has always been between a man and woman, since time began. Civil unions satisfy the legal implications of same-sex unions. To demand change to that which has always been is a difficult thing, not impossible, but one that society has to make in its acceptance and not change forced upon it.

Chuck
"bostguy112
Ah. A normal healthy response.

How refreshing. "

My wife would tell you too healthy,lol


Aparently they would rather the
contestants lie in their answers than answer honestly.


Hit the Nail on the Head
Hi David,
Thanks for voicing the obvious. I am glad to read your viewpoint turning the tables on Perez Hilton. Carrie Prejean stands as the champion of freedom of expression in this ridiculous tiff. Perez is the one who owes the apology for betraying his office as judge in the beauty contest.

Please see my views on this subject in my editorial blog: A Child (and Beauty Queen) Shall Lead Them. http://giraffeheartpress.blogspot.com/2009/04/child-shall- lead-them.html

Daniel Davies
daviesdm@gmail.com

And, as always, the lies just keepcoming
'I don't care what your "sky pixie" says'

'We find priests and rabbis to do the deed.'

WHY? Why have men of faith consencrate a union to the "sky pixie" YOU don't believe in?

'If civil unions = marriage (minus "sky pixie") and civil unions are OURS and YOU have marriage than okay.

But, that isn't what your pushing for, is it?

And the lies just keep coming...

((Here's a shocker: MOST people voted for prop 8 in CA. MOST people support marriage as a HETERO UNION. YOU "GET OVER IT."))

IF
the ladies in these pageants arent going to be allowed to have opinions then these events are nothing but Beauty/PC Contest. The winner is the prettiest girl who can recite the PC crap most sincerely.

BTW The Fox News babes are the hottest in the business and so are the Republican dames!! Those democrat dogs need to be put back i nthe pound...pelosi, clinton, boxer etc etc etc

Again?
This is back in the news again?

Does anyone care?!

And, if this girl has such problems with gay men, who is going do fix her hair, makeup, dress, etc., next time she competes?

civil marriage vs. holy matrimony
Some responders to the article seem to be blurring the border of church and state.

The concept of "Holy Matrimony" is clearly religious. Some churches will not marry people who have been divorced. Some will not marry couples who are not members of their church. Churches and other religious institutions have the right to determine who is entitled to their sacred blessing. This is their right and it should not be infringed.

On the other hand, aren't all government performed marriages by definition "civil unions?"


Perez Hilton
The bottom line is Gays are so militant about forcing Gay marriage on us because they think it will help to "legitimize", or "gain respect" for their lifestyle, which they sorely crave. This new-found "respect" will add tremendous amounts of young people to their numbers, which of course will give them even more power. It will also dramatically increase the number of AIDS cases in the U.S., especially among men.

Hats off to Prejean for having the courage to express her beliefs in a non-confrontational manner. Shame on the Miss USA panel for allowing such a confrontational and destructive question to be asked. If Gays cannot control their emotions when given the honor to be a panelist in such an event, they do not belong on such a panel.

Yo ....
It Is NOT BIGOTUS TO WANT THE WHOLE OF MANKIND TO KNOW TRUTH. UNLIKE THOSE SELLING THE LIE THAT gAY IS OK.THE TRUTH IS THE ONLY THING gAYS ARE VICTOMS OF IS THEIR OWN CHOICE TO BE SEXUALY DEVIANT TO THE PURPOSE OF SEX AND GENDER.TRUTH IS YOU GAIN NOTHING IN GIVING UP GOD FOR gAY.

ellen
You make a good distinction between holy matrimony and civil marriage however, I think it misses the point. In few if any places marriage was never "defined" as between one man and one woman and as a result gays seized the opportunity to challenge the long held understanding of "marriage". I also don't believe, I may be wrong, that gays would not have been allowed to enter into "civil unions" either before all this. A marriage in a church is blessed by that church but the state recognizes it as a "legal" marriage just as if a JP had performed it.

Pageant was at fault
Who ever was runnng this pageant was at fault. You don't ask a politically loaded question to a contestant unless you are willing to accept that any answer will create a controversy. This is not Meet the Press and Ms. CA is not a politician.

That said, gay people should have equal rights and that includes the right to marrage. It is time that Conservatives just gave it up and stopped trying to push their religion on everyone else. You keep your marrage and let them have theirs. For a party so gung ho on individual freedom, states rights, and less government, you are all about setting the terms about how other people live on the thinnest of rationale. and PS the bible says so is the worst rationale of all.

Being against gay marrage is so retro. It will happen and people will look back at you and see you in the same unflattering way that they see the seggregationists in the old south.

ellen
also while all marriages are civil unions I dont believe all civil unions are marriages.

astromc
So lets get this straight Gay people who are angry because their rights are violated are militant. But gun owners who are angry or concerned that their rights might be violated are not militant.

What do you want gay people to do sit around waiting for people like you to decide to treat them like equal citizens?

Injustice should offend all of us.


R-E-S-P-E-C-T: NOT!
Aretha gets her "props", though!
Though it's been said (and denied!) many times in many forums, once more:
The Heterophobic community seeks NOTHING less than moral acceptance. Ie; The acceptance of their lifestyle as normal and legitimate.
WORD UP: (As the kids used to say): NOT HAPPENING, period!
The smokescreen of "equal rights" is just a pretense.
As seen by the recent passage of the expanded categories of federally protected classes to include "sexual preference", their goal is to suppress and even criminalize ALL speech in opposition.
If the heterosexual majority ALLOWS this to happen (which is the only way it WILL happen!), then shame on US!
Bob

Nature discriminates
Even in the eyes of nature homosexual relationships are not equal to heterosexual relationships. Is there anyone out there reading this that is the natural born CHILD of a homosexual relationship? I rest my case!

Humanity would become extinct with only homosexual activity; survival of the human race is dependant on heterosexual activity. Is there anyone out there that cares to dispute that fact?

Therefore, just as nature discriminates against homosexual activity, there is a very logical reason for mankind to discriminate in how it recognizes homosexual activity versus heterosexual activity. Marriage is the long standing recognition that heterosexual activity is superior to homosexual activity, and it should remain that way. Redefining marriage will not eliminate nature's law. Is that not science?

Homosexuals must not have any pride in their heritage. Such sexual behavior means they are a broken branch in their family tree. They bare no leaves, no fruit, nor other branches.

Nature, either by means of a supreme being or evolution, as you choose to believe, did not make homosexuals equal to heterosexuals, that is quite clear. If they are not equal in nature, then why should mankind grant them equality in law?

No homosexual stallion would ever dominate a herd. A homosexual bull in the pasture would soon be sent to slaughter. These are facts of life.

Homosexuals have a tough time realizing they are truly inferior in the eyes of nature, and therefore must scream for recognition from man, recognition they do not deserve.

The survival of a nation is dependent on the next generation. Therefore, the government should recognize heterosexual activity above that of homosexual activity. Marriage is that recognition!

n
I don't know I say the photos from the Tea parties and well. As to Fox, yea they hire a lot of eye candy and many of them are smart.

Liberals want 1st Amendment Rights

Liberals want 1st Amendment Rights for everyone, as long as the 'Free Speech' always agrees with Liberal 'Feelings' and NO Liberal is offended.

WHO'S IN - WHO'S OUT - POINTS TO PONDER

WHO'S IN: BLACKS, GREENS, GAYS ...

WHO'S OUT: WHITES, MALES, HETEROSEXUALS ...

POINTS TO PONDER:

.....WHY ARE GAY MALES JUDGING FEMALE BEAUTY CONTESTS? ...

.....WHY DO BLACKS GET SO MUCH MUCH AIR TIME ON TV RELATIVE TO THEIR PROPORTION OF THE POPULACE? ...

.....WHY IS C02 SOLD TO THE PUBLIC AS A POLLUTANT? ...

.....WHY HAS THE AMERICA THAT EXISTED IN 1945 GONE INTO A DEATH SPIRAL? ...


.....COLOSSUS

Hilton a hate-monger and a disgrace
I can't believe Hilton's hypocrisy. He was the one who asked the question in the first place...and based on his subsequent statements it's clear he required her to give the Politically Correct answer: nothing else would do.

And Hilton's rude hysterics afterwards...using the B word and C word just play into the anti-gay stereotype of gay men as hateful and emotional shrews. In their struggle for gay rights, the last thing gays need is scumbags like Hilton as their public face.

GAYS WON'T BE HAPPY UNTIL

....EVERY AMERICAN ACCEPTS FUDGE PACKING AND MUFF DIVING AS WHOLESOME AS MOM'S APPLE PIE AND BASEBALL .....COLOSSUS

JMO a.k.a. Sean Penn
At least come up with your own stuff please.

No one is saying how anyone should live except the leftist libs. No one is stopping a gay man from MARRYING a woman, they do that on their own. All we want to have happen here is define the word marriage as one man to one woman. We can define the "joining" of one man and one man or one woman and one woman as something else and they can have every right as a married couple but lets not call their "joining" anything other then what it is an "abomination". I can here it now...the person officiating will say " We gather here today to join these 2 peolpe in holy abomination..." I LIKE IT!!!!!!

People will look back on people like you and say its jackholes like that that sold our country out.

JMO
Fox does have lots of eye candy!!!!

Please list the "rights of gays" that are being violated?

I would have been deeply offended
if a Christian woman would have supported homosexuality. Especially just to win a contest.

baseball doc
It's worse than that they want to recruit our children.

D Fayette, your
- 9:17 AM post is the most cogent post on this subject I have ever read.

Appealing to the intellect, powers of reasoning;.......... convincing:

Gay is not ok
Gay is not ok.Nor will it ever be ok to be gay.The people saying it is or it will are lieng.They get upset when you dont buy the lie.

A futile struggle
IMO gays will achieve all the specific things they're pursuing (gay marriage, adoption, military service)...because each of these are tangible "rights" that can be codified and granted through the courts. They'll eventually get it all.

But it will be a hollow victory. Whether they know it or not, what gays are really after is Moral Equivilency. And since this can't be legislated they're not going to get it. IMO homophobia, like all forms of bigotry, is part of the human condition. We can tamp it down a bit, but we'll NEVER be rid of it.

So. For all you gays out there, I wish you luck but don't get your hopes up.

I think Perez Hilton
was simply jealous. He spent the whole evening dreaming about himself in a revealing bathing suit and evening gown. Making a beautiful speech and wearing the crown. She ruined it for him. MIke Adams had a picture of him on his column yesterday. All I can say is "ick".

Not equal
Gays cant reproduce in the confines of a marriage so its easy to see why they are not equal.

Jealousy
"Perez" is just jealous of Ms. California that more men are attracted to her than they are him...must really get to Perez.

Implants: so this is what the debate has come to...Ms. California somehow "isn't real". Well, I suspect that the vast majority of the participants were similarly enhanced.

As stated above "Who cares"??

The tactic noted: drag her through the mud thereby giving the rest of us warning that the gay community tolerance is anything but.

Hate Speech crimes
have passed the House of Reps.
OBAMA promises to sign.

This new law will be twisted by judges to take away our freedom of religion and speech. After all if you something like " The Bible says homosexuality is sin " then you are responsible for influencing the crimes that are committed against homosexuals.

Fight the Senate now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE ANTI LIBERAL ZONE
has an essay up chronicling the shrinking pool of Obomunists! Looks like the messiah is losing his flock. (Click on my handle to check it out.)

Libstains, you're invited to TRY and refute the facts.

shorts
The word on the street is that you're into pants perch and trouser trout. How are you and Perez Hilton getting on?

hate
The only tolerant one in the Miss USA pageant was Carrie Prejean. Denouncing her beliefs is the epitomy of intollerance but what can you expect from the moral turpitude of those grossly bigoted fools.

shorts
What are you saying?

I can't imagine anything more
embarassing right now than to say you think OBAMA is doing a great job.

shorts
I think Perez is ugly. He's ugly.

JohnR22
You make some great points. While gays may in fact gain every manner of right they seek they will never gain the respect or acceptance of everyone they so strongly desire. While people may say publically they are for gay "rights" for fear of hysterical gay retribution like Miss CA got from queen hilton, inside people will loathe, laugh at and feel disgust for gays and their lifestyle. That is something gays will never legislate away.

LOL
I wassurprised myself when baseballdoc wrote that. I muff dive and I KNOW my wife loves when I do too. baseballdoc did you mean somethign else?

Disgusting Subject
This country has sunk into the sewer when things homosexual are openly discussed on the airwaves and I notice that once again the majority is being overwhelmed by a very tiny majority. It is immaterial what is legislated because in the minds of rational people, homosexuals do not 'marry.' The girl has a right to an opinion, as does everyone else, and that should be enough said, however given the attitudes of the pageant organizers, I think that the pageant should be boycotted. I am really tired of hearing about all minorities and I am tired of having filth and perversion presented as main-stream, because it is not. This whole topic is disgusting.

Islam
Demographic trends show that all of Europe will be Muslim with in 20 or so years. In England churches are being converted to mosques at an alarming rate. Canada within 50 years will be Muslim. Western cultures with their homosexualization and abortion practices are insuring that they are not going to replace themselves. If Christianity is not true ( I believe it is) then even the United States within another generation will be Muslim. 20 years ago there were a couple hundred thousand Muslims in the US, now there are over 9 million. The average Lib says that Christianity is just as bad as Islam. The homosexuals and libs do all they can in our schools to destroy the next generations belief. The spiritual vacuum will be filled with Islam. Those whom pervert God's law will then see how tolerant and peaceful Islam is, compared to the true love that Christians showed them. Judgement will come to the perverters one way or the other.
Sodom and Gomorra were not destroyed because everyone was a homosexual. They were destroyed because everyone accepted it. Will God use Islam to judge us? Even if you do not agree on the reasons I give for judgement, you cannot refute the demographic trends. Islam will kill you. Like Achmindinajad says " we have no homosexual problem in Iran".

n
You say, "also while all marriages are civil unions I dont believe all civil unions are marriages." While that's usually the truth, there are exceptions.

What about the Yearning for Zion cult where underage girls were coerced into polygamous unions with middle-aged and older men? These unions had the full blessing of their "church" (if you want to call it that), but certainly were not state approved civil marriages.

Thanks
To all the posters who have stopped using "gay". These people are not gay, they are twisted and bitter. The militants should never be called "gay" they should be called homos or other things that the editors here on Town Hall won't accept, but not "gay".
By the way with all the brouhaha over this can anyone think of who "won" the contest? Real quick now, no peeking. Who won?

ATTENTION ALL
THE ANTI LIBERAL ZONE has an essay up for CONSERVATIVES! (Click on my handle to check it out.)

Libstains, stay away, it's over your pointed heads, you would not and could not BEGIN to understand it.


ellen
I didnt mean to suggest that just because a church "blesses" a marriage that its a good one, what I meant was from a legal standpoint the state recognizes the performance of that ceremony as a valid (legal) marriage, in other words there is no reason to have that marriage peformed by a civil official like a JP.


Government Involvement in Marriage

Why did the government become involved in marriage?

Modern Marriage started in 1753 in England and Wales and it was named the Marriage Act of 1753 or Lord Hardwicke's Marriage Act and it called for the couple to be at least 21 years old and if they weren't then they needed the consent of the parent.

Before this law the couple could be as young as seven years old and get married.

They also had to get married in a church or the marriage wouldn't be legal.

The original Marriage Act was the result of the many orphans being abandoned and becoming a burden on society.

The Marriage contract made men responsible for their children relieving society from the financial burden of raising those children and placing it where it belonged.

'Collectivists' always want to take the 'Bad Decisions' and actions of individuals and place the results of those bad actions and decisions on othe American Citizens in the name of 'Sacrifice For The Common Good'.

The Marriage act NEVER had anything to do with sexual preferences but rather the protection of children - which Homosexuals cannot have by definition.

Homosexuals want the rights and benefits extended to those who conceive and bear children even though they are incapable of procreation.

Society by law, decided to extend benefits to the blind.

Analogous to what Homosexuals want by 'Homosexual Marriage' is for a sighted citizen to receive the same rights as someone who is blind.

Homosexuals immediately respond by citing instances where a man and woman are married that are incapable of procreation, because of medical issues.

Present laws do NOT require a medical exam to prove the ability of a couple to procreate before marriage which of course would be a violation of privacy rights.

Every American Citizen has the same right to marry a consenting adult of the opposite sex as any other American Citizen.




shorts
didn't your mother teach you how to talk in the presence of ladies and even princesses?

shorts
"I venture to bet that my woman is 40 years younger then anything you have..."

So you're hitting an eight year old? You libs are seriously sick.

I'll give your mom your regard when I see her tonight.

To the Christians here...
There is NO POINT arguing with the homosexuals posting here. They are blinded by their own lust and God has given them over to it (see Romans). Arguing will only anger them, and debate has NEVER converted anyone. Just follow Miss CA's example: love the sinner, hate the sin; pray for those who are depraved enough to engage in such disgusting behavior, that they too may be saved by Jesus Christ through the workings of the Holy Spirit.
I know this post will generate lots of hatred from the homosexuals posting, so I say now: Father, forgive them, they know not what they do.

Incorrect term
There is nothing whatsoever "gay" about sexual perversion.

Quite Simply
h0m0s are disgusting contempible swine. They and the DNC deserve one another.

The PC Way Is The Way Do You Understand?
It is now perfectly clear that those who support the gay (homosexual) lifestyle cannot and will not tolerate any dissent to their political mantra. It is now obvious to even the casual observer that gay activist's extreme positions requires them to destroy those offering an alternative view point. Worse yet, they don't seem to understand how intolerant it is that they've become.
My hat is off to Miss USA California for sticking by her convictions and speaking her honest opinion. The gays be damned--they need to go back reread the First Amendment; if they ever read it at all. If more of us have the courage to speak our heartfelt values this PC crap will end, as it should. Enough of the liberal left controlling the political conversation and our social values.

GunnyG-Joycey-N-BGuy112-Others
Peter Puffer Hilton was jealous because the girls go to wear pretty dresses and he didn’t.

It looked like a setup to me. Was Miss CA overheard backstage espousing Christian Beliefs? Did any other contestant have to field such a pointed question?

As for Peter Puffer Hilton, he and the rest of the Shite Eaters continue to screw themselves to death. WHAT A SHAME!

me
It might surprise you that not everyone who is pro gay rights is gay. Just like not everyone who believed that Jim Crow laws were evil was black.

And Gays wanting to marry is the perfect proof of how stupid you are. If all that Gays wanted to do was lust they would not need equal protection in their long term relationships with a significant other.

Hate the sin, OK with me but stay out of their business. Have your views and your marrrage, but don't try to use the state to impose YOUR views on others.

As to Ms. CA. I don't recall her being any kind of activist prior to this question in fact her answer at first was confusing, but know she sees an opportunity to be a spokesperson and lot of people around her telling her you go girl. We used to call that being an opportunist.

She is certainly entitled to her opinions and you to your even if they are biggoted.

And I question whether you love the sinner. I think you hate the sinner and want to make sure you don't have to to see them loving outside the shadows like they used to do. Admit it Gays disgusts you.

So you are all about getting the government to do your bidding.

Do want you want in your church but leave gay people alone they are not hurting you or your marrage.

Larry
If someone were challeging you right to be treated equally would you attiude be OK they are entitled to vote to have you rights taken away.

When Gays start suggesting that straignt people should not have have the rights that gays have, the you can call them militant.


n
You present an infantile definition of equality when you say that a gay man is free to marry a women. And there are many rights that are ascribed to married couples like tax benefits, right to make medical decisions, share in pensions, be covered under a spouse' health plan and many more rights.

You know there was a time when people of different races were not allowed to marry. And every arguement you make would have applied to that evil situation as well.

At least some of the posters here are honest they say outright that they find gay people to be vile and disgusting. They hatred and biggoty is right out there in the open. Not very pretty, but it is after all their OPINION.


Baseball Doc
Yea, I hear you. Why can't we go back to the good old days when gays were in the closet and beating them up for fun was OK. Back to a time when blacks were not so uppity and a women pledged in marrage to obey her husband. You know change can really suck when you had every thing going for you before.


JMO
And its just as infantile for gays to claim their "rights" have been violated. There are no GAY rights. I am also on record as saying give gays whatever "benefits" they want for being with their partners I COULD CARE LESS, my disagreement is in changing the definition of marriage to suit them. What do gays REALLY want? The benefits afforded to other maarried couples? If so then what difference does it make what we call it? But thats not what they want is it mr infantile?

JMO
Your equating gay rights to civil rights is the most stupid thing I have ever seen a supposed adult human propose. If you or anyone like you cant see the difference then youare even more stupid then I could ever imagine.

Homosexuals demand legitimacy 3
Homosexual marriage has become a cause célèbre for liberals and "social progressives" who do not want to live in a society that honors God. They choose politicians who have worse, or certainly no better, moral values than themselves. That makes them part of the ruling class, they think. Listen to them in these threads. "We won! You serve US now!"
It is also a cause célèbre for fascists, marxists, Muslims, and all America-haters. They push for it, because it justifies their hatred of this country and all subversive or terrorist attacks on the United States of America. And if we come under the control of a Fascist or Islamic regime, the first to be targeted and destroyed will be the homosexuals.
There should be no doubt that granting homosexual marriage will further weaken our country and foment hatred and strife. However, this is the goal of the agitators behind the movement. Then, again, if it is possible that the nation escapes fascism perpetrated by the present administration and political leaders, or takeover by Islamic interests, and if same-sex unions proliferate, in a few generations, America could be only a wasteland.

JMO
Why do you hate gays so much? YOU are the ONLY one who has said ANYTHING about beating up gays. Not ONE person here who is opposed to gay marriage has EVER suggested such a thing is appropriate, the ONLY one to do that is YOU!!!! Why do you hate gays so much?

JMO
is the REAL homophobe. Look how he advocates beating up gays. Does anyone here besides JMO advocate beating up gays? JMO no one here appreciates your hatred.

Homosexuals demand legitimacy 2
Perhaps the last barrier to a culture losing its moral base is marriage. Monogamous marriage separates human beings from the animals. Even some animals, an humbling indictment of divorce among humans, mate for life and procreate their species.

Marriage was instituted and ordained by God for a man and a woman as the moral and practical context for procreating and rearing children. Homosexuals unions do not produce children. There is no practical, moral, or legal la raison de être for the existence of "homosexual marriage’ that will benefit society. The union/marriage of a man and a woman has been the fundamental social unit in every society, and strong families are the foundation of strong communities.

JMO
NO ONE deserves to be beat up no matter who they are or what they believe unless they threatne your life and my life has never been threatened by a gay person. Has yours? Is that why you hate gays so much?

Homosexuals demand legitimacy 1
Homosexuals demand legitimacy for their abhorrent sexual lifestyle. They know they are deviant, but if they can get enough foolish people to say that they are just the "normal" average Joe, then they can appear in society as the norm. But that doesn’t satisfy them, they aspire to trump every moral code and replace it with their amorality.

JMO51
"Hate the sin, OK with me but stay out of their business. Have your views and your marrrage, but don't try to use the state to impose YOUR views on others."

You mean like they're using the state to implse their will on us? hate crimes that protect only "special groups?" Forcing US to accept openly h0m0 marriages?

They want to freak out behind closed doors, rock on. I don't want to see it on TV, in public, or in the courts.

is the 15 mins. over yet?
How many gay bashing, Perez H extending articles have there been now?

The majority of TH has expressed opinions with much the same virulence as P. Hilton.

Hilton is a jerk, but his equivalent here in TH feels self righteous enough to say they are backed up by the word of God and Jesus.
Powerful words everyone is supposed to back up and be awed by?
That's even LOWER to invoke something like that, when the standards of equality hasn't nearly the record of abuse that religion does.

In response to P. H's behavior, the gay community has reached out compassionately to Ms. Prejean, and Limbaugh lies, gay people and folks like me HAVE denounced PH. They just aren't making as MUCH out of it as the anti gay faction because the story didn't warrant it. Ms. CA lost to someone who shared the same opinion, she just articulated it better. But blaming the gays has profit and traction, even where it shouldn't.

"Equal Rights"
Homos have negated their own argument that they simply want "Equal Rights" with heterosexuals.
They seek to deny equal rights to people who do not agree with them.

The current Hate Crime bill to give unequal protection to homos (and others) passed by the House is a violation of the amendment about equal rights. Homos demand not equal rights but superior rights. According to their ideology a hate crime should be punished more severely than the same crime that cannot be classified as such. This is a violation of the Constitution (the basic law of the US).

The California Prop 8 aftermath is another example of homos violating the rights of people who supported the prop. Essentially some homos activists acted like thugs in trying intimidate voters before and after the vote. They do not respect the rights of citizens to vote against them and try to suppress contrary opinions.

In terms of uncivilized behavior, watch their public behavior during marches and festivals.

Their claim for Equal Rights is bogus. What they seek is Thought Control where they will tolerate anyone with a different opinion about them (violation of First Amendment).

And that is why they are not Real Americans.

Get your own word

Words have meaning, and different words describe items or actions that are similar, but different.

Those with a birth defect have already screwed up the usage of words like Qu*er and Gay, now go find your own word for two homosexuals who are committed to each other, love each other, and have performed a ceremony to advertise that union.

For example the word “Gay” is no longer useful in polite conversation between normal people, by that I mean people who do not have a certain birth defect.

That new word would also apply to any two or more people of whatever sex or relationship, who wish to live together, or at least be in constant association with each other, including the right to control health care, and inherit goods when death occurs, and other such things.

The dictionary says the following, so get your own words, and leave these alone.

Marriage: the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife

Husband: a man joined in marriage to a woman

Wife: a woman joined in marriage to a man

If two men say they are married to each other, do they have a marriage? Answer No.

Two families pay money each month to live in a house, is it the same? No, one pays rent, the other pays a mortgage.

Two wheeled vehicles are going down the street, are they the same? No, one is a bike, the other a motorcycle.

Two multi-wheeled vehicles are going down the street, are they the same? No, one is a car, the other is a truck.

If a man and a woman are married to each other, do you have a marriage? Yes, of course.

du
Thank you for the info. Could you provide some examples of how the gay community has reached out to Miss Prejean? You would also do your cause a great deal of good by listing what prominent gay leaders have denounced Perez Hilton and repudiated his misogynistic hate speech. I have not yet encountered any examples of it, but you seem to be the guy to ask about it!

SHORTS, N & JM051

.....ATTENTION ALL MUFF DIVERS ...

...SHORTS ..."Long live muff divers of the world , real men dive" ..... well I guess that lets you out ...

...N ...You know that I was referring to female muff divers which I find as odious as male sword swallowers ...as far as my own personal practices I prefer to keep them private and not broadcast what I do in the bedroom on a public forum ...my condolences to your wife ...

...JMO51 ...You got that right, those were the good ole days ....actually blacks and gays have had the same Constitutional rights as whites, at least since the 14TH amendment ...what they want now is special rights at the expense of white Christians ...I believe they used to call thAT discrimination ...now they call it pay back .....COLOSSUS

Julie A writes
"I am deeply offended by someone calling my God a
'Sky Pixie'."

Poor baby.

"Would you dare refer to 'Allah' by that name?"

Damn right I would. They're *all* sky pixies. Except for the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

"The main problem in this world is that people have lost the 'fear' of God."

I'd have thought radical islam a much greater threat. And guess what? They do it in the name of their sky pixie.

"Indeed the world has been weighed and found wanting."

Weighed by whom? And judged by whom? You? Your sky pixie?

"Hate crimes is about to become a reality, and those of us who love truth and God and the bible will become criminals."

Reprehensible though hate-crime legislation is, you do identify one possible benefit.

"Bring it on!!!"

Unfortunately, this is most unlikely.

Homosexuals demand legitimacy 4
Don’t be surprised if you learn that rabid environmentalists also champion same-sex marriage. De-population of our nation first and then the earth is their ideal. They think the only way to “save mother earth” is to get rid of all these human consumers.

Agenda 21, being taught in public schools as a result of UNESCO’s Decade of Sustainable Development Education 2005-2014 is indoctrinating children at a faster pace than ever before. They will learn, among other things, that the traditional family is “not sustainable.” (Neither are single family homes, lawns, farming, commercial farming, irrigation, and the list goes on.) Couple the radical environmental indoctrination of children with the unprecedented access that homosexuals have in our public schools to indoctrinate and recruit, and expect the numbers of children who were “born gay and lesbian” to mushroom.

Climate change is just a smoke screen for all the radical societal change that this administration wants to make in the USA. The energy bill – cap and trade - will put unprecedented burdens on traditional families and single family homes.

Jay Wye
"This is NOT true because civil unions were offered in CA and MA and lawsuits were filed to force homo "marriages" in MA,and in CA they still demanded "marriage"."

Rubbish. CA and MA can do what they want. That won't get you Social Security benefits or absolve you from paying death taxes. If it's not EXACTLY equal, at both state and federal levels, I'm not interested.

"And it's NOT a "civil rights" thing,as homos have the SAME rights as heteros;to marry person of the OPPOSITE sex,as that has always been the definition of "marriage" for several 1000 years.This issue is more about using the courts to FORCE acceptance of the homo "lifestyle" than anything else.You can see that in the lawsuits they file and politics they advance."

Blah blah. Just unsupported assertions.

MellorSJ2 If you can call Julies's
God "sky pixie," is it all right if she called your homosexual friends queers?

Indeed they do, well now
"And, as always, the lies just keepcoming" 'I don't care what your "sky pixie" says'"

Not a lie. I don't care.

"'We find priests and rabbis to do the deed.'"

I didn't write this. But if priests/rabbis are willing to do the deed, what's the problem. All the Pastafarians will do it.

"WHY? Why have men of faith consencrate a union to the "sky pixie" YOU don't believe in?"

Lost your grip on reality, eh? I wouldn't.

But a gay friend of mine goes to mass regularly, and he might. Who are you to tell him he can't?

"'If civil unions = marriage (minus "sky pixie") and civil unions are OURS and YOU have marriage than okay."

Is that not what I said? Except that I said it in clear English.

"But, that isn't what your pushing for, is it?"

It is what I'm pushing for, as I have said repeatedly. If others push for more, they have that right. Their antics do not invalidate the requirement for equal rights for gays, just as Al Sharpton's antics do not invalidate equal rights for black folk.

And the lies just keep coming...

((Here's a shocker: MOST people voted for prop 8 in CA. MOST people support marriage as a HETERO UNION. YOU "GET OVER IT."))

tolerance
Anyone paying attention to media reports can see that homos lack tolerance for views different from theirs.

The terms they employ also demonstrate this.
The real Bigots are homos; labeling anyone who does not condone their behavior as "homophobes" is a prime example.

There is no reasonable argument for Same Sex Marriage, historical, legal, moral, social, etc.
Just because homos scream "inequality" and "discrimination" does not make it so.

So we have 1-2% of "Americans" trying to intimidate Real Americans and silence them thru Political Correctness.

So who are the real Bigots?

GAY OR WHATEVER
WOW,I guess we're suppossed to hang our head in shame because a bunch of HOMO"s are offended?Funny thing,they seem to think they can say what they want and we are supposed to kneel down and humble ourselves before them!

But here's the thing wierdo,you are in the wrong and we ain't!You didn't seem to learn your lesson when God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah with fire and brimstone.If anybody thinks the good ole USA will escape God's judgement because there are supposedly 80% christians,think again my friend.
Read what happened to the city of TYRE and even Jerusalem in the old testament.Don't be surprised when you feel the earth shift beneath your feet and you go down to the pit.

Gaystapo (Heterophobes) Hate
Even the homosexuals I know agree that they are only 2-3 percent of the population! They also say a real "marriage" between two men that would last and where they aren't engaging in constant extramarital sex is as rare as a cat that doesn't like tuna!
Oh would our religious leaders start a push back to the insane concept that homosexuals can have a real "marriage" which is the ultimate insult to Jesus who said marriage is between ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN!!!!!
Miss California puts to shame the cowards in the pulpits who refuse to preach God's word about the abomination of homosexual behavior that took down SoDamn GayMore.

Those who love the good and

hate the evil, do not fear the angry and hateful supporters of same-sex sodomy.

Stand up and tell the world that Jesus opposes acts of same-sex sodomy.

Stand up and tell the world how those who participate in same-sex sodomy are spreading deliberately spreading disease, death and despair.

Stand up and tell the world how it is insane to eliminate the care of children from the definition of marriage.

Stand up and tell the world how it is insane for a government to sanction and encourage activities, like acts of same-sex sodomy, that damage the society.

Even if, God forbid, same-sex marriage
Even if, God forbid, same-sex marriage became legal in every state in the Union, and changes in the Supreme Court could quickly make a change in current status, it still would not be moral or right.

Just because a thing is legal does not mean that it is right or moral.

People actually DO KNOW in their hearts that homosexual behavior is abominable.

Being “nice” and tolerant is also not always right. People can and do lie by omission: refusing to state the truth. Truth hurts, it is sometimes blunt, but it is not hateful. Our culture is in this sorry state because people were more “nice” than moral. Of course the vulgar and evil acting people who have fouled it think it is just now getting good.

I feel quite sure the people of Sodom and Gomorrah thought they were well off, free to practice their evil unrestrained, but there is a day of reckoning. Galatians 6:7 “Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.”

Ephesians 5:11 “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.”

Our society is ruined and worthy of harsh judgment and chastisement from God because people were too nice and too tolerant of evils that God instructed them to expose and shun. I agree with Ruth Graham who said that God would have to dig up Sodom and Gomorrah and apologize to them if America goes unpunished.

Yes, God loves every sinner and will forgive all who repent and come to Him by Jesus Christ. I am aquainted with homosexuals who know my stand, and know that I pray for them and would help them in need. It was not a difficult thing to extend love and friendship and hugs to one young man dying of AIDS in earlier days when effective treatments were scarce. And he did repent and accept Christ before dying.

shorts
"GummyG
I venture to bet that my woman is 40 years younger then anything you have
But from where I am sitting now in Juan-les-Pins , I pity your sorry old bite
But keep playing
Once more Thanks to the RNC , France has been been wonderful this time of year"

Quite so. Last Friday, Antibes was beyond compare. Today, the sun is shining on Lac D'Annecy and the food and wine is, well, French.

I _really_ love "Gummy." I can picture it now :)

mellnor
get a popsickle,they are better for you.

Prejean
I believe this country is becoming more and more communistic. We are losing our rights to free speech and thought! It is very frightening for me and my family and friends when we consider what this administration is about to do to this country. If those who voted for BO don't start waking up, we are in for totalitarianism and a dictator!

Dangerous homosexual lifestyle
The CA pageant officials are at fault for allowing this troubled and vile person (Perez Hilton) to serve as a judge in the first place. All questions should have been screened in advance by a committee to avoid having one person with an agenda disrupt the event. I know a number of gays. None of them support gay marriage and all of them keep their sexuality to themselves. It is the agenda of this perverse minority, however, that is the problem. They are driven by an insatiable in-your-face narcissism which demands societal recognition and approval. But they will never get it because society knows better. In fact, although the American Psychological Association removed homosexuality from its list of mental disorders in 1973 (due to homosexual lobbying), most psychologists continue to recognize the destructive consequences of this life-style, both physical and mental.

A 2008 study out of the United Kingdom published in the medical journal “BMC Psychiatry” revealed that homosexuals are about 50% more likely to suffer from depression and engage in substance abuse than the rest of the population. Reviewing 25 earlier studies on sexual orientation and mental health, the researchers also found that the risk of suicide jumped over 200% if an individual had engaged in a homosexual lifestyle. Studies conducted in the U.S.
Also noted the severe physical and psychological health risks associated with homosexual behavior, including a life span 24 years than that of a heterosexual, largely a consequence of a combination of promiscuous sexual activity and drug use.

This not a life style that should be treated as normal, particularly in an educational context, as it is now is in Massachusetts where it is peddled to grade school children. Society needs to wake up to the broader agenda of these radical homosexuals. They need sympathy, but their lifestyle does not deserve support, particularly when they are unwilling to acknowledge their own serious shortcomings.


Larry writes
"It is now perfectly clear that those who support the gay (homosexual) lifestyle cannot and will not tolerate any dissent to their political mantra."

And I will not tolerate (*) any dissent against equal rights for races.

What's your point?

(*) You have the right to say anything you want, but that doesn't make you any less contemptible, nor me less likely to heap opprobrium upon you.

SkyPIxie, Huh?
Well, have your fun, those of you who seem to get some kind of pleasure from calling the God of the Universe silly names. I don't think He's too impressed. You will find out who has the last laugh. And it will be too late for you. For eternity.

Breat implants
What does having breast implants have to do with gay marriage? Absolutely nothing! Furthermore, nearly every girl in the pagent most likely has implants. Unfortunately, those running the pagents and, now the girls, think it necessary to have them put in to enhance their looks. Personally, I would like to see them start putting penus implants in male swim suit models. Maybe then we can even out the field.........insanity running wild in this country!

Kandall writes
"A 2008 study out of the United Kingdom published in the medical journal “BMC Psychiatry” revealed that homosexuals are about 50% more likely to suffer from depression and engage in substance abuse than the rest of the population. Reviewing 25 earlier studies on sexual orientation and mental health, the researchers also found that the risk of suicide jumped over 200% if an individual had engaged in a homosexual lifestyle. Studies conducted in the U.S.
Also noted the severe physical and psychological health risks associated with homosexual behavior,"

I wonder why that might be? Could it be exclusion from the rest of human intercourse? Families that reject you? Xians that hate you (while pretending otherwise)? Discrimination by the state? The inability to celebrate (and cement) long-term relationships?

"including a life span 24 years than that of a heterosexual, largely a consequence of a combination of promiscuous sexual activity and drug use."

That canard _again_??? Puh-leeze!

is everyone associated with the pagent
a homosexual? Should heterosexuals be offended?

Gay life expectancy 40-45 years.
Heterosexual life expectancy 73 years. And we are all suposed to pretend that the gay life style is somehow healthy. I hope I didn't just committ a hate crime.

MellorSJ2 Did you feebly say

“And I will not tolerate (*) any dissent against equal rights for races.” ????

Races? Dog races? Horse races?

No one capable of thinking would call homosexuals a separate “race.” You have exposed the core fallacy of your argument that homosexuals do not have equal rights.

If homosexuals belong to the human race, be they black, half black, white, or half white, yellow, red, or smurf blue, they have equal opportunity and equal protection under the law…well before hate crimes legislation it was equal, now, in many places protection is certainly tipped in their favor.

Two things...
Self-avowed 'tolerant' people are not tolerant. Same for inclusive.

It's not fair that I don't have MD (medical doctor) after my name so I am now going to call myself Dr. Tadpole, MD and will be opening an office in your town. After all, just because I call myself a doctor does not impact other doctors, right?

Live and let live
If the gay privileges lobby wanted a live-and-let-live society they had it 20 years ago. 20 years ago, the average straight person couldn't care less about the sexual proclivities of Rock Hudson, Liberace, Elton John, Ellen Degeneres, etc. Gays were tolerated for the most part (as much as anyone else was.) Yes, there was violence against gays, but there's violence against just about every demographic. That doesn't make it acceptable, just typical. I knew a few gays in high school (more than average, because I was in theater) some were decent people, others were jerks, just like everyone else.

They stopped wanting equality and live-and-let-live when they started demanding hate-crime laws which are as unequal as segregation. Now they want restrictions on speech and, of course, to redefine marriage to fit their peculiar lifestyle.

If I were in Prejean's position (there's not enough surgery in the world that would get me there, but let's pretend), given the discrimination and bigotry she experienced based solely and expressly on her privately held opinions, I'd tell the Ms. California pageant where they could put their award... sideways.

Gays say they just want a world where they can live in their peculiar lifestyle relatively unmolested. Yeah, well, so do I.

"Gay Marriage" vs The Bride
Marriage is a picture of Christ and the Church. So it's apparent that there is no place in that picture for two men or two women "being" together. There is just no getting around it.

I'm sure it's irritating for them to be constantly banged over the head with Scripture. Truth is like that. It stands and won't change. That's because Jesus Christ is Truth and He promised He would never change.

Sometimes truth is hard to take. It makes us face the fact that we may not get everything we want in life. And we won't get everything we want in this life if what we want goes against God's will for us. And His will is for us to be healthy, well-balanced, raising happy, healthy families, serving others, and bringing glory to His name. That is what we were created for.

The Coming Persecution
I was so disappointed to see a popular young Christian star speak out in favor of Hilton and his crude, rude comments and take a stand against another Christian publicly. Young or not, this girl should know better. Where is the guidance by her parents and pastor? Does she attend a feel-good, seeker-sensitive church? Most likely. She has done so much damage to the cause of Christ with her statements. This is the type of thing that enables those caught in grievous sins to justify their sin and remain in it, winding up in an eternal Hell. That is NOT love. Real love means being willing to administer tough love. Tell the durned truth, painful or not!

It is the compromising Christians such as this young star that will end up tipping the scales and bringing persecution of real Christians in this country. What they don't understand is, after we have our freedom taken away and persecution is at our door, evil will come to the point that even the compromising Christians cannot bear it, and when they finally speak out and say "enough", their freedom will be taken away also and persecution will then fall on them as it did on us.

If the current trend continues, this is what I see coming.

This is the cost that real Christians will have to count. But I urge my Christian brothers and sisters here to remember that we are to be showing forth the love of Christ. I know this is an emotional issue, but please, let's think before we post. I have to remind myself of this too at times.

Nuts
Our world has gone nuts. Watch Obama put a gay justice on the SPC.

MellorSJ2 feebly said
"I wonder why that might be? Could it be exclusion from the rest of human intercourse? Families that reject you? Xians that hate you (while pretending otherwise)? Discrimination by the state? The inability to celebrate (and cement) long-term relationships?"

Oh, the VICTIM ! Homosexual behavior is just that – a behavior – a bad behavior. Bad behavior encouraged to thrive spoils decent society.

I have known brats who were shunned by almost everyone, and they weren’t homosexuals. Just abhorrent brats. I know of criminals who are shunned by decent people, and they are not homosexuals, just criminals that normal people do not want to associate with. And I know Christians who love and pray for them, and reach out to them when no one else will.

Claims of discrimination by the state is so unfounded. It would be discrimination against families to sanction marriage for any union other than one man and one woman.

Inability to celebrate and cement? What a crock! The state didn’t have to tell me I could celebrate my birthday at Grove Park Inn with some of my closest friends. And such celebrations continue to cement friendship. The state didn’t have to sanction my calling my wife to have a celebratory dinner with me at the restaurant where we had our first date – good cementing.

Your arguments are pathetic.

Lack of Justification
Many of us are falling for the "global warming hoax" because of the save our natural world theme. We want to preserve and protect the polar bear from extinction as well as all of the natural species on earth for our future generations. Everywhere we look, people are trying to save nature. What could be more natural than a man marrying a woman and producing children? In fact, all human life on earth depends on it. Now, along comes the gay world trying to justify its existance. There is absolutely nothing natural about a male and a male "marrying." There is nothing natural about a female and a female "marrying." It is an insane philosophy being pushed down our throats by guess who, the gays. I wasn't anti-gay fifty years ago when I was a young man who many considered a "fox." I had a number of gay friends in Portland, Oregon, because I preferred art and theater for amusement and that world is filled with gays. I refused to accept advances and made my position in that area perfectly clear. I am still not anti-gay and believe they have the same rights as I do to follow the life style of their choice. Miss Prejean gave a correct answer and a truly generous one and Mario Armando Lavandeira Jr. (Perez Hilton) responded the way all militant gays do, how dare she defend "natural" marriage. It would appear that gays give the polar bear more rights than humans who follow the natural course of life. I doubt that there are many male polar bears looking to have an intimate relationship with other male polar bears!

The SAME Rights,
Every unmarried adult in the US already has the same marriage rights as every other unmarried adults in the US.

That is, any unmarried adult in the US may marry any other consenting, adult, non-relative of the opposite sex who is not already married to someone else.

Homosexual perverts demanding to marry people of the same sex are not after equal rights -- they have those. They are after special rights.

Its no different than if rapists (who get their kicks from non-consensual sex), demanded the "right" to marry a non-consenting partner.

Its no different than if pedophiles (who get their kicks from sex with the underage), demanded the "right" to marry children.

Its no different than if incestuous perverts demanded the right to marry relatives.

Its no different than if polygamists demanded the right to marry people who are already married to someone else.

Homosexual perverts HAVE equal rights. Having a right that they don't want to exercise is not the same as not having that right.

Attention please
I'm sorry to go off topic, but I just want to let everybody know how proud I am. I have been cloned. That’s right I have joined the esteemed ranks with GunnyG; I have my very own Mini-Me Wanna-Be who calls itself (we haven’t determined the gender yet; I’m kinda afraid to touch it) 13Bravo. Only this 13Bravo is from California, while I, the one and only honest to gosh 13Bravo hails from the great state of Indiana.

So I would like to warn everybody to be careful when reading anything from Faux 13Bravo; first check which state the post comes from, next see if the words in the post are spelled correctly, then check to see if the rants make any sense (remember, I may be crazy, but I at least think before posting).

Finally please beware that Faux 13Bravo hasn’t been potty trained yet. It keeps going on the coffee table then rolling in it’s mess; we tried to rub it’s nose in the poo, but it actually seemed to enjoy that.

Thank you for understanding.

1Harry
Associating Homosexuality with criminal activity as a bad behavior is offensive. Watch out some day there may be a group of political leaders who want to treat going to Church as a bad behavior. Better hope on that day that some unelected judges are there to protect you interests against an out of control majority.

As to social acceptance, laws cannot guarantee social acceptance. The civil rights acts did not end biggoty. But it did end the practice of using the power of the state to promote and back up institutional biggory. First you change the laws and then the attidudes begin to change.

When gays have equal protection under the law they will marry and it will become common place and the sky will not fall. And people will say no big deal. That is what this is about.

Liberals welcome all views
As long as your view agrees with them. And if you don't, you are the lowest scum of the earth and deserve to be persecuted and maybe even shot.

I don't believe that gays should be prevented from getting married. They should have the same rights as everyone else. If a lesbian should find a man that she wants to marry, that is fine with me. If a gay man finds a woman he wants to marry, that is also fine too. If they want to set up house with someone of the same sex, that is not a marriage. Call it what you want to, I just don't care. But, it is not a marriage. Civil union works for me, but if they don't like that term, then make up your own. Marriage is already taken though. That is where a man and a woman join together to set up house and usually raise children.

Victoria - “I was so disappointed
to see a popular young Christian star speak out in favor of Hilton and his crude, rude comments and take a stand against another Christian publicly.”

The popular young star, is just that, a popular young star, but NOT a Christian. No way a Christian can champion homosexual behavior or vulgar attacks on a brother or sister in Christ.

Jesus Christ is the Word of God. A Christian derives his/her life from Christ. That life is compatible with the Word of God. God’s Word forbids the sin of homosexual behavior (sodomy and fornication) and condemns lewd and vulgar speech.

Ephesians 5:3…7 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking… Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.


To all the great "sky pixie" fans
Those who would "dis" God remind me of the elementary school bully on the playground, bragging to the other children about what he would do to that "big kid" if he were around.
All the while the bully is talking, his audience is looking past him to the REALLY big kid standing behind him, taking it all in! :-)

As many have said; Don't kid yourself (any more): God will NOT be mocked, and you WILL pay BIG TIME for your words!

And, (EVERYBODY'S favorite!):
If I'm wrong and there is no God, and the Bible is just a bunch of stories written from mans imagination, at the end of my earthly days, if all that awaits is a "dirt nap", what have I missed in the meantime?
BUT, If YOU are wrong, you will have a VERY long eternity to regret it.
POINT: While there is still breath in your body, God allows "U-turns".
Let the wailing and name calling begin! :-)
Bob

Mother of 4
What you describe is infantile fairness. The fact that you can's see that or put youself in the shoes of the gay person is the problem.

When I see a gay person I see someone who is just like me except that they are attracted to people of the same sex. You see a pervert.

But in the end you are gonna lose on this issue. Little by little state by state Gays will get those equal rights and the sky will not fall. It will become the new normal.

PS I sincerely hope that none of your children has to approach you to tell you he or she is gay. Don't say it can't happen, cause it can and it happens to conservative parents everyday. Then what are you going to do?

Uh Oh ! Shorts And His Sheep !

Monsieur Shorts loves his Mouton et Brebis .

Shorts gives us a tad more information than we needed.


Disgraceful
I'm a liberal, and I support same-sex marriage. But I am deeply disappointed in the reaction to this debacle. I don't usually agree with Limbaugh, but this time he has hit the nail on the head. (OK, I don't agree with everything he said, but 85 percent of it I do.) I wish more people were calling Hilton and his co-conspirators out on this one. Prejean was 100 percent right for answering the question truthfully, even if I didn't agree with her stance. Sure, the answer was a little awkward ("in my America" or whatever the exact words were), but she was not trying to be offensive. Offensive is when the preacher at my church said about Support Gay Pride Day at the local college: "There's only one way to support gays. That's with the rope in the trunk of my car." But I digress. If Hilton didn't want the answer, then he shouldn't have asked the question. If Prejean's answer to the question was enough to keep her from winning the crown, so be it. Crown someone else. But don't act so outraged about it. Miss Prejean has demonstrated nothing but class throughout this situation.

Lib at heart
I agree totally with you. The question was inappropriate for that venue. We need to stop making everything so political.

Prejeans answer was truthful and honest and was in response to a question. I hope the pageant people have learned a lesson. Whats next political questions on American Idol.

Congrats to Miss California!
Don't let the immoral leftist biggots force you to say anything you do not stand for. This should not be an issue, but if the Gays insist on pushing this there are plenty of people who stand by their morals to stand with Miss Calif. Why is a gay activist even a judge in such a contest as this? aIf the gay activist does not want a political or religious answer, perhaps he should refrain from ASKING A POLITICAL OR RELIGIOUS QUESTION!!
Just remember - Hetrosexuals are the majority, by far. Gay's are a minority, so don't let them push you around. I certainly won't!

JMO51 said: Associating Homosexuality
with criminal activity as a bad behavior is offensive. Watch out some day there may be a group of political leaders who want to treat going to Church as a bad behavior. Better hope on that day that some unelected judges are there to protect you interests against an out of control majority.”

Wake up, JMO51, Homosexuality IS bad behavior. And as far as the Church being atttacked, where have you been? That has already happened. Homosexuals have been used as the agitators to secure hate crimes laws which discriminate against everyone except blacks and homosexuals. Homosexuals have physically attacked churches and church leaders, and continue to spew vitriolic attacks against Christians accusing them of hatred even as they pray homosexuals will awake and repent and escape the eternal damnation that awaits homosexuals after their short life span is ended.

Curiously, (or not) not just a few young men dying of AIDS have repented on their death beds. They are welcomed into the kingdom of heaven by the rejoicing of many angels and the Church.


a
No it won't. We have guns.

Lib at heart Disgraceful -
Offensive is when the preacher at my church said about Support Gay Pride Day at the local college: "There's only one way to support gays. That's with the rope in the trunk of my car."


Offensive is when you would 1) make up such a lie OR 2) like our supposedly intelligent and innocent president sit in the congregation of such a deranged UNChristian pastor.

It is also disgraceful that you would do either.

Civil Unions
My lesbian partner of twenty years and I would be very happy to have a civil union. But we live in Texas and that is not an option.

Homosexuals are a small percentage of the population. I want to sincerely thank all the straight people out there who believe that gays and lesbians are just fellow human beings on this journey called life.

(sounds of crickets dept.)
"du" at 11:59 a.m.

"In response to P. H's behavior, the gay community has reached out compassionately to Ms. Prejean."

Me at 12:05 p.m.

"Could you provide some examples of how the gay community has reached out to Miss Prejean?"

"du" since then:













here I go again.....
Later this month my husband (a man) and I (a woman) will celebrate our 30th wedding anniversary. We raised three wonderful kids who are planning a party in our honor. If homosexuals were allowed to marry, their unions would not threaten my marriage in the least. What people do in their private lives is not my business. If the government allows them to file joint income tax returns, how does this affect me? If God thinks their relationship is a sin, let God be the judge!

My rant continues...what really threatens the American family is the increasing number of people who don't get married before bringing children into the world (as you can imagine Ann Coulter and I do not agree on much, but on this we can agree). As a pediatrician I see children from every kind of home environment you can imagine and there's no doubt in my mind that in general, kids raised by two parents committed to each other and the family they've created turn out the best (obviously there are exceptions.)

Scout42
Then by all means, people of good will, which includes millions of us libertarian conservatives must redouble our efforts to see that gay couples have civil unions. This was well on the road to happening nationwide until the radicalized homosexualist left decided to attack the problem as one of marriage - which for hundreds of millions of people on earth is a holy sacrament and described in detail in the scripture of all the Abrahamic faiths. Once leftists gays demanded to be let in on that or nothing, and once they began their vicious campaign of savaging and speaking hatred against Western religions, battle lines were drawn and the path which had been opening broadly towards universal civil unions became littered with war dead.

You have every right to a civil union, and I hope the homosexualist leftists are destroyed and repudiated by the vast majority of, forgive the expression, rank and file gay and lesbian Americans.

The Left
has no intention of "live and let live" or of letting people have opinions and views that have for centuries fostered and preserved civilized society. They seek to undermine all western institutions. In their quest to dominate all who oppose them, they transfer their irrational feelings of hate, jealousy, insecurity, bigotry, etc. upon those who love the country to which they were born and want to preserve that country.
The Left wishes to destroy the most loving, tolerant and open society. What will they replace it with. History tells us that it will be an intolerant, murderous regime which persecutes those considered deviants. Eventually this will be homosexuals, gypsies, Jews, and Christians. But I guess fear homosexuals don't care as long as the others are persecuted first.

Happy Jake
I like what you wrote and agree.

"Gays say they just want a world where they can live in their peculiar lifestyle relatively unmolested. Yeah, well, so do I."

Ellen
"here I go again.....
Later this month my husband (a man) and I (a woman) will celebrate our 30th wedding anniversary. We raised three wonderful kids who are planning a party in our honor. If homosexuals were allowed to marry, their unions would not threaten my marriage in the least. What people do in their private lives is not my business. If the government allows them to file joint income tax returns, how does this affect me? If God thinks their relationship is a sin, let God be the judge!"

Name me one civilization built upon homosexuality. Do you even know the effects of religion on creating and shaping civilization?

Yes homosexual marriage threatens marriage because it dilutes marriage in general. Apparently you have missed what has happened to marriages in countries that have instituted it, which goes to your other point about out of wedlock birth.

As to the income tax returns, that can be solved legislatively without marriage, and I agree it needs to be done. Institute a flat tax, or even the fair tax, and this issue, along with many others becomes moot.

JMO51 ingantile attach on Mother of 4
Mother of 4 is a realist. She is right. Homosexuals are perverts. They pervent their God created biological design and function. And don’t come back that God created them homosexuals – He did not. He would not create someone who had no control over sinful behavior that will eventually confirm their eternal destiny in hell.

And Mother of 4, if you do not homeschool, please begin and cut the risks of your child “coming out” as a pervert by 99 and 44/100%. Public schools are the breeding ground of homosexuals. Homosexuals recruit children through indoctrination via “diversity” training as well as lewd literature they are required to read and discuss. Curricula are riddled with their propaganda.

Utopian Fallacies
"Hilton told the "Today" show's Matt Lauer: "I personally would have appreciated it had she left her politics and her religion out, because Miss USA represents all Americans. … The answer she gave alienated myself (and) millions of gays and lesbians. … Miss USA is not a person that's politically incorrect. Miss USA … represents … all America and is inclusive and give(s) the right answers. … I want someone who is going to (say) things that will make everyone feel welcome. … For example … she's a Christian, but I don't want her talking about Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, because that's offensive to all of the Jewish Americans, to all of the Muslim Americans, to all of the atheist Americans.""


It is total Utopian pie in the sky thinking that one person can be all things to all people. Ridiculously impossible, and lacks intellect.

Lolo1
A Liberal Blogger that lacks intellect. Who Woulda Thunk It ;)?!?!?!?!

PC is Thought Control
This terrible besmirching of a beautiful and intelligent young American is only the latest hugely pulic example of Political Correctness (PC)in action.

This is a wonderfully blatant and well publicized example of the dirty and vile side of PC. It is disgusting.

Please note: "Miss USA is not a person who is Politically Incorrect". This is the kind of comment that should absolutely terrify any thinking American. The Nazis are winning folks.

PC is Thought Control
LEE

Another One Got Away!
My apologies people, one of my Mini-Me Wanna-Be’s escaped the cage again. Bad little clone, no desert for you.

I stand corrected. I didn’t think about being able to place a space between the 13 and the Bravo and be able to pretend to be me by listing its state as being IN. So let me try again; if the 13Bravo does not show up as one whole name then it definitely isn’t me. If it doesn’t show up as from Indiana then it isn’t me. Who knows it may be able to find away around that. The next time will probably be a hyphen between the 13 and the Bravo, or 31Bravo hoping for dyslexic readers. We will see.

You do realize that by trying to undercut my credibility by claiming to be me, Faux 13Bravo/13 Bravo or Bravos depending on how many of you wanna-be’s there are, (who knows, I may have a whole fan club out there) you only show how afraid you are of me. As I said before; it is an honor to be impersonated by such loyal followers. Keep trying; I’m sure you will fool someone. You may want to be careful though, “a” just might take you up on that offer to wrestle naked; then where would you be, your little anus hurting and being unable to swallow solid food.

JM051 NAMBLA member
Only someone from NAMBLA could have your screwed up views on life.

hey lolo
I don't know about you but I don't think my marriage would be "diluted" at all if homosexuals were allowed to marry.

Of course our society isn't "built upon" homosexuality but homosexuals have certainly contributed to the richness of western civilizaion. Can you imagine the Renaissance without Leonardo da Vinci? Society thrives on contributions from many differnent individuals. Our civilization would be weaker if we were all alike!

Hilton IQ vs Prejean IQ
It seems Miss California has received a first rate education. Same-sex marriage is a concept that is historically illegitimate, evolutionarily incomprehensible, religiously indefensible and linguistically ridiculous.

Arguing for this silly same-sex marriage concoction is like wanting to call a dog a cat or a bird a bat, even a first grader knows, something's wrong with that.

As a Californian, my shame for the dim wittedness of Mr. Hilton is offset by my pride in Miss Prejean’s obvious intellect.

Amazing
The Miss USA Pageant has lost a viewer forever over this incident.

Just as the MSM newspapers are folding by the dozens because they lean too far left, just as left leaning cable news networks are getting trounced by balanced news networks, people are silently talking.

Money and numbers speak volumns, isn't that so Mr. Trump? If you allow idiots like Perez Hilton to Judge (obviously a judge isn't to be biased) then I'll boycott everything with your name on it. I'm starting with your lame show "The Apprentice." You sir are fired!

13Bravo
Are/were you a cannon cocker?

How times have changed
I was watching a documentary on the country music channel about the pageant and some previous questions from the early 60's were presented. They were more honest, likable, and dare I say it, beautiful than the fake or forced "save the children/planet" sentiments current contestants are forced to utter.

Some of the women said they wanted to be housewives, or sing, or that they just wanted to get married and have a happy family. It's ironic that the modern joke of the pageant contestant being fake and syropy is due to political correctness. Miss CA was honest and forthright with her views. She's beautiful!

hail to the chief
Why the heck was a gay creep even allowed to be a judge is a Beauty contest that has nothing but gorgeous females? He should be judging muscle beach, and or gay pride day. We understand deep down he is sorry he has a different anatomy,perhaps he should blame his mother for kicking out boy/girl. Hilton resurrect your real name, and insult a Hispanic, or Black, or Asian, and see what the response is.

CharletonHeston
You are just vile. And how would you like someone accusing you of being a Child Molester. You know there were a lot of preasts and ministers doing some pretty disgusting things with children. Then there were those Republicans and their desire for a taste of some of those yound interns.

I guess that makes every christian and conservative a pedophile? Think about that before you accuse everyone who believes in gay rights as a child molester. And by the way, I am not gay I just have some gay friends and they are really decent caring people.


CharletonHeston
Btw you would not dare say that to my face cause I would kick your A55.

Ellen from...
the Great State of Ohio, you needed to have been here on the Left Coast prior to the Prop 8 gay marriage vote.

California public school teachers spent millions trying to have same-sex marriage legal.

Homosexuals sued so gay scout leaders could go camping with Boy Scouts.

A homosexual politician managed to remove the terms "Mom and Dad" as well as "husband and wife" from California school ciriculum.

You see Ellen, it is all about the less advantaged children. If a Californian is unable to pay for non-governmental schooling, they will be taught about homosexuality in the classroom, with my tax dollar. As was witnessed in New England, there won't be a darn thing a parent can do to stop it.

So please Ellen, you are from a place that understands common sense. I on the otherhand live in a land of make-believe. It has always been and continues to be, All About the Children.


1Harry
I am sick and tired of people trying to impose their own version of gods word on all of us. Keep your religion in your church. If you church does not want to marry gay people I would be the first one to say that is you right. But stop trying to use the government to promote your narrow views. God is not mentioned once in the constitution not once and that is for a reason. And wake up and smell they coffee, gay people are not gay beacause they took a gay pill or attended a gay seminar. It is the way they are wired it is who they are.

They did not choose it, who in their right mind would choose to have to live under the threat of abuse from people who think like you. Much easier to be straigt than gay and most gay people at sometime in their lives where in denial especially if they have parents like you and Motherf4.

Have you ever sat down with a gay person and asked them how they felt or are you afraid you would catch something. But no matter, there have always been biggots and self-righteous people. They are like A holes god must of loved them cause he made so many.

You are not worth debating with and you are gonna lose on this issue anyway.

ADLoggy
I was a cannon cocker about 20 years ago; weekend warrior edition. I worked on the M198 155mm howitzer and the little M102 105mm howitzer. Didn't we already talk about this just a few days ago? If I remember correctly didn't you say you worked on the M110A2 recently (I think it was you I chatted with)?

Are you really ADLoggy? ADLoggy hasn't been cloned has he? My God if the world were over run with FA clones it could mean the end of civilization as we know it. We just love blowing stuff up. Somebody better alert Al Gore and Pres Obama of this growing menace.

Good article
It never ceases to amaze me how the "tolerance" crowd is always the most intolerant. That Perez abomination defeated his own arguement with his Jesus comment. Conservatives realize the ultimate object of this campaign is to destroy the church by making it illegal for a pastor to refuse to marry that which wasn't meant to be. For those who haven't yet read Mark Levin's new book, get it and read it. We must unite, or die trying, before this represenative republic disappears forever!

Scout42
When some of us are not free none of us are not free. We all know that change can be difficult but frankly some of the people posting here are just vile and discusting. Its all about them and their religion and what makes them comfortable. They cannot even for a momment imagine what life could be like for you and your partner. They can understand why you would want to have what they take for granted.

The lack of compassion and empathy is breathtaking and tragic, but history has shown that over times societies right unjustice even in places like Texas.


Perspective!
Let's see now...turning my head to the right I see Ms. Prejean, then turning to the left I see Perez Hilton, in which I immediately turn back to Ms Prejean. Then I thank the Lord I am a normal red-blooded heterosexual male. She is beautiful and Perez is gross. Enough said.

Kevlar

I would invite you to relocate to Ohio, but we're being affected more than most by this recession (Northern Ohio, especially).

Also, like most heavily populated states, our major cities are liberal cesspools, while our suburbs and rural areas continue to be beacons of conservative right-thinking.

Besides, while clearly outnumbered, you are an important soldier for the cause of freedom in the People's Republic of California - a true "resistance fighter".

Cheers.


kim
It will never become illegal for a pastor to refuse to marry anyone. NEVER, this is a big lie. This is about Gay people having equal rights not about anyone banging down the door to your church.

Why would any Gay Couple want to be married in a church that won't accept them. They will join churches that do and their family members just might come with them and you would find your church to be a very lonely bitter little place, but NEVER will anyone force you to accept gays in your church.

PS you will have to accept them for employment in your company if they are qualified.

JMO51
You may be right that God is not mentioned in the U.S.Constitution. However He is mentioned twice in the Declaration, without which, along with Thomas Paine's "Common Sense", there would have been no union. This nation was founded on the belief, by all colonies, that we have a Creator. Like it or not, it is a fact. I will grant you Statists have done much in the past 50 years to hide this truth,(if your under 50 your just one of millions of lemmings), and portray conservative thinkers as the devil. Study and wake up to what is going on before assisting in the destruction of liberty. May God bless you and yours.

It always amuses me
that the xians believe that the "creator" in the various works of the Founders necessarily means _their_ sky pixie.

Of course, they're far too stupid to understand that this choice of word is deliberately intended to be ambiguous.

(Of course, being from a xian heritage they pretty much all assumed that the "creator" was the xian god. But their genius was that they deliberately chose to use a neutral word.

Look what the nation they created has come to.)

JMO51

Since you are so obsessed with the Christians, consider this:

97% of the countries of the world legally view marriage as requiring 2 different genders.

The 3% of nations that perform the recent(and unusual) gay marriage phenomenon have populations that are over 70% Christian.
To blame Christianity for restricting the growth of the same-sex marriage practice is not only improper but is obviously (unless you're stupid)the complete opposite of reality. After all if Christianity were the impediment to anatomically similar humans getting married, it would be celebrated somewhere in the non-Christian world.

At the risk of enraging everyone, I think it's time JM051 that you thank Jesus for enlightening his followers. Afterall, without the forgiveness and acceptance that is built into Christian cultures, there is No silly discussion of gay marriage.

kimokymo
You are not the devil. There are a lot of nice people with Conservative views. Then there are the biggots and the bible thumpers. Not attractive.

13Bravo
I asked about you recently but had to leave the thread, so I don't think we ever talked about this. I was an 11B in my enlisted days and am a 90A now an O4 on active duty. Have many friends from the FA and Ft. Sill. Thanks for your service back then.

So which of you are meeting "a" at the park? This s confusing when you have a clone. :-)

MellorSJ2
Mellor #183 is for you too.

Kevlar
Not all christians just some christians and muslims and Jews. What they all have in common is no respect for the seperation between church and state. My guess is that in 50 years from now gay marrage will be legal in half the countries in the world. My guess is that fundamentalist nations in the middle east and certain counties in the deep south will be the last to accept equal rights for gays.

Primus54

I always thought that heaven would be just like Cedar Point.

Why wont cival unions work?
I have no problem with gay and lesbian couples making a commitment to each other with a cival union. I agree with Tim. You can call it whatever you like,except for marriage. Let's not over complicate the matter.

The screaming,ranting and raving that Hilton is displaying is disgusting. He acts like a 2 year old.

I would like to see a little tolerance and understanding from the gay and lesbian community.

JM051
"seperation between church and state"

Where is this written, I sure hear it a lot?