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Friday, April 17, 2009
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
Homeland Security Slanders
by David Limbaugh
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There has been a lot of outrage over the Department of Homeland Security's leaked summary report on "Rightwing Extremism," but by far its most odious aspects are its implications that military veterans are fertile targets for radical, violent groups and that right-wingers are inclined toward racism.

Information from this April 7 report was provided to law enforcement officials to help them prevent terrorist attacks against the United States.

The "Key Findings" are way light on objective facts but heavy on subjective opinion -- opinion clearly colored by the worldviews and biases of those issuing the report. Right off the bat, DHS admits it "has no specific information that domestic rightwing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence, but rightwing extremists may be gaining new recruits by playing on their fears about several emergent issues. The economic downturn and election of the first African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment."

There's more. "The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."

At the risk of incurring the scrutiny of the DHS, I must say that these gratuitous sentences are outrageous. In the first place, I don't know anyone playing on "fears about several emergent issues" more than the current administration, of which the DHS is a part. Even when President Barack Obama is delivering a speech on the economy purportedly geared toward reassuring Americans that things will be all right, he has to stoke their fears and anxieties about other financial shoes he expects to drop in the near future. He and his aides are the ones who have signaled they have something to gain from keeping the public in crisis mode, that "something" being the opportunity to make foundational changes to our economy and the relationship between government and the private sector.

I know I'm naive, but the only violent right-wing extremist groups I've ever seen are those played in Hollywood by uninformed, whacked-out leftist actors. I've always wondered where all these Hitler throwbacks live. I've also never seen any of their recruiting signs posted at the local supermarket trolling for right-wing nut jobs prone to "Clockwork Orange" ultra-violence.

Can you imagine a pamphlet stuck under your windshield wiper as you return to your car after shopping because your subservient stay-at-home wife didn't do her biblical duty of attending to the grocery purchases that week? "Attention Fellow Fascists: Seeking Scripture-Reading, Bitterclinging Recruits to commiserate together the economic downturn and then act on it."

How convenient for this report to admit it has no specific information about plans for acts of violence by right-wing groups but then to go on to imply it's only a matter of time. It's kind of like those stubborn media reports decrying black-voter suppression in Florida in 2000, though the Commission on Civil Rights could never find any actual evidence to support its charge.

How dare these people issue such inflammatory garbage? How dare they say that the election of the first African-American president is a "unique driver" for radicalization and recruitment? I know it serves the political cause of the left to continue to divide the races, but this is a government-issued document we're talking about here that was designed to guide the approach to homeland security and law enforcement.

I don't care that this was only intended to be an internal report. This has to be affecting the thinking, direction and actions of those responsible for keeping this nation safe from true terrorist threats. This report seeks to poison the minds of agents to make them believe that returning veterans warrant greater scrutiny and that conservatives are prone to bigotry.

How dare they slander military veterans by suggesting they are more prone than the average citizen to criminal, seditious and violent activity? As The Washington Times' editors note: "A 2000 Justice Department study found that 'veterans were incarcerated at less than half the rate of adult male nonveterans.' Veterans are more likely to be peace officers."

Adding insult to injury, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano was all over TV depicting conservatives as Timothy McVeigh clones. Then she issued a disingenuous statement, that "we do not -- nor will we ever -- monitor ideology or political beliefs."

Well, Secretary Napolitano, you sure could have fooled me -- and anyone else who can read for himself. You (or someone in your charge) are not only monitoring the ideologies and political beliefs of conservatives but also poisoning law enforcement agents with a bias against them and suggesting their beliefs lead to violence against the government. Shame on you.

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Hal Donahue
Was reportedly seen having homosexual relations with Ariana Huffington, who is really a man in disguise. Pictures will be posted at Huffy Puffy Not to Scruffy.com, to see pictures of Hal Donahue at the "Tea Bagging Celebration" at Barney Franks Apt last weekend, just click the "Homo" link at HuffyPuffyFluffy.com

Anyone that can read more than one column at HuffyPuffytooFluffy.com must have an extremely strong stomach, that site was started by Transexual Ariana Huffington, who married a Homo to get rich on his money, then divorced him and had a sex change operation. Very sordid, but I guess that is what Hal loves about that site......Cheers,


Ouck Fbama

Lilly Not of the Field
I think that the best solution for you would be a couple rounds of waterboarding, maybe followed by a couple of hours on a "RACK".



Ouck Fbama

Hal Donahue
Why don't you go away you freak. We hate you here at Town Hall, your are an unpatriotic fool. You reasoning skills have been severely compromised by your insane leftist rantings. Why don't you move to Cuba or Venezuela, they like fools like you. You are what I call a useless idiot. Many here will agree with this astute observation. You need to practice the technique of "EOW". The outcome would be glorious. How is your close buddy Barney Frankless doing, I heard you were teabagging at his house this last weekend. I am glad you did not post any images from that gathering. Cheers Freak


Ouck Fbama

lilly
People are allowed free speech. As far as sites go can you name a better one? I've been on other sites and most of comments are horrible, inane, and bitter. Pick any website that allows comments easy posting and you will see this.

No one is saying this site is perfect, but please name another site that is better.

I don't see the Nazi recruitment centers, here. I see people venting frustrations. Sometimes in a good way (through debate) and sometimes in a bad way (through babble). But again there is a huge difference being someone posting inappropriate comments (who could be anyone most of these hate crime things tend to be someone pretending to be someone else).

Also, read the document that came out about Right wing groups. It was unneccessary at best and at least purely political. This is the problem with government and politicians. Think about it. If there is actually a right wing extremist group that you want to monitor what is the worst way to monitor that group? Would it be to announce that you are watching them. Again, either DHS is criminally incompetent or purely political.

Securing our borders
Whatever happened to good old-fashioned MINEFIELDS? Dug with
trenches and warning signs on either side of the mines, this would alleviate the
expense of putting hundreds of patrol troops at risk. It would also be a
whole lot QUICKER than trying build
walls that aliens can get over anyway.

The Right Wing DOES Advocate Violence.
As long as townhall tolerates posts advocating murder, the right-wing's tendency toward extremism and its advocacy of violence are realities. Why deny what appears in print every day on this board?

Or do you find some other meaning in "All Democrats should be taken from their homes in the middle of the night, incarcerated behind barbed wire, interrogated at bayonet point, and either shot or put to forced labor in munitions plants"? Or how about "All liberals should be gassed and cremated"? Or "I want all the Nazi Commiequeers dead, and in a horrific way"? Or "I am locked & loaded and ready for them [agents of Obama's goverenment] when they come...my neighbors and I are buying more guns and stockpiling ammunition"?

These are verbatim quotations of posts to townhall over the past two years.

Apologies to All
I have to admit that many of us in Arizona were thrilled to lose Janet Napalitano as our Governor as she has decimated our economy with her free wheeled spending. She certainly did nothing to make Arizona more secure from the onslaught of illegal immigrants. Unfortunately it was at the expense of seeing her move on to the federal level into a position which she is clearly not qualified for. We aplogize that the rest of America gets to experience the tyranny that she had vested upon us for the last several years.

So, the DHS was not created
To keep watch for foreign terrorists the DHS and State Department has brought in.

None of us has brought them here, the State Department has.

DHS was actually created to watch traveling Americans and make sure all think alike in the politics of Janet and Obama.

That will be a cold day in hell

Chill
ExRCSD Deputy,

Of course there are left-wing extremists--and the DHS has already issued a similar report about them, replete with warnings of the risk of cyber attacks, bombings, and arson by "leftwing extremists," including "animal rights extremists" and "environmental extremists." See http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Leftwing_Extremist_Thr eat.pdf

Tim,

I have read the report. It plainly does not say, as you seem to suppose, that everyone who has certain political views is, by virtue of that alone, a rightwing extremist. Nor does it say that all rightwing extremists are violent terrorists. It merely warns that rightwing extremism may drive a few people to engage in violence or terrorism. Duh! There's no disputing that possibility, since it has already occasionally happened.


Karen ;)
The Left/socialist spent many years talking down / destroying the military in the 60’s, 40+ years later most Americans now honor and respect the men & woman who serve this country, this DHS report is just the start of another process to destroy the military and convince US they can’t be trusted, when in truth our current Gov is untrustworthy

Y99 US Army (RET)

Well.....hear ye, hear ye.........

December 23, 1776....Thomas Paine....

"Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph."

God is Good...........

TO Y99
I can tell you can see further down the road than most people...and can see beyond the image that is presented. Thank you for yr post. It makes good sense, and I didn't see that before, but I agree. Would that more of the populace had such discernment...especially when elections come around.

And it begins
The DHS report is nothing but a preemptive hit piece, the left has always feared the military, and this is just more proof.

This insulting report is no different than a large corporate law firm attacking the character, of a justified whistle blower, in order to paint them as the disgruntled crazy employee.


SHE'S A BEAUT, AIN'T SHE?
I take such comfort in having this woman in charge of Homeland Security. Nothing and nobody is going to get by her! She reminds me of a high school principal I knew once. They better put Texans on their list too, if they haven't already. You never know what those Texans are going to be up to next! Seriously, this may be the most asinine political performance yet, and that's saying something, isn't it?

Doug Indeap
Keep denying the obvious, douggie, and maybe when they "come for you" (metaphorically speaking) there will be no one left to defend you.

The report also mentions that if you have a single issue that torques you, have parents that are unemployed, or are yourself unemployed, cannot get credit or own guns, if you dissent with the president, you are a risk.

You clearly did not read the report! Which, by the way, provides no citations of its "facts" er, opinions.

So, clearly, it is the DHS that is hyperventilating!

Basically, the report says dissent is no longer patriotic and that we do not "have a right to disagree with any administration," contrary to what the Dems and Mrs. Clinton were saying a mere four months ago!

Worse than you think...
Here in Maryland, the MD National Guard issued a warning notice to be on the lookout for (but yet avoid attending) "extremist behaviour" at...

wait for it

wait for it

Tea Party Protests

So, this piece of garbage document that would have flunked 10th grade English composition class is ALREADY influencing behavior of government representatives.

America, Fascism is already here.

Should I be worried?
I downloaded Naplitano's FOUO document, and it says what it says in insulting terms, and if this thing wasn't done under her watch, then why in hell was she Apologizing? Further more, if Bush was all the things the left and Liberals say he was, then why was he after just so-called right wingers? Funny isn't it, that this document made it to the attention of the media the same day of the TEA Party?

One more thing, today the whole country got it's shorts all bunched in knots because of that traiter Obama authorized realese of the CIA memos supposedly authorizing torture. Where has this clown been? Why was it necessary to do so? Was Bush the only one to authorize such things? I like the part about sleep deprivation. I would ask each and every one of you with Military experience if you at anytime were ever denied sleep for 24 hours or more in the line of duty. If you say never, then I classify you as a liar. So, if sleep deprivation is considered torture by Obama and the the ACLU, then I suppose we Military guys have a case against all those who ever put us in harms way when we were trying to do our duties. Right Obama?

Oh, by the way, I gues I could be considered a right wing extremist, since I have over 32 years Military experience. I'm 73 and retired, and not sure just how much of a threat I might be, but should I be worried?

Scary stuff
If you disagree then you must be a terrorist. The witch hunt is beginning. Hopefully the people will see through it and vote these people out before they take away all of our freedoms for the good of the state.

Liberal Paranoia
It's amazing how quickly the Liberals in power have become paranoid about Right Wing Extremists and how dangerous we are. They have been in power less than 100 days and they are continuosly looking over their shoulder at who just might be plotting against them. If they fear that our returning military members may become disenfranchised enough to take serious action, maybe it's because of the way they are trating them. I don't believe any harm will come to these cowards from extermists. It will not be Right Wing Extremists that bring thsi government under control. It will be Joe America.

Veterans deserve our thanks
This column is so tue: how dare they say that veterans, the ones who put their lives on the line for us, are more likely to be dangerous extremists?

Does wanting the country to be run the way it's supposed to be run make you radical? Then I guess I am radical. We have the framework laid out for us in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Let's follow them for once and see how much better off we are.

Liberals Against Individual Rights

The more powerful Liberalism becomes, the less it will be tolerant.

The main goal of Liberalism is the destruction of Individual Rights. Individual Rights are the 'First Line of Defense' against a Totalitarian Government.

Barack Obama's Clarion Call, 'Sacrifice for the Common Good', is proof positive that Liberalism demands 'Collective Rights' rather than 'Individual Rights'.

Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and for all." -- Soviet Premier Nikita S. Khrushchev, addressing the 20th Congress of the Soviet Communist Party, 2-25-56

"The unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual; and that the higher interests involved in the life of the whole must here set the limits and lay down the duties of the interests of the individual." -- Adolph Hitler

"We need to stop worrying about the rights of the individual and start worrying about what is best for society." -- Hillary Clinton

"...we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow men." -- Adolf Hitler, 10-7-33

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." -- Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, June 28, 2004.

"To be a socialist is to submit the I to the thou; socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole." -- Joseph Goebbels, Minister of Propaganda, National Socialist German Workers' ("Nazi") Party

"...true patriotism also means a willingness to sacrifice for our common good..."
Barack Obama July 6, 2008

Barack Obama believes the 'Destruction of Individual Rights', will pave the way for a Liberal 'Totalitarian Government'.

Doug Indeap:
So there are no left wing violent extremists, in your view.

I am an Extremist
I'm a Christian
I'm against Abortion
I'm for Religious Freedom
I'm against the Gay/ Lesbian movement.
I believe in the Sanctity of Marriage as being between one man and one women.
I believe in fiscal responsibility
I believe in fair taxation.
I believe in giving everyone a hands up not hand outs
I believe that the people should rule the government not the other way around.
I'm against embryonic cell research
I'm against Big Government
I'm against Pork Barrel Spending.
I'm against the welfare state and socialism
I'm for personal gun ownership.
I believe in the United Sates of America not the United Socialists of America.
Therefore if I'm a rightwing extremist I want my membership card.

A.B. Normal:
So to you I am not a real veteran, even though I spent 12.5 years in the Navy (1976-1989), and came out with a blown left knee, 60+% hearing loss in my left year, and hypertension.

homeland theories
WELL,

""Doug Indeap
Location: CA
Reply # 163
Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 12:44 AM EST""

then you could explain this report's relevence as far as a terrorist attack pending. theories and opinions are just that. we must act on facts.
fact: terrorists killed 3000 on 9-11. no veterans in the group.
mcveigh was in the military. i do not consider anyone not having been awarded a campaign medal as a real veteran.
the government recruiters will take anyone to fill quotas. interested?

washington was a vet.
eisenhower was a vet.
kennedy was a vet.

just what theory would prompt a stupid report as this. the higher up muck-e-mucks in the military are politicians and will suck up fast to any administration that controls promotions. i.e. commander in chief, so their input is explained easily.


i am sure you never served in the military.


ab

The World Has Spoken: Barack Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgClljYwu1g&feature=related

What is there about this guy these people like?

They know something that 1/2 of the people in America do not know what this little tyrant is all about

come together
so much for bringing the country together as promised by candidate obama.

de ja voodoo
when i returned from nam on jan 9, 1970 i was subjected to (as other veterans) to name calling i.e. baby killers.
be it known that being a young single male, i MADE babies in nam. quite the opposite.

every criminal on a tv show was a nam vet. gangs of nam vets on the tv were robbing, killing, stealing.
i quit watching this crap. i do not watch t.v. to this day.

a nut job in san diego drove his truck thru a wall into a mcdonalds and killed several people with a rifle. the news said he was a vietnam vet. he wasn't, but the retraction was small and a month too late. This blaming crime on vietnam vets when the culprit wasn't happened constantly. the movies showed vets as deranged killers. and also have movies for todays vets that are in the same vein.
now the vets from iraq and afghanistan will have to face the same type of talking sphincters on the newscasts.

i have a gun. i do not support abortion. i do not like illegal aliens. i do not believe in same sex marriage. i do not like obama. i do not like pelosi, boxer, feinsten-blum. i do not like big government.
can i choose my boxcar?

adios,
ab
lancaster, prop8ifornia
push 1 for english you gringo dummies
got little red book?

DHS
AS creation of the Bush Admin.

This order would not have been possible without GW Bush creating the powers to incorporate Government, Military and Police under one little globalist like Janet Napilotano.

If they want world government, why don't they put it up front and allow the participation of all of us to voice our opinion?

That would be honest and these people are dishonest is the one and only reason that exists.

Mr Limbaugh
I expect you read this thread.

Look into this for a thought.

American Ground Forces being shipped out all over the globe leaving a vacuum here in this country for asking Canada, Mexico and ? (God only knows) to send Armed Forces to help control Americans.

There has to be a reason for this agreement and others like it.

quote:

North American Army created without OK by Congress
U.S., Canada military ink deal to fight domestic emergencies.

The agreement, defined as a Civil Assistance Plan, was not submitted to Congress for approval, nor did Congress pass any law or treaty specifically authorizing this military agreement to combine the operations of the armed forces of the United States and Canada in the event of a wide range of domestic civil disturbances ranging from violent storms, to health epidemics, to civil riots or terrorist attacks.

In Canada, the agreement paving the way for the militaries of the U.S. and Canada to cross each other's borders to fight domestic emergencies was not announced either by the Harper government or the Canadian military, prompting sharp protest.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId= 57228

Caught on tape
Just 24 seconds long

Watch here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHpJGUyZLRM&feature=related

Ranger29

That may be so. Bush was as much an incompetent as Obama is. But it was the Obama administration that leaked this foolishness to the MSM.

F- for you Wobbie

Blame Bush
In supporting its assertions about veterans, the DHS assessment cited an F.B.I. report written under the Bush administration which said “some returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have joined extremist groups.”

In that July 2008 report, titled “White Supremacist Recruitment of Military Personnel since 9/11,” the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division found said that “military experience is found throughout the white supremacist extremist movement as the result of recruitment campaigns by extremist groups and self-recruitment by veterans sympathetic to white supremacist causes.”

It added that a “review of FBI white supremacist extremist cases from October 2001 to May 2008 identified 203 individuals with confirmed or claimed military service active in the extremist movement at some time during the reporting period.”

Bush Report?
GW may have asked for the report. However, I can guarantee this drivel would have bever been published under a DHLS Director under Bush. Bush would have cleaned house if anyone in his administration came up with such nonsense.

The liberal press and Democrats are trying to hide by sayig Bush asked for this report.

Why have we not heard anything specific about militias in the last few years? Because the FBI infiltrated those idiots, real right wingers, and closed them down.

The FBI knows who the real right and left wing nutjobs are and you can beleive the FBI know what they are doing.

This piece of garbage was clearly political.

Nan_WI: This tells us all we need to

know...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHz5tevLAw&eurl


And Obozo's last little trip to Iraq... the troops were CHOSEN and give the camera phone


Homeland Security and Intimidation
Certain fruitcake people in Homeland Security need to be exposed by name and prosecuted for attempting to intimidate law-abiding citizens so that they will be afraid to exercise their constitutional rights to express their political opinions.

George Washington, James Madison, Patrick Henry and the rest of the Founding Fathers have been defined in essence in this asinine Homeland Security report as "domestic terrorists."

Where do they find these nitwit Snivel Servants?

Do they really think that intelligent and well-informed citizens are going to cave in to this kind of puerile name-calling?

Napolitano has not spoken out against this inflammatory report and should be fired on the spot along with the hack writers that put together this drivel.

All they have done for the Department of Homeland Security is for the best citizens to demand that this useless department be dismantled as Republican Congressman Ron Paul has suggested.

You would think these people would learn after the Missouri governor had to back down and apologize for the MIAC report that said that highway troopers needed to profile people with Ron Paul bumper stickers or who opposed abortion because they were apt to be domestic terrorists.

They included Huckabee and Baldwin...libertarians and constitutionalists...in this right-wing extremists tag.

We need an open Congressional investigation of this outrage so that those people responsible can be grilled on TV as to what they were thinking when they perpetrated this lunacy.


Happy Hal, The Atheists Pal

Hal happily reveals, "Schmidt painted a dire portrait of the state of the Republican Party, arguing that the GOP has largely been co-opted by its religious elements."

"Religious elements, Hal? You mean those dispicably evil folks who go to church on Sunday (in your mind packing heat, no doubt), who practice charity, do community service and try to live their lives in as moral and righteous manner as they can? Those folks, Hal? The people who work hard, pay their bills, support and nurture their children and through their taxes are forced to support the scum of America?

Are those the "religious elements" to whom you're referring, Hal, you two-bit bigot?

They're arrogant and small..............
How dare they say such a thing about our Veterans. (Or our Military.)

Napolitano needs to apologize and then quit.
Michael Savage is already suing her.

Right-wing Extremists
If what the Obama White House considers 'right-wing extremism'
there are an immense number of them in the country. I consider to be one of them and proud of it. I remember when the 'left-wing extremists' were out there putting our country down and trampling on 'OUR' flag, we right-wingers didn't pass any laws to stop them. There stupidity was enough to stop them. However, they can't take the heat. As one of their leaders said once, 'if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.' They complain that we can't stand that they are in charge. As their messianic leader said, 'I am the president', get over it. How thin-skinned they are. Well, if I'm such a
terrible right-winger put me in jail. I for one pray for Obama to fail in his endeavor to cripple our beloved nation. God Bless America!
Not 'God Damn America."

Nan
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 4:05 PM EST
Supporting Evidence Please
Hal Donahue Location: PA Reply # 20
Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 7:18 AM EST... Even if you could, it would be proposterous to assume the statistics were accurate. Our military members don't have the liberty to express dissent against their CIC..."

Sure they do look at the faces of the troops used s background for the failed Bush over the last year. And what do you think the silly oath keepers or whoever they are think they are doing?

"... As a veteran I can say that in the circles I run in, the statement you make is inaccurate."

I was with 12 WWII and Korean Vets last nite all but one strongly supported Obama only half had voted for him. Anecdotal but they support is higher than election day



While DHS goes looking @ bumper-stickers
...searching for their next blonde-haired, blue-eyed example of 'Domestic Terrorism'...

the enemy is already INSIDE the gate.

http://www.e3gazette.com/2009/04/domestic-extremists-that-d hs-isnt.html

- MuscleDaddy

Supporting Evidence Please
Hal Donahue Location: PA Reply # 20
Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 7:18 AM EST

Could you provide documentation of your statement about "the troops" supporting the President's decisions. Even if you could, it would be proposterous to assume the statistics were accurate. Our military members don't have the liberty to express dissent against their CIC. As a veteran I can say that in the circles I run in, the statement you make is inaccurate.

Hal Donahue

John McCain's campaign manager? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Yeah, Hal, he really knows a lot about the Republican Party! He knew so much about Republicans he couldn't get a big chunk of his own base to vote for McCain. He ran a totally incompetent campaign for an incompetent candidate.

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

Wake up America

RE: HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009

So now you'll have to have both a state and federal license to own a firearm to exercise an inalienable RIGHT to own a firearm.

This is a blatent disregard for the tenth amendment and just another method of having the government interfere in your life.

folks from Huffington
Speaking publicly for one of the first times since the end of the presidential campaign, John McCain's campaign manager Steve Schmidt painted a dire portrait of the state of the Republican Party, arguing that the GOP has largely been co-opted by its religious elements.
http://nl.huffingtonpost.com/link.php?M=216693&N=98702&C=c2 44d59110b13eadca72a0921ee8e008&L=4708

OhNo

RE: HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009

Another step in Obama's full-scale attack on law-abiding gun owners, while shills like Hal Donahue cry, "Pay no attention to that statist behind the curtain!!"

ALERT! Obama STEALTH Gun Control HR45
Please visit my blog to learn about the coming attack on your 2nd Amendment Rights immediately! This is the worst attack yet by the Democrats working with Obama under cover to confiscate your firearms. Holder crafted the bill and it was submitted yesterday by a Democrat Gun Control enthusiast!

http://spinnada.blogspot.com/

We all need to stand together to defeat this Federal legislation!

QParker
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 3:05 PM EST
Harold

I would not insult Max Cleland because he is a hell of a nice guy that sacrificed tremendously for our country. I would not insult Jim Webb because he is a four star hero who loves his country and a hell of tough guy."

Thank you for that.

"...The problem at the Dublin Hospital is staff, staff, staff. "

If you will e-mail me details a bit more than general comments I really may be able to help

Happy Hal The Veteran's Pal (sometimes)

"Bob you seem to miss it isn't about me I don't need more money"

LOL!! Yeah Hal, as if you could make "more money" doing radio or TV.

Lolo
Thanks for the insider info. It didn't sound like it was written by serious law inforcement. At first I honestly thought it was merely a piece of yellow journalism, a hoax, to rile up the right, and then say "HAHA Gotcha, fool".

When Napalitano came out and confirmed what was proofed and released by DHS, I had to just shake my head. Yet another in a long line of shameful, amatuer attempts at seriousness and professionalism by the current administration. It's like watching a 3 year old tying his shoes for the first time, just painful.

Harold

I would not insult Max Cleland because he is a hell of a nice guy that sacrificed tremendously for our country. I would not insult Jim Webb because he is a four star hero who loves his country and a hell of tough guy.

The problem at the Dublin Hospital is staff, staff, staff.

Bob_C
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 2:03 PM EST
joycey

"Getting ready to meet about our first cable TV show. Our little radio show is doing so well they would like a TV one"

Yeah, Hal's radio show is syndicated on ONE station and his local access cable show is slotted in between Muslim Prayer Time and Gary The Gardener. Combined he reaches an estimated 25-30 housewives, gays and liberal crackpots."

LOL It is community service for originally local veterans but picked up a lot on line all over the place we even get e-mails from Iraq. No agenda but helping veterans and their families. Community service. The test TV show will be for a state veterans home again community service. Bob you seem to miss it isn't about me I don't need more money

The CNSF

Imagine that: hundreds of thousands of armed Civilian National Security Forces thugs running around trashing the fourth Amendment rights against unlawful search and seisure.

All you law-abiding gun owners with registered firearms are just ripe for the picking.

Once Jose Serrano's bill (H.J. Res. 5) is passed (it is in committee now) repealing the POTUS term limit, and ACORN registers enough dead, dying, insane, cons and illegals, we'll have Obama for life.

Oh Joy. Oh sweet Jesus and baby Jesus!

QParker
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 2:03 PM EST
Congressman Donahue

Harold, I am disappointed that you have to resort to name calling when addressing me...."

LOL look at how you address me if "comgressman" isn't name calling/,...

"...In regards to Max Cleland, I don’t know if he was my friend but he sure as hell acted like he was my friend when he accepted checks from my hand to his for his Georgia State Senate and Secretary of State Campaigns."

Then I apologize to you for the name calling. I read that you were attacking Max and Webb. I am more than qualified to use the term chicken hawk. Do you still see him? I do owe him a call.

"...While we are on the topic of disabled veterans and Georgia here is something the Democratic Party can do. With the billions of dollars Obama has been throwing around perhaps he could peel off a few million from ACORN and apply it to the Veteran’s hospital in Dublin Georgia. Middle Georgia has thousands of underserved veterans from World War II and Korea and the Dublin hospital is an absolute hell hole. Conversations with veteran’s families are filled with tales of verbal abuse, beatings, veterans left in their own excrement for days and a near 100% “protected group” staff that is beyond any type of supervision..."

E-mail details to me and I will get them to the VA to at least check. Tuesday I was out in central PA they have great VA facilities but have a most difficult time getting to them. Is this the same problem in GA coupled with a poor hospital?

"... Are Democrats going to do anything about that, or is their answer to Veterans issues to just to shout Bush Sucks at the top of their lungs."

The VA is nearly up to speed Duckworth is delayed but OK now and they are getting their "stuff" together. I think they will accomplish a lot. The budget submission is for two years which is a big step

Reba

"So tell me, who are the real extremist in this country? It depends where you are standing, doesn't it or does it depend on which way the wind is blowing?'

Angela Davis, Bill Ayers and many other crackpot left wingers are now considered mainstream America by a huge portion of the American populace. Conservatives are too damned cowardly to stand up for what they believe and tacitly allow such crackpots to inject themselves and their sick ideas back into society to fester and spread like puss.

That is what the Democrat Party has become with heros like Davis and Ayers as their spokespeople.

Hal
If what you say about Rush.At least he admitted a mistake and donated money.Exactly how much money did Murtha fork over for debasing innocent marines.Obama is practicing Facism.not socialism or capitalism.Facism means private ownership of companies,but run by the govt.

Well done Mr. Limbaugh...

Must admit to being slightly more upset than you.
I want her to be relieved of her duties!
Please help me in that endeavor.
Her comments were so inflamatory I can not believe she is that inept!
Yes this all seems surreal. Clockwork Orange describes it well!

Since 9-11 we have ben lead to believe that all Law Enforcement entities were in fact working together FINALLY.
After this: How many Law Enforcement Officers and Agencies will ever respect her?
Did it occur to her that many of the people who would be reading this were Veterans?

The lady needs to go count beans in a back room somewhere.

Like you I have never met anyone that I thought of as a member of a militant org.


LIONHEART - @
The DHS report was refering to extremist, not terrorist. I also never called the Black Panthers terrorist. They was a violent group, however. I also grew up in the 1960's and recall the incident with Angela Davis, who was a Black Panther member and involved with a group who shot a Judge during an escape. The gun used was registered to Angela Davis. She received jail time. She was also an admitted Communist, spent time in Russia and Cuba during the 1960's. Bless her good 'ole Communist heart, she is now a Professor at University of Southern Calfironia at Santa Cruz
teaching those liberal children in the department of Human Consiousness.

So tell me, who are the real extremist in this country? It depends where you are standing, doesn't it or does it depend on which way the wind is blowing?


Melissa

"I thought that the purpose of the Homeland Security department was to work to keep us safe. Does that sound right to anyone?"

It was under the Bush administration. Under the Obama administration, it is to be morphed into the Amerikan version of the KGB, soon to be augmented by Obama's equivalent to Nazi Germay's Brownshirts, The CNSF (Civilian National Security Force) which Obama wants to fund and equip as well as our armed forces.

Isn't THAT swell, boys and girls.

Obama doesn't think that Islamic Terrorists are a threat as great as ordinary American conservatives and military veterans. Hal Donahue agrees and has echoed Premier Obama's sentiments here on TH today.

Let's all give it up for Happy Hal the statists' Pal

joycey

"Getting ready to meet about our first cable TV show. Our little radio show is doing so well they would like a TV one"

Yeah, Hal's radio show is syndicated on ONE station and his local access cable show is slotted in between Muslim Prayer Time and Gary The Gardener. Combined he reaches an estimated 25-30 housewives, gays and liberal crackpots.

Congressman Donahue

Harold, I am disappointed that you have to resort to name calling when addressing me. I have never called you names and I have defended you to those that have called you a phony and a Walter Mitty Loon. If you want to come here and comport yourself in the manner of a union thug I guess that speaks to value and substance of your arguments.

In regards to Max Cleland, I don’t know if he was my friend but he sure as hell acted like he was my friend when he accepted checks from my hand to his for his Georgia State Senate and Secretary of State Campaigns.

While we are on the topic of disabled veterans and Georgia here is something the Democratic Party can do. With the billions of dollars Obama has been throwing around perhaps he could peel off a few million from ACORN and apply it to the Veteran’s hospital in Dublin Georgia. Middle Georgia has thousands of underserved veterans from World War II and Korea and the Dublin hospital is an absolute hell hole. Conversations with veteran’s families are filled with tales of verbal abuse, beatings, veterans left in their own excrement for days and a near 100% “protected group” staff that is beyond any type of supervision. Are Democrats going to do anything about that, or is their answer to Veterans issues to just to shout Bush Sucks at the top of their lungs.



Left is racist
How dare they say that the election of the first African-American president is a "unique driver" for radicalization and recruitment? from article.

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Just proves who the REAL racists and bigots are.

Only liberals put people into "groups".

Did team Obama forget who's in charge of the GOP?? Oh my -gasp- it's a BLACK man.

The GOP has all sort of colors we just don't march them out and show them off like the racist left does.

Indeap...
The problem with the DHS report can be best summed up by comparing it to the 2001 "Left Wing Extremist" version (prepared for the Bush administration). In this report, warnings were given based on *actual violent events and actions* performed by specific, named left-wing terrorist individuals and groups. The report suggested that violent actions tended to go in cycles based on precipitating events - left-wing, then right-wing, then left-wing, etc.

The report also went on to say that the challenge to law enforcement was to always defend the right of any individual or group to the freedom of speech, while at the same time, being wary of the possibility of violence - and that the right of free speech went so far as to include a group or individual fomenting support to form another nation inside the U.S. boundaries!!

Never in this report were perfectly law-abiding groups or individuals (people who are anti-abortion, people who favor local government over federal government, people who believe in the right to bear arms) targeted as either terrorists or more importantly, *likely to become terrorists.*

The people targeted *had already proven to be violent terrorists.*

I think this distinction is the reason why people have been so disturbed by this report, the way it was worded, and the deeper meaning that may very well lurk beneath it (and the half-hearted denials of it).

Lionheart
You sit and wax poetic about Oakland clear from Texas. How nice.

Oakland is one giant crime ridden city whose population is overwhelmingly black. do the numbers crunch idiot and you will see why it is primarily blacks that die. Could it be because the city is primarily black?!!!!!

Come here and visit I will show you what black hatred and racism really is.

Edna
"Laughable
After reading the report the first time I just had to laugh. I thought it was a joke. No one from homeland security could possibly have written such a document."



You are correct Edna. I will give you some insider info. This report was written by contractors, or farmed out. Also known as 'fusion' groups. Heads rolled over it.

However, it still doesn't negate the fact that Napolitano released it. It should have been scrapped and rewritten. This is pure rookie on her part. Do you feel safe with left wing idealist rookies in charge?

Enemy Of The State
That's pretty rich when you consider that all I really wanted was to be left alone.

Laughable
After reading the report the first time I just had to laugh. I thought it was a joke. No one from homeland security could possibly have written such a document.

There are NO statitics, NO percentages, NO real life numbers of incidents, NO arrest stats, NO recruitment numbers, nadda. There are however, a couple of vague quotes from a "A prominent Civil rights group"? Which group? La Raza? Who? They report "large numbers", well, what number? That was not ballanced with the number of arrests for illegals commiting acts of violence on citizens.

As to the Pennsylvania man---have they even tied him to a right wing group? Have they found skinhead pamphlets in his home? Or are they merely basing their assessmnt of his political leanings on the quotes given in the paper by his "friends"?

This was a pathetic document "leaked" to the public a day before many "right-wing" people congregated to assert their rights as Americans. It was a sophomoric attempt to intimidate, nothing more, nothing less. It's timing and its content show this administration is not serious about security, only about intimidation and control of the population that does not agree with them.



RE: It is 1854
I am sorry the first little section should have read:

It’s 1854. We should watch closely to see if any political party decides to make our agenda its own and give them our backing if they do. If none of them do, then we must form a new political party. Back in the 1850s, a populist movement against the spread of slavery did just that. That was how the Republican Party was born. If they could do it in the 1850s, we can do it in the 2000s. Also note, they ultimately met their original goal. Not only was the well-entrenched institution stopped from spreading, it was ultimately eliminated in the U.S. We too can meet our goal if we are committed enough. So, if we cannot get the existing parties to listen to us, like the Antislavery people of the mid-1800s couldn’t, then, just like them, we will start our own party, the Tea Party.

Re: the DHS report
The telling indication of the true intentions of DHS's new message, is the inclusion of virtually every group that comprised the 50% who voted against Obama.

The truth is that this is a pretext to support some draconian action Obama is planning in the immediate future.

I am praying that the Joint Chiefs are unwilling to turn their weapons on the American people.

It is 1854 and pro-slavery dems
It’s 1854. Back in the 1850s, a populist movement against the spread of slavery did just that. That was how the Republican Party was born. Also note, they ultimately met their original goal. Not only was the well-entrenched institution stopped from spreading, it was ultimately eliminated in the U.S.

Here is the true irony of the current so-called mainstream view of the political parties. The Republican Party was formed in the first place to oppose the spread of slavery. A Congress dominated by Republicans passed a Civil Rights Act in 1875 that prohibited segregation of the races in public accomodations (hotels, restaurants, etc.) and in public transportation (trains, trolleys, etc.). A Supreme Court dominated by Democrats declared this law unconstitutional in 1883. The party of Jim Crow and the KKK in the south was the Democratic Party. When Congress finally passed a new Civil Rights Act in 1964, the percentage of Republicans who voted for it was overwhelmingly higher than the Democrats who did so. For more on this see my blog see my blog entries on It is 1854 and slavery dems.

Hey Lionheart you yutz

You libtards see a racist behind every tree.

I just so happen to be proud of my country and my race and the values that I was raised on and stand for. I care not the color of my neighbors skin so long as he shares my values and adheres to my principles of life.

In my little home town, there is not a single place that a black or hispanic person would fear to go at anytime day or night. But there are many areas that I will not go after dark because my chances of getting assaulted solely because of my race is an almost guaranteed event.


Reba-Tx
In my opinion, I agree with you that demonstrating in support of a criminal that killed four policemen in Oakland was terrible judgment. Those folks chose the wrong venue to voice their anger about police brutality and the questionable murders of three black men by police (one in Oakland) in the span of 30 days
beginning on New Year's Day.

Having not read the entire report, my understanding is that veterans are not labeled as potential terrorists because of being white and conservative in their beliefs. However, they are potentially being identified as a targeted group for recruitment by right wing nuts who would love to have such military expertise within the midst of terrorist organizations. True American vets who love their country will not believe in such drivel and I for one believe that only a percentage will even entertain such thoughts. But the reality is that only just a few of these well trained individuals could inflict disasters of historical proportion if left unchecked.

Having grown up in the sixties, I disagree with your labeling the Black Panthers as a terroristic group. For those well acquainted with the original group, their existence was based on protection of the community from racist forces and police brutality, political education in the community, and social services such as their free breakfast programs. As time passed, some members of the group became more disgruntled with the lack of civil rights, police brutality, etc. and had ties with more violent prone organizations but the majority of the leadership was vehemently against terrorist actions.

In addition, ACORN and the other group you mentioned have not committed any violent acts that I am aware of.

Reba-Tx
In my opinion, I agree with you that demonstrating in support of a criminal that killed four policemen in Oakland was terrible judgment. Those folks chose the wrong venue to voice their anger about police brutality and the questionable murders of three black men by police (one in Oakland) in the span of 30 days
beginning on New Year's Day.

Having not read the entire report, my understanding is that veterans are not labeled as potential terrorists because of being white and conservative in their beliefs. However, they are potentially being identified as a targeted group for recruitment by right wing nuts who would love to have such military expertise within the midst of terrorist organizations. True American vets who love their country will not believe in such drivel and I for one believe that only a percentage will even entertain such thoughts. But the reality is that only just a few of these well trained individuals could inflict disasters of historical proportion if left unchecked.

Having grown up in the sixties, I disagree with your labeling the Black Panthers as a terroristic group. For those well acquainted with the original group, their existence was based on protection of the community from racist forces and police brutality, political education in the community, and social services such as their free breakfast programs. As time passed, some members of the group became more disgruntled with the lack of civil rights, police brutality, etc. and had ties with more violent prone organizations but the majority of the leadership was vehemently against terrorist actions.

In addition, ACORN and the other group you mentioned have not committed any violent acts that I am aware of.

I thought that the purpose
of the Homeland Security department was to work to keep us safe. Does that sound right to anyone? Instead, we have the current administration wanting to crack down on "right wing nuts" who don't share their views. Does this sound like a communist regime or what? The only think more disgusting than this lamebrain "repor" (which, theoretically, should be based on FACTS) is the fact that we get to deal with this sorry substitute for an adminstration for the next 3 years and nine months. Hopefully, voters other than myself will be disenchanted enough to swing Congress to the conservative side in two years....

Hey Anne Dahlink, BobC! The Pride
of Scranton PA is certainly an amazing fellow. He regularly appears on TH threads posting his mindless drivel which attracts every insult imaginable. He must have a very low self esteem and is starving for attention regardless of how cruel it is. He really enjoys having his hind end handed to him every day because it gives him an excuse to visit his neighborhood watering hole to cry in his beer.
No one here, except other Hufpo lightweights, has any respect for the Pride.


DHS one mind-Obamas
Remember last year when Obama said:
The presidential hopeful said: "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-Immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
The Homeland security assessment is a mirror of Obama's attitude toward Americans..


Congressman Donahue
Congressman Donahue

Please extend me the courtesy of reading my post thoroughly. My point about the use of the term Chicken Hawk is that it will be taken seriously when used by men like Max Cleland and Jim Webb. Not cavalierly tossed about by draft dodgers and speed typers.

BTW I know also Max Cleland and I am seating here looking at an autographed copy of Strong at the Broken Places he gave me thirty years ago.

LIONHEART -TX
I know what you are saying and agree with most of your points, especially, "this is directed to the raging lunatic fringe who are capable of violent acts". I have read the entire report from Homeland Security.

I have lived long enough to witness many violent acts by the raging lunatic fringe, starting with Lee Harvey Oswald, to Jim Jones, David Koresh and Timothy McVeigh. It is the job of the Department of Homeland Security to protect it's citizens from these lunatics.

However, there is an objection to diretly include returning American War Veterans in this group. I know that well trained military personell can be recruited for these group but how many really have been. McVeigh is a poor example in that report.

In addition, why are so few listed on the Left Wing Extremist group. Let's add to this list, the Black Panthers and Bill Ayers, who admitted not doing enough during his active days as a terrorist. Perhaps we should include members of ACORN among the Left Wing Extremist group. After all, they did charter bus loads to the AIG Executive's home to harass them and harassed many banks and our congress. Who were the Left Wing groups in Oakland who marched in behalf of a ex-con who murdered 4 policemen?

This report mentions right wing extremists who killed policemen in Pittsburgh, but not the Left wing extremists who supported the killer of 4 policemen in Oakland. It mentions white supremist, but not black extremist. Very bias report in my opinion.



QParker & Bill: If doofass-the-dimwit

was what he cracked himself up to be... he'd know about the "Nuremberg Principle IV."

Nuremberg Principle IV, "defense of superior orders" is not a defense for war crimes, although it might influence a sentencing authority to lessen the penalty. Nuremberg Principle IV states:

"The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him."

The United States military adjusted the Uniform Code of Military Justice after World War II. They included a rule nullifying this defense, essentially stating that American military personnel are allowed to refuse unlawful orders.


But doofass-the-dimwit is clueless!!!!


DHS
Where does DHS get its intelligence from, the Huffy-post or Daily-Kos?

Napolitano Tip of Iceberg
Obama administration uses FBI to investigate Veterans


Check out WSJ article on Drudge:


Veterans Focus of FBI Extremist Probe

Don't expect Hal to give you his miy bio
It would take too long to write that much fiction.

Water Boarding is a Bath

This water boarding is great torture. I bet you can not find more than a million teen-aged boys who are doing the same thing with their friends in the neighborhood swimming pool on a summer afternoon. Some times they call it “Marco Polo.”

Stop and think who made up this list of torture, and what they were trying to accomplish at the time. I believe the Spanish are the ones to try, and convict people who torture, after all they know all about it, dating from the Spanish Civil War and the Inquisition.

When you come back from being questioned and you have parts of fingers and toes that are missing, part of an ear, the tip of your nose, and a bunch of your hair, then I will listen to your story of torture, but don’t tell me about the bath they gave you, that won’t convince me.

There are two ways not to be tortured. Don’t get your self in that situation, and if you do, tell the truth freely.


Janet Reno(Waco) needs to chill out
wrightsrong52 writes:

5:27 AM EST
Doug Indeap
You make a very good point.
No slander at all.
Mr. Limbaugh needs to take a chill pill, as does talent scout.
========================

Your brain must be fried, Napolitano has slandered law abiding citizens and honorable veterans.
This has created a Political arm of the left wing extremists and could have and probably was written by Bill Ayers.

At least its the very same thinking that that known communist murder loving sinister and close friend of obama and all such left wing wackos.

I am standing agaisnt her and any person who supports this slanderous political hack job on millions of good American Citizens.

If that includes you, fine with me

You say "Don't Worry - Be Happy"?
"If McVeigh had taken targeted Janet Reno, and/or Bill Clinton, then his actions would have been just, and he would have been a hero, instead of a murdering fool".

"This report is just one step closer to declaring open season on whitey."

"If we don't prepare to defend ourselfs now, Crips, Bloods, and MS-13 social clubs will be using our scalps as currency. And big brother obambi will be encouraging it."

It has been reported that Obama has received more death threats than any other president. Those threats are not coming from the left (Kentucky excepted).

It only takes one fool filled with intense hatred fueled by dogmatic rantings to commit a heinous crime that he or she feels is a patriotic necessity.

Conservative talk shows frequently receive callers who infer that violence is an option
for what they perceive as a "socialist takeover".

Police should heed DHS's advice and remain vigilant of activities of extremists that could be prone to violent acts. For rational thinking conservatives, this does not include voicing your opinions nor any other non-violent method of dissent. This is directed to the raging lunatic fringe who are capable of violent acts.


Liberals Are the Biggest Proven Racists
David Limbaugh makes some really good points here on Homeland Security's slanderous assessment and insinuations that conservatives should be subjected to fewer liberties and counter-terrorism surveillance based on their pro-constitution and patriotic beliefs alone. For instance, he relates that the US govt (thru this DHS report) accuses right-wingers as being inclined towards RACISM.... Hmm??? Let's see, who in just the last election voted for someone - therefore against others such as Hilary - mainly because of his skin color??? Yeah, racist or politically correct LEFT-WINGERS did... It was historical alright. It's the 1st time ever America has elected a self-proclaimed Socialist -- who it now can be TRANSPARENTLY seen -- is as racist and radical and an enemy to our constitution as there ever has been, foreign or as domestic as the likes of William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, and Louis Farikkan. Those guys, the radical islamic fascists already within our borders, and legislators who avoid that reality are the real domestic threats. Timothy McVeigh is used as the main justification in the DHS report to slander VETERANS. However, he is only 1 of 40 million veterans, and furthermore I don't think the rental truck and manure he used in the OK City attack are "skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat" as the DHS report so unsubstantiately warns... VOTE PEOPLE to save America's founding liberties and constitution, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE, WHILE WE STILL HAVE SOMEWHAT FREE ELECTIONS; because the liberal media, so-called community groups like ACORN, and the US govt with reports like this as part of Obomba's "NEW FOUNDATION" plan are trying as hard as they can to silence or manipulate the truth as they so successfully did in the last election.

Joycey
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 11:39 AM EST
Hal ...There you are. What are you up to now?"

Getting ready to meet about our first cable TV show. Our little radio show is doing so well they would like a TV one

QParker
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 11:14 AM EST...So Harold you are saying ..."

Believe what you like it is not about me

"Also, ... the truth..."

again believe what you like

"... “warrior” and an American military man...."

I do not make a 'big deal" of my service or rank at all. I am a veteran and my oath means a lot to me. But I seldom mention by background it is usually you folks who do. Me? I just want what is best for the country

"... You wear your... Veterans and National Defense."

No I do not wear my rank I do demonstrate that it is indeed the Democrats that care about Veterans and National Defense. I am a member of a DNC council

"... However, those of us...protected constituencies... "

They definitely did that in the past and now it is extremely clear that is what Republicans have been doing for years all the while lying about their lack of support

"...If the Democratic Party ...bigoted, partisan, posterior."

LOL oh no this is yet another conservative "tempest" if DHS was not listening for veteran requirement I would be calling for her resignation.

Veterans by the very nature of their service understand the uses and methods of violence. The VAST majority remember their oath and are a huge asset to society BUT some can come unglued when influenced by merchants of violence flying under flags of patriotism and religion. Need I point out the guy who killed the three Pittsburgh Policemen was a dishonorably discharged Marine? The military and veterans ARE targets for recruitment by our foreign and domestic enemies. ONE trained soldier can cause far more chaos than most civilians.

"BTW ...and Max Cleland. "

You really are slime aren't you? Max is a personal friend and for you to attempt to disgrace any veteran's service is disgusting and living prove that conservatives could care less about either the military or veterans.

Here's the thing Limbaugh
If I am now a terrorist. Will homeland security be able to listen to my phone calls. I'm afraid of boring them with my children's pick up times and what is for dinner. Do you suppose you could give me some interesting ideas on what to talk about to stimulate the OBAMA administration?

Hal aka OBAMA
There you are. What are you up to now?

I went to a Tea Party
I did not see even one right wing extremist. I saw a huge variety of people that could have been my next door neighbors. I have always been a conservative. In my 50 years of living I have never seen a right wing extremist. I would not know what to look for. Right Wing people believe in chaos. They do not like rules. Conservatives uphold the Constitution and common sense. If the Constitution is now considered by the OBAMA administration to be right wing extremism then where are we? Wonderland?
I know he plans to remake America.
He said so.
In what image?

RUTH -
Your comment: "The report was giving potential profile info of people who might be dangerous. That potentially dangerous people might be in a certain situations (like Veterans returning) and have certain beliefs."

Good Point! It is my belief that Profiling is no longer acceptable. That is exactly what Napolitano's report is doing. Profiling certain groups without due process. I know an attorney who could present many reasons for an unjustly arrest as a result of this report. Hopefully he would present his case before a judge who believes in the constitution.

Why did Napolitano's report leave out organized gang bangers who terrorize most of our cities? Probably because most of them are illegal immigrants.




The Tactics Continue
Why does any of this surprise anyone? These are the same tactics the Obama administration have used more than once. They start a baseless rumor about an individual or group (think Rush) and then say "Oh no someone else said/thinks that". The fact is they will use their propaganda machine aka the main stream media to keep these ideas in everyone's mind. Then they will say see we were right all along and use it to their advantage. Just remeber where we heard all this before, Germany in the early 1930's. I am not saying that Obama is Hitler, thats the purview of the left when speaking of the the former administration. What I am saying is that the tactics seem to be very familiar and they did work once before. We should remain very wary of strategies like this.

Corndog
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 10:46 AM EST
WHAT WHAT WHAT

Doofass writes: "Not demise but restoration to our founders' principals."

You're kidding me right. When was it the founders' principals for government to own the banks, control industry, murder unborn babies, and tell Joe citizen what light bulb he has to use?"

They could care less about unborn babies and had their hands full keeping born ones alive. A national bank was established and business was controlled to a large extent. Society was seen as a cooperative effort. Read about settling the Ohio Valley under Washington etc

Congressman Donahue

So Harold you are saying that you have never actually expended any ordinance against one our nation’s enemies or had anyone shoot at you. Also, when you previously posted here denying any knowledge of the horrific conditions of Lyndon Johnsons VA hospitals; you were not quite telling the truth. As far as focusing on your service you unfortunately have made it germane by aggressively representing yourself as a “warrior” and an American military man. You wear your silver oak leaves on your shoulder and make the pronouncement that Democrats really do care about Veterans and National Defense. However, those of us that have seen a lot of history know the Democratic Party habitually ill uses Veterans to the benefit of their protected constituencies. If the Democratic Party really does honor Vets a great way of showing it would be stand up to Secretary Napolitano’s pressure group, and dismiss her bigoted, partisan, posterior.

BTW in the future you would appear much credible and dignified if you and the rest of the Democratic Party reserved the appellation Chicken Hawk for the exclusive use of Jim Webb and Max Cleland.

Ruth, et al.. But what we've read...

is not the entire document.

And even the one that the media has was not supposed to be leaked!


Ruth

That report was an INTERNAL report. Internal reports are specific - naming names, giving pertinent evidence and arriving at a conclusion. This report was none of that.

If you think that's a "good joB' your standards are VERY low to say the least.

Packrat: doofass-the-dimwit makes up

things as he goes along.... when he's not out and out lying that is!


Happy Gal, Obama's Pal

Hal whines, "Not demise but restoration to our founders' principals. If your think this failed conservatism of yours represents American values, you are sadly mistaken"

That is one of the funniest things you've ever said.

So you think that the founding fathers would be in favor of disarming law abiding citizens, joining a world government, confiscatory taxation, abortion on demand (even by minors without parental consent), gay marriage, running the national debt to four times the GDP, nationalizing businesses, bailing out failed businesses, threatening banks with audits and legal red tape if they didn't relax lending standards, passing bills of attainder, unionizing the government, putting tax cheats in cabinet positions, creating "czar" positions with dictatorial and absolute power, ad infinitum?

Funny Hal, I got a whole different take on the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, Federalist Papers and the writngs of Payne, Jefferson and other founders.

I'm just curious how you came to the conclusion that the founders envisioned statists like you and Obama to be representative of American values.

Bob_C: I hear you! These intellectually

limited liberal idiots can't deal with the truth...

a mistake in logic
The report was giving potential profile info of people who might be dangerous. That potentially dangerous people might be in a certain situations (like Veterans returning) and have certain beliefs.

Not to say all in a certain situation or with certain beliefs are dangerous.

It is like describing a house. You might say it has a roof. But not everything with a roof is a house- there are office buildings, stores, garages, sheds, etc.

Sounds like DHS is doing a good job. I think they should monitor potentially dangerous situations, before somebody (else) gets hurt.

They didn't mean to offend anyone.


Packrat
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 10:23 AM EST
The phony soldier comment

The phony soldier comment was out of contaxt.

It referred to a person who clained that which he did not do, ie service in Iraq, Ranger training.,,"

No actually it did not read the transcript. It clearly said "phony soldiers" and it clearly referred to soldiers opposing stay the course in Iraq. He spoke of the real phony earlier. It was a classic limbawl slander by extension only this time he was caught and had to make amends. He is a "highly trained broadcast professional" and knew what he was saying. As further proof he edited it form the AFN broadcast.

ELIMIATE THE OPPOSITION!!!
Obozo's henchmen are going after The United States Justice Foundation (USJF) -- the public-interest legal group, founded by Gary Kreep,over 30 years ago -- with a vengeance! Merely because we dare to seek the truth, whatever it is!

"USJF has started efforts to convince State Attorneys General, all across the country, to investigate whether Barack Obama has committed perjury by knowingly filing false nomination papers ... claiming to be constitutionally eligible to run for, and serve as, President of the United States. As you know, the available evidence shows that he was born in Africa.

"Mr. Obama's attorneys have threatened to spend, and then sanction, USJF out of existence."


That's exactly what Marxists - fascists - Communists do... ELIMIATE THE OPPOSITION!!!

Joel-De Oppresso Liber, Location: NV
I suspect you are a false flag. Your insane rants can be construed to be opinions held by the rational bloggers on this site, as well as the author. You create an opportunity for false accusations against innocent patriotic Americans, when your ravings are introduced as evidence at a show trial.

WHAT WHAT WHAT

Doofass writes: "Not demise but restoration to our founders' principals."

You're kidding me right. When was it the founders' principals for government to own the banks, control industry, murder unborn babies, and tell Joe citizen what light bulb he has to use?

If you are serious, then I'm sure you want your last smoke to be a toke on da chronic.

Anne

Anne points out, "phony soldier" has nothing to do with the topic."

I understand. But I know "a" was outright lying when he said that Limbaugh said to a returning vet, "phony soldier."

He's not getting a pass from me, even though I know that lying is the liberal way of life.

Corndog
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 10:14 AM EST...You seem positively giddy at the demise of this nation."

Not demise but restoration to our founders' principals. If your think this failed conservatism of yours represents American values, you are sadly mistaken

"...What brand of cigarette do you prefer?
I'd like to know, cause once we take this country back I want your last smoke to be enjoyable before we stand you up against the wall."

In that case I would think a nice cigar LOL

Bob_C: Typical liberal... diverting

from the topic.

"phony soldier" has nothing to do with the topic.

doofass-the-dimwit: We don't expect that

you'll ever "get it."

"Are you calling us Marxists or fascists? They were mortal enemies."

But, the one common denominator was LOSS of personal freedom and liberty!!!


You are NOT capitalists, by any stretch of the imagination.


There is NOTHING "laissez faire capitalism" about the govt taking over banks asd other corps. That is called "NATIONALIZING" which is the exact opposite of what the Constitution is all about.

"...Basically they are totalitarians without the religion angle that typifies our radical Muslim enemies."

doofass: "You are free to do about anything you want EXCEPT impose your beliefs on others"

Ad what exactly would you call imposing your beliefs on us???


Of course you are enemies of our Republic because you are trying to change (destroy) the basic tenets of our Constitution.

It's anything BUT "improvement."

One of the posters at the West Palm Beach TEA PARTY said...

"'Chains we can believe in'"

That about said it all!



Hal Donahue

I'm not Googling anything, limpdick.

"a" claimed Limbaugh was caught saying "phony soldier" to a returning vet. I want his source.

The phony soldier comment

The phony soldier comment was out of contaxt.

It referred to a person who clained that which he did not do, ie service in Iraq, Ranger training.

" a fake, phony soldier by the name of Jesse MacBeth who never served in Iraq; he was never an Army Ranger. He was drummed out of the military in 44 days. He had his day in court; he never got the Purple Heart as he claimed, and he described all these war atrocities. He became a hero to the anti-war left

Happy Hal, the Idiots Pal

Hal asks, "See here you go again confusing terms... Are you calling us Marxists or fascists?"

jerseyvet is calling you a Marxist. I'm calling you fascists (fascism defined as totalitarian rule with the means of production privately owned but government controlled.

Hal claims, "Change and improvement is not destruction."

Hal, even a moron knows that "change" and "improvement" are not the same thing.

Change from health to sickness is not improvement.

Change from sickness to death is not improvement.

Change from capitalism to fascism is not improvement.

QParker
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 10:00 AM EST ..."

This is not about me but thank you for your concern. I have said repeatedly I was just a "normal" guy honorably serving my nation nothing more. I am not going to list my full military bio LOL

Bob_C
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 9:57 AM EST
a

a claims, "it cost Rush and his backers $4 million to a marine charity when he was caught saying "phony soldier" to a returning vet and comparing a wounded vet to a suicide bomber. They are so fake it is amazing"

Can you give me the source for those claims? I'm no Limbaugh fan, but that doesn't sound right. I want to see the actual transcripts please."

Google Limbaugh and phony soldier it is all there and do note that Rush edited out his remark for the show when it aired on AFN

Doofas

You seem positively giddy at the demise of this nation.

What brand of cigarette do you prefer?
I'd like to know, cause once we take this country back I want your last smoke to be enjoyable before we stand you up against the wall.

The Socialist Republic of the US
To the progressive-marxists that are now running all levels of the US Government, the common sense constitution loving people on the Right of the political spectrum are the enemy.

Jerseyvet/Bob C
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 9:47 AM EST
Internal Enemies of the Republic
Bob C, thanks for correcting me. It is ... it's hard to believe that people like Hal still believe in the failed Marxist chimera but then again the evidence is all around us."

See here you go again confusing terms... Are you calling us Marxists or fascists? They were mortal enemies. Meanwhile put us down as what we are capitalists not to be confused with the laissez faire capitalism (reaganism/hooverism) that has yet to work anywhere in the world overtime.

"...Basically they are totalitarians without the religion angle that typifies our radical Muslim enemies."

Quite the opposite unlike your ilk we don't want in your homes and bodies. You are free to do about anything you want EXCEPT impose your beliefs on others

"..One thing is clear, however: They are enemies of our Republic because they would destroy it."

Change and improvement is not destruction.

Congressman Donahue

Harold, I realize you live in old Kanjorski’s District but unfortunately he looks pretty healthy. I was hoping that since you have been such a loyal Party member they would reward you with a carpetbagger seat ala Hillary.

I am sorry for not giving you credit for your Viet Nam service. I want to be the last person on earth to slight any Vet no matter what their political affiliation. I was going off of a reply you posted a few weeks ago where you stated you knew nothing of the Sewers that were Lyndon Johnsons VA hospitals because you were still in high school. By the way, so I won’t make a mistake like this in the future, where were you in Viet Nam? I would bet a future fighter jock like you probably had some real interesting experiences as a SAR crewman or Air Commando, right?

a

a claims, "it cost Rush and his backers $4 million to a marine charity when he was caught saying "phony soldier" to a returning vet and comparing a wounded vet to a suicide bomber. They are so fake it is amazing"

Can you give me the source for those claims? I'm no Limbaugh fan, but that doesn't sound right. I want to see the actual transcripts please.

a
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 9:40 AM EST
Hal
Didn't you know that if you're not or never were a conservative, you're not a "Real American Soldier" or "Real American Veteran"?"

That is the lie that what is left of the Republican Party now led by limbawl wants you to think. If you recall, it cost Rush and his backers $4 million to a marine charity when he was caught saying "phony soldier" to a returning vet and comparing a wounded vet to a suicide bomber. They are so fake it is amazing

Internal Enemies of the Republic
Bob C, thanks for correcting me. It is difficult for normal, commonsense Americans to fathom the idiocy of the quasi-Communists we have in our midst. After the collapse of the USSR and Red China's turn to capitalism it's hard to believe that people like Hal still believe in the failed Marxist chimera but then again the evidence is all around us. Basically they are totalitarians without the religion angle that typifies our radical Muslim enemies.

One thing is clear, however: They are enemies of our Republic because they would destroy it.

Happy Hal The Brownshirts' Pal

"Golly gee no kidding? Extremists come in many stripes. Hey you are here enough who is calling for stockpiling weapons and ammo and talking about violence? It is not us peace loving liberals"

Well of course not, Hal. You're on the Obama side. You're on the side that wants to do away with the Constitution that Obama and you liberals hate so much, that you swore to "protect and defend" but are working very hard to help Obama

If it ever came to violence, you'll just sit back and watch the CNSF, Obama's Brownshirts, do your fighting for you. You'll just sit there, clapping your pudgy little hands together like Mini-Me, and cheer on the statist destruction of the Constitution.

Corndog
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 9:29 AM EST
Do it now

If you haven't done so yet, I highly recommend all you radical rightwing terrorist nutjobs get your permit to carry.

This report is just one step closer to declaring open season on whitey."

"Whitey????" LOL heck look around you "whitey" is dying off and disappearing why bother to have open season?

"...If we don't prepare to defend ourselfs now, Crips, Bloods, and MS-13 social clubs will be using our scalps as currency..."

They could care less about "whitey" power and money is their concern

"... And big brother obambi will be encouraging it."

this is utter nonsense

QParker
Hey why are you trying to age me LOL? I am not 62

QParker
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 9:11 AM EST...Donahue... Harold if the Party does reward you with Murtha’s seat I want to say that it would be a refreshing change of pace...."

I live no where near Congressman Murtha's district and he is doing a great job.

"... However, on to less pleasant topics; Harold I noticed this morning that you referred to “Chicken Hawks”. Which brings me, I am embarrassed to say, to a nagging question I have had about you. Harold, as a 62 old, how did you miss going to Viet Nam, how come you were not commissioned until 1974?..."

I did not miss the Vietnam Conflict and that was because I was an enlisted guy then LOL. I told you I was a member of the VFW

jersyvet

jerseyvet says "I'm mortified, as a veteran, that I post on the same site as Hal. Somebody send him a copy of Mark Levin's "Liberty and Tyranny." As a supposed commissioned officer(?) he doesn't even understand what is going on."

You're wrong about one thing. Hal knows EXACTLY what's going on and is complicit in Obama's plan to irradicate all vestiges of capitalism in America.

Hal is the ultimate statist - a useful idiot and stooge who imagines himself in the ruling class if and when Obama succeeds. He can't imagine that he'd be eliminated in a Stalinlike purge. He's too damned important to the cause, don't you know.

Do it now

If you haven't done so yet, I highly recommend all you radical rightwing terrorist nutjobs get your permit to carry.

This report is just one step closer to declaring open season on whitey.

If we don't prepare to defend ourselfs now, Crips, Bloods, and MS-13 social clubs will be using our scalps as currency. And big brother obambi will be encouraging it.

Bob_C
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 9:15 AM EST
Happy Hal, the Statist Gal

Hal says, "Both extremists the Army brief mentions McVeigh and the DC sniper?

Hey Hal, the DC Sniper was hardly a "right wing extremist." He was a black Muslim - and therefore a Democrat liberal."

Golly gee no kidding? Extremists come in many stripes. Hey you are here enough who is calling for stockpiling weapons and ammo and talking about violence? It is not us peace loving liberals

robert Location: TX
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 8:54 AM EST
RE: Hitler State?
Look, this DHS Sec. with the Frank Luntz hair cut is used to the McViey thing because she worked on that situation. This is about the entire mind set of the entire Admin. and it view of the Military and the Vets that served this country!!!"

You mean pushing for all the VA funding and DoD funding for troops? Their view of the Military and the Vets that served this country is unending gratitude and pride. It is your fringe who abandoned them in the desert over and over with little support to families or veterans. Look at facts not words

"... These clowns that are in the WH Admin. are proving everyday that they are out of touch with the regular joe of this country and could care less about the needs of these folks..."

Not true. You are making the classic mistake of identifying your tiny fringe as mainstream - regular Joe is extremely satisfied with Obama's [performance to date

"... and all they care about is the Socialist agenda and the breaking down of this country as you and I have know it!!!..."

I hope so! Did you miss the message of change? We are rebuilding the nation from well over a generation of conservative abuse

"...They ARE THE REAL RADICAL EXTREMIST HERE not me who is disabled and fought to preserve this country as it is!!"

Actually no true again. You fought to preserve and defend the constitution not to stop change or at least that was your oath. Thank you for your service

Obama's Butt Boys
I'm mortified, as a veteran, that I post on the same site as Hal. Somebody send him a copy of Mark Levin's "Liberty and Tyranny." As a supposed commissioned officer(?) he doesn't even understand what is going on.

His idol, Obama, is spending trillions to eviscerate our republic and the bill is going to come due for our grandchildren and their children. And the economy will collapse and stagnate for years while Mussolini's heirs, courtesy of Obama's vision, march and stifle creativity and free enterprise.

But, hey, he just symbolizes the nincompoops and idiots who put Obama in office.

doofass-the-dimwit: "wikipedia?"

Are you crazier than we thought???

The wiki is not reliable.. Anyone can edit and put anything they want... true or not!


And I "can" go to Puff-ho, but I choose not to... lies and hate are not my thing!



Happy Hal, Anti-Vets Pal

"Hmmm the VFW Commander agrees with me is he on the wrong side too???"

Yes. Apparently he's as senile as you. The commander at my post is an a-hole also, more concerned with the politics in the post than the vets. Petty minds think petty thoughts.

I'm sort of liking it
I'm a potentially dangerous extremist.

That's so much more interesting then being a mommy who does systems engineering.

When I fill out forms that ask for occupation I might start putting Rightwing Extremist rather than my rather boring corporate title.

Happy Hal, the Statist Gal

Hal says, "Both extremists the Army brief mentions McVeigh and the DC sniper?

Hey Hal, the DC Sniper was hardly a "right wing extremist." He was a black Muslim - and therefore a Democrat liberal."

robert_TX: Thank YOU for YOUR service!

Interesting, more and more (ret) military analysts are speaking out against the Obozo admin. appointees.

And even now, a demo strategists is coming out against the most recent policies.

The other thing that doofass-the-dimwit doesn't understand is that the "Oath Keepers" are defending the Constitution. Each and every "order" they've sworn to not obey are orders that are if direct violation of the Constitution.





CHOLLYBYGOLLY
No need to fully apologize.

Hitler's stated goal of destroying Christianity is one point on which many lefties would agree!

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/weekinreview/word-for-wor d-case-against-nazis-hitler-s-forces-planned-destroy-german .html

Kinda destroys that Bush=Hitler thing to rest.

Congressman Donahue


Harold if the Party does reward you with Murtha’s seat I want to say that it would be a refreshing change of pace. I would expect the Party would task you, as a USAF Vet, with describing our aircrews as cowardly bombing women and children, giving us a break from Murtha’s continual slander of our Marines as a collection of rapists and murderers.

However, on to less pleasant topics; Harold I noticed this morning that you referred to “Chicken Hawks”. Which brings me, I am embarrassed to say, to a nagging question I have had about you. Harold, as a 62 old, how did you miss going to Viet Nam, how come you were not commissioned until 1974? Still, not wanting to petty I am sure that you can offset your lack of service in the unjust Viet Nam conflict by detailing the combat missions you flew in Desert Storm.

Robert
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 8:51 AM EST
FYI
Fox News’s Catherine Herridge revealed that the report, along with an earlier report on radicalized left-wing groups, was actually “requested by the Bush administration” but not completed until recently:

HERRIDGE: Well this is an element of the story which has largely gone unreported. One looks at right-wing groups, as you mentioned. And a second is on left-wing groups. Significantly, both were requested by the Bush administration but not finished until President Bush left office."

Go to the Huff piece and click on the links to US Army briefings to the troops. It is the same

TH readers...
Email your Senators and Representatives TODAY asking them to demand Janet Napolitano's resignation. Do it now!


Bob_C
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 8:39 AM EST
Happy Hal, Vet Haters' Pal

Again, for sombody who claims to be a veterans' advocate, you prove just the opposite by yet again comong down on the wrong side.

This "briefing" was insulting to veterans and yet you defend the insult instead of the vets."

Hmmm the VFW Commander agrees with me is he on the wrong side too???

Anne
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Robert_Rudolph

Anne
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 8:09 AM EST
Doug Indeap: In a way you're right...

"No Slander."

It was much MORE than "Slander."

It was an out and out threat against EVERYONE
who as much as disagrees with the govt or the unconstitutional policies an laws!

Typical Marxist mentality!!!"

Too bad you are not allowed to go to Huffington because it contains links to ARMY briefings.

"... The left wig has historically been far MORE violent!

Timothy McVeigh? One... one guy. "

Both extremists the Army brief mentions McVeigh and the DC sniper but let's not forget the Pittsburgh cop killer who said Obama was coming for his guns... and Rudolph?

Bob_C: See what I mean about doofass-

the-dimwit usually being confused... when he's not totally irrational and lying???

"My oath is to protect and defend the Constitution. I grew up in the 50's and 60's when state's right folks were racist filth trying to retain and then reimpose state sponsored segregation or divide society."

He's right.. his rationalization is what doesn't work!!!

doofass stands with the federal government, because he doesn't understand the 10th Amend.

doofass is again confused.. "Laissez faire capitalism failed yet again."

Nope! It was the demos... as far back as Carter, who messed it up... How pathetic!!!


There is NOTHING "free market" or "capitalistic" about anything that Obozo has done.

Of course it is fascism, but doofass doesn't know what fascism is!


RE: Hitler State?
Look, this DHS Sec. with the Frank Luntz hair cut is used to the McViey thing because she worked on that situation. This is about the entire mind set of the entire Admin. and it view of the Military and the Vets that served this country!!! These clowns that are in the WH Admin. are proving everyday that they are out of touch with the regular joe of this country and could care less about the needs of these folks and all they care about is the Socialist agenda and the breaking down of this country as you and I have know it!!! They ARE THE REAL RADICAL EXTREMIST HERE not me who is disabled and fought to preserve this country as it is!!

Happy Hal, The Statist

Hal claims "My oath is to protect and defend the Constitution."

Apparently you only protect and defend parts of the Constitution - you know the parts you agree with (which is obviously very little) - and ignore those pesky parts which limit your beloved federal government. Remember the tenth Amendment?

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

"I grew up in the 50's and 60's when state's right folks were racist filth trying to retain and then reimpose state sponsored segregation or divide society. Sorry this doesn't work and many of our current problems arise from this era. The states rights folks where first Democrats and then became conservatives. I stand with the federal government"

That's YOUR OPINION, Statist Boy. I couldn't care less where you grew up or how your twisted mindset was formed. You were an idiot then and you remain an idiot.



FYI
Fox News’s Catherine Herridge revealed that the report, along with an earlier report on radicalized left-wing groups, was actually “requested by the Bush administration” but not completed until recently:

HERRIDGE: Well this is an element of the story which has largely gone unreported. One looks at right-wing groups, as you mentioned. And a second is on left-wing groups. Significantly, both were requested by the Bush administration but not finished until President Bush left office.

Hal

Save your economics opinions for the yokels on HuffPo. You don't know what you're talking about, and you're tiresomely trite and stupid.

You, in your collossal ignorance, may be enthralled with Obama's incompetence by I'm not.

Happy Hal, Vet Haters' Pal

Again, for sombody who claims to be a veterans' advocate, you prove just the opposite by yet again comong down on the wrong side.

This "briefing" was insulting to veterans and yet you defend the insult instead of the vets. Nice going statist boy.

Bob_C
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 8:07 AM EST
Anne

Hal is a statist. Anything negative or critical uttered with regard to his beloved federal government - an entity which is perfection in his eyes - is hateful, nasty and incompetent...."

My oath is to protect and defend the Constitution. I grew up in the 50's and 60's when state's right folks were racist filth trying to retain and then reimpose state sponsored segregation or divide society. Sorry this doesn't work and many of our current problems arise from this era. The states rights folks where first Democrats and then became conservatives. I stand with the federal government

",,, He's just hoping to live long enough to witness the fall of capitalist America and the transition to Fascist Amerika under Premier Obama."

WOW you are way out there LMAO. First in case you missed it look around you. Laissez faire capitalism failed yet again. Now President Obama is rebuilding the free markets that reaganism/hooverism destroyed. To call this fascism is laughable; it is restoring real capitalism you know the same one that made us THE world power following WWII

Bob_C: doofass-the-dimwit is usually

confused... when he's not totally irrational and lying that is...


Happy Hal, The Statist Pal.

Hal asks "What "list". You don't think military and veterans should be briefed and concerned about being recruiting targets of right wing extremists?"

Hal, have you actually read that "briefing?"

If that's an example of a useful government briefing - with no specifics, no conclusion and by their own admission, no evidence to back up their insinuations - then you're more of an idiot than I think you are. It was nothing but Obama propaganda and a low-life hatchet job.

Notice that they named no groups or individuals in an INTERNAL briefing, but just vague, nebulous references to "extreme, right-wing radicals"? Of course not. You're too stupid to notice.

Like I said, Hal, you're in love with statism.

doofass-the-dimwit: You really think

I'd go to Puff-ho? LMAO!!!

Geeze, talk about hate!!! Puff-ho is Queen of the hate groups, not to mention liars!!!!

Doug Indeap: In a way you're right...

"No Slander."

It was much MORE than "Slander."

It was an out and out threat against EVERYONE
who as much as disagrees with the govt or the unconstitutional policies an laws!

Typical Marxist mentality!!!

"... risk of right-wing extremists resorting to violence and perhaps recruiting those with weapons expertise to do so."

Right wing?

"Do you deny the risk?"

The left wig has historically been far MORE violent!

Timothy McVeigh? One... one guy.




Bob_C / ExRCSD Deputy
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 7:45 AM EST
ExRCSD Deputy

ExRCSD Deputy observes, "Since you claim to be a "veteran", you are on the list."..."

What "list". You don't think military and veterans should be briefed and concerned about being recruiting targets of right wing extremists?

"...No, Hal has no balls. He's a REMF and a whacko statist. "

Thanks for proving yet again you are a liar

Anne

Hal is a statist. Anything negative or critical uttered with regard to his beloved federal government - an entity which is perfection in his eyes - is hateful, nasty and incompetent. He's just hoping to live long enough to witness the fall of capitalist America and the transition to Fascist Amerika under Premier Obama.

Anne
Another Army presentation lays out what it calls "Right Wing Ideology":

• America is in moral and religious peril
• Satanic forces are about to seize control of the world.
• Religions other than their own are false and not important.
• Anti-government

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-soltz/military-training-o n-extr_b_187924.html

doofass-the-dimwit: Exactly HOW is Nee's

comment...

"Wanted:
Constitution supporters
Limitied Gov't supporters
@nd Ammendment supporters
Legal Immigration and border believer"

hateful, nasty and incompetent?


Republicans Get Some Guts


The charming, attractive, Secretary Napolitano is now damaged goods. Press home the attack and make this misbegotten creature the first casualty tossed aside by the Dear Leader.

Call your Representatives and veteran organizations, demand this partisan political hacks resignation.

doofass-the-dimwit: You're CONFUSED!

"Of course you don't. Do you care that the military briefs similar to our troops? No, you don't. All you are in a panic about is the FACT that the troops are quickly gathering around and supporting President. Gosh imagine that the troops are patriots!'"

What you mean is "military GETS those briefs."

And, given what was IN that brief, and who ALL had been identified as "terrorists," NO WONDER the military and police, etc., have signed onto "Oath Keepers."


My Apologies
I deeply regret the comments I inadvertently made in one of my earlier posts: I was responding only to the Democrat party's adoption of National Socialism (nationalizing industries like health care, energy, and banking) as the economic underpinning of the Government of the United States.

I was merely trying to avoid comparing Democrats with Nazis when I wrote that real Nazis, on the least of whose backsides the likes of Barak Obama and Barney Frank would not amount to a suppurating pimple, would be deeply offended by such a comparison. I further asserted that to compare Democrats with Nazis is tatamount to offering unauthorized Hell's Angels patches for sale in a gay bar.

Looking back on it, I can see where a Democrat or two may have been offended. If that has happened, I sincerely apologize to anyone who might have been upset by my remarks. I write dozens of these posts and often fail to proofread them properly. Any offense I may have given was purely typographical and unintended.

So call off your Nazi dogs, Janet, and let's be friends!


ExRCSD Deputy

ExRCSD Deputy observes, "Since you claim to be a "veteran", you are on the list."

No, Hal has no balls. He's a REMF and a whacko statist. He wouldn't work to limit the federal government he loves so much. He wants total government control under Premier Obama.

Doofass:
Since you claim to be a "veteran", you are on the list.

reprob8

Naive...yes Unfortunately, those fringe hate-groups do exist and are a lot more underground than you know.

You mean like ACORN, Code Pink and Earth Liberation Front, among many other extreme left-wing radical groups?

Nee
"Location: NC
Reply # 21
Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 7:29 AM EST..."

Not going away but thank you for providing more material on how hateful, nasty and incompetent the conservative remnant is

Reprob8
"Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 7:18 AM EST
Naive...yes
Unfortunately, those fringe hate-groups do exist and are a lot more underground than you know."

I attended anti immigrant rallies here when that was "the" conservative issue; roughly 40% of the crowd were skin heads, neo nazis and white supremacists. But this is all about the limbawls trying to find an issue that will stick. Heck even the VFW didn't go along with this one

Wanted:
Constitution supporters
Limitied Gov't supporters
@nd Ammendment supporters
Legal Immigration and border believers


Oops, that would be me...I am a right wing extremist, I guess.

Doofass
just go away. You are the male version of Monkey Girl (aka Kimberly, Hazel Window Cleaner, Nero Davola,Raelei, and now Rachel.)
You have no brains for they have been bled into the toilet out of the orifice you thought was your mouth.

David, David with a case of the vapors
"...I don't care that this was only intended to be an internal report..."

Of course you don't. Do you care that the military briefs similar to our troops? No, you don't. All you are in a panic about is the FACT that the troops are quickly gathering around and supporting President. Gosh imagine that the troops are patriots!

"...This has to be affecting the thinking, direction and actions of those responsible for keeping this nation safe from true terrorist threats..."

McVeigh and the Pittsburgh cop killer were not true threats???? Oh what were they then?

"... This report seeks to poison the minds of agents to make them believe that returning veterans warrant greater scrutiny and that conservatives are prone to bigotry."

Well returning veterans have always been cause for concern and not just in the US. Being a chicken hawk you would not understand this. Conservatives are not prone to bigotry????? LMAO Did you type this with a straight face LOL?????

Naive...yes
Unfortunately, those fringe hate-groups do exist and are a lot more underground than you know.

This from the Concord Monitor 4/14:

About 150 white nationalists banned from rallying at a Boston venue migrated to a Loudon, New Hampshire American Legion hall last Saturday to attend a concert and fundraiser dubbed "Patriot Action." Billy Roper, chairman of the Arkansas-based White Revolution, said at least 150 people attended the event in Loudon, describing it as "a combination of a social gathering and a political rally, if you will."

Breaking News!!

Just released Bush Administration Report:

We have absolutely no evidence of it but the possibility exists that gullible college students by the hundreds of thousands may be recruited by extreme left-wing community organizing groups for the purpose of registering voters all across the country in such demographics as the dead, the insane, and the senile. There is no indication that it is true, but they may try to influence both national and local elections through voter fraud, intimidation, ballot stuffing and electronic hacking. We envision this to greatly influence the 2008 elections, possibly tipping the election in many states toward the extreme left-wing candidates. The left in America, although we have no proof of it, are very supportive of these radical left-wing individuals and groups and both help them through inside support and anonymous donations to the tune of millions of dollars.

Although we have no specific proof of such activity, it is well known that extreme left wing radicals in great numbers vote multiple times in national elections and that these radical left-wing extemists are funded by certain radical left-wing groups supported by radical left-wing Hollywood figures, certain leftist media and foreign sources, including communist and socialist countries.

Nowhere in the report

Is any specific "right-wing extremist" group or individual named. Instead it's a blanket hatchet job on conservatives in general (including talk radio) written in vague, mealy-mouthed rhetoric designed for nothing more than to make the whackjob left look mainstream.

There's enough mea culpas in this obscenity to make one ask, "Why spend taxpayer money to produce a report that has no specifics, no conclusion, and absolutely no point other than "perhaps maybe if the planets were aligned correctly, this maybe might happen, but we have no evidence or indication of this or that."

In other words, it's typical liberal stupidity.

THE BROTHERHOOD OF FEAR
The sweeping indictment of conservative Americans in the recent DHS report branding us dangerous right wing nuts should come as no surprise as it is symptomatic of an insecure administration quickly losing its grip on reality and devolving into paranoia; an administration fearing a strong populist backlash over its radical policies to socialize, transform and deconstruct America. An administration headed for the rocks. At the height of the madness that shook the late 60s Ayn Rand said of the New Left that it was "a brotherhood of fear." And so it was and still is as is evident from this document.....

Click ApolloSpeaks and read the rest of this piece.

Doug Indeap
You make a very good point.
No slander at all.
Mr. Limbaugh needs to take a chill pill, as does talent scout.

LEO and those crazy right wingers
Somewhere I heard or read that the police were cheered at one of the Tea Parties. Then former NYPD commissioner Kalder said on RedEye that the Tea Parties were the type of events where the police officers actually felt like they had a great deal in common with the participants.

DHS can spew all they want about "their belief" in the danger posed by those crazy state's rights, pro-life, NRA members, veterans, etc. but I have more faith in most of the members of the law enforcement community. Without some evidence of a genuine threat, I do not believe they will ignore the genuine threats to focus on "right-wing extremists."

This report just makes the DHS look stupid and ideology driven.

Real Risk. No Slander.
talent scout,

Again, do you deny the risk of right-wing extremists resorting to violence and perhaps recruiting those with weapons expertise to do so? Any other risks you'd prefer our security people to ignore?

Also, that this one report focuses on this particular risk does not suggest that Homeland Security has forgotten of all the others.

Have a nice night.

It's No Accident . . .
. . . that these Muslim extremist training camps are not mentioned in this report. The Obamaites are in deep with CAIR, OIC and other alphabet-soup Islamist front groups. And don't forget Obama's having literally bowed down to the Saudi oil sheiks.

Meanwhile, as to this slanderous political profiling by Napolitano, this DHS report has the appearance of having the fingerprints of the radical far-left extremist Southern Poverty Law Center all over it. Remember that that group's ignominious "leader," Morris Dees, has made the exact same pronouncements as contained in this document for the past several years, ever since the 1990's.

Here is the real extremists
And Napolitano ignores them to become a politcal arm of the extreme left.

This is where the danger is, real live military training using live fire, right under everyone's nose in America, and nappy slanders Vets and law abiding Citizens.

There are over 35 terrorist compounds in our nation. This is about the spread of homegrown terrorists in our backyard. The group, Muslims of America, have established 35 compounds in the USA.

http://faultlineusa.blogspot.com/2009/03/video-35-islamic-t errorist-training.html

Where are these people in nappy's report?
Oddly she says nothing and I find that extremely strange


You made no points Doug
You are stupid to think you can say what another person finds offensive.
Stupid, stupid stupid

Shut up, Doug
This is slander

Repeat: No Slander
talent scout,

"Shut up" is no reply to the points made in my earlier comment--none of which, by the way, you have even addressed, let alone refuted. I gather from that that you don't have a sound reply.


Profiling
Veterans as all Tim McVeigh is so offensive to the honor of Veterans this woman must be fired.
Mike Savage, the most courageous man in the Media today has partnerned with the Thomas Moore Law Firm to rid us of this extremist Janet (Waco) Napolitano.

quote:

Savage sues Napolitano for targeting vets
DHS report 'would have admiration of any current or past dictator'

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=95244

Here is evidence
Of the real danger in America, not a word from Janet (Reno Waco) Napolitano.

No intelligence service can miss what every person on the internet all ready knows, the only one Napolitano has not profiled are the very people who have 35 Militant live firing training camps all across the USA.

quote:
There are over 35 terrorist compounds in our nation. This is about the spread of homegrown terrorists in our backyard. The group, Muslims of America, have established 35 compounds in the U.S.

http://faultlineusa.blogspot.com/2009/03/video-35-islamic-t errorist-training.html

Doug Indeap
Shut up
You idiot

Perhaps We are Wrong
to be offended by the title "right wing extremists."

If being a patriot who loves the country and is willing to speak out against those who are trying to destroy the morallity of it, our freedom, and the other principles of The Constitution then I will proudly wear the title!

No Slander.
The report merely calls for those protecting the homeland to be aware of the risk of right-wing extremists resorting to violence and perhaps recruiting those with weapons expertise to do so. Do you deny the risk? Are there any other risks you would prefer our security forces to ignore?

I think it's only prudent they take note of this risk--particularly since it's hardly far-fetched (recall Timothy McVeigh).

As for the specious claim of slander, this report hardly denigrates members of the military services. Rather it notes that they may be targets for recruitment owing to their expertise with weapons.

The military itself has long recognized the very risk mentioned in the Homeland Security's report and has cautioned its members about it. See http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-soltz/military-training- on-extr_b_187924.html Were they slandering themselves?

Take a deep breath and stop hyperventilating about insults that aren't.


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