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Tuesday, February 03, 2009
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
Senate Must Reject Faux Stimulus
by David Limbaugh
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Americans should contact their congressmen before it's too late about their instinctive concerns over efforts to convert the world's greatest engine of free market prosperity into a socialistic leviathan under the euphemistic cover of possibly successive rescue "stimulus" bills.

The stated rationale for the original Troubled Asset Relief Program "bailout" wasn't to stimulate the economy to get it moving again, but to toss it a liquidity life raft to loosen credit markets and keep it from drowning. That is, the idea was to prevent a catastrophe, not to empower little Napoleons in government to play God with the economy.

Former Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson's scare tactics -- heartfelt or not -- panicked the country into action, and TARP became a reality. Yet not much seemed to change. Politicians will always be able to say that if we hadn't implemented TARP, America's economy would have tanked beyond our wildest nightmares. And being without the supernatural power to prove a negative, we'll never be able to disprove their claims.

Of all the concerns we had concerning TARP, our greatest should have been that once we opened the door to this magnitude of governmental intervention -- especially under a Republican administration -- we'd have even greater difficulty in resisting efforts by politicians to reopen it in the future anytime they pronounced there was a crisis.

Sure enough, Mr. Obama and his confidants view this "crisis" with eager anticipation as an opportunity to actualize their dreams for government to assume its rightful place as Master of the Universe and choreograph the economy on a super-macro level.

Even the bipartisan Congressional Budget Office has revealed Obama's bill is largely not stimulative. It's more accurate to describe it as a grandiose slush fund for his preferred projects, support groups and constituencies on the spending side and a massive redistribution of income on the tax side.

When the bill is stripped of its rhetorical disguise, we see it's a license for government to shackle the invisible hand of the free market and appoint itself manager of the gross domestic product according to the superior wisdom of central planners.

Why do you think the Obamites are constantly blaming market excesses, greed and Wall Street for our financial problems, when most of the blame lies with politicians themselves? Why do you think they trash talk the economy every day, when they know that such pessimism from "on high" will cause real economic damage, considering that much of the spending downturn is related to a crisis in consumer confidence? The answer is that they need us in panic mode -- the only mindset likely to divorce us from our ordinary walking-around sense and make us receptive to the big-government remedies they're salivating to employ.

Note that President Obama doesn't even pay lip service to making his interventionist plans short-lived. And by their terms, it's impossible they could be. This is an effort to restructure our economy radically toward the type of command and control model that has accompanied tyrannical regimes throughout history.

Nor does Mr. Obama express the slightest concern that his plan would further expand the national debt. Indeed, Democrats have suddenly developed permanent amnesia about their professed budget concerns, whose primary usefulness (as weapons against President George W. Bush) expired along with the Bush term.

To accept that deficits and debt were high on their priority list would require us to believe they'd fundamentally changed their age-old tax-and-spend philosophy and to ignore their persistent obstruction of entitlement reform. The Clinton budgets are no rebuttal. Clinton had to be dragged kicking and screaming to fiscal restraint by the Gingrich Congress.

Everyone knows government doesn't have the money -- even through tax receipts -- to fund this bill. Other than defense spending, which Obama unwisely plans to cut drastically in this time of war, Obama has no intention of substantially cutting other expenditures. Even if the bill as presently configured succeeds in jump-starting the economy, there will eventually be a day of reckoning over our increasingly unmanageable national debt.

If only government-planning liberals would be honest and admit they believe their ideas on how to spend the people's money are morally superior to those of the American people as expressed through the free market. Then, instead of dealing with the smoke and mirrors of the bill's proponents, we could point to world history to demonstrate conclusively that despite the sometimes-best intentions of social planners, command and control economies have only spread misery and never worked to produce the kind of prosperity that is only possible in a free market.

Unless this bill is dramatically overhauled, the Senate, instead of trying to massage it toward passage in allegiance to the seductive but dangerous goals of bipartisanship or just getting something done, should reject it outright.

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David Limbaugh, brother of radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, is an expert in law and politics and author of Bankrupt: The Intellectual and Moral Bankruptcy of Today's Democratic Party.
 
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MyOpine -
DeMint's Job Plan makes one heck of a lot more sense than the insanity the Dems ramed through the House -- but then are we living ln sane times?

Leftism's quandary
Liberals hate man and progress. They hate human happiness and success on earth. They will never admit it, but that is the basic motivation that lies behind the creation of their ideology, and it is why they adopt it.

It explains why Obama is **cking up all over the place. He is obligated by his political loyalties to enact an ideology which by its very nature is anti-progress, anti-recovery. But his personal political fortune depends on turning things around and improving the state of the nation. Yet his ideology undercuts this goal at the root.

Faced with the universal consensus that his stimulus plan cannot work, he has been forced to choose between the two more extreme alternatives of the opposing camps: That of the right, who says that government should enact tax relief but otherwise stay out of the way; or that of the left, who tells him that it won't work because it is not large enough and that he must think BIG to save the economy. The right(wing) choice will lead to a wholesale leftist revolt against him. The leftist choice, while holding that rickety barge of collectivist coalitionism together momentarily, will lead to destruction of the economy, his failure to get re-elected, and a doomed legacy.

Obama is in serious trouble. The domestic and foreign problems that he faces today would be enough to jar even the most competent conservative. Obama is in completely over his head.

I no longer think Obama is likely to win re-election in 2012 (unless he has the sense to channel our last conservative President, William Jefferson Clinton, but he is too narcissistic to do so). He has been channelized into greater leftism, he is in a state of denial about the quandary, and he will continue thinking that he can talk his way out of situations. I have no doubt that in the back of his mind, he senses what is at stake and that he is in great political danger, but you know narcissists...

Friends
It gonna get cold in Ga. tonight,too. Maybe in the teens tomorrow night. I am tired of hibernating in my cave. This is one of the coldest winters I can remember. Darn Alpha Gore!

BManIII, Georgetwin
You two are BAD!!!

Georgetwin
and don't forget the pink berets...

for all of the d(e)ck hands.

Designed by Hal himself....

BManIII
Of course they will have all the new recruits when "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is repealed. The problem is that they will ALL want to be Rear Admirals. LMAO! HIC!

Summers
Gonna be a might chilly in these parts tonight.

A heavy dose of Global Warming I'm afraid. Al Gore must be close by.

But as soon as he thaws out he'll rescue us.


Rowly
Last I heard, his polling numbers from the military wasn't anything to brag about.

Lots of people contemplating getting out when their time is up.

I can't much blame them either.


Georgetwin
Sail Eared Simpleton!! HAHAHAHA!!! Too much!

Georgetwin
I think they both were LYING.

B Hussein O was outright LYING.

Or is Hal just so stupid he fell for the propaganda and believed it.

So does that make him a LIAR? Or just a stupid useful idiot?

Or just another dumbazz from Scrotum, PA?





BManIII
Always great to see you! Hope it's not too cold tonight in your neck of the woods!

Willibeaux
The Sail Eared Simpleton is sinking fast!

BmanII,Georgetwin,Summers..
I have wondered how most of the military feels about him anyway,since he didn't seem to support them when he was a senator. A cut in pay,etc.would not set well,I wouldn't think.

Hey George! I think
you may be on to something. The "Big O" is tanking?
Couldn't happen to a more deserving person

BMan
WAIT A MINUTE! Didn’t Hal Drunkahue tell us that Boondoggle Hopey Opiumaddict was going to FIX the Military. Could it be Hal was LYING or that Obama was LYING or BOTH!

Summers
Not a problem, Hal was agitated today because Boondoggle Hopey Orifice is TANKING!

Georgetwin
Thanks. Next time he makes a joke I will count on you to point it out to me.

Rowly, Summers & Georgetwin
I heard today that The One was wanting an across the board cut in military spending of 10%.

Do you think Hal's pension will be cut by 10%.

And Hal always claims howthe demoncraps are so much "for" the military.

First chance they get The One starts cutting...

Jimmy Carter Part II



Rowly
Hal Drunakhue, Turd Receiver, a couple of California Cretins and various others are just trying to prop up Boondoggle Hopey Oompa-Loompa but doing in Cyberspace what they are afraid to do in person.

Brickhouse
I WILL have them in my FIGURATIVE sights from now till Election Days in 2010 and 2012.

Summers
I was a bouncer for a few years in the early 90’s but nowhere near Scranton. That is what passes for wit from Hal Drunkahue.

Georgetwin
You are probably right. If I wanted a debate,I would let him know. I do not like to argue. I like to state my opinion and that's all.

Remember Who They Are Next Election
All those who willingly allowed Obama and his cronies to literally destroy our future for generations to come, should be remembered. Remember those whose political careers need to be put to a screeching halt.

Georgetwin
Were you a bouncer at Hal's bar?

Hal Donahue
Where did you get your information that Rush is causing Clear Channel's problems? Your stock broker? C'mon, Hal.

Rowly
Asking Hal Drunkahue to STFU is like asking Turd Receiver NOT to be a COWARD! It goes against their basic nature.

Hal
My dad and three brothers were military. Two in Korea and one in Germany. Dad in WW 1. One brother passed away last fall.

Neither would have EVER called their commander-in-chief words you have called GW Bush. You ARE a traitor of the worst kind. Benedict Arnold would not associate with you were he alive today.

Now, I ask you kindly. Do not EVER answer another of my posts unless I direct it to you...which I would never do. That is MY call!

HalDrunkahue
I NEVER failed at bouncing! How about these ETHICALLY CHALLENEGED Liberals like Daschle, Geithner, etc? why aren't you ripping into them?

Georgetwin
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 10:11 PM EST
Summers-Rowly-Anne-Others
Hal .... has ZERO sources. It is just another Delirium Tremens Diatribe."

ah a word heard from our poor failed bouncer....

Rowly
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 10:03 PM EST
Hal
I left one out. You are a shameless traitor. How do you like them apples?"

I am many things but traitor is not one of them. Just because you disagree does not make me a traitor. But you calling a poor military pensioner like me traitor does open some questions about you....

Summers-Rowly-Anne-Others
Hal Drunkahue has ZERO sources. It is just another Delirium Tremens Diatribe.

Summers
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 10:00 PM EST
Hal Donahue
'Clear channel is in trouble and blaming collapsing revenue from Rush.'

Source, Hal?"

Sure call your stock broker and ask for a report on clear channel. Take their word not mine

Hal
I left one out. You are a shameless traitor. How do you like them apples?

Hal Donahue
'Clear channel is in trouble and blaming collapsing revenue from Rush.'

Source, Hal?

Rowly
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 9:54 PM EST
Hal
There are a lot of things you don't get,Hal. Number one...I don't want you to answer my posts. "

Not your call that is mine

"...Number two...you are a stupid arrogant,foolish, egotistical buffoon."

and will you agree that you are an out-of-ideas name caller?

"...Need more? Just let me know. Oh yes,one more,Hal....you are a low down liar!!!"

nope I don't lie wrong there LOL

Hal
There are a lot of things you don't get,Hal. Number one...I don't want you to answer my posts. Number two...you are a stupid arrogant,foolish, egotistical buffoon.

Need more? Just let me know. Oh yes,one more,Hal....you are a low down liar!!!

Rowly
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 9:03 PM EST
Hannity
Hannity is talking about the rant of Christian Bale,the actor who lost it on a movie set. The worst language I have heard. Could not listen to much of it. There is a link on Drudge. Listen at your own risk."

Is Hannity still on air? We don't get him any more he was dropped for local talent when his ratings were undetectable

doofass-Marxist! Ruh roh!

"Obama preserves renditions as counter-terrorism tool"

"The role of the CIA's controversial prisoner-transfer program may expand, intelligence experts say."

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-rendition1-2009feb01,0,75 48176,full.story

"Reporting from Washington -- The CIA's secret prisons are being shuttered. Harsh interrogation techniques are off-limits. And Guantanamo Bay will eventually go back to being a wind-swept naval base on the southeastern corner of Cuba.

"But even while dismantling these programs, President Obama left intact an equally controversial counter-terrorism tool. "


Did ya get that? "President Obama left intact an equally controversial counter-terrorism tool."



Hannity
Hannity is talking about the rant of Christian Bale,the actor who lost it on a movie set. The worst language I have heard. Could not listen to much of it. There is a link on Drudge. Listen at your own risk.

Baci
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 8:40 PM EST
Rgeek
Note Geek I think what you see is a shift to the web, from radio
See this nice detail of how poorly liberal sites are doing

The decline of townhall
Traffic to town hall has decreased over 30% last 3 month
Huffington post has increased 19%
Huffingtonpost.com has a traffic rank of: 478 (up165 places )
Townhall.com# Townhall.com has a traffic rank of: 4,369 (down1,867)
Data Feb 1st 2009
Source http://www.alexa.com/data/details/main/townhall.com
Looks like you guys could be in trouble if the Heritage foundation ever stops giving money"

Yes but I do hope TH survives. I mean they are so much fun as a central focal point for the loony right. Heritage is their only hope right now but hey who is looking. All they can say is Soros. A very nice piece of work thank you

So doofass! Lets get this straight!


Are you a member (in good standing, of course) of the "American Marxist Party?"

or

Are you a member (in good standing, of course) of the "American Communist Party?"


And the other question is, are you actually a "card carrying member" or did you sign up electronically?


I mean, we shouldn't be calling you "doofass the Marxist" if you're actually a member of the Communist Party, and we shouldn't be calling you "doofass the Communist" if you're a member of the Marxist Party!


We're all about be being polite, ya know!


ExRCSD Deputy
You bet and isn't she a real veteran? I heard her talking wondrously about the SR-71

Doofass
Is your "buddy" Randi Rhodes, the loser on Airhead America?

John37
Have you seen Senator DeMint's Jobs Plan?

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Economy/hl1108.cfm

Borrowing our way out of debt?!?
It is urgent that we inject some sanity into Congressional madness regarding stimulus plans. When has a problem of excessive debt been solved by borrowing oodles more and going on a spending binge? The only borrowing that makes any sense is the minimum that will provide efficiencies to put people to work paying down what we already owe. It’s a lot more difficult than throwing our money to the special interest groups that support Obama.

Folks
My buddy Randi says that Rush's audience is now down to 14 mil could it be true? Clear channel is in trouble and blaming collapsing revenue from Rush. What is going on? My guess two things an urge to get on with life and stop the bickering but also the economy

Crooks & Liars

Daschle has mercifully withdrawn his nomination. I don't know why. He is no worse than the rest of the bloody crooks in the administration.

Government officials were at one time in our lifetimes,if not clean....at least cleaner. Now,there is no oversight of them. Look at the crooks holding office at present.

The only congress people who must leave office when they are caught with their hand in the cookie jar is Republicans.

Democrats would love to purge congress of ALL their opposition. So if one has even a HINT of wrongdoing,they are dogged until the are history. Not so with Democrats. They go their merry way and pay no price for their crimes.

No one in the present administration would have been approved had they been Republicans. But then,I know of no Republican president who would have nominated CROOKS in the first place.


Liberal Radio Station bites the dust

Washington Post 2-1-09

"The Washington Post’s Howard Kurtz reported Monday that "President Obama may be riding high in Washington, but OBAMA 1260 is not. The area's only progressive talk station is changing formats, dropping such syndicated liberal hosts as Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller and Bill Press in favor of financial news, starting next week."

"Program Director Greg Tantum says he thought the station could work because of enthusiasm over Obama, but that ratings collapsed to a level that could not be measured after the election. But ratings nearly doubled, he says, at...conservative station, WTNT, which features Laura Ingraham and Bill Bennett. Tantum said he will move Schultz to WTNT to give him another shot."

Apparently even Washington DC, can't take Liberal nonsense 'Talk Shows'."

Obama already tired of White House

WASHINGTON (AP) - "On the rockiest day of his young administration, President Barack Obama did what surely made him happy for a while.

He left.

With little notice, the president and first lady Michelle Obama bolted the gated compound of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. in their tank of a limousine on Tuesday. They ended up at a Washington public school, greeted by children who could not care less about the collapse of a Cabinet secretary nomination.

"We were just tired of being in the White House," the president candidly told the gleeful second-graders at Capital City Public Charter School."

Charles LPKY
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 6:03 PM EST
Hal
"Oh not true you have people here actively threatening secession or seemingly contemplating civil war"

If our country gets turned into a socialist state...I am with them..."

I am no longer certain what a "socialist state" is I mean people here call FDR's New Deal and WWII a socialist state. That is the problem when buzz words are used. I too took and oath to protect the constitution as long as that prevails I am fine do not cross that line.

"... I served this country to protect it from such things, and although i am no longer in the service, i am still bound by my oath to defend the USA from all enemies foreign and domestic. I am still bound to protect our constitutional rights."

As I said above the constitution without buzz words

"...No i do not like Rush, he is way to far on the right, just like Obama is to far on the left..."

LOL that is my point Obama is a left leaning moderate yet the rhetoric would have you think code pink ruled

"Sure come on up if the shoe fits. What you going to attack me LOL?"

good thing your not in my presence to find out...You would not LOL for long, Never question my Patriotism."

I won't and don't question your patriotism unless you talk rebellion and treachery as many do here - those folks are former patriots.

ExRCSD Deputy
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 6:18 PM EST
Rowly:
It's a little weird, but the Doofass spent almost all of 2008 calling conservatives deadbeats, when it came to paying taxes( I once pointed out that I paid close to 42% of my income in taxes, but that was not eough in his opinion, while is lower tax bill was). He sure has been quiet about the tax cheats Obumbler picked for his administration."

Let us just say that it has not been the new administration's best day so far LOL

Charles LPKY
HalD took a different Oath of Allegiance when he entered military service than we did. His oath had an expiration date!

He whimpers about Conservatives wanting Obama to make a comic fool of himself so he will fail his run for a second term.

HalD is a full blown Surrender Monkey who wants America to be defeated in war!
He used to post Anti-American Propaganda here.
Front line soldiers visited this site then.
The enemy also posted here a few times.

I don't think HalD hates America.
I think he is just so crazy to be noticed that he will do anything to make people aware of him.
He is just a psycho drunk.

ExRCSD Deputy
We can use the help. My area did not get hit that hard, but every county around us did. A big Thank You to the State of Texas.

Good night :)

Charles LPKY
Hang in there. I know local Texas electric companies are sending crews your way to help restore power, along with a bunch of people coming just to help on their own.

Conservatives
Thanks for welcoming a Conservative Libertarian to the TH forum...Although i do not think we will agree on all topics, I believe we will agree more than we disagree.

You all have a wonderful evening, and i will be back by 9 am tomorrow. See ya then.....

I think we have a new and more

appropriate screen name for doofass!

"doofass The Marxist Baby Killer?"




My Opine
I Know it just P!$$ed me off when he questioned my Patriotism, i should not have let him get to me. I believe his ideology is flawed (severely) and that there is no help for him. He probably sat in one two many liberal classrooms.

Rowly:
It's a little weird, but the Doofass spent almost all of 2008 calling conservatives deadbeats, when it came to paying taxes( I once pointed out that I paid close to 42% of my income in taxes, but that was not eough in his opinion, while is lower tax bill was). He sure has been quiet about the tax cheats Obumbler picked for his administration.

Charles LPKY
Ask willibaux about HalD.
HalD has a reputation for running from fights and tattling to the Base Commander.

His conceit combined with his insane compulsion to be noticed has already earned him the disgust of Conservatives.

He carries extrovert way beyond the realm of insanity.

QUESTION!

Are all stupid and/or crazy people (like doofass) Marxists?

or

Are all Marxists (like doofass) stupid and/or crazy?




doofass the Marxist doesn't understant!

Okay, doofass the Marxist, one MORE TIME!

"So I shamelessly say, no, I want him to fail, IF HIS AGENDA IS A FAR- LEFT COLLECTIVISM, SOME PEOPLE AY SOCIALISM, AS A CONSERVATIVE HEARTFELT, DEEPLY WHY WOULD I WANT SOCIALISM TO SUCCEED?"


I've lost track of how many times I've cleared that up for you..... but here it is!!!

"... WHY WOULD I WANT SOCIALISM TO SUCCEED?"


No sane person, no real American wants this country to become a Socialist/Marxist/Communist country!



See Ya'll Later
Time for me to go but i have one more thing for Hal...try to stay on topic instead of harassing the people posting here. If you want to post your ideas for making our country better go ahead, just refrain from the personal attacks. That is probably good advice for everyone here that needs it.

The Deadbeat List Keeps Growing.
The Clinton/ Obama Administration is doing the rest of us a favor. They are shining the light on deadbeats .

Democrat deadbeats we would never have known about had they not been on the administration 'short list' for office.

Most of them are Clinton Cronies,so who is surprised that they are lawbreakers? Certainly not me. As a Clinton watcher from 'way back when 'Clinton was King',they both are snakes in the grass. We have ample proof of that.

Is there something about Democrats that they just CANNOT tell the truth and play the game straight? Deadbeats,I tell you,Deadbeats. The entire lot of them!


Hal
"Oh not true you have people here actively threatening secession or seemingly contemplating civil war"

If our country gets turned into a socialist state...I am with them. I served this country to protect it from such things, and although i am no longer in the service, i am still bound by my oath to defend the USA from all enemies foreign and domestic. I am still bound to protect our constitutional rights.

No i do not like Rush, he is way to far on the right, just like Obama is to far on the left.

"Sure come on up if the shoe fits. What you going to attack me LOL?"

good thing your not in my presence to find out...You would not LOL for long, Never question my Patriotism.

Doofass:
THe only POTUS to ever suspend Habeas Corpus was Obumbler's hero, A. Lincoln. I suspect that if Obumbler couuld find a way, he'd do it too.

Ret Geek: And the last laugh would

be on our resident Marxist, doofass!

Hell, the govt will throw him under the bus on at least three (3) different criteria...

1. Too old.
2. Overweight
3. Mentally unstable (crazy!)

and there could also be #4 & #5 given the govt will require "mental health, abortion, sexual details"



doofass is a Marxist/Communist!

"Nope I don't think it should be....."

What? You don't think WHAT should be? I think we'd ALL like to hear, in your best Marxist/Communist talking points, exactly why.


"but if it is I do believe their should be heavy penalties to opt out."

Why? Again, we'd ALL like to hear, in your best Marxist/Communist talking points, exactly why.


"Heck mine are already computerized with uncle."

I don't think anyone gives two hoots, in fact I don't think anyone gives ONE HOOT if your records are with the govt, and YOU have no problem with the govt having YOUR records.

That's your choice!

"You folks crack me up you don't mind it when habeaus corpus disappears but you panic over records LOL"

Wait, do you even know what you're talking about? Did you mean "habeas corpus?"

What exactly does a writ of habeas corpus; an inmate be brought to the court so it can be determined whether or not that person is imprisoned lawfully and whether or not he should be... have to do with the govt making decisions about your health care??????

I'll tell you what!

Nothing! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!



Charles LPKY
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 5:34 PM EST
Not Hoping for Failure
I do not want failure from any of our elected officials, but from the what i have seen from this new administration i believe it will fail."

OK so you at least are not a rush fan

"Not a single one of us in here want our Country to fail. Lets face the facts most of the administrations in the last 50 years have failed the American people."

Oh not true you have people here actively threatening secession or seemingly contemplating civil war

"And the term "Former Patriot" is quite offensive and i wish you could say that to my face."

Sure come on up if the shoe fits. What you going to attack me LOL?

curmudgeon @ 5:44 PM EST
You are so right. What do you think should be done to repair the damage to the economy?

Liberals are Models of Tolerance

Liberals are Models of Tolerance, unless you disagree with them or their positions.

Anne your post at 4:44 PM

Never has every citizen in America had their health records in a centralized database.

If extremists from either 'Far Left' or 'Far Right' have control of the House, Senate and Presidency there could be real problems in a National Health Care System.

Your an illegal immigrant, NO Health Care for you in our tax based system.

Your a smoker, NO Health Care for you in our tax based system.

You have already had an abortion, NO Health Care for you in our tax based system.

Your over weight, NO Health Care for you in our tax based system.

Your a Homosexual, NO Health Care for you in our tax based system.

Your a drug user, NO Health Care for you in our tax based system.

Your a convicted felon, NO Health Care for you in our tax based system.

Your a racist, NO Health Care for you in our tax based system.

You have a violation for hate speech, NO Health Care for you in our tax based system.

You used too much energy last year, NO Health Care for you in our tax based system.

You are too old, NO Health Care for you in our tax based system.

You are handicapped, NO Health Care for you in our tax based system.

Modern day computing and databases would make things like this simple and quick.


the bill is not about stimulus
it is about buying democratic hedgemony over american politics for the rest of our lives, and its about our great grandchildren paying for it all of their lives. only the most corrupt could possibly favor it.

Doofass:
When it comes to being a tool. You are a perfect example of one.

Lou Dobbs
is on the air for another 20 talking about Obama's illegal alien aunt

http://lou.noxsolutions.com/loudobbs

Not Hoping for Failure
I do not want failure from any of our elected officials, but from the what i have seen from this new administration i believe it will fail.

Not a single one of us in here want our Country to fail. Lets face the facts most of the administrations in the last 50 years have failed the American people.

And the term "Former Patriot" is quite offensive and i wish you could say that to my face.

Hal The enemy Collaborator.

1st version), You said both Israeli & Palestinian soldiers, (plural), broke down and came to you and cried in your arms.
(2nd version), An Israeli soldier, (singular), broke down and cried in your arms.
I don't know what you were trying to say but what you actually did say is that you have never been close enough to sustained combat to be familiar with the symptoms of combat fatigue.

You told us another lie last night.
You claim you were in Lebanon, wearing the uniform of a foreign power.
That is a little vague don't you think?

I think you are a phony, just like the guy your group hired to lie about our military.
You certainly have never been close to sustained combat.
Are you like this guy in the video Hal?
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/phony-soldier-jesse-macb eth-tells-all

You are so starved for attention you will invent any lie to get it.

I think your entire life consists of pickling your brain in alcohol.
You are a fat lazy drunk who has to invent a fantasy life because the only real life you have lived was in a bottle.

Tolerance
What tolerance do liberals have....i see no tolerance here in this forum....unless you agree with the liberals here...just an observation.

Anne, I Noticed That...
the Doofus Ghost Writer is trying everthing he can think of to get a rise. But to tell the truth, it is 4:00 pm CST and I need to get back to work.

Hey Doofus Ghost Writer! When the real "Harold Donahue" returns to relieve you, please call me. I'll come back and play some more.

All Dems tax cheats or ones Obama knows?

Are all Democrats tax cheats, or just the ones Barack Obama knows?
------------------------
Feb 3, 2:55 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) - "Nancy Killefer withdrew her candidacy to be the first chief performance officer for the federal government on Tuesday, saying she didn't want her bungling of payroll taxes on her household help to become a distraction for the Obama administration.

Killefer was the second major nominee to withdraw. Within hours, former Sen. Tom Daschle also withdrew his nomination to be secretary of health and human services.

In a brief letter to President Barack Obama, Killefer, the 55-year-old executive with consulting giant McKinsey & Co., wrote that she had "come to realize in the current environment that my personal tax issue of D.C. unemployment tax could be used to create exactly the kind of distraction and delay" that must be avoided in responding to urgent economic problems.

She offered no further details of her tax difficulties."

Obama is not what he seems, nor is he otherwise.

Charles LPKY
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 5:19 PM EST
Are we trying to
Fix the problems the US is facing or still fighting among ourselves?"

From the posts here it sounds like former patriots hoping for failures

Are we trying to
Fix the problems the US is facing or still fighting among ourselves?

Anne
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 4:44 PM EST
Ret Geek: And they'll soon be screaming.

when they realize that, among other items, the $600 MILLION item for SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE Start-Up has NOTHING to do with "job creation" or economic stimulus.

Far, far from it!

"Economic stimulus? Feds want your medical records... is so clueless and delusional that he probably still believes participation will be optional. HA!)"

Nope I don't think it should be but if it is I do believe their should be heavy penalties to opt out. Heck mine are already computerized with uncle. You folks crack me up you don't mind it when habeaus corpus disappears but you panic over records LOL

Gray Ghost
That punishing tax Obama plans to use so that only the very wealthy, (and Tax exempt), will be able to own firearms would be the dumbest thing Obama could do. He would do better to furnish all the firearms and explosives anyone wants.

Government has detectors for commercial arms and explosives.
There are no detectors for improvised arms & explosives.
As a single instance;
Everyone knows what a pistol looks like.
Everyone has a healthy respect for a pistol.
If someone were to point a paper tube at you and demand your wallet, what would you do?
That paper tube could be far more lethal than a firearm.
That paper tube could launch a glass Christmas tree bulb full of pyrophoric Napalm at 200 ft. per second.
Full body armor could not protect you from that paper tube.

Weapons can be made to look like anything and be composed of anything.
See what I mean?
Dardic proved a firearm can be made of plastic.
Without percussion ammo available there is no need of complex mechanical ignition. Throwaway guns with electric ignition can be cast in gang molds and look like an I-Pod or Cell-Phone.
Americans will not be easy to disarm.

MyOpine
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 4:29 PM EST
Gray Ghost
Do you think these halfwits will ever realise that they will suffer the same loss of freedoms that we do?....Do you think any of them are smart enough to realize that al-Qaeda's primary targets are the soft, unarmed civilians in heavily populated areas, (Mostly Blue)?"

Yet is mostly the reds who are frightened of their shadow and let fear rule their lives - pretty weak.

"...Obama wants to disarm America and make us more vulnerable to attack..."

Again another lie but that is OK keep worshiping at the altar of the gun the rest of us know it is a tool nothing else.

Read another NRA comic book

Anne-MyOpine-GGhist-GunnyG-Rowly-Others
EVERY DAY, the Sail Eared Simpleton steps in it a LIIIIITTLE deeper and shows his true nature a LIIIIIITTLE bit more. You would think he would DETEST a bill with that much pork in it. After all, he is a MUSLIM! LMAO! HIC!

MyOpine
The Muslims hate liberals most of all. They think they are decadent,lowlifes,etc...... I may be part Muslim.

Obama is a Weirdo Marxist
Tell us what a GREAT Lady you are Sophie.
Tell us about your sex tour of Europe in your $80,000 Sports Car!

Tell us how you are on Permanent Welfare due to permanent mental disability.
Tell us what happens when you try to interview for a job looking like Corporal Clinger in drag!

You have been boring us today.
You owe us a few laughs!

Ret Geek: And they'll soon be screaming.

when they realize that, among other items, the $600 MILLION item for SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE Start-Up has NOTHING to do with "job creation" or economic stimulus.

Far, far from it!

"Economic stimulus? Feds want your medical records"

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=87322

"Electronic database to include lawsuit, mental health, abortion, sexual details"

"A little-discussed provision in President Obama's economic stimulus plan would demand that every American submit to a government program for electronic medical records WITHOUT A CHOICE TO OPT OUT, and it has privacy advocates more than a little alarmed....."


(Poor doofass is so clueless and delusional that he probably still believes participation will be optional. HA!)


MyOpine 4:23pm
They are so far detached from reality, that they believe it is "justice" to silence any critic. When O'Vomit turns on them the shock will be unbelieveable.

As for Al Qaeda, they truly believe that it can't happen to them. (They are in denial.)

As for O'Vomit's gun control, I am waiting and watching.

Biden,The Gaffe Machine
Botox Biden flubbed the oath of office he was tryin' to give Miz Hillary. But she still is Secretary of State,dagnab it. Our worst nightmare...another crook with a badge!

Gray Ghost
Do you think these halfwits will ever realise that they will suffer the same loss of freedoms that we do?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId= 76438

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2008/09/obama_truth_squ .html

Do you think any of them are smart enough to realize that al-Qaeda's primary targets are the soft, unarmed civilians in heavily populated areas, (Mostly Blue)?
Obama wants to disarm America and make us more vulnerable to attack.
Is this what is in store for our big Blue cities?
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/01/20/64603.html

Soon Everyone Will Realize

Soon Everyone Will Realize that Obama's "Recovery Plan" was never meant to stabilize America, but to make the problems worse.

Obama will NOT let this crises be wasted.

For Obama to bring his plans into fruition the situation must get worse and then he can began to Nationalize the production systems in America.

The Nationalization of Banking has already begun and is well on its way.

Even the most ardent Obama supporters will begin to see the Obamunism taking place, some are already complaining about it.


Stupie:
Maybe if you were a lady, we'd treat you like one. Ladies do NOT go where they are not wanted, and the TH monitors have made it abundantly clear, you are NOT wanted here. Take the hint, leave, and do not return.

Doofass:
We know you are a pathological liar. Like I said earlier you were proven to be liar within 24 hours of your first arrioval, and you haven't quit lying since.

GunnyG© still waiting for an answer LOL
Hal Donahue Location: PA
Reply # 219
Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 3:30 PM EST
GunnyG©
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 3:23 PM EST
Hal Drunkahue
"I gave you three squadrons LOL..."

If you did this, then you should be able to do it again."

Ahhh your mind going? Did you lose the info? Did I give you my AFSC?

Gray Ghost
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 4:00 PM EST
Georgetwin 3:45pm
Now that we know for certain that "Hal Donahue" uses ghost writers, ..."

Are you incapable of telling the truth? Evidently the answer is yes LOL

GrayGhost
DITTO! BTW, have you heard:

“Make no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter. ” Sen. Tom Daschle, Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507.

and that Hal is a pilot:

http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/display/5d8edff4-9687 -4ec6-809e-a56dc3292b72.jpg

and Wobbie lands jets on a boat:

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/09/lego_aircraft_carr ier.html

Sophia Is A B*tchwolf
"My new year's resolution was to quit picking on the defeated, despairing, delusional republicans (bad Karma and all)..."

So how much are you getting paid to continue? $7.50, $10.00, or $15.00 per hour?

That is pretty low wages for a two-bit wh*re. And you must be a wh*re, since you shrill like one and act like one.

Obama is a Marxist
So all you can criticize is a punctuation error?
That makes you a petty vacuous NOTHING!
In so doing you concede everything else in his post is correct!

And you like to sling petty dirt at Conservatives?
EAT A MOUTHFULL OF OBAMA DIRT!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId= 56626

You come here trying to deride Conservatives and you are the dumbest NOTHING on TH!
All you are good for is to embarrass Democrats by inviting reprisal in areas normally out of bounds.
You are a terrible detriment.
We are thankful the Democrats are cursed with you.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Georgetwin 3:45pm
Now that we know for certain that "Hal Donahue" uses ghost writers, it is more than likely that "Ranger29", Sophie (and her many iterations), and TR (and his many iterations) are basically the same (i.e., nothing but paid Liberal hacks).

All we need ever do from now on on any thread is to mention that they are "ghost writers" and paid Liberal hacks (so that new comers don't believe their BS), and if necessary refer to this thread to prove Doofus has a ghost writer.

Ranger29, Sophia, and TR are repugnant, lying idiots anyway. If they told me night was dark and day was light, I would check to verify.

ExRCSD Deputy
By the time they get through with Blago/ Raines/etc, The NYT and other birdcage liner companies go belly up and Boondoggle Hopey Oompa Loompa joins Congress in the single digits for approval rating, the tables could turn.

Georgetwin
Thanks!

By the way, I thought the second of the three you mentioned had told us all just a few minutes ago she had to leave us to do some work. Yet less than 10 minutes later she was back (at least Mario needed almost 7 and 1/2 hours to break HIS word a couple of weeks ago about his return to this site).

Wow, she must really turn a trick fast!

Georgetwin writes:
GunnyG
DASH-HOLE OUT?!?!?!?! That really breaks my heart, all I can say is:

“Make no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter. ” Sen. Tom Daschle, Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507

You left out "Unless the cheaters are liberal Democrats, then they have only committed minor mistakes or oversights."

SHGround
IQis29, Sophie and Turd Receiver.

Retired Geek 3:31pm
Perhaps O'Vomit selects "nefarious friends, associations and alliances" because these are the only people and groups who can stand him?

Obama is a Marxist
Hey dummy, If you Marxists are in such a great majority then why do you always have to have the posthumous vote and use ACORN to get out the politically ignorant vote?
!!http://www.obamaunveiled.com/

You are nothing but a noisy minority.
You did not win an Election because there was no Election.
MSM chose Obama and picked McCain as his opponent because McCain IS THE MOST HATED MAN IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!
Most Republicans refused to vote for McCain.
Bush was elected as the lesser of two evils.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/john-kerry-gained-fame-t hanks-to-phony-soldiers

I defy you to show me any difference between Obama & McCain other than (R) or (D).
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/23/122006.sht ml

Electing McCain would only get Republicans blamed for what irresponsible Leftists do;

Like empty vessels, you Marxists make a lot of noise but that is all you are, a lot of noise!
Most of your noise today seems to be boasting about MSM GIVING you an election!
Other than that, you are a NOTHING minority with a compulsion to screw up!

GunnyG
DASH-HOLE OUT?!?!?!?! That really breaks my heart, all I can say is:

“Make no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter. ” Sen. Tom Daschle, Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507.

Gunny: 63% And Falling
By June 2009, O'Vomit will be lucky if it is at 45%. If Israel hits Iran before then, his approval numbers could be at the "freezing point" (32%).

soph
ciao and stop bye soon

Obama is in Attack Mode

Obama the 'Narcissist' has detailed his lack of identity, self-worth and self-esteem in his books and interviews.

Obama the 'Narcissist' feeds his 'Needs' from the feedback of his followers and anyone who will listen to him and praise him.

Obama finds his 'self induced' visions of grandeur hard to maintain. Obama does NOT like any challenge to 'His Reality'. Obama is NEVER himself but identifies with the image of his 'Reality'.

Obama believes any challenge that would ask him to account for his actions, decisions or positions, is 'Unacceptable' and does NOT give him the 'Reverence' he so justly deserves.

Obama wants everyone to look at him with admiration, gratefulness and awe, to feed his insatiable appetite to feed his inner lack of self-worth and self-esteem.

Obama will sacrifice anything and everyone that does NOT contribute to his self-image.

Obama will be 'Ruthless' towards anyone or anything that does NOT acknowledge that Obama is 'The One'.

Obama will NEVER be satisfied with just Americans proclaiming 'Obama is the ONE', he seeks the acknowledgment of the 'Entire World'.

Obama recently attacked Jessica Simpson for taking him off of the cover of 'Newsweek Magazine'.



Stupie:
Don't go away stupid like you are, just go away, and never return.

11th Marines!!!!!!
Gunny, I never knew you were a "Cannon Cocker". D*mn proud outfit.

GunnyG et al

I am really surprised at those who are alarmed at some of Obama's choices in people.

Obama has a long and extensive record of choosing nefarious friends, associations and alliances.

Barack Obama's friends, Mentors, religious advisers and alliances, look like the 'Who's Who of Radicals, Terrorists, Hate Mongers and Racists' in America.

The real question is:

Are fundamentally flawed and corrupt people attracted to Barack Obama?

OR

Is Barack Obama attracted to fundamentally flawed and corrupt people?

OR

Is it just a mutual admiration society?

GunnyG©
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 3:23 PM EST
Hal Drunkahue
"I gave you three squadrons LOL..."

If you did this, then you should be able to do it again."

Ahhh your mind going? Did you lose the info? Did I give you my AFSC?

Georgetwin
Oh, after seeing her post, I realized I'd forgotten about Sophie: I guess she's the second one, huh? The identity of the third slips my mind at present, as I don't recall anyone else off the top of my head who has had many different post names here on TownHall.

Stupie aka Obama is a werewolf
dissaciated herself from the human race a long time ago. Whatever she is, it aint human.

Obama was out RUNNING
today and the crowd was cheering:

"RUN FOREST RUN!"

he waved and smiled.

Gunny, Check the Ghoist Writer's 3:17pm
"It will stay that way too there is more than enough data on Hal out there without adding more LOL"

The Doofus Ghost Writer is "tap-dancing" again.

Georgetwin
You mentioned 3 trolls who are banned here on sight by TownHall's moderators. I know about Ranger29, but I guess I must be unaware of who the other two are. So now you've aroused my curiosity: who are they?

GunnyG:
The Doofass cannot even remember that he was once in the tank for the Wicked Witch of Chappaqua.

GunnyG©
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 3:13 PM EST
Hal ..."Yet you honor proven disgraces like Ollie North and Cunningham"

Ollie a disgrace? hardly."

He is another convicted felon who got off on legal technicalities. He violated his oath of office and lied to Congress and damaged the Constitution for this he was convicted of numerous felonies. The facts were never disputed but the convictions were thrown out on legal technicalities with the help of the ACLU. These are facts that are beyond dispute

Obama is a werewolf
Sophie the drag queen is on deck!

How's the hormone treatment going?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!

Hal Drunkahue
"I gave you three squadrons LOL..."

If you did this, then you should be able to do it again.

My first unit in the Corps was 11th Marines in 1979.

Surely YOU can remember YOUR service...

Hey Charles! OIAW is
none other than Sophie Darlin'. She changes her moniker to try to fool the TH moderators. Don't pay her no rabbit a** mind.

Retired geek
Check this out on Dopey.

During almost two years on the campaign trail, Barack Obama vowed to slay the demons of Washington, bar lobbyists from his administration and usher in what he would later call in his Inaugural Address a "new era of responsibility." What he did not talk much about were the asterisks.

The exceptions that went unmentioned now include a pair of cabinet nominees who did not pay all of their taxes. Then there is the lobbyist for a military contractor who is now slated to become the No. 2 official in the Pentagon. And there are the others brought into government from the influence industry even if not formally registered as lobbyists.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/02/03/america/03lobby.php

No WONDER his approval rating is down to 63% and FALLING!

Those Who Don't Believe Obama

If you don't believe that Obama wants America to fail, try the Obama Doctrine of Economics in your own life.

President Obama believes that 'Borrowing More Money and Spending More Money' will help America reduce debt and bring financial health to America.

If you can't pay your Credit Card debt, just follow the Obama Economic Plan and charge more on those credit card and apply for more credit cards to charge on.

Mortgage everything you own and sell everything else to raise money.

Charge, charge, charge and invest everything else in Companies that are proven failures and are poorly managed.

It may take sometime as Obama explains, but soon you will be debt free and in good financial health.

Obama says don't delay, do it now, do it today, time is wasting.

DOPEY MCCHANGE 0 for 3
"Daschle was the third high-profile Obama nominee to bow out. Obama initially had tapped Bill Richardson to be Commerce secretary, but the New Mexico governor withdrew amid a grand jury investigation into a state contract awarded to his political donors."

Join the crowd under the Odumbo Express Dash-hole.


Standhisground 2:48pm
Sorry, had to run to the restroom (too much ice tea at lunch).

I would expect Doofus's ghost writer to accept Ranger29. They could possibly know each other.

I was a "short-timer" in the USAF. Got out in 1973 when the AF did a RIF. All I ever had was a cadet rank (ROTC). My father was West Point of the Air, 33rd Pursuit, 3 victories, N. Africa, Sicily, & Italy. I have an uncle who is retired USAF (Korea and Viet Nam).

My uncle "swears" he ran across Harold Donahue while he was in the service. He said he was a paper-shuffler, no flying classification.

Whatever the story is, I am glad that we now know that he has a "ghost writer".

(However, I agree with your comparison of Arnold and Judas to the Doofus.)

GunnyG©
Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 2:58 PM EST
HAL THE LIAR
"Look little ones gunnyg asked for squadrons and AFSC I gave him both but go ahead and attack my service typical of you types...so typical."
---------------
Wrong. You never gave me an AFSC and you NEVER gave me your squadrons."

LMAO how did you learn I was what you called an RSO I told you the very same day I gave you three squadrons LOL as you say BUSTED.

"...In fact, your profile on miitary.com is BLANK!"

It will stay that way too there is more than enough data on Hal out there without adding more LOL



Obama Wants America to Fail

The 'Mantra' of ideologues, is based on the words 'Who' or 'How', and concentrate on the past, instead of the present.

Their survival technique is based on, 'Determine 'WHO' or 'How' and then flail away at those who caused the need to survive, instead of 'What' can one do to survive, in the present.

"There will be time enough for counting, when the dealing is done".

The primary 'Goal' of Barack Obama is the failure of America.

Barack Obama's core belief, is that investing in failure and nurturing failure, will produce 'Failure' in America, which is his goal.

Barack Obama believes that 'Failure will be the Success' of his administration.

Why does Barack Obama want America to fail?

Barack Obama (and any thinking person), knows that his 'Stimulus package' will cause more Business's to fail and more jobs to be lost, creating more panic and economic destruction.

Capitalism must fail, so that Obamunism (Socialism), can take over America, at every level.

Barack Obama's goal is Socialism, Socialism's goal is Communism.

Barack Obama has a chance to do what he has trained for, worked towards and dreamed about his entire life - destroy the American way of life and install Socialism in America.

Meanwhile, ideologues across the spectrum of politics, focus on the past and the 'Who' and 'How' America was placed in 'Survival Mode' instead of focusing on Surviving the present.

DASH-HOLE OUT!
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D964904G0&show_arti cle=1

Looks like ANOTHER of the empty suit's picks goes down in flames!

BWAHAHAHHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!

ExRCSD Deputy
ABSCAM Murtha is Hal's HERO and Drunkahue WORKED on Hanoi John Fonda's Kerry's campaign!

The VERY guy who slammed Vietnam Vets with his false 1971 Senate testimony. (That he was never charged for. We call that PERJURY!)

Georgetwin
I do not mind liberals posting if they add to the discussion and can do it without name calling.
anyway got an appointment see ya'll later

Hal Drunkahue
"Yet you honor proven disgraces like Ollie North and Cunningham"

Ollie a disgrace? hardly.

Cunningham? I'm GLAD HE IS IN JAIL!

How's that trial of William Jefferson going? Or Rangel? Or Dash-hole? or Ghietner?

In fact, YOUR HERO IS ABSCAM MURTHA!

hahahahaha! TOOL!

OIAW
You know nothing about me, i am not far right but i am Conservative on most issues, and if you knew your politics you would know that LPKY
is the Libertarian Party of Kentucky so shut your pie hole and get a clue before you post anything

Last post to you Troll

Doofass:
Both Backstabber Boys, Murtha and Kerry, are disgraces to the uniforms they wore, and you standing with them, makes you a disgrace.

Hal's Bio
http://profile.military.com/member/view.do?memberId=4754773

Now THAT's a warrior!

BWHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!

Charles LPKY
There are currently 3 trolls who are banned on sight by TH Moderators. But don't worry, WE WILL lengthen that list!

Standshisground
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 2:48 PM EST
Gray Ghost
I'm not aware of ANY active military or ex-military conservative who ...Am I to assume that Hal is the truther while all the rest are the liars? Uh, no."

LOL if things are as you say then the answer must be yes, not no

"...In fact, all you need to know about Hal Donahue is that he apparently accepts Ranger29's military claims as bona-fide (and if this isn't so, Hal, I dare you to come out and say so - but I'm sure you won't)..."

I always start if Ranger is who he says he is... heck unlike you guys I say I don't know when I don't

"...If Hal were considered reasonably truthful by the conservative military vets here, even though he's an ultra-liberal, I would probably at least tip my hat to him for his military service to this country - if that service even actually HAPPENED..."

LOL maybe it is time to stop attacking a proven veteran and ask about the others then? FYI, I am a moderate

"....I regard him in the same category as John Murtha and John Kerry..."

better company I would have a hard time finding to stand with. Attacking soldiers' service because you disagree with them is the height of dishonor

"...Hey, remember, before he became a traitor, Benedict Arnold was a hero in the Revolutionary War. But for which period in his military career did he carve his greatest legacy? We all know the answer to THAT one. And Judas was, after all, one of the original 12 apostles. Again, though, what is his greatest legacy to history - the fact that Jesus called him to be with Him, or something else? ...."

Yet you honor proven disgraces like Ollie North and Cunningham. You guys are so sad, weak and misguided

Standshisground
Good post on Hal.

My profile on military.com has been viewed by a few regulars here and several of us have met in person. So many of us know one another.

Hal is a conglomeration of simpering libstain ghost writers and he's claimed to been everywhere and done everything but what we've been able to ascertain is that he buffed seats with his a** on active duty and not much else.

Gunny
Thank you for the info i will read more of your blog when i get the opportunity. Ya'll have a good day, even the trolls. got to go for now might be back on later.

Hal
You do not deserve anymore responses from me... You never stay on topic and just come in to TH to make a fool of yourself.

TH needs an enema...in other words we need to clean out the @$$holes.

Have a nice life, If that is possible for someone of your character.

TR aka quit trying repugs
"obama has been the most bipartisan president."

HAHA! The ONLY thing he's had bipartisan was the UNNAMIOUS GOP voting AGAINST his Porkulous Bill along with ELEVEN Democrat heroes!

So SHOVE IT TR!

The Doofass scribbles:
You heard what an A-10 simulator was didn't you?

a trash can and the sim operators threw rocks at it

AKA your your aircraft

HAL THE LIAR
"Look little ones gunnyg asked for squadrons and AFSC I gave him both but go ahead and attack my service typical of you types...so typical."
---------------
Wrong. You never gave me an AFSC and you NEVER gave me your squadrons.

In fact, your profile on miitary.com is BLANK!

BUSTED AS A LIAR!

GunnyG©
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 2:32 PM EST
Gray Ghost
...We ALL KNOW that Hal is a LIAR and NOW we know that he is part of a GHOST WRITING group paid for by Soros no doubt."

LMAO you lie so well it is very amusing LOL. I use my real name check me out

CharlesLPKY
Thank You! I hope you and the other vets KNOW I meant no disrespect to our Military. Ron’s tax idea is a good one, I would rather see ALL withholding taxes done away with and have ALL taxes collected at point of purchase, for example:

$0.05-$100.00 = 20% tax
$101.00-$1000.00 = 15% tax
$1001.00-$10,000.00 = 10%tax
$10,001 and up = 05% tax

I’m sure this is the real HAL
You can hear the whimpering in his words.

Obama is an idiot scribbles:
Where'd big bro Limbaugh
go for vacation I wonder?

If it's the Domincan Republic again, I hope all the underage boys have been warned to beware of fat greasy american with a suitcase full o' viagra and oxycontin!

And when you travel are all the people in the area warned a massively stupid Gorgon named Medusa is coming?

Charles LPKY
George Soros.

He owns Obama aka Dopey McChange. I covered this extensively on my blog going back to about Jan 2008. I even did an essay tracing his movement through leftist organizations and his connections ala a flowchart.

In fact, Soros aka Soreholes, OWNS the DNC and thus, ACORN, through his Open Borders Institute.

Soreholes has funded the campaigns of Gore, Lurch, and Dopey.

How Dare You
Insult Werewolves

Charles LPKY
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 2:25 PM EST
Gray Ghost
The USAF is the finest air force in the world, period (with no dis-respect meant to the US Marine Air Force)."

LOL Look little ones gunnyg asked for squadrons and AFSC I gave him both but go ahead and attack my service typical of you types...so typical

"...None taken from this Marine...My favorite war plane is the A-10"

You heard what an A-10 simulator was didn't you?

a trash can and the sim operators threw rocks at it

My Dad
was a Naval Aviator Trainee in WW II. Got washed out along with hundreds of others when the War ended before he could complete training.

Gray Ghost
I'm not aware of ANY active military or ex-military conservative who regularly posts here on TownHall who doesn't think Hal Donahue is a pathological liar about his military background. Am I to assume that Hal is the truther while all the rest are the liars? Uh, no.

In fact, all you need to know about Hal Donahue is that he apparently accepts Ranger29's military claims as bona-fide (and if this isn't so, Hal, I dare you to come out and say so - but I'm sure you won't).

I haven't been coming here to TownHall as long as a lot of the military vets you see here, like Georgetwin and GunnyG and Curtal Friar, but I've been coming here long enough to have learned what the conservative ones think of Hal Donahue. And given the complete disdain they have for him - well, if THEY think so, that's good enough for me.

If Hal were considered reasonably truthful by the conservative military vets here, even though he's an ultra-liberal, I would probably at least tip my hat to him for his military service to this country - if that service even actually HAPPENED. But even if I assume just for the sake of argument that it DID, I regard him in the same category as John Murtha and John Kerry: two military veterans who back-stabbed their fellow veterans, and as far as I'm concerned, lost whatever respect I would have otherwise tendered them for their military service.

Hey, remember, before he became a traitor, Benedict Arnold was a hero in the Revolutionary War. But for which period in his military career did he carve his greatest legacy? We all know the answer to THAT one. And Judas was, after all, one of the original 12 apostles. Again, though, what is his greatest legacy to history - the fact that Jesus called him to be with Him, or something else? Hal, Murtha, and Kerry are Judases.

I'd say the Doofass's
ghostwriter is a real ghost. The ghost of Edward Bulwer-Lytton.

ExRCSD Deputy
No problem with the US Naval aviators. I have a nephew at Pensacola in training right now. (Fine young man and a h*ll of a deer hunter).

I also had an uncle who was a US Naval aviator. He was killed in the Korean War. I only met him once; but I was too young to remember him. I wish I had known him better.

He was all Yank
I think he was saying he has no women in his life lol

Hey Guns & Ghost! Let's
have a raffle for the name of the "Pride's" "ghost writer". Geez I bet it would be fun with ALL of his fellow "walkin' eagles" posting their BS here.

willebeaux 2:20pm
There is no telling. It is even possible that the ghost writer is not even an American citizen.

Look at the Ghost Writer's comment saying he was all "Yank". I lived in NY state. A true American Yankee never says "Yank", he always says "Yankee".

Forgive my ignorance Gunny
But what is Soros?

HAK DRUNKAHUE
on SPIN CYCLE!

Your living in the past and look around you. President Obama is having serious vetting problems which are distracting efforts to create jobs and all you do is name call. No mention at all of the fact Iran launched a satellite? WOW These are serious things yet you are enamored with what uniform I wore when LOL

Maybe his Al-Arabiya speech ENCOURAGED THEM!
HAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAA

I'm dedicated to BRINGING DOPEY DOWN! I will do EVERYTHING IN MY POWER to expose this fraud and usurper.

As for his vetting problems...HE DID THIS TO HIMSELF! What an empty suit.

Charles LPKY:
The finest pilots in the world belong to the US Navy. (And don't mention Ranger's IQ'-29. He is no more a pilot than Joke Bidumb is a Constitutional scholar,)

Gray Ghost
No problemo amigo. I had the pleasure of working with some OUTSTANDING AF intel bubbas and bubbettes in Iraq. In fact, my daughter considered the AF before going for the Coasties.

We ALL KNOW that Hal is a LIAR and NOW we know that he is part of a GHOST WRITING group paid for by Soros no doubt.

Hal Drunkahue
"Never mind then but it was vetted."

You mean like Dopey vetted RahmBOY? Gheitner? Dash-hole? Kellifor?

haha. yeah. they THOROUGHLY vetted you!

BWHAHAHHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Gray Ghost
The USAF is the finest air force in the world, period (with no dis-respect meant to the US Marine Air Force).

None taken from this Marine...My favorite war plane is the A-10

Gunny, Check Out the Doofus's...
Ghost Writer:

"No mention at all of the fact Iran launched a satellite? WOW These are serious things yet you are enamored with what uniform I wore when LOL"

Talk about "spinning" and trying to change the subject!

Mr. Doofus Ghost Writer, we know that there are problems in the ME. However, what is Obama going to do about it? Except for the Big Zero apologizing to them, I have yet to hear any concrete plans.

MerryColin
I like it i will pick up some postcards today. I don't think it will do any good, but it is worth a try.

Hey Ghost & Guns! I always
wondered why the "Pride" was able to post such nonsensical, meaningless, inane, mindless drivel. A "ghost writer"? Indeed! Any guesses on who it may be?

Gunny, One Other Thing...
Although I believe that the US Marines are one of the finest group of troops in the world, bar none, the real "Hal Donahue" and the Doofus's Ghost Writer are in no way an example of the USAF.

The USAF is the finest air force in the world, period (with no dis-respect meant to the US Marine Air Force).

IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD
please, please, please SEND A POSTCARD to your Senators. I wrote Rep. Mitchell about SCHIP and the SOB had the audacity to email me a BS form letter along with an admonition against sending letters "due to tightened secrity measures since 9/11" that would delay my correspondence! What they all hope for is emails so they can just grab your email address and hit the delete button. WE CAN DROWN THEM IN PAPER as they have done to us for many generations. Let's see the MSM avoid reporting on millions of postcards arriving at the Senate office building EVERY day until they drop this nonsense! GET YOUR POSTCARDS LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!

ExRCSD Deputy @ 2:13
LOL

Check out myspace
http://www.myspace.com/charliejodon

GunnyG©
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 2:02 PM EST
Hal..."Hey that is good at least you guys are not damaging the country further."
...Yeah, when A-Q, that Dopey pandered to with his Al-Arabiya speech, nuke NYC, Dopey can send out detectives to detect them in, say, Yemen, and then ask for the Yemenis to arrest them. Just like BJ Bubba did in 2000 after the USS Cole attack."

Your living in the past and look around you. President Obama is having serious vetting problems which are distracting efforts to create jobs and all you do is name call. No mention at all of the fact Iran launched a satellite? WOW These are serious things yet you are enamored with what uniform I wore when LOL

AL writes:
RON IN PA
It's almost like you're comparing Obama to Satan...Give in a little and go stright to hell!

Doesn't Satan get enough insults w/o being compared to Obumbler.

Gunny, This Has Been...
bothering me for over a year. I am so glad that we now know the truth. "Hal Donahue" has a "ghost writer".

There were so many things that Doofus said that I knew weren't true. I thought that perhaps my being a "short timer" was the problem. That perhaps I didn't have the experience in the service that men like you and so many others had. But I knew enough about the USAF to know that there were too many lies and half-truths coming from the Doofus.

Now we know the truth. "Hal Donahue" uses a "ghost writer".

RON IN PA
It's almost like you're comparing Obama to Satan...Give in a little and go stright to hell!

Hey Guns! The
"Pride of Scranton, PA" is jealous that you, a Non-com, has made a success of your life whereas all he has to show is an empty meaningless bio that he won't elaborate on for the fear of being exposed as a phony.
I'll take an ole gunny as my example any day over a phony like the "Pride".
Keep a kicking Gunny

IDEA
Ignore the @$$holes, they are just wanting the attention.

We have seen that Federal Government spending does not work with the Bush administration so Government spending under the Obama administration will not work either.

So what is it going to take to get the Our Great Nation back on the right track? Are there any new ideas that we can try to save the USA?

Mr. Doofus Ghost Writer....
You really should study more of the US military's rules and regulations.

You should also keep better informed with the real "Hal Donahue".

The Doofass scribbles:
ExRCSD Deputy
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 1:47 PM EST
Doofass:
Why should I believe you HuffPuke bio, it like the one on the DNC site is pure Bravo Sierra. Besides why should I infect my laptop with HuffPuke diseases?"

Never mind then but it was vetted.

By whom, Barney Fife or Roscoe P. Coltrane or yoou or any combination of the three or all three? The web master only inputs the data he/she is given. You give him/her lies, you get lies.

Gunny, We Got Him....
The real "Hal Donahue" is not on this thread.

We have the Doofus's Ghost Writer.

This Must Be the Ghost Writer....
the real "Hal Donahue" knows I never said South Carolina. I merely said a "Southern Pilot".

Caught you again Mr. Ghost Writer.

Ron
Are you still here?
I would like to hear more about your tax idea

Hal Drunkahue
"Hey that is good at least you guys are not damaging the country further."

HAHAHAHAHA!

Yeah, when A-Q, that Dopey pandered to with his Al-Arabiya speech, nuke NYC, Dopey can send out detectives to detect them in, say, Yemen, and then ask for the Yemenis to arrest them. Just like BJ Bubba did in 2000 after the USS Cole attack.

Whatever happened to those terrorists?

Oh yeah, they "escaped" a few days later.

Tell the Truth Doofus, Or Is This the...
ghost writer?

And I never said South Carolina.

Come On Doofus
Everyone is waiting.

Admit the truth Doofus.

Gray Ghost ahh I understand
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 1:55 PM EST
The Truth Doofus
Just tell the truth."

You feel left out because you told lies too and I failed to mention that. Ahhhhh poor little man. Ok, OK you were telling a tale about some pilot in SC and on and on who claimed I was an admin officer etc.. There you go I pointed out your lie too. Happier now? LMAO

If You Want To Get the Real...
"Hal Donahue" on line, we understand.

Just admit the truth Doofus.

Doofus, It Is Now or Never...
Tell the truth. You have "ghost writers". That is who we are "talking" to now.

You are a "ghost writer" and not the real "Hal Donahue". Admit it.

ExRCSD Deputy
"Date: Feb 3, 2009 - 1:47 PM EST
Doofass:
Why should I believe you HuffPuke bio, it like the one on the DNC site is pure Bravo Sierra. Besides why should I infect my laptop with HuffPuke diseases?"

Never mind then but it was vetted

The Truth Doofus
Just tell the truth.

Hal Drunkahue
"I love it gunnyg, the NCO who thought the best description of an NCO was middle manager rather than leader of men..."

MY profile is there on military.com AND there are a few here who know me and have seen it. YOUR profile is as empty as your head! haha.

And if your remember, I said an NCO and a SNCO are many things, not just a leader and THAT includes management.

In fact, if you can get your one brain cell spun up, you'd remember that I referred to the USMC Fitness Report for Sgts and above that has a block, Economy of Rsources that is FOR HOW YOU MANAGE YOUR ASSETS! The NCO and SNCO's are: leaders, managers, mentors, a**kickers, administrators, Mom and Dad, etc.

Put on your RAF surplus flight suit twits and run around the room with your arms out! THAT is as close to flying as YOU'LL ever get!