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Tuesday, December 30, 2008
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
Biden's Bogus Feud with Cheney
by David Limbaugh
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If Vice President-elect Joe Biden were slightly less enamored with his own voice he might not confuse himself so often on issues that matter so much, such as his views of presidential and vice presidential authority.

We've all heard about Biden's feud with Vice President Dick Cheney over Cheney's supposed view of executive authority relative to the other branches of government and Cheney's view of the vice president's role.

These happen to be two separate issues. Whether the president encroaches on the constitutional authority of the other branches is a different issue from whether the vice president oversteps his bounds inside the executive branch, or in his limited role in the legislative branch.

The problem is that Biden conflates these issues. He can't seem to keep straight whether he's exercised about an overreaching executive branch or an overreaching vice president mostly inside that branch.

My guess is that he confuses the two issues because, like other Democrats and liberals, he sees Cheney as the real villain in both cases. He blames Cheney, Bush's presumed puppet master, for Bush's alleged executive power grabs and he blames Cheney for overstepping his bounds as vice president.

Let's try to look at these issues separately, even though the players, in this case, overlap.

Reasonable people can disagree whether President Bush acted outside his scope of executive authority in various aspects of prosecuting the war on terror, such as in his handling of the NSA terrorist surveillance program. I believe history will soundly vindicate him, showing that he did consult and obtain the tacit approval of Congress on most of these matters. Moreover, the Constitution designates the president as commander in chief, never intending that wars be prosecuted by congressional committee.

How about Biden's claim that Cheney has arrogated too much power as VP?

In the vice presidential debate with Sarah Palin, Biden famously said, "Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we've had probably in American history. The idea he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that's the executive branch. He works in the executive branch. He should understand that."

Biden can be forgiven for misidentifying the correct Article -- Article II covers the executive branch. But is there validity in his assertion that Cheney has been the most dangerous VP?

In a recent interview with Larry King, Biden said Cheney believes the vice president is part of the legislative branch in order "to aggrandize the power of a unitary executive."

Excuse me, Joe, but what has Cheney ever said -- even in his responses to your ridiculous allegations -- to support your charge that he believes the VP should leverage his limited role in the legislative branch to expand the power of the executive branch?

How about Biden's reference to a "unitary executive"?

This is nothing new, but happens to be the recycling of a recurring, mythical Democrat talking point. During Judge Samuel Alito's Senate confirmation hearings Democrats accused Alito of supporting the notion of a "unitary executive," and that, if confirmed, he would vote to validate President Bush's alleged efforts to consolidate government authority in the executive branch.

If Judiciary Committee Democrats had been paying attention to Alito's testimony instead of posturing for the TV cameras, they might have learned that the idea of a unitary executive has nothing to do with the scope of the executive power vis-a-vis the other two branches. It means only that the president shall be in ultimate control of the executive branch.

Isn't this precisely what the Democrats have been demanding? Haven't they been saying that Vice President Cheney has had too much control over the executive branch and that the sole authority over that branch should reside with the president?

But in truth, their claim is absurd on its face, despite its mindless repetition by the liberal media. Cheney, by definition, could have no more authority than Bush delegated to him. As far as I'm aware, Democrats have cited no examples of President Bush delegating non-delegable powers to Cheney nor of Cheney exercising final authority over executive branch matters. In this administration, the buck always stopped with President Bush.

Democrats may not like it that Bush made Cheney a key policy adviser, but there's no constitutional violation there. Indeed, in the Larry King interview Biden said that in exchange for accepting the VP nomination he told Obama, "I want to be there when you make every critical decision you make."

So there you have it. Biden not only favors a unitary executive, he insists on having a critical advisory role in the Obama administration.

If you believe Biden and his fellow Democrats really object to expansive executive power in principle -- as opposed to just when Republicans occupy the White House -- just wait for the Obama regime.

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Well David,
When the only thing you've got to get people to notice you is to publicly and repeatedly make a fool of yourself, Joe Biden has NO competition.

Well, on second thought Biden has competition from Wobbie our fearless and abulous man of a thousand(imaginary) careers.

See what I mean?
Mention Wobbie's name and his penchant for making a fool of himself, and there he is, as if by magic.
but that idiocy he posted willk be gone in a matter of hours.

And by 0800
we'll be able to say, "Good Riddance" to Robert's inanity, insanity, and idiocy.

The good news is that tomorrow morning
Idiot29's posts will be gone.

Goooone!
We should be so lucky. I've seen people ask--on threads I'm not signed onto--why Obama chose Biden? I think he's the only one who would take the job. They could see the writing on the wall and wanted no part of it. Saying if it (BO) would come down to it he would have to side with the muslems scared everybody else off.
It certainly frightens me.

Biden's so irrelevant
that Wobbie gets more attention than he does which has got to be an all time low.

What a pair of pathetic losers, neither one of them could shine Cheney's shoes.

And now Ladies and Gentlemen
I give you the new V.P. Joe Biden...Mr. Biden...Um,thank you,four score and seven years ago I had a dream that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself, so I asked myself not what the country could do for me but what I could do for my country afterall the buck stops here. So in closing I would like to say an old politician never dies he just fades away. You like me you really do! Thank you.

Joe "gaffemaster" Biden
What a fool, Does he have to copy EVERYTHING?
He plagerizes and now bashes the man he wants to emulate...I guess he doesn't have an original thought in his head....We should have served him up for Thanksgiving dinner...the turkey

David, you're 100% correct -
"If Judiciary Committee Democrats had been paying attention to Alito's testimony instead of posturing for the TV cameras"....that's all they all (and I mean Pubs and Rats)do and waste our time and money.

Biden is a jerk - but he will provide entertainment if nothing else. My bet is he won't last the whole term because it's going to take too much of BO's time to run interference for his mouth.

biden the veep

Having schmoe biden as the vice president is like putting screen doors on submarines.....useless, pointless, and absurd.

Re: Hair club for Men!!!
Look, Socialist Joe is the last person to say something to Mr. Chaney, if anything should be said it should be I am Sorry for the comment I made about your family!!! Socialist Joe is a worthless as breasts on bore hog!!!

In two
months Hussein & Rattle(Biden) will be at each others throats.

Rattle wil be rattling his dentures(fueled by his falling hair plugs) and telling Hussey just what he should be doing.

I can hardly wait!

MORE PLUGS BIDEN
His gaffes are a hoot!

I for one CANNOT WAIT until Odumbo the Jug Eared Clown(c) sends him hither and yon and he actually speaks to leaders in different countries!

In other news, a WELL-RESEARCHED essay on The Anti Liberal Zone (click on my name to check it out) on the FOO or Friends of Odumbo (behind the scenes). Hint: They're ALL fellow travelers.

Another NeoCon trying to justify
Cheney did more to destroy the idea of three branches of government that ensures checks and balances. He believes that the Presidency is more like a dictator than the leader of a democracy. He fells that they have the right to decide what is a national security threat, therefore that gives them the right to lie and deceive the public and the Congress for the good of the country. That basically gives the executive branch total authority to do what they want. There are claims of abuses under the Patriot Act, I know of one horrible abuse myself, that resulted in someone committing suicide. A wise forefather said something like those who sacrafice a little liberty for security wind up with neither. Cheney and Bush should be investigated and brought to trial if that is what the facts bear out. We need to preserve our democracy, when you give up some of your rights, the powers will never give them back, there will always be terrorists. There were terrorists from the first day of our country, and will be to the last day of our country.

The critical mistake
This all is being portrayed as a dust up between Biden and Cheney. Tbe VP was just responding to a question from Chris Wallace regarding Biden's comment during the pre election debate.
The mistake is that, most of what Biden ,the Democratic party plus their hacks in the msm have said in the last eight years has been presented only for effect. None of it was believed by those saying it. It was only presented to discredit George Bush and his administration.
You will find that in the real foreign relations and military issues, their response will be very much the same as done by the present administration. Granted the Dems would not have had the vision to go into Iraq or possibly Afgahnistan but since we are there, they won't substantially change the approach since it is working. The Patriot Act will also be more palatable now that they are in charge.
Biden especially says thing for effect not as a true issue for debate. Much of what he has said over the last several years has been so inaccurate that most of the discussion has been to correct the statement rather than debate the issue.

Debate as well as true reprting has died in the last several years. Instead of debating issues the msm has presented only side issues and irrelevant issues. The statements from the Dem's particulary have been bumper sticker slogans not real ideas.
Even Caroline Kennedy reacted to this when asked what she was doing when she decided to run for the NY senate seat rather than being asked what she thinks she can do in the position or what she thinks the position entails.

LD 35
I'm not sure of that. Biden probably still sees Odumbo as a clean, articulate, negro.

http://noliberalspin.blogtownhall.com/2008/12/30/know_your_ enemy-the_friends_of_obama_behind_the_scenes.thtml

The Anti Liberal Zone. Battering the scum-lapping leftists on a daily basis.

NO! NO HE CAN'T!!!

"Biden can be forgiven for misidentifying the correct Article -- Article II covers the executive branch."

NO HE CAN'T!!!

Perhaps "we" could be forgiven. But I'm betting the majority of us... at least Conservatives, knew (we already know how ill and uninformed the dumbs are who voted FOR Bozo!)

But, not only is Bonehead Biden a lawyer, he's an adjunct law prof, and TEACHES CONSTITUTIONAL LAW!!!

There IS NO forgiving or overlooking that!

And regarding Bonehead Biden's accusation that Cheney has "... aggrandize the power..."

Any thinking, rational, reasonable, semi-educated person has seen how the demo party has, at every opportunity, tried to aggrandize power over the American people.

IF anyone can be categorized as "dangerous" it's Marxist Bozo Obama, Bonehead Biden, and the entire Marxist liberal party!


Steve
"Cheney and Bush should be investigated and brought to trial if that is what the facts bear out."

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Congress and the Senate have to approve this?

Didn't 90% of the liberals in those "esteemed" bodies voted YES for the P.A.?

BenjaminBarker
HAHA! Good post.

Old liberals never die, they just "Carterize!"

Steve from Florida
Please site what VP Cheney has done to "destroy" the system of checks and balance in our government. The executive branch does have every right to decide what is a national security threat and react to that threat. You and the other "progressives" seem to forget that the Congress approved both our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Of course Democrats, to soothe their base, now try to claim that they were lied to about the rational. I would appeal to you to look at the record of what the Clinton Administration said about Iraq but that would be giving you credit for having intelligence.

Steve: Oh pa-lease!
"Cheney did more to destroy the idea of three branches of government that ensures checks and balances."

HOW??


"He believes that the Presidency is more like a dictator than the leader of a democracy."

That delusion is based on what???

"He fells that they have the right to decide what is a national security threat, therefore that gives them the right to lie and deceive the public and the Congress for the good of the country."

Another delusion is based on what???


"That basically gives the executive branch total authority to do what they want."

No way! Another delusion!


"There are claims of abuses under the Patriot Act, I know of one horrible abuse myself,..."

You do? What was the abuse? Prove it!

"A wise forefather said something like those who sacrafice a little liberty for security wind up with neither."

The Patriot Act provided for tapping of phone callss OVERSEAS TO/FROM KNOWN TERRORIST NUMBERS.
No one was tapping your calls to and from your mommie...


"Cheney and Bush should be investigated and brought to trial if that is what the facts bear out."

That, of course, would mean bringing CONGRESS to trail since Congress VOTED to extend the Patriot Act.


"We need to preserve our democracy, when you give up some of your rights, the powers will never give them back,..."

You're right! And that's why anyone with two functioning brain cells is very concerned about Marxist Obama's agenda.

"... there will always be terrorists. There were terrorists from the first day of our country, and will be to the last day of our country."

Whaaaaaat? Was there a point to that last sentence? Or perhaps you're suggesting that we just throw up our arms and give up?

Oh and btw, you weren't one of those people who, two weeks after 9-11 was screeching, "What did Pres. Bush know, and when did he know it? were you???

Drew from Virginia
Thank you for your reply and challenge to Steve. You saved me a lot of typing. I now will await Steve's reply and the cites you request. And I will continue at a rate of 15-20 respirations per minute.

Anne
"... there will always be terrorists. There were terrorists from the first day of our country, and will be to the last day of our country."

Anne, that's liberalism for ya. Just bend over when the going gets tough if cutting and running can't accomplish the retreat. Liberals have been doing the BOHICA thing since they became Tories in 1776!

Test
This is test

Shrinque:
Hell will freeze over, and Satan will skate on the ice before Steve gives the cites Drew asked for.

Listening In
Steve from Florida recites lefty talking points without citation to pesky things like facts.

The left seems to envision Cheney as being preoccupied with there private lives, sitting in a room trying to find a way to take away their rights. In reality Bush and Cheney must spend an enormous amount of time and energy on just the Iraq and Afganistan situations.
My favorite through the last few years is the accusation that 'the Bush Administration is monitoring domestic phone calls'
Of course this flies in the face of logic and common sense. (You can not be a lefty without the total lack of these two traits.) How many people would it take to listen in on even 10% of all calls made in the US in one day? How many audio storage devices would have to be involved? How many people would it take to then process this overwhelming amount of information? Who is the person that can stay awake listening to endless hours of small talk about groceries and family gossip?
Just a few things to consider when a lefty spouts of about there oh so precious phone calls being listened to.

Steve this is correct
He fells that they have the right to decide what is a national security threat,...

It is the executive branch of governments job to determine what is a national security threat.

Back in 2002 congress passed Public law 107-243 to reafirm that responsibility as that of the executive. Further affirmation of this principle is to recall who carried the nuclear football. I can give you a hint it wasnt the house committee on defense spending.

GunnyG
When "the One" is giving a rehearsed speech, Biden appears to me he wants to open his jaws.

I don't think Biden can keep from causing trouble....somewhere...sometime.

I also think Michelle rules the roost at their home.



Joe Who?
By the end of the first year of the Obama administration we will have to rack our brains to remember just who is the Vice President.

NastyZ, ExRSCD, K-9 early on today
Yes, by the time I get up (0600 MT), much less get to my computer, Robbie is gone. I sometimes wonder what he has presented, but I know that it is not worth reading. On the weekends, I just glance at the overflowing of his non-thinking. There are others who post here, wanting to educate the thoughtful people but are not as nauseous as he, whose posts I simply glance at.
Let the people who are truly concerned by the state of our nation not be like filing cabinets, which can store much information but are incapable of putting it together in a sensible manner.
Let us not be like the people who will pounce upon a passage of the Bible that seems to support their positions, but refuse to consider other passages that are related to the matter.

Senator Biden
Many years ago, I heard some good advice: be sure that your brain is engaged before opening your mouth.

Anne
Thanks for saving us a lot of time. Steve just mindlessly repeats the left's talking points. It is just a shame we don't have a MSM that refutes nonsense. The MSM just accepts all nonsense from liberal politicians and talking heads as gospel.

GunnyG
Agreed on BenjaminBarker. Very clever.

Loss of our liberties
It would be okay with me if the feds monitored ALL of my phone conversations as long as they would sign a waiver relieving me of responsiblity in case the Federal Listener were to be bored to death. Otherwise I could see some overzealous trial lawyer bringing a million-dollar wrongful-death action against me.

But the Liberals DO love to complain about loss of our rights, especially all that phone-call monitoring--and what about that library book spying???? I have one liberal friend, a librarian, who HATED Sarah Palin because of all her OUTRAGEOUS book banning attempts up in Alaska. Sheesh!

Anyway, I've heard that Barack is going to keep in place all the powers that Bush has worked to effectuate. The New York Times and NPR will approve, because in Barack's case it's all for flexibility, not for unfettered power like BUSH used it.

Anne & GunnyG
Let me add that the use of the word "NEOCON" means with near 100% certainty, that the analysis to follow will be found lacking. In fact, I expect it to be emotional, juvenile talking points, and I am rarely disappointed.

It's Legend
To summon the legend of the Constitution in rhetoric or when it serves your agenda is like calling on Davey Crockett, Daniel Boone, or George Washington to fix problems or adding to the 130,000 plus pages of regulations regulating the free market in order to fix it.

The people in our government are clearly going to do what they want to do when they want to do it no matter how much it costs, what liberties it tramps on, how many people it kills, or how illegal it is.

http://ewebsmith.com/gov/republicanism.html

Drew
Well said. I like to ask my liberal acquaintances and the deranged liberals that visit this sight, if the left was lied to, how do you explain the letter sent to Clinton in 1998 from democrat leaders, urging Clinton to take all necessary steps to take care of the Saddam/Iraq threat-including military intervention. Did Saddam become less threatening in the following years?

The explanation, as we know, is that history begins anew every morning if you're a liberal. This is why they hate talk radio so much. In the past, the MSM would echo the left's nonsense, with no critical analysis of their lies. Now we have Talk Radio and the internet and the left stomps their collective feet like children because they don't like being challenged or being held accountable for their words and actions.

However, there is still a wide disparity in what gets out to the general public. Sarah Palin wasn't the greatest candidate, but she is a great example. Biden was not a good candidate and was a total buffoon on the campaign trail and in his history in Congress-if the MSM was willing to look. Unfortunately, what is the general view of these two: Palin unqualified, stupid. Biden a statesman. Ridiculous.

Cookie:
You forgot anti-Semitic as a descriptor of talking points.

Drew
Let me add one more ridiculous thing, yet the left seemed to make it work-with the help of course, of the MSM. I couldn't believe the left had the gall to emphasize the lack of experience of the NUMBER 2 on the Republican ticket. Certainly this would backfire since this would naturally shine a light on the great lack of experience of the TOP OF THEIR TICKET. Surely the MSM couldn't ignore this delicious irony. Why was I surprised again that the MSM dutifully carried the water for the left on this topic and ignored the elephant in the room, Obama's experience being even less than Palin's.

Cookie
Swing by my blog (click on my name) for an essay yesterday of a lot of the coverage and smoke screens for Odumbo the Jug Eared Clown by the MSM.

One of my posters brought up the point that the MSM investigated Palin far more than Odumbo and his ties to Blago, Daley, Soros, and Ayers (and crew).

Look in the rule book.

Article 1, Section 3 Says

No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the age of thirty years, and been nine years a citizen of the United States and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state for which he shall be chosen.

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no vote, unless they be equally divided.

The Senate shall choose their other officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the office of President of the United States.

=============

It’s a different subject, but read that first paragraph, and make sense out of it. You must really twist you head, to determine that any Senator was ever elected, “… … who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state for which he shall be chosen.”

I know that if you use your imagination and some double negatives, it might make sense, but why not admen this to read as it should? And by the way, for those of you who say “read the whole sentence,” I remind you to so the same when you read the First and Second Addition to the Constitution. (They add, they do not amend anything.)

The second para says the VP is President of the Senate. Now what is a President of anything, he is the one in charge. His duties can not be ignored or changed on a whim. For as long as I can remember, I have been waiting for a VP of any party who has the guts to arrive in the Senate chamber at any moment, tell the clown in the chair to get up and go, because Your President has arrived.

The third para says that the Senate shall chose THEIR OTHER OFFICERS, and a pro tempore, who sits there during the absent of the VP

The fact that the Senate wrote their own rules, do no override the rules in the Constitution, the VP is still in charge of the Senate, and I hope sometime he is reminded of that. Even OBiden.

Third Eye
By the second year of the Odumbo mess, we'll be hard-pressed to find anyone who will ADMIT to voting for the clown.

THIS JUST IN!
Liberal busted for child porn.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2008/dec/23/1m23porn 01354-veteran-admits-acquiring-child-porn/?zIndex=26832

Oh yeah, he defended Hanoi John Fonda Kerry against the Swfities!

What IS IT with libs and perversion? Sophie?

Can you
imagine the uproar in the DMSM if Palin had said that FDR had gone on TV in 1929 to reassure the nation that the government would take care of them during the Depression/

ExRCSD Deputy
Or if Palin had said that she visited 51 states and had seven more to go! haha

I swear, Soros' puppet Odumbo is gonna be a total flop but he'll set the Dummycrat's back 50 years.

barack "can't I just eat my waffles" odumbo! The lib's next POTUS.

ExRC
Agreed. However, the factless Steve, used neocon in reference to Cheney, a non-jew. So, though neocon certainly started as an anti-semetic label thinly disguised, it has morphed into a slur against any Conservative the left detests.

Or if Palin
had said that the duties of VPOTUS are listed in Article I instead of Article II of the Constitution.

posters above like the woman "anne"
should just pack up all their bitterness in their old kit bag and swiftly depart the republican party and join a movement more suited for social conservatives.

At is stands we do not need or require people of her ilk and mannerism in the new GOP.

Let Anne go and being in a new party of know nothings with Sarah Palinas its new leader and savior.

Perhaps then the rest of rational members of the loyal opposition can get things done without the tiresome meddling of the social conservative and clearly unhinged part of our once great party.

Anne I encorage you to leave the GOP and take all your ditto had friends with you. You were no help during the elction with your inane reasoning and you are even less help now.

Part of rebuilding is facing and admitting mistakes. Until the GOP realizes that people like you will continue to say the same stupid things over and over again.

I have always thought that the idea of biden being a gaff machine is one of the first Right wing media myths. Just because you don't like or agree with what a person says does not mean it is a "gaffe." And if we critically look at the last for years you will see the unfortunate trend that Biden was indeed more right and substantive than Cheney who remains to this day a "Rumsfeld-man." How Cheney can continue to endorse the man who mismanged the war is a testement to his loyalty and ignorance all at the same time.

A fitting and frightening for the current GOP.

These are sad time but not because of Obama; we only have ourselves to blame.

Oh boy...
Steve's post is a prime example of people who feel too much and think too little. No wonder he is so easily misled by the media.

Cookie
But to us Conservatives, NEOCON means a liberal-lite, a RINO, and someone to be booted from our midst!

The idiots on the left cannot even get THAT right.

Frank
What a post of pure sh*t.

You're a Republican like I'm gonna fly the next
shuttle mission. I LOVE how you RINOs tell us Conservatives how to build our party after you idiots got your A**ES handed to you by the libstains in 2006 and then in nov 2008 after the biggest RINO, Juan McShamnesty was drubbed by a back bench snot nosed punk from the cesspool of Crook County.

What the GOP needs is a through PURGING of half-steppers and liberal-lites like YOU!

I'll take Palin ANY DAY, with her PROVEN ability to manage local and state governments with executive experience vice 40 years bloviating in the Senate.

PALIN/JINDAL 2012. The Libs and RINOs NIGHTMARE!

GunnyG
I read your link about the biggest supporters of John Kerry being arrested for having child porn. What got me was the fact he was a lawyer and didn't realize that what he was doing was against the law. Yea right!! BTW I noticed that it was from the San Diego Union Tribune. they have one of the best political cartoonists I've ever read next to Carl Moore.


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Third Eye writes
"By the end of the first year of the Obama administration we will have to rack our brains to remember just who is the Vice President.

A little story to back that up. A friend of mine was standing in line at a bank when he overheard two woman bashing President Bush and talking about how they couldn't wait for Obama to be inaugurated. Anyway my friend turned around and asked them "What do you think of Joe Biden"? Anyway neither one of them had a clue who he was. I rolled on the floor laughing.
I think about 90% of the people who voted for Obama didn't realize that Biden had to drop out of the Presidential race in 88 for charges of plagerism. But the MSM conviently didn't report that.

Gunnyg
Just read some of your blog. What hit me right in the face that I hadn't thought of is the disparity in treatment between Gingrich and Rangel. Newt was basically accused of characterizing a class as non-partisan rather than partisan which had some tax implications. Newt actually had legal counsel beforehand that supported his characterization. Yet the vicious pack of liberal wolves in the House demanded his head on a platter (let's not even talk about Gephardt getting away with a slap for something similar but more aggregious). The MSM gleefully joined in asking for Newt's head on a platter.

Let's compare that to the coverage Rangel is getting. Certainly as high a profile as Gingrich. Certainly his transgressions are blatant and more aggregious. Where is the MSM??? More importantly, where are the pussies running the Republican party, especially those in the House? I want this guy hounded and fined like Gingrich!

Frank
What are you, 15 years old? Biden has consistently said some of the dumbest things over the years, not just during this campaign. Not just things I/we disagree with but things said that are easily proven wrong. The great fun in it is that he makes these ridiculous statements in such a commanding, condescending, know-it-all way. The "gaffe machine" label is very fitting. Not to mention that little plagiarism incident...

sheepdog
Yeah, he used the Peter Townsend defense, "I was doing research." yeah right.

If so, why not go to the FBI's building and conduct it THERE?

Another lying liberal. He lied about Hanoi John Fonda Kerry in Vietnam and he lied now.

Like a good prosecutor or investigator says, "Were you lying then or are you lying now!" haha

Liberals, once again proving that rocks have a higher IQ than they do.

get lost gunny
been seeing your worthless posts about.

See Gunny is typical of the social conservative as they only raise their cowardly REMF backsides when fight's already over and if somebody says something about abortion or gays or immigrants. When it came to theconomy they were to busy listening to Rush lie to them and repeat talking points about how strong the economy is.

You social conservatives are failures and of course your limbaugh stollen template are to blame everybody else but yourselves

You can always count on these guys to start their screaming and they all start with the same Rush Limbaugh inspired attack you're a rino blah blah. I bet this Gunny fool is one of Rush's biggest fans. You can always spot a ditto head these days-its the guy with the pointy head and confused look.

Where were they when their compassionate conservative Bush handed the country over to the socialists with the bailouts? They caved like the straw men they are. They would rather whine about the bible than actually fight the fight that would have saved this coutry from leftist-socialist economic policies. And watch now Gunny will typically say Bush is no reall conservative based on one of the many tiresome litmus tests you social cons seem to cling to like your failed strategies for winning in 06 and 08.

Well i hope you idiots are happy. You can continue to fight against immigration and gays while the rest of pull our faces out of our bibles and get back to the job of fixing this country.

I am suggesting that all of you social conservatives get out of the GOP and start your own party. Get out we don't need you or stupid comments. You are a dinosuar destined to fossilize before your time if you haven't already.

Go Start the American Conservative party. Bye

Cookie
Believe me, if I could get a rich Conservative to fund my campaign and I got elected, I'd give the Politboro, oops, the Kongress, a high powered enema. I'd out every scumbag there, on TV, Radio, etc.

All of that double standard sh*t would be out the window. I'd be their worst frigging nightmare.

Frank
Ditto GunnyG

It is the old democrats like Frank that think they can reshape the GOP into a duplicate version of the Democrat Party. FRANK YOU ARE THE DEFINITION OF A NEOCON.

Social Conservatives ARE the Republican Party.
Sarah Palin IS the consumate Republican Conservative.

So Frank, Joe Biden's gaffs are conservatives way of disagreeing? Perhaps you should visit GunnyG's blog for an education. Go to Page 6 and read "Best Gaffs of Biden"

third eye
oh so now the neocons are the bad guys? You idiot withoutthe neocons you'd be speaking Arabic you moron. If Bush had listen to weak sisters like you the terrorists would be winning but that god he didn't.

Go put on your Berkah and pray to mecca.

Social conservatives NEED TO GET OUT NOW!!!! GO START THE NEW AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE PARTY!!!

See? I even gave you morons a good name. Now get to work.

Frank
Thanks for the good laugh. Now head back to the Daily Kooks for more talking points.

BTW, the RNC is giving Bush a drubbing, calling his policies "SOCIALIST!"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/30/rnc-pushes- unprecedented-criticism-of-bailouts/

BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Something WE HERE have been saying for YEARS!

Like I said, you're a Republican like I'm flying the next shuttle mission. You wouldn't know what REAL Conservatism was if it bit you in your liberal butt.

Third Eye
Forgot about that post. Thanks for bringing it up but Frank the liberal would NEVER read that as it challenges his narrow mind and Daily Kooks talking points on Gaffes Biden.

I can't WAIT for biden to take over. It'll be like a 10 y.o. taking over for an adult.

Libs kill me when they mewl about Cheney being in a bunker somewhere TOTALLY oblivious to the fact that FDR's Veep, Truman, had NO IDEA of the stuff that FDR was doing when he died, i.e., Manhattan Project.

The river of denial on the left is far deeper than their IQ pool, that much is certain.

Well, with
Sophie and Frank here, the thread will go to hell in a hurry.

I'm over the Target
Frank- YES the neocons are the bad guys. They are the liberal lites that changed parties when the hard left gained power in the democrat party. That was around the time of Reagan.
Some hints: Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George W. Bush are not neocons (new conservatives by definition) based on the fact that they have ALWAYS been Republican and Conservative.

George Bush and his 'compassionate conservatism' attempt to reach out to the neocons has been a failure because the neocons don't want a 'place' at the table, they want to BE the table.

Frank
As to Conservatives leaving the Republican Party and forming a new Party?
THIS IS OUR PARTY!
Communists like you are not welcome.
Go back to the anti-American Democrats where you belong!


Frank
Do you have a clue about what a NEOCON is? They were once flaming libs that converted to Conservatism.

The trouble is, is that a Conservatism is a LIFESTYLE not a label. Powell is a NEOCON and he jumped the shark for Odumbo. Bush is a NEOCON and he signed away billions of OUR money to the UAW with the stroke of a pen, even though WE DID NOT WANT IT DONE.

If there WAS an American Conservative Party, populated by real Conservatives, touting conservative values like low taxes, small government, strong military, RTKBA, etc, the GOP would fold like a cheap suit...or join the party of the empty suit, that is, your party, the Odumbo the Jug Eared Clown Party, hereafter referred to as OtJECP.

Frank
It is you who needs to get out and go quietly into the sunset with your Dem-lite friends. You aren't exactly a bastion of intellect when you post pure horse **** replete with misspellings and a lack of knowledge of what the definition of 'gaffe' is.

Trouble is even the Dems won't take you because they care about social issues as well. Abortion rights, no matter what side you argue from, are a social issue. That is one example among many.

At lastly ignoramus, fiscal issues stem from social issues which stem from morality. Connect the dots goober. Are entitlements moral or immoral? At what point does the moral become immoral?

People like you have difficulty seeing beyond the end of your nose and cannot recognize the fabric of society that you are dressed in.

Social issues are inextricably intertwined in the politics of both parties, so good luck in your wilderness land alone.

myopine-another idiot
Get out of the GOP. We don't need or want people like you here.

Perhaps you could join the democrats and lower their collective IQ for awhile?

Take gunny and as many social conservatives as you can with you.

The NEw American Conservative party.

All Gunny needs tis somebody elses money to spend WHICH IS TYPICAL OF YOU SOCIAL CONS-ALWAYS SPENDING SOMEBODY ELSES MONEY ON YOUR FAITH BASED NON-SENSE.

ITS TIME FOR YOU DITTO HEAD MORONS TO GO! SCRAM! SHOO! FLY AWAY AND BE FREE!

Third Eye
BINGO!

I called it back in 2001 and can produce witnesses if need be, that Bush's FIRST JOB should have been to fire EVERY CLINTON APPOINTEE. They stabbed him in the back just like they'll do to Odumbo the Jug Eared Clown.

They owed him no allegiance and it showed from day one. If Bush has a weakness, it was that he trusted libvermin to do what is best for the nation and he was WRONG! They only care about getting back into power.

Sophie
How is must gall you that I have more executive experience than the toad you voted for! While he was busy getting petitions signed, I was in charge of a 7M budget and over 200 pieces of crypto/COMSEC gear!

Frank
You lower the collective IQ of any group you join by at least 10000 points.

yeah lolo
you are so right! that why you moral social conservatives sat on your hands and let Bush hand out billions of dollars.

I wonder how that is tied to your so called morality?

Or your endorsement of a candiate who's children are are HAVING CHILDREN OUT OF WEDLOCK?

Yeah, I think we're done with the likes of you.

I think the last we thing we need are lectures from social conservative who gave up the ghost when it came time to call their compassionate conservative POTUS on the rug.

I think its pretty clear you have nothing to say as your post was one big moral generality which is typical of you social cons always whining about your bibles.

If you had a shred a credibility then at leat what you wrote would have been funny-as it stands its just pathetic.

Good stuff
Unfortunately, this type of commentary is never seen in the mainstream media. I would add that Cheney's recent interview with Chris Wallace was far more enlightening and important than Biden's with Larry King. He outlined how decisions in the Bush administration were based on legal precedent, not just created from thin air. He detailed how congressional leaders were informed about wiretaps. Biden just blew uninformed hot air.

Frank
I see you are a typical Communist.
You have no intellect or points to debate so you resort to childish name calling.

The GOP is the Conservative Party.
People like you who hate America belong in the Democrat Party.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.
For the traitor appears not a traitor - he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear."
Marcus Tullius Cicero, 42 BC


Frank
What were you doing while Bush "Handed out" all that money?
What were YOU doing that gives YOU the right to criticize ANYONE?
You are a TRAITOR to the principles of Democracy!
Go back to CodePink where you belong.

ColoMike
What is even funnier is that Odumbo gets elected by bashing all of Bush's policies and then starts out following them! Only liberals can be fooled that easy!

http://noliberalspin.blogtownhall.com/2008/12/29/the_media_ bias_for_obamabefore_and_after.thtml

A list of the pablum pushed about Odumbo. Did he even handle ONE hardball question from the leftists?

No, he booted those three reporters who had the TEMERITY to question the messiah from Odumbo Force One!

Sophie
You still mad that you could not handle the heat of the Anti Liberal Zone?

Is there NOTHING so sad as unrequited love?

Thank GOD you don't know where I live or work or no doubt you'd be lurking and skulking behind every bush, stalking me.

Frank
If conservatives ever left the Republican Party en-masse, as you suggest, you would be left with a total membership that would be lower than that of all the country clubs in the US, combined. I'm here to tell you that you wouldn't win a single election ever again. You have it totally backwards, buddy! In the GOP, your ilk is the vocal minority. Just because your voices are more often heard on the MSM, don't assume your opinions are those of the party's majority. Get a true clue, and ask Zogby or Gallop or any semi honest polling organization!

My Opine
He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.

Sounds like Specter, Shays, Bloomberg, and many other RINOs.

MyOpine writes:
Frank
What were you doing while Bush "Handed out" all that money?

Probably advising the CEOs of the Big Three Auto Makers.

Sophie of a thousand names, (Communist)
You mention the people who signed petitions and helped Obama to be elected but you failed to mention how Obama lied to those people and stole the Grant money intended to repair their low rent apartments

Some people just have too much personal integrity to become the puppet of criminals and steal from the poor.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/06/so_tell_us_sen_ obama_who_else.html

GunnyG
Alas, Sophie unwittingly admits what we all know to be true about liberals. They believe government and elected office are the ultimate goal. Worthy of the ultimate praise. Most of us wouldn't associate with that den of thieves, left and right. Liberals go into government work for life. Most conservatives make a contribution to our country and move back to the private sector. Whereas liberals, with no discernable talent, continue to suck at the nipple of government for life. Wow, Sophie sure got you with that "couldn't be elected dogcatcher" stuff, twice! Ah, the too smart and clever for the rest of us Sophie.

What ultimately makes this country work is the entrepreneurs and risk takers who provide work to the less talented and meek. What screws it up is government interference.

Cookie
"What screws it up is government interference."

You got that right. Reagan was dead on about government BEING THE PROBLEM. If the government would step back, the economy would take off. Drop crap like Social SUCKurity and other parasitic programs and let people decide their own fate, investment capital would skyrocket and the market would hit 20K!

but libs want us more like the eurosocialists.

Sophie writes:
Me, Mad Gunny Boy? Don't be silly
I've got a real man,

Probably purchased at the nearest sex shop, with a battery powered air pump tossed in for free.

Sophie
"It's gonna be a long eight years for you Gunny Boy, isn't it?"

Sorry Sophie but he'll get four and no more. There is ALRADY dissention on the left and Odumbo has yet to be sworn-in!

Wait till he screws the pooch somewhere and it has serious consequences for us and watch the blowback. When he missteps on national security, we'll be all over it and you KNOW he will, you liberals can't help it.

As for his presidency, he'll provide me with enough ammo to bash liberals for a decade. We survived Karter, Klinton, and we'll survive Odumbo.

The question is, will your party of fruits and nuts survive it?

Sophie of a thousand names, (Communist)
You still don't get it!
Obama USES dupes like you!
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/obama_and_south_chic ago_slum_d.html

That handout you think you voted yourself is a MYTH!
You have also been USED.
You are a compulsive DUPE!
That Illegal who married you for a Green Card USED you!

Obama will used this financial mess HE deliberately created as a campaign tactic as an excuse for not giving you the Government handout!

ExRCSD Deputy
Sophie is an angry tranny so you can imagine what it looks like! haha. Moreover, it's real man is most likely a lifemember of an SF bathhouse!

No doubt it's still angry over Prop 8 getting the axe.

Every time it posts, I'm reminded of that line in Death Race.

"Man, that's one angry h0m0."

Frank
"Subject: yeah lolo
you are so right! that why you moral social conservatives sat on your hands and let Bush hand out billions of dollars."


Hey illiterate dipwad who gave Bush the money? THE CONGRESS!!! Who controls the Congress? THE DEMOCRATS! Who consistently voted against it? THE STAUNCH CONSERVATIVES! The difference is, despite the fact the left meets the right on this one, the left will continue to vote the party line and these idiots back in office. The right will not. See the subsequent last two elections.

After the pure stupidity of the Minnesota count going on I am beginning to see why one should always vote the party line regardless. It seems when one crosses the line, a stupid voter board can assume you simply 'meant' to vote otherwise, despite how clearly one marks one's very own ballot.

As to the 'billions' of dollars don't get me started on the pluses and minus' of that decision since it is clear that economics and finances are beyond your limited IQ.

Alert!
Our own Walter Williams will fill in for Rush on Wedensday.

Botox Biden
The thing the left hates about Cheney is he is rough,tough and won't take no sh!t off anybody. He couldn't care less what Bo-Bi or anyone else thinks of him.

I only wish GW Bush had been more like Cheney. He would never have let the left-wing MSM get by with denigrating him as Bush has. He would have used the bully pulpit to fight back.

There's a sewer in VA and one in CA missing their residents,who crawled out just in time to spew their venom about something that is none of their business.

Lolo1
WELL SAID on the liberal Congress but the libstain's are so wrapped up in their BDS, they can't reason how the money moves. They think Bush just waves his magic wand and POOF! away it goes.

Many of the libstooges no doubt still think that he controls the price of gas in a back room somewhere.

Frank
"If you had a shred a credibility then at leat what you wrote would have been funny-as it stands its just pathetic."

BTW...the only thing pathetic here is you. You should sue your parents for inbreeding idiot.

I am sick to death of people like you bringing up Sarah Palin's daughter. So what if she had an out of wedlock child? Bristol is not running for office first of all, and second of all, just because one espouses a socially conservative view doesn't meant they are suddenly immune to mistakes or sin idiot.

When you are perfect let me know so I can laugh and ridicule you even more.

Sophie
What is Bush's?

About 30 points HIGHER than your liberal majority Congress and Senate!

BWHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Nancy Piglosi and DINGY Reid!

HAHAAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHA! The joke of politics.

BTW, did you read that Ol Dingy is facing a close reelection Nevada? Better get ACORN cranked up and bussed out there!

Lolo1
"I am sick to death of people like you bringing up Sarah Palin's daughter. So what if she had an out of wedlock child?"

Great reply to a serial idiot. As for Bristol's child, a lib would have preferred an abortion and Odumbo voted not only FOR abortions but to deny ANY medical care for infants that survive Roe v Wade.

Of course, he doesn't want HIS daughters saddled with a "mistake."

Palin and Bristol live their principles and liberals are baffled by it.

Sophie
"And then to sell the baby pics for $300K?"

Sounds like you're just jealous since you could not sell YOUR picture for $1.50 and a corndog!

"Man, that's one angry h0m0."

GunnyG
That is because people like Frank are a product of public schools and do not know even basic civics, let alone discern what it means when the local broadcaster says "Congress authorized 700 billion dollars"....

Frank is a total weakling and a loser who is a failure at life and will, like all losers, blame the government instead of blaming himself. Only the weakest among us are incapable of accepting personal responsibility for their mistakes and learning from them. Unfortunately that seems to be about half of the population. The next ten years, not four years, are going to rough, maybe it will cull the herd.

Sophie
Actually YOUR Congress has a NINE percent approval rate.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/moo d_of_america/congressional_performance/congressional_perfor mance

So off the top of my head, I was close enough to make my point.

"Man, that's one angry h0m0."

Lolo1
I'm guessing that the drug-filled 60's flower children are gonna start dropping like flies but it can't come fast enough for me. They've been a plague on America since they pulled away from their mommy's teat.

Sophie of a thousand names, (Communist)
Do you have enough intellect to discern the difference between rent money and a State Grant to repair property?
That is what was awarded to cohorts for a kickback.

You keep giving us examples of why you can't be trained on any normal job.
Your mind is closed to reality, you live in your own private dream world.

The subject is SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX

If I never hear another word about someone else’s sex, do’s and don’t’s, and have’s and have not’s, that would be wonderful.

If you could find a period in time when everyone abided by your rules, whatever they are, concerning sex, let me know. Do I care about FDR, Eleanor, LBJ, Eisenhower, Clinton, Carter’s heart, Reagan’s divorce, Blarney Plank, and all the others.

Do I care what any of them, and any of you do? Not a whit. It should be only of concern to those involved, or closely on the side.

Since I am about the only perfect one in this subject, this is the expert with absolutely no experience, except with my Sweetie.

As for my Sweetie and I, nothing was ever better, more important, more frequent, and at more places in the world. All except the Vatican, because in the RV we couldn’t find a good parking place.

So drop it, homo or otherwise, I don’t want to hear about it, ever. When I see the neighbors children playing in the yard, I know they had sex some years ago, and that is all I want to know about it.

It is none of your business unless you are the one messing with the wrong person.

Sophie
Your party has the flashing knives out!

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D95D7M180&show_arti cle=1

Gonna lose the black vote! oh no, NOT THAT!

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHA!

You liberals are bound and determined to exhibit your stupidity on a daily basis.

Let that schadenfreude FLOW!

Sophie
"You keep giving us examples of why you can't be trained on any normal job."

You're on WELFARE?

Figures.

Sophie

"Oh but it's the HYPOCRISY of it all
Lolo!

Weren't you talking about hypocrisy yesterday??????

We all know the howls of outrage we'd hear from social conservatives if it was Obama who had the slutty daughter who got knocked up!

We heard Billo the Clown O'Reilly heap scorn on Jamie Lynn Spear's mom for letting her daughter get knocked up...

But with the Palins? Oh what a blessed event!

Not to mention that fact the Palin preached abstinence only education. That worked out swell for Bristol din't it!

And then to sell the baby pics for $300K?

Oh how very very low rent!

But what else could we expect from the Wasilla Hillbillys?"

What in the beejeezus are you blathering about? Bill O doesn't speak for a majority of the population or me either. I could care less about Jaime Spears or anyone in the entertainment industry for that matter. And you don't seem to mind if Angelina sells her pics do you? Quite frankly she should sell the pics if she is going to get money because being a teenage mother has consequences and one of them is poverty.

Sophie you are jealous of the Palins. Admit it. They have accomplished a lot more than you including procreation, but I thank God for the small favors he bestows every day. They have come from behind and accomplished way more than you ever will. In your view Hillbilly's just aren't supposed to achieve anything. You are a snob with nothing to be snobby about. The Palins net worth is much higher than yours and self achieved.

Envy is not one of your better qualities, and neither is your masochism, since you come here to get spanked every day.

GunnyG

"Subject: Lolo1
I'm guessing that the drug-filled 60's flower children are gonna start dropping like flies but it can't come fast enough for me. They've been a plague on America since they pulled away from their mommy's teat."

Amen.

I have always said lock them up in the nursing home and their progeny in the asylum.

Hypocrisy, Thy Name Is Liberal

The liberals who have advocated 'free love' since the sixties,have no business even discussing any young girl who just follows what they've been taught by the left.

EVERY social problem that plagues us today,such as illegitimacy,abortion,illiteracy and all the other ills,can be blamed on the left.


Oh Sophie!

Sophie Location: CA
Reply # 116
Date: Dec 30, 2008 - 3:43 PM EST

Sophie you keep talking about how good you are, and how hard you work, but do you keep your word?

I seem to remember some comment about tit for tat, but believe me, I can't remember what it was, or who said it, or who cares.

And we both live in CA.

Sophie of a thousand names, (Communist)
If you had spent as much time investigating your crooked Messiah as you do drooling over the handout you think you voted yourself you would know WHAT you voted for.

Your legs are too fat and you need to buy larger stockings. That is what causes the tingling in your legs by cutting off circulation.

Read THIS!
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseactio n=home.main&tp_preview=true&x=7959345

GunnyG©, Rowly, Lolo: Good grief!!

What are these intellectually limited, low-life liberals doing here AGAIN???

Just ONCE... ONCE... I'd like to read a post from any of them that has even a hint of substance, and perhaps a notion of reality.


Oh, I forgot... they're intellectually limited, low-life liberals whose sole purpose is to distort facts and ridicule.


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Ratas
Oh my gosh!!! You are so crazy!! Made me think of Mr. Tudball on the Carole Burnett show a few years ago.

Believe it or not,about halfway into your post,I was thinking they should get wobbie and have an orgy since he has been talking about his sex life the last few days. Then you include him and Hul!!

MyOpine: And, we can't forget the "Idiot

American voters who voted FOR OBAMA!!!"

Remember those brain trusts.....

http://beltwayblips.com/video/harlem_voters/

Synopsis!
"Who are you going to vote for?"

"Obama"


"Why..."

"Because I like what he stands for."


"So, you like Obama's idea on restricting stem cell research?

"Yeah. I agree with Obama on that."


"And what about staying in Iraq until the job is done?

"Yeah. I think we should stay in Iraq and get the job done."


"And what about being pro-life?"

"Yeah, I agree with Obama on pro-life."


"And what do you think about Obama having Palin as his VP pick? You don't have any problem with that?

"No. I think that's fine. I have no problem with Palin being Obama's VP."


And these idiot lunatics think the Conservatives are sore losers?

No, if anything, the Conservatives are outraged that the Obama voters are so INSUFFERABLY STUPID and UNINFORMED... and because of so many of these IDIOTS, we will have a true Marxist as POTUS... until 2012...... because the libs are so intellectually limited!



Sophie of a thousand names, (Communist)
I gave you a link to the people he lied to and stole from.
You can stick to your position and make silly remarks if you want to but don't cough or sneeze in that position.
Your spincter will twitch and cut your head off!

GO SOPHIE!!!

Gunny the consquirt says

"You liberals are bound and determined to exhibit your stupidity on a daily basis."

He wins todays "pot calling the kettle black" award for the day!

Which one is a Democrat?
Listen to this one;
http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/obama-plans-to -disarm-america
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Then read the words of this one;

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."
They were a part of John F. Kennedy's 1961 Inaugural Address.

Anne....
They are so stupid they still haven't realized he has taken them for a ride. Broken every promise. Reneged on every one of them.Serves 'em right,too.

wrongsrong & psycho-sophie: Hey, you

don't like what GunnyG© or MyOpine, etc. have to say???


Here's a really great idea! :-)


Don't log on to TownHall! Just slither over to one of the lunatic leftist sites like Puff-HO and dailyKreep!

You'll like it there... Really, you will! :-)


Anne
BHO is not a Marxist.
Are you convinced he's a citizen now?
You were pretty convinced he would not be sworn in due to some paper work issue you were researching.
Because if you are, you're ready to move on to retract or defend the ridiculous comment that he's a marxist.

Rowly: Isn't THAT the truth! Problem is.

these limited liberals wouldn't know the truth if it walked up and smacked them right in the head, so they'll not be able to tell the difference as Bozo O starts breaking all his promises.

But I suspect that as long as he's raising every-one's taxes (which is ONE promise he'll keep!!!) they'll assume he's keeping his word!


Anne
please spell my name correctly. Wrightsrong 52 !
Try this memory mnemonic. "the right is wrong"
that will help you keep it straight, I'm sure.

Did I say I didn't like it here?
This site is an idiot buffet for liberals.

Writeswrong52
Are you intentionally trying to make a fool of yourself?
Are you really so far removed from reality that you don't know Obama USED TO TEACH MARXISM!

I can give you many links;
This is a complete dossier on Obama;
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printindividualProfile.a sp?indid=1511

If you still don't think Obama is a Communist, look for yourself!
So you won't think I am "Cherry Picking info".
Make this search;

Saul Alinsky + Barack Obama

wrongsrong: OF COURSE Bozo IS a MARXIST!

And IF you had a clue what Marxism is, you'd know that that's EXACTLY what Bozo is!

The problem is, you and your blind Bozo followers have no clue about what he's really been talking about!!!!!!!

"You were pretty convinced he would not be sworn in due to some paper work issue you were researching."

No, you're wrong again... or is it STILL??? I NEVER ONCE SAID THAT. (That old reading comprehension problem is showing its ugly face once again, isn't it?)

There IS NO DOUBT that Bozo is a Marxist. The only question was if he fulfilled the Constitutional requirement to be POTUS.

And, if you didn't have that reading comprehension problem, you'd know that whether or NOT the SCOTUS heard any of the suits, the question is still OPEN!

If you had a lick of intelligence you'd have at least done your homework... heaven knows all the research and links had been PROVIDED to you and every other intellectually limited idiot, and you'd understand why his eligibility is STILL IN QUESTION!

wrightsrong52
Did I say I didn't like it here?
This site is an idiot buffet for liberals.

And they are the main course.

MyOpine: Has it been confirmed yet...

Is being intellectually limited a requirement for being a liberal???

Dr. Rossiter has pretty much confirmed that liberals are "clinically NUTS," but is "insufferably stupid" also part of the requirements???


And when I
picture Sophi, i imagine something about a million times uglier than Perseus's victim.

Anne:
The major requirement to be a lib are a double prefrontal lobotomy and double frontal lobotomy done simultaneously.

Oh psycho-sophie: You can't always tell

anything!

How about, I use "UPPER CASE" when I'm trying to emphasize something??? Hmmmm???

Pretty much because you intellectually limited liberals find it practically impossible to ever get the point!!!

And, of course you think MyOpine's links "ridiculous." It takes intelligence and an open functioning brain, and some maturity, to understand what information MyOpine and Ret. Geek have provided.

But alas, you'd rather just be your old insufferably stupid, and clinically crazy self, so you just ignore it.

Now, run along to your "corner" or "back alley" or wherever it is you carry on the oldest profession, before some other little slutty takes your place and your tricks. :-)



Stupie:
Let's have a contest to determine who is more inarticulate, Caroline Kennedy or Obugout.

Softie
And if my wishes come true, he never will..

Sophie of a thousand names, (Communist)
I am quite well aware of how you remain ignorant by choice because you find truth inconvenient.

Another link for you to ignore;
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=56494

Entertainment?
If you pathetic clowns did not come here to provide amusement, TH would be as boring as MoveOn & DailyKos & HuffPo.
We don't have any George Soros to pay the bills here.
Thanks to idiots like you, TH makes a profit from advertising.
YOU SUCKERS PAY THE BILLS HERE by providing us with punching bags!

For every person who posts, there are from 30 to 50 on each thread laughing while Leftists like you make fools of yourself!

Thank you for helping to finance this Conservative site.

Deputy: Now, that's NOT nice!!! HA HA

Yesterday on Burt's thread, Corndog's post was a true classic!

Corndog
Location: PA
Reply # 12
Date: Dec 29, 2008 - 5:59 AM EST bho's wit
You're forgetting some of 'That one's' timeless classics.

February 2, 2008 ummmmmm errrrrrr

July 15, 2008 ah ah ah um ah um ahhh

Sep 23, 2008 Ahhhhh budee budee budee that's all folks.


And over the weekend, during an interview, ol' Caroline Schlossberg said, "ya know" TWELVE TIMES in 42 seconds!

Did ya get that??? Twelve TIMES in forty-two SECONDS!

And, when she wasn't saying "ya know" she really wasn't saying anything else.... just yammering about nothing!


I give you the dumbocratic party!



SophieUnwanted
"Ignorance may be bliss, but knowing I'm not ignorant like that klan is priceless!"


Once again you have no idea how ridiculous your posts are. Read that statement again. Then tell us how much your home and portfolio are worth and what state you are governor of. Hey dumb dumb, obviously Palin is not as stupid as you would like to portray her. You have a right to disagree with her all you want but calling her 'stupid' is not an argument.

As to the Palin's living up to their values...they are. Neither Sarah nor Bristol had an abortion now did they? Bristol made a mistake and is accepting the consequences of that mistake. Thinking people know you don't solve one problem by creating another.

Sophie you used to come at me with more intellect...what happened?

I can tell you what my suspicions are concerning Bristol and I would bet money you would agree, that is if you are thinking objectively.

Rowly: Well, the Marxist may be "living"

in OUR White House, but I'll never consider him our president or Cmdr. In Chief.

The idiot liberals can "call" him anything they want, but I'll not ever call him pres.

And good looking family? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

I can't even put in print what Michelle reminds me of... but they have the same first initial.


Rowly

"Well, Rowly, you know what they say
about wishes! Hold out your hands!

Why, he is gonna be your new Commander in Chief in just twenty two short days! And there ain't a gosh dang thing you can do about it!

All Hail the Chief!

Raise a toast tomorrow night in honor of our beautiful new first family! Such a lovely, quintessentially american, family!"


I will raise a toast, and then I will wait approximately 6 months and watch as the people of this country learn to be careful what they wish for. People are going to learn the difference between having and getting.

ExRC SD Deputy
My vote is Caroline Kennedy, but maybe they should let her have the Senate and we can have a real contest.

Quite frankly the only thing she was missing was a Valley girl accent.

Lolo: What? psycho-sophie came at you

with more what? Intellect?

Now Lolo... I suspect that that only happened ONCE, and you were so surprised... shocked even, that you must have read that post several times just to be sure that you actually read what you THOUGHT you read...

Sorry Lolo, if psycho-sophie ever posted anything with any intellect, it was by accident, and you were just shocked.


Sophie
Yeah,Sophie....that'll be the blackest day of my life....

Rowly
That will indeed be a dark day for America;

JUST FOR THE SAKE OF "What if"?

What would happen if Bush use the ACORN investigation to declare a National Emergency, Enacted Martial Law, nullified the election, jailed Obama and held a new election?

What would happen if ANY General or Admiral, waited for Obama to take Office, then declared a Military Coup?
Obama could not call up the Irregulars because they would side with the General.

See any vulnerability?

Pot and Kettle?
MyOpine says to Frank: "I see you are a typical Communist.
You have no intellect or points to debate so you resort to childish name calling."

And you just did what to Frank, MyOpine?

Interesting how often conservatives resort to terms such as "communist" or "socialist" when they don't like someone else's opinions. And in most cases those terms are used in a shallow sense, without reference to any meaningful definitions. One would think that the Cold War had never ended and that anyone to the left of Attila the Hun was hell-bent to nationalize the ever-shrinking number of factories that remain in this country.

MyOpine
I always thought Clinton would do that in his last weeks. He did not want to leave the White House. He had the Bosnia thing going,too.

Bush would look good in my eyes again if it happened. Maybe. I have wondered why they keep kicking the can down the road about the birth Certificate.That is still not settled,I don't believe.

I have been told,I am a conspiracy theorist. Suspicious. Maybe read too many books,but I have always thought we had a shadow government. I always wonder who is running the country behind the scenes. Make sense?

Rowly


Location: GA
Reply # 124
Date: Dec 30, 2008 - 4:10 PM EST Ratas
Oh my gosh!!! You are so crazy!! Made me think of Mr. Tudball on the Carole Burnett show a few years ago.

Believe it or not,about halfway into your post,I was thinking they should get wobbie and have an orgy since he has been talking about his sex life the last few days. Then you include him and Hul!!

~~~

Rowly,

Thank you kind poster.

I learned, many years ago, that you cannot confuse anyone with facts who are adamant that their own ignorance and stupid beliefs are correct.
Can't be done.

Therefore, since I can't baffle them with brilliance, See ~ 'Minds made up' reference above. I must enter 'Baffle Phase II' i.e. 'Befuddle'.

I, if decide to respond at all, it is with as outrageous humor as I can muster at the time, without being banned.

I admit, some are not so good. Some are funny to me, and THAT is important to me.

But, you know? To me, the funniest part is, the lefties never get it.

In my mind's eye, I see the troll sitting there, musing over, whut R this? Does he mean me?

Another thing, amusing to me, you can call a troll, the most vile thing in the world, but as long as they don't know the word, it is OK with them.

This gives any two syllable word or more, free rein.



Trolls don't get it. Most conservatives do.

Conservs may smile, grimace or on a few occasions even chuckle.

I am not big on 'Oh Yeah", 'Your Mother', "same to you', 'You're stupid', and other primary school yard insults.


I can only conclude, that a lot of folk on here, simply love, verbally, shoving the enema's face into its own gluteous maximus and forcing it to French Kiss its own 'anis' [purposely mispelled to confound the lefty monitors on this site].


johninoregon: Sorry, not even close!

Conservatives don't resort to anything! But, when someone espouses "Socialism" or "Marxism" or "Communism" or any variation and/or combination of the three, it's obvious they are a "Socialist" or "Marxist" or "Communist" and too often, they're not educated or informed enough to KNOW IT!

In NO CASE were those terms ever used shallowly or without reference.

Between MyOpine and Ret. Geek, and a few other Conservatives, there was a plethora of information provided that was detailed enough... actually detailed MORE than enough, so anyone who "wished" to educate themselves could.

The research was already done for them, and links provided. It was up to them to do their own reading... If they chose not to, such as yourself obviously, it was their own fault.


johninorigon
I CALL EM AS I SEE EM!
If you side with Communists then I give you the benefit of the doubt and call you a Communist until you prove yourself to be simply another Communist DUPE!

If you were not so closed minded you would investigate for yourself and find out why we use terms like Communist & Socialist.
If you don't think Obama is a Communist, look for yourself
Make this search;

Saul Alinsky + Barack Obama

Or if you find it more convenient to remain ignorant, then keep your head stuffed right where it's at and continue to provide us with amusement!

Ratas
Hey...you do it well...an old southern saying,"You can say anything bad about a person as long as you preface it with 'bless his heart'".

These liberals only know hate and lies. They are not into comedy,as you well know. That would make them human....impossible.

Biden
Simply put, Biden is a revolving jerk (no matter which you turn him, he's still a liberal jerk) and he has been since he was elected to Foggy Bottom.
He'll kiss up to "The One" and will offer nothing more than the blithering idiocy that he's postulated since he came on the scene and especially since he was nominated as VP.
I really, though sadly laugh when I read of his comments concerning his intention of being involved with all the policies of the messiah.
What a real crock and an Obamanite as well.
A real "yes man".

Poor Mr. Limbaugh!
OMG if Mr. Limbaugh ever read these posts he would probably forget what he even wrote his article about!

That is EXACTLY what happened to me. TH continues it's Wonderland theme of first posts last and last posts first. I got so lost in the Sophies and the Wobbies and the Lolos and the Gunnys et al that I forgot that the original article was about the supremely ill conceived Barry pick of "Just your average Joe" Biden.Yikes!

And as for Joe, the subject of the article...,what a conundrum! It just reinforces the Barry Dunham/Chance the Gardener analogy.

I think that Barry is an enigma. He is a watcher. And like a changeling,he can be anything you imagine him to be.

That is why the most bizarre event in a series of bizarre events, that climaxed with Barry's becoming the POTUS elect, was his pick of Biden to be VPOTUS!

The only thing that I can figure is that, he picked Biden so that the collective prayers of this nation will be that Barry stays healthy and out of harm's way for his four years. If not we get Joe as POTUS.

psycho-sophie: You're confused!

If Gov. Palin was "intellectually limited" she'd be a liberal!

Same thing with Pres. Bush. If he was "intellectually limited" he'd be a liberal.

And, neither of them are liberals. Ego, neither of them could possibly be "intellectually limited."


(You might have to read that two or three times so you really understand it.)


And btw, word on the "street" is that your tricks are lining up and waiting for you. Better hurry back to your corner or back alley before some other slutty takes your tricks. Now, run along.


Old Tom
The only thing Obama will tell Botoxy Biden is "Bring me my coffee and a cigarette". Biden will know next to nothing,and for good reason. He would tell reporters,just to boast.

We will never know when Biden is mad,sad or any kind of expression. His forehead has been socked so full of Botox,he can't wrinkle it. Weird looking specimen.

Experience can't solve everything
Cut and paste,

We must fight the idea that the Alaskan Sweetie does not have enough experience to do her job. Yes experience is important, but brains are more important.

Then think of the 10’s of thousands of bankers, brokers, lawyers, economists each with 6 or 8 years of education in their profession, and 10 to 50 and even more years of experience in daily work in their specially. Look at the mess experience got us.

Just remember that the only thing worse than a government regulation, is the stupidity and criminal activity of members of whatever industry has been regulated. I don’t remember any regulation that was enacted before some greedy, criminally oriented group of individuals made it necessary.

The duty of the President and VP are overrated. A President does two things. He appoints 30,000 people to do the work, then when the Press arrives, he must remember and point to the appointee who solved a particular problem.

Do you remember FDR riding in a tank, going to attack the Germans?

Do you remember Truman building the balcony on the White House?

Do you remember JFK landing on the beach at Cuba?

Do you remember Clinton paying attention to the lady under the desk? Well maybe that one doesn’t count.

Well, FDR pointed to General Marshall, Truman pointed to the carpenter, JFK ignored Marilyn Monroe for a few minutes and pointed to a General Taylor, and Clinton was already pointing.

There are 3,500,000 Federal Government employees, so in his 35,000 hours of being in office, he would have to shake hands with 100 each hour, 24/7, just to meet them all. So how could he do all that work by himself.

Yes, that word man includes the Sweetie from Alaska.

SophieUnwanted








Sophie I am not superficial. What part of this do you not get? Listen up dear...Palin is many things but she is not stupid. I disagree vehemently with Obama and Blago for that matter, but you don't get to where they are by being stupid. Being stupid has nothing to do with being honest or corrupt, so while Blago is corrupt he is not stupid by any stretch and that stunt he pulled today proves that.

As for Palin's interview...I have worked far too many campaigns, so I know how that went down. Palin blew it, the campaign blew it, and the media sand bagged her, so that leads right back to Palin and the campaign staff blowing it. They are supposed to anticipate that garbage. There is a reason they taped Biden's mouth shut and rightly so. Smart move.

As to Bristol and looking through the eyes of both a mother and a woman...I am betting Mommy and Daddy less than approved of Bristol's choices and she did it anyway. She strikes me as one of those girls attracted to bad boys and a bit rebellious. I can just hear the old tired "but Mom you just don't know him the way I do!" Come on Sophie, you know you have met or known women like that. I think it is going to be interesting to watch that soap opera play out and entertaining to boot.

Oh BTW...Alaska's proximity to not only Canada and Russia does count because they will have mutual dealings. Ask Arnold about his dealings with Mexico, or Newsom about his dealings with China and Israel.

Your dinosaur and man comment is stupid, dishonest and a total myth.


Your jealousy and dishonest criticism is apparent.

I will tell you what is stupid. Saying Obama has enough experience for the WH. He has charisma, which admittedly is part of the required equation, but he does not have the experience of Palin. I did think it valiant when he stood up for Sarah and Bristol and very decent of him.

If you think you are smarter than Palin then go for it and run for governor. California could use a new one.

Botox Biden
BIden said he wil know everything Obama knows... The only thing Obama will tell Botoxy Biden is "Bring me my coffee and a cigarette". Biden will know next to nothing,and for good reason. He would tell reporters,just to boast.

We will never know when Biden is mad,sad or any kind of expression. His forehead has been socked so full of Botox,he can't wrinkle it. Weird looking specimen.

Posting Problems
Sorry about a double post. posting has been murder today.I have registered fifty times,I believe. This is ridiculous.

Sophie
"Subject: To be honest Lolo
I think the reason Palin so rubbed me the wrong way is because she's the female verson of Bush.

Someone who is intellectually limited and yet not only refuses to recognize those limitations but actually takes PRIDE in not being intellectual.

If she had stayed where she belonged and not sought a position WAY above her capabilities I would have admired her accomplishments."



Well Sophie that is a start, but you still haven't proven that she or Bush are intellectually limited. I am betting Bush is more well read than you. While I may disagree with Obama I would not categorize him as intellectually limited. He isn't, not by any stretch. I can vehemently disagree with someone on quite a number of things and still see they have brain cell. While I may think some of what you say is quite dumb, smart people say dumb things all of the time, I know you have a brain cell. I see it most especially in your humor. I know others have referenced that as well.



Governor Palin
I believe
she could be another Margaret Thatcher in time. Of course,the media hates her. She has everything none of them have or ever will have...integrity.

Without Gov.Palin,John McCain would have lost in a landslide. She brought many of the base back who despised McCain. She definitely helped me make up my mind. I would have voted for him against Obama,but could not 'support' him.

jim
"Just remember that the only thing worse than a government regulation, is the stupidity and criminal activity of members of whatever industry has been regulated. I don’t remember any regulation that was enacted before some greedy, criminally oriented group of individuals made it necessary."


On the money jim and very well said. We are a nation of people that are reactive, and often over reaction, instead of pro active. the current economic mess and response is a prime example of that.

Sophie
Hey you know you can get a Sarah Palin calendar!!!!


Personally I wish she would do something with her hair....never understood why everyone went ga ga over the hair...

The Song That's Causing So Much trouble
Barack the Magic Negro lives in D.C.


The L.A. Times, they called him that


‘Cause he’s not authentic like me.


Yeah, the guy from the L.A. paper


Said he makes guilty whites feel good


They’ll vote for him, and not for me


‘Cause he’s not from the hood.

This is part of the Paul Shanklin song Rush played in an imitation of Sharpton's voice. It's causing a bit'o'trouble.

LC
If you don't like the posts then use your scroll button or arrow keys and scroll on by.

That is called Freedom.

Sophie, and Anne
Sophie you should maybe reconsider this statement.

Thinking that alaska's proximity to russia counts as foreign policy experience is stupid.

Actually Alaska's strategic location in respect to Russia puts the Govenor of Alaska as the Alaskan National Guards CinC directly responsible for the early warning defense of the rest of the Nation. And the only Gov. directly involved with U.S. National Stategic defense. Also Her direct negotiation with Canada on specific international projects also lends some credibility to her claim of foriegn affairs experience. Maybe its not her inability to look beyond her state but the inability of her detractors to take an honest intelectual open minded look at what she said beyond what innitialy seemed a simpleminded inaccurate statement.

Anne as much as you regret his success in the last National election, if you are an American citizen then yep Obama is/will be your President.

Sophie, Anne
Sophie you should maybe reconsider this statement.

Thinking that alaska's proximity to russia counts as foreign policy experience is stupid.

Actually Alaska's strategic location in respect to Russia puts the Govenor of Alaska as the Alaskan National Guards CinC directly responsible for the early warning defense of the rest of the Nation. And the only Gov. directly involved with U.S. National Stategic defense. Also Her direct negotiation with Canada on specific international projects also lends some credibility to her claim of foriegn affairs experience. Maybe its not her inability to look beyond her state but the inability of her detractors to take an honest intelectual open minded look at what she said beyond what innitialy seemed a simpleminded inaccurate statement.

Anne as much as you regret his success in the last National election, if you are an American citizen then yep Obama is/will be your President.

doug: Actually, no! YOU can feel free

to consider Bozo my pres., but as far as I'm concerned, he's nothing more than the Marxist living in OUR White House because 52% of the clueless liberals voted for him.

And, I'll say that to anyone who asks.. regardless of what they say.

But, what will be interesting will be to watch some of the blind Bozo followers begin to see what he's doing, and the buyers remorse set it.

Why, in fact, it's already happening. :-(

MyOpine
Have you heard whether anything has come of the FBI investigation of the states where ACORN was operating?

I actually havent noted
any buyers remorse yet. I do understand your sentiment about the man but it made no more sense then when bds sufferers said the same about Bush. But okay okay he's not your President.

Diaries of an ex troll
After a few weeks of soul searching I have come to the realization that for most of my time blogging I was being a troll.

In which case I will now list a few ideas.

1. If we get rid of tax loop holes, that will shred the tax code into a fraction of its size and we'll be able to collect nearly 350 billion dollars worth of extra revenue per year.

2. I think America could live without alot of derivatives- that range from swaps to options - because frankly the entire world has not managed to go at least 5 years straight without a wealthy country getting into a financial mess and frankly casino economics (or as I call it "trip on your @ss capitalism") has to end and maybe CDO's (collateralized debt obligations:derivatives that mortgaged backed securities were put into).

P.S. If anyone wants to talk about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac all I want to say is: Nobody could of had the foresight to see that insuring banks to carry out their functions could of contributed to such a mess and frankly in some form or another we may still have to continue insuring banks (from what I here in most of our lifetimes a gigantic government insurance program is going to be created).

3. I'm not proposing an end to taking risks in our economy. What i'm saying is that we should have lower taxes for the middle class, the tax brackets reduced,programs to make average joe more mobile in the job market, and zeroed out capital gains for middle class Americans who aren't tied to major institutions. That way in this globalized economy the majority of Americans will be able to build there own wealth instead of just getting it through a long time employer. Because frankly in the information age Americans will have to learn to fit into the niche of being their own employer or fitting more into the service sector and it would be best to go through this process without letting the unemployment rate and crime rate going out of control.

Sophie
Remember,I said 'someday'....know what that means? You are right,Sophie. It is like comparing some of your stuff with a lady like Palin. Just no comparison. You just can't measure up.

Sophie that was
definately a poor string of words. Did that not come up at the VP debate? Its the first I really saw of her and I too was concerned witH Gov. Palins abilities. Then I did just a little search into her background. It was rather enlightening. She's got just a bit more depth then what was shown in the few bad answers. In fact if you even look deeper into the VP debate there were some pretty good answers from her.

psycho-sophie: YES, doug is right!!!

You might not like it, but he's absolutely correct.

And, in some situations, yes the Nat'l Guard... in that case the AK Nat'l. Guard is in charge of air surveillance.

And, Palin has, on several occasions, and consistently since being Gov., worked with and negotiated contracts with other COUNTRIES regarding foreign companies doing business in AK.

Keep in mind, that is NOT uncommon for any Gov. to do that.

There really IS a lot you don't know!

Now, would you like me to remind you of the many things that Newt Gingrich reminded that reporter of at the DNC... Specifically things that Palin had DONE, and Bozo had NOT?





psycho-sophie: YES, doug is right!!!

You might not like it, but he's absolutely correct.

And, in some situations, yes the Nat'l Guard... in that case the AK Nat'l. Guard is in charge of air surveillance.

And, Palin has, on several occasions, and consistently since being Gov., worked with and negotiated contracts with other COUNTRIES regarding foreign companies doing business in AK.

Keep in mind, that is NOT uncommon for any Gov. to do that.

There really IS a lot you don't know!

Now, would you like me to remind you of the many things that Newt Gingrich reminded that reporter of at the DNC... Specifically things that Palin had DONE, and Bozo had NOT?





Anne
I hope i'll be wrong, because if i'm right, we will all have to pay, BUT. I've seen 2 previous identity candidates, JFK and Peanut Jimmy. They were elected in strange complex races. Upon election their supporters were ecstatic. "Now that we have a decent (Irish Catholic lad) (born-again Christian) in the white house, we'll see some decent honest government. Alas, 'Twas neither to be. Within a couple years the glow was gone. I don't see any way for Obama to avoid the same route, but one must give him credit. Very few anticipated this situation 18 months ago.

Rowly
The last I heard is that the FBI has put a screeching halt to information leaks.
Election fraud had been found in 14 States at that time.

Without voting the graveyards & telephone books, Democrats are a small minority in America.
Criminal organizations like ACORN can entice numerous idiots to vote themselves a Government handout but you can't really call them voters.

George Wallace nearly ended the Democrat Party once.
He wanted to require an intelligence test before you are eligible to register to vote.
(No that is not a joke!)

If what ACORN has done is legal then Democrats will never win another election.
What would happen if every Local Gun Club did what ACORN did?
We have enough manpower to also follow ACORN around with Video cameras and record their nefarious campaign tactics.

Democrats have many enemies that would be eager for an opportunity for payback!

If it is lawful for ACORN to use children and convicts then we can certainly give the Boy Scouts a chance for vengeance!

Pistol: Yes, I remember them both! :-(

But I suspect THIS race was even more complex and unpredictable than any in recent history.

Remember, it was presumed that Hillary WOULD be the Dem candidate, and in most circles, that Rudy WOULD be the Republican candidate.

But, here's the thing. Bozo's shine is already wearing off. The gays are really mad at him for having Rev. Warren even near DC, and those Code Pink ladies are furious because he's not made plans to have out troops HOME sometime mid-Feb.

And, having noticed the look on his face after his FIRST Nat'l. Security Briefing... I suspect he's NOT going to be doing some of the things he so arrogantly promised he do. Then some MORE people are going to be mad at him.



Diaries of an ex troll part 2
Okay in this blog I just want to say that I'm sorry for trying to provoke arguments and want to list a few more ideas.

4. We need a Green tech initiative. Because of corporate welfare the free market has not found it necessary to build on green technology. And even though it could mean we invest billions of dollars for a miniscule return, we have to try anyway because we have ingenuity and have to make America a place where we have a buisness so innovative that it will defy all other incentives(such as the indiginous people's living standards). Hence America will become a magnet for the trillions of capital scouring the world. Also we will avoid the hundreds of billions of dollars of damage that global warming could cause.(I'm just saying, there are less scientists who don't believe in global warming than there are scientists who believe Mcdonalds could be part of a healthy diet)

5. The programs I was referring to in idea #3 would include: wage insurance, increasing the amount of days someone will be told before a plant will close, job retraining programs, Trade ajustment assistance, merging four of our major tax credits together into one super work incentive(this will also shorten the tax code), and a refundable tax credit worth somewhere around 3-4 thousand dollars to help cover tuition.

6. Get a multilateral colilition together to stop countries, such as China and India, from deflating their currency. That way we can give the Chinese goods that aren't made of pig poop and mercury (aka American goods), and they won't be able to block them. This will reduce our trade deficit in the future.

Blagojevich
Blago pulled a fast one this afternoon by appointing a black man to fill Obama's senate seat.He was told not to do it.You gotta admire one who will not roll over. Even if he is another Chi-town crook.

Of course,being black, he will be above reproach and it will be hard to recind the appointment. The Black Caucus will go to bat for him. This thing is not over yet.

Also,In an IBD editorial today,I read that AIG,who got the billions in bailout money,is busy insuring houses for Muslims in our country. Conforming to Sharia Law,whatever that entails.

Hair is the top of beauty.

Lolo1 Location: CA
Reply # 178
Date: Dec 30, 2008 - 7:07 PM EST
Sarah Palin ....never understood why everyone went ga ga over the hair...
==========

Missy, it is “compared to what.” Compared to the rag tag whore hair style seem most places these days, The Alaskan Sweetie had beautiful hair.

Could you imagine Grace Kelly in “Rear Window” wearing her hair as most do today. And my Sweetie would never go out of the house with her hair looking like the majority do today.

I told Sweetie a thousand times, that I was unhappy that she spent so much time making sure she looked her beautiful best, but it was well worth the effort.


Senior Citizen Discount Day?

Anne Location: PA
Reply # 169
Date: Dec 30, 2008 - 6:46 PM EST

… … hurry back to your corner or back alley … …
==========

Please Anne, give me the address of Sophie’s street corner, and tell which day is Senior Citizen Discount Day.

MyOpine: Tongue and cheek.. Kind of!

"George Wallace ... wanted to require an intelligence test before you are eligible to register to vote. (No that is not a joke!)"

After the Zogby Poll, it might not be a bad idea.

512 Obama Voters 11/13/08-11/15/08 MOE +/- 4.4 points

97.1% High School Graduate or higher, 55% College Graduates

Results to 12 simple Multiple Choice Questions

57.4% could NOT correctly say which party controls congress (50/50 shot just by GUESSING!)

71.8% could NOT correctly say Joe Biden quit a previous campaign because of plagiarism (25% chance by GUESSING!)

82.6% could NOT correctly say that Barack Obama won his first election by getting opponents kicked off the ballot (25% chance by GUESSING!)

88.4% could NOT correctly say that Obama said his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket (25% chance by GUESSING!)

56.1% could NOT correctly say Obama started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground (25% chance by GUESSING!)

And yet.....

Only 13.7% failed to identify Sarah Palin as the person on which their party spent $150,000 in clothes

Only 6.2% failed to identify Palin as the one with a pregnant teenage daughter

And 86.9 % thought that Palin said that she could see Russia from her "house," even though that was Tina Fey who said that!!

Only 2.4% got at least 11 correct.

Only .5% got all of them correct. (And we "gave" one answer that was technically not Palin, but actually Tina Fey)




Perhaps it would be a good idea to have everyone take the same test those who become Naturalized Citizens take! :-)


Oh, No!!!
There's A fungus amoung us!!!!

C'mon deranged-IQ29: Give it a rest!!!
.

MyOpine
I asked about ACORN in referrence to you post #158. Thought maybe you had heard something new. It will be swept under the rug,no doubt.

Kyle
We don't need to worry about any of that "Green" stuff.
Obama is going to REVERSE Global Warming by making you drive a smaller car and stop you from eating so much!
See?
http://www.cultureandmediainstitute.org/articles/2008/20080 519212450.aspx

We have been in a cooling cycle since 1992 and I think Obama must have reversed Global Warming retroactively!

Rowly: I wounder if deranged-IQ29

realizes that ALL his posts at the top of THIS THREAD are gone! :-)


Obama Whining
I heard Obama tonight in an interview whining that he hated not being able to go to his barber to get his haircut and not being able to take a walk anymore,etc. Already bellyaching.

Speaking of Dummies Ranger Robbie
How's my favorite dummy doing tonight? I see you're doing a fine job of making a fool of yourself.

Keep up the good work

No Anne, he doesn't
He's too stupid to realize anything other than how low his IQ is. He even brags about it in his screen name, Ranger TWENTY NINE

Now Now Ensign,
Didn't your Political Correctness classes teach you that it's unacceptable to pick on the "Mentally Challenged?"

Be nice to Wobbie, he's our favorite TROLL.

But Lt., he makes it so easy
Anyone who lies as often, and as blatantly as he does is just asking to be made fun of.

Besides, everything he does is on "our dime."

Even though I always thought that his Wal MArt plane rideswere on "our quarter."


Ensign Pulver
Wait....29 is his IQ??

All this time I thought it was the model number to his "Wonder Woman" doll....

;)

Good point Ensign
You know, for two people that don't really exist(at least in one mental midgets mind??), we sure seem to give Wobbie a lot of grief.

I wonder why that is?

Maybe Anne knows since she knows what a FRAUD Wobbie is better than any of the rest of us.

Article II?
Biden should definitely insist that Article II of the U.S. Constitution is followed by a constitutional attorney and former U.S. Senator and president-elect and make sure that Obama produces his U.S. natural born citizenship papers according to the supreme laws of the land. Biden's absolutely, right and I agree - the Articles, especially II, must be followed by those in office. We must support him on this serious matter that he believes in and I for one, will do so.

Good point Rose
But you seem to be forgetting that Democrats think themselves to be above the law.
Only us "smelly common peasants" are suppposed to be bound to obey it.

Just look at how Hussein Obama and Joe the Plaigarizer ignore it if you want proof.

Rowley
What ACORN did was intended to overload our elective system.
It is a standard Alinsky tactic.
They have already overloaded our Welfare System.
They have put drunks & dope addicts on permanent Disability in an effort to overload our Social Security System.

The object is to overload all public services so people will accept THEIR "Change".

This is a novel change!
Do you think parents of children who are being indoctrinated in our public school system are aware of this?
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_ali nskys_rule.html

Anne
Wobbie is like the old pop up doll kids used to have. Knock it down and it pops right back up. I cannot imagine why he continues his tripe.I would have more pride.

Ranger Robbie a mental midget??
GASP!! I'm just so shocked to hear/see you say that Lt., Ranger Robbie has been telling us all, for as long as I've been on Townhall how he's so much smarter than the rest of us.

I've always worshipped him for his smarticles. I think he's just a tad under Gomer Pyle when it comes to being smart.

Lolo1 Ca
What is your problem Lolo? I understand freedom. I do.I do not understand why you would take issue with me.I just wanted to bring the thread back to Joe.

Save your anger for Sophie. Yikes!

But at least witih Gomer Pyle
It's only an act. With Ranger Robbie the idiocy is for real.

And to Jim Nabors, if you're reading this, I'm sorry for insulting you so badly by comparing the Townhall Village Idiot to you.

MyOpine
They also want us all broke mentally,financially and spiritually. Then they can pounce. I see some bad times ahead at the hands of people who love the world more than the country.

It's not really fair to quote Joe Biden
His words are sometimes misunderstood as they are often muffled and distorted by his trousers and shorts. The man is a buffoon and unbelievably Caroline Kenneddy points to her role in his selection as a candidate as evidence of her political savvy. I think Barack actually selected him as he was the only candidate who didn't object to cleaning up after his daughter's new dog.

On Idiot29's resume
See how easy this is?

My Education:

BS in aerospace engineering, US Naval Academy

MS in aeronautical engineering,US Naval Postgraduate School

MS in mechanical engineering from MIT

MSL, JD, LLM, JSD graduate of Yale

I am:

The first ever Navy Seal, Marine Commando, Army Ranger hybrid Rear Admiral/7-Star General

Supreme Commander of the Federation of Planets

A Power Ranger

Batman

I have:

Been an agent in the FBI, CIA, DEA, ATF, and served as a double agent in the KGB in the 50's

Personally flown three unmanned missions to Mars

Successfully crossbred Ewoks with Wookies

Unsuccessfully bred myself with sheep

Please don't:

Question my authority on anything that I have, in fact, Googled or looked up on Wikipedia

Confuse me with Naval aviation codes or terminology, Constitutional 'interpretation'

Mention the sheep thing to anyone outside of TH, as it may ruin my thesis work for an advanced degree in Bovinehumanology

Tell my mom I am up past my bedtime again on the computer in our basement

LMAO K-9
You just perfectly captured Wobbie's legendary career.

Have you been on Townhall very long?

Hey Ranger Robbie
I heard a rumor that you're about to graduate from TAMU with a Doctorate in revising history.

Are you going to be at the commencement ceremony so that we can come up and say hi to you? Or maybe just stand up and yell to the crowd how you disrespect your civillian leaders in public forums like ths one.

Don't worry though, we'll be sure to bring the SP's, and maybe even a few MP's, with us so they can haul you in for your violations of UCMJ.

K-9
You've got the man of a thousand careers (all fraud),number and he will agree with you !!!

wobbie's parents
wobbie's parents were here with him. sophie and frank.

they must be so proud of their little wobbie

Lt
Let me put it this way--- I have been here long enough to know who the trolls are, and whose posts to just flag without reading, then just move on (lurked around here for about four or five years). If Robert would actually try to engage in intelligent discourse rather than offend/insult everyone and lie so much, he'd be a welcome addition to Townhall... nothing wrong with an opposing viewpoint, when it is posed with a little tact. Otherwise, it scores a big zero on the credibility scale.

And I have been around here long enough to know that every other time I try to post something, I will either end up with a double post or that 'page you're looking for does not exist' cue. So I rarely post, and try to stay sane.

K-9
You are lacking in respect for Robert.
Don't you know what an important person he is?
Let me show you!

Wobbie tells us he is a Captain in the U.S. Navy, an active duty combat pilot flying daily patrols over Iraq,

And he does not know Ordinance Color Codes.
And he can't describe a Division Gunnery Efficiency Pennant.
And he can't describe a Division Engineering Efficiency Pennant.
And he can't tell you what a BlackBaller is.
And he can't tell you what it signals when a ship hoists a single red dovetail pennant.
And he can't tell you the ransom paid by a Carrier for returning a downed pilot.
And he claims to be one of the men who held the "Halp us Jon Cary" sign.
And he claims to be a Border Patrol pilot.
And he claims to be an Airline Captain.
And he claims to be a Navy test pilot.
And he claims to be a civilian test pilot.
And he claims to be an FAA Flight Examiner.
And he claims to be a Republican and also a delegate to the Democrat convention.
And he claims to be a College Professor making psychiatric evaluations of our posts here at TH.
And wally discovered Wobbie does not know how to fly an airplane.
And he claims to be an advisor to our Admirals.
And he claims to be a Mid East Consultant.
And he claims to have been a Vice Cop.
And he claims to have attended the U.S. Marshal's course.
And he claims to have graduated the FBI Acadamy.
And he claims The U.S. Congress passed a Bill just so he could be both a Navy Officer & a "Peace Officer".
And he claims the Russians were so impressed they let him take their latest military craft for a spin at an Air Show.
And I can't get Wobbie to tell me if that Russian airplane has a slot for quarters like the plane he flies in front of Wal*Mart.

Ignore stupids, respond too Smarts

Wouldn't be nice some day if everyone would just let the stupids be stupid, and the rest of us smart people be smart.

Just ignore them and they will go away. I would love to have a reasonable discussion about something worth while. With absolutely no reference to what we know or think about each other.

How disgusting

Between the time I started to write that last reply, and the time it appeared, a couple more stupid, worthless, good for nothing posts appeared.

Come on, this is HuffPro, let's make it communication between the smarts, and please, please, never comment about the stupids any more.

From now on, if you post something about a stupid, I will consider you to be a stupid, so get lost.

So I'm not too smart


I left out the word "not" before HuffPro.

jim
Point taken. No more nonsense from this TH'er. Just a little satire to lighten the mood. We have a long four years ahead of us, and there are bigger fish to fry. Best wishes to all for a happy and productive New Year.

Fake sailors
what a perfect description oy yourself, Robert.

Robert
You have NEVER proved that you are anything but that you are a smug, overbearing, arrogant anal orifice.

Robert:
One last point. By 0800 your posts will be gone, and mine will still be here. What does that tell you?

Wobbie the Fantasy Wabbit
The only thing you have ever done at TH is make yourself look like an exceptionally stupid LIAR.

I don't think your posts should be erased.
I think they should be left for people to laugh at you!

Captain Robert, SIR!
Tell us what a "Blackballer" is?

And on the subject of black, what does a broad black band on the ogive of ordnance indicate the ordnance is intended for?

If another ship fished you out of the drink and returned you to your Carrier, what would the Ransom Payment be?

What does it signal when the ship alongside hoists a single red dovetail pennant?

Surely an Officer would know these things?

That's right Deputy
Ranger29 - Location: TX - Reply # 242
Date: Dec 30, 2008 - 11:28 PM EST Deputy..."YOU HAVE NEVER DISPROVED ANYTHING I HAVE SAID"
--------

You, nor anyone else, has ever "disproved"(BTW, Wobbie, the CORRECT word here is DISPROVEN) anything Wobbie da Wannabe Wanger has said, BECAUSE HE'S TOO MUCH OF A COWARD TO EVER GIVE ANY INFORMATION THAT CAN BE CHECKED INTO for the purpose of VERIFYING THE TRUTH, or falsity, of ANY of his hundreds of claims to fame.

On the other hand, EVERYBODY else with ANY AMOUNT OF HONOR, or desire to prove their credibility, including the Marine Lieutenant, and the Naval Ensign(the two people that Wobbie the PROVEN FRAUD most likes to accuse of being frauds.
I know because I've followed links that BOTH of these fine REAL MILITARY OFFICERS have provided in past threads, to more than enough documentation to prove their claims.


As for another of Wobbie the cowards claims; "you need to do that because you cannot engage on issues so you go after the personal thing"


HE, Wobbie, is the one here who cannot "engage on issues" because he NEVER posts anything even remotely related to the issue at hand.
He's always changing the subject to make it about himself, or a personal attack on others. THEN he whines about others "attacking" him.


And this final deluded quote from Wobbie;
"I pound people like you ideologically into sand"


Wobbie, you're such a intellectual weakling when it comes to an active and interesting debate that you couldn't pound SAND into sand.

ALL(the ONLY thing) you've got is the personal attacks you make on ALMOST EVERYONE else in this forum.

I agree with you MyOpine
In fact I often archive Wobbie's insane rantings to read when I'm feeling down.

He's so deluded that they NEVER fail to give me a good hysterical laugh.

Hey Ranger! Have you
submitted your request to be the chief pilot of AF 1? It's not too late if you you want to ace out the pride of Scranton PA

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