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Tuesday, October 21, 2008
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
OK, Let's Skip the Liberal Label
by David Limbaugh
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There's little doubt America is a center-right nation, which is why Barack Obama denies and conceals his liberalism and packages himself as a harbinger of hope and change.

Obama's policies represent change all right: change from almost everything our Founding Fathers considered sacred and vital to the preservation of individual liberty in America.

He also offers hope: hope for those who share his shame in what America has become, what it stands for, and what makes it unique in world history. Hope that an unenlightened America can be remade by this "transformational" man in an image pleasing to George Soros, the Hollywood elite, MoveOn.org, the Daily Kos and Michael Moore.

But if labels bother you, let's look at Obama's alliances and policies and let them speak for themselves.

If you are so intoxicated with "hope" that you believe Obama wasn't aware of and not in sync with the Rev. Wright's militantly racist and anti-American views or his black liberation theology, then it's probably too much to ask for you to be objective about his links to Bill Ayers and ACORN.

Instead of restating Ayers' despicable actions and beliefs, I just want to know whether Obama believes Ayers has been rehabilitated, which he suggests when he touts him as "a professor of education." Though Obama says he was just 8 years old during Ayers' Pentagon-bombing days, he doesn't mention that he was an adult when he served on boards with Ayers, launched his state Senate campaign at his home, and gave a glowing jacket endorsement for Ayers' book. Nor does he tell you that just a few short years ago, Ayers stomped on the American flag and reaffirmed his pride in his criminal acts.

Concerning ACORN, what do you suppose the mainstream media would do to John McCain if an organization he represented, whose members he trained and who he promised would play a pivotal role in formulating his presidential policy agenda, were caught red-handed trying systematically to subvert the election process throughout America?

As for Obama's leftist policy positions and attitudes, how do you think the following would sit with most Americans?

--His enabling of infanticide by arguing and voting against the Induced Birth Infant Liability Act in the Illinois Senate, which would have protected babies who survive failed abortions.

--His support of open borders and driver's licenses for illegal immigrants.

--His casual endorsement of Marxist redistribution of wealth.

--His plan to let the Bush tax cuts expire, resulting in a massive tax increase for tens of millions, and his tax credits to tens of millions more not paying income taxes, all while fibbing that he's going to cut income taxes for 95 percent of Americans.

--His plans to increase spending an estimated $1.3 trillion, not to mention the obscene dollars he would send overseas with the Global Poverty Act.

--His condemnation of our liberation of Iraq from the brutal dictator Saddam Hussein in furtherance of our national security interests yet promising military interventions for humanitarian reasons where we clearly have no national interests at stake.

--His opposition to the surge in Iraq and his plan to withdraw and jeopardize our imminent victory and the region's stability.

--His reckless plan to embroil us in a quagmire in Afghanistan and agitate Pakistan, our important ally in the war on terror.

--His naive commitment to negotiate with tyrants without preconditions.

--His inclination toward unilateral nuclear disarmament.

--His constant references to America's former greatness and his promises to restore our position of respectfulness in the world, betraying his full agreement that we've earned this supposed international disrespect.

--His forfeiture of American sovereignty to international bodies in obeisance to the pantheistic religion of global warming.

--His Kerryesque schizophrenia on guns and the Second Amendment.

--His derision of small-town Americans as bitter clingers.

--His thuggish approach toward those who dare to oppose him, such as Joe the Plumber, or anyone in St. Louis, whose criticism could have subjected them to criminal prosecution.

--His outright mocking of the Bible while adamantly insisting he's a strong Christian: "Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is OK and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount -- a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application?"

Truthfully, I'm barely getting started. But can you honestly tell me Obama would have a prayer of being elected if he were honest about his agenda and allies and if the media, which share his radical views, weren't in the tank for him?

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Agreed Ranger
The GOP is circling the drain, especially if they keep presenting candidates like Sarah Palin. How and when did the GOP get taken over by narrow-minded religious extremists? I think the GOP has paid an enormous price for making all its candidates pass the litmus test of being anti-abortion.

Mr. Limbaugh
Are you saying most people have no idea about the items that you just listed?

I think they know and choose to ignore the list because they want to believe in Obama. What on earth are they hoping for. They say it over and over but what on earth are they talking about? Change, hope, change, hope,change, hope.

People can ignore alot of evil when it suits them.

Since George Soros dictates to Obama all that Obama believes, I think it is time that someone did a serious expose on Soros. I mean if it is a safe thing to do. I have to believe that he is a dangerous person who is extremely dirty. Maybe he will eventually end up in prison then the world would be a better safer place.

Good article, but...
America is no longer center-right.

It is now center-stupid. Too many years of Jerry Springer, MTV, Spears, and Rap. Our society pays virtually no attention to what is happening, and simply wants to be taken care of.

this is why Obama will win and America will lose. In 4-8 years, we may be able to realize that as flawed as McCain is, he's a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

Of course, by then, we'll all be so busy looking for jobs, we won't be thinking about much of anything.

Jeffrey
"I think the GOP has paid an enormous price for making all its candidates pass the litmus test of being anti-abortion."

That's like saying Jewish voters have paid an enormous price in making all their candidates be anti-holocaust. If you believe, as most conservatives do, that abortion is the killing of innocent life, how could you possibly vote for somebody who endorses such murder?

Jeffrey
Nothing you just said had a lick of truth in it.
Sara Palin is not a religious extremist. The GOP was circling the drain when it allowed party members to move the party toward socialism. Is this what it comes down to you are a socilist. Why are all socialists liars? Perhaps America will one day be a great nation because everyone will be treated as equals when it comes to the right to life. Socialists are pigs.

let's assume everything you say is true
(which it isn't - a simple googling debunks most of your claims in seconds.)

you, david limbaugh, and your supporters have blood on your hands for blindly supporting an unnecessary war that has killed thousands of americans and tens of thousands of innocent civilians, and you wanted this war because you wanted to establish an empire, control oil, and exterminate muslims?

now you tell me - which is worse?

while you were at all, you also destroyed capitalism by socializing wall street, ruined the national infrastructure, left us more vulnerable to a terrorist attack, promoted torture, and ran up an enormous debt for our children. you cannot point to one (1) positive accomplishment during the last 8 years.

why the hell would ANYBODY listen to you or your conservative friends? you are immoral, un-ethical, and un-christian. if there is a hell, you and your supporters belong there.

A Very Good Article, But
Seeing in print all the points you listed about Obama's plans, ideas, and questionable statements makes me very sad and depressed. It is not a Democrat or Republican feeling, just an overwhelming sadness. I do not think this person has our best interest at heart.

RIght-wing Fairy Tale
"There's little doubt America is a center-right nation"

This despite the fact that Gore, called "very liberal" by your compatriots, won the popular vote and Kerry, called "extremely liberal," lost by a tiny percentage. And despite the fact that the liberal majority in the House and Senate is about to become the OVERWHELMING liberal majority. And the fact that Obama, called "the most extreme liberal in the history of the universe," is way ahead in the polls.

America isn't even center or center-left. That's why the conservative movement is well on the way to being a footnote in the history books. Buh-bye.

Why not read the article....
...and then make an effort to undertsnad what it says..........

Too many posts suggest lack of understanding of David Limbaugh's commentary.

THERE A COUPLE OF EXCEPTIONS IN THE POSTS.

But some of you are spouting off about other stuff while being direspectful of Mr. Limbaugh.

Why post if you don't know how to read?

GOP problem
the problem with the republican party is that they have pretty much abandoned conservatism & have moved to the center. centrists don't inspire the base.

JEFFREY:MI


Go to bed Jeffrey. It is past your bedtime, and you get delirious when you're tired.

Obama Election Means DowOf Four Thousand
BARRICK CHAVEZ OBAMA ELECTION MEANS FOUR THOUSAND DOW
lawrencehoule@yahoo.com

Roosevelt said - " The only thing to fear is fear itself. Well - ITS FEAR TIME. Within 3 days of Obama's election the Dow will collapse to FOUR THOUSAND. Obama's election with his income distribution and high taxes means the DESTRUCTION OF THE MIDDLE CLASS - A DOW OF FOUR THOUSAND turns 401k's into WORTHLESS paper.

Obama is America's Hugo Chavez. His high taxes and income redistribution will turn US into Venezuela. These policies like communist and socialist ideas lead to the destruction of the middle class and the impoverishment of the entire country. Venezuela was an incredibility rich country with a thriving middle class. Now it is an ECONOMIC DISASTER. The middle class was destroyed. If you want a SOCIALIST PARADISE like Venezuela vote Obama.


OBAMA: GREAT DEPRESSION: 15% UNEMPLOYMENT AND $10.00/GALLON/GAS


Obama high taxes means a SECOND GREAT DEPRESSION, 15% unemployment and his Iraq policies will lead to collapse of Iraqi government and oil soaring to $200.00/barrel and $10.00/gallon of gas. IRAQ IS AT THE CENTER OF THE OIL PRODUCING UNIVERSE. If Iraq falls oil will soar out of sight. This is the answer to Obama’s Afghan nonsense.

liberals
maybe one of you lefties can explain why you come to townhall & post your nonsense. ever hear of daily kos or huffington post? post your drivel there.

center right is alive and well
I travel North America extensively. I watch local media, read local media and talk to many typical Americans. Only the coastal elites think Obama's proposals and associations will be good for this country. Most of America hates the idea of wealth distribution. Most of America is terrified of what a President Obama would do to this country in regards to military and foreign policy.

The Obama camp spends tons of money trying to outshout Americans but I think we'll see on November 4 that America wants what they have had for most of the countries history: opportunity and freedom, not socialism and "rules for radicals."

Powell
David:
And Powell thinks what you mention really doesn't matter and people do not want to hear it. At this point we are fighting the politics of vapid, a priori, elitist ignorance. The only way McCain will pull this out is on the ground like Reagan did in 1980. Can he do it? According to John Kerry, sure, as long as he has his depends. As Mr. Gigante says, it's sick out there and getting sicker.
Jim
http://www.therightguyshow.com

lawrence houle
i meant to email this out 8 years ago:

GEORGE W. BUSH will ignore the warnings that will lead to the largest TERRORIST ATTACK ON AMERICAN SOIL, will force this country into an UNNECESSARY WAR that will kill THOUSANDS OF US SOLDIERS, will SOCIALIZE WALL STREET, will turn a surplus into a DEFICIT, will watch our country's infrastructure DETERIORATE, will inadequately respond to a DEVASTATING hurricane, will further DIVIDE the country and the WORLD, will BURST A HOUSING BUBBLE, will LEAVE CHILDREN BEHIND, and will ultimately CRUSH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

my bad - should have sent that one out i guess.

dave
are you off your meds? why are you spewing your nonsense here?

Dave:Ca
You seem very uptight and very very angry. California is the carefree happy state remember. Lighten up , and please try to make your points without being so disrespectful. I will bet you and the others here will enjoy it much more.

mike from il
please tell me which of my statements are inaccurate. add something to the discussion, if you are able.

kathy
the lemmings in the republican party have brought this country to disaster for the points i've mentioned, and they need to hear about it. fuuny how these "moral" people like to sweep things like war under the rug. so pathetic.

Whinner's Rant
Blame Bush for 911 2001.
Blame Bush for going to Iraq.
Blame Bush for Katrina.
Blame Bush for Hate America Syndrome.
Blame Bush for Free Trade.
Blame Bush for Stock Market Free Fall.
Blame Bush for the Mortgage Crisis.
Bush has one more problem. Telling like it really IS!
These problems migrated across the Aisle in Congress. The democrooks play "spin the pork barrel" and then blame BUSH.
Now the answer is give social communism a try. Find the most radical person with a shady background. Send a bunch of money to this person instead of paying your mortgage payments cause this guy will send you a check, give free health care, free education, and no taxes.
Buying votes with social welfare.

dave let me give you a different view.
"GEORGE W. BUSH will ignore the warnings that will lead to the largest TERRORIST ATTACK ON AMERICAN SOIL."

"I'm tired of swatting at flies, we need to work up a comprehensive strategy for countering the growing terroist threat" George Bush to Condi Rice in reference to the mounting incidents of terror activity. This occured before 911 and was one of the reasons we were able to mount a quick counteraction

The unnecessary war- look up public law 107-243 oct16 2002, its over 20 whereas statements explaining why Suddams Iraq was either in violation of UN res. or a threat to U.S. National Security was Passed by a Majority of the legislative branch. It also crushes the idea that we went for wmds alone.

Socializeing wall street and deficits-see U.S. Constitution- almost positive it is the congress who has authority to set budgets. Not that this removes Pres. from responsibility but it certainly allows for the fact that deficits are not the sole responsibility of any President. Nor are laws that allow gov. take over of private enterprise.

As to the rest of your list get it latter.


Amen, Brother !
Great laundry list, David. That pretty much says it all -- all bases covered. The guy's policies are clearly a disaster and the "ruse", amazingly, has been successful so far with so many. I am still astonished how so many are so willing to give their freedom (Liberty) over to the state--and see that as POSITIVE CHANGE!!?? Unbelievable.

Being a Liberal
Being a Liberal doesn't mean you are a bad person. It just means you believe people are unable to manage their own lives without some form of government help or control.

It means you believe in using the full power and force of the federal government to hurt one group of citizens in order to benefit another group of citizens.

It means you are willing to give up freedoms in exchange for jumping through government hoops to qualify and receive government hand-outs.

Attention Young voters
You may wonder why our country can not get its act together politically.

The reality is this.

When the country moves right, its because liberalism has failed.

When the country moves left, its because we forgot.

Dave the chirping Moonbat
Take it easy, Dave... Your'e hyperventilating..
Get yourself a paper bag and breathe into it for a few minutes.. Now, repeat after me - BUSH IS NOT RUNNING .. BUSH IS NOT RUNNING

from my blog
Wonderful Copenhagen, original lyrics by Frank Loesser

Blunderful, dunderful, Hopenchangin’
Obama’s mantra we sound
‘Neath his lantern bright
Shines a magic light
Let us think! He’ll bring us down
To blunderful, dunderful, Hopenchangin’
But does he mean you and me?
Once he’s there to stay
Will we rue the day?
Crying Hopenchangin’,
We want some wonderful, Hopenchangin’ from he!

I swear I’m not antiblack
But he’s not a brainiac
Though he’s artful, charm is his forte
And there they stand, Biden and he
With a message to charm and obey
Blunderful, dunderful, Hopenchangin’

(musical interlude as we picture Biden and Obama waltzing)

Blunderful, Dunderful, Hopenchangin’
Barry can only expound
See his resume
Nothing’s there you say?
Let us think! This man’s a clown!
For Blunderful, Dunderful, Hopenchangin’
Changin’ the land of the free?
Once he’s there to stay
Will we rue the day?
We bought Hopenchangin’
Blunderful, Dunderful, Hopenchangin’ from he?

Are you kidding?
Hiding his liberalism! I don't think so!

But let's discuss your brother. The first time
I ever heard him, he was on television. I
decided to watch because an acquaitance suggested
that I do so.

Among other outrages, he called Tipper Gore and
a group of 2 or 3 other very respectable and
lovely women, old biddies.

My opinion of him was indelible and it has
never changed. But today was the biggest
outrage of all. Colin Powell. I don't need
to say anything else to anybody.

Your brother is a disgrace. And anybody
who continues to give him the time of day
has very low standards indeed.

David & Rush
Carry on. Those of us who have a clue enjoy your commentary.

Steven: "Old Biddies?" got you upset?

What do you think of the personal attacks on Governor Palin? T-shirts with the C word? That okay with you? Or are you just upset with anyone who doesn't share your ideology?

Colin Powell has expressed his support of Affirmative Action. IMHO Affirmative Action is a racist directive. For Rush to characterize his support of Obama as indicative of racial preference (racism) is nothing but the truth.

Powell was quoted with disparaging Palin for 'lack of experience' and yet throws his support behind Obama??? LOL

Ken
"
When the country moves left, its because we forgot."

It is awfully hard to forget something that is
still happening. But nice try.

"It just means you believe people are unable to manage their own lives without some form of government help or control."

The above statement is correct. I am sure
that there are a few people who could do
everything themselves or at least get by
with those things which they can do. But I
do not pretend, by any stretch of the imagination, that I can do everything for myself, and I make no pretense that I can or
any apologies for the fact that I can't.

"It means you believe in using the full power and force of the federal government to hurt one group of citizens in order to benefit another group of citizens."

It is in no way a situation of hurting one
group to benefit another any more than buying
insurance is, or forcing children to go to
school.

"It means you are willing to give up freedoms in exchange for jumping through government hoops to qualify and receive government hand-outs."

If you pay into a system and later receive
benefits from said system, it is not a hand
out.

Useful Idiots

Check this out:


http://noliberalspin.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/08/the_video_ liberals_dont_want_you_to_see!_the_useful_idiots!.thtml


Oblahma-Bin-Biden can't be trusted to manage a three chair shoe-shine parlor...in Haiti!

Laurence Houle TX
My, my...you are being very optimistic! Only 15% unemployment ?

Try 25% unemployment with runaway inflation...
I've seen this "movie" before in East Europe and some South American countries.

With Oblahma you would see price controls and products quickly disappearing from shelves, blaming, of course, the "evil" and "greedy" dairies or whatever.

Oblahma-Bin-Biden can't be trusted to manage a three chair shoe-shine parlor...in Haiti!

Obama A Radical Socialist
Obama is a radical socialist, not a liberal. It's that bad.

Wake up, America. We are dealing with an attempt at a socialist takeover.

Limbaugh is, as usual, SPOT ON!

"OK, Let's Skip the Liberal Label".... and call it what it really IS...

* * * * * * * * SOCIALISM/MARXISM/COMMUNISM * * * * * * * *

Which is precisely WHY, in the past week or so, Marxist Obama and his mouth pieces have gone on the attack of "Joe the plumber" when Marxist Obama actually said those magic words.... "Redistribution of Wealth!"

jeff-OR #24 said it quite well.. "Great laundry list.." Except that it's a Great DIRTY laundry list.


Help McCain Win or suffer remorse later!
Help McCain Win or suffer remorse later!

Why is McCain behind? It’s the economy! Obama is blaming the Republicans, but who are the real culprits? It’s the Democrats!

Every American should know who caused our financial collapse which resulted in our 401ks and our home values to sink in value. We have been betrayed, not by the obvious greed of the banks, but by our congressmen who caused this to happen.

To understand how it happened see the TV special “Saving our economy”. Please view all six sections of this very clearly produced video by David Asman at the following link.
http://www.teleprompterpresident.com/2008/10/fnc-fbn-inves- 6.html

See what the villains said on video and who tried to stop them. See Clinton placing the blame on the congressional Democrats. Proceed to the following link.
http://www.teleprompterpresident.com/2008/09/shocking-video .html
or google the phase "Teleprompter Covering Up The Fannie Mae".

The Economy is what most people are concerned about. McCain can win on the economy if we promote a grass roots effort that will get the country angry at the real culprits. If Republicans send out email copies of this message like I did to everyone on my email address list, then McCain could win!

Elected public officials will only accept emails from their constituents. Therefore I have access to only a few Republican politicians. If enough people who receive this email will email their friends, Republican representatives at every level from local to the president and every conservative talk show host then America will get this message and McCain could win on the issue he is now losing.

Email Bob with your suggestions at netc@comcast.net


MSNBC's Ron Allen said to the former

Speaker, "But to be fair, her resume is not something we're familiar seeing with presidential candidates."

Gingrich's response: "Gov. Palin has been....
1. a mayor, Obama has NOT.

2. governor, Obama has NOT.

3. in charge of the Alaskan National Guard, Obama has NOT.

4. a whistleblower who defeated an incumbent mayor. He has never once shown that kind of courage, Obama has NOT.

5. a whistleblower who turned in the chairman of her own party and got him fined $12,000, Obama has NOT.

6. took on the incumbent governor of her own party and beat him, Obama has NOT.

7. beat a former Democratic governor in the general election, Obama has NOT."

As Gingrich said, "I don't know of a single thing Obama's done except talk and write."

Between Limbaugh's and Gingrich's extensive lists, it's absolutely amazing... no, STUNNINGLY AMAZING... that anyone with even a modicum of intelligence can't see that Marxist Obama will be the downfall of our great country!!

If the right was dead, Robert psuedo
Ranger, the left would not be so afraid of *liberal* and *socialist.*

Biden isn't even confident of whatever O is as he's warning supporters O will crawl under the desk in the Oval Office as soon as anything happens overseas.

Vote McCain/Palin for change that is believable in DC. Otherwise, you'll get the Robert/Rangers answering the phone is the White House.

O only knows about giving out your money
At Annenberg, he gave out $60,000,000 of someone else' money.

With only 143 days in the Senate, he gave out nearly $1 billion in your tax monies in earmarks.

That's liberalism at its best--take from one and give to someone else.

McCain has NEVER had an earmark, NEVER voted a rax raise, won't CRAWL under the desk in the Oval Office when the Islamists attack next, or FAINT when Iran bombs Israel.

Vote McCain/Palin for differences in DC you can believe.

yep
nobody can deny my laundry list of bush/republican failures. jeb bush in '16?

renny: How right you are! "With only 143

days in the Senate, he gave out nearly $1 billion in your tax monies in earmarks."

AND, he managed to do that while spending MOST of that time on the road... campaigning.

I'd HATE to think how much MORE money our resident Marxist would have spent, and damage he'd have done if he was actually in the US Senate, doing the job the people of Ill are paying him to do...

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What Liberal tolerance is like in NYC.

Must see video.

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Ret. Geek: Scary, isn't it?

But not surprising since the lunatic liberals in that video are so representative of Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals."

The truly sad, and very scary part is that these so-called "intellectuals" are walking and talking the Communist line, and they probably don't even know it.


renny
You mean you don't believe Ranger Robert is a McCain supporting Republican?

He says he is... while trashing all conservative columnists.

Ranger Robert - jackass, jackass, ssakcaj...

Female McCain Supporter attacked by lib

"As the media fumes over nonexistent hate at Palin speeches, it ignores leftists who go berserk on city streets."

The overly formal document doesn't mention this important detail: the victim was a small, quiet, middle-aged woman wearing glasses, and the attacker was a loud, angry man who went into orbit at the mere sight of McCain campaign signs.

"On a Monday afternoon, September 15, 2008, three McCain volunteers were holding campaign signs and distributing leaflets on a busy corner of 51st Street and Lexington Avenue.

As they were peacefully talking to each other, they were approached by a man who, in the words of the victim, provided the impression of "a rather benign, doughy-looking guy -- not a person I would have expected to assault me."

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-supporter-assaults-femal e-mccain-volunteer-in-new-york/


Nope

Dave, people are so tired of the same old talking points,
they will not waste time responding to them.

That does not mean you won, or are correct.

Anne et al

Wait until Barack Obama has his own 'Private Civilian Security Force".

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set," he said. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."
Barack Obama Speech July 2, 2008 Colorado Springs CO
------------------------------------------------

Obama ACORN Trainer and gave $800,000

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is a grassroots political organization.

ACORN invited Obama to help train its staff. Moreover, Obama eventually would sit on the Board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which gave a number of sizable grants to ACORN.

In April 2007 The Nation reported, “Today Obama continues his organizing work largely through classes for future leaders identified by ACORN and the Centers for New Horizons on the south side [of Chicago].”

1) ACORN is the largest radical group in America, with 175,000 dues-paying member families, and more than 850 chapters in 70 US cities.

2) ACORN is implicated in numerous reports of fraudulent voter registration, vote-rigging, voter intimidation, and vote-for-pay scams during the 2004 election.

In September 2008 the Board of Elections in Cuyahoga County, Ohio accused ACORN's paid workers, who had been tasked with registering as many pro-Democrat voters as possible, of submitting fraudulent voter-registration cards.

According to the Board, ACORN workers had commonly turned in separate cards with duplicate names but different addresses or different birth dates. Other cards listed people living at an address that was not a residence.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Attorney's office in Michigan indicated that it might prosecute ACORN for similar voter-registration scams in that state.

Obama and ACORN partnering in 'Voter Fraud' 'Change' and 'Hope' for America?

Chord: Right! In your dreams!
.

Anne in Pa

Are you agreeing with me regarding Dave the lib??

Just want to be sure...

Obama Investing our Money in Failure

Barack Obama's clarion call is to "Sacrifice for the Common Good" - to redistribute wealth, as Obama said to 'Joe the Plumber', "letting those behind catch up".

Who are these citizens that Obama will invest Joe's money in?

Hard working people that need 'Just a Helping Hand' to catch up?

Hard working students that need help to finish or continue their brilliant educations?

NO, Barack Obama wants to invest OUR money in criminals, those chronically unemployed and those students that have low levels of student academic achievement.

That is like picking the poorest performing stocks one can find and investing their retirement and 401K money in failure - hoping to help those companies that are on a course of bankruptcy, complete their goals.

We get to help criminals pursue their careers, those that won't work, continue not working (with some walking around money) and enable drug users, alcoholics and other addicts to continue their lifestyles.

"Establish 20 Promise Neighborhoods: Obama will create 20 Promise Neighborhoods in cities across the nation that have high levels of poverty and crime and low levels of student academic achievement." Barack Obama, Blueprint for Change

Barack Obama's 'Hope' and 'Change' = 'Investing in Failure' = coming to America with Joe's help.

Ann, RG, keep up the good work
I have to go contribute to the *worst economy ever* that is nowhere near the Carter disaster or the 10 years FDR made the Depression (we still have low interest rates, low inflation, and 6% unemployment for all the howling on the MSM)

and I just want to add that Mac is up s bit in the polls (Battleground) in FL and OH, even with O's ads 3-1 and Mac is only off 5 pts. or less in NM, CO, PA, and the other contested states, which is within any margin of errror.

Also, on thuggery, woman tv anchor found beaten in her home after reporting on McCain--more brown shirts and storm troopers a la the great O? Anyone who wants that future is insane.

Vote Mccain/Palin for believable changes in DC.

Ret.Geek:About Marxist Obama's "civilian

national security force"...????

Funny thing.. Should (God forbid) Marxist Obama win, there very well may be a "civilian
national security force" but not exactly what the Marxist had in mind.

I know of several people who are getting guns and permits to carry... if not BEFORE the election, certainly BEFORE Jan.


Dave, no prophet
Neither you nor Yep provided a laundry list of Bush/Republican failures. So there is nothing to deny.
Further Dave you claim to be a prophet based on the lame excuse that you meant to send out an email 8 years ago. Pathetic.
Even 8 years late you have got it all wrong. 9/11 is a legacy of Clinton's distractions, dithering and ineffectual actions against Islamic jihadists. The latter started waging war against the world in their current resurgence to achieve their 1400yo aims in the 1970s, 30 or so years, 7 Presidents ago. Bush is the only President who has done anything effective to stop them. That costs money, thus a major part of the deficit.
The proximate cause of the financial crisis is CRA, Clinton, Dodd, Frank and Obama with ACORN pushing for loans to unqualified buyers. The US infrastructure is in constant growth and repair. The inadequate response to Hurricane Katrina was by Louisiana's governor and NO Mayor Ray Nagin. See the photo of the buses parked half way underwater.
It is your beloved Lib Dems who have divided the country, Obama a chief among them as an at best Socialist, Communist, Black Seperatist and Muslim-influenced threat to the survival of a free US continuing as intended by our nation's founders.

Protest the Media - TODAY!!
It's "Protest the Media" Day. Time to send e-mails and acorns!

Visit http://www.protestthemedia.com

Let's Take Our Country BACK!!

Spread the word!

Flush
Obama will flush democracy down the drain. He is already trying to stifle investigations into ACORN. And his views on 2A are very well known.

Okay...
let's skip the liberal label. How about anti-American bigoted Socialist instead? Is that better?

Mr. Limbaugh
I gave up the "Liberal Label" when Obambi said he was running for POTUS. Socialist is a far better description!
Let's look at his record on Guns.

Obambi's record on Guns and our 2nd Amendment rights

“I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry”
Chicago Tribune, 4/27/04

“I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country”
(Gun ownership and restrictions on guns)
Politico 2/11/08

Votes:

Obama voted to allow the prosecution of people who use a firearm for self-defense in their homes.
Illinois Senate, S.B. 2165 VOTE 20, 3/25/04
On this one I will stick with, better judged by 12 than carried by 6!

Obama voted to limit gun purchases to one per month.
Illinois Senate, H.B. 2579 vote 34, 5/16/03

Mr. Obama
Those who turn their swords into plowshares will plow for those who do not.
And I will plow for no man.

OUTSTANDING ARTICLE, DAVID LIMBAUGH!
BO has been in PARTNERSHIPS with Ayers, Raila Odinga (2006), Rezko, the Marxist Chicago "Democratic" Socialists (see the New Party), Rev Wright, and Farrakhan among many, many others. He approved checks for Ayers' (see the anti-American "Peace School") and Acorn's "educational" projects, in addition to rubber stamping a $75,000 grant to Rashid Khalidi, a Yasser Arafat protege in the PLO, while Chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge and as a board member of the Woods Foundation.

His most recent actions, outlined in the article, simply validate his past history.

George Washington said “Associate with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for it is better to be alone than in bad company.” Exceptional words to assess the "presidential timber" of anyone.

But Wahington couldn't have forseen the advent of an agenda driven MSM as a cheerleader for an anti-American.

Why am I afraid?
Why do I fear Obama might win? Read Romans 1:18-32. (http://www.biblegateway.com)

We may end up with the government we deserve. Please pray for the LORD to forgive our nation, to heal it, and to give us wise Christian leaders who follow His way, not that of any earthly philosopher...


''Democratic'' no more
--
On the matter of labels, let's have something understood and accepted.

There is no such thing as a "Democratic Party" in America any more.

Yes, there's a party on the left, national in scope.

More than ever now, with the gaffes of Barack the Mocha Messiah in hand, we know that they're explicitly socialist in aspirations, policies, and design upon the American people's lives, liberties, and property.

Henceforth, therefore, all politicians spuriously hanging a "(D)" after their names are to be properly considered members of the National Socialist Party.

And with their union ties so important an element in their political efforts, we may have to start calling their conspiracy the National Socialist (Democrat) Workers' Party.


Hm. Sounds familiar somehow, doesn't it?




=====
"The essential characteristic of Western civilization that distinguishes it from the arrested and petrified civilizations of the East was and is its concern for freedom from the state. The history of the West, from the age of the Greek polis down to the present-day resistance to socialism, is essentially the history of the fight for liberty against the encroachments of the officeholders."

-- Ludwig von Mises

ILLINOIS DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL JINX
Every Democratic candidate for President who was linked to Illinois by either birth or residence lost to his Republican rival. This has happened six times in history: three for William Jennings Bryan, two for Adlai Stevenson and one for Stephen Douglas (who ran against Lincoln in 1860). Now the Democrats are running their 4th Illinois candidate, a man less qualified for office than the other three, hoping that after 148 years a six failures to finally break their Illinois presidential jinx. Oddly, if the Illinois born Hillary Clinton were the Democratic nominee, or Barack Obama's running mate, the victory would have been practically guaranteed and the jinx put into the dust bin of history.

Click ApolloSpeaks and read more about the great Illinois jinx for Democratic presidential candidates.


defining the Obama Label
Just call him the Manchurian Candidate ... except for the fact that Obama didn't need to be programed. Better yet call him the Trojan Horse Candidate. Better still label him an America Hating, Lying Commie Racist, Phony Christian Wolf in Sheep'Clothing, Secualar Humanist, Globalist Totalatarian, Babbling Evil Moron. There that's much better.

Everyone, but especially the trolls
Check out this link.

To the liberals, this is probably longer than you're used to reading, but if you can hang with it, and can honestly read it and think about what it's saying, you may learn something.

Here it is:

http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/081017light.html


Obamanation
Obama promised McCain to use the Presidential Campaign Fund, and then reneged when advisors promised more money. This proves a severe lack of integrity. But his rationale was even more eggregious, explaining that his previous promise was naieve and misinformed. And now he enjoys an estimated $60 million in FOREIGN
Obama's promise of the Freedom of Choice Act will allow the incestuous father to obtain abortion for his victim daughter, or the promiscusous rebellious daughter to falsely accuse her victim father of her pregnancy, all with taxpayer dollars, and no evidence because the abortion was performed without restrictions.
Obama's support of homosexual marriage will make preaching the Gospel hate speech, condemned and prosecutable, even though homosexual conduct is responsible for a far higher percentage of deadly health consequences than smoking cigarettes.
Obama's support of the Fairness Doctrine will limit speech to only those that agree with his radical agenda. It will allow freedom to promulgate his lies without challenge or right of cross examination.
Obama's litmus test for appointment of federal judges will further strengthen his radical agenda for generations.
If Obama wins, then I will have no alternative but to agree with Dr. John MacArthur - God has removed His blessing from the USA. Obama's beloved family pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, will finally be right - God has d*mned America.

RE: Anne and tolerance
Perhaps they've just decided to take chapter and verse from the democrats, they are the real experts on intolerance and hate speech.

Let's consider some of the catchy slogans they've developed in the last few weeks:

Sarah Palin is a c*unt.
Abort Sarah Palin.

Nice, huh? There has been an incredible lowering of public discourse in the last several years going back to the left losing in 2000. Get the f over it!

The adults are getting tired of you children crying all the time, or, as my mother used to say 'you kids quit your crying or I'll give you something to cry about', now go get ready for your spanking!

Obama's Radical + Communist Alliances

I have posted on my blog, just 11 of Barack Obama's 'Radical and Communist Alliances'.

http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/21/obamas_radical_ and_communist_alliances.thtml

WISDOM FROM GRANDMA

....."Son, if you lie down with dogs you will get fleas" ...

.....Obama has fleas, ticks, crabs and cooties .....COLOSSUS

anne
who has a problem with dissent? i occasionally check out the liberal sites to try to understand their point of view but i never post there. what is the point? i am not going to change any minds & the chances of getting a rational debate are nil.
i don't have an issue with libs posting here as long as it turns into an honest give & take. but what we get out of these morons is slogans that we have all heard before & no attempt at an honest debate. worse yet, in a slanderous way they attempt to define conservatism as though they know better than i do where i stand & what i believe. when i call them on it i get nothing but more drivel. is that your idea of the free exchange of ideas?

Based on actions....
Based entirely upon BO's actions, his priorities are to look out for radicals, misfits, and goof offs.

BO has accomplished nothing to improve the economic well being of working middle class Americans.

The Democrats have accomplisehd hardly anything to improve the standard of living for working midle class Americans.

joe the plumber
look what happens when conservatives dissent. joe's entire private life has been exposed: apparently he is not a real plumber because he is not licensed ( being in the trades myself, you only need to be licensed to pull permits. joe currently has a boss who i am sure deals with that), his tax liability is now public knowledge & apparently he is a fraud because he goes by his middle name.
the left has issued a clear warning: if you oppose the mighty obama, prepared to meet the same fate. free country my behind.

Ask Yourself this Question?

Do you believe that every United States Citizen should have the same rights and protections under the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights - no more - no less?

center right poppycock
Why keep repeating this mantra that "the US is a center-right nation"? David Limbaugh, you find a way to insert this refrain into every single article you write. It reeks of wishful thinking. Also, it betrays a naive belief that people can be reduced to their feelings about politics. You might just as easily say, "the US is a nation of borrowers" or "the US is a nation of people who never went to college" or "the US is a nation of fatties." Obviously, these cliches cannot be completely true, given that Obama is probably going to win this election. But there are a large number of people to whom they do apply. What I'm sure you will never ponder, David Limbaugh, is the possibility that their debt, lack of education, and overweight are in any way connected to their "center right" beliefs.

Anne in NC #65 writes: "What bothers me

most of all about today's Republican party is the total lack of tolerance for any voice that does not drink the party koolaid."

Really? I suggest that you view the video that Ret. Geek posted in post #42.


I'll even make it easy for you..........

"What Liberal tolerance is like in NYC.
Must see video."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQalRPQ8stI

And then there's an article linked in Ret. Geek's post #46.

"'As they were peacefully talking to each other, they were approached by a man who, in the words of the victim, provided the impression of "a rather benign, doughy-looking guy -- not a person I would have expected to assault me.'"

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-supporter-assaults-femal e-mccain-volunteer-in-new-york/


AFTER you'd viewed that video and read the column, we can talk..... IF you still have a question, that is!



Few Exceptions
With few exceptions, why are posters from California (such as "Volta") so intellectually bankrupt?

Can't they view their own state and see what will happen to the nation as a whole if the left has complete power?

Liberals - so open-minded their brains have fallen out.

Yes, we can skip the "liberal" label

since Obama blew right by "liberalism," passed "socialism" (but collected WAY MORE than $200 and jumped head first into Marxism.

And what's worse, (if anyone can even imagine such a thing!) it looks like we're going to have, not only a Marxist Congress, but a filibuster proof Marxist Congress.

Now, there's a nightmare!

all lies but one
"--His constant references to America's former greatness and his promises to restore our position of respectfulness in the world, betraying his full agreement that we've earned this supposed international disrespect. "

The Bush Regime with torture, unnecessary war, rendition and Cuba prison. Gross incompetence, lost cities, decaying healthcare and education all have resulted in tarnishing the shining city on the hill. Heck Bush the torturer and his fellow fundamentalist conservatives dragged our city down from the hill into the mud and mire. Your day is well nigh over

By the way, David your melt down is yet another indication that you think that Obama might just be our next president. I hope your thinking is right

Retired Geek
I went to your link.

You're AWESOME MAN!!

Thanks for the service you are providing to our country.

Everybody ought to read your carefully researched material.

I love you man.

OncealwaysaMarine: Ret.GEEK is the best.



BUT, you're NOT SO BAD YOURSELF!!!!!!






Hal Doofas scribbles:
The Bush Regime with torture, unnecessary war, rendition and Cuba prison. Gross incompetence, lost cities, decaying healthcare and education all have resulted in tarnishing the shining city on the hill. Heck Bush the torturer and his fellow fundamentalist conservatives dragged our city down from the hill into the mud and mire. Your day is well nigh over

By the way, David your melt down is yet another indication that you think that Obama might just be our next president. I hope your thinking is right

The only torturer I see here is you, with your constant harping on your SOCIALIST nominees' greatness. Yet said nominee has accomplished nothing of substance. Name me one bill, one resolution, one time he has done anything other than vote present 129 in the Illinois legislature, and work 143 days in the last 4 years to the job to which he was elected. I would love to work 36 days a year and draw $150k+ a year.

BTW, I do believe that GWB got NCLB passed along with the Medicare Prescription program. Both programs had major Dumba**crap inputs.

When it come to education and how well libs run it. one only need look at most major urban districts. They spend way more than the national average with dismal results. Then again most libs end up sending their kids to private schools, so they are not exposed to the disaster they have caused in public education.

Anne
Date: Oct 21, 2008 - 11:27 AM EST ...Now, there's a nightmare! "

All your lies aside this election looks a lot like not a nightmare but justice.

BO Dangerously Inept and ILL Prepapared
The silver lining of an Obama presidency and a Demorcatic Congress along w/ an unapologetically leftist media is that America would experience everything horrible which conservatives have been arguing would ensue if such plays out. Rather than theorize which political philosophy is superior (liberalism vs. conservatism), we'll have the hard data to prove which political philosophy is superior.

The downside is that experience, though the best teacher, is the most expensive, and the price America will pay for attaining this hard data is likely irreparable -- irreparable in terms of (1) constitutionally irresponsible Supreme Court Justices (remember these black robe wearing clowns retain their jobs for life with no check on their authority save for their consciences which liberals lack entirely); (2) irreparable in terms of national security domestically and internationally -- do ya think Putin, Al Quada, Hmas Hezbollah Iran, North Korea would be more inclinced to test a President Obama or a President McCain?); (3) a revamping of the fundamental tax structure which on a spectrum between free market capitalism and socialism is much closer to socialism under Obama than under McCain and we know this by Obama's and Biden's very own words.

In short, Obama's far leftist liberalism is too dangerous to conduct an experiment with simply to prove a point. America reecovered from the disasterous Carter Administration but only after 8 years of a true American hero of a President in Reagan -- we were lucky. Obama makes Jimmy Carter look like a God send in comparison. Obama is a very very very dangerous man and should not run a Dairy Queen much less the United States of America.

Hal Doofass
Justice for whom? I'm betting you and your fellow SOCIALISTS are already figuring out ways to explain the massive tax increases on everyone that Brickhead Obugout is preparing. I remember the last Dumba**crap nominee who "promised" a middle class tax cut. My taxes went way up even though my income went down.

donahooey, our wanna be SATIRIST...

(and racist!) has WEIGHED in (at the truck weight-in on Rte. 81.)

You go right ahead and think it's a "melt-down." Enjoy your pipe-dream while you can.

Thought you'd like to see THIS!!

"Poll Suggests U.S. Troops Support McCain 3-1"

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/21/poll-troops-support -mccain/

"A MILITARY TIMES poll indicates LANDSLIDE SUPPORT FOR JOHN McCAIN, who captures 68 percent of the military vote to Barack Obama's 23 percent.

"A poll by the Military Times newspaper group suggests that there is OVERWHELMING support for John McCain among U.S. troops in EVERY BRANCH of the armed forces by a nearly 3-1 margin.

"According to the poll, 68 percent of active-duty and retired servicemen and women support McCain, while 23 percent support Barack Obama. The numbers are nearly identical among officers and enlisted troops."

LMAO :-)

Anne writes:
You go right ahead and think it's a "melt-down." Enjoy your pipe-dream while you can.

Thought you'd like to see THIS!!

"Poll Suggests U.S. Troops Support McCain 3-1"

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/21/poll-troops-support -mccain/

"A MILITARY TIMES poll indicates LANDSLIDE SUPPORT FOR JOHN McCAIN, who captures 68 percent of the military vote to Barack Obama's 23 percent.

"A poll by the Military Times newspaper group suggests that there is OVERWHELMING support for John McCain among U.S. troops in EVERY BRANCH of the armed forces by a nearly 3-1 margin.

"According to the poll, 68 percent of active-duty and retired servicemen and women support McCain, while 23 percent support Barack Obama. The numbers are nearly identical among officers and enlisted troops."

LMAO :-)

Anne, the Doofass won't believe it, since the story is not from the NYT, LAT, WAPO, or his own hometown "Newspaper."

blame the media
If conservatives want to make a comeback after the pasting they are about to get in this election, they are going to have to do some serious soul searching and get off this "blame the media" nonsense. The conservative movement has been hijacked by religious extremists and anti-intellectuals who have continued to alienate more and more of the electorate. While most of you hear might want to go back to the glory days when only half the country voted and you could carve out narrow victories, those days are gone and aren't coming back. If the conservative movement is to be relevant in the future, its going to have to develop a message and policies that have broad acceptance. If you don't, the GOP will simply be a southern regional party. The politics of hate and exclusion aren't going to work anymore. If you look at most of the postings on this website, they are all about how terrible Obama is and almost nothing about why someone should vote for conservative republicans. Call me all the names you want but that isn't going to change the demographic shifts in the country and the electorate. Conservatives will either embrace the future and create a more tolerant movement or become a non factor in national politics.

donahoooey the racist, wouldn't know a

lie from the truth!!!

How easily our resident satirist and racist throws around words such a "lies" and "justice" without a wit of knowledge of what either word really means.

Not quite sure how an ACORN victory can be called anywhere close to justice.... What is it now? Twelve states? Thirteen states?

Just a bunch of thugs, trained by.... who was that again... .ummm..... Oh yeah! Barack Marxist Obama! Yeah, that's it!



LMAO :-)

Mod Mark writes:
If you want an honest assessment of the crisis, how can this author ignore the effect of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 bill.

If the bill was so bad why didn't PRESSIDENT WILLIAM JEFFERSON BLYTHE CLINTON veto it?

Cokehead con.
Our nation has become so jaded and perverted molded by the lefts' need for self destruction.

TRUTH vs LIE…

TRUTH and not politics should be printed and spoken when ever and where ever it is being disparaged. For without “The Truth” being known, we find ourselves at this point in history. History has shown that our Freedom and Liberty is rooted in “The Truth”; and prevails only when “Un-truths” are confronted and dispelled. The source of these “Un-truths” must be known and made to acknowledge these “Un-truths”; for what they are, “LIES”.

Those that believe there is no such thing as “RIGHT” and “WRONG” cannot see anything but shades of gray. They will believe these “Un-truths” without questioning them. History has also shown that those who believe without questioning are the first to die by the millions.

I am sick of the media disgorging lies and half-truths; and politicians doing what they want, without regard for the common man and doing what is best for America. Doing the politically correct thing instead of doing “WHAT IS RIGHT” for America and the common man is WRONG; and will be the down-fall of the greatest and most benevolent Nation on this Earth.


ModMark
Man, not only are you ignorant, but quite stupid as well.

Apparently your reading comprehension is not very good at all.

Why don't you take the article and go find a tutor to help ya through it, and then come back once you've reached some kind of understanding?

LMAO (permission not needed from the barstoolwarmer)

Lumberjack: Oh yeah, I forgot. Liberal =

Brain dead!

Well, IF the NY "Inquirer" Times ran the poll results, it would be the same....

Among the MILITARY, active and retired, they support McCain OVERWHELMINGLY!

Ouch! That's gotta hurt! :-(

LMAO :-)

Lumberjack7392
"Date: Oct 21, 2008 - 11:43 AM EST Hal...Heck Bush the torturer and his fellow fundamentalist conservatives dragged our city down from the hill into the mud and mire. Your day is well nigh over

By the way, David your melt down is yet another indication that you think that Obama might just be our next president. I hope your thinking is right

"The only torturer I see here is you, with your constant harping on your SOCIALIST nominees' greatness."

Now there you go silly man believing your own talking points. We are not talking about Obama's greatness. We are talking about his ability to lead and envision a better future for the US as he said "America is better than this". See this is your problem; you lost sight of the fact that the president is supposed to be first among equals not some dictator to follow blindly.

"Yet said nominee has accomplished nothing of substance..."

Do you really belive this? It is a talking point nothing more go read his resume. But for the veterans here. I do want to point out he was a Senate co-sponsor of the New GI Bill. You know the one McCain opposed and then was the only Senate member to not be present to vote for the bill.


lumber 2
"BTW, I do believe that GWB got NCLB passed along with the Medicare Prescription program. Both programs had major Dumba**crap inputs."

NCLB was grossly underfunded and standards watered down. Prescription bill has major flaws but it is good an "fixible". And he will actually be praised for his AIDs funding.

"When it come to education and how well libs run it. one only need look at most major urban districts. They spend way more than the national average with dismal results."

You had all this time to fix it. Why didn't you? This is exactly my point, you could not govern or compromise as necessary to accomplish your goals in a free society. In short, education is a great example of your unfitness to lead

"Then again most libs end up sending their kids to private schools, so they are not exposed to the disaster they have caused in public education."

Really? Who do you think fill our schools? My kids went to local schools wherever we live

Mod Mark writes:
Any opinions on Powell's support of Obama?

Yeah diplomacy worked real well in 1939 with Hitler,in 1950 with Kim Il-Sung, in 1990 with Saddam, in 1860 with Jefferson Davis, in 1776 with George III. I could go on, but it would be pointless with you.

Lumberjack: Just MORE of donahooey

demonstrating what he DOESN'T know...

I believe it was Mark Twain who said,

"Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

yet these intellectually challenged liberals keep coming to TH and removing ALL DOUBT!

LMAO


Hal Doofass scribbles:
Do you really belive this? It is a talking point nothing more go read his resume. But for the veterans here. I do want to point out he was a Senate co-sponsor of the New GI Bill. You know the one McCain opposed and then was the only Senate member to not be present to vote for the bill.

And just how many other cosponsors of the bill were there. Cosponsoring a bill is about meaningless, as most bills have a number of cosponsors.

I've read his resume'. My dachshund's is more impressive.

BTW, Doofass, have you ever taught in an inner city school? If not, then you have no clue what the problems are, and more money will not solve them.

Anne
"Date: Oct 21, 2008 - 11:53 AM EST....Thought you'd like to see THIS!!

"Poll Suggests U.S. Troops Support McCain 3-1"

LMAO I guess you cannot read LOL. The Times says right out there the poll is unscientific why don't you check Zogby/Reuters they say Obama has the nod and then there is today's Toronto Star http://www.thestar.com/News/USElection/article/520916

There is little doubt now that the military family supports Obama. That Times Poll was out before. FOX opinion news is trying to offset the Powell endorsement.

Just received this from a vet in the Philly burbs: "I have been talking to my friends who are R's...it seems many of them are saying that the Powell endorsement is the nail in McCain Campaign's coffin. They are giving up the fight already."

Anne;
What did I tell you? the Doofass is reduced to citing a very liberal CANADIAN paper for supporting his facts. I'm surprised he has not cited his own articles on the HuffPuke for backup.

Mod Mark
"Date: Oct 21, 2008 - 12:03 PM EST Subject: Sorry Hal

I do not love you, never will. It is a guy thing.

You are a very nice and likable guy."

Ahhh geeee LOL thanks for that I am certain my wife would not approve

"Any opinions on Powell's support of Obama?"

It has been coming and he has said he stained his record with the Iraq and UN speech. He was a real disappointment to a lot of us because he didn't stand up and resign like so many of the other generals. I like the guy and think he will be an administration asset. Ambassador to the UN would be my vote


There he goes again.
Hal Doofass is again citing his own articles as proof of his arguments.

Mod Mark
"Date: Oct 21, 2008 - 12:32 PM EST Subject: Hey Hal
Want to see the true Anne, go read Burt's column yesterday, post 270, 271 and 277."

Did that really surprize you? She has a tendancy to be bitter and nasty especially as the day goes on...

Stupie scribbles:
Are you people really that dense... do you really not see that america doesn't give a rat's a$$ about Ayres?

Except many do. They believe in the old adage, "You are known by the company you keep,' and Obama's company is frighteningly anti-American

Mod Mark/ Lumberjack
"Date: Oct 21, 2008 - 12:41 PM EST Lumberjack
"Yeah diplomacy worked real well in 1939 with Hitler,in 1950 with Kim Il-Sung, in 1990 with Saddam, in 1860 with Jefferson Davis, in 1776 with George III. "

The Cold War ended through diplomacy. What was at stake was the entire planet. War equals failure to properly execute foreign policy. You have been reading to many comic books or playing too many games

Lumber: The donahooey, the poor deluded

racist. Always an excuse or rationalization to facilitate his self deception.

Typical rationalization; "constructing a logical justification for a belief, decision, action or lack thereof that was originally arrived at through a different mental process."

A typical defense mechanism to justify his unacceptable behaviors and though process, so he can avoid the true explanation.


Most Executive Experience?

My little 7 year old granddaughter ran a leomade stand this summer. Purchased her own products, set the prices, kept her own books and made a profit.

Barack Obama organized communities paid by nefarious sources, never purchased products, never st prices, never kept books and has NEVER had a profit.

Barack Obama says he knows how to invest our money better than we can - he only knows how to take someone elses money..

My granddaughter has more executive experience than Barack Obama and was using her own money that she earned doing chores.

Sacrifice for the Common Good

The idea that 'Sacrifice For The Common Good' supersedes private interests and rights can have but one meaning: that the interests and rights of some 'Collectivist Group' take precedence over the interests and rights of others.

Anyone who has ever studied Game Theory in mathmatics has heard about 'Zero Sum Theory'.

One of the things I learned in Game Theory was that 'zero sum' is an interaction in which one participant's gains result only from another's equivalent losses.

When Liberals and Democrats (collectivists) institute their solutions like 'Affirmative Action', the rights they give to the 'collectivist group' in favor, results in taking rights from others who are in dis-favor or in other words "moral equivalence".

Every United States Citizen should have the same rights and protections under the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights - no more - no less.

Liberals and Democrats believe this "moral equivalence" promotes justice and the well being of the American Citizen and displays the Liberal "moral superiority" over Conservatives.

Barack Obama's clarion call to "Sacrifice for the Common Good" - to redistribute wealth, as Obama said to 'Joe the Plumber', "letting those behind catch up".

Karl Marx's slogan, 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs'.

Someone explain the difference?

Hal Doofass scribbles:
The Cold War ended through diplomacy. What was at stake was the entire planet. War equals failure to properly execute foreign policy. You have been reading to many comic books or playing too many games

Doofass: The Cold War ended when the people of the Eastern bloc finally decided they'd had enough of their governments. The USSR and the rest imploded because the rulers lost the "consent of the governed." John Locke was right there. Additionally, the economic system could not keep up to consumer demand, and meet basic needs. Try reading a little history. You might learn something, but I seriously doubt it.

Hal Doanhue
The Cold War ended because of a massive military build-up that a communist economy couldn't keep up with and the absolute and clear message that we would not back down. Diplomacy worked because we carried a big stick and waited for a change of leadership in the USSR to emerge that would be willing to talk and negotiate. Is there any doubt that if weren't so obviously prepared to fight if necessary that the diplomacy would have failed? The reason that diplomacy has failed so often in the past, is that the forces of evil were convinced that we would not act. Diplomacy only has a chance to work if ready action is believable and parties on both sides are willing to negotiate. Those who Obama would meet with are not interested in changing in any meaningful way, and would not believe that Obama would do anything anyway. All we would see is lots of talk while our enemies strengthened themselves. Everyone wants diplomacy to prevent war, what you and others need to realize is that sometimes it fails because you can't work with the other side.

Reason Obama is getting his way!!
Please read this information about the use of hypnosis by Barach Obama.


http://www.pennypresslv.com/Obama%27s_Use_of_Hidden_Hypnosi s_techniques_in_His_Speeches.pdf this is scary!

Obama + ACORN + Communists = Family

"...Two months later, on January 31, in this hall, we held an extraordinary national conference which established our framework for the 2004 elections.

The conference was extraordinary because of the turnout of 250 plus multi-racial, multi-national activists from states large and small across our land. It was extraordinary because of the message of leaders from other organizations who came and called upon us, that our presence was much needed as Communists.

Remember the president of NY NOW telling us she wanted to see lots of red flags at the March for Women’s Lives.

And the chair of ACORN and Working Families Party who called upon us as family to make our contribution known. Did we respond? YES, we responded!

Across the country, we rolled up our sleeves, in swing states and so-called safe states.

In voter registration drives, local races and Congressional battlegrounds. Walking precincts and working phone banks out of union halls.

In presidential battleground states from Ohio, Missouri, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to Minnesota and New Hampshire, our folks were quickly tapped to help lead the work."

Author: Joelle Fishman, Chair,
Political Action Committee, Communist Party USA
First published 11/23/2004 18:42

Lumberjack7392
"Date: Oct 21, 2008 - 12:33 PM EST Anne;
What did I tell you? the Doofass is reduced to citing a very liberal CANADIAN paper for supporting his facts. I'm surprised he has not cited his own articles on the HuffPuke for backup. "

Look at this point I just want you folks to keep ranting and raving,,, big Grin here

Hear Voter Fraud - think Obama

When watching the various investigations of ACORN by almost every state - remember Barack Obama and ACORN goes way back. ACORN = The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

"I’ve been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work." — Barack Obama, Speech to ACORN, November 2007.

ACORN is a private corporation that refuses to release its financial statements, NOT a Non-profit, yet Barack Obama made multiple grants to ACORN while with the Woods Foundation.

Tito Munoz GETS IT! LIBERALS don't!

After the McCain/Palin rally in Woodbridge, VA, Tito Munoz managed to get an audience with the MSM.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NWRhZDE1ODdiYzRiMzcyMW M5NzNjMWMxMDQ1ZDRkYzI=

"Munoz said he owned a small construction business. 'I have a license, if you guys want to check,' he said.

"Someone asked why Munoz had come to the rally. 'I support McCain, but I’ve come to face you guys because I’m disgusted with you guys,' he said. 'Why the hell are you going after Joe the Plumber? Joe the Plumber has an idea. He has a future. He wants to be something else. Why is that wrong? Everything is possible in America. I made it. Joe the Plumber could make it even better than me. . . . I was born in Colombia, but I was made in the U.S.A.'”


GET THAT??? "I was born in Colombia, but I was made in the U.S.A.”

Munoz didn't come to the US because it was a socialist country. He came to the US because it was a capitalist country where he knew he had a chance to make something of himself and his life.

Obviously something he KNEW he COULDN'T DO in his socialist homeland!!!


Steve from Illonois

Well Steve, Being a liberal does mean one is willing to use the full force and power of the Federal Government to hurt one group in order to help another group.

Based upon my earnings, I can afford to pay for my childrens college education without any help from anyone. No grants, No scholarships, no help from anyone.

However, because my tax burden exceeds 50% of my earnings with Federal,State and local taxes, I can not afford to pay for my kids college education.

To add insult to injury, I don't qualify for any, none, zero, zippo, nada financial aid by the same government that took my money from me in the first place.

So people like liberals who support higher taxes are hurting my family.

As far as your admitting your inabiltiy to take care of yourself, You have my sympathy. Perhaps you could look into suing the School System that failed to prepare you for life.

Some can't read polls
McCain is gaining in OH and FL and only off 5 pts. in CO, MO, and NM, which is within the margin of error.

When polls ask 550 Dems. and 300 Reps. and produce results of O up 3 pts., whadda surprise.

The real shock is O is not up 20 or 25 pts.

He's not up 15 in NJ which is 3-1 Dem. registration.

Murdtha and the usual suspects are busy calling the entire country racist, as if that will somehow FORCE people to vote for someone who will provoke an international incident as JOE BIDEN JUST PREDICTED.

McCain leads O in all polls by 20-25% on experience, foreign policy, and trustworthiness.

I think when people
--not the fish registered by ACORN in the OH River or Mickey Mouse in FL--
but real voters get in the privacy of the polling booth
and do not have *journalists* like the sk*nk who trolled Facebook for dirt on Cindy McCain from classmates of her children,
real voters will vote the country's best interests which is
MCCAIN/PALIN FOR CHANGES IN DC YOU CAN BELIEVE.

Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin…
Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin…”A No-brainer”

“A no-brainer”…yes…fortunately we all have brains; it is just that many never learned to use them. They did not need too, for doing what feels good without thinking is how a liberal/socialist society flourishes and immediately begins its decline.

Obama states the obvious, unity, hope and change which do not need to be said, over and over again. However, Obama reminds me of others throughout history, with their charismatic ability to so quietly and enchantingly say one thing and mean and do another; and people will shake their heads in approval of the very things they oppose. What is amazing is they actually believe they have agreed with him. What is really very scary is that history has also proven time and again; that those willing to agree without thinking and questioning are the first to die by the millions.

This election will set the course of this nation for the next two decades. I fear that the voting public does not really understand the choice they face: one way holds only the promise of security and big entitlements, but it carries a huge price tag of more expanded governmental power at the expense of our individual liberties. My hope is that voters will choose the more difficult path of liberty and a sense for limited government; so that the American culture for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness may once again triumph.


smallguy_bigheart
"Date: Oct 21, 2008 - 1:02 PM EST Subject: Hal Doanhue
The Cold War ended because of a massive military build-up that a communist economy couldn't keep up with and the absolute and clear message that we would not back down. Diplomacy worked because we carried a big stick and waited for a change of leadership in the USSR to emerge that would be willing to talk and negotiate. "

You just defined victory by diplomacy. It isn't being warm and fuzzy it is being strong and tough. There was a faction in the Soviet Union as in the US (Perle was in this group) who wanted to fight it out but the Soviets knew they would lose having to confront the whole western world

"Is there any doubt that if weren't so obviously prepared to fight if necessary that the diplomacy would have failed? The reason that diplomacy has failed so often in the past, is that the forces of evil were convinced that we would not act."

Or gambled that we would not pay the price. That is why Bush the torturer kept abusing the Guard and reserve forces sending them back over and over and stop lossing everyone. He knew the US did not think that Iraq was worth the price. The American people were correct.

" ....Those who Obama would meet with are not interested in changing in any meaningful way, and would not believe that Obama would do anything anyway."

You under estimate Obama and the above is why you use pressure when and where you can. That was Korea and Vietnam battlefields

"All we would see is lots of talk while our enemies strengthened themselves. Everyone wants diplomacy to prevent war, what you and others need to realize is that sometimes it fails because you can't work with the other side. "

Not true at all you force the other side by removing options to move. The Bush Regime is actually disarming the US military units grossly underequipped and wings falling off overused aircraft.

Obama and Lenin

Lenin taught and practiced "The End Justifies the Means".

Barack Obama has taken the Prophet Lenin's statement to a higher level.


http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/21/obamas_radical_ and_communist_alliances.thtml

Steven
Yes, hiding his liberalism.

Obama was on television last night adamantly denying that he is a socialist and was lambasting John McCain for calling him one.

If socialism is so great, why does Obama deny that he is one?

Can Obama be 'Underestimated' NO

HalD wrote: "...You under estimate Obama..."

How could anyone underestimate Barack Obama?

Barack Obama has NEVER accomplished anything other than block any medical aid to suffering and dying children.

That is why Barack Obama supporters cheer when he wipes his nose - they know he has FINALLY accomplished something.


Hal Doofass scribbles:
Lumberjack7392
"Date: Oct 21, 2008 - 12:33 PM EST Anne;
What did I tell you? the Doofass is reduced to citing a very liberal CANADIAN paper for supporting his facts. I'm surprised he has not cited his own articles on the HuffPuke for backup. "

Look at this point I just want you folks to keep ranting and raving,,, big Grin here

Who's ranting and raving? I was just pointing out your debate tactics. And it took 2 posts before you cited yourself as a source.

Forty Years of Investing in Failure

Barack Obama wants to continue the Democrat and Liberal failure.

Barack Obama's clarion call is to "Sacrifice for the Common Good" - to redistribute wealth, as Obama said to 'Joe the Plumber', "letting those behind catch up".

Who are these citizens that Obama will invest Joe's money in?

Hard working people that need 'Just a Helping Hand' to catch up?

Hard working students that need help to finish or continue their brilliant educations?

NO, Barack Obama wants to invest OUR money in criminals, those chronically unemployed and those students that have low levels of student academic achievement.

That is like picking the poorest performing stocks one can find and investing their retirement and 401K money in failure - hoping to help those companies that are on a course of bankruptcy, complete their goals.

We get to help criminals pursue their careers, those that won't work, continue not working (with some walking around money) and enable drug users, alcoholics and other addicts to continue their lifestyles.

"Establish 20 Promise Neighborhoods: Obama will create 20 Promise Neighborhoods in cities across the nation that have high levels of poverty and crime and low levels of student academic achievement." Barack Obama, Blueprint for Change

Barack Obama's 'Hope' and 'Change' = 'Investing in Failure' = coming to America with Joe's help.

Anne-Primus-LJ7392-CFriar-Doc-Others
OH LOOK, The Astroturfers AKA The Keyboard Cowards are here. WHY do Liberals REFUSE to admit they are LIBERALS? I have tried to get The MOONIEST of BATS on here to admit mid they are Liberals. All I get is, “I am a Moderate/Liberal Leaning Independent/Progressive” and other Gutless Tripe. A Jellyfish has more backbone than ACORN Hussein Obama. He NEVERS takes a stand! He HAS NOT taken a stand on Ayers, ACORN, Wright or ANYTHING else. He just says, “They have nothing to do with my campaign!” He said that about ACORN, meanwhile he gave them NEARLY 1 MILLION DOLLARS. As for Colin Powell, this is his way of getting back at President Bush. GOOD RIDDANCE of a RINO!

Barack Hussein Obama
Obama does not need to call himself that 'word'. Every time he opens his mouth he is telling us. Most of it is a mixture of socialist,fascist,communist and Marxist.

If he is elected and does half the things he is promising now, many people who are supporting him will repeat his own words about Ayers,Wright Lezco,etc. "he's not the man I thought he was".

Most of his fawning followers don't understand his words. They just love to hear him talk. Idiots.

Marxist Obama's dirty laundry list,

you can add "CARD CHECK!"

YUP! Marxist Obama backs and endorses the Marxist idea that people should NOT have the right to privacy and secret ballots in UNION VOTES!

Today Union votes! Tomorrow political votes!

Question:
Why ANYONE would favor NON-Secret voting in any scenario?

A. He's a Marxist
B. He's a Socialist
C. He's a Communist
D. All of the above.


Answer: ALL OF THEM ARE CORRECT.

Okay, I made it EASY for the intellectually limited libs. Now, don't you feel all good about yourselves? You got 100%.

ken
"Date: Oct 21, 2008 - 1:10 PM EST Subject: Steve from Illonois
...Based upon my earnings, I can afford to pay for my childrens college education without any help from anyone. No grants, No scholarships, no help from anyone..."

Mistake number one if they go to state or public colleges - they are subsidized by tax dollars tuition is but a small part of total cost


sophie
"Date: Oct 21, 2008 - 1:07 PM EST The Geekbot hates the troops!

Would you not say Geekbot that a brave soldier who serves his country, possibly giving life or limb, is not sacrificing for the common good?

Why you gotta dis the troops man?"

Geek hates all government folks I mean look at all the NY public servants fire/police etc that put the common good ahead of their own personal good. They call that marxist or socialist. They think I was dumb to serve my country for 20 years

Hey Doofass:
I suspect that Steve knows that. What he was sxaying was that he could afford all of the costs of college, not just the tuition costs. Maybe you need to return to school, ans learn how to read for MEANING.

Hal
Hal,

Sorry,

I think you missed the whole point of my post.

donahooey: I just LOVE IT when you make

the Conservative point! It's just so great!!!!

"Mistake number one if they go to state or public colleges - they are subsidized by tax dollars tuition is but a small part of total cost."

Mistake? You care to explain "mistake?"

Yes-sireee-bob! The cost of college tuition has INCREASED more than inflation, heath insurance, and — most critically — far more the average American family's income.

And Marxist Obama wants us ALL to pay for college so every kid can go to college...

What an idea? What a really BAD idea!!

But, thanks for making that point. It's always so much fun. :-)

LMAO!

Ken: donahooey DID miss it. He ALWAYS

misses it.

See my post #117
Subject: The donahooey, the poor deluded
racist. Always an excuse or rationalization to facilitate his self deception.

Typical rationalization; "constructing a logical justification for a belief, decision, action or lack thereof that was originally arrived at through a different mental process."

A typical defense mechanism to justify his unacceptable behaviors and though process, so he can avoid the true explanation.

We're trying to figure out if that is a "symptom" of being a liberal, or a "requirement" to be a liberal.



Is Obama that IGNORANT?

Barack Obama read James A. Cone's racist rants.

Sat in a pew 23 years listening to Jeremiah Wright's racist 'Black Value System' and did NOT know he was sitting and listening to someone who hated America - "God Damn America" - should at least been a 'clue'.

When Obama sits down for meetings with Ahminajead, how many times will they have to meet before Obama knows what Ahminajead is talking about - 1000 meetings, 2000 meetings, ever?

Barack Obama must be to ignorant to negotiate with those who want to destroy America or was he lying about his trusted 'Mentor Wright'?


ModMark
I thought we already had the discussion on what caused this housing crisis? The CRA bill started the snowball effect. Without the bill this probably doesn't happen. You even admitted that the bill started this crisis, though we did agree it wasn't the whole thing. It got the ball rolling.

What about Obama-Messiah's followers?

If Barack Obama is so ignorant he can not understand what is being said after reading the material and listening to over 100 sermons a year (according to Obama) for 23 years.

How ignorant must his 'Followers' be?

This is NOT about 'Mentor Wright' this is about the ignorance of Barack Obama.

I wonder what Barack Obama would understand coming from any meeting with anyone?

Ignorance leading Ignorance?

Is Barack Obama ignorant or just a common liar?

Does Barack Obama 'lead from ignorance' to ignorance or just as a liar to those unable to know the difference?

Ret.Geek: I don't suppose Marxist Obama

ignorant... Sneaky and a sell out, YES!

Hell "say" anything to get the VOTE. "The end justifies the means." so lying and side stepping can easily be justified.

By the way... isn't that what the Muslims also believe? It's okay to LIE to the infidels to accomplish their goals?

And here's another little bit to consider....

Ever notice that at the McCain-Palin rallies, the crowds cheer, "USA!.. USA! .. USA! .. USA!.. ?

But at the Marxist Obama-Bozo Biden rallies the crowd cheers, "O-bam-a!.. O-bam-a!.. O-bam-a!..?

Most likely too sophisticated a concept for the obtuse liberals to grasp, much less understand.



Ken
What is your income?

sophist
"That would also explain Palin!"

I'd bet Sarah Palin knows national television didn't exist in 1929. How do you lefties explain Joe Biden?

For that matter, I'd also bet Sarah Palin knows we don't have 57 states. That puts her ahead of Obama.



Anne from PA
Anne,

I have given the subject of liberal inability to understand the damage they have done the human condition a lot of thought.

I have come to the conclusion that it has something to do with the way their brains are wired.

There is scientific evidence that the more connections between the left and right hemispheres of the brain the more balanced the decision making process will result.

This has nothing to do with intelligence. Just the ability to put things in context. If you notice, Liberals are unable to see the big picture on many issues. They can only focus on one small aspect of an issue and not grow beyond that.

War in Iraq is a good example. Liberals have focused on Weapons of mass destruction.

They totally ignore the fact that there were several very good reasons for removing Saddam from power one being crimes against humanity.

They focus on Bush's pledge to avoid "Nation Building" yet ignore it was Colin Powell who advocated the policy of "You broke it, you fix it."

On many many issues liberals are only capable of seeing the first level or plane. They see poverty but don't understand the cause. They see a need for quality educaiton but don't understand all that is required to accomplish the goal.

As a result they often jump to the fastest easiest solution without reguard for un-intended or complex results of their solutions.

So just as more regulations on manufacturing results in more jobs going off shore, they are not able to make the connection that while regulation