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Tuesday, September 30, 2008
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
Pinning the Tail on the Donkey
by David Limbaugh
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I believe John McCain won the foreign policy debate hands down, but he was unimpressive on economic issues, which, in fairness, were not supposed to be the subject of the first debate. But he can redeem himself in the next debate. Thankfully, Obama is exceedingly vulnerable here, even more so than on foreign policy, which is a mouthful.

McCain must attack Obama's class-warfare assertion that every economic problem we face, including, preposterously, the financial crisis, is a result of the Bush tax cuts. If McCain's going to be a supply-sider, he must begin talking like one. He must also steer far away from the silly populist line that the free market is somehow to blame for the crisis. Leave such blasphemy to the Obama Democrats.

But McCain's first order of business must be to address the financial crisis head-on -- instead of in generalities, as both he and Obama did in round one.

McCain should not consider this a problem but a softball served up by recent history and the comparative behavior of the two political parties and the two presidential candidates that he must knock out of the park. If McCain is willing to hit Obama in the gut with the full truth about the genesis of the crisis, he could emerge from the next debate as the clear favorite.

McCain's opportunity here is even richer when you consider that on this matter, despite his scant political record, Obama has very dirty hands. He cannot be allowed to pretend to have been a bystander when it's incontrovertible that the policies leading to this crisis were vintage Obama. The people who caused it are Obama's political allies and close friends.

McCain cannot sit idly by as Obama attempts to shift blame onto corporate America, capitalism itself, Republicans and the Bush administration. He can't allow the mindless mantra of moral equivalence ("each party shares equal responsibility") to stand: -- not that Obama would even consider that much of a concession.

McCain must take the gloves off -- as he did after Obama made the mistake of showing his nasty, haughty and condescending side in the first debate -- and place the blame for this mess squarely at the Democrats' and Obama's door.

As you've surely heard by now, much of the ammunition he needs is contained in a well-done YouTube video showing the congressional Republicans' efforts in 2004 to rein in Freddie and Fannie and the Democrats' thwarting of those efforts.

The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight determined in 2004 that Fannie Mae's management engaged in a pervasive misapplication of its accounting rules. In 1998, Fannie deferred $200 million of estimated expenses to create the illusion of profit to justify enormous bonuses to management. The regulators cited Fannie's management for smoothing out swings in its earnings, presumably to deceive investors into believing Fannie was a low-risk company. Regulators also condemned "a culture and environment that made these problems possible." Fannie CEO Franklin Raines, a bosom buddy of Obama's whose dirty hands were all over this scandal, was forced to return millions of dollars for his "alleged" responsibility for the improper accounting practices.

Both Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan and Treasury Secretary John Snow called for tougher oversight of Fannie and Freddie as early as 2004 because the magnitude of Fannie's operations coupled with their serious financial difficulties could put the nation's financial system at risk.

Republican members of Congress pushed for remedial action based on those warnings, but the very Democrats pointing their fingers today at President Bush, Republicans and capitalism openly, vehemently and nastily opposed their noble efforts.

The always-sanctimonious Barney Frank said: "These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis. The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."

Watch the YouTube video and see Frank, Maxine Waters, Gregory Meeks, Lacy Clay and Franklin Raines himself denying there was a problem and bludgeoning Republicans and regulators for trying to solve it. In exchange, the Democrats' corrupt gravy train -- political contributions in exchange for CEO bonuses -- continued unabated.

After highlighting all of this and pinning the financial-crisis tail squarely on the "donkey," McCain must then proceed, unabashedly, to tie Obama to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, Obama's socialist community organization of choice. McCain must detail ACORN's complicity in creating this crisis when it forced an epidemic of politically correct, but woefully un-creditworthy loans. And he must show how until the very end, unrepentant and unaccountable Democrats tried to funnel 20 percent of the originally proposed $700 billion of "bailout" money to ACORN and its cousins.

Time for some straight talk, senator. And please, don't hold back.

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The Saddleback Church
Remember the John McCain we saw at the Saddleback Church debate? Where is that John McCain?

His comments there blew our socks off and made us think he might be our guy. Now, for some inexplicable reason, he seems to be running away from conservatism.

And I'm even starting to wonder if McCain really understands that the Democrats hate him and will do anything to defeat him. He thinks he has Democrat friends and that they will play fair with him. They only liked him before because he would go out of his way to make Bush look bad. C'mon McCain(and your advisors)! Wake up before it's too late.

Dumb Nation...
...if BHO is elected, that's what we deserve.

But then again, after 40 years of leftist public-schools dumbing us down, of leftist media spewing lies and half-truths, of leftist elites redefining the terms of social debate and, sadly, both parties opening our borders to the world's cesspool, what can we expect?

One party wants power, and will get it at all costs. The other wants to be perceived as righteous, and has as a consequence being playing defense for at least the last 20 years.

McCain is McCain--the unexciting RINO who, lest we forget, gave us the Gang of 14, McCain Finegold, the McCain Kennedy shamnesty and the endless talk about "ending torture," much to the glee of our enemies' propaganda.

If his opponent was a conservative, you can bet McCain'd take the gloves off--not just in an effete intellectual way, but in that passionate way that would perk up the ears of even the most brainless jackass in the audience. But in front of a Dem, we can expect the following:

- Blaming Wall Street
- Blaming corporate greed
- Foolishly (and falsely) admitting that both sides have equal guilt in this mess
- Allow BHO to spew his lies (everything and I mean EVERYTHING out of his mouth is a lie) and only mildly challenging him while trying to appear "bipartisan."

Moral: in 4 months we'll swear in a president who has beaten his opponent, whatever the cost. And the defeated party will feel righteous about having fought a sanitized, clean and politically-correct campaign, as if that were any consolation to the rest of us who will get socked along with our children with the worse 8 years our country has undergone.

As for bipartisanship, that's for suckers. I am with Mark Levin: "I want to reach across the isle... and SMACK some sense into those Liberals..."

This Democrat-fueled scandal
will have repercussions for years. The Republicans absolutely MUST expose these crooks (Frank, Dodd, Raines, et alia-- along with Obama, who played along and profited as well), for the sake of our children and grandchildren, whose lives will be constricted because of a lack of financial freedom.

As far as the "bailout" goes, has anyone on this blog compared its purpose to the preamble of our Constitution (which is a document which would be banned if the liberals could get away with it)? The Constitution states " We, the people of the United States, in order to ....promote the general welfare." However, the "bailout bill" states as its purpose that the "Secretary of the Treasury ensure the financial well-being of Americans."

Every American is going to be ensured financial well-being???? That, my friends, is the promise of Socialism, pure and simple. Thank God for the Republicans (and a few Democrats) who stood up against this bald attempt to codify socialism in our laws. Scary stuff.

Please remember what our great President Ronald Reagan said: 'The government that is big enough to do everything for you is big enough to take everything from you.'

Isn't it interesting that liberals treat OUR money, that we earn from working, like it's THEIRS, which they (the government) just may magnanimously return (a portion of which) to us, a dribble at a time-- and then we should be grateful for this?

This Democrat-fueled scandal
will have repercussions for years. The Republicans absolutely MUST expose these crooks (Frank, Dodd, Raines, et alia-- along with Obama, who played along and profited as well), for the sake of our children and grandchildren, whose lives will be constricted because of a lack of financial freedom.

As far as the "bailout" goes, has anyone on this blog compared its purpose to the preamble of our Constitution (which is a document which would be banned if the liberals could get away with it)? The Constitution states " We, the people of the United States, in order to ....promote the general welfare." However, the "bailout bill" states as its purpose that the "Secretary of the Treasury ensure the financial well-being of Americans."

Every American is going to be ensured financial well-being???? That, my friends, is the promise of Socialism, pure and simple. Thank God for the Republicans (and a few Democrats) who stood up against this bald attempt to codify socialism in our laws. Scary stuff.

Please remember what our great President Ronald Reagan said: 'The government that is big enough to do everything for you is big enough to take everything from you.'

Isn't it interesting that liberals treat OUR money, that we earn from working, like it's THEIRS, which they (the government) just may magnanimously return (a portion of which) to us, a dribble at a time-- and then we should be grateful for this?

Ms Mehan
Of course you are absolutely right. And yes, you can rest assured that, save for a few overly-vocal moonbats, we on this forum do remember what our great president Reagan said.

The problem is that average daytime-TV watching, think-with-her-ovaries type (that goes for some men too)doesn't have a clue, and regurgitates the bumpersticker-like facile philosophy fed to her by the MSM.

People like that still think that "the Republicans are the party of the rich." And if there wasn't any religious connotation to it, they would also believe in the Easter Bunny.

And, alas, those people vote, as much as I wish they'd stay home watching Extreme Makeover (which is what they want to give the country.)

Yes! I agree....
McCain needs to take the gloves off and (as your brother says) Let sarah loose. This is no time to be PC as America's future is at stake.

Long live the Republic!

Voltaire, I don't think
most women "think with their (her) ovaries"-- I don't think ovaries is what makes some women non-sensical.

Pray and fast before Election Day-- and forward to everyone you know a link supplied by Rusty Humphries (email him at Rusty@talktoRusty.com to request it by Wed). This link goes to audio and video of Maxine Waters and Barney Frank-- and their ilk-- denying there was any problem at Fannie & Freddie. It can only be hoped that this may serve to wake some people up, reproductive organs or no.

ps I changed my nickname for a bit more opacity.


Voltaire, your assessment
worries me, but it is right on.

Not only does McCain/Palin
Need to take the gloves off, but we ALL need to distribute this youtube video of a 2004 House hearing into problems into Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&eurl=http://www. redstate.com/

In it you'll see the same Democrats who are now trying to blame President Bush, Wall Street, The Banks, The mortgage industry, and EVERYONE else but themselves, doing their damnedest to block ANY/ALL investigation into the corrupt and illegal practices of both organizations.

Sadly Voltaire
It is not these Moonbats that will stay home on November 4th, but instead it will be the die hard conservatives that can't stomach the way McCain has acted in repeatedly betraying the Conservative principles he claims to espouse.

They are wrong to do this, as their attempts to punish our side(mostly the RINO's) for getting out of control have always led to a Democrat gaining control of the White House, and one if not both houses of Congress, and the worst disasters that ever befell our nation.

Jimmy Carter, Billy Bob Clinton, and the current Democrat Controlled House and Senate being the best examples of this failed and stupid policy that I can offer.

For Obama to get control of the White House this year, and the Dems to retain the Congress, would spell the end of this country as a FREE Constitutional Republic as we know it.

Marine's Dad
Marine's Dad wrote:
"For Obama to get control of the White House this year, and the Dems to retain the Congress, would spell the end of this country as a FREE Constitutional Republic as we know it."

You are so right. I tried so long to avoid voting for McCain. I wanted to vote Libertarian purely for the small government platform, but have had to eat my convictions and vote against Obama. The worst part is, the only real vote against Obama is for McCain.

I just had a custom bumper sticker printed. It reads:

HOLDING MY NOSE AND VOTING (blue background)
for John McCain (red background)

It took an uber leftist socialist to get me to vote for a RINO. I need a shower.

Did you know......
That we have been in the 4th longest economic expansion in the history of the USA? It started with GWB as President at the end of 2001.

That the longest expasnion in the history of the USA started with Bush 41 as President?

That the longest expansion was extended by Republican economic acts of 1997? Those acts balanced the budget.

That Reaganomics sharply reduced recessions? After the 1986 economic act, there have only been two recessions and each of those was only eight months long. That is much better than any other period in USA's history.

Republican policies are superior in the long run.

Source: NBER data.

If it is one thing I have noticed
It's that the GOP has a hard time organizing supporters and keeping them in the fold. I admit I am a newbie to the political scene, but I have been all up for supporting my candidate (McCain). I donated, bought shirts and yard signs etc. I have tried to work with his campaign web site, but it is not the best. So far it is mostly a pretty splash screen with a place to donate. sure you can find out his views and such I just wish there was more of a unified supportive feel to it all. I mean for instance, after I donated, and my husband donated, we never recieved a thank you or a letter or even a sticker. Not that I expected one, but it would have bolstered my support. With all the low poll numbers, I feel like I have been hung out to dry with no base. I will always vote for McCain, but I think the repubs need to learn how to get us all reenergiszed and excited about our vote. The other camp seems to do a much better job. I am sure the rules of engagement are much different though.

"Please don't hold back"
Im afraid he is too tired and old not to hold back. What have we doing to our country? An old warrior who is just fading away, and a young commie punk who is charming the women are our two candidates for president of the United States of doom.

OBAMA=4 MORE YEARS OF GEORGE BUSH
As these last eight years of George W. Bush have seen the greatest expansion of government since Lyndon Johnson's Great Society and Barack Obama is proposing $860 billion in new entitlement spending an Obama presidency would mean four more years of George Bush and the complete destruction of our economy. Indeed, John McCain must start running the most horrific ads imaginable showing appalling scenes from the Great Depression and economic devastation if Obama is elected President.

Let's Face it; America is Broke!

And yes, unlike all the politicians today, it is the time to point fingers now!

We are still paying for our extravagant folly of electing Jimmy Carter. Two glaring examples are Iran and the welfare housing debacle.
Every people do have the government they deserve. That includes us.

Our four greatest industries are either broke or well on the way :

A) Healthcare - Trial lawyers and frivolous lawsuits have made insurance so expensive that hardly anyone, oprivate or business can afford it anymore.

B) Housing - The overbuilding during our welfare housing "boom" will take 20 years to normalize again, if ever.

C) Financial Services - New York, once the world's financial capital, is no more. Financial services on a global level are being diluted to Hong Kong, Tokyo, London, Zurich and other centers.

D) Agriculture - It's still productive but under imense pressure of excessive regulations and high taxes. In spite of protectionist barriers and anti-free market subsidies, Brazil, with a truly free market agriculture, is quickly surpassing America both in production and global competitiveness. Soon we might be dependent on imported foods in addition to oil.

Conclusion : Our high taxes and excessive regulations have caused most of our industries to run away to friendlier business environments.
California is a pretty good harbinger of things to come all over America : Bankrupcy! CA is bankrupt financially, economically, morally and spiritually. It has a credit rating on a par with that of Bolivia!

Limbaugh lies
"... Fannie CEO Franklin Raines, a bosom buddy..."

"Bosum buddies" really???? Data please because this is a lie plain and simple. Yet you have Rick Davis suckling at Freddie for cash the whole time and you ignore that. The American people know you caused this disaster. You extreme conservatives twisted Reagan conservatism into something evil (yes I enjoyed typing that correct word)and now you are reaping what you sowed. Too bad that you and your ilk are far too cowardly to accept your majority share in this collapse of the US.

David
If I am not mistaken were not the Republicans in control of the house in 2004 so if they wanted to do something about the problem then why did'nt they? Please enlighten me.

Ranger29
"Date: Sep 30, 2008 - 1:55 AM EST ...The folks losing their houses...are not the problem...it is corporate greed run amock that is."

Actually folks losing their houses are caused in large part by corporate greed run amock. BUT fear and greed are often the prime market motivators the government's job is to make certain that the "street" does NOT run amock. There is an old trading slogan: "pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered". The government let is happen....

One other question Osama Bin Laden said he would wage war on the US like he did the Russians and cause their economic collapse. What are your thoughts about this?

be well

Robert

Egon
"Date: Sep 30, 2008 - 6:00 AM EST Let's Face it; America is Broke! ...We are still paying for our extravagant folly of electing Jimmy Carter. Two glaring examples are Iran and the welfare housing debacle."

Wake up and stop drinking your kool aid. This whole debacle is an outgrowth of your everyman for themselves no regulation conservative philosophy. Conservatism, which was called Hooverism back in 1932, caused the great depression and has now produced a similar result. I knew reagan and he would be appalled at the evil carried out in his name. Conservatism took everything and built and replaced nothing. Man up if you are at all capable

"Every people do have the government they deserve. That includes us."

you bet especially since 2004.

"Our four greatest industries are either broke or well on the way :

A) Healthcare - Trial lawyers and frivolous lawsuits have made insurance so expensive that hardly anyone, oprivate or business can afford it anymore."

You believe that too? You do not think weak doctors, insurance companies refusing to accept risk and lack of government investment and direction (they get plenty now to help the medical corporations but talk to a local doc who feels he is a slave to insurance companies) We spend more than any industrial nation and get the worst results

"B) Housing - The overbuilding during our welfare housing "boom" will take 20 years to normalize again, if ever."

LOL it couldn't be the "need" to build wasteful energy consuming houses soaking up public resources could it? Look at when your so called "welfare housing" was built

"C) Financial Services - New York, once the world's financial capital, is no more. Financial services on a global level are being diluted to Hong Kong, Tokyo, London, Zurich and other centers."

All of which has accellerated during the last eight years

egon

"D) Agriculture - It's still productive but under imense pressure of excessive regulations and high taxes....Soon we might be dependent on imported foods in addition to oil."

If you mean stop corporate welfare to agribusiness I agree entirely

"Conclusion : Our high taxes and excessive regulations have caused most of our industries to run away to friendlier business environments. "

BS our taxes with loop holes are the lowest in the world and cheap labor and unenforced treaties encouraged them to go boy you have swallowed the entire limbawl cathicism haven't you

Hal
Got a question for ya.

What is your take on the fact that the Bailout was defeated in the House yesterday?

Tax Cuts and RINOs
It’s hard for McLame to attack over the Bush tax cuts since he voted against them. He, and the other RINOs, are the reason why they are only temporary. Yes, I can say this because the addition of Sarah Palin didn’t change RINO McLame to conservative McCain.

Now Thursday we will see unedited Sarah and hopefully unleashed Sarah. She CAN attack the Vomit.

Hey Doofass,
Answer my question. Why am I an extremist, but the most liberal part time Senator (God I'd love to work 5 weeks and 1 day a year and draw over $150,000 in salary) and the third most loberal Senator are not?

Marine Dad
Yes, that's what infuriates me too about the stay-home protest-vote types.

As someone far wiser than me said, politics is the art of the possible, not of the ideal. We simply MUST separate ourselves from our private citizen-self when we go to the ballot, for in that moment, we become for a moment a quasi civil-servant.

It's time to fight a battle closer to an idealist's BEFORE the final nomination of the candidate. From that point on, though, it should be winning at all costs, or at least ensuring that the other side loses at all costs. Use the choices you're left with, and make the most of them.

Staying home is like voting "present." Ditto for throwing away your vote to an unlikely third-party candidate.

Madison Fan, I didn't want to imply that women thought with their ovaries--some sections of our population (of both sexes) do, figuratively speaking, of course. It's those who can't stomach war (or self-defense, for that matter), who think that losing half of more of our liberties is perfectly acceptable as long as it's done "for the children" and who don't possess even the most basic tools for cause-effect thinking.

Apologies for my previous poor wording!

It is sad
that the bailout was prevented from becoming a reality.

It is apparent that the average American distrusts the government, and that is something that we must work to overcome.

The bailout would have been the first step towards solving all the problems that Americans face. Let's face cold hard truth: most Americans suffer from an abundance of stress caused by the myriad of problems they face. The current downfall of the economy is just one such affair. Had the bailout been accepted, the government could have taken that concern off the plate of hard-working Americans.

We Democrats seek to take care of our subjects. The bailout may have failed yesterday, due to fear on the part of the American public, but eventually we will succeed in allaying that fear and gaining the public's trust, and then we will set about removing all the problems from the lives of hard-working Americans.

Give us your money and your resources, and we Democrats will take care of all you tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to breathe free from fear.

Curtal Friar
"Date: Sep 30, 2008 - 8:07 AM EST Hal
Got a question for ya.

What is your take on the fact that the Bailout was defeated in the House yesterday? "

I think until both sides can compromise and pass a bill overwhelmingly they should stay at it. Mean while this disaster will get worse and worse we literally have no government right now

Hal
C'mon, man, I asked you an honest question:

What's your take on the failure of the bailout?

Curtal Friar writes:
Hal
C'mon, man, I asked you an honest question:

What's your take on the failure of the bailout?

CF, you know the Doofass never answers direct questions. all he does is try to deflect.

Hal
Thanks for you answer, which is as follows:

"I think until both sides can compromise and pass a bill overwhelmingly they should stay at it. Mean while this disaster will get worse and worse we literally have no government right now"

So, you think the government should continue trying to do a bailout of some kind, in spite of the fact that the American public overwhelmingly voiced their disdain for such a measure?

Did you not notice that for every "vote" of support received by Congress for the Bailout, they received 100 "votes" opposed to the measure?

Or is it simply that you have nothing but disdain for the average hard-working American?

That you think he should not have a voice?

That the Democrats should shove their disastrous policies down his throat, and his objections be d@mned?

Well, buddy, you're entitled to think and speak out what you will. That is a right given to all American citizens. But good luck. The American public, thanks to the proliferation of information nowadays, is aware of the double-dealing and lying and greed on the part of the Democrat party, and the days of just blindly accepting the Democrats at face value are over. The American people are coming to the realization that the Democrats are no more out for the common man than was Queen Marie Antoinette.

Lumberjack
Good morning to ya.

Hmmm.....it's going on nine o'clock out east. I wonder if the bars in Scranton have opened yet?

CF,
They open at 0600.

Voltaire
I too get disgusted with the blind ideology of some conservatives who adamantly refuse to vote for McCain.

I can understand their opinion that they are tired of RINO's. However, by staying home on election day or by voting for a third party candidate, they are in effect hurting America in order to teach the Republican party a lesson.

They are putting a political party above the good of the nation, and that is where I lose sympathy for those conservatives.

I don't like McCain as a candidate either. Not much anyway. But my country is much greater than my individual likes and dislikes. When I cast my vote, if I am truly going to be a responsible citizen, I must take the good of my country and the good of the American people into account.

Obama is clearly no good, and will likely prove to be disastrous for our country. Therefore, though I have no great love for McCain's politics, I cannot in good conscience take action that will allow a man like Obama to become the President Of The United States.

Every Voter Should Read this Column
Too bad this column won't be read by every prospective voter in America. The Democrats are up to their necks in this Wall Street disaster and, like the cowards they are, refuse to admit their culpability. Dodd, Frank, Pelosi--all fought Republican attempts to get on top of this monstrous disaster before it emerged. Democrats think, and vote, with their gonads--the Republicans with their brains.


Jerseyvet
too true.

I hope McCain takes Limbaugh's advice and really sticks it to the Democrats on this issue.

Hopefully Palin will do the same thing in her debate with Biden.

Curtal Friar
"Date: Sep 30, 2008 - 8:40 AM EST Hal
Thanks for you answer, which is as follows:

"I think until both sides can compromise and pass a bill overwhelmingly they should stay at it. Mean while this disaster will get worse and worse we literally have no government right now"

"So, you think the government should continue trying to do a bailout of some kind, in spite of the fact that the American public overwhelmingly voiced their disdain for such a measure?"

well having fairly recently seen runs on banks, closed businesses and evaporation of the middle class I really do think we need a solution. The American people will be screaming the opposite when they cannot sell their $200,000 house for 20,000 and have no money to pay the morgage. This is serious.

"Did you not notice that for every "vote" of support received by Congress for the Bailout, they received 100 "votes" opposed to the measure?"

I sure did that is why they have more work to do or the stress will keep building on main street

"Or is it simply that you have nothing but disdain for the average hard-working American?"

Nice try but clearly they are letting emotion get in the way of answers that is why Congress has a lot of work to do They President doesn't exist as far as the American people are concerned


DF2
"That you think he should not have a voice?"

Oh I do think he AND SHE should have a voice but I am hoping that they don't have to learn the hard way

"That the Democrats should shove their disastrous policies down his throat, and his objections be d@mned?"

LMAO hey that was Republican legislation that is why the Ds let it go. Any bill should not pass without a majority of Republicans voting for it. You own it. If you want a crash so be it

".....But good luck. The American public, thanks to the proliferation of information nowadays, is aware of the double-dealing and lying and greed on the part of the Democrat party, and the days of just blindly accepting the Democrats at face value are over."

Actually substitute Republican you have it correctly. This is all a cause of lack of oversight and regulation you are reaping what you sowed and the American people know it.

"The American people are coming to ... Queen Marie Antoinette. "

Why do you carry on this lie?

Hey Doofass:
If the bailout was so great why did 12 Dumbbuttcraps on the Banking Committee vote against as did 15 CA Dumbbuttcraps and 9 of 13 Texas Dumbbuttcraps vote against it?

Curtal Friar
"Date: Sep 30, 2008 - 9:04 AM EST Subject: Voltaire
... is clearly no good, and will likely prove to be disastrous for our country. Therefore, though I have no great love for McCain's politics, I cannot in good conscience take action that will allow a man like Obama to become the President Of The United States. "

No one can be more disasterous than Bush the torturer and the conservatives You folks have done more harm than even Hoover

Hal Donahue says:
"Nice try but clearly they are letting emotion get in the way of answers that is why Congress has a lot of work to do They President doesn't exist as far as the American people are concerned"

Hmmm.....so clearly you have no regard for the opinion of the American people. When they are against a policy that you champion, in your opinion, they are only being emotional.

Clearly, in your opinion, only your opinion has any merit. Can you be any more elitist in your thinking?

Have you seen these videos?
http://www.youtube.com/v/_MGT_cSi7Rs&hl=en&fs=1"
At a 2004 hearing see Democrat after Democrat covering up and attacking the regulations to protect Fannie Mae and Freddie Ma.
Obama and Democrat friends created problems, Explosive video
http://www.youtube.com/v/usvG-s_Ssb0&hl=en&fs=1"

Explosive CEO calling Obama and Dems the “Family” “Conscience” of Fannie Mae
The Banking Failures are because of the Housing Crisis, which was caused by mortgage lenders handing out bad loans and the biggest offenders: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac

The Democrats have been taking PAYOFFS from Fannie and Freddie to look the other way FOR DECADES!

NOW VIDEO FOUND of the CEO of Fannie Mae in 2005 explaining the “FAMILY” connection with Democrats

And specifically Barack Obama and the Congressional Black Caucus”


CF/Jersey Vet
No way the American people will buy that lie. Are you so incredibly weak that you cannot own up to your own mistakes?

Hal
Bonuses and Salaries paid to officers in 1998
Franklin D. Raines,
[Currently a Housing Policy Adviser for the Obama Campaign]
[Carter administration assistant director for Domestic Policy]
Fannie MaeChairman and CEO Designate
Salary $526,154, Award/Bonus $1,109,589

James A. Johnson
[Obama VP Vetter and Funds Bundler]
Chairman and CEO
Salary $966,000, Award/Bonus $1,932,000

Jamie Gorelick
[Deputy Attorney General for Clinton]
Created “The Wall” Between the CIA and FBI]
[Currently works for Law Firm representing Fannie Mae]
[Gorelick took home $26.46 million [from Fannie Mae in the period from 1998 to 2002]
[Currently legal Representative for Duke Univ., against students charged with rape]
Vice-Chairman of Fannie Mae:
$567,000, Award/Bonus $779,625

Raines, Waters, Frank.
All complicit. Get a clue, doofus.

chains Location ND
RE: Your Sep 30, 2008 - 7:15 AM EST post
If you check your US constitution you'll note the existence of something called the "Senate". All legislation must also be passed by this deliberative body. Senate rule require 60 votes to close debate and bring a bill to a vote. That means if you have 41 Senators who don't want a bill to pass but don't have 51 votes to defeat the bill can keep the 'discussion' open by having their group of 41 continue to speak. This is called a 'filibuster'. At the time there were only 55 Republican Senators, not enough to invoke cloture (end the discussion and bring to a vote) if the Democrats were 'filibustering' (which they were going to do).

That is how a minority can stop a bill.

Hal Doofass scribbles:
No one can be more disasterous than Bush the torturer and the conservatives You folks have done more harm than even Hoover

Except the Congressional payroll of Fannie Me and Freddie Mac, aka Dodd, Obama, Schumer, Frank and othe Dumbbuttcraps blocked reform, written by McCain if those agencies 3 years ago, saying there was nothing wronfg with them.

BTW, I guess Obugout's chief economics advisors are in no way to blame for Fannie Me and Freddie Mac's problems.

Hal Donahue
hahahahahahahahaha

Are you so deluded that you can't read public record and understand it?

McCain supported legislation to crack down on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in order to prevent a disaster like we are seeing right now.

It's a matter of record that Obama, along with many Democrats, opposed such an initiative.

It's also a matter of record that Obama gained substantial monies from both those organizations. Of course, he doesn't want to tighten up regulations; that would cut down on his money supply.

You are the incredibly weak and increasingly shrill fool that can't admit that policies begun under a Democrat (Carter), bolstered under another Democrat (Clinton), and supported by an Democrat Majority Congress that prevented Republicans from cleaning up the mess, have caused the current financial mess.

You're like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar and trying to say it's not your fault, the kid next door made you do it.

Lumberjack & CF
In reading the posts to you two from "He Whom References Himself on the Huff-n-Puff" I would say that LJ was incorrect in the time that the bars open in Scranton.

Me thinks they NEVER CLOSE....



And Hal, you still have never answered my question that I have been asking for about a year now:

Did your KKK business cards have a picture of Robert "Sheets" Byrd on them as your mascot/logo?

And one more thing: Was that your wife the other day in Scranton that instead of directing her question at McCain during one of his townhall meetings who turned and asked the news media there why they won't do their job when it comes to Obama and his corrupt connections? Just wondering.

Definition of Townhall meeting: A meeting that scares the be-Mohammed out of Barak Hussein Obama.

Hey Hal, Since you're in denial mode
Why don't you watch this little video from a House Panel in 2004 where ALL of the Democrats, who are now swearing that the problems wth Freddie and Fannie are the Republicans fault, went WAY above and beyond to deny there were any problems with either organization and block investigations into them.

THEN, come back and tell us that the current problems have nothing to do with the actions of YOUR party.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&eurl=http://www. redstate.com/

Empty shirt
Obama in the debate looked down a lot. One CNN reporter commented this shows "Obama is an introvert." I disagree . .
It shows he can't think for himself, has to read script by his teleprompters.
Did anyone notice that the attacks overseas started up again now that Obama showed his face, and they could see him for what he is... an empty shirt? He can't talk unless reads or rehearses script,even uses words from a cartoon.
Remember how he stayed gone, vacation to Hawaii
and now stays gone from resolving economic crisis . . . tells Congress to "fix it!"
Notice how Blitzer on CNN repeatedly reviewed only negative comments about Palin and McCain?
When will the people of America see through all the rhetoric, the big smiles and fake promises?

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Marines_Dad
Now you've done it.

Your 10:15 post will cause Doofus to cut and run. Before he would answer my question about his KKK business cards.

Facts are NOT ALLOWED in a Liberal World.

You're not the boss 'O me!!
Why should the traitorous political social engineers (insert Frank, Dodd, Reid, etc...)admit to anything ? They have a multi-billion dollar media industry(that, for all we know, has dirtied they're hands at the same dungpile) to cover and obfuscate for them. They feel secure that the truth will remain outside the mainstream; on the blogs which, to them, is the unsubstantiated fringe. This mess is more than just what it appears on the surface. Media and pop culture are woven into this shoddy bolt of cloth as well as education. Folks like the trolls that post here are the "useful idiots" Lenin and Stalin spoke of. Has anyone else noticed that they are bereft of substantive arguments, choosing instead to "stir up the bottom" in an attempt to obscure the issue with clouds of leftist talking points? Of course Nancy Pelosi isn't afraid to lay all the blame on the Republicans that tried, in vain, to stave off disaster. She knows the propaganda machine will "take care" of the true facts without her even asking for it! I'd love to see what ties the MSM has to these financial monsters; I bet they're deep!!

Bman and Marines Dad
BTW good morning to ya both!

Looks to be a fine day for a troll hunt.

Hey Curtal Friar
Check out Hal's post at 7:49. Notice something funny about it??

Max Power
" Check out Hal's post at 7:49. Notice something funny about it??"

Always thought they are of one mind.

Robert

Max Power
Yeah, I noticed he signed off as Robert.

Probably dealing with a multiple personality disorder here, Hal's probably not even aware he made that post.

Good morning to ya!

Dr. Who?
"Always thought they are of one mind."

And half-wit....

Dr. Who
Morning to ya!

I'm still waiting for Hal to try and respond to the @sswhupping he's getting here on this thread.

Max Power: donahooey's 7:49AM post...

Yeah, the poor delusional guy just CAN'T seem to grasp that this was NOT corp greed....

This WAS nothing more or less than the demoRAT'S putting pressure on the mortgage industry to write mortgages to people who could NOT afford them.

And as many times as we've ALL posted, and DOCUMENTED, Pres. Bush's (2003) request for an independent investigation on the mortgage industry, and McCain 2005) co-sponsoring a bill that the dems NOT ONLY defeated, donahooey is SO DELUSIONAL, he just can't get it!

And YES, donahooey IS DELUSIONAL!

1) a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact: a paranoid delusion"

2) a false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness: delusions of persecution.

3) a false belief or opinion: labored under the delusion that success was at hand.



Curtal Friar
At some point Hal/Robert needs an intervention.

This is a sad cry for help....

Hey donahooey: I DARE you to watch this!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU6fuFrdCJY&feature=bz301

It's 11 mins. long.... but even YOU might learn something.


Curtal Friar @ 9:58 AM
No, you see, Hal live in a different universe, one where the liberals in congress are the saviors, the conservatives are the villains, and Kirk and Spock have goatees....

;-)

Max
A cry for help or another drink?








Robert

Bman
Well he clearly has mental problems. After seeing his personality come apart like his arguments, I think I'm the one that needs a drink....

Ha, Ranger69
Yeah, but I wonder who really picks up the bar tab?

Max
How about a triple shot of Jagermeister?

the dimwit dims
exactly when did wide receivber frank become an expert on anything except trolling for boy friends.

But the dims are trying to blame everyone and accept no fault for their role in the crisis. That the dims are acting shamefully and using the crisis they enabled and want to make things worse by throwing billions at the problem and enabling la raza and acorn to continue there efforts to undermine the country.

But it is past time for the repubs 'to finally stand up to the dims and their practice of waging class warfare. The idea the dims think they are the aggrieved party and their hands are clean is in contrast to all the evidence.

That the earners in this country must continue to be punished to reward the losers that the dims keep on their plantation of handouts is ridiculous. It won't be long before the dims kill the goose they lay the golden eggs that run the country but they can't understand anything other than power to control others

Max
He'll be gone for a while. When he thinks all of us have left he'll come back and make a dump.




Robert

Curtal Friar
Where do I sign?

Crutial Friar, et al
"I'm still waiting for Hal to try and respond to the @sswhupping he's getting here on this thread. "

You have to be a complete basket case to keep defending the dems in the face of the obvious facts that are drilled home with the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&eurl=http://www. redstate.com/

That Marine's Dad posted a link to.

Hal/robert can't even defend his libs all he can do is cry you guys were their too! wa wa wa. He must be desperate to make such a simple minded argument.

BmanIII, MAX, Curtial, et all
I forgot my sign off.

Robert

God help us
OK I’m now officially scared, has anyone else seen the youtube video with the kids singing to the dear leader Omarxist. How creepy
STARSHIP TROOPERS UNITE !

Anne-MPower-CFriar-MDad-LJ7392-Others
My question is WHY DID MCCAIN EVER PUT THE GLOVES ON? This is a Bare Knuckles Brawl for The Soul of America, Win or Die are our options! First of all, we run up against the old 80%/20% maxim. For example if there is a parade, 10% of the people plan/lead the parade. 80% of the people follow the parade and 10% DON’T KNOW THERE IS A PARADE! Notice the largest group are cattle that can be herded. The Second Problem is that the LOUDEST voices are in the I-95 corridor in the East and the I-5 corridor in the West. The Third Problem is folks who are swayed by ACORN Obama’s Flowery Platitudes of Hope and Change. So McCain has to get the attention of a HUGE group of people in such a way that he has and KEEPS their attention. My horse weighed 1200 pounds on the nose, so he outweighed me 6 to 1. When he was feeling his oats and was little TOO fractious, I would slap him HARD on the nose and INSTANTLY I had his attention and KEPT it! Senator McCain, Drop the Gloves, NOW!


Max, Bman, Dr. Who
I'm sure by now Hal is in a drunken stupor and lying on the floor in his favorite bar.

Eventually he will wake up, completely forget this morning, and start anew on the thread with the same old ignorant bullcr@p.

Robert

HansFury
Post a link please.





Robert

As an avowed Independent,
I can simply state that Mr. McCain is running the stupidest campaign ever. He would do well to follow the advice here and let the Dems have it. He also needs to unleash Sarah Palin from her neo-con handlers.

If he doesn' do those two things, he will surely go down, and that's how it looks right now.

BmanIII, Curtal Friar, Dr. Who, et. al:
Here's a youtube link to a disturbing video...

I think this is the one which HansFury referred.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9b0xr06qA

Robert(a)

Georgetwin & CF
How true your post is.

McCain should have long ago done that. But I am afraid he is leaving it up to Palin to do it for him.



CF:
He is probably at the local bootlegger's. They probably don't allow him in the local bars anymore. People do not like walking over passed out bafoons on the floor.





Robert

RE: "Sing for Change Obama"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9b0xr06qA

Looks VERY familiar to what we've seen taking place in China, especially under Mao.


for David Limbaugh
This past week, we were told by Bush that we are close to an economic catastrophe.

SO WHY DIDN'T HE SAY SO IN HIS LAST STATE-OF-THE-UNION ADDRESS???

True, the Democrats controlled Congress. But as you can see, Bush now has to get Democrat support anyway. He might have done so sooner.

Or: Why didn't Bush do something about this in 2005, when Republicans controlled the Congress? He could have gone on nationwide TV in 2005 and demanded fast action.

Or in 2004.

Or in 2003.

Or even just THREE MONTHS AGO, giving us some time to consider alternatives.

Instead, Bush NEVER TOLD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE that this was coming until TWO WEEKS AGO.

You can't spin that away.

SteveL
You can't spin away Obama's complicity in letting it happen in the first place either.

So who do you want in office?

A guy on Fannie and Freddy's payroll that voted against preventing this mess?

Or a guy that wanted to put the clamps on them before they got out of control?

for Curtal Friar
Curtal Friar writes: "The American public, thanks to the proliferation of information nowadays, is aware of the double-dealing and lying and greed on the part of the Democrat party"

That's ridiculous.

It was BUSH, not PELOSI, who went on nationwide TV last week to plead to the American people for the bailout bill.

It was Bush's Treasury Secretary, Paulson, who devised the original bailout bill.

And it was McCain, not Obama, who suspended his campaign to go to Washington to try to get the bill passed.

You're in the ridiculous position of attacking the Democrats for trying to pass a bill proposed by a Republican president and supported by both the Republican candidate for President and the Republican Minority Leader of the House.


Anne
Thanks for posting the video.

It was posted earlier by YLG, though, and I don't think I could bring myself to watch it again.

Thank you though.

for Max Power
I wasn't planning to vote for Obama.

But now it's moot. McCain's chances for winning the election died yesterday.

He committed himself to getting a bailout bill passed which is unpopular with the public. He had expected to then take credit for the bill's passage. But he failed anyway--not a single Arizona Representative voted for the bill.

He won't even get credit for trying, because the public hates the bill anyway.

He's toast.

SteveL
It was a democrat who started the whole mess (Carter).

It was a democrat who made the mess with fannie mae and freddie mac even worse (Clinton).

It was a slew of democrats, in the pocket of fannie mae and freddie mac, who stopped a republican from introducing legislation that would have tightened regulation and done away with abuse by fannie mae and freddie mac.

Now the democrats try to pass a bill to slap a bandaid on a bleeding artery, and they expect that the public will buy their cr@p hook, line and sinker.

Sorry, ya moron, we ain't going for it.

Yeah, there were republicans involved in the mess, but the democrats were the main instigators and propagators of the whole deal.

SteveL
"He committed himself to getting a bailout bill passed which is unpopular with the public. He had expected to then take credit for the bill's passage. But he failed anyway--not a single Arizona Representative voted for the bill.

He won't even get credit for trying, because the public hates the bill anyway."

Now you're spinning. The public knows his record on this mess and it blows Obama out of the water. Obama didn't commit either way, who the hell wants a president like that??

Not the American people, that's for sure.

I disagree, I think Obama was toast when this all started and the truth came out about his voting record on Fannie and Freddy along with his financial ties to them.

SteveL
In case ya hadn't noticed, Obama was all for the bailout too.

He also wanted to get a highly unpopular bailout through Congress.

Looks like he's in just as much a world of hurt, if not more.

More, probably, because he was deeply in the pocket of fannie mae and freddie mac, and the public will see the truth and blame the Great Obama for causing this mess to begin with.

Remember, McCain did try to pass legislation two years ago which could have prevented the current crisis.

Poor Obama, true to form
His only problem now is he can't figure out how to vote "PRESENT"

He is A TRUE LEADER

Robert

And. the intellectually limited libs
will LOVE this one!

http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/blog/bik244421698.html


Mc Cain vs. Obama one the rescue plan
John McCain recognized the shortcomings of the original proposal submitted by Paulson. He went to Washington and negotiated revisions to the plan to address the specific problems.

Barrack Obama intially said "Call me if you need me." In the White House meeting, the Dems allowed BO to be the spokesperson, and BO lost control as the agreements fell apart. Finally, BO bascially said "Me too" without adding anything of substance that would have improved the bill.

Clearly John McCain is the effective leader and Barrack Obama was just a follower.

Dr Who?
ACORN Obama a LEADER! GREAT Sarcasm! ACORN Obama couldn't find his A$$ in the shower with both hands and a flashlight.

SteveL
You must have been sleeping.
Even way up here in Cow-Hampsha' I saw Pres. Bush, as well as other prominent Republicans appealing to Americans on National TV that there was an impending financial catastrophe at hand, in 2003, 2004, and again in 2005. Maybe you didn't see it because you were watching one of the MSM outlets for your(mis)information. Alas, as this situation was never spoken to in Democrat talking points, the MSM would certainly not have covered it.
Republicans DID say something. The MSM, and the radical left, ignored them as alarmists playing politics.

the GREAT video about the crisis...

... alluded to in the column


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

This youtube takes a few minutes to watch, but it shows really WHY we are in this financial crisis, which was substantially caused by the left/'Crats... I urge you to WATCH IT, PASS IT ALONG, and POST IT ANYWHERE where cognitive people might be interested in understanding the mess.

The video has links and reference sources to build its case. Speaking as a banker of 25 years who was asked to deal for a time with problem assets, I can attest that the banks were effectively compelled to make marginal to poor mortgage loans under the guise of government backing. We all knew that CRA type lending was a ticking time bomb.

The video shows how a flawed social engineering theory resulted in a massive housing bubble, which inexorably had to burst eventually, exposing the fatally flawed lending mistakes engendered by government leftists, first beginning under Jimma' Carter, but made far worse under Slick Willie Clinton.

It was not first and foremost (or even primarily) the marketplace which failed here... it was, once again, social engineering theory and government fiat... but "greed and graft in the marketplace" will wear the collar. This is not, however, to exonerate the thieves packaging mortgages (MBS's) on Wall Street. They are the same morally-bereft, vulture types who were there for the LBO and "dot.com" ripoffs... this time it is MBS's and derivatives.


I will say this-- IF the government bailout does not overprice the "assets," we COULD actually come out whole. We did on the Chrysler bailout, and even when we bailed out Mexico, which paid us back early and at a premium-- probably with some of the oil or drug $ we send them! We even came out surprisingly well on the massive S&L bailout following Reagan's ill-fated and ill-advised deregulation of thrifts (S&L's).

oracle1
Now that video is the video to watch! I saw it a couple days ago on Jackpine's blog. It builds a case first, then disposes of the blame. It has sources, facts, bills passed. That video is simply undeniable and it all points to the left. I URGE everyone to spread that video oracle1 posted to anyone who will watch it! Be ready with the pause button as well.

Btw
Hello to all the conservs roaming this column. Check out my blog for a partial solution to the problem. It would help our economy a heck of a lot more than the current bailout plan.

Georgetwin
You forgot the GPS tracker...

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

;-)

Georgetwin
I'm sure if Oblama gets elected he will change his title from President to be DEAR LEADER.

If you don't say DEAR LEADER he will send out his truth squad or his "civilian national security force". What kinda of salute do black liberation followers use?

Obama said:
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

Ziek Hail Obama Ziek Hail


agree in principle here

re:
"To over-state the metaphor: If your boat is taking on water, and you are opposed, in ideological grounds, to bailing it out, it will sink and you will drown."

The govt. CAUSED this mess, and the mess is REAL. We CAN come out whole with an INTELLIGENT bailout. We cannot long endure, however, with the markets in a lurch. When banks like 4th largest Wachovia are cratering due to bad home mortgages alone, it speaks volumes.

The good news? ALL of these mortgages have SOME value, and many need not result in ANY loss, provided that the properties are not liquidated in a panic mode. Further, we need to correct the government's attempt at social engineering-- NO MORE mortgages to those who do not even pay rent on time!

Timing is EVERYTHING! Is this economic

melt-down just NOW a coincidence? I doubt it!!

But, it FORCES us to focus on economics, instead of national security.... which of course is McCain's STRONG point, and Marxist Obama's WEAK point.

"New al-Qaida threat: Thermobaric bombs
Packs power like a nuke, but easier to build, blow up.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76544

"Massive destruction from Islamabad terrorist attack

"Investigators now believe the bombing on Sep. 21 that killed dozens and left massive damage at the Islamabad Marriott, including a gaping hole in the ground in front of the building, was a crude form of a device that intensifies and enhances an explosive – a thermobaric bomb

"The bomb was delivered in a truck that contained what investigators believe was aluminum powder in addition to grenades and artillery shells. The aluminum power is believed to have been responsible for the acceleration and expansion of the impact of the bomb.

"While barriers around the hotel kept the truck bomb at some distance from the structure, the devastation indicated that there had to be something capable of raising the devastation level considerably....."


BUT, if we let our national security guard down, it won't matter if we're in a recession or depression... NOTHING will really matter!



I'm concerned about that video
Of the kids singing for Obama.
Where was it recorded and who's kids are in it?
It looks like it was in a classroom where the teacher was heavily for Obama and was indoctrinating the kids to support him.

I certainly hope this wasn't the case.

oracle1
One quibble, Wachovia didn't fail Citi Bank bought them out. You may think small difference but the difference between failing and being bought up is HUGE.

To add to:
"To over-state the metaphor: If your boat is taking on water, and you are opposed, in ideological grounds, to bailing it out, it will sink and you will drown."

In this case isn't the hole the one trying to bail out the boat?

The people who in this case voted against the bail out, want the "HOLE FIXED" in the process.

Robert

McCAIN HYPOCRISY STINKS

Subject: McCAIN HYPOCRISY STINKS

Given that McCain's on record saying he doesn't know much about economics, his lurid "suspend my campaign" lie, coupled with his devastating damage to the process when he flew to his office to call it in...

..given all that terrible, awful mendacity, is it any wonder why Americans, by s 2;1 margin rightly focus the blame on repugnants?

The day of reckoning is at hand.

Americans see the black hole Bush, Cheney, McCain et al have led this brave country into. They are furious, and will make certain that repugnants are Cast Out for a generation, come November 4.

THEN, we'll convene The Truth And Reconciliation Commission, to truly find out the depth of evil Bushco has screwed us with. And not JUST the no-bid Halliburton electrocution of 18-and-counting brave soldiers. Torture, domestic spying, Gitmo, rendition, the whole enchilada, ladies.

Thanks. For nothing.


.

daniel
Before your prove you are complete moron with another post containing nothing but drivel.

Start your education by going here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&eurl=http://www. %20redstate.com/

Be careful though, I know how facts hurt liberals. Judging by your post this may be to much of a shock for your system.

Of course you can do what must liberals do, go into denial, project, shift blame, etc...


daniel
Let me think....

Should I vote for McCain who said "he doesn't know much about economics" and tried to reform system 2 YEARS before it collapsed?

OR

Should I vote for Obama who actively blocked reforms that could of prevented the collapse and took $100,000.00+ dollars from the people getting rich off of us.

Not much of a choice, vote for a guy who admits short comings or vote for a lying crook.

hhhmmmmm

Dr.Who?: daniel has already PROVEN,

beyond a shaddow of a doubt, what a moron he/she is!

No question there!





Dr Who-MDad-Anne-YLG-Others
Look at the videos of kids singing his praises. Listen to the Flowery Platitudes and Rhetoric of ACORN Obama and his Obamabots, Obamatards and Obamanuts. ACORN Obama is The Maginot Line of a HUGE chunk of America.

obama is the radical-rodent!
he wants to collect all the acorns,for-his fellow demo-rats!we are the ones,he yels we are the ones louee farackkan and the crips have been waiting for!!!!

Anne, Georgetwin
Anne, I know he is a moron, I just like playing with libtards.

Georgetwin, I saw the video, C.R.E.E.P.Y.
With his truth squad, his civilian defense force he wants and now child indoctrination?

We are edging ever so near to.
Ziek Hail
DEAR LEADER Obama
Ziek Hail

DIAMOND Z
Acorns, pun intended?

Anyone Know anything about this bill?
H.R. 3221: Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008

A bill to provide needed housing reform and for other purposes.

Status: Introduced Jul 30, 2007
Reported by Committee Sep 5, 2007
Amendments (237 proposed)
Passed House Aug 4, 2007
Passed Senate Apr 10, 2008
Signed by President Jul 30, 2008

Sponsor: Rep. Nancy Pelosi [D-CA]
Rep. Xavier Becerra [D-CA]
Rep. James Clyburn [D-SC]
Rep. Rosa DeLauro [D-CT]
Rep. John Dingell [D-MI]
Rep. Rahm Emanuel [D-IL]
Rep. Barton Gordon [D-TN]
Rep. Steny Hoyer [D-MD]
Rep. Tom Lantos [D-CA]
Rep. John Larson [D-CT]
Rep. Edward Markey [D-MA]
Rep. George Miller [D-CA]
Rep. James Oberstar [D-MN]
Rep. Collin Peterson [D-MN]
Rep. Nick Rahall [D-WV]
Rep. Charles Rangel [D-NY]
Rep. Christopher Van Hollen [D-MD]
Rep. Nydia Velázquez [D-NY]
Rep. Henry Waxman [D-CA]

-Establishes the Home Ownership Preservation Entity Fund to fund the HOPE (Home Ownership Preservation Entity) for Homeowners Program, which will insure up to $300 billion for 30 year refinanced loans for distressed borrowers between October 1, 2008-September 30, 2011 (Sec. 1402).

-Sets conforming loan limitations for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac at a maximum of $417,000 for a single-family residence up to $801,950 for a 4-family residence, adjusted annually (Sec. 1124).

-Provides first-time home buyers with a tax credit of up to $7,500 for residences purchased on or after April 9, 2008, which the homebuyers will repay over fifteen years following their purchase (Sec. 3011).

-Allows a real property tax deduction on the amount of state and local real property taxes paid during the taxable year of up to $500 for individuals and $1,000 for joint returns, applicable to taxable years beginning in 2008 (Sec. 3012).

Limbaugh writes: "I believe John McCain

won the foreign policy debate hands down, but he was unimpressive on economic issues, which, in fairness, were not supposed to be the subject of the first debate."

Now that I think of it, Marxist Obama didn't actually do all that well on economic issues himself.

As Palin said during one town hall meeting some while ago, Obama is all about telling you what he's "going to do" but has yet to demonstrate that he's actually accomplished anything.

Newt also made that same point at the demo convention....

MSNBC's Ron Allen said to the former Speaker, "But to be fair, her resume is not something we're familiar seeing with presidential candidates."

Gingrich's response:

"It's stronger than Barack Obama's. I don't know why you guys walk around saying this baloney. She has a stronger resume than Obama. She's been a real mayor, he hasn't. She has been a real governor, he hasn't. She's been in charge of the Alaskan National Guard, he hasn't. She was a whistleblower who defeated an incumbent mayor. He has never once shown that kind of courage. She's a whistleblower who turned in the chairman of her own party and got him fined $12,000. I've never seen Obama do one thing like that. She took on the incumbent governor of her own party and beat him, and then she beat a former Democratic governor in the general election. I don't know of a single thing Obama's done except talk and write.

"I'd like you to tell me one thing Sen. Obama's done."

Allen's response:

"Thanks very much, Mr. Speaker. I'm going to leave it there. I'm not going to argue the case. Thanks very much."



HR 3221


It likes like we are already on the hook for 300 billion for mortgages - why 700 billion more?

McCAIN ECONOMIC GENIUS DEREGULATOR

Wow...lots of projected venom HERE!!

Your boy has bloody hands, in case you haven't noticed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUJ_Qn0AHTU

You might want to check on some facts before you go hurling stones in your own glass house.

Notice I used no bad aggressive, and inappropriate language as I write this? I know: it's hard for an extremist, in an extremist environment, to be faced with someone NOT in the choir.

But man up: try, try TRY to think of more than yourselves. TRY to "put country first" for once, for real, not just a lame slogan.

Tsk.


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daniel the dimwit
too bad your socialist heroes can't take your advice. Since the johnson administration some $44 trillion has been spent as various entitlements to end poverty and the effects of segregation. Shouldn't taxpayers expect to see some results rather than blacks in the cities deciding to be losers because the chose to be functionally illiterate.

The earners in this country are paying 40% of their income in various taxes, and your messiah claims we need to pay more taxes so he can spend more money on the losers if he gets elected

Exactly when have we seen any instance of leadership from the red nazi and land deal reid during the time they were first minority leaders and now as leaders of congress.

Point out one instance where old swimmer who should have been sent to prison for murder and who hides his income in offshore accounts to avoid paying taxes has ever put america first without his whole career of turning america into a socialist workers paradise.

But then again it seems you can't wait for the country to be destroyed so that all of america can live in poverty

Deregulation
Wow. Daniel, that was pretty weak.

John McCain is on tape supporting deregulation.

This proves -- what, exactly?

Do you know specifically what sort of deregulation he's talking about? Do you even know if deregulation had anything to do with the current financial situation? Did you bother to prove it, or did you decide that it was so self-evident that proof was unnecessary?

This situation was caused and promoted by government intervention in the market, pressuring lenders to make risky loans, and compounding the problem by resisting all attempts to provide some oversight of the GSEs. Did greed get involved? Certainly it did, because lenders were mistakenly lead to believe that government entities would forever shield them from risk. And what is this "deregulation" of which you speak? The politicians with their fingers in the pie were actively engaged with thwarting any attempts at regulation (Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Charles Schumer, Maxine Waters, etc.) The minority was able to block these attempts through their use of the FILIBUSTER. If you haven't heard of it, I'll happily explain it for you. Indeed, lenders were pressured to make risky loans, as government approval for mergers, acquisitions, etc. was often tied to the number of CRA loans they had on their books.

But leave all that aside. It's time to pony up. Explain how "deregulation" caused this. Name the regulation that was removed, and explain how it made all of this happen.

DEREGULATON, RESHMEGMALATION

You really DON'T get it, do you?

Your Most Excellent Repug Dudes, proudly shill out their Youtube "proof", and you expect America will.......what, precisely?

See, while y'all are circle jerkin about the number of angels on the head of your little pin heads, America is appalled. America is SURE, is CERTAIN that you caused this. Deliberately. Because of your Repugnant Greed. Which everyone knows about and abhors. No, no, I know, "that's really NOT true!" you'll say. It doesn't matter. It's Your Fault.

By a 2:1 margin.

Now, if you want, you can 'splain how the exotic investment strategeries that you and your Republican President Shrub cooked up, are "not really" your fault. Your no-tax payin' offshore investin', jobs-to-Mexico sellin' America Out moves are what America remembers. Not your vague C-SPAN moments, when some repugnant might have said, "Geez, maybe this isn't such a good idea?" Too late. Way too late.

We'd love to listen. No, really, I'll Tivo the whole 'splanation. Then, I'll make another Youtube ad. C'mon. Please?

Meanwhile? 312,000 new Democratic voters registered in Ohio and Virginia.

312,000 NEW Democratic voters.

The eternal question, in the words of everyman:

How YOU doin'?


Lotsa luck, girls....


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BUT, IF YOU INSIST...


I'm no expert but my research into the CRA has led me to the conclusion that it had little to do with our current situation. But here's what the conservative Cato institute had to say about the CRA.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv23n3/gunther.pdf


"Growth in lending to low-income neighborhoods by institutions outside cra’s jurisdiction suggests deregulation and technological advances have increased competition, lowered information costs, and increased access to financial services. As a result, a good part of the lending in low-income neighborhoods by financial institutions subject to cra also might reflect those factors, rather than cra lending mandates. The available data support that proposition. Most of the recent growth in lending by cra-covered institutions in low-income neighborhoods has occurred in areas where the institutions do not operate banking offices and have no cra obligations. The inescapable conclusion is that progress predicated on technology, financial innovation, and competition—not cra—has broadened the U.S. financial services marketplace."

The banks weren't "forced" into making subprime loans by the CRA. They were tripping over themselves to make them because they got higher yields from them.

Your Cato Institute.

Any more questions, geniuses? C'mon, smartest guys in the room, right?

Thought so...

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Legacy All the Way to Pelosi and Reid
This Crises in the banking industry all started with Jimmy Carter in 1977.

Democratic Congress comprised of a veto-proof Senate (61 seats) and a House dominated by a Democratic majority (292 Democrats vs. 143 Republicans).

Democrats thought it was 'discriminatory' for banks to NOT loan money to minorities with little or no collateral, bad credit and limited income to repay loans.

The Clinton administration reformed the CRA by creating the 'President's Community Development Bank' which increased lending, reduced paperwork and guaranteed banking services to residents of the inner cities.

Clinton advisor Paul Begala is famous for observing about executive orders, “Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kinda cool."

In 2003, the Bush administration attempted to increase oversight and add a new regulatory arm under the auspices of the Department of the Treasury, with particular emphasis on the monitoring of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the largest holders of CRA subprime paper.

Barney Frank declared, “These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis, the more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."

Pelosi’s Democrats have produced the second highest earmark expenditures in history, the lowest congressional approval ratings in history, and a Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, Charlie Rangel, who’s being investigated for tax evasion, while refusing — with the Speaker’s full support — to step down.

DAN QUAYLE PREPS PALIN

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA



no, stop......hahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAH.....


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daniel
Seriously? You are going to try and say the CRA had nothing to do with this. Facts don't lie. There is a direct correlation in the housing bubble with the modification of the CRA bill Clinton signed. A direct correlation. The exact year housing inflation took off compared to the rest of our economy, but you liberals just don't get it. Your leaders have their pockets getting filled by causing this housing bubble. Your leaders saw this coming, but decided that their bribery was more important.

Its simply insane how you liberals continue to look facts straight in the face and say its a lie.

How you even come on here with any dignity is beyond me.

Read before you cite
daniel,

A few points:

1) The Cato institute is libertarian, not conservative.

2) The article you cited is from 1999.

3) You obviously didn't bother to read it.


The author of the article was making the case that CRA was unnecessary because A) Lending was available to low-income neighborhoods without it, and B) CRA lending was unnecessarily risky. He was trying to build a case that CRA lending SHOULD BE ELIMINATED. You would have known this if you had actually read the entire article. I think you merely picked up the link and the quote from another source.

Also from the article you cited (pay particular note to the last item):

"...The analysis shows that aggressive lending strategies help CRA ratings but hurt safety and soundness ratings. ..."

"...Based on the results from that much smaller sample, evidence suggests that increases in the proportion of home-purchase mortgage volume extended to borrowers in low-income neighborhoods raise the chances of a problem CAMEL rating. The finding casts doubt on the typical claim made by CRA advocates that lending in low-income neighborhoods is relatively innocuous in terms of financial safety and soundness. ..."

"...The statistical results are consistent with the view that the CRA exam process does not take into full account the slowdown in CRA-related activities that the situation requires. As a result, the CRA exam process tends to assign inferior ratings to banks struggling with financial difficulties. ..."

"...Unfortunately, the conflict between CRA and safety and soundness may not receive the remedial attention it requires until the next round of widespread asset quality problems. ..."

As far as the assessment of amounts of CRA and non-CRA lending in low-income neighborhoods, this article is 9 years out of date, so its figures are meaningless today. CRA lending was pushed more vigorously starting in 1999 when Franklin Raines took over FNMA.
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