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Tuesday, August 19, 2008
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
Pro-Choice McCain Veep Equals Political Suicide
by David Limbaugh
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I hate to rain on John McCain's parade right after he trounced Barack Obama at Rick Warren's Saddleback Church forum, for which I heartily applaud him, but McCain's trial balloon consideration of a pro-choice running mate demands a response.

The prospect of an Obama presidency is so horrifying that many conservatives have temporarily put aside their misgivings about McCain to focus on defeating Obama.

They hold their noses on McCain's immigration record, his campaign finance reform zealotry and his newfound acquiescence to the propaganda narrative of environmental extremists. But they are profoundly appreciative of his tougher stance against tax increases and mindful of his undeniable superiority over Obama on foreign policy and national defense. Recent world events, including Russia's naked aggression against Georgia, magnify this already-glaring contrast.

But while national defense necessarily occupies the front burner, McCain would make a fatal mistake to assume that social issues, especially abortion, are ever off an equally blazing front burner for an inestimable number of social conservatives, the Republicans' most reliable voting bloc over the past three decades.

Last Wednesday, McCain "floated the prospect" of picking a pro-choice running mate and said that former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge would be an acceptable -- and possible -- selection.

He told The Weekly Standard: "I think that the pro-life position is one of the important aspects or fundamentals of the Republican Party. And I also feel that -- and I'm not trying to equivocate here -- that Americans want us to work together."

McCain must quit echoing the Democratic talking point that places form over substance and the illusion of bipartisanship above principle. Who says Americans "want us to work together" if that means abandoning legal protection for the innocent unborn or other inviolable principles?

McCain said: "You know, Tom Ridge is one of the great leaders, and he happens to be pro-choice. And I don't think that that would necessarily rule Tom Ridge out."

With all due respect, Sen. McCain, you may not rule Tom Ridge out, but if you choose him, you're virtually guaranteed of ruling yourself out. You misunderstand this at your electoral peril.

Ridge, on "Fox News Sunday," also revealed his misapprehension of the importance of the life issue to a large percentage of Republican voters when he opined that his pro-choice stance wouldn't make him a liability among conservatives. "The last time I checked, the vice president is not an independent voice," said Ridge.

That woefully misses the point. Not only is the vice president the president's immediate successor if the president dies or becomes incapacitated but also McCain's selection of a pro-abortionist candidate would send a message grossly undermining the Republican Party's uncompromising commitment to the lives of the unborn.

But McCain apparently doesn't fully understand that. He said, "I think it's a fundamental tenet of our party to be pro-life, but that does not mean we exclude people from our party that are pro-choice."

No pun intended, but McCain is presenting a false choice here. Excluding pro-abortionists from vice presidential consideration is not the same as excluding pro-choice people from the party. We're not talking rank and file party membership, but the selection of the candidate for the second-highest office in the land, whose importance is that much greater considering McCain's age.

We don't need exit polling data -- only the powers of observation, experience and common sense -- to know that many pro-lifers are either single-issue voters or consider abortion to be by far the most important issue.

You can be sure that they won't vote for McCain if he picks a pro-abortionist running mate. They will not have that blood on their hands; and you can bank on that.

Postmodernist conventional wisdom notwithstanding, it is not an extremist position to be uncompromisingly opposed to killing babies in the womb. Being a matter of good versus evil, it is a morally imperative position.

But if principle alone doesn't float the McCain boat on this issue, which I don't want to believe, the McCain camp also ought to consider other political ramifications of selecting a pro-abortionist.

On no issue besides national security is Barack Obama more vulnerable than abortion. He not only has been without peer in his cultlike deification of abortion -- to the point of legislatively enabling infanticide -- but also is flagrantly and demonstrably lying about his record on these issues. And Obama doesn't even have the maturity of conviction or integrity to express an unequivocal position on when life begins, that question being above his "paygrade."

McCain has a golden opportunity to expose both Obama's dark-heartedness and his lack of integrity by zeroing in on his abortion and infanticide record. But if McCain picks a pro-abortionist, he will forfeit his moral authority and political advantage on the issue and might very well be conceding the election to Obama.

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Memo to McCain
Abortion matters to us. Choose your VP wisely.

I Want Mitt Romney 4VP
I'd be very pleased with Romney on McCain's ticket. Romney would be great considering our economic circumstances. I'd also be thrilled with Sarah Palin, Governor of Alaska. She's conservative, pretty, smart, and very classy. She'd be great.

Lieberman or Ridge would be too horrible to even consider.

Taking Our Votes For Granted
The McCain campaign assumes the conservative base will not abandon him; the prospect of an Obama Presidency is too horrifying for us to even comtemplate. McCain assumes his base is in his back pocket, so he's focusing on the windblown undecisives and hoping they'll blow his direction.

Realistically, I think that McCain is right that conservatives won't abandon him; America is desperately hanging at the edge of the cliff with the extreme liberals and socialists in power, and we know Obama would be detrimental. Atleast we know that McCain is not going to go out of his way to destroy America and build something else.

It is what it is; the best we can hope for is to come out strong in 2012 with a truly conservative candidate. By then, Jindall will have matured in office and have a substantial amount of experience and qualifications to bring to the table. Sarah Palin is another of my favorites.


Limbaugh, you're kidding yourself

McCain has proclaimed that his candidacy "redefines" conservatism and the GOP, and appointing a pro-choice running mate would fall right in line with his stated goal to do precisely that.

THAT is EXACTLY the problem with McCain's nomination, if he succeeds at the convention.

It further goes to illustrate his underlying arrogance and hubris. This is a guy who, at his core, has NEVER believed in true conservative principles; has gone out of his way to stick his thumb in the eyes of conervatives for decades; only pays lip service to the ideals when running for office; and can't be depended on to do anything more than he's done for the last two decades: "reach across the aisle" to pass legislation that Kennedy would be proud of (and on which has actually shared sponsorship with McCain).



Something else to consider: Just think about how lousy a President Bush has been since winning his final election: amnesty (twice), lightbulb mandates, expanded entitlements.

Think about what will happen when McCain reaches the same point, a guy who's already so wrong on so many issues, as Limbaugh mentions.

A McCain presidency will make Bush look like the reincarnation of Reagan by comparison. If you're unhappy with Bush, you'll simply LOATHE McCain.


Pfffftt, Brickhouse

There's a better chance of a comet landing in my back yard than my voting for McLiberal, and I think I'm no different from a lot of disaffected conservatives, so your thesis strikes me as a great example of being in a state of denial.


Limbaugh is Un-American
He's all about himself.
If Obama wins, he'll likely sink the country - Limbaugh doesn't care. Not even John Roberts is going to try and tackle Roe V Wade - a vp will have no effect whatsoever.

Limbaugh is the exact kind of guy that will guarantee the continuing murder of the unborn through his arrogant diatribes.





BrianR
Not voting for McCain (hold your nose if you have to) is a vote for Obama.
Consider the consequence.
Consider Obama's Supreme Court nominees...he told us whow he would not have put up.
If abortion is your issue consider where Obama will lead us.
I plan to hold my nose and vote...for anyone he takes as VP.... except one...then I too will sit out.

No, "thru & thru",

Actually my vote that I don't cast for McCain will be a vote for Barr or Baldwin.

I don't buy into that guilt trip crapola about default votes. My vote will be specifically for a specific candidate.

If the GOP can't nominate a candidate who can earn my vote as a conservative, they won't get it. Maybe what you should consider is that if Obama wins, it's the GOP'S fault for not putting forward a better candidate.

The Supreme Court is a bogus issue. The two most likely justices to retire are Ginsburg and Stevens, the two most liberal. So two libs get replaced witht wo OTHER libs? So what?

Further, there's no guarantee GOP-nominated Justices would be any better. Seven -- yes, SEVEN -- of the sitting Justices were appointed by Republicans. So ask yourself why opinions aren't 7-2 conservative.


Ask Al
BrianR: ask Al Gore how he feels about Ralph Nader...same logic.
Court: granted the two you cite are 'about there'...would it not be wonderful if another Roberts and Alito could take their place instead of two clones of Stevens and Ginsberg?
A chance with McCain...NO chance with Obama.

Just
when I think I can hold my nose long enough
up pops this balloon. I hope that RNC and McCain aides are reading these posts, and posts at other conservative sites and find out exactly how we think and believe (I almost said feel but feelings are for DEMONRATS on issues).

I dont believe I could bring myself to vote for Ridge..I have a problem with politicos that call themselves Christian and then are anti life, It doesn't compute. This is a Godsend
for McCain with Obama really stepping in the
ccw flap up to his knees this weekend.

I like Joe L but if he's going to be included,
in a cabinet position like Clinton put thatRINO
Cohen in his.

"Thru & thru", did you not get it?

I don't care. I don't vote for liberals -- EVER -- regardless of what letter they stick behind their name.

You think McLiberal would appoint a Roberts or Alito or Scalia or Thomas?

You interested in this bridge I have for sale?


Pro-choice McCain veep equals plitical s
This article really brings it home, and should scare all of us. Please write John McCain and tell him who you want for VP. I write often and tell him I believe he will win the election if he appoints either Mke Huckabee or Romney, but if he appoints Graham or Lieberman or Tom Ridge, there is going to be a third party canidate. Some people are alreay working on it, and they will only take votes away from McCain, and Obama could be the next president or dictator.

Pro-Choice McCain Veep Equals Political
Great article Mr. Limbaugh! Thank you for your strong stand for the unborn threatened by abortion, who need us to speak out on their behalf. I would like to bring to your attention a new powerful 4 minute YouTube pro-life video entitled "Fearfully And Wonderfully Made: Voice Of The Children". It is performed by Sharon Morgan, at the age of 7. Obama will never hear the voices of the unborn unless they are wanted. http://www.tinyurl.com/FAWMVIDEO
God bless you for defending what the Bible refers to as "the least of these".

Cindee Morgan

Re: Let go of this issue and win...
Abortion is an issue that should be left out of politics. The question when life begins, is utterly immaterial to whether a woman has the right to choose not to have a pregnancy carried to full term. Life, if we wan to be really precise, begins before conception does. The sperm as well as the ovum are lving cells, while in the body of a living person. The fertilized ovum becomes a form of life with potential of becoming a full human life (in the case of human fertiliztion). But the question should be more "does a woman have the right to choose to abort an unwanted pregnancy or not?" God allows and allowed mankind the "free will". God does not interfere in this. Why should man have more right over another man than God? If eternal damnation is the price a woman pays for her choice, it is her right to choose so.
I wish a conservative Republican to take the White House, but if fanatical religious people will be so presumptuous as to dictate their potential leader more than even God does, they will deserve Satan himself to take leadership!

Re: What about miscarriages?
I wish ther would be a stistic on spontenous abrtions. Who is reponsible for miscarriages? If one beieves, as I do" that everything happening to a human being is the will of GOd, than Gos is reponsible for "mudreing" those miscarried "human beings". Does that make God a murderer? What about shildren dying form cancer or heart defects? God murders them? No! God is all knowing and in Hids wisdom He makes CHOICES. We may not be aware as to the why of those choices, but "who are we " to question the will of GOd?
I firmly beleive, that God controls even our hearts and desires. If God wants a child to be born, He will make the woman desire that child, and no humna power can stop that woman from having that child. Same goes for the opposite!
Please change this attitude of presumptuasness, that we, as humans, through the power of government can interfere with the will of God!

Vice President
I doubt if John McCain will take on any candidate that is not pro-life. These remarks were put out there for media consumption - in an attempt to keep people talking and wondering - should he select Romney with his record which is probably only about 90% clean on the abortion issue - that will look like 100%. How can there be a compromise on this subject? There is no 'reaching across the aisle' on this matter.
But Barack Obama's position on this (which he lied about at the forum - what else is new)
is so digusting - America wake up.
Everyone should write to the McCain campaign over and over again.

Limbaugh
What is all the fuss about? If McLame nominates a prochoice liberal (R) it will be no different than the finger he has been poking in the eyes of conservatives all along.

Do you expect a snake to act like a rabbit or a worm to act like a blue bird?

Personally I think he will go with Lieberman. That would be an even bigger poke in the eye and maybe some of these "got to vote for him because the Vomit will make us sick" crowd will wake up.

Pro-Choice or Partially Pregnant
Compromising with Pro-Choice politicians and activists is like a female telling her partner that she's thinks she's parttially pregnant. There are some issues that politicians mustn't be lukewarm.

McCain and Hillary...
....will McCain do as Hillary did? Everytome Hillary got a step up on Obama in the primaries she always seemed to trip up due to her own fantasies and indulgences and wound up second. If McCain pursues his "maverick" fantasies and indulgences he will finish second as well.

What can one expect from an adulterer?
This McCain guy, divorces his wife and marries his chick only a month after? Yes, this guy has the morals of an old rooster!

As a matter of fact Obama has actually higher personal morals than this guy who claims that America has annointed him to be Commander in Chief, just because he spent several years in a
North Vietnam prison.

Just for the records, I have absolutely no use for neither candidate. Both go to La Raza and beg for votes! This action by both I rate it as treason of the first order. Yes, I am speaking as a legal immigrant of 52+ years and a staunch conservative Christian Republican.

The only man that would have taken me to vote was Ron Paul. There are no ifs and buts in him as to the morality of human life from conception. Also, a man of his word where "until death do us part" proves his manliness!

McCains
only chance is a pro choice candidate. One nod to the right and McCain is done. He doesn't need any more support from the right. He's trying to win. He's not trying to garner support from the has been rwcons. They're shrinking in number and influence. Otherwise there would be a conservative heading the republican ticket.

McCains choice for V.P.
Checking on his background,I would say:Take
Mitt-Romney as V.P.He can keep the economy going.He has a proven record.

KID OBAMA RADICAL LEFT NATION....

sends their deepest thanks to Vic and BrianR.

If the Dem.Party ran Ted Kennedy or Geroge Soros or Hugo Chavez for POTUS it wouldn't matter! If Ronald Reagan came back from the dead to run as VP with McCain it wouldn't matter.

There will be a few conservatives who will not vote for John McCain if he ran against Satan.

And so today George Soros, Dennis Kucinich, MSNBC, the City Councils Of Berkeley and San Francisco, the Black Panthers, the Black Muslims, Barbra Streisand, Sean Penn, every pro-abortion group in this country and all of the left send their deepest love and appreciation.

The rest of America may be starting to turn to McCain, but the left can always count on BrianR and Vic. Yep. They will hold their ground to the death, continue to spread their hate for McCain and help out the left. Kid Obama Radical Left Nation is very grateful.

H.D.
Get over the break-up of McCain's first marriage. If you can't, read about King David in the Old Testament.

Explain to me Obama's silence in his old church for 15 or so years while his pastor sowed the seeds of virulent lies, hate, and racism in countless hearts and minds of so many congregants. If Obama had an ounce of courage, he'd have been in Wright's face that FIRST time he spewed any of that nonsense. Obama inaction is the very height of cowardice. He did and said nothing SOLELY because it was in his political best interest to keep his mouth shut. Obama wants to lead a national conversation on race, but he doesn't have the moral authority to do so. With courage like Obama's, he'd have been on the first flight out of Hanoi had he been faced with McCain's choice regarding early release.

Obama = shameless coward.

Vic, BrianR
I'm with you guys. McCain has already infuriated me to the point there is nothing he can do to make me vote for him. What's more, in the practical case, abortion has little to do with presidential selection since the president has little power over the level of abortion, particularly with what may well be a veto proof congress. However, i admit to wavering at times when Obama pulls some ignorant stunt revealing his basic mindset. Also the column on the possible negative impact of an Obama defeat on the Ds had appeal. But i came to my own conclusion that the Ds thrive on being victims and an Obama defeat would be seen as confirmation of all their victim fantasies. So i will vote for the person i think will make the best president. Right now, that is neither Obama nor McCain. I just wish everyone would do the same. Its the tactical votes, the identity votes, the pocketbook votes, the free lunch votes that will bury this country.

T.C.
Don't forget me. If McCain wants my vote he can have it easily. Just repeat loudly, clearly and often, that his first oficial act upon assuming office will be to pardon Ramos and Compean. That would move him immediately out of the political pander class and into the small group of politicos who put this country ahead of their own scheming and self-agrandizement.

The Rape of McAmnesty's Daughter
Let's not forget that during the primary season a reporter asked McAmnesty what would happen if his daughter were raped (say, by an illegal alien he has let in, as so many American women have), and got pregnant. He said they would seriously discuss abortion. Now he tells the evangelicals just the opposite! "Do as I say, not as I do!" This guy is a liberal Democrat, and you are wrong to try to portray him otherwise. You already have an abortionist on the ticket--McAmnesty--and don't be surprised if he picks another to run with him.
SLICK TALK LIES!!!

The party of BUTT...
I think the part that bothers me the most is that he would even consider it. This shows where his mind is, its: just tell them what we need to get in and then “the maverick” rams his agenda up our collective butts.

Well here is my theory (for what it’s worth).
The gutless GOP has wasted 7 years of being in power. It seems like they are clueless from immigration to ear marks. They seem to fight better when they are the minority party,(maybe after all of those years they got use to it) I think the main problem is we have not had a conservative leader since Reagan. A real leader. From Reagan on, our leaders have been nothing but country club conservatives. A large part of the Republican party hates its own base, the religions right, anti abortion, gun right, low taxes and mostly SMALL GOVERNMENT.
The “new GOP” wants to be Democrat lite. (with things like, yes we believe in the GW lie “but” not as much as the Democrats.) Or we want to grow Government (“but” not as much as the Democrats). We have become the party of “Butt”.
If Mc Cain is POTUS the Republican party (because he is now the head of it) will go along with Mc Cain’s ideas and push the legislation. He has proven over and over that he has NO PROBLEM working with the Democrats, keep in mind that he was headed that way in 2000. So with the thought that every president wants to make an impact and have his legislation passed we will see left leaning bills. (lots of them) with no one in opposition. Not the Republicans, not the Democrtats. Every left leaning idea will be on the fast track. Remember Mc Cain said he did not like Edwards as a pick.
Don’t forget on Mc Cain’s meeting with La Raza.
Look I could be dead wrong, but I am sooooo tired of this system of picking a President: I hate him “but.. he is not as bad as the Democrat. We can and have to do better then: but..


Pistol.

Good point. I won't debate with you Ramos and Compean. And sometimes I'd like to tell McCain to shape up on certain issues.

However, may I point out the following:

This past weekend I saw two men answer questions about Osama bin Laden. One of those men stated he would hound bin Laden until he is found and make him pay for what he did. The other guy might as well have said, "Osama who?".

Also, I read your post to BrianR and Vic. I disagree with you on the abortion issue. I can not vote for a person who has a perfect, 100 percent pro-abortion voting record. I CAN AND WILL vote for someone who just told America and the world this past weekend, "Life begins at conception".


Pistol
Good Morning

Yes, I am sick of these a vote for x is a vote for the Vomit. I will return my standard why only idiots vote for Mclame post every time I see that.

A Vote For McLame is a Wasted Vote
Voting for McLame because he is not as far left as O’Vomit is just like congress called it a budget cut just because they didn’t raise the spending as much as they wanted or planned.

A negative is still a negative and I have held my nose and pulled the lever for the last time with Bush. I did just like I had done in every election since Reagan. I held my nose and voted for the lesser of the evils, or as I used to say at the time, I voted against Kerry, I did not vote FOR Bush.

Voting for McLame because you think he will appoint originalist judges is wishful thinking and runs contrary to his record which is NOT originalist.

All that this has got us is the Republicrats drifting further and further to the left. They are in search of that mythical independent voter who doesn't make up his mind until 2 minutes before voting. In other words, they are chasing a chimera and will lose more than they gain. As long as we reward them for this bad behavior they will continue to chase liberal votes by moving further to the left.

As the Republicans drift further to the left taking some of the Commiecrats issues for their own, the Commiecrats will drift further to the left. It becomes an endless cycle of moving further into socialism. What we will ultimately wind up with is a “Stalin” running against a “Mao” and being asked to vote for Stalin because he’ll kill fewer millions than Mao.

People, if you vote for someone who has continually stabbed you in the back, then you deserve every backstab you get.

Dear Mr. McCain . . .
. . . WAKE UP!! For many of us ultra-conservatives, you're barely hanging on by a thread. I've said from the beginning that you are the wrong man at the wrong time in history to go up against the Billary-O'Vomit machine . . . but, that aside, if you choose a pro-abortion VP, you're toast!!! I'll vote for Alfred P. Newman . . .

Jana Martin
Oklahoma City, OK

It would not surprise me at all
if McCain chose a pro abortion candidate. McCain seems hell bent to demonstrate that he does not need social conservatives (or even conservatives in general) which makes most of us wonder what, exactly, the Republican party is all about if not conservative values.

We are all horrified at the prospect of an Obama presidency, but how can we talk about McCain compromising his values, when we are ready to compromise our values by voting for McCain?

I have a tendency to think that conservatives should send a clear message to the RNC that we will not compromise by not giving our vote to McCain. When Obama becomes president, we could spend the next four years praying for our nation and leave our fate in God's hands. At least we will know we followed our conscience.

Do we trust God or don't we?

T.C.
Your views, even those with which i disagree, are perfectly reasonable and defensible. Never before has the future seemed so uncertain, nor my own path so murky. Choices are not easy and i am well aware how wrong i could be. Nevertheless, choose i must.
I applaud McCain's clear words on conception. I would much like to hear more such words on illegl immigration, the social security and entitlement problems etc. However, words are just words. I am reminded of Bush1 and "Read my lips". Still, he is doing better than Obama who has said nothing with clarity.
BTW, my daughter is adopted. I would like to thank every woman who has given a child up for adoption. My beautiful happy daughter is a mother herself now. I don't have much info on the results of abortions, but i know adoptions have brought happiness to millions of us.

Amnesty = Suicide
The Republican Party under GWB seems intent on political suicide. Pandering to citizens of other countries illegally in our country while telling us we must be vigilantes if we object to illegal aliens ignoring our borders and laws. Mel Martinez was RNC Chairman to ensure an open borders candidate in '08. The cheap labor express will be kept running, regardless of the consequences, to party or country.

GOP-RIP

MC Cain and the RNC notice..
Vic post 38,
Spot on! That is what I have been saying all along. The GOP has to pay some price for becoming Democratic lite. It seems like they have learned NOTHING in the last two election cycles. They spend like crazy, and then wonder why people do not come out to support them. They try to open our borders wide open, then scratch their empty heads and wonder why we don’t support them. The switch boards in Washington tied up, e-mails poring in, people mailing in bricks (me being one) and yet they call us names, and still try to put it up for votes!!!

This is a government that has said to us: %&^$&@# YOU
.
I was not nuts about Bush but his stand on abortion helped. If Mc Cain is even thinking about a pro abortion candidate, what does that say about his mind set? Its: screw you conservatives, (for about the 20th time).

They stupid part is, just like the NYT he plays to them and in the end they will hate him too.

Back on the farm we are wondering what happened, I know we were run over by the “Straight Talk Express.” What ever that is..
There has to be a movement to have our primaries on one day. That will keep the MSM and cross over votes out of the mix and give states like us here in NC some kind of vote. Maybe someone should take it to court, someone in the last state to vote will never have their vote count.

Have the person with the second most votes be the VP, why in the hell do we let the parties pick the replacement for our president if he dies??


Thank you, David
You read my mind. John McCain HAS to see, IF HE WANTS TO WIN, that this issue is a deal-breaker. The energy issue can get us actually excited to vote FOR him, and not just AGAINST Obama, but if he picks a pro-choice runningmate, he will lose me and THOUSANDS, MAYBE MILLIONS of voters who will go to the polls just to vote down-ticket, and leave the "President" slot BLANK. Then, Obama will win by default.

This is not a threat, Senator McCain. This is the absolute truth. If you want to WIN, you MUST choose a pro-life candidate. Don't make a costly and suicidal mistake.

Mom in Wisconsin

Why Things Are The Way They Are
The K Street Hustlers that own the Republican Party have had a hard time selling influence to Hedge Fund managers and Global Corporations when the Party represents traditional American values. Those that make millions of dollars a year, send their children to private schools, view drug abuse and sexual deviance as racy lifestyle choices, and live in zip codes where the police are viewed as private security; see the Conservative base of the Republican Party as repugnant. So what is a self respecting lobbyist/influence peddler to do? Quite simply remake the Party. Fund a slate of ultra liberal candidates; hire a rube to talk southern until his variety show is picked up, and gerrymander a primary so the citizens of the great state of New Hampshire pick the Republican nominee. Conservatives you can reject the candidate created by the heirs of Jack Abramoff or become an irrelevant afterthought in the Republican Party.

2012
McCain will probably "Maverick" himself right out of this election.

So just look forward to 2012 GOP ticket of Romney/Jindal.

For someone to vow
that they would work actively to overturn Roe is political suicide, they'd never get elected.

To proclaim that life begins at conception and that it is sacred and deserving of Constitutional protections is step one.
To promise to nominate judges that are strict constructionists is step two.
The Constitution guarantees life, liberty etc.

Add it up...Mccain is a man of his word, we will get a SC that will look at this issue in the proper light and do the right thing, we can only hope it will be found to be un-constitutional.

With bambi, you can believe this abomination will continue for decades.

For people who speak of "unwanted pregnancy", unless you were raped, you're pregnant because you were irresponsible, you "chose" to get in the sack with some guy, you shouldn't get to "choose" to murder the innocent result.

As to the rape angle,you should work to execute these animals instead of holding candle-light vigils for them.

usa4freedom
Actually they need to eliminate primaries all together and go to a 3 part run-off election. Start with the normal 8 or 10 real candidates and hold votes 3 months apart eliminated the bottom candidates each time until only two or left and then hold the election.

We also should eliminate ALL campaign finance laws except full and immediate disclosure and a ban of all contributions from outside the election district up for office. In other words, only U.S. citizens could contribute to presidential candidates (already a law), only State residents could contribute to their Senate races, and only congressional district residents could contribute to their races.

To get that we would have to do it via a new Constitutional convention because it will get NO support from either Party. This would, in effect, eliminate parties and that would be a GOOD thing.

BTW
If we had all of that in place McLame would be sitting on the sidelines now. 70% of the voters voted against him.

Seawolf
ASctually overturning Roe is the best thing that could happen because that would return it to the States and allow the people to decide rather than judges.

Cynical
Regardless of who is elected president this year, every abortion legal today will remain legal four years from now. The Republicans give pro-life causes lip-service when they are running for president (see: Mitt Romney) but do nothing for the cause once in office. People forget that even Ronald Reagan, when he was governor of California, signed pro-choice legislation into law. Every abortion that was legal under Carter has remain legal under Reagan, Bush, Carter and Bush. Pro-life is a talking point only for Republican politicians (except for Huckabee), to get your vote and so gain power. Focus on what McCain or Obama will actually do in office on other issues.

Georgia-Detroit-Gal
Once again you miss the forest because you are staring at the veins in the leaves. The will of the people was overturned by 5 unelected liberals based on idiocy. As it stands currently unless he wishes to take an Andrew Jackson stance of telling the SCOTUS to take a hike, the president can do NOTHING about abortion.

The only thing he can do is appoint justices who will return the Constitution to primacy instead of the liberal political aspirations of 5 black-robed idiots. Unfortunately Reagan had a Commiecrat Congress who refused to even allow a real justice to come up for a vote. Sort of like the current useless Congress that we have now.

Pro-Choice Veep
I like David and his more famous younger bro, but as a person whose two biggest voting factors are actually Pro-Life and military support, I'm not sure I agree with him on this. I do believe in McCain's pro-life credentials and that the VP must play a support role to the president. Ridge would be a very good choice as a VP in every aspect except for his pro-life belief. Lieberman, as much as I like him, would be too much of a Democrat and as a pro-choice person, would be a horrible VP candidate.

Right on Target
I agree. A Pro-choice VP will doom McCain. At the present I will vote for McCain "holding my nose." If he goes pro-choice on VP, I will stay home in November, a first for this 73 year older.

Use the bully pulpit
(Vic): "As it stands currently unless he wishes to take an Andrew Jackson stance of telling the SCOTUS to take a hike, the president can do NOTHING about abortion."

He can't do anything to outlaw abortion via the stroke of a pen, but he can do a lot to advance the cause of ending this moral travesty by speaking out more forcefully about the evil of abortion and the moral jeopardy that the current legal standing of this practice poses for America. The president has the bully pulpit, and if he chooses, he can use it to good effect.

Pro-life is the only choice
A true biblical worldview necessitates a pro-life position. In the OT, God gave the Israelites a choice -- blessings or cursings, life or death -- and instructed them to choose life. Although I do not think that today's Christian can assume the identity of the Israelites and replace them as God's chosen, I do believe that there is a universal principle to be gleaned here. God is always pro-life.

Now, many will point to all the people who were killed according to the instructions of God, so in order to avoid a theological debate, God allows for the removal of evil via death -- and this is not contradictory. I am also not sanctioning the killing of abortionists here.

Abortion is evil, plain and simple. McCain's response to Rick Warren's question on how to deal with evil was, "Defeat it." Why then would he choose to "reach across the aisle" so to speak, and choose a pro-death running mate in order to display "work[ing] together"? Now that is contradictory.

If it comes down to a choice between higher taxes -- and other sufferings that may be imposed on me from the liberals in power -- and life, I'll allow my wallet to suffer in place of the unborn. I will not be voting for a pro-death candidate regardless of party affiliation or the position he is seeking.

LET'S NOT COME TOGETHER

.....Let's not compromise our principles ...let's not walk acros the aisle to "work" with the enemy ...yes! I mean "enemy" ...not loyal opposition ...not so-called patriots who love America but act like Communists ...

.....I don't know where politicians like Bush and McCain get the idea that people want the Partys to work together for America ...it is not going to happen ...people might say it but deep down they don't believe it ...

.....How does someone who is pro-life, "work" with someone who thinks abortion is a "right"? ...how does freedom compromize with slavery? ...

.....I don't want to work with Democrats ...I want to defeat them ...I want to make them a very small minority ...and I want a President who thinks the same way ...I want a Preident who says I am going to Washington to kick the Democrats butt ...

.....I do not see much of a difference between Democrats, Environmentalists and Communists ...and I don't want a President who wants to work and compromize with them ...I want a John Bolton in the Oval Office .....COLOSSUS

Cut off Nose to Spite Face?
Pretty much a head in the sand column from Lindbaugh. Abortion is here. It exists as part of our society. I do not approve of it. What the Vice President of the U.S. thinks about it is of no concern to me compared with the thought of an Obama Presidency. Someone who would cut off their nose to spite their face on this issue would in essence, have their head in the sand. McCain isn't my choice, he's not conservative enough. But he is a whole world better than the alternative.

Pro Choice?
Loved your article, it hits right to the heart of the matter.
McCain should remember that the people put him in a position to be President of the United States of America.
Most of those people believe very strongly on the subject of abortion.
He should understand that a pro life vice presidential candidate would be the smarter way to go.
My pick would be Newt Gingrich first and Bobby Jindal second.
Experience first, then youthful exuberance second.
He can not afford to make any mistakes here his country is counting on it.

You'll Never get a Pro-Choice Vote
Choice a Pro Choice VP and you'll get a few million Pro-Choice Demrebs to vote for you. This is a lot more than the Pro-Life Right wingers that will abandon you. Where are they going to go? If you are Pro-Life, like me, then you are also Pro-Capitalism, Anti-progressive tax, Anti-Nationalized Healthcare, Pro-Individualism. All of these things are heavily threatened by an Obamanation. Remember, a truly intelligent person does not choose a candidate but rather identifies their own belief system and then vote AGAINST the person that most threatens it. A President has a much greater ability to worsen things than he does of making things better. There will always be poor people, there will always be hungry people. Thinking you can fix that by raising taxes and creating programs will only worsen our economy and never solve an unsolvable situation.

I didn't realize
There are so many self proclaimed conservatives working for Obama's campaign.

MCCAIN IN A BOX

.....MCCAIN can't say that life begins at conception and then select a running mate who thinks its OK to kill that life ...even for a politician, that is too much of a contradiction ...

.....To stop McCain from destroying the Republican Party ....email the RNC, info@rnc.org and the GOP, info@gop.com and tell them you will not vote for a ticket that has a pro-choice running mate .....COLOSSUS

Its speculation
Right now it is all speculation. Who knows who McCain is serious about for VP? If McCain blows it with a prodeath repub so be it. Until he decides and announces it we are all barking at the moon.

McCain and Abortion
I think Republicans will fall in line and vote for our ticket even if Satan is the VP. We always do. That's why we win elections.

Pro-Choice VP
Where do you think McCain got enough support to grab the nomination from? In the early days Conservatives all opposed him. It was from the Centrists who got him in. (Whom are equaly positioned regarding Choice.) He proved so far, that the christian conservatives no longer own the republican party. His position was founded on the cnetrist vote. Meanwhile, many Democrats who are fiscal conservatives and are also pro choice and would give McCain their vote with a pro choice VP candidate. Unfortuntely Democratic values corrupted when the far Left captured the party. And the republican party became corrupted with far right conservatives.

The biggest voting block remains the centrists.
And it was those centrists who got McCain the nomination. Not the conservatives.

Social issues need to take the back seat when our economy is failing, our national security is of no value (you can't fight a major war while imported oil).

So in my opinion, a pro-choice VP will pull in the many borderline centrists and the Democratic right leaning conservatives. That is the biggest voting block. Yes! Some Christian conservatives would stay home rather than vote. But it would be stupid to do so, because that would be a vote for Obama which would be the end of our country.

I myself would prefer Mickey Mouse if he supported drilling in ANWR and the Bakken fields. http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911*

Bringing back affordable gas, and in time, reversing the oil trade deficit is the only important issue at this time. Our economy, standing of living and our National security depend on that. Not drilling domestically would ultimately lead to the end of our economy in a very short time. Healthcare, Taxes, Abortion & etc would be of no meaning if there is no country left.

Logic ???
Let's see now - If McCain chooses a pro-choice VP, the right to life folks will abandon him and assure a clearly not just pro-choice, but pro-abortion president to be elected.

This is idiotic. Aim gun at foot and fire. Go from someone who would support your wishes to someone who will actively work against them.

The conservative position should be to promote individual liberty. This means pro-choice is the logical conservative position.

This does NOT mean being pro-abortion. One can oppose abortion with every fiber, but still maintain that the choice only involves those directly in the situation. A pro-life position then requires working to make the anti-abortion choice the most desirable.

McCain and Pro-Abort VP
I agree fully with David Limbaugh (and Austin Ruse, who has written equally well on this critical moral *and* political topic). If Sen. McCain chooses a pro-abort running mate, not only will he lose the election, the Republican Party will {deservedly} reenter the political desert. I stopped giving financial support to the Republican Party a few years ago. I'll leave it altogether if a pro-abort is chosen to be on the ticket. Sen. McCain and his advisors will have BADLY miscalculated the passion (as Tony Perkins observed last night) of the social conservative base if he walks off the Ridge.

Ridge - Zzzzzzzzzzzz
Ridge didn't even do a good job with Homeland Security. I still don't know what I'm supposed to do when the threat level changes colors. That was his big contribution. I can't see him as a plus to the McCain ticket.

Let's face it. We need to think seriously about McCain's age. His VP could be President in 4 years if McCain turns out to be a one-term guy. No Lieberman (too old with Pelosi in the wings and don't hand the office to a guy who caucuses with the Democrats), no Ridge and no pal Lindsey Graham (hysterical drama queen - immigration). I really like Jindal but he's young enough to wait his turn and get some seasoning.

For Brickhouse
Unfortunately, I believe McCain will choose his VP candidate by the unwritten "wisdom" of using a candidate less impressive (and less credentialed) than himself.

The candidate that fits that description is....Sen. Arlen Spectre.

impeachbush
Ignoring the elephant in the corner?

You can agree or disagree with McCain a to when a baby should be accorded human rights. You seem to ignore the fact that Obama can't even say a child that has been born alive should be accorded human rights. If not even then? Then when does Obama believe these human rights should be accorded? When the parents feel like it?

You can try to deflect and change the subject all you want but Obama has taken a very disturbing position and his voting recorded in which he is willing to allow babies (no loner in the womb) die from neglect lying on a table.

abortion and war
The taking of the most innocent and defenseless of lives through abortion can hardly be compared to the sacrifice of one whose life is cut short fighting evil forces in an all volunteer military. The ridiculous moral equivalence from the left is amazing!

Ridge is a U.S. Marine --- You're NOT
Ridge is a true patriot .... while you're merely a lawyer.

impeachbush
It is rather remarkable that you condemn McCain as a war monger YET you do not condemn a person like Obama who thinks it is okay to kill babies just born.

It tells us quite a bit about you.

Dr. Who
Indeed, the war on the unborn is justified through the inconvenience a baby may impose on a mother. A war to defeat outright evil, on the other hand, isn't considered just even if it frees millions of people from the imposed inconvenience of tyranny and torture.

abortion
If McCain picks a pro-murder candidate I would not vote at all in this election. He needs to back up his views with the VP he selects

Re; V.P. picks & other things!!!!
David,
Thank you so much for focusing on some very important things. Last week on Hannity&Colmes on Fox I over-heard Alan Colmes speaking about how that dems. were trying to get evangelical Christians to vote for Barack obama, and then I might be a little off, but he said something along the lines of the dems. did not have a "BAD" position on abortion, and then I said to myself, and I really like the guy even if he is wrong on social issues, and moral issues, and foreign issues, and etc., and etc., most of the time. I looked at my TV screen, and screamed, and said Lord please tell me he did not say what he said, and then as a Believer in Jesus Christ I remembered that for as far back as I can remember the dems. have had a open HATRED for the right to life, and have had a open plank in there parties platform for the Pro-Choice people, and they are always willing to allow people to say that they are Pro-Life when they will never put that into there platform, because it will cost them votes in the fall, and they do not want to go against there main group of supporters. I just Pray that enough people see what they are trying to do, and that is try to be just what satan is, and that is a LION in "SHEEPS" clothing. They will never CHANGE there ways. Humm does that sound familar. Thanks for your time, and may God Bless you in all that you do. Praying for you, and your brother on a daily basis.



Thanks again,
Larry D. Crumbley
bearone7777@yahoo.com

TC, you're correct

If McLiberal were running against Satan, I STILL wouldn't vote for him.

As a matter of fact, I've said exactly that, many times.

Here's how I might consider voting for him. MIGHT:

Pledge to support drilling in ANWR and developing oil shale.

Disavow Cap and Trade.

Disavow any attempt at amnesty for illegal aliens.

Disavow McCain-Feingold.

Disavow Anthropogenic Global Warming or any of that kind of wacko environmentalism.

Disavow any idea of promoting government-controlled salary caps on private industry.

Pledge to fight strongly for gun rights.

If he did ALL OF THAT -- in other words, pledged to actually become conservative -- and IF I believed him -- and he's got zero creds with me right now -- I MIGHT consider voting for him.

Otherwise, fuggeddabouddit!


AHH
I wonder if AHH impeachy is pro-infanticide like his candidate Obama is?

When asked about when a child should be accorded human rights goes even way beyond abortion. I don't think the Obamapods realize this yet.

Dr. Who
I am the strictest of conservatives. You have misread my tongue-in-cheek comment.

BrianR
How much does the Obama campaign pay?

AHH
Sorry, I inserted your name where it didn't belong by mistake. I know you don't support Obama.

Dr Who

Yeah, yeah, yeah....

I get that a lot.

If you think you're being original, don't give up your day job.

Conservative Conundrums...
Standing on principle is always important. There are several considerations of principles in this election. McCain was already the presumptive nominee by the time I cast my vote in the primaries. I voted for Romney anyway, not understanding how McCain could have survived in light of his stance on amnesty for illegals that 80% of Americans are against.

Still unwilling to compromise with the Maverick, I steeled myself to just leave the Presidential spot on my ballot blank. That was before Hillary was defeated and Obama became the nominee and even then I thought that would be the thing to do.

Then I began in earnest to look hard at Obama. Reading his books, listening to his speeches, catching glimpses and snippets of him on TV. Even before I heard of Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers and all the others, I knew Obama was a really bad choice for America. Now we know that he defends the right to abortion to the point of denying treatment to a baby who survives it’s own murder.

For me, that was the final straw and when I consider all the other things we know about him from his declaring that our flag represents oppression to the rest of the world. Our National Anthem is too parochial and bellicose, saying that if it were changed to something like, “I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing”, then maybe he could put his hand over his heart, to saying that “Should the political winds turn ugly, I will stand with the Muslims”, I knew that we must stop this man from becoming President.

continued...

John McCain And His VP.
I will add my two cents worth to stir the pot.
Some will probably say it is not worth that much. Have at it!!

Just like most conservatives,Mccain was not my choice for a nominee. He is not and has never been as conservative as I would like. He makes my blood boil with some of his past votes,etc.

All that said; He is what we have. He has many good points and some bad ones. Obama is against everything I believe in. He is a colossal joke as a candidate.

We have had eight years of GW Bush,who is not a conservative. He has some good points and some bad ones. Many of us voted for him twice to keep the left out of office. He was better than the alternative.

Why is it, now when we have a really dangerous person named Obama,that all of a sudden,you say 'that's enough. I have had it and I will vote no more for a Republican because he is not conservative enough.'

Why for eight years it was tolerable,but now it's not? McCain is not perfect,but he beats the heck out of a MUSLIM-LOVING,ANTI-AMERICAN,MARXIST/SOCIALIST....and those are his good points!!

impeachbush
Are you voting for the pro-infanticide candidate Obama?

Conservative Conundrums...
continued...

I am looking forward to the birth of a granddaughter due sometime between 10/31/08 and 11/04/08. It is for her that I will cast my vote for McCain. I could never forgive myself if I were complicit in the elevation of a Marxist to the highest office in the land and all that it would entail. The damage done to America might very well be the beginning of the end of freedom and individual liberty that I have been blessed with. I can not in good conscious take that chance with the future of my grandchild or yours.

I will not put principle of Party above the principle of Freedom and will in no way assist Obama, now being approved of by the Communist Party USA (I can’t believe such a thing exists) in his quest for power.

Farmerswife, to answer your question

You: "We have had eight years of GW Bush,who is not a conservative... Why is it...that all of a sudden,you say 'that's enough. I have had it and I will vote no more for a Republican because he is not conservative enough.'"


Because McLiberal, by comparison, makes Bush look like the reincarnation of Reagan.

Bush was bad enough. McRINO's the equivalent of jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

I'll pass.


Virginia Patriot
Now don't be too hard on Mel Martinez. He has brought meaning and anticipation into this Florida boy's hitherto drab existance. I can't wait to vote for his opponent when he comes up for re election. I hope i can assume youw ill return the favor in connection with some of the jerks leaving Va for DC recently.

Abortion and the Presidency
Once again we overemphasize the importance of abortion as an issue in selecting a President, no less a VP. The plain truth is that the only possible influence that a President can have on the abortion issue is in selecting Supreme Court justices. The most that can be hoped for in that instance is the selection of a "strict constructionist" candidate. No candidate who openly proclaims opposition to abortion in advance will ever (in the foreseeable future) be confirmed to the Supreme Court.

BrianR
We can give you a pass to vote your conscience because your vote in California is meaningless. However, I still think there is hope for you, and that hope will grow the more the danger posed by Obama is evident. Obama will actively work against all of your criteria. Gun ownership, which appears to be very important to you, will be a prime target of an Obama administration. And I don't mean registration and banning gun shows, but a Great Britain-style prohibition on guns.

BrianR, that wasn't my
question....

I certainly respect your point of view. I myself, have been brought to my decision literally kicking and screaming.

Conceding this round isn't easy. I just want to assure that we have another round and that we work in the meantime toward a better outcome.

Impeach
Is it ignorance about Obama?

Obama through his voting record has proven that he is willing to allow newborns to die? I'm not talking about abortions. Is this going over your head?

I just want to be clear. You are supporting Obama? A man through his action(voting record) has shown newborns can be killed if thats what the parents want.

SO? Are you for the pro-infanticide candidate or not? Do you condemn Obama for allowing new borns to be killed.

Remember this isn't about abortion, even NARAL was for the bill to put an end to the infanticide practice.

True Lies
Remember close to the end of the aforementioned movie when the panel truck is teetering on the bridge and is perfectly balanced until a pelican lands on the hood? The panel truck tips off the edge, falls onto a downed section of bridge and explodes.

Panel truck = GOP

Bridge= Election 2008

Pelican = Pro Choice Running Mate

Dr. Who
The only things The Leftover Hippie, ImpeachBush, is in favor of are Crack, Heroin and Meth.

I can't believe what I read here

I just can’t believe what I read by some of you brainwashed idiots.

You insist that the 300,000,000 US citizens, and the uncounted billions of other living breathing humans in this world, are worth less than an unborn, not yet breathing, fetus.

You non-Abortion Johnny-one-notes, think that is the most important problem in the world.

Well I think it is more important to have a traffic light working correctly, so that an automobile crash doesn’t happen, and a living human gets killed or badly injured.

So you really think that abortion is the most important, the only idea that is worth your brain power, or do you lack brain power enough so you can not see the real life of the real world.

The President will be in office 35,000 hours, and I hope that none of those hours will be spend on a personal matter of a pregnant lady.

But if he does, I hope he makes sure the idiot responsible for her problem gets castrated with pliers, and no antithetic.


BrianR
Like we discussed, The FARTHER LEFT the Democrats go, the better McAmnesty McMidget looks.

BrianR
To some folks, that is ;)!

Defeat evil- end abortion.
Americans want the Republicans to work together with Democrats to defeat evil. Which is abortion.

Au contraire, Charles

My vote isn't meaningless at all, because after the election -- particularly if McLiberal loses -- the pinheads at GOP Central are going to parse the vote count, and there in the "not McCain" column will be mine and those of many like me.

As to Obambi on guns, now the the Heller case has been so favorably decided, there's not Thing One he can do anymore, especially not the Draconian efforts you so laughably mentioned.

Further, if you examine the issues I mentioned in my earlier post, you'll see that Obambi and McLiberal don't really disagree. That's really the entire problem with McRINO. He and Obambi only differ on matters of degree, not substance.

And I don't vote for liberals. Ever.

Georgetwin
"The only things The Leftover Hippie, ImpeachBush, is in favor of are Crack, Heroin and Meth. "

I know, I just like beating them over the head with being for the pro-infanticide candidate. Impeachy you thinks he is so morally superior and is so self righteous.

I guess morally superior in his world = infanticide is okay.

McCain vs MSM
Do you think for a minute that it's the MSM that started this mini-uproar in the republican party? Just think for a minute? Who will gain or loose if the republicans are united or disunited? Why, the MSM of course. So, it would be safe to assume that it's the MSM that started this bruhaha. Oh, I'm sure that there was someone in the McCain headquarters that started this mess, but, I will bet you, that he was and is a fifth columnist for St Barack. This fifth columnist knows for certain, that all he has to do is mention pro-abortion in the republican setting. Why, that's like shouting "fire" in a crowded auditorium. I do not believe that McCain is that stupid, but if he is that stupid, he doesn't deserve to win.

Understood, Farmerswife

What I'm anticipating is that after a McRINO drubbing, the GOP will get the clear message that sailed over their heads in 2006, but that they DID get in 1992: conservatism is the basis of the GOP's only reason for being, and that liberalism is a losing strategy.

The 1992 election was promptly followed in 1994 by the Contract With America sweep of both houses of Congress, essentially gelding Clinton for the rest of his administration.

That's my hope for this time.

Then, in 2012, they can field a team that better represents conservatism, something like a Palin/Jindal or Jindal/Palin ticket, which IMO would be truly unbeatable.


BrianR
My vote isn't meaningless at all, because after the election -- particularly if McLiberal loses -- the pinheads at GOP Central are going to parse the vote count, and there in the "not McCain" column will be mine and those of many like me.

Actually you are right, your vote isn't meaningless. Your vote helped to elect Obama.

The pinheads didn't get the message after Perot, did they? The pinheads also didn't get the message after 2006, did they?

If we don't get conservatives elected in GOP primaries it isn't going to happen. The primaries are the key. Otherwise we are just spitting into the wind.

Jim,Jim,Jim
Slow down and take a breath you aren't making sense.
You want a candidate to run on the platform that all traffic lights will work during his presidency. Aside from the fact that all machines break down, why do you think pro-life citizens would not want traffic lights to work?

Are you also making the statement that women are not responsible when they become pregnant.

I do agree with you on the castration of men that prey on young girls. Did you know Planned Parenthood covers for these men? And our federal government gives money to Planned Parenthood to do this?

Dump McShamnesty
at the convention and pick a REAL Conservative team.

Tancredo, Hunter, Thompson, Jindal, Palin.

No more RINOs!

BrianR
I mean that California is so hopelessly liberal that your opposition is futile and that the Republican Party will pay more attention to protest votes in meaningful states.

I think that you underestimate the radical left wing nature of Obama.

You also place too much reliance on the Heller case. One changed vote on the Supreme Court can overturn that decision, and the left will have no trouble constructing that rationale. You cannot deny that complete prohibition of gun ownership is their objective.

As always, you are free to vote your conscience (but perhaps not so after four years of Obama).

BrianR
"My vote isn't meaningless at all, because after the election -- particularly if McLiberal loses -- the pinheads at GOP Central are going to parse the vote count, and there in the "not McCain" column will be mine and those of many like me."

Sorry, I forgot the quotes around your statement.

Georgetwin
We just cannot trust McVanity not to screw us Conservatives over as his snuzzles his lips to the Donkey's butt.

BrianR
"conservatism is the basis of the GOP's only reason for being."

EXACTLY.

As the father of modern conservatism said, sticking to the tried and true is far better than leaping at the new and untried. Reagan Conservatism crushed liberalism where applied, like Raid on roaches.

Of course, he also said that those NOT with a stake in society's progress and upkeep, should not vote.

Burke was a genius.

He isn't paid enough?
Maybe Obama doesn't know when we become protected as citizens because he doesn't really believe in the
Bill of Rights.

My vote will also be in the
NOT McLame" column.

And I want all Dr. Who to look at the Republicrat Primaries AND tell me it is NOT set up to assure a liberal Republicrat gets the nod.

We have had a liberal get the nod in EVERY ELECTION since Teddy Roosevelt. They only made a mistake with Reagan because they thought he was a liberal based on actions in CA.

We got one conservative in 100 years, now tell me something isn't rotten and the primaries are where to do it.

The primaries are BS and the reason why we have two equally useless AHs running. The two worse I have seen in my lifetime.

Charles and Dr Who

Charles, Heller's not going to be overturned. SCOTUS doesn't overturn itself. If it did, why hasn't Roe been overturned? Why did the 14th Amendment have to be passed to void Dred Scott? That's meaningless Chicken Littling.

I don't underestimate the radical nature of Obambi; YOU underestimate the radical nature of McLiberal.

The one thing I do agree on with you: Obambi will be just another One-Term-Wonder.

____________________

Dr Who, you: "Actually you are right, your vote isn't meaningless. Your vote helped to elect Obama."

Really? I didn't know they'd already held the election.

That having been said, I hope that's so, because as I've long maintained, I view McRINO as the bigger long-term danger to this country.

You: "The pinheads didn't get the message after Perot, did they?"

Actually, yes they did, as I wrote a few minutes ago. You may have heard of it. The Gingrich Revolution? It was in all the papers.

And the one thing I do agree with YOU on: "The primaries are the key."

Correct, and the GOP boneheads stacked the primaries in favor of their strategy of drifting Left by holding open primaries, "winner-take-all", and allowing non-GOPers to participate.

Prior to Romney's withdrawal, McRINO actually wasn't doing very well in the primaries. But the primaries were rigged from the jump to favor Giuliani (the early GOP-drone fave) or McRINO.

No Conservatives Need Apply.

Pro life
Me thinks we are spending too much time on a item out of political control. Judicial decisions have already decided the reality. The economy, availability of US oil, dictators such as Putin, Chavez, and Marxists such as Chavez and the liberals at home are the really important issues.

Precisely, Gunny© and Vic

Conservatism wins virtually every time it's put before the electorate. I don't know why the GOP fails to remember this... continually.

Incidentally, Vic, it wouldn't take an amendment to do away with the primary system. It's not constitutionally mandated.

It's simply the method chosen by political parties to select their candidates.

BrianR
The problem with the Republican primaries was that no real conservatives entered the race (except for Fred Thompson, who entered late and started slow). Surely you don't consider Romney (Massachusetts health care) to be a conservative.

More Of Us Than The RNC Realizes
There are far more of us conservatives who WILL vote third party than the RNC is counting on. They are in for a rude awakening in November. We don't care which liberal is elected, R or D, they want to go over the same cliff, they are only different as to the speed.

Not voting for amnesty, EVER.

BrianR-GunnyG
It is like The MASSIVE Shift to The Left by The DNC has unbalanced the playing field and The GOP is rolling downhill simply because it is easy.

BrianR
The reason I say it will take a convention and an amendment is not because the Constitution requires it, but because NOT one politician in either party would vote for it.

You're right, Charles, I don't

consider Romney truly conservative; he was my "line-in-the-sand hold my nose" candidate.

Actually, there WERE conservatives in the race other than Thompson (who blew his chance with that endless silly Hamlet routine): Tancredo and especially Duncan Hunter.

But they got ZERO support from the GOP.

Here's another great example of the GOP's idiotic strategery: in 2006, a great conservative named Dick Mountjoy was running against Feinstein for her Senate seat in that election that was touted as having the future of civilization hanging in the balance.

However, you wouldn't have known it from the publicity; it looked like he was running a stealth campaign.

I contacted his campaign headquarters, and was informed that neither the state nor national GOP was providing his campaign with one penny of support, nor any campaign volunteer time, nor anything else.

That's because he was running on a conservative platform, and...

No Conservatives Need Apply

Georgetwin, they've been

doing that since 1994.

The Dems shift Left, and the GOP chases after them.

The "Me, Too!" party.

It's a strategy of trying to peel away constituents from the Dems, but why would any liberal vote for Lib-Lite when they can go for the gusto voting for the Real Thing?

That's why the GOP's known as The Stupid Party.

impeachbush "writes:"
No, it's YOUR ignorance about George W. Bush! All I know is that Obama has never impregnated a woman who had to have an abortion and your hero, George W. Bush, who has you idiots buffaloed about being anti-abortion, HAS impregnated a woman who had to have an illegal abortion prior to Roe v. Wade.

Capesh?

Legitimate sources for this allegation, otherwise it is just more BDS bullsh!t from you

Capeesh?

Troll Retard
You will be gone shortly, so who cares what a COWARD calls herself!

BrianR
Kind of like trying to dig your way out of a hole, isn't it?

it matters not what a lady does

Joycey Location: OH
Reply # 102
Date: Aug 19, 2008 - 12:29 PM EST
Subject: Jim,Jim,Jim

Are you also making the statement that women are not responsible when they become pregnant.
=======

As I understand it, in most every case that I have heard of, it matters not what a lady does while involved in a sexual act. She may or may not have a climax, it matters not, except for her pleasure.

If the man has a climax, there is a chance for a pregnancy. If he wears a condom, there is less chance. While it is the lady’s responsibility to try and make sure he wears one, a man who cares will wear a condom, but most do not care what happens.

He will be long gone, and even if he is known as the one responsible he does not suffer the same condemnation as the lady. He is often considered a hero by his buddies, she is the one who suffers from the results.

And we all know that while the lady might have a sexual desire, it is still usually the male who initiates, who looks for, who tries all he can to get the lady to submit. Sure she may be more than a little available, but from what I hear, he is usually the one who insists.

Again, let me tell you that this is the expert with no experience in this matter, just an opinon from having viewed the world for many years.


LJ7392
Troll Retard and ImpeachBush either smoke from the same Crack Pipe or buy from the same dealer.

Hahahaha, George!

More like bailing out the boat before fixing the hole in the bottom.


jim
"And we all know that while the lady might have a sexual desire, it is still usually the male who initiates, who looks for, who tries all he can to get the lady to submit. Sure she may be more than a little available, but from what I hear, he is usually the one who insists."

That's all the more reason to oppose legalized abortion. It gives the man an easy escape from responsibility. Maybe that's why more women are pro-life than men.

impeachbush
Sorry impeach I am talking about Obama's voting record. I know you hate Buch and CO. and why. NOT NEW NEWS FROM YOU.

Try as you may Obama's voting record slaps you in the face. He isn't against allowing newborns to die. With your silence on the matter I can only believe you must be pro-infanticide as well.

Why do you have no feelings on this matter? Are you so afraid to speak out against your candidate that you are willing to allow the deaths of newborns?

Your silence on the matter speaks volumes.

Taxes, bottom lines
matter and I want to still be financially viable for the foreseeable future...

Taxes... Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.
(Source: http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML)

Taxes under CLINTON - 1999 ..
Single earning: $30K = taxed $ 8,400
$50K = taxed $14,000
$75K = taxed $23,250

Married earning:
$60K = taxed $16,800
$75K = taxed $21,000
$125K = taxed $38,750

Taxes under BUSH - 2008...
Single earning:
$30K = taxed $4,500.
$50K = taxed $12,500
$75K = taxed $18,750

Married earning:
$60K= taxed $ 9,000
$75K = taxed $18,750
$125K = taxed $31,250

OBAMA will return to the higher tax rates... It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever.

If Obama is elected, he will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen!

This is like the movie "The Sting" with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened.

BrianR
Pinheads cannot get the message.
You cannot expect people that do not have conservative values to suddenly develop them because your vote says so.
The question is what are pinheads doing running the Republican Party.

impeachbush "writes:"
You're safe! Robin Lowman Garner has been threatened by the Bush crime family and she will not come clean about the abortion. It is just like GWB going AWOL from the TANG. The Bush crime family is so powerful and so feared that their ability to cover up their sins is without precedence. Just ask Dan Rather about that!

You need psychiatric help, since you are totally around the bend. Get yourself some anti-psychotic meds,you need them. Rather's report was totally discredited, and it cost him his job.

our mock-serious dissidents


In this thread once again; those who disparage the GOP nominee resort to what they construe as funny, sarcastic nomenclature; apparently in the belief that such disrespect shows writing skill or talent or the keen perceptions of a political pro.

Instead of plain old "McCain," it has to be McMidget, and McShamnesty and McShame;

even as the Left has called our good President a "chimp," thinking that makes them seem clever.

Those aren't adult ideas. Those belong where graffit and juvenile crap belong. Outside the sphere of American politics. It really makes me sad seeing what should be mature people calling John McCain McShamnesty or McShame.

Not because it tends to ridicule or pronounce him trash.

Because it betrays the inane arrogance of our voting public today. It shows how banal and superficial their thoughts have become; during the Boomer's and "Me" generation especially. I wonder if the other western nations aren't in fact right about America? Are we that nation of blowhards and buffoons they see ?

How can anyone take such people seriously?

Yeah; I'm sometimes guilty of these same things. When ad hominems are designed to cause me embarrassment, I don't care.

But McCain's running for the highest office in our country. I'm not. It isn't fair to him.


impeachbush
Finally!

Obama had 3 separate votes on the said legislation on the third vote he got the concessions he requested to gain his support. THEN he still voted to allow infanticide. AGAIN NARAL (You know who they are don't you?) was not against the legislation.

As far as your second paragraph goes. GW is not running. So quit wasting my our time.

Besides most of the conservatives I know have spoke out vehemently against both GW and McCain when they disagreed with there policies.

It seems the same cannot be said for you.


Ron Paul (repug cheaters)
Ron Paul is a libertarian, not a conservative. Libertarians are OK with abortion and gay marriage, which do not particularly concern me. But they are also the new isolationists, opposed to the use of US military in virtually all instances except self-defense against invasion. They accuse many conservatives of being "neocons" (a code word used by anti-Semites) becuase of our involvement in Iraq and support of Israel. This seems to me to be directly opposed to Reagan conservatism, and therefore I cannot support Ron Paul or other Libertarians like Bob barr.

Impeachbush
No matter how many times you repeat it, Bush's attitude toward abortion law has NOTHING to do with Obama's attitude or yours. Whether or not you or i or Bush or Obama is a hypocrite has nothing to do with the subject of dealing with the problem of abortion. You show education and caring in your posts. Is it too much to hope for logic and debating skill?

BrianR
I have no problem with candidates like Tancredo and Hunter, but they had very little chance to emerge from the pack and were dividing up many of the same votes. We need to begin now to unite behind a conservative candidate for 2012. Plus the candidate, while conservative, needs to have broad appeal, not a single issue candidate. Tancredo, for example, was a single issue candidate on immigration. Others may be single issue anti-abortion candidates. The fact is that the conservative movement is a coalition with various priorities, and one issue is not sufficient.

repug cheaters
"more repug lies. no matter when you believe human life begins you have to agree that an "infant" is a baby that has already been born. the next step is "toddler"."

I guess the conversation was a little over your head so I'll try and simplify it for you.

Obama was against legislation which would stop the practice of allowing newborns to die in the hospital (without treatment) because they were unwanted.

Do I need to define newborn for you?

There was 3 votes on this legislation the last conceding to Obamas amendments to gain his support. Again he voted against the legislation to stop this practice.

NARAL, you know, THE PRO-CHOICE GROUP, was not against the legislation.

You need to realize that your candidate is willing to let babies die as long as it promotes his agenda. Whatever that really is.

impeachbush
"Yes, because he was set up with a fake document. However, the story was never fake."

LMAO, Do you believe in lizard people too? How about hollow earth?

You would believe anything as long as it fits your paradigm wouldn't you?

Joycey, Charles

Yes, Joycey, that IS the question, isn't it?

Charles, I agree. The conservatives did split that vote, but the fact that they got no support from the GOPer party hacks also cut short their candidacies, so they didn't have the staying power to run the whole course.

I agree that Tancredo hitched his wagon on pretty much a single issue, to his detriment, and that we need someone in 2012 with broader conservative chops, and the ability to make the case, a la Reagan.

That's why I've mentioned Jindal and Palin. Both recently won governorships on platforms of broad conservative appeal, and enjoyed landslides. By 2012, both will be ready for the antional arena.

Further, think of it: a woman and a "man of color". Talk about unbeatable!


Obviously, that should be

"national arena", not "antional".


does McCain want to lose?
The Republican vice-presidential candidate must not be

-- pro-abortion (e.g., Ridge);
-- pro-amnesty (e.g., Graham);
-- a member of a religious cult (e.g., Romney);
-- a Democrat (e.g., Liebermann);
-- a liberal (i.e., he must not be to your left on any national issue).

Senator, pick your running mate from any of those five classifications, and you will have guaranteed that "Senator" is the highest office you will ever achieve in this Republic.

You see, Senator, we don't need you to compromise. YOU are the compromise, and the limit is one per ticket.


repug cheaters
"-you need to prove that. what you said doesn't even make sense. treatment? babies don't need treatment unless there is something wrong. "

Its part of the record of the Ill State Legislature, can't get more impartial then that.

"babies don't need treatment unless there is something wrong."

Oh my? are you a grown up? or 12+ years of age? Should babies be denied treatment if there something wrong? Even if they are unwanted by their parents? According to Obama yes. And you too it seems.

Impeachbush of 2:08
That did it Sir. Just more grist for my scroll key, along with Hal, Ranger, mrbmrb and the rest of the kool-aid brigade.

Dr. Who, Who knows naught...
NARAL may not have had a strong stance on the legislation...

Who know who did though?

The Ill. Medical Association. Because it was bad legislation. It put doctors at risk of criminal charges for performing any abortions because of its poor language.

Infantcide was already covered under Bush's federal bill...

This bill would have classified all fetuses or blastocysts as humans with rights.

This bill was nothing more than a sneaky way to criminalize abortion.

Perhaps you should try researching the subject without resorting to hysterical, propaganda sources.

Obama's support does not mean he wants cute little babies to die all along shivering and crying in the laundry room...My god, you people are drama queens!

If NARAL wasn't strongly against this bill, they dropped the ball.

Is it possible for your side to be reasonable on this issue?

Or must we always deal with a bunch of hysterical, ill-informed lil ole ladies on this subject?

will write in another name
If McCain chooses a pro-abort for VP, my family will write in Ron Paul. If we cannot do that, we will vote for Barr. We cannot compromise on LIFE.
Carolyn

Oh Please Please Please
Let McCain pick Bobby Jindal...the governor who performed an excorcism on his (unwilling) friend in college.

That would be SOOOO much fun to mock!

repug cheaters
You don't read well. I stated that abortion and gay marriage do not particularly concern me (because even though I abhor abortion and gay marriage, I am interested in less government interference in my life, which is the conservative position). But all you need to do is to read this article and the related posts to see that an absolute anti-abortion stand is considered a bedrock fundamental for some concepts of conservatism. My point is that the conservative movement includes some differences of opinion and that we need to compromise to some degree to present a united front.

Sophie
Poor sophie is for killing babies as well.

I never thought I would see so many people for allowing newborns to die.

Sophie as usual you leave out critical details. NARAL was against the legislation for the reasons you stated at first. The legislation was subsequently amended to take care of those concerns NARAL was then happy and didn't oppose it.

However newborns seem to not be as important as some peoples agenda. People like yourself I imagine.

Higene sayz:
Excluding pro-abortionists from vice presidential consideration is not the same as excluding pro-choice people from the party.

Apples (pro-abortionists) and apples (pro-choice) in my book.
All I am waiting on is his VP pick to see for whom I am voting.
Choose wisely, old grasshopper!

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

2012
What we should be doing between now and 2012 is getting the Repubs to change their primary rules to something along the lines of what I said earlier.

Maybe a Republican only runoff with 3 primaries, all voting across the country at the same time. These primaries to eliminate the bottom candidate at each vote until one is chosen.

If that has been done we would not have McLame now. It is possible however that we would have wound up with gungrabber Rudie who shot himself in the foot waiting on Florida. But even if that had happened it would have been an honest win and not with 70% voting against him.

BrianR of 2:22
Talk about dream team. You know what a lazy old fogie i am, but i promise to knock on doors for such a slate in 2012.
BTW 2:22 reminds me of my .222 i bought in 1952. Still have it, still shoots moa with OTC Winchester 55 grainers. I'm on my 3rd scope.

sophieisnasty
Maybe he could choose an idiot lib from here at TH. A LOT to chose from tho’

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

BrianR
I agree about Jindal and Palin, but I have concerns that some "conservatives" will go third party on them because of race and gender, or maybe because they can find one single issue where the candidate does not reflect their viewpoint. Lynn Swann was abandoned by much of the Republican base here in Pennsylvania during his run for Governor, largely because of race.

It is also not useful to mangle pro-choice Republicans by calling them "pro-abortion" or "baby-killers." Reagan was nominally "pro-life", but he was hardly a crusader on the issue, preferring to work on issues that were actually within the power of the President, instead of tilting at windmills.

Troll Retard
Like I said, if you don’t like it SHUT ME UP COWARD! Links were provided that PROVED Barack Hussein Obamoron AND John McCain had the first 2-3 questions.

BrianR
Or maybe drilling a hole in a boat that is taking on water to let the water out!?!?!?!

Charles Martel
You could be on the right track, but i have doubts. Its a matter of how many votes would he lose and how many gain. I suspect he might well be going after NOW types disgruntled by losing Hillary. Would he gain any? Who knows? With Obama coming out foursquare as the most pro abortion pol EVER, to the point of voting for a bill to kill newborns after a failed abortion attempt, would a pro-abortion VP drive pro-life people away from McCain? Who knows?

mccain's vp
it seems this issue is more upsetting to the trolls that to repubs.

Mccain has enough advisers to keep him keyed into the sentiment of repubs. But is mccain thinks that somehow placating the left wins him votes he is sadly out of contact with reality.

Many of us are worried that mccain is more worried about offending the libs on the left than he is in courting the votes he needs from the right.

But mccain sends out conflicting messages and he needs to understand now is the time to point out the differences between him and those of the cultist, b hussein.

That the messiah is lost on the abortion issue only shows he lacks a moral compass and can't explain what he believes in if anything.

He mumbled about a society is judged by it's treatment of those most vulnerable but he supports unlimited abortions up to the time of delivery. And he can't understand at what point a baby has rights. That statement shows he understands the baby was born but still can't accept life.

But this is one issue mccain can use to hammer home the difference between repubs and the left. But can mccain man up to the issue or will he again cave to the left

repug cheaters
"-maybe you could find the quote from the legislation that says, "if a living (born) baby needs medical treatment the doctor is not allowed to treat it". "

Honestly, how much more spoon feeding is required?

"A live child born as a result of an abortion shall be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate protection under the law."

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09300H B4008lv&SessionID=3&GA=93&DocTypeID=HB&DocNum=4008&print=tr ue

It seems babies born alive do not get to be human beings till later according to Obama. I wonder when Obama believes we become Human beings?

repug cheaters
I should not further discuss the issue with someone whose reading skills are as poor as yours and cannot understand my position. But here it is again. I am a conservative, I think abortion is an unforgiveable moral and ethical disaster, but I want the government out of my private life. So in that sense I am pro-choice, except that I would never make that choice.

However, that does not mean that late-term abortion is a matter of choice. So-called "partial-birth abortion", which your candidate Obama supports, is clearly infanticide and should be prosecuted as murder.

Vic, Pistol, Charles

Vic, we may not even have to go that far. The problem this time was open and "winner-take-all" primaries. All the GOP needs to do is have closed primaries with proportionally appointed delegates. Had that been done, we'd have had a much better primary race, and perhaps a brokered convention, which I've never thought was a bad thing. At worst, we'd have had Romney as the candidate; Giuliani and McCain would have disappeared from sight.


Pistol, isn't that team a.... er.... pistol? I'd happily knock on doors for that one myself.

What brand .222? Remington?


Charles, there's always the prejudice aspect with any candidate. Hell, look at McCain, and all the people discussing his age. If people are really looking for shallow issues on which to hate someone, they'll always find them. Romney was Mormon, hence a "cultist" to some folks.

We can never totally overcome prejudice, so we can't base a strategy on it.

BTW, as to the "choice" issue, I haven't commented on that at all, and certainly never used those terms.

Frankly, my opinion is that it's rightfully a state issue to decide, and Roe should never even have been granted cert to SCOTUS.


cheater, at 2:15pm
"[B]y definition, a conservative would not want the government to be involved with abortion or gay marriage. [C]onservatives want less govt. in the lives of individuals."

While conservatives do indeed want less government in the lives of individuals, your assertion that they should thus eschew the issues of abortion and so-called "gay marriage" is sheer sophistry.

By opposing abortion, conservatives are not directly concerned with the mother, nor do we wish to inject the government into her life: we are protecting the life of the child, threatened with death by any other person.

By opposing so-called "gay marriage", conservatives are not directly concerned with the would-be participants, nor do we wish to inject the government into their lives: we are protecting people of conscience, who would otherwise be compelled by the force of the state to accept as truth the fantasy that two people of the same sex can comprise a marriage.


Dear God
I pray for our nation that allows the murder of millions of unborn babies for the sake of convenience.

I pray for those whose consciences are so blinded by sin that they would allow these horrific acts to continue. May their eyes be opened and they realize the horror of what they are condoning.

I pray that they will realize the truth and will be able to repent before it's too late.

I pray for those of us who oppose abortion, that we may stand strong and continue the fight to rid our nation of this evil.

In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Amen.

Grandma Carolyn
With your absolutist stand on abortion, don't you understand that Ron Paul and Bob Barr and the Libertarian Party are opposed to any laws restricting abortion, gay marriage, drug use, or any other personal behavior? Wake up and understand their position.

Pro-choice Vice-President????
I seems McCain had not learned his lesson yet? What is the matter with this man to compromise his views against abortion to please a certain votes group? Will he go that low and compromise his integrity and keep hurting the conservative group?
It's time he come to his sense and pick someone with morals to respects God's word. It seems that he is out of touch with the Bible teachings. Life is Life eventhough some radicals don't believe so, but their time before God Almighty's judgement seat will come where there is no return and no time for repentance, since time had run out. Sorry, a pro-choice position is Demnocrapts views and the reason a whole generation had being exterminated by this henious practice. Anyone in favor has their hands covered by innocent blood. McCain beware the raft of God if you do pick a Pro-Choice Vice-President!

Curtal Friar
Amen.

Pistol, at 2:52pm
"With Obama coming out foursquare as the most pro abortion pol EVER, to the point of voting for a bill to kill newborns after a failed abortion attempt..."

Tsk, tsk, Pistol. That's so unfair of you to mischaracterize Barry's abortion stance.

He most certainly did NOT vote for a bill to kill a newborn after a failed abortion attempt: he voted against a bill that would prohibit the killing of a newborn after a failed abortion attempt.

And since he would do that to his own grandchildren, at least we know he's consistent.


repug cheaters
"was there a cone of silence? why did the godman say there was? why did john mccain not correct him when asked if the cone of silence was comfortable?"

Are you joking?! The "godman" was using a figure of speech, making a light hearted joke, in reference to the Get Smart movie/show where they use the cone of silence.

I'm sorry if you were joking but, you should understand, its hard to tell after your other naive posts.

repug
"don't have an abortion and don't marry someone of the same sex."

So do you want to legalize murder and rape, too? If you don't believe in these things, then don't do them.

That makes about as much as your argument.

repug cheaters 2nd posting just 4 you
"-maybe you could find the quote from the legislation that says, "if a living (born) baby needs medical treatment the doctor is not allowed to treat it". "

Honestly, how much more spoon feeding is required?

"A live child born as a result of an abortion shall be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate protection under the law."

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09300H B4008lv&SessionID=3&GA=93&DocTypeID=HB&DocNum=4008&print=tr ue

It seems babies born alive do not get to be human beings till later according to Obama. I wonder when Obama believes we become Human beings?

repug cheaters
"dear god
please protect me from your followers."

Your a genius! So you want protection from yourself now? LMAO

Silly man... girl... whatever

Higene sayz:
This tiny minority simply hasn't the power to sway the election, one way or the other. If Republicans are already 'holding their noses' to support McCain,

Tiny? How did you come by such amazing numbers?
Many are not holding their nose yet. And if he picks wrong many won't. It would be childish to think this would not push more away from him and as his base is already lacking due to some of his more liberal tendencies, it could be a final twist of the knife.

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

King Liberal
I guess it is safe to assume you support the pro-infanticide Obama as well.

IMPEACH BUSH PLEASE just STFU
Your insane rantings are almost amusing, you really need some professional help. Until then, bend over, grab your ankles and hold on. The Big O is coming and he is gonna give it to you hard, real hard, enjoy !!!! Sounds like your kinduv candidate. Cheers

Excellent analysis, as usual, King Lib

I'm not sure I agree with your thesis as to the scope of conservative "revolt", though I'll always admit it may be wishful thinking on my part.

But I fully agree with your conclusions.

Unfortunately for the GOP.


Queen lib sayz:
You'll vote for McCain and like it cons

Saying that three times and clicking your ruby red slippers three times will not get you anywhere close to the truth.

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

repug cheaters an idiot in his own words
"-i don't know. do you think murder or rape might infringe on another individuals rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness?
you idiot. "

Obama does not think infanticide infringes on a newborns "right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness"

You Idiot

OH! and for the third time the quote you asked for and now hiding from.

"A live child born as a result of an abortion shall be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate protection under the law."

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09300H B4008lv&SessionID=3&GA=93&DocTypeID=HB&DocNum=4008&print=tr ue

It seems babies born alive do not get to be human beings till later according to Obama. I wonder when Obama believes we become Human beings?

As I rethink that, King Lib,

that 1% may well be enough to tilt the scales.

Look at how close the 2000 and 2004 elections were. In both caes, less than 1% made the difference.


Charles
I was born and raised in the South during the 50s and I would have no problems whatsoever voting for a black if I thought he was a conservative. H*ll, I would sing and dance with joy if Dr. Sowell came out of the upcoming convention instead of McLame (even though I didn’t care for his column this week). There are probably a few die hard white racists in both parties but I don’t think there are enough left to actually influence the election.

On the other hand, it appears that blacks will NOT vote for a white person if a black is running.

BrianR

If we had ran closed primaries and proportional delegates we would have done a lot better. It would not have been the best, but it would have been better. I think McLame would have dropped out after the first few primaries because he would not have had the money to continue. That being said, we also need to do something with the order of voting. Perhaps several States at once each month starting with the States that have consistently voted Republican in the elections the longest. LOL, Iowa and Vermont would have to go back then. Too bad CA would wind up near last.

I said Vermont, I meant
New Hampshire.

RepugCoward=Coward Hermaphrodite Liberal
Are you as STUPID as you sound? Anyone who took ‘Cone of Silence’ literally is a doper or a moron, which one are you? All that keeps you from shutting me up is your Hummingbird A-$-$ can’t cover the checks written by your Alligator Mouth…COWARD!

repug
"do you think murder or rape might infringe on another individuals rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness?"

Yes, I do, and so does abortion. Why do you have such a double standard?

"you idiot."

Ah, such eloquence! You liberals always show your true colors when people ask questions you can't answer. Unfortunately, those true colors are usually various shades of yellow.

Yep, Vic

I agree with your post.

As to my lovely state of Leftifornia ending up near the last.... sounds fine with me! They'll have gotten it the old-fashioned way; they'll have EARNED it!

I have to hang in here. My family's also here. But I'm ever mindful of my obligation to take the flag with me if I ever decide to make a run for the border.

Pasadena Phil and I are holding down the fort in the meantime....


cheater, at 3:04pm
You have misunderstood. Here, let me help.

I do not need a law to protect my unborn child. I can do that myself. The law would be to protect other unborn children, the ones who don't have anyone protecting them.

I am incapable of marrying anyone of the same sex. We are all incapable in that way, so this incapability is no burden. I live in Texas, where the government does not compel me to pretend that two men who are pretending to have married are indeed married: I don't have to rent my garage apartment to them, thereby implying approval in front of my children, and if I hire one of them, I don't have to provide benefits to his boyfriend. If the state were to call them "married", I would be obligated, under penalty of law, to comply.

It really is that simple. I would have thought that someone who rejects the imposition of morals on others would understand that implicitly. Or are your morals the only ones that the state may impose?

Stop trying to make it so complicated. Stop trying to make me comply.


Dr. Who?
Don’t waste your breath on Retard Coward. He and various other Liberal Trash like Ranger29 show up after Mommy goes to work and they can sneak on the computer. They are banned on a daily basis and their posts thrown into cyber wasteland. Then they show up again tomorrow and do THE SAME THING expecting a different result. Insanity Personified!

BrianR
LOL, I have been investigating Wyoming. Some of the guys were posting about it this weekend. I have found taxes there are the lowest in the country for a number of things, including beer.

Since I am retired now proximity to a job is no longer an issue.

The only bad thing is that it gets COLD there in the winter.

After 31 years here it's time to go West again.