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Tuesday, June 10, 2008
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
McCain's Potentially Fatal 'Exit, Stage Right'
by David Limbaugh
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Sen. McCain could be making a fatal strategic blunder in thinking he can cobble together a winning coalition in November via the unorthodox route (for a Republican) of courting moderates and jilting the conservative base, including Christian conservatives.

It's possible that McCain will win in November, but if that happens, it will more likely be a result of Obama beating himself -- assuming Obama's campaign doesn't disintegrate before he formally secures the nomination.

McCain must begin with the bad news that his historic appeal to centrist voters is in jeopardy in two major ways. The first concerns Obama's natural fit with these voters. His mythical narrative that he can unify Americans and usher in an era of "hope" will be irresistible to many who are hungrier for kumbaya than any particular policy agenda.

Second, McCain's favorable image among centrists could disappear as quickly as the mainstream media withdraws its opportunistic love for him -- a process that has already begun. Their affinity for McCain was purely a function of his being a thorn in the side to President Bush, Republicans and conservative causes. But now that he is the GOP presidential candidate, he represents the evil Republican Party, which must be destroyed at all costs.

If this weren't enough, he is running -- how dare he? -- against their chosen messiah, Barack Obama. If they turned on Hillary Clinton over it, McCain is way beyond crisp toast. This heretical challenge to the savior from a Republican will not be tolerated.

So no matter how you cut it, McCain begins with a crippling handicap in his quest to win over moderate voters -- a handicap that can only be overcome by an Obama implosion.

Exacerbating McCain's precarious position is that he has repeatedly betrayed the conservative base with McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Lieberman, the Gang of 14 and demonizing achievers, for starters. He also has a habit of deprecating Christian conservatives, such as when in 2000, following the South Carolina primary, he denounced Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and other evangelicals as "agents of intolerance."

After making some overtures to the Christian right this time around, McCain has reverted to form by choosing to make conspicuous public breaks with pastors John Hagee and Rod Parsley. And a news report yesterday stated McCain even declined to meet with the Rev. Billy Graham, but later in the day, his campaign claimed that it has been working directly with the Rev. Franklin Graham's office to facilitate a meeting between the beloved evangelist and the GOP candidate.

McCain may think he can take "values voters" for granted because he is a Republican, but their support isn't mindless or free. Many already feel his lack of love toward them, which could feed into the Democrats' cynical semantic ploy to win over Christian voters by restating their message in moral language at the suggestion of linguist George Lakoff. Cloaking their positions on poverty, global warming and AIDS in the garb of Christian language could yield abundant electoral fruit for Democrats.

Don't forget that McCain finished last among the nine candidates in the "Values Voters" summit straw poll last year or that the revered James Dobson announced in February that he couldn't support McCain. Also don't forget that the press repeatedly reminds us that Obama is a committed Christian who is "very comfortable talking about his faith."

Granted, Obama's stunning statement (for a self-proclaimed Christian) disputing the uniqueness of Christianity -- "I believe there are many paths to the same place" -- and his association with a church promoting black liberation theology ought to be disqualifying with Christian conservatives. But Obama can overcome these disadvantages with press coverage, his superficial appeal to Christian peace, harmony, unity and bipartisanship, and McCain's gift of offending this constituency.

Before McCain steers his ship totally off course -- toward the center and away from the right -- he better take seriously predictions of Christian conservative insiders that Obama could win more than 40 percent of the evangelical vote.

He must also understand that analyzing the impact of Christian conservatives on GOP politics isn't merely a numbers game. Christian conservatives are the foot soldiers at the grass roots, who deliver victories to the GOP because of their intensity and corresponding commitment to the cause -- a cause McCain has yet to convince them he believes in.

As Family Research Council President Tony Perkins ominously noted, "For John McCain to be competitive, he has to connect with the base to the point that they're intense enough that they're contagious. Right now, they're not even coughing."

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NEVER
I will never vote for McCain, or any RINO who 'wears his liberalism on his sleeve'. All this talk about VP, who cares? Does anyone think it will matter?

Dump '09-'12 on Mocha Marvin
--
Having your leg amputated because you've developed gangrene is better than dying in septic shock, but not developing gangrene in the first place is better still.

McCain is gangrene.

The U.S. economy is going respond to the recent expansion of the money supply (track growth in M3 over the past 10 years). We can look forward to a worsening economy in the same way that a village at the foot of a mountain has to look forward to devastation the moment the snow pack above starts its downward slide.

With John McCain in the White House, the blame for what's going to happen in the next few years is going to be fixed firmly on the Republican wing of the bipartisan Boot-On-Your-Neck Party, which will leave the Democrat franchise with an effective lock on federal power for the next twenty or thirty years.

Ever heard of a fellow named Herbert Hoover?

It doesn't matter whether the Stupid Party is or is not directly responsible for having inflated the currency like a pack of Weimar Republicans; what matters is that a McCain presidency will result in the GOP being stamped "Null and Void" for the next several decades, leaving no counterweight whatsoever against the machinations of the Evil Party.

In 1976, the voters - sick of Nixon's antics - turned out a weak and arguably non-conservative Jerry Ford in favor of a "stealth" candidate who would at least come to the presidency as a nominal "outsider" - Jimmy Carter.

Are any of the readers here old enough to remember what chaos Carter brought to both domestic and foreign policy? How he screwed the proverbial pooch so many times and in so many ways that you could hear the yelps from Rockville?

The avalanche is coming down. Better it should fall upon Barack Hussein Obama than upon anything fraudulently masquerading as a "conservative."

At least we will not be foreclosing an alternative to yet another long, agonizing, facist "New Deal."

--

Chris
You stole my argument! LOL

My argument has been, like yours, that a Dem Prez is better than McCain for the following reason:
If Osama get elected (and that's doubtful; Hillary hasn't given up, and things happen), then the GOP in Congress might grow some and stand up to every single initiative the Dem Prez (Osama or Hillary) puts forth, perhaps derailing or stalling many of the efforts the Dem in Congress support.

If McCain is elected, then the GOP in Congress will stand behind him in every single initiative he puts forth, in effect endorsing everything the Dems in Congress support.

So the choice of President determines the actions of the GOP - whether they enable liberal policies, or fight them.

Even though Bob Bar may not be elected, the GOP is certain to sit up and take notice, and perhaps the next election they will "pander" to the conservatives, rather than the middle.

honest question
Warwagon57, most of the McCain supporters posting here push him as the "lesser of two evils". I take it you really like him, and think he'd be the best POTUS since Ronaldus Magnus.

Granted, that puts him up against Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II, so I see your point there.

Seriously, what good things do you expect him to do as POTUS?

I ask this as an honest question - I'm curious, not trying to be snide or whatever...

No Chris my argument for McCain

The entire argument from you McCain supporters comes down to:...

is that he will be the finest President since Ronaldus the Great headed West

my second argument is that people like you dont like him!

Robert

Thomas J Gassett scribbles:
I bet there is a long Latin word that describes this sort of mental illness.

NOPE, but a short one. Libatus

Thomas J Gassett scribbles:
That said, you should get down on your knees and make nice with McCain, not the other way around.

I will "make nice" and get on my knees when he gets on his elbows and kisses my arse.

As wobbie would say

S for you

real world choices
The entire argument from you McCain supporters comes down to:

"Obama will be bad for the country. So vote for McCain"

I think I can speak for those of us who plan to vote 3rd party this year in saying,

"McCain will be equally bad for the country."

I'm fully aware of all the bad things Obama wants to do to us. But Cap & trade would be as bad or worse for our country as Government health care. With McCain in power it'll be just like Bush - twist a few GOP senator arms and leftward we go.

With Obama in power, what GOP is left in congress will at least mount a concerted defense against his marxist policies.

recession and recovery
Thomas J Gassett, Let me explain:

In 2001, when we were in an actual recession, McCain voted against Bush's original tax proposal (EGTRRA). Only one other GOP senator voted against it.

In 2003 when we were in a sluggish recovery - with jobs especially lagging - McCain voted against the acceleration of the 2001 bill's tax cuts (JGTRRA). Only two other GOP senators voted against it.


Why did he want higher tax rates then but not now?

MIndless RR
What I'm after is less winning everything in four years and more getting the GOP back to its limited government roots>>>

I bet there is a long Latin word that describes this sort of mental illness.
Four years of Obamy will mean universal healthcare. Can you tell us when the people were giving a massive handout ... and then the next president took it back? No you can't. Why not think it through instead of mouthing the lines of the idiot RR wing clown that programed you?

You freaks are burning everything down ... there won't be anything left to save, you stupid, stupid RR wing ideological burka wearing fool!

Feel The Pain Of Voting McCain
The knife in your back is amnesty, the one at your throat is cap and trade.

The RR mindless set
But in 2001 and 2003 when McCain voted against the original tax cuts, we were in an actual recession and a sluggish recovery. Why did he want more taxes then but not now? >>>

I can do without your online diagnosis, clownboy. AT the end of your waste of space you finally ask a stupid question. Good for you.

First, You say were in a reccesion with a sluggish recovery. Well, how can you be in a reccession and have any sort of recovery?

When or if you ever catch a clue, you won't be stupid RR wing hack.

relative badness
at 2:02 slacker responded to me: "... Ah, so you not talking about IF he loses, but about the reasons pundits will give for his loss."

Correct. If the GOP thinks they lost because they weren't liberal enough, that would be bad. And I'm mainly concerned with the GOP's internal discussions, polling and analysis - not the pundits.



slacker continues: "It might work, but only if Obama is seen as a failure after 4 years."

What I'm after is less winning everything in four years and more getting the GOP back to its limited government roots. If they get back on track, the election victories will come.

So even if Obama were to get re-elected (which I seriously doubt), if the GOP is re-invigorated in their fight for limited government as a result, that's fine. As long as they are there to prevent a total slide to the left, we can wait a few years for another shot as a majority party. The GOP certainly botched their 2001-2006 control of the government - partially because of McCain's "crossing the isle", I might add.



slacker continues "...Thus for your strategy to be successful, Americans would have to be hurting after 4 years and blame it on Obama. Hoping for that is not a great way to be an American in my opinon."

I don't hope for harm to befall my country. I believe that it will be harmed by either Obama or McCain.



The question is not "will Obama harm the country?" (obviously he will) - but rather "Would more long-term harm occur with McCain or with Obama as POTUS?"

I honestly believe McCain would do more long-term harm. I realize this is due to a lot of conjecture on my part, and I completely respect the opinions of those answer my question differently. But I'm not going to vote for either one of them.

mountain rose.....OBI-WAN KENOBI.?
CHUCKLE,CHUCKLE,CHUCKLE ! THANKS I NEEDED THAT!
Gonna take a long medical leave...tell talent scout I said"take it easy guy,see you in the fall...I hope. One closing thought..could obama and John both just take an exit...NOW!?
ELVIS

Really...
This article starts from a faulty premise… that the conservative base needs to be catered to in this election to win it. Repulicans are probably going to lose anyway. The GOP starts out in this election inside an ENORMOUS, Bush-and-Rove-dug hole. A traditional conservative Republican WILL NOT WIN IT. Americans are rejecting traditional Republicans. Their slim and only hope of winning is by pushing toward the center… especially now that the Dem nominee is so far to the left. McCain represents the best teensy hope of this diseased party precisely because he is not a part of it. Follow David Limbaugh’s advice for zero chance to win.

to Thomas J Gassett
time to take that blood pressure medication, or maybe breath into a paper bag or something, man. If you don't have your health, you don't have anything.

Rather than risk causing an aneurysm by responding to your misconstruing of my positions point-by-point, I'll just ask one question:

At 5:41 you wrote: "McCain voted against the tax cuts because he said at the time he wanted spending cuts too. That damn Rino! He is for the cuts now, because with a weak economy the last thing you want are more taxes"

We are currently in a soft economy with slow growth, but not (yet?) in a recession. McCain says he wants to make Bush's tax cuts permanent - according to you - because of this week economy.

But in 2001 and 2003 when McCain voted against the original tax cuts, we were in an actual recession and a sluggish recovery. Why did he want more taxes then but not now?

Reality check
Who cares about $10 per gallon gasoline? A bunch of liberal whiners, that's who.
>>>

Yeah? Will liberals support more nuclear engery? How about drilling over the horizion in Floriduh, or Californicat? How about drilling on ANWAR? Will liberals support turning our vast coal deposits into gas?

Clearly, we will continue to pay more and more for energy, while the treehuggers run our national energy policy. Think of these elitist bastards every time you fill you tank. Thanks for playing.

the insanity of the RR
The Iraq war will cost us upwards of 3 trillion dollars by the time its over if we elect McCain.

>>>

Prove it. Considering we've only approach 1 trillion so far.

Do the math stupid. Obama wants a 45 trillion carbon tax and with a democrat congress, he's gonna get it.

The ugly right is willing to burn down the party, open the door to taxes, universal healthcare, a carbon tax, and the ruin of the court republicans have been fighting to build for over twenty five years.
So, maybe one of you RR wing nuts can tell us just what the hell you think your saving?

The Christian Rightwing Crybaby Alert!
You had your guy in Bush the worst president in our history. Before 2006 election you had your congress of religious GOP wackos whose sole job was to get paid off by lobbyists and failed in their duty for oversight.What I want all of you Christian rightwing types to do is reflect on what failures and ignoramus you have become and realize the nation was ill served and disgusted by your behavior.Come back in 2 years after you have repented.

One Conservatives View
Bay Buchanan, the conservative activist and sister of Pat, doesn't believe it matters what McCain does. As she wrote online the other day, "(I)n reality, there is only one candidate in November. Barack Obama. In November he will win or he will lose. John McCain is relevent only in so far that he is not Barack Obama. The senator from Arizona is incapable of energizing his party, brings no new people to the polls, and has a personality that is best kept under wraps."

flush the RR
Subject: to Thomas J Gassett
who at 12:55 wrote "1. The base nominated McCain."

I beg to differ.>>>

Who cares? Only the RR is stupid enough to conclude that the base of the party ... the majority didn't nominate McCain.

He continues "...If you're too damn good to reach out to McCain you better hope he loses. If not, your power over the republican party is gone forever, and you idiots should have realized this months ago."

It's called principles. >>

NO, it's called mental disease.
You are acting like petulant children, instead of principled adults.

Just what do you lunatics think will be left to save, after defeat in Iraq, crippling tax increases, opening the door wide to universal healthcare, and ruining a court real conservatives have been fight to build for twenty five years? Riddle me this or just shut the hell up.

The RR are no better than the limp Left, and without these haters republicans would remain the majority party, instead of a lunatic fringe group.

Do what's right flush the RR, or say hello to socalism.



"Your move." My move would be kick everyone of you stupid RR wing nuts out of my party. Oh, and take the Coulterquist and the Rushites with you. I'm tired of being hated for no other reason than I'm in the same party with the ugly Right.

Alabamian to Libertarian Party>>

Who cares what insignificant group you Jihadis belong to? Inquiring minds want to know.

slacker:
Can't you answer a simple question about who's going to pay for what BHO wants to do, or has BDS completely clouded your ability to think clearly?

NO FOUNDATION...HMMMM??!
A structure and a person crumbles to the earth
without "A FIRM FOUNDATION" (GOSPEL SONG)!?
Johnnie aint gonna make it w/out the Foundation
of Conservatives!
ELVIS

Slacker
COW COOKIES! You are applying AFFIRMATIVE ACTION to Hard Edged Humor?!?!?! Terminal Kool-Aid Drinker.

,If you don't vote for McCain
you will have plenty of time to repent at leisure.

McCain bashers news alert!
Just watched Ron Paul announce his own convention.
He feels dissed, and so do a lot of you.
Join him.
Invite Hillary.
That way you all can have your own pity party.

george washington
Gotta love a good cigar, once in a while. Just can't give it up completely.

BmanIII & Georgetwin & Magic Negros
My point about this appalling appeal to the baser natures is not whether it is funny or not.

It is about the POLITICAL STRATEGY of leveraging basic stereotypes and prejudices about african americans as a wedge issue to defeat obama and elect mccain.

It is not an attack on Obama for his position on issues. It is an attempt to make people fear him because he is BLACK and SCARY and threatinging like a thug or swaggering rap star.

I am not against poking fun at him as long as the way in which it is done has some basic respect for the man - as a human being, not a stereotype - and the office he is running for and may one day hold. People this stuff is seen over the entire world. IF HE WINS it is not the image you want portrayed by our most listened to talk show host around the world. It is not the attitude you want leaders around the world to point to as how to view the POTUS.

Yes, there have been some parodies of Bush on Leno and other shows, and I am not defending any of them. However, an objective view will see this as lower and more hateful and harmful than any of those.

Slacker, you had better...
...stop smoking that stuff...it'll kill you, man.

Your Obedient Servant,

George Washington

Lumberjack
The Iraq war will cost us upwards of 3 trillion dollars by the time its over if we elect McCain.

Semsibly ending our misadventure there will save more than enough to pay for Obama's programs.

We've had 7 years of republican leadership in the white house and we have gone from a budget surplus of which 1.2 trillion was earmarked for Social Security to decades of deficits and red ink in front of us and our children.

You cannot seriously argue that voting for another republican administration is voting for fiscal respnnsibility.

Republicans have LOST ALL CREDIBILITY ON FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. I am not saying all dems are better, but some are. I'll take the Clinton surplus, even if 2/3 of it was smoke and mirrors, over Bush real deficits and trillions of our $ in the hands of middle east despots, china, and Chavez to finance it ANY DAY.

doctorfixit & slacker
You forgot free internet access and one those shiny new iPhone thingy's.




And to slacker:
Dude, bro, homey, peep, Holmes, James, don't you call me prejudiced just because I think that the parody "Barak the Magic Negro" is funny.

There are a lot of Bush parodies that I laugh at also. So are YOU prejudiced if YOU laugh at those??

Don't be illin' as CurtalFriar wrote earlier.





Deal with it
Seriously, I don't want to hear it. I didn't vote for McCain in the primaries but now we've got a guy who is not a real Republican, running against a guy who is a Marxist. Those are your choices, folks. I'm obliged to vote for McCain because, well, he's not the Marxist candidate. It's an easy choice, but a terrible choice.

I never understood why my conservative friends would even consider voting for McCain in the primaries over some of the other candidates who were much more aligned with conservative values. Especially at a time in our history when it is more important than ever to have someone who can bring us together as conservatives, someone we can get behind, unite the meandering, pedantic and pathetic Republican party, and keep our society from going to hell in a handbasket. I'll never understand why we as voters can be so myopic and superficial. So deal with it, those are the cards we're holding in our hands.

Slacker
BUFFALO BAGELS! It is COMEDY! Jon Stewart LAMPOONS President Bush on an almost NIGHTLY BASIS! Does he hate White People?

DoctorFixit
What did Siberia ever do to us?

Doug
I am sure you pay taxes Doug:

Sales tax
Excise tax on new tires
Disposal Fee on the new tires
Excise tax on a new battery for your car
Disposal fee on the new battery
Gas tax
Tax on your monthly phone bill (GORE TAX)
Admissions tax to a theatre
Tax on your monthly utility bill
Tax on your cell phone
Tax on your cable TV bill
Maybe a waste disposal fee (tax)
Federal Income tax
State income tax



In business you say - then I could use up all of my 2,000 characters and more on that one.

If I wasn't about to leave work I could come up with many, many more.




barrack the magic negro
May not be the lowest racist appeal to the baser instincts of American people but it is transparently close.

The whole idea is to define Obama as a scary black ogre like a rap thug, a mugger waiting to rob you, or a fraud like Al Sharpton.

The "he's not like us" story in the lyrics operates on 2 levels. On the level of "deniability" it allows the writer and listener to engage in subtle self deception, saying Oh, I am not racist I am saying Obama is NOT Farrakhan or Sharpton, SnoopDog or the boys in the hood. I am elevating him!!!

But on the subtle racist, right wing nut hate think level the writer is inviting the listener to think Oh, I see, he really is black like those scary ogrss. In fact voting for Obama is just like voting for a slum dwelling crack addict out to rob me for his next fix if I stray into the wrong neighborhood. What was I thinking, he's not like ME! ... he is more like those half human drug fiends or black panthers, or an uppity slave needing to be put in his place than a PRESIDENT for heaven's sake. Oooooh. Now I am too scared people of that complexion to vote for him.

People who think this is funny are failing to see the dark prejudices in their own souls that are the source of their hate and frustrations in the modern world.

Lumberjack7392
When you have time, go on that website and check out some of the arguments I’ve had with Liberals on other HOT BUTTON ISSUES. ALL of The Liberals on that site are Leftover Hippies and/or Clueless College Co-eds.

Hal is a Blubbery BOHICAN whose waistline and IQ are getting closer to each other ALL THE TIME!

Vote For ME
I promise
- no one will pay any tax
- the government will give you everything free.
- you will live forever and you will never get old.
- disease and illness will be prohibited
- your mother in law will be sent to Siberia
- free cable

McCain and the conservative vote
I don't know if you can do so or not without being hanged, but when you talk about conservative voters, I think you must clarify that 99% of this bloc are white. When it comes to Christian voters, blacks vote (to their shame) almost completely Democrat, regardless of how pro-abortion the candidate is (e.g., Obama.)

Georgetwin,
Just read the article. I wonder how the lib will feel if and when he finds out that having a gun might not be a bad idea.

BTW, you know HAl would call us scared and clinging to our guns.

Dude's An Idiot
Voting is a waste of time, elections are a distraction. We live in a judicial dictatorship. Our rulers wear black robes but they should be wearing blindfolds.

The "conservative base" needs to form a new party - Republicans hate conservatives, mock libertarians..

The born-agains need to stay out of politics or they should lose tax-exempt status. McCain is right to ignore them.

Politics won't solve anything. Talk is cheap. You want freedom - you have to take it. No politician is going to give it to you.

That is
The 2nd Amendment in English :)!

Mc Nut's ?? !
I would like to Slap him silly ! Wake up you damn Fool .
Your about ready to give America our first Marxist president along with a totally Leftist Congress .
He along with about 50 or So candy Butt Republicans are destroying the Legacy of Ronald Reagan and the Conservative movement for many years to come . He should have run as a Independant or " The ? Party " .

slacker:
You still haven't answered my question. Who is going to pay for the extra $1 trillion in spending the BHO wants?

GunnyG-BMan-LJ7392-HScorpio
You will enjoy this, check out this Liberal Moron's interpretation of The 22n Amendment. I am Georgetwin on this site also:

http://www.theintelligencer.net/page/content.detail/id/5100 20.html

Bmanlll taxes
I saw the post were you explained about the earned income credit to slacker. I agree that it dosen't seem right. I dont think you should get back more then you pay in, that being said though I dont have a problem with a minnimum income level to be taxed.

I would much prefer a simpler tax system. Although the 1040 ez form that I had been using up until the time I had properties and business interest seemed, ohh yeah and a wife, seemed pretty easy to me. (I didnt get all those things at the same time)

No I dont think we disagree much on taxes what I have an issue with is the alienation that I feel when a Rush or you say the middle class pays no taxes, when I know dang well those pesky tax people is gettin some of mine. It kind of almost causes me to tune out. So I know if I who agrees with most of what Rush says gets turned off by that then Im sure it must really bother others who are less inclined to accept conservative viewpoints.

Lumberjack7392
And Bill Moyers too. Rather's Viewers USED to be counted in The MILLIONS. Now they are counted by a show of hands. LMAO! (HIC!) :)

Vic
Thanks for the link.

I will be using it tonight.


And a whole lot of thanks to Gunny & Georgetwin...

Now I will be singing Barak the Magic.... all the way home

GunnyG
That is one of my favorite Rush Parodies. Don't forget that it was GOP Senators who provided The Margin of Victory for LBJ's Civil Rights Legislation.

The Willing Suspension of Disbelief is ALIVE AND WELL at DNC Headquarters, also known as 30 Rock.

BmanIII
1) This is a targeted tax cut at the middle class not an across the board cut. And yes, it will be refundable, which it has to be because some people are too poor to pay taxes. It preserves the revenue stream for Soc. Security since the $ are still counted into the so-called Soc. Security trust fund we all know is smoke and mirrors.

2) Yes. I think Obama will try to reduce the $ going to tax preparers by the proposal to simplify the tax code. He may not succeed, but it has a better chance of happening than the "fair tax" does of ever getting passed.

3) No, I didn't say that financial aid is not helping anyone. In case you have not noticed most financial aid is in the form of loans that it is nearly impossible to default on if you have any kind of income, so it is not a "give away".

4) The high standard deduction isn't high enough to keep most middle class taxpayers from itemizing, especially if you have home mortgage and property tax to deduct.

Also, in most places in the US a family of 4 earning $24,000 with an earned income credit of $3,255 is pretty much lower class not middle class. The HHS poverty guideline for a family of four is $21,200 in 2008. They are defintely not going to be putting much away for retirement in addition to Soc. Security or for college expenses for the 2 kids.

LJ7392
Whatever, if you remember the original 'Invisible Man' movie. The Invisible Man was a Fruitcake. Anymore, Robert is 'The Invisible Man' of TH and a Fruitcake also :).

Georgetwin writes:
Hank Scorpio
Did you see the footage from The Liberal Kookfest in Minneapolis? A ROOMFULL of Kooks threatening The Factor Camera Crew. What ABJECT COWARDS Far Left Types are.

Did you happen to see that "the paragon of fairness" Dan Rather was there?

doug
I agree that a tax is a tax is a tax is a tax....

However when talking in the context of Washington D.C. their idea of income taxes are, well, just income taxes. The more appropriate term for FICA is payroll taxes, again, when talking in D.C. terms.


I have seen thousands of so called "taxpayers" receive more back in refunds than they paid in "FICA" and "income taxes." And believe me, it ain't a pretty sight.




Georgetwin
I heard the Barack the Magic Negro song the other day on Rush and thanked God I was in traffic otherwise I'd have had to pull over.

Of course, the moonbats freaked but failed to remember that it was a LIB LA Times reporter who annoited Saint Barack the Redeemer the "Magic Negro."

kinda like how they ignore the racist history of the DNC and KKK Byrd's usage of the "N" word.

Hank Scorpio
Did you see the footage from The Liberal Kookfest in Minneapolis? A ROOMFULL of Kooks threatening The Factor Camera Crew. What ABJECT COWARDS Far Left Types are.

sorry spelling aint my forte
and if anyone can explain how I can get spell check to work on these post I would greatly appreciate it, as always willing to learn Doug.

Bman
A link for you:

http://www.enr-scvotes.org/SC/4186/5486/en/summary.html

Georgetwin writes:
BTW, Rush played the audio of his cousin being appointed a District Judge for Eastern Missouri. Wal-Mart Wobbie will go NUTS! Which for him is a VERY Short Trip :)!

Don't you mean go from nutty to nuttier? RJS is already a flippin' loon.

Bmanlll, playing the reverese class envy
card
"Most of the middle class doesn't pay taxes at the present time, unless you take into consideration the payroll tax"

I dont know where you get this idea but Im lower middle class and Ive paid income tax every year of my life. I have never got more back at the end of the year then I have paid in.

I've heard Rush say this repeatedly on his show but it is just plain false.

As for the middle class paying fica only... flat out it is still a tax, and just about anyone with a paycheck pays into it.

Conservatives could do more for the cause by pointing out why responsible taxation mixed with limited government spending is the better choice for America then continuously insulting the middle class as parisitic idiots.

GunnyG
I am fine with tuition credits via GI Bill for those who serve in the Armed Forces or perform other government service. They should be eligible for the tax credit for additional tuition they pay out of their own pocket.

Obama's proposal does not give anyone a "free ride." Tuition, room, board, books, and travel expenses costs a lot more than $4K these days and has for quite a while. A student without money is still going to require student loans, and scholarships and income from working under Obama's proposed tax credit.

Neither point, however, is an argument against a tax credit for the first $4,000 of tuition for middle class students.

Sheepdog
"Hamas is using Obama as bait to lure the sheep to dinner."

That is probably the best analogy I've heard to date. My Recon buddy says of the libs: "They stand for nothing and thus, fall for everything."

GunnyG
The Daily Kook called for Liberals to cross over and vote for McAmnesty McMidget in open primary states. He appealed to the folks that frequent his website, Liars, Cheats, Cowards and Other Liberals.

BTW, Rush played the audio of his cousin being appointed a District Judge for Eastern Missouri. Wal-Mart Wobbie will go NUTS! Which for him is a VERY Short Trip :)!

GunnyG writes:
Lumberjack7392
Exactly.

The Corps paid 75% of my tuition and I went to classes AFTER work. Now they pay 100%. That leaves the smart kids who choose this path a 30K GI Bill to use to further their marketablity in the Corp world by getting an MA/MS/MBA.

But that means they'd have to WORK for it and libs aren't about that.

What they are about is getting something for nothing.

sheepdog writes:
GunnyG
Remember that link I sent you awhile back about my moniker? What people like MDogg and his ilk can't seem to grasp is Hamas is using Obama as bait to lure the sheep to dinner. The scenario couldn't be set up any better. Hamas knows that to set the trap, we'd have to elect someone who would want "Peace at any cost" and who fits that description better than Obama.
Lets hope the only title that Obama has after the elections is Senator.

I think that his title wil be the Right Honorable Neville Obama.

Lumberjack7392
Exactly.

The Corps paid 75% of my tuition and I went to classes AFTER work. Now they pay 100%. That leaves the smart kids who choose this path a 30K GI Bill to use to further their marketablity in the Corp world by getting an MA/MS/MBA.

But that means they'd have to WORK for it and libs aren't about that.

Slacker
Addressing your 1:49 comment:

1) Why not just reduce the FICA tax to begin with. Sounds like another gov't give away. Is this tax credit going to be a refundable credit? If so, it is another welfare program just like the earned income tax credit is. And what exactly does "preserve the revenue stream for Social Security" in this context?

2) Do you really think Obama (or most any politician) is going to go that far and take away the revenue from the tax attorneys and that lobby??? I don't see that any time soon from any party.

3) Federal Financial Aid I thought was doing a good job at that. So you are saying that another lib program that cost hundreds of millions of dollars is not helping anyone? If this were to pass then tuition would just increase to get the extra money.

4) The purpose of having the high standard deduction was to eliminate the need for the average taxpayer to have to itemize on their tax returns.

Also keep in mind that a family of 4 (Father, Mother and two kids) can earn up to $24,300 before they have a tax liability. And this would qualify them for the earned income credit of $3,255. So not only do they not pay any taxes at this income they will receive $3,255 back. if that is not a rip off then I don't know what is

GunnyG
Remember that link I sent you awhile back about my moniker? What people like MDogg and his ilk can't seem to grasp is Hamas is using Obama as bait to lure the sheep to dinner. The scenario couldn't be set up any better. Hamas knows that to set the trap, we'd have to elect someone who would want "Peace at any cost" and who fits that description better than Obama.
Lets hope the only title that Obama has after the elections is Senator.

GunnyG writes:
Subject: slacker
Instead of using OPM (other people's money) to pay for tuition, here's a novel idea. They serve in the Armed Forces to get the GI Bill AND free tuition in State universities if they return to the state they enlisted in...

OR

serve in some type of Federal service to earn the civilian equivalent of the GI Bill.

Why should they get a free ride? Is there some problem with WORKING one's way through college that we don't know about?

What about working hard enough in high school to qualify for grants and scholarships?

Or a combination of grants and scholarships, loans, and part time jobs? That's how I did it for my BA. Then when I went back for my MA, I used the GI Bill, I qualified for after 12.5 years in the Navy.

Primus54
Thanks. I just want him to admit that he's a loser and only concerned with getting a free hand out.

Those who can...DO!

Those who can't or won't...vote Dhimmicrat.

slacker
Instead of using OPM (other people's money) to pay for tuition, here's a novel idea. They serve in the Armed Forces to get the GI Bill AND free tuition in State universities if they return to the state they enlisted in...

OR

serve in some type of Federal service to earn the civilian equivalent of the GI Bill.

Why should they get a free ride? Is there some problem with WORKING one's way through college that we don't know about?

GunnyG©
Excellent post to MDoggg at 2:10 PM.

Of course, you are wasting your time defending the middle class's investments with him.

If it is not an entitlement - bequeathed by the US Government - MDoggg wants nothing to do with it.

Mea Culpa
Here is the link for the Shapiro study.

http://www.energytomorrow.org/media_center/Shapiro_Pham_Stu dy.pdf

So WHO is Saint Barack the Redeemer going after? The Middle Class, just like his commie mentor taught him.

Mdoggg
Just curious - why does your "Location" keep changing?

Thought you were in NY - or KY?

Or are you trying to avoid the TH censors?

GunnyG
What is your point? Money is money. Colleges, especially state universities and community colleges don't care if you got the $ for tuition from a tax refund or not. I will agree students should meet admission requirements and do the work once they get in. That is, no preferential treatment for students based on income, etc in schools.

The tuition tax credit has nothing to do with health care which is a separate issue for us to debate.

Try thinking about issues before repeating right wing pablum points.

MDogg
BTW, Obambi stated yesterday:

"I'll make oil companies like Exxon pay a tax on their windfall profits, and we'll use the money to help families pay for their skyrocketing energy costs and other bills."

FACT: 1.5% of the stock of oil companies is owned by company executives. (Source: Bill Clinton's undersecretary of commerce for economic affairs, Robert J. Shapiro.)

FACT: 98.5% of oil company shares is owned by the middle class. "With the majority of industry shares held by institutional investors, often on behalf of millions of Americans through mutual funds, pension funds and individual retirement accounts." (Source: Bill Clinton's undersecretary of commerce for economic affairs, Robert J. Shapiro.)

Research is your friend...unless you're a kool-aid drinking lib.





Here's what Shapiro has to say about the ownership of the other 98.5% of oil company shares: "The data show that ownership of industry shares is broadly middle class, with the majority of industry shares held by institutional investors, often on behalf of millions of Americans through mutual funds, pension funds and individual retirement accounts."



So ... when Barack Obama talks about a windfall profits tax, just who's money is he going to seize? He's talking about taking the savings, investments and retirement funds of middle class Americans.



MDoggg writes:
That's an interestin assertion - Jimmy carter was a graduate from Annapolis and did WHAT to treat the military like crap? How did Clinton treat the military like crap?

Obviously you missed the Jimmy the Joke years. Try no pay raises for years, while inflation was running 14%, telling the troops if they did not like his no benefits increases they could vote with their feet, and the military ended up 100,000 officers and ncos short, cuts in the military, very extended deployments,, and no appreiation for what we did.
Clinton had military personnel assigned to the White House act as waiters, told them not to wear their uniforms to work, and used them to cover up his indiscretions. I, also, believe that he stated quite openly that he loathed the military.

slacker: Who is going to pay for all those new programs? I do believe even the CBO has stated that even if all the GWB tax cuts were abolished on everyone, an additional $350-500 billion in new taxes would be needed to pay for all the programs BHO wants.

Chris,
You say,
"It will be BETTER for the country for McCain to lose in a way that makes it obvious the GOP base revolted, so that they get back on track."

Ah, so you not talking about IF he loses, but about the reasons pundits will give for his loss. It might work, but only if Obama is seen as a failure after 4 years.

Your risk is that this will not be the case. In fact he could be still perceived as OK after 4 years (a la Clinton) even though your base thinks he is a dismal failure. If he is still liked after 4 years for whatever reason, no one will pander to the base. The party will try to make inroads into Obama's base as the democrats have tried to do with the so called blue dog dems in 2004 which succeeded.

Thus for your strategy to be successful, Americans would have to be hurting after 4 years and blame it on Obama. Hoping for that is not a great way to be an American in my opinon.

slacker
Germany subsidizes college tuition for their population. 10% that are allowed to attend colleges under gov't subsidy that is. The other 90% are carefully weeded out through testing in the school years unless they can privately pay their way, they don't go to college.

What's next? Deciding who gets gov't health care and for how long, depending on their "worth" to society?

Try researching issues instead of repeating liebral pablum points.

MDoggg
Also, I should point out that the liberals held a majority in the Congress for sixty YEARS and did nothing. They even had a Dummycrat POTUS (Carter) and managed to only make things worse. Bill Clinton had a liberal majority Congress until 1994. Why didn't they do something? Why is the Senate, now liberal controlled, doing NOTHING but trying to pass a Windfall Profits Tax instead of drilling and building new modern refineries?


HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
"Could it mean that an Obama presidency might beckon peace in the region?"

Just when I thought you couldn't post anything more stupid you come up with this gem...

Gunny
I know all about NJ, big shock they are lead by liberals. Just look at their unconstitutional gun laws, and then take a walk through Camden...

Oh, and Steaming DogggPile, the democrats are the ones standing in the way. You must be the dumbest person on the planet to not see that.

BmanIII
You ask, "If Obama wants to give a tax cut to the middle class where does he start?"

I don't agree hat "most of the middle class doesn't pay taxes... except for payroll and Social Security...."

f you were right, then taxes would not be of interest in the campaign. Why would anyone care about Obama's position on texes if you don't have to pay them???

But anyway, here is Obama's positions on taxes from his web site:

1) Create a new tax credit offsetting payroll tax on the first $8,100 of earnings but preserve the revenue source for Social Security.

2) Simplify. IRS will give taxpayers option of a pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return to the IRS or online based on information the IRS already has instead of making you collect it. Saves up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.

3) Make first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans, covering two thirds the cost of tuition at the average public college or university.

4) Expand Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit. Make it refundable and allow low-income families to receive up to a 50 percent credit for their child care expenses.

5) Eliminate Income Taxes for seniors making Less Than $50,000. This will provide a tax cut averaging $1,400 to 7 million seniors.

6)A Universal Mortgage Credit. The current mortgage interest deduction excludes the nearly twothirds of Americans who do not itemize their taxes. Anyone with a mortgage can take advantage of this tax incentive for homeownership including non-itemizers. It will provide the average recipient with pproximately $500 per year in tax savings.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/EconomicPolicyFul lPlan.pdf

Mdogg
I should clarify...

RINOs = Libs.

No difference in our eyes.

Hank Scorpio
Hannity was kicking the crap out of the libs and the RINOs yesterday relating how the Feds take in 15% of the price of a gallon of gas for doing NOTHING to get it to the pumps while the evil oil companies only make 4% profit on the price.

Another point on socialists is to be found in New Jersey.

The Toxic Waste State has a BAN on self-service pumps which adds about 5-10 cents per gallon to the retail price.

Hank Scorpio
WELL DONE! bookmarked that.

You'll notice that NO LIBTURD bothered to address my questions.

ANWR is 19.6 MILLION acres in size.

The oil companies have STATED that they only need to drill on 2000 acres, starting in winter and OUT by the spring, leaving a small footprint. (BTW, one of my uncles built the pipeline and validated this)

So, using my math skills, liberals are protesting the drilling of 1.02 percent of ANWR.

WHY? Because WE are paying for their gas thanks to a law a LIBERAL majority Congress passed!

oops
wrong link

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/216352_anwr17.html


Mdoggiesh*t
I stand corrected, if that is indeed part of one of Reagan's speeches and not something you cobbled together.

Admittedly, I did not read your whole post, as your words are usually asinine, illogical, and clumsy attempts to parrot socialist talking points.

Yes, it is true, that one should read a passage in its entirety in order to fully comprehend its meaning, but that is largely unnecessary with your pablum. On the rare occasion that your words would require closer scrutiny to gain all of the nuances and meaning, doing so would still prove to be a meaningless expenditure of time and effort, as you never have anything of worth to add to this or any discussion in which you have ever participated.

To put it in words you can understand, Mdoggiesh*t:

yo, fool, yo words don' mean sh*t!

MDogg
I don't find too many folks here supporting Bush's domestic spending and failure to rein in the RINOs. We CONSERVATIVES don't rubber stamp our leaders like you do on the left. We back the war against terrorism simply because I'd rather see THEM dying than Americans.

For example, how many times since 2001 have we in the homeland been attacked?

BTW, I see that HAMAS is backing Obambi and that they're working eagerly for him.

http://www.christianaction.org/Daily_Terrorism_News/May_200 8/Palestinians_Phonebank_for_Obama.html

http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=60255

As we point out over and over, liberals are weak on defense and foreign policy. But O-vomit will sit down UNconditionally with rogue state leaders and terrorist group leaders thus giving them credibility.

Doggg-Pile...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,179005,00.html

This was in 2005, guess who opposed it?? They all had a D next to their names.

I know America isn't stupid, but I know you ARE...

MDogg
Also, in review of: TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 115 > § 2387Prev | Next § 2387.

Activities affecting armed forces...

(a) Whoever, with intent to interfere with, impair, or influence the loyalty, morale, or discipline of the military or naval forces of the United States:
(1) advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States; or
(2) distributes or attempts to distribute any written or printed matter which advises, counsels, or urges insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

shows the left to be in violation of that as well. For example, "we'll support the troops when they shoot their officers," "we'll support the troops when they desert," etc.

MDogg
Treason under US Code is defined as:

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

I would point out that the only ones doing such acts are the left, as they give aid and comfort to the enemy with the statements (Durbin, Murtha), unauthorized visits (Pelosi), and over acts of aid (Code Pink and Bezerkely U sending medicine and supplies to the insurgents in Fallujah.)

Pointing out the short-comings and flip-flops, and gaffes of an empty-suited back bench rookie or the love of illegals by McShamnesty is not treason.

Sophie
You're kidding, right? I mean that was a joke, right? Are we supposed to take that seriously?

Well if we are, then you need to take this seriously...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,179005,00.html

Now go play with your FUPA...

MDoggg writes:
Gunny Says:
"Well, once Saint Barack the Redeemer, the Uniter, the Clean and Magical Negro takes over, I'll have lib fodder for a lifetime."

Except he'll also be the CinC - and republicans over the last 8 years - you included, have insisted that disrespecting the CinC - particularly during our great WOT, amounts to treason. So how will you reconcile that? Do the rules go out the door?

Actually I have not made that assumption about disrespecting the CinC, whether he is GWB or BHO. I base what I think of them as CinC upon what they do to the military. The last two Dem POTUSes have treated the military like crap, but hating the military goes with being a Dem. I expect BHO will do the same. Therefore, he will get the same level of respect Jimmy the Joke and Wee Willie Weinie Wagger got from me, i.e. none at all.

Everyone loves Sophie
You're using PMSNBC as a SOURCE!?

BWHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!

Georgetwin
I'm still trying to figure out how McShamnesty weaseled his way in. Obviously, since he's taken Soros money (see my blog today) Georgie obviously bought the nomination for him.

love my country
at 12:56 dreadnaught wrote: "... blah blah blah ... I say love our COUNTRY, and after that, our base."


Here's the thing: I'm not looking for goodies from McCain or whoever the president is. I don't have an agenda I want pushed through for my advantage.

What I want is constitutional, limited government. That benefits everyone in the country, whether they know it or not. I love my country dearly, and I want elected officials hold those principles in common with me because I think it would be best for the entire country, not just me or my ideological buddies.

Gunny
I must respectfully disagree with you and others on this election. Though I dislike McCain, I can't stomach the thought of even one day with Obama at the helm of America.

What I think needs to be done to teach the GOP a lesson is this: on the small level, let's get decent third party people in office.

Start local, work up to state level, and then work on getting third party congressmen. If both the dems and the repubs lose power in congress, they will have to take notice. If we start getting a majority of third party governors in, they will have to take notice.

we have to be patient and do the job right, changing it over the long haul. Two to three elections, we could break the power of both the repubs and the dems, and get some decent, uncorrupted third party people in the majority in congress, and maybe even get one in the white house.

The time is ripe for fresh blood.

That's what we need to do.

Throwing our country in the toilet by putting Obama into office is not going to help us or teach anyone a lesson. It's just going to get us covered with sh*t.

No thanks.

Chris
One of the few things you don't have to worry about is any conservative who is so involved and aware he will not vote for McCain, doing a stay home. We all know that conservatives winning in lower races is vital, and likewise the hope there will be enough fringe votes to register. I am not hopeful. Despite the potential for 06 to be a wake up call, the DC GOP establishment did almost nothing. None of the heads responsible for leading the debacle rolled. I would rather vote for a blue dog Dem than a CINO R any day. At least this may have the effect of altering that 96% re-election rate. I guarantee, the DC feather merchants will pay attention to that.

chris
Don't worry, we'll be writing in Thompson/Hunter and indeed, I've written to Fred on coming in as an Independent ala TH email. We WILL be voting seriously for our Rep/Sen. If O-Vomit slimes in, who cares if we have the Congcritter votes to block his socialist agenda.

Even better is that the empty-suit back bench rookie will screw things up so bad for the leftist swine that the Jackass Party won't be electable for anything higher than dog catcher for 20 years!

Curtal Friar
Thanks amigo. Well, once Saint Barack the Redeemer, the Uniter, the Clean and Magical Negro takes over, I'll have lib fodder for a lifetime.

That is, until they try to revoke the 1st and 2d Amendment. (Fairness Doctrine and Sarah brady!)

jilting all kinds of conservatives
at 10:20 Howee wrote: "McCain hasn't been "jilting" social "conservatives; rather he has been seeking to broaden the appeal of the GOP- or at least, his candidacy- beyond that segment of the electorate. For far too long, the social so-called "conservatives" have been the tail trying to wag the entire GOP dog"

Yeah, whatever, Howee.

The thing about McCain is he's jilted ALL the various kinds of conservatives - social, fiscal, anti-illegal immigration, and limited-government.

You could argue he's conservative on national defense, but he's for wide open borders. I'm for increased legal immigration, but we need to know who they are before they come in. This open border thing is a major security problem.

You could also argue he's a fiscal conservative based on his opposition to earmarks. But that doesn't reduce the size of government, it just slightly limits the opportunity for corruption and lets someone else decide how to spend the money. McCain has supported countless big-government programs, and this cap-&-trade thing is a disaster waiting to happen.



But Howee, I'm with you on "Conservative Big Government" being an oxymoron. It's not conservative at all.

david limbaugh


I may not understand; but isn't Limbaugh saying what's actually at the back of his mind, instead of offering McCain good counsel?

The words:

[He is] courting moderates and jilting the conservative base, including Christian conservatives;--"

Are meant to say: "PANDER to the Religious Right for all you're worth. They hold us in the palm of their (collective) hand. Be everything to every man. Don't dare move without the all-important impetus the "base" is so reluctant to offer you, Sen. McCain."

For many months now; talk-show greats such as David's famous brother have been pontificating the love of their conservative "base." To them there isn't any America except conservative blowhards; they run this country.

I myself admire Rush, Hannity and the type. My political beliefs are right or right-of-center. But I'll make up my own mind who to vote for. I detest a panderer; and we shouldn't CARE A FIG if POO BAHS like Dobson and his ilk hate McCain. Why should he be their property?

When he's elected President, he'll have a NATION to govern; all the Blue as well as Red states. Not only the anointed few in Rush's Golden Circle.

Hubris is not confined to leftist Americans; plenty of false pride pushes its weight around on the Right. I say love our COUNTRY, and after that, our base.

Ssgt-Anne-LJ7392-FWife-GunnyG-BMan-Other
What is TRULY IRONIC is we have The McAmnesty McMidget himself to thank for The Shoddy Candidacy of himself and Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama VIA McCain-Feingold. Obama flip flops like a fish out of water and he seems to follow The Yogi Berra Philosophy: “When you come to a fork in the road, TAKE IT!”

Also, once America sees a Tall, Horse Toothed, Glad Hander with a GREAT Speaking Voice on The Same Stage with a Short, Statue Boring, Walking Corpse. GAME OVER!!!

Robert
You know, I really wish you all would stop removing Robert's posts. Some of us who get here later in the day might like to know what the heck half of you are writing about when you respond to him. Otherwise it's just wasted space.

Gunny© and Georgetwin

Heh heh heh, Gunny©.... you, too, bro!

Yeah, George, it simply boggles the ming, I have to say.


Hank_Scorpio
I could not agree more. Carter shut down the oil industry in 1976 and it's the libvermin who have stood in the way of us being energy independent. There are four large fields in the US and several offshore and we drill in NO OF THEM thanks to the libs. Not to mention boutiquet blends and no new refineries since 1976.

But then again, when WE are paying for sh*tbirds like Rangel to drive around in a Caddie with his GAS and LEASE and INSURANCE paid for by US, why should they fix anything. Meanwhile, I cannot drive my GSA car home nor get reimbursed for my gas spent commuting.

"I would rather be governed by the first 2000 names in the boston phone book than the faculty at Harvard." W.F. Buckley.

Enough said.

least harm
at 9:44 jax33 wrote: "The big question is which of these two can do the least harm to our country. If Obama is elected,he will get everything he wants. Anyone that doesn't back him will be labeled racist. If McCain is elected, he will only gey what the left wants him to get. Plus the fact that Obama will get 2 terms."

I agree McCain will only get what the left wants (the GOP will go along with him whatever he does). But if Obama is elected, history shows that the GOP congress will grow a pair and fight him, while the few blue-dog democrats will suddenly gain enormous power, and will wield it as they did under Clinton.

Even though McCain is less liberal than Obama, the country may move further left with him.

If Obama wins I think he'll be worse than Carter and won't win a 2nd term. I bet he'll have to fight hard just to get re-nominated.



at 10:32 slacker wrote: "There are even some here who seem to be hoping for an Obama presidency that fails to set the stage for a "revival" or their brand of conservatism. How sad, and unpatriotic! Its horrible to think of these embittered "movement" conservatives actively hoping for an American president to fail so they can get back in power on their terms."

It's not that I want to punish the country, or let the Dems get credit for failure. It's that the GOP is our best realistic hope for limited government in the mid-term (4-12 years out) - but they've abandon those principles.

It will be BETTER for the country for McCain to lose in a way that makes it obvious the GOP base revolted, so that they get back on track.

Oil and foreign policy

McCain's just as much a "greenie" extremist as any other lib, what with his support of a ban on drilling in ANWR and offshore, as well as that "cap and trade" nonsense.

We have immense proven reserves: ANWR, offshore (where foreign nations are already developing drill sites in the Gulf of Mexico, etc); oil shale (1-2 TRILLION barrels of proiven reserves, enough to make us energy independant well into the next century, and economically viable as proven by Canada's development of its Athabasca oil sands). We haven't built a new refinery in over 2 decades.

The ban on development of these resources is the ONLY thing that makes us dependant on foreign oil, primarily from the ME.

If we were to develop these resources, the ME would become essentially irrelevant to us policy-wise. The simple announcement of the elimination of restrictions would, IMO, cause an IMMEDIATE and significant drop in oil prices as the implications were reflected in the market price.


So... you have liberals -- including McCain -- united in keeping us artificially dependant on foreign oil, while squabbling over how to mold a foreign policy that wouldn't even be necessary if we simply went ahead and developed that very same oil resource.

Am I the only one who sees the irony in this?

BrianR
You know what is sad? I remember folks being up in arms back when Baldy JustALiberal was the front runner. Now we have COME TO THIS?!?!?! Jindal/Pence or Jindal/Palin in 2012, The LAST Best Hope for America.

Just a thinker
Don't bail out on voting for President. We can begin to reclaim our inheritance if we vote third party/independent. A strong showing will help convince others that there are other choices, and in 2012, after four years of socialism, we may be able to actually gain the Presidency.

We have been sold out by both parties but we cannot give up. Visit FireSociety.com for an active discussion of independent choices. You can also start your own discussion thread or write an article; much better than the TH columnists' elite blather.

You can also visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG and find a lsit of independents you can choose from. The point is we must send the message that the lock on power by the two elite, internationalist minded parties is coming to an end. Don't fall for the old "vote the lesser of two evils or don't vote" scam. Lets start working to defeat these worthless hypocrites.

don't sit it out!
to Egon, GunnyG & others -
as bobthebuilder said at 10:45, please don't sit the election out. If you can't vote for McCain, send a message to the GOP by voting a limited government party like Libertarian or Constitutional or whatever - someone that's on the ballot. Write-ins may not get counted. The GOP studies those numbers carefully. If McCain loses some red states by margins smaller than the conservative/libertarian third-party vote, they will sit up and take notice.

Gunny
....Also, please explain to me why the liberals are standing in the way of drilling ON 2000 ACRES out of 19.6 MILLION acres in ANWR and how THAT has helped this nation since The Impeached One vetoed drilling in 1995.



Don't be silly Gunny. It's because during Katrina there was, what, 8 gallons of oil spilled. We can not have that you know.

gunny,
I wonder who knows the exact status of opil within USA boundaries. One day it is reported that we have enough energy to last for hundreds of years. The next day someone reports that the cost of using oil shale is still prohibitive.

But there is no doubt that the eco freaks have convinced the dim bulbs in congress that saving the environment means more than sending another $500 billion to our enemies in opec.

But the enviros live in a world where they think the whole all of america should be a pristin wilderness even if it requires that the oil sheiks ultimately own this country


Lily
Try opening a book on conservative values and reading what we're about. You might be surprised on how the free market, capitalism, and small government leads to economy wealth for all who WORK for it as well as enjoying a better standard of living.

Of course, there is always the socialist alternative that your boy Obambi endorses. Excellent examples of how well that's worked can be found in such garden spots like North Korea, Cuba, Chad, Zimbabwe, Angola, Europe, Canada, Venuezula, Peru (Shining Path), etc.

Gunny
good to have ya back!

I see you came back to your blog with a vengeance.

Great posts!

I don't mean to mock social "cons"
But one has to be realistic; W., and much of the GOP Congressional leadrship the previous 6 yrs, campaigned on and frequently attempted to govern on a socially "conservative" platform and on socially "conservative" values. Where did that get them, and conservatives broadly? A GOP that lost control of the house and Senate, a GOP President the least popular in a generation or more, non-defense related spending that would have made LBJ blush, increased divisiveness over "wedge" issues that, while important, have as their proper place for debate and suasion the court of public opinion, not the halls of Congress (convince people that- gambling/gays/pornography/drug use/euthansia/et al... are wrong, but don't dictat via law the conduct of adults... and don't federalize statre issues, either.) And for those opposed to McCain- who do you think would deliver less-activist judges, McCain or Obama? Who would you have more confidence in should the US be subjected to another domestic terror attack? Who do you think would hold a better line on taxes and regulation, hopefully putting/keeping more of your own $$$ in your own pockets so that you can choose to spend it as you wish (even Christian schools for your kids!)

McCain is far from perfect. But if the social cons were as influential as Rush's lil bro suggest, why is McCain the nominee, and not Huckabee, or Brownback, or Allen or Santorum or some of the other darling of the social Right? (I know, I know, Gov. FlipFlop from MA had that Mormon thing going on- anathema to some true believers.) Lastly, we're electing a President, not a pastor.

Gunny
"Also, please explain to me why the liberals are standing in the way of drilling ON 2000 ACRES out of 19.6 MILLION acres in ANWR and how THAT has helped this nation since The Impeached One vetoed drilling in 1995."

Add to that why the libs have kept us from building more nuclear reactors...

It's their fault we're in the mess we are now, not Bush or the oil companies.

BrianR
Nice to see you kicking the libs around like a rusty can. Kudos.

Lilly
Please explain to me how Turbin Durbin and Land Deal Reid's brilliant 1970ish Windfall Profits Tax will help reduce the price of gas at the pump.

Also, please explain to me why the liberals are standing in the way of drilling ON 2000 ACRES out of 19.6 MILLION acres in ANWR and how THAT has helped this nation since The Impeached One vetoed drilling in 1995.

Mdoggiesh*t
yo homes, what it is?

You must be really ignorant today, because I think I saw you trying to compare Obama to the great Martin Luther King, Jr.

you be illin'!

McCain Exit:
Not. Three reasons he has to stay: 1) With him in office, there is a better chance to defer the next Jihadist attack for a few more years, 2) Supreme court nominations, 3) he is the lesser of two evils but only in degree not in the direction both Obama and McCain are going.

Hey, Bman. Good to see you.

Doing well; and I hope you are, too.

Yeah, I don't post as much anymore ever since the race boiled down to two libs running for office.

Libber and Libberer.


BrianR
Long time no see Brian.

Hope everything is going OK on your end

Hey Coward Dean
You need to order more kool-aid for your libsnots.

From the small mind of Jesse Jackson Jr., Illinois Congresscritter, son of the world famous race p*mp, and overall moonbat bleats about Obomination getting the Democrat nomination:

"I cried all night. I'm going to be crying for the next four years. What Barack Obama has accomplished is the single most extraordinary event that has occurred in the 232 years of the nation's political history. … The event itself is so extraordinary that another chapter could be added to the Bible to chronicle its significance."

In the words of hal Drunkahue: "LMAO©!"

And they wonder why we laugh at their overt and total stupidity.

Flip side of that, Lilly

You seem willing to sacrifice all and everything on the altar of only one issue: Iraq.

That makes your rant sound pretty strange, no?

Which also means you're in a real pickle, because Iraq is HUGELY unpopular according to the polling data.

If that's all McCain's got, he shouldn't be picking drapes for the Oval Office any time soon.


I'll tell you what; the Iraq War was a roaring success, and the Occupation's been an unmitigated disaster. And I'm speaking as combat vet, not some never-been-in-uniform peacenik.

McCain's saying that we'll be there for decades more, and I think he's right. You want our boys there for the next 20 - 40 years? For what?

If I had a son, I'd be doing everything I could to keep him from joining up to go get involved in that mess.

I am worried
Obama's message is frightening for anyone who loves America 'more government is the answer" that should be frightening-think Katrina, government couldn't deliver not because it was George Bush but because it was government bureaucracy. Obama's message is Socialism and we better recognize that before he is elected. His background and friends are all "hate America" and raising taxes.
We need to reduce government, we need the Fair Tax to get rid of the IRS and greatly reduce the roll of lobbyists and lawyers within the government. Please study "The Fair Tax" and you will see how it levels the tax playing field for everyone. It is demonized by bureaucrats because it greatly reduces their size and voice.

Advice to John McCain
There is some nancy-boy who is doing the talk-show circuit, and is offering advice to John McCain about doing a makeover, to compete with the youthful, energetic image that Barak O-BlahBlah puts forth.

I just want to remind everyone what happened when Al Bore did his makeover, or when John Kerry got his Bo-tox injections, or when Nancy P-Lousy got her face lift that left her looking permanantly startled.

John McCain, instead, needs to cash in on his maturity and experience.

Think of Gandalf, and Obi-Wan Kenobi, the wise sage who leads their young and inexperienced charges into wisdom and maturity.

Think of Officer Malone (played by Sean Connery) from The Untouchables who teaches Elliot Ness "the Chicaga Way."

Just because some fools have bought into the youth culture does not mean that the image of the seasoned mentor has lost its eternal appeal.

John McCain needs to be cashing in on his decades of experience.

OK, so it wouldn't hurt if he whitened his teeth, but not too white, and he should not cap them.

He needs to put forward an image of maturity and wisdom, and forget competing against the shallowness and callowness of youth.

True Conservatives are funny...
...In a quite disturbing way. Don't wanna vote for McCain cuz it will compromise your principles? Boo hoo! Don't your principles include continuing to support the troops who are still in harm's way, fighting a war on our behalf? If Obama wins, our troops our screwed. Is that your noble principle??? You can only vote for candidates that agree with you on every issue? That's your noble principle? You can't vote for someone that doesn't worship at your altar? That's your noble principle?

Well, cling to those noble principles, and thank God that you still have the right to do as you wish... you just can't force everyone else to do your bidding.

I will thank God that I'm not so self-absorbed and self-serving as to be a "true" conservative. I prefer being a "true" American myself. Much like McCain.

The self-proclaimed "true" conservatives need to get over themselves. If you were so all-important, you not only would have the nominee of your choice, but you would have had a better choice in the primaries. Face it: you are Losers. So suck it up. If you really love this nation and all its virtues, you would vote in the best interests of the nation. Otherwise, you're just one more special interest bringing this nation down because you didn't get your way. Boo hoo!!!

McCain will be our next President, because most Americans are fed up with extreme partisanship on both sides. Can't wait to see the temper tantrums the "true" conservatives throw then.

Howee
First - I have to give Pres. Ronald Reagan credit for getting me interested in politics. At a time when I was only 16 I knew then that Jimmy Carter was a complete failure and embarrassment to this country. Then came President Reagan. I could not vote for him in 1980 as I was not old enough to vote.

But, in 1984 when I was old enough I made sure I was there on election day and there were many of my friends who I took to register before the 1984 elections so they could vote for Pres. Reagan. So, no I don't think Pres. Reagan was a sell out as you put it.

I am not a fan of McCain's either but that doesn't mean I will vote for him "just because." I don't vote based on polls, based on who has the most signs up, or who raises the most in campaign contributions, be it from Chinese sources or legal. I vote for the person whom I feel will be the best person for the office. So it looks as if there is a great chance I will be skipping that box when it comes time to pull the lever.

Just as I will head to the polls today to vote AGAINST Lindsay Graham, he will probably be nominated again just because he is well known. I can not and will not vote for him just as I probably will not vote McCain. And Bob Barr was appealing until recently. So he is out now. That leaves me with no where to go. i can only hope that CONSERVATIVES can get back the house and senate. Slim chance I know.

As far as your battleground state remark and social conservative remark then so be it. I'm not holding my nose and voting for someone. If I cant pull the lever with a clear conscious then I won't vote except in extreme cases such as Lindsay Graham. Hopefully if he is defeated today (by another republican for the nomination)with a clear majority that will send a message to the so-called "social conservatives."

Compromise:
McCain/Feingold
McCain/Kennedy
McCain/Liberman
Gang of 14
and so on....

If Obama wins it is because of the liberal media, the ignorant who vote for him, and the RHINOS who give us nothing we believe in to support.

ScottK, re "permanent two-party system"

You wrote: "Weather we like it or not, America will remain a two-party entity for the forseeable future."

That was exactly the thinking of the WHIG Party, too, until they were replaced by the GOP.

Further, even though in the current era the President has been either a Democrat or Republican, there have been plenty of other parties on the ballot. Jesse Ventura became a Governor on a "third-party" ticket, and Lieberman's an Independant.

On top of that, the GOP used to BE the "third-party" alternative.


Bob Barr's looking pretty good to me.

Egon, 9:00a.m. good post
My thinking is similar. Bush has managed to take the Republican party down to some extent. I fear that McCain will only sink it further. I think one of the biggest problems has been an attitude on the part of the Republican brass of "well, they're conservative, but they have to vote for our candidate; they have nowhere else to go."

The party has to learn not to take us for granted. They have steadily moved leftward and I have kept voting for them. Now I've about had it, and I suspect the McCain cure will be worse than the disease. I am speaking of long-term. In the meantime the country continues to just get sicker and sicker.

Conservatives have been holding on to one end of a rope and are being dragged ever further downhill. Maybe we are going to have to let go and maybe when they hit bottom it will wake them up.

Howee
well, thank you Mr. Man for calling me "sport" and "boy." It means as much to me as if Robert (Wobbie) himself had said it.

As far as compromise, stick it. Bush compromised on the No Child Left Behind bill and let Teddy write it. That got him a long ways didn't it.
That's just one example, dude.


Howee:
Just when did Reagan compromise with the Soviets? In many of his confrontations with the Dems, he did surrender. Just look what happened to his budgets.

Lumberjack7392
"Compromise to a lib or moderate is that conservatives surrender all their principles."

Tell that to Ronald Reagan. I consider him to have been a stalwart, principled conservative, but even he, on occassion, had to compromise, be it w/ others in our party, the Dems in Congress, even the Soviet Union, to ultimately advance our agenda.

but I guess some of today's self-described "conservatives" know better than Reagan.

Slacker...
While I find about 99.9% of your 10:32 post laughable I do want to ask you a question:

If Obama wants to give a tax cut to the middle class where does he start? Most of the middle class doesn't pay taxes at the present time, unless you take into consideration the payroll tax (FICA or Social Security for those of you in Rio Linda) which he has already proposed to raise. But then if you do take into consideration the FICA taxes they are negated by the Earned Income tax Credit (another Democratic welfare program administered by the IRS). So they actually get back more than they ever pay in ("taxes") and get credit for Social Security that they never actually paid.

IN OTHER WORDS, too many fools and stupid voters out there will believe they are getting a tax cut when, in fact, they don't pay taxes to begin with.


GunnyG writes:
Lumberjack7392
It'll be funny watching even a nitwit like McVanity thrash Obomination in the debates. Unless they're hosted by CNN!

Can you imagine how stupid Obama will look in those town hall meetings that are in the works? Even McCain could tear his a$$ out of the frame there.

Tough love.

T J Gassett, #14... a little crude, but a nice try.

Conservative 3rd-party voters have been called everything from purists to extremists to names like droolers. Some of that may be deserved. But mostly, I think that's over the top.

Even though I totally sympathize with their frustrations about RINOs and the GOP in general... I'm really saddened for their blindness and for the huge opportunity they keep throwing away year after year.

Because right within the 3rd-party rank-and-file lie the very seeds of reversal for the whole country... and for the better.

Because sadly, today's GOP is simply a reflection of two key factors; a country that has drifted somewhat left, and a substantial block of voters who have gone 3rd party or who are increasingly staying at home.

Unfortunately, this is where it gets painful.

-Weather we like it or not, America will remain a two-party entity for the forseeable future.

-Therefore, staying home or voting 3rd-party... is "always" a vote for the oppostion.

-And way too much of the damage done by the oppostion is simply not reversible and hurts real people real bad.

But there is, and remains, one sure-fire way to change our GOP in relative short order.

That is to change it from "within" by descending on it in droves... by people who are as mad as h*ll, and who really care for their country - the 3rd-party rank-and-file's and their frustrated stay-at-home partners.

Of course, 3rd-party leaders, those big fish in their really small ponds, will scream bloody murder and will (frantically) try to talk you out of any such silly nonsense.

But just think... think of what could actually happen.

I ask that
those of you who are going to sit out the election to please go to the polls and vote third party and down ticket. If you don't vote at all, then your not sending a clear message that we want true conservative candidates.

finally
Nice to say the pundits are starting to clue in to our little problem. I've been screaming about McCain's lack of appeal since he fell into the nomination. Rush was having a field day with Operation Chaos; and that's all very historical and great, but it didn't change the fact that we had nominated the worst possible candidate in terms of representing our party. McCain has made 8 years of low level war on the Conservative part of the base and has repeatedly betrayed the Republican party. He didn't deserve to run as a Republican, much less get the nomination. Now we're stuck with him. I dread an Obama victory, but I can't say I really care if McCain wins, as he also has high potential to wreck our economy with stupid policies. However, whether Mccain wins or loses, Conservatives have a problem in 4 years; McCain and his supporters seem to want the conservatives out of the GOP. Fine by me. If McCain is the new GOP, they can keep it. For the rest of us though, where do we go?

Lumberjack7392
It'll be funny watching even a nitwit like McVanity thrash Obomination in the debates. Unless they're hosted by CNN!

BMann
I am stuck with John Splat. I don't know who is worse, him are Cryburns.

BmanIII
As Hal Drunkahue would say: "LMAO!©"

Yeah, he's really gonna like it when that lawsuit hits him. I'd rather flog the pig and then douse him with hot tar and feathers. What a useless piece of DNA ABSCAM Murtha is...

BManIII
Liberal? Hardly, sport.

I just have no use for the so-called social "conservatives" seeking to impose their Big Government any more than I do Obama and his ilk seeking to impose their version of big Government. I have enough faith and confidence in my fellow citizens that they are fully capable of managing their personal lives and affairs w/out the heavy hand of government dictating how they should do so.

But I realize... some alleged "conservatives" support Big Government rather than limited government; Conservative Big Government having been such a success these past 7+ years (out-of-control domestic spending, the meddling Schiavo affair, the silly Unlawful Internet Gaming act and, oh yeah, GOP loss of both houses of Congress, and a GOP President w/ the lowest approval ratings in over a generation, to name but a few "successes.")

Come back w/ something stronger next time, boy.

slacker writes:
TH columnists and poseters need to wake up that the reason he won the primaries and will win the election is that he is

a) a very smart and savvy politician who knows how to run a campaign to win. He is well funded and can get is message out on top of all the distrations the opposition will throw at him.

b) the guy with the right message at the right time. People really do want a change after 8 years of Bush incompetency and bungling in the war and on the economy. And his message makes sense to most voters

c) has the proven the ability to build a committed base of supporters he can leverage to reach out to middle class Americans who are longing for real leadership.

He's, also, proven that he is a blithering idiot, when he gets away from his carefully scripted speeches and rallies.

Howee:
Compromise to a lib or moderate is that conservatives surrender all their principles.

What WONDERFUL NEWS!!!!!!
I love this column and all the comments by TH "evangelical" conservatives. It confirms signs that there is no real support for McCain among the "social conservative" or "values based conservatives" who were such a power house for Bush.

There are even some here who seem to be hoping for an Obama presidency that fails to set the stage for a "revival" or their brand of conservatism. How sad, and unpatriotic! Its horrible to think of these embittered "movement" conservatives actively hoping for an American president to fail so they can get back in power on their terms.

This is wonderful news for Obama. Doom and gloom is the wrong message for this time. Obama is the candidate of optimism, patriotism, and commitment to rebuilding America after 8 years of the worst administration in recent history.

That message is why Obama is winning- he is right on the Iraq war, right on how to deal with Iran, right on the economy and tax cuts for the middle class, (almost) right on energy, right on health care. TH columnists and poseters need to wake up that the reason he won the primaries and will win the election is that he is

a) a very smart and savvy politician who knows how to run a campaign to win. He is well funded and can get is message out on top of all the distrations the opposition will throw at him.

b) the guy with the right message at the right time. People really do want a change after 8 years of Bush incompetency and bungling in the war and on the economy. And his message makes sense to most voters

c) has the proven the ability to build a committed base of supporters he can leverage to reach out to middle class Americans who are longing for real leadership.

So it is good news that the most committed part of the republican party is apathetic about their candidate. It bodes well for November.

Howee
....While their concerns are worth considering, their support is welcomed, and they do deserve a place at the table, they need to remember that the table is not theirs alone, that they need to work with and, at times, compromise with those who may ally with them some-to-much of the time.



Spoken like a true....
well, Liberal.

Thank you for your input. It will be taken under advisement. (cough)

BManIII
West Virginians, also, have the honor of having Jay Rockefeller as their Junior Senator.

Gunny & Vic
Gunny:
It could be worse for you - You could be in W. VA and stuck with Sheets "I Luv You" Byrd. Has he stopped crying yet over Teddy?

Is Norman Hsu still alive, Gunny?



And Vic:
It could be worse for you, too. I am in a gerrymandered district also - Clyburns.....



BManIII writes:
Gunny & LJ
But didn't Nancy Peloosi say in 2006 that if the voters elected the dems/socialists in Nov of 2006 that SHE already had a plan in place that would reduce the price of gas THEN.

So WTF happened?

Also, another one of your boys were acquitted yesterday. Senile Jack Murtha can't be too happy about that huh??
HAHAHAHAHAHA

Like another Dem who had a plan for eveything in 2004, she has the plans, she just never says what they are.

"Jilting???"
No, Rush's little brother, McCain hasn't been "jilting" social "cosnervatives; rather he has been seeking to broaden the appeal of the GOP- or at least, his candidacy- beyond that segment of the electorate. For far too long, the social so-called "conservatives" have been the tail trying to wag the entire GOP dog. While their concerns are worth considering, their support is welcomed, and they do deserve a place at the table, they need to remember that the table is not theirs alone, that they need to work with and, at times, compromise with those who may ally with them some-to-much of the time.

Or of course, they can sit on their hands and pout and see how many scraps get sent their way from President Obama.

Gunny & LJ
But didn't Nancy Peloosi say in 2006 that if the voters elected the dems/socialists in Nov of 2006 that SHE already had a plan in place that would reduce the price of gas THEN.

So WTF happened?

Also, another one of your boys were acquitted yesterday. Senile Jack Murtha can't be too happy about that huh??
HAHAHAHAHAHA

Bman/GunnyG
I will probably vote the straight Liberatrian ticket. It is evident that the fix is in and we will get Grahamnasty on the ticket. My congressional district is gerrymandered to a Demo and there is no hope there.

readyk

Dole was 10 times more conseravtive than Mclame, Mclame is not fit to lick the dog poop off of Dole's shoes.

GunnyGwrites:
BmanIII
Agreed. I'll be voting seriously in the local elections for my Reps/Sens although Senator Warner is another senile old RINO and Webb is a whiny libsquirt.

I'm lucky here in Texas. My Senator up for re-election is John Cornyn, and my Rep is Jeb Hensarling, who is a real conservative, deficit hawk.

Gunny: Do you remember when Webb was SECNAV, and tried to go against Reagan on defense matters? Reagan said that his policy was THE policy of the Administration. Webb tried to force the issue. Reagan canned his a$$ so fast he never knew what hit him

McCain's Election to Lose
Mr. Limbaugh is correct, this is McCain's election to lose. McCain is his own worst enemy. Obama's win will be due to stupid people voting in high numbers. Obama is such a lightweight it is amazing he ever got elected to the Senate... there is nothing but air inside him...

BManIII writes:
After that disasterous "speech" in N.C. by Obama the other day any common sense person should be able to see that if he doesn't have all his p's and q's written out for him ahead of time he is just a blundering idiot. The poor ol' fellow - he didn't get enough sleep the night before so he couldn't put a coherent sentence together.

At least GWB can communicate what he wants to say - he may not be able to pronounce some words correctly but at least you know what he is trying to say.

I hope Rush plays those sound bites again today - over and over.

When Obama gets off his carefully prepared, by others, speeches, talking point, and teleprmpters, his inability to think clearly, communicate well, and show his resourcefulness comes through. Not only is he an empty suit, he is, also, an empty head.

BmanIII
Agreed. I'll be voting seriously in the local elections for my Reps/Sens although Senator Warner is another senile old RINO and Webb is a whiny libsquirt.

I wonder how long it'll take before Americans rise up in serious anger over do-nothing crap like the Congcritters are doing with gas. Raising "windfall profits taxes" instead of new refineries? Drilling into the oil companies profits instead of drilling in ANWR?

Of course, they'll pass on the cost to the consumers like any business would, and the Senate can then preen themselves like the parrots they are.

John
Exactly. Delay was on Hannity yesterday talking about how it will take 2-5 years to rebuild the GOP. I say, the h*ll with the GOP and hello to the rise of the American Conservative Party dedicated to the ideals of Burke and the morals and values of pre-1969 liberalized America!

Vic
Cone may be the one from Summerville. Don't remember - don't care. He's on the Demo ticket.

My vote is going to Buddy Witherspoon. Wasn't there a Witherspoon in the old cartoon "The Archies" or something like that?

I agree with Gunny above or I will just skip the whole presidential vote and keep it "local."


After that disasterous "speech" in N.C. by Obama the other day any common sense person should be able to see that if he doesn't have all his p's and q's written out for him ahead of time he is just a blundering idiot. The poor ol' fellow - he didn't get enough sleep the night before so he couldn't put a coherent sentence together.

At least GWB can communicate what he wants to say - he may not be able to pronounce some words correctly but at least you know what he is trying to say.

I hope Rush plays those sound bites again today - over and over.


GunnyG
All the more reason to get out of the U.N. and run them out of the U.S.

McCain is Dole II, not Bush III
The Dems want us to think of McCain as Bush III, which we all know he isn't.
Unfortunately, McCain has too much in common with Senator Dole.
McCain is such a "gentleman" he won't understand what hit him when he goes down in flames.

2 Peas in a Pod
McCain and Obama fail horribly when it comes to Evangelical voters! Obama is willing to talk about his faith, but it is so messed up Evangelicals ignore him! McCain continues to give Evangelicals the finger and this is driving them to vote third party! McCain has a real problem with the Republican base: Evangelicals, NRA, Anti-Amnesty groups, and even many military groups are speaking out against him. He is in real trouble, I hope those wonderful Independents come through for him???

Obama or McCain
The big question is which of these two can do the least harm to our country.If Obama is elected,he will get everything he wants.Anyone that doesn't back him will be labeled racist.If McCain is elected,he will only gey what the left wants him to get.Plus the fact that Obama will get 2 terms.

Vic
Great post at 0917. Me and the missus are writing in Thompson and Hunter. Or maybe, Obomination in order to speed up the coming revolution. Let it be on the lib's heads, not on ours. Although I think the RNC has ceased being a conservative party thanks to the RINOs.

Scare tactics finished
For decades the GOP has treated us like the Demoncrats treat the blacks: "vote for me or the sky will fall in."
Well, enough. Enough of the GOPs broken promises. I am not going to frightened into voting for McCain.
Que sera sera.

BMan
I was number 6 line for the Republicans. They tried to get me to use a Demo ballot because there was more selections on it. hahahahah

So far as of 0900 only about 50 or 60 people total have voted at my precinct. As I said, a stealth election. The other funny thing is the Demo ballot has a Demo not nominated by the party. A guy by tyhe name of Cone who is running on a 3rd party. The Dems said Mclame was their best choice.

Egon

This morning on Fox the Rep strategist said they were going to get the "conservative Democrats". Hahahahaha, they have abandoned conservatives in their own party to go after an imaginary group. I guess when they total up their numbers they can take the square root of a negative number.

Yes, no question : "Republicans deserve
The problem is for the long run, McCain will screw up almost as badly as Obama, he is the lesser of two evils, yet letting the Marxists have their cake (the whole Shebang or enchilada) for 4 years, would most likely end the extreme left's dreams for at least 20 years, one generation.

Republicans deserve defeat
but I shudder at what a President Obama will do to the country. I dislike McCain but my vote will be against Obama not for McCain.

We have a clear picture of the character and beliefs of Obama. Given that so much is characterlogical, more gaffes and revelations will appear before the election in November. I am counting on that. McCain will be the lesser of the evils.

Republican Disaster
Dear friends,

there is an old saying in German that goes like this :

"Besser ein Schrecken mit Ende als ein Schrecken ohne Ende"..

which roughly means "It's better to have a frightful end than fright without end"...

or, as they say in the Midwest " Cut the dog's tail behind the ears"...

McCain, in my humble opinion, will cause almost as many problems as Obama, and the results of his Presidency could keep conservatives out of power for decades ahead by stringing out the pain for 4 or (God forbid) 8 years.
His campaign seems to be a pathetic exercise in futility, passive, liberal and of course, semi-broke with a seemingly incompetent management while pandering to ghosts of what they believe to be their "constituency" - the "moderate liberals".

On the other hand, I believe Obama will cause so many outrageous problems on short notice that, after 4 years America will be anxious to vote in true conservatives, thus keeping the Marxists (Democrats) out of power for possibly a long time no matter what our Marxist media would do. Ann Coulter may have had a point.

Since the Republican Party has abandoned us conservatives with insult, I have, after almost 50 years of loyally voting Republican, decided to skip the coming election as I find it impossible to justify my conscience by voting Republican at the present time.
Ever wonder if most of our politicians were born certifiably stupid or did they acquire this condition through our collectivized educational system ?

It does look like the Republican Party this year will experience the worst defeat in American history.

Wishing you all well,

Impeachment!
If Obama is elected, I can visualize an impeachment against him, for his possible marxist actions. I am not so sure that McCain will hold up physically or mentally(senility) for the election. And please get over this abortion crap...it is not going away. Some of us conservatives believe anyone raped should be allowed an abortion or anyone under 18.

Vic
Happy Hot Voting...


And remember - Vote early and vote often.

Bman
I guess I'll have to take a few minutes to run down the street to vote against McShame's B-boy before it gets too hot. It was 102°F here yesterday and 104°F Sun. (As mesured by my two digital thermometers in the shade on the North side of the house.)

I'll be back in a short-short.

Tom Delay
Yesterday RealClearPolitics.com posted an interview with Tom Delay. Delay believes it will take years to rebuild the GOP. He commented that he's been trying to reach out and organize conservatives, and "most of them" are in their silos. They are not organized, and no communicating with each other. At the same time, he said he was voting for McCain - but that his wife was voting for Barr. And he further commented that he was not certain whether or not it would be better for the GOP for Obama to win, or for McCain to win. He's thinking, obviously, like many conservatives are thinking - which is that an Obama presidency is more likely to unite the conservatives, than a McCain presidency. And there is the dilemma. Those that want the GOP to return to its conservative roots, fear McCain more than they do Obama.

SSGT
morning to you too...

...Did you see "who???" is now in whoville!!!! Never to be seen again on this thread!




I can assure you, my heart is bleeding as I type this....


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

BmanIII
morning Hombre!
Did you see "who???" is now in whoville!!!! Never to be seen again on this thread!

Vic
Page not found here too...


I have only seen ONE ad for Grahamnasty and guess who is endorsing him based on his "proven conservative values, yadda, yadda, yadda?"

The one and only John McNasty of course.

Unfortunately, this "bigot," as I was called by Mrs. Lindsay, will NOT be voting for him.

Maybe he can get the other 13 to vote for him. ("Gang of 14" minus him)

Vic
The primaries......

Bman
I see, a stealth primary for Senate. Grahamnasty doesn't want anyone to know about it. It hasn't been in any of the papers around here.

And this is the 3rd time I have tried to post this. I keep getting the dreaded "page not found" error message.

David
writes:
"As Family Research Council President Tony Perkins ominously noted, "For John McCain to be competitive, he has to connect with the base to the point that they're intense enough that they're contagious. Right now, they're not even coughing."

Its actually more like gagging!!!!!!

Bman
What Vote???? There is no vote today????

Vic - I hope you see this....
(Off subject)


I hope you are getting ready to go vote AGAINST the "Former" Sen. Lindsay "McCain" Graham today as I will have to wait until this afternoon.


Chainsaw
...
Subject: Do not engage him
19 of 66 posts by the same person.

He baits you and pulls you into his world where he enjoys the spotlight.




WHO??????????

The 500 lb gorilla!!
How, in the name of God, (indeed), can any Christian even consider voting for Obama??? --- He voted AGAINST the ban on the barbaric Partial-birth Abortion. AND, as if that weren't enough, he voted to DENY life-support to a baby born alive despite a failed abortion (the Born-alive Infants Act.
I never thought I would see a candidate who was actually MORE pro-abortion than Hillary, but here he is!!
Obama's inexcusable stand on Life is the 500 lb gorilla. No true Christian can bring themselves to vote for that. They'll do what I'm going to do ---- hold their nose & vote for McCain.

Do not engage him
19 of 66 posts by the same person.

He baits you and pulls you into his world where he enjoys the spotlight.

CHRISTIAN VOTERS
Anyone considering voting for Obama or McCain based on what they are saying in the campaign or say up to election day, I ask you to recall scripture. By their deeds ye shall know them. Look at what they have done in the past for what you can expect if they are elected. This is why I do not find McCain credible on conservative issues that he now espouses. This goes double for anything Obama says.

John Kasich for Vice President
Want a real conservative backing up John McCain.
Take a look at John Kasich.

He is a proven budget hawk by balancing the budget in Congress
He was instrumental in welfare reform
He would bring Ohio and Pennsylvania to the table
He has been studying taxation, health care, manufacturing and a host of other ills we need fixing.
He is young enough AND experienced
He is Christian
He believes in limited governement
He has gain executive experience since leaving Congress

Please google him if your memory hasn't been triggered by now.

We need limited government for Virginia. What does your State need?

Lisa

PS: I support Senator McCain and we need his back up man fully capable of getting the job done if McCain would but let him do what he is good at.

George Will: Obama will crush McCain

Is George Will right?

HOTAIR-If, that is, he can mobilize turnout among blacks and young voters in the general election (and why wouldn’t/couldn’t he?). Two clips here, the first the bad news and the second the “good” news as Pat Buchanan fantasizes about the rise of a new conservative movement from the ashes of the Democrats’ victory and inevitable mismanagement. Let’s hope this new generation of paleocons remembers to put the blame for World War II on whom it belongs, i.e. Winston Churchill.

watch

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/george-will-obama- will-crush-mccain

Robert
You wrote:

to pay for all the wars you folks want. The right wing...loves war; but wont fight in them and wont pay for them.

Dont you feel really great passing the cost of the war you wanted off to future generations!

Military expenditures account for a mere 7% of the nation's budget. See your fellow socialists for the bulk of our nation's outlay - Socialist Security, Medicare, and Medicaid if you want to talk about paying for something. We spent over $1 Trillion dollars on these three wealth redistribution schemes while spending half of that on defense. By the way, of these four expenditures, only defense is constitutional, but you socialists have no use for that document.

Or maybe you should see your fellow socialists about sending the public "stimulus" checks under the guise of helping the economy after borrowing the money - with enormous interest - from the Chicoms...

You can create straw men all you want and call conservatives crazy, but your baseless rantings wilt considerably when placed next to a well-stated conservative position. Beat it hippy...

taking "values voters" for granted
McCain appears to be doing just that. It may backfire on him.

Are you sure that we can't change our nominee and select Mitt Romney as the Candidate for President? :-)

Great article David Limbaugh.. *****

Okay, make that 60
A thread of 60 Posts, including this one, will shortly become a thread of 41 posts.

It's comforting to know
That a thread of 57 posts, 58 including this one, will be reduced by the deletion of the 19 posts made by an arrogant know nothing who vainly thinks he knows more than everyone else here combined, and HAS TO BE the center of attention no matter what the topic, in a matter of hours.

Bye Bye Wobbies posts.

Stupidest on earth
Just watched so-called Republican and Democrap “strategists” on Glenn Beck discussing dissatisfied voters. The Republicrat strategist thinks that McLame will get the “conservative Democrats”. The Democrap strategist thinks O’Vomisiah will get the evangelicals.

I swear, these people are either the stupidest individuals on earth or they are the biggest liars.

new Obama Parody
my blog. Elvira...er...Obama. enjoy.

Agree somewhat
Yes, I agree he has alienated the normal conservative base. He also has disparaged those who fully embrace religion. I hesitate to call them the “Christian right” or “Christian conservatives”. Those are terms made up by the MSM and I don’t think they are really applicable. Especially given the fact that the major reason that McLame got the nomination via the Republican arcane rules is a Christian leftist, Huckabee.

Mclame should be losing by a wide margin but so far this election has been a contest to see which candidate can out-sorry the other. My feeling is that the overwhelming majority of the real voters are dissatisfied on both sides of the aisle, media hype for the O’Vomisiah not withstanding.

Principles
For the poster from Washington. I can believe that you think conservatives should ignore our principles and "make nice" with Senator McCain. But, some of us have principle and