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Tuesday, June 03, 2008
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama's Unity Charade
by David Limbaugh
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The $64 million question is how long Barack Obama can carry forward this ruse that he is a uniter, when he has placed himself in a climate that is, at the very least, quite accommodating to an anti-white racist perspective, vulgarity and anti-Americanism. How many more shoes can drop without Obama's presidential quest completely imploding?

It strained credulity that Obama could have been unaware of the toxic environment of his Trinity United Church of Christ and its pastor, Jeremiah Wright. Actually, that didn't pass the laugh test.

But now we have the Rev. Michael Pfleger bursting on the scene -- the scene being the now-infamous Trinity Church -- and spewing the most offensive, racially charged remarks imaginable.

Truly, if Obama weren't the protected darling of the mainstream media and if the Democrats were not horrified of losing their monopolistic hold on the African-American vote, superdelegates would abandon Obama in stampedes -- yesterday.

Have you watched the video of the Rev. Pfleger's racist bilge before Obama's former congregation? Just as importantly, did you witness the approving reaction of the congregation? After all, as I said at the time the Rev. Jeremiah Wright tapes surfaced, what was as disturbing as Wright's tirades was the congregation's approving reaction.

It is indeed laughable for Obama to have maintained the charade that he sat in a church for 20 years and came away unaware of the vicious propensities of his pastor. But it's laughable on stilts that he could have also been unaware that his fellow congregants were receptive to these messages.

Listen to how the new pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, the Rev. Otis Moss III, introduced the Rev. Pfleger the day Pfleger unleashed his vitriol to the pastor's welcoming congregation: "He needs no introduction. He is a friend of Trinity; he is a brother beloved; he's a preacher par excellence; he is a prophetic, powerful pulpiteer; he is our friend; he is our brother; he is none other than Father Michael Pfleger. We welcome him once again."

Now listen to what this preacher par excellence, friend and brother of Barack Obama's former church went on to say, and tell me with a straight face this episode and Jeremiah Wright's outbursts -- coupled with Barack Obama's longtime membership in this church -- wouldn't have already disqualified any other presidential candidate in recent memory:

"We must be honest enough to address the one who says, 'Don't hold me responsible for what my ancestors did.' But you have enjoyed the benefits of what your ancestors did! And unless you are ready to give up the benefits, throw away your 401 fund, throw away your trust fund, throw away all the money that's been put away in the company you walked into 'cause your daddy and your granddaddy and your great-granddaddy Unless you're willing to give up the benefits, then you must be responsible for what was done in your generation 'cause you are the beneficiary of this insurance policy! We must be honest enough to expose white entitlement and supremacy wherever it raises its head."

Next Pfleger said he believed Hillary Clinton was sincere when she cried publicly a while back: "I really believe that she just always thought, 'This is mine. I'm Bill's wife. I'm white, and this is mine. I just gotta get up and step into the plate.' And then out of nowhere," said Pfleger, "came Barack Obama." Then Pfleger imitates Hillary saying or thinking, "'Oh, damn! Where did you come from? I'm white! I'm entitled! There's a black man stealing my show!'" Pfleger then said, "She wasn't the only one crying. There was a whole lot of white people crying."

Through it all, many congregants were standing, clapping, whistling and yelling out their approval.

And what did the Rev. Moss say when he came back up to the pulpit after exchanging another hug with Pfleger? "We thank God for the message, and we thank God for the messenger. We thank God for Father Michael Pfleger."

Can you imagine what Democrats must be thinking after seeing this same theme surface over and over in Obama's orbit? Can you blame Hillary Clinton for continuing to remain in a race against an opponent who brings more politically fatal baggage to his candidacy with each passing day and whom she has beaten soundly during the past several months?

Obama's public decision to break from this church after all this time is an absurdly inadequate response to stanch the bleeding of his candidacy.

Please forget for a moment Obama's inexperience and the flaws in his policy positions across the board. You may reasonably disagree with me about those things. But please explain, in view of the ongoing revelations about his associations, how Obama hasn't lost all credibility to present himself as one who could unify this nation.

I just don't get it.

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Whatever Obama Is...
...he is definitely no uniter. And he will never be POTUS. America is ready for a white/black/brown/yellow/male/female/young/old and maybe even a Mormon president. But no Joe Sixpack patriotic American of either party is going to vote for a guy whose pastors scream "God d. America" and "America is the greatest sin against God."

The anti-American MSM and lefist academia blew it with Obama. Can anything good come out of Chicago? Apparently not.

If any uniting is to be accomplished, it will be done by the flawed but grandfatherly old war hero who loves his country.

B-HO
With this guy's true character surfacing a little more everyday, it seems likely that we can dodge the bullit again as we did in 2000 and 2004 when Americans rejected two other phony con men for the presidency. It was very close but, we squeaked by. I'm old enough to remember and I'm sure that we can't survive another idiot like Jimmeh Cotta with an idiot democrat congress to boot. They very nearly destroyed our country then, and thank God for Ronald Reagan who restored our economy, our military and our national pride from Cotta's "malaise."

Obama's lead
Most of the primaries Obama won were before the Michelle/Wright/Airy/Pfleger skeletons came tumbling out of his closet. If the primaries were run again, now that we know more about Obama, Hillary would win in a walk.

I expect Hillary to say, quite correctly, that the nomination is not over until the fat lady sings at the Dem Convention. All delegates, super or not, are entitled to change their minds up until the final vote. If that were not true, we could not have had, at many previous conventions, multiple rounds of voting until a majority appeared.

Whatever the nominal delegate count may be this week, Hillary is absolutely entitled to claim that she will be nominated at the convention, and thus to start a general election campaign in parallel with Obama. This would of course mean that the backbiting would continue all summer. If the party tried to stop her, she could threaten that she would run as an independent, thus guaranteeing that McCain would win.

I predict that the Dems will solve this problem this week by saying that both Hillary and Obama are nominated to the presidential ticket, and that which of them will be nominated for President and which for VP will be determined at the convention. Thus the two of them should join together in a unified campaign.

I don't think this would prevent the conflict between them, but it might drive it behind the scenes and off the front pages.

Two people sat in that pew together
The anti-American racist, Michelle also listened and reinforced her biased thinking.

It is a bold faced lie that BO says he did not know or was not there. What I cannot understand is what kind of folks keep pushing him on. He does draw the crowds.
Don Jones
MyManJohn.com

Obama is a fake...
and I am so glad the other shoe has dropped! Still his supporters can't see past his skin color and his auditory skills. These events have been tried before look at Mussolini's rise to power..he had catch phrases and no set ideas on how to run a country and now it is being repeated in our country...sad days are ahead of us if this man wins the election which i don't believe he will...there are not enough black or hispanics people to vote for him. Also his wife scares me more than him, she is the puppeteer pulling many of the strings attached to Obama..

We are royally screwed
No matter who wins the elections our mounting problems will only grow.
Education : Our schools are churning out brow beaten, brainwashed MArxist robots who can't read, write nor figure out simple arithmetics.
Immigration - Demographic disaster well on its' way towards "change"...to Banana Republic.
Energy : No hope there either, Independence ? Now that's a pathetic joke!
Agriculture : Our farmers are throwing in the towel by the dozens, this in spite of numbingly idiotic subsidies, the main reason ? Excessive REGULATIONS - expect to pay far more for food in the coming year (s)- Remember, the principal cost in producing grains is PETROLEUM.


The number
of votes Obama gets will tell us how many morons there are in this country.
I have talked to several Obama lovers and their stupidity scares me to death.

These people should not be allowed to produce children.

As Rev Wright
would say, "Not God Bless America, God D*MN America."

Like Hitler, Obambi is telling where he is coming from but the kool-aid drinkers ain't listening.

CHECK OUT the Anti Liberal Zone today. OPEN FORUM and a QUESTION of the DAY posted. I'm on the road but checking in as I can.

Unlike Wobbie and Hal [HIC!] Drunkahue, I'm actually AT a conference.

pandm/Egon
both of your post were right on! I know a couple of Obambi fans also. I steer clear from them cause I'm afraid of blowing my top! What Boutty-call fails to see, is the flip side to his arguement. When its just Obambi and McLame, Obambi will have no place to hide from the attacks anymore! I can't wait to see him fall.

Boutte opines:
"These preacher eruptions cut very little ice with real American voters worried about real concerns--"
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Boutte relies on a poll taken just prior to any real press on this latest incident with Father Pfleger - and also during a time when the preponderance of media coverage is on "When Will Hillary Quit?".

Meanwhile, McCain has been ratcheting up his campaign with direct challenges to Obama's policies.

It will be interesting to check the polls again in a week or so to see if "real" American voters are beginning to change their minds about this empty suit.

boutte
America is terrible....God D@#M America. Americans are the worst people in the world. America never does anything Wright......
There Boutte do you feel better now......

The eloquence of Obama aaahh eeeh!
I don't get it, if the man doesn't have a script in front of him, he cannot speak, he stumbles and aahhs and eeehhs and is a complete fool, how will he represent us in foreign countries, how will an interpreter be able to interpret all that gibberish? Is this who we want to send out to the nations, someone who needs to read what someone else has written for him, he certainly cannot speak on his feet, he seems to put his big foot in his mouth, or maybe he will take one of his favorite Reverends with him.

Now since Obama just
abandoned a church he was devoted to and pledged to for 20 years and defended for months and donated $20,000 to last year because it was politically inconvenient,

how many campaign pledges and promises can anyone expect him to keep?

His *change* is his ability to *change his mind.*

The problem
as I see it, is that most Americans do not read Town Hall or even look at any news in depth. They see a few headline clips from the nightly news, and they believe whatever their local anchor person tells them.

If the local anchor says Barack Obama is the favorite, then everyone thinks he must be the best.

I never cease to be amazed (and horrified) at the incredible ignorance of most people when it comes to things political. It's laziness pure and simple. People would rather be entertained with American Idol or Desperate Housewives than to take five minutes to try and understand what is going on with their own country.

One day they will wake up; when it's too late and they'll all cry "How did this happen? Why didn't someone tell us!"

Obama's followers remind me
of an episode of "Judging Amy".

Amy's mother Maxine was a social worker charged with helping a young man who was in the hospital because he was injured or sick or something. He was also a drug addict and was going thru withdrawal. He was extremely hateful and was spitting on Maxine while she was trying to help him. She said "How can I help you?" He said "Make drugs legal and money free!"

This is the sort of pie-in-the-sky illogical thinking we get from libs. They think Obama is going to make everyone rich and money free. He's going to fix everything that is wrong with life and make all things fair for everyone.

It's too bad we all have to live in the real world. Maybe if Obama wins it will help America to grow up and stop believing in the tooth fairy when they see he is not able to live up to their expectations.

I won't explode if McCain is pres.
Robert, you are beaming from another planet, again.

But to those posters who seem to think Obama's membership in the Trinity Church is irrelevant--

here is a man who was a church member for 20 years, donated $20,000 to it last year, had spent three months defending its minister and his family's association, and then JUST ABANDONS HIS BELOVED PASTOR AND THE ENTIRE CHURCH FOR POLITICAL EXPENDIENCY.

If Obama can so easily cast away a part of his life that influenced him for 20 years, helped start his political career, a place where he was married and his children baptized, how can anyone believe any promise or anything else he says?

I wouldn't be surprised if he divorced Michelle before the Nov. election if he thought casting her off would get him elected.

The man is a liar, fraud, Marxist Manchurian candidate, neophyte, and poseur.

With luck he will do worse than McGovern, give the Reps. back a Sen. majority, and even up the House.

and the superdelegates?
they know the party's already in too deep with Barack and fear riots in the streets should they abandon him

here it goes
I believe it is a "movement" by and for black and young people to voice rebel opinions based on emotion not facts. This fueled by wealthy supporters who stand to clean up under this liberal presidency. I also believe this 2 year senator has been groomed and pushed by whatever means available in the region from which he came to rise to this position for this very reason.
There is no more to Obama than we see when he has no prepared speech except the radical views he holds with his closest friends and affiliates. There is a powerful and well organized group behind this "movement" maker.

Super Delagates
B-HO has the nomination if for no reason other than the party. The party cares little if he is able to carry the POTUS election. If he is on the top of the ticket then A-Americans will vote in numbers never before seen. 90-95% of these votes will vote Democrat and sweep into office more liberals than you can shake a stick at. They will have increased state and local power with the ideal situation of having McCain at the top. They will have all of the power and take none of the responsibility. For a liberal politician this is THE perfect scenario. They do not want the top spot this time around, they just do not want to risk ticking off the AA voters across the country. It is for this reason that all of the "supers" are going for BHO and he will have the nomination.

King Oneway
"All of this does not change the fact that McCain will not be able to distance himself enough from Bush's failed war policies and will be re-branded as Bush3. McCain is already in a box-81% of the country thinks we're headed in the wrong direction."

Read any NYTimes articles lately, one-way? They put a pretty giddy spin on the War in Iraq! Figures it wouldn't pass your puny one-way pea-brain!

Hussein Obama as a "Unifier"
If Hussein Obama is a "Unifier" then so were Hitler, Tojo,and Stalin. Should we re-incarnate them for the Democrat 2008 slate?

Robert
The only "tea" you and your ilk are drinking is the orange flavored stuff called kool-aid.


GunnyG
hows it amigo?

I am so pleased
the longer this campaign goes on, the lower Obama's approval ratings go. If he had been fully vetted and not been treated in such a biased way by the msm, he would never had made it this far and Hillary would have been the nominee. She would have been harder to beat.

He cannot be a uniter as long as his history has been with angry, America hating (not just critical) radicals. He cannot be a uniter or a leader when he voted "present" 100 times in the Illinois senate. He can not be a uniter if he has no record of joining those trying to cross party lines (like the gang of 14). He cannot be a uniter when he fails to comdemn the angry, white hating philosophy of his church.(He can do this while still approving of their charitable causes.)

If the buzz is true there is a Michelle Obama racist video coming out within the next week, he is really done for.

GunnyG©
This is HILARIOUS!

As quickly as "Fraud Robert" posts, Townhall is booting him.

I wonder how many "newbies" come here and wonder who this "Robert" fellow is?

I've asked him a few times if he's still willing to boast that Townhall won't send him away permanently.

He won't even answer...

I guess when one is so used to "winning" (ha, ha), the way to avoid a loss is to pretend one isn't even in the game.

Primus: he seems to be posting less and

less since he knows he's being "tracked."


Not Important?
So a few posters think that racism is not important. That we can just ignore racist rantings because there are more important things in this society than all people being considered equal? And that African Americans are immune to racism. They have been so serverly wronged in the past that they simply could not be racist.

How sad! What could be more important than equality for all. What could be more wrong that ignoring racism.

Are there any
thinking grass roots democrats left? Why would anyone with half a brain bother to vote in the primaries when it's obvious their vote isn't
important enough to matter, just the votes of the so called super delegates, the proverbial party hacks? It's bad enough we have had the party hacks push McCain on us, inspite of the story of his approaching the democrats in Congress offering to caucus with them.
If this country isn't under the wrath of God
I don't know when it will be; unless we wake up
it's gonna be a rough ride regardless. If, and it's a big IF I decide to vote McCain, like many others it won't be for him but against Obama..it's a case of Arsenic or Cyanide; at least with Arsenic you might have a chance to recover.
As a committed Christian, I take issue with Obama's assertion of his being fairly a conventional Christian. He hasn't a clue, if the pastors he's heard preach are the hate spewers like Wright, Moss and Pfleger, AND
the congregations cheering them on reflect his
conception of Christianity. He has a form of religion but denies the power and worshipping another Jesus.

Obama Quits to Save Church
Obama says he is resigning from his church because of the constant invasion of these people at worship. Did he not notice the laughing, clapping, and dancing at the Priests remarks, just like they did for his Pastor Wright. They obviously approved of Anti-American remarks and the put down of Hillary. Real Americans?
Question for Obama, did he laugh, clap and dace too???

Obama & polls
Wouldn't be interesting if some pollster would show up in Iowa Play some of those tapes,then ask is this man qualified to be POTUS? His numbers wouldn't be very high.If the dems wanted him so bad why didn't the super delegates all come out for him,since he has always been the anointed one.

LIMBAUGH IS RIGHT
The nasty underbelly of this whole story is the reaction of the members of TUCC. Having visited there before, and as a Black man, I will tell all of you that if you think that reaction was intense (and these were church going people), try walking the streets of the south side of Chicago and mentioning the name of George Bush. We have a long way to go my friends.

Robert Scribbles:
got to go helo awaits.

I guess the Wal-Mart Helicopter ride finally got fixed, and many quarters are available.

M Sederoff (#17) Excellent!
"Make drugs legal and money free!... pie-in-the-sky illogical thinking we get from libs."

Actually, it really is more the "drug addict and was going thru withdrawal" illogical mentality.

Lumberjack7392
You're correct - and apparently WalMart sells grape snow cones, as well.

It must take some getting used to having one's watch set at "Baghdad time", yet live in Mountain Daylight Time.

Talk about having permanent "jet-lag"!

Polls
jax33
Sadly Iowa will go to BHO in Nov. It makes me sick to know this.The insanity of the support he is getting amazes me. I didn't know Iowa had so many Sheeple.I have always taken to heart our state motto. "Our liberty we prize,Our rights we will maintain" Just so sad.

kittie

King one-way
OKAY, you wanna play. Lets play: Part One

BAGHDAD — Approximately 1,000 Iraqi citizens, of both Shia and Sunni religions, joined together on the sectarian fault line in Rawaniyah, the Karkh District of Baghdad, to march with one another in what they called a “Peace March”, Dec. 19.
It was an Iraqi initiative to ease sectarian tensions, solely driven by Iraqi Neighborhood Council (NAC) and District Advisory Council (DAC) leaders and Sheiks from both religious sects in the area, said Capt. Marcus Melton, commander of Pale Horse Troop, 4th Squadron, 2nd Stryker Cavalry Regiment, attached to the 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault).

With Iraqi Army and Iraqi policemen maintaining the security on the streets and within the crowd during the event, they were able to successfully complete the march for united peace among all Iraqis.

Drums beat, children ran, silly string littered the air and one man nearly wept. It was an exciting, yet emotional day for the Iraqis who participated.

A local Sheik came over a loud speaker during the march to talk with his local comrades. He expressed his joy for their wanted peace, but nearly wept in the thought of those who have lost their lives in the battle for sectarian dominance. Many families, friends and sons have lost their lives during this time.


Primus54
Didn't I tell you that RJS was like malaria? Once you get it you never get rid of it. Or maybe he is like amoebic dysentery, same thing happens, once you get it, it really never goes away. (And i know from personal experience.)

King
Part two:

“If the neighborhoods come together and start really working together at the NAC and DAC levels without sectarian issues, the government will become much more efficient and more self-sustaining,” Melton said. “Same thing on the security front in terms of the Iraqi Army and the Iraqi Police being trusted by the community and being able to secure the community--both of which are positive things for us, which will allow us to transition out of a more direct role into more of an over-watch role.”

Melton, who is in his second tour in Baghdad, said “I know they are moving forward and making progress. Certainly they have issues and problems and growing pains, but they have made a tremendous amount of progress.”

One Iraqi boy, Omar, 11, said because of the continued peace in his homeland, he came to celebrate with his fellow Iraqis.

Awass, with the Iraqi flag draped over his body, carried himself with much enthusiasm and excitement in his journey in Karkh.


King
Part three:

He said the flag—one he is very proud to display— describes his great country. “Red is for the blood shed. White is for our handshake. Green is for their land, and Black is for their oil,” he said.

“We thank our God, our families and our friends that our neighborhood is safe and free of Violence,” an Iraqi man who participated in the march said.

They marched for their peace, for their friends and for their brothers, said the Sheik. “Today we march for us being brothers forever.”


KING heres more
Ordinary Iraqis Wage a Successful Battle Against Insurgents
By ROBERT F. WORTH

Published: March 22, 2005


BAGHDAD, Iraq, March 22 - Ordinary Iraqis rarely strike back at the insurgents who terrorize their country. But just before noon today, a carpenter named Dhia saw a troop of masked gunmen with grenades coming towards his shop and decided he had had enough.

As the gunmen emerged from their cars, Dhia and his young relatives shouldered their own AK-47's and opened fire, police and witnesses said. In the fierce gun battle that followed, three of the insurgents were killed, and the rest fled just after the police arrived. Two of Dhia's young nephews and a bystander were injured, the police said.


"We attacked them before they attacked us," Dhia, 35, his face still contorted with rage and excitement, said in a brief exchange at his shop a few hours after the battle. He did not give his last name. "We killed three of those who call themselves the mujahedeen. I am waiting for the rest of them to come and we will show them."


Obama--Race Hustler
Obama is just another Race Hustler. He may present a 'kinder-gentler' version to the TV cameras, but a Race Hustler all the same. The difference in this Big Time Race Hustler though, that separates him from those who are out there and have been out there, such as Jesse Jackson, Farakhan, Sharpton, his Pastor, Rev. Wright, and tohers is that OBAMA is trying to Hustle His Way Into The White House. Americans, black and white, better open their eyes and minds and start Voting with Their Minds and not on Skin color. Anyother candidate with Obama's equal credentials would not even be in this conversation right now. He is there because the Race Hustling Media with Media stars such as another Race Hustler, Oprah Winfrey hustling him on that idiotic program of hers. Wake Up America--Don't vote for this Dangerous Idiot.

jerome ennis in Alabama

KING huh?
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Iraqi security forces battle the Mahdi Army
By Bill RoggioMarch 26, 2008 8:10 AM



BAGHDAD, IRAQ: The cease-fire extension issued by Muqtada al Sadr, the leader of the Iranian-backed Mahdi Army, appears to be in jeopardy after the Iraqi government has launched an offensive against the Shia terror group in the southern city of Basrah. Dubbed Operation Knights' Assault, Iraqi security forces have gone on the offensive to wrest control of the strategic oil hub and Iraq's second largest city from Mahdi Army control. The fighting has spread to Baghdad and the southern provinces.

Knights' Assault is an Iraqi-led operation and was ordered directly by Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki, who is in Basrah to direct the operation along with Interior Minister Jawad Bolani. Basrah has seen an uptick in Iranian-backed terror activity since the British withdrew from the city late last year. Political assassinations and intimidation campaigns have been on the rise as the Iranians work to extend their influence in the oil-rich city.

At least 18 Iraqis were killed, including three policemen, and more than 100 were wounded in fighting in the southern city on Tuesday, as Iraqi troops advance to clear neighborhoods controlled by the Mahdi Army. Fighting is reported to have broken out in Baghdad and Al Kut in Wasit province. Curfews have been imposed in Karbala, Wasit, Babil, Diwaniyah, Nasiriyah, and Basrah after fighting between the Mahdi Army and Iraqi security forces broke out in the South.


King one-way
wanna keep playin?

Linking Obama to Wright didnt work..
evidently you right wingers were not paying attention to the 3 special election that republicans LOST in districts that were reliably THEIRS. And they did so while using a strategy of linking the dem candidates to Democratic PREZ CANDIDATE Sen. Obama to the controversial Rev. Wright of Trinity Church.

The strategy BACKFIRED and Dems won because the electorate in all three elections IGNORED the RNC negative ads and focused on the issues at hand and were IMPORTANT TO THEM.

Let the repubs/cons like Limbaugh continue to try this failed strategy of character assasination and guilt by association..it didnt work in those special elections and it wont work in the general election. The american people are a lot SMARTER that the repus/cons like limbaugh think they are.

King Liberal
Since Hillary and Bill, the first black President, have played the race card so forcefully, do you expect Hillary's minions to support Obama? After black Dems have worshipped at their feet, do you feel betrayed?

King one-way
NYT's, NY Sun, CNN.

See, the difference between you and me, is the fact that I listen to all sides of this issue, where you have one view, and one view only. Sanchez had his opions, right or wrong. Patraeus also has his views, right or wrong. I have acknowledged in the past that there were things that were improperly done in this war. You, on the other hand, FLAUNT you BDS and refuse to see any good coming out of it. Who gets the "F" for closed mindedness? I think you do, one-way!
And for every report from your negative side, I can produce a positive one to counter. Your debating skills fall way short.

A Choice I can Live With
It troubles me that so many otherwise intelligent people buy into Obama’s lack of substance, his hypocrisy, and his racially-based disdain for white conservatives. He is running on a hate platform all dressed up with smiles and smug superiority. I can only hope that there are people who will come to realize before their votes are cast in November the tremendous damage that he would do to our country and perhaps even to the world, especially if he emasculates our military as he has vowed to do in not-so-subtle references to cutting back on funding for new weapons systems, etc. Starry-eyed 20 year olds and dyed in the wool liberals have no idea of what their dream candidate would produce.

On the other hand, strongly principled and thinking conservatives will find it extremely difficult to vote for McCain. McCain is an appeaser of Democrats, of that there can be no question. However, he is not an appeaser of terrorists. Conservatives who refuse to vote for McCain may in fact be right, dead right, and that will bring little consolation.

McCain is in many ways politically a Democratic of 40 years ago, without the defeatist mentality that eroded our will to win in Vietnam—a war initiated by the way under Democratic administrations even though Nixon, who brought things to a close, in liberals’ minds somehow has come to own that war. Liberals never seem to have much trouble in rewriting or ignoring history and teaching revisionist history to impressionable young minds.

I can live with a man like McCain who holds 40-year-old Democratic philosophies much easier than I can a present-day Democrat like Obama who is a committed socialist and filled with hatred for what America has stood for and accomplished. Am I happy with my choice? No, but the alternative is suicidal pride that keeps me out of the voting booth.

chainsaw: a response
" I can only hope that there are people who will come to realize before their votes are cast in November the tremendous damage that he
(obama) would do to our country and perhaps even to the world."

can you give a concise statement as to exacty what Sen. Obama would do to damage the u.s. and the world?


you also stated:

"Obama who is a committed socialist and filled with hatred for what America has stood for and accomplished."

So youre saying that Sen. Obama is running for potus so he can infiltrate it with like minded haters of america to destroy it from within?

yes or no?

Ssgt-Anne-GunnyG-Primus-LJ7392
Name something about Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama that IS NOT a CHARADE! Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama’s Voting Record and Associations BELIE his FLOWERY PLATITUDES! Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama is HEMMORAGING voters and all The Kool-Aid Swilling, Liberal, Dimwits do is say,” He voted against Iraq! LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA! I can’t hear you!” What a Bunch of Morons!

M: (#24) Exactly Spot On!

"If Hussein Obama is a "Unifier" then so were Hitler, Tojo,and Stalin."

And don't forget Marx!

Every word of "change" and "unite" that comes out of Hussein Obama's mouth is right out of the Marxist Handbook!

Many of his "associations" for the past 20+ years has been with people of question...

Harriet Christian was right when she named Obama as "incompetent." Our hope is that Harriet is correct when she said that McCain will be our next president... and those words from a life long democrat!


Left Angle:
Just what does Obama stand for, other than the idea that the Federal Government can solve all of our problems, if it is just given enough tax money, bureaucrats, and regulations?

new Obama parody
my blog. Find your smile while we still have the freedom to do so.

King Lib
So, if Patreaus says the surge is working, but Sanchez says it isn't, who are you going to believe?

King Liberal, you may want to google ...
"Bradley effect". I live here in KY where the Dems are as racist as the day is long. Sure, they're liberal, but not liberal enough to vote for a "darkie" which I actully heard a Dem say. You libs just crack me up!

King
I guess you did not read the articles that I posted. If you did, then your comprehension of said article, is lacking greatly.
Iraqi security forces have engaged the madhi army and basically destroyed it during the cease fire. What are you paying attention too, besides nothing?
Oh, and my General, that Patraeus guy thinks things are moving along pretty well right now. Are you gonna believe him, or are you one of the "General Betrayus" folks?

Lumberjack7392: (#57) I can answer that!

"Just what does Obama stand for, other than the idea that the Federal Government can solve all of our problems, if it is just given enough tax money, bureaucrats, and regulations?"

NOTHING! ZERO! NADA! ZIP!

Lotta good Bozo Hussein Obama's education was!

King one-way
Sadr is well aware of the deep frustration and anger among Madhi Army fighters who fought Iraqi and US forces to a standstill in Basra and the suburbs of Baghdad, only to be ordered off the streets by the cleric on March 30. Far from ending the fighting, the deal struck between Sadrist leaders and the government enabled the US and Iraqi security forces to regroup and consolidate their positions after their initial offensive into Basra, launched on March 24, collapsed.

In Basra, Iraqi forces claimed to have seized the last major Sadrist stronghold—the district of Hayaniyah—on Saturday. The operation began at 6 a.m. with US warplanes and British artillery blasting the area in what was described as “a demonstration of the firepower available, if required,” according to a British military spokesman. Clashes erupted as Iraqi soldiers, bolstered by US and British advisers, entered the suburb. The Scotsman reported up to a dozen people dead and 130 wounded.

Sounds pretty grim for us huh? ha ha ha

chainsaw
A little prompting for you;
On top of Obama wanting to surrender to al-Qaeda;

Obama's plan to end World Poverty.
http://capwiz.com/sicminc/issues/alert/?alertid=11014611&ty pe=CO

Obama's plan for our National Defense.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/interventionism_obam astyle.html

Obama's idea of National Unity.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=E97F026 F-20B0-4F54-AC15-1B62D618E87C

And Obama wants to negotiate peace terms with Muslims?
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/316

Anyone who is aware of these things and still wants to vote for Obama is?

I can hear it now
dat bradley afect is racist and coss me da elekshun..dem poles wuz mye friendz..dat &!^%$ bradley afect!

King one-way
are you as excited about the hidden Michelle O's "whitey" tape as I am. Rumor has it, that it may hit the streets as early as tomorrow! I can't wait for this one!

Kinky Liberal
I AM HERE TO HELP YOU CURE YOUR ADDICTION.

The first step you have to take is to admit you are addicted to innuendo, distortions, exaggerations, insinuations and outright lies.

Now you have to take this cure "Cold Turkey" and just abruptly stop.
You can't keep taking other peoples words out of context, adding whatever you would have liked them to say and refute your own words while pretending they are someone else's words.
That is called "Verbal Masturbation".
I know it must make you feel good to verbally masturbate in public because I see you do it often.

JUST REMEMBER, I WILL BE HERE TO HELP YOU MEND YOUR FLAWED CHARACTER.

Kinky Liberal
You have a reputation for posting fantasy.
Please post links to verify your post #69

That is what links are for.
Like If I were to say al-Qaeda was being trained by Saddam I would post a link like this;
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp ?idArticle=6550&R=EACB39861

If I was to say you are a Soros flunky I would post a link like this;
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={8 9BC7BB2-298F-4B8D-99DF-A9EA273A0559}

If I was to say that pedophiles are common in the Democrat Party, I would post a link like this;
http://www.christmasghost.com/archives/2006/01/washington_s tat_1.html

See what I mean?
POST LINKS!

American or not?
Since when does a man get bashed for attending church for 20 years by a conservative?
John McCain does not even attend church on a regular basis and yet he is the choice for the extreme right?
Every pastor in the world has opinions that differ from his congreation.
Hagee is no different from Wright, yet conservatives don't denounce Hagee?
Why?
Americans should unite regardless of who wins in Nov.
Can conservatives back a liberal who also happends to be a fellow American for the sake of unity?
Patriotism knows no party loyalty.

Left Angle (One time only)
Against my better judgment I will engage you one time since I find few left-leaning people here who are honestly interested in discussion. Besides, I have other things to do today.

You wanted a concise statement of what Obama would do, as I said, to damage the U.S. and the world. Okay: “With no pre-conditions he will give an audience to that madman in Iran, thus also giving that megalomaniac a forum and elevating him to a prominence that will encourage him and beckon a war with Israel that we would no doubt get drawn into. Obama has openly discussed cutting back on our military, as is a typical move by liberals, for which we always ten years later have to play cath-up and rebuild under Republican administations as the world is a dangerous place. If you see no need of us having a strong military, then there is no sense for me to say more on this point. Militant Islam is a world-wide problem. Withdrawing prematurely from Iraq after paying the bulk of the price (in precious lives and money), just as we see daylight on the horizon, would carry with it consequences too horrific to consider—and again, if I have to explain this we have little that you and I can discuss.”

You then went on to say/ask: “So youre [sic] saying that Sen. Obama is running for potus so he can infiltrate it with like minded haters of america to destroy it from within?” Again, forgive me, but unlike you I prefer to capitalize America. I am sure that this slipped for you, although it is interesting that you were alert enough to capitalize Sen. Obama. No, I am not saying that this is a conscious intention of his. He DOES believe in the goodness of a socialistic world view. He DOES think he is on higher ground. However, such seemingly noble views are bankrupt. His vacuous views are appalling.

Kinky Liberal
YOU have a reputation for fabrication!
I HAVE CAUGHT YOU LYING ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS!
I have asked you to post a link to validate your statements in post #69.
Instead of posting the link I requested you whine about Conservatives.

THAT IS AN OUTRIGHT ADMISSION #69 CONTAINS LIES!

Kinky, Try to understand that when you embelish a post with fantasy it becomes A LIE!

If you insist on writing fiction, take it to the Disney Channel. These threads are not for posting fictionalized embellishments!

King one-way
I'm not going to bother with your sorry defeatist azzz any longer. You live in that pitiful little shell of yours, and I'll hang out with adults that can take countless reports and decipher them into reality.

Oh, and can't you just wait for that little Michelle tape to surface? I sure can't wait! Another little racist dribble from you heroes!

LMAO!!!!

Neveragain
"Can conservatives back a liberal who also happends to be a fellow American for the sake of unity?
Patriotism knows no party loyalty."

Kinda like the left has done the past 7 plus years? Your kidding right?

neveragain
You claim Patriotism knows no party loyalty?
When will Democrats demonstrate loyalty instead of this!
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/ 200601/NAT20060120a.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Where is the Hollywood Left today?

In 1945 there were caves still smoking on Okinawa when Bob Hope's PBY landed in the mouth of the bay and taxied in.
Why the long taxi in?
At that time, our ships had orders to fire on anything in the air that came within range of our guns.

Freedom is not free

King nut
hey buttface, I have watched 3 of my family members go over there and come back. Don't you ever put words in my mouth about what my thoughts have been on this war. Now go play with yourself. I'm done with your doom and gloom I hate life attitude.

King
you claimed you were in the military? I find that hard to believe. Most that went in the military became adults that could think. You have not reached anywhere near that level.

If the racist reverend wants to use that
logic then he would also have to accept that had no Africans been sold by their brothers to slave traders in Africa he could be living there, and his success would most likely not exist. Can't have it both ways. Slavery was wrong plain and simple and so are the rantings of this racist reverend.

SSGT
You can expect Kinky Liberal to paraphrase a fictional summary of your post and verbally masturbate himself in public while he mocks his own words.
His fictional summaries will have no actual relation to the subject of your posts.
He will call you names, mock himself and pretend it is you he is mocking.

Chainsaw: a response
first thanks for your civil response.

Let me say this. It totally baffles me why you
repubs/cons are absolutely terrified of Iran and it's prez Ahmadinejad and the thought that they may or may not have a nuclear weapon.
Cannot Isreal take care of themselves? They are one of the most heavily armed forces in the middle east and could annihilate Iran at a moments notice WITHOUT assistance from the U.S.
does Isreal not have at least 400 nuclear weapon of their own compared to ZERO for Iran?

furthermore their is a long history of American potus and officials talking to people percieved as and are hostile to the U.S. Obama would be doing nothing different.

No you said Obama is filled with hatred toward america and will damage it if elected. so from that you mean that he is running for potus so that if elected he can destroy it from within. so therefore your answer is a sidestep away from your own statement.

Obama's "Credibility" Maintenance
David:

The answer to your question:"But please explain, in view of the ongoing revelations about his associations, how Obama hasn't lost all credibility to present himself as one who could unify this nation[?]" is so obvious that it renders your question rhetorical. It is as follows:

The mainstream liberal media, plain and simple.


Left Angle:
Again,just what does Obama stand for, other than the idea that the Federal Government can solve all of our problems, if it is just given enough tax money, bureaucrats, and regulations?

Group rights/Idendity Politics.
Welcome to the world of group rights and identity politics.
The reason Obama is the candidate of the hapless democratic party is the result of 50 years of developing and pandering to group rights and perfecting the art of playing identity politics. Here's how it works in politics: Identify a group (union, feminists, blacks, ethnics, naive youngsters, low income, seniors, etc) convince that group there is a conspiracy to undermine their special rights as members of that group, promise a solution to their predicament in exchange for the vote, collect all these aggrieved in one big coalition and get elected. It probably all started with the affirmative action policies that grew out of the civil rights movement of the 60's. What do you end up with? Race baiters like Jesse Jackson, Reverend Wright and Father Pflegger and a politician like Obama who lays claim to being the one to harmonize the often disparate objectives of each group by offering even more yet of whatever each group has been getting from government. This strategy and the democratic party are doomed to failure or else the country is doomed to failure. We will find out which in November.

Subject: King Oneway
"...81% of the country thinks we're headed in the wrong direction."

Are you referring to homosexual marriage in Mass and Calif? Or are you referring to partial birth abortion? Hollywood/San Fran values?

Like many liberals, you labor under a misconception. America doesn't want to slide into moral relativity and barbarism. Yet secular liberals keep pushing the envelope on behavior and morals. That could be what people are thinking of when they're asked about "wrong direction." We don't seem to be backing away from Soddom & Gomorrah....thanks liberals!



lumberjack: a response
if you want detailed information on where obama stands on all of the major issues and what he is proposing if elected potus you need to go to
his website select "issues" and its all there in black and white.

btw: I have absolutely never hear sen. obama state that he thinks government can solve all our problems given enough tax money, bureaus and
regulations..that is something YOU said.

King Liberal
You guys got to get off this kick where you want the world to like you. You're like a love-sick puppy.

I see conservatism as a bulwark against a Caligula-like society that places no boundaries on decent behavior. It's like: if it feels good, do it. Screw society!

Hate to tell you this, but 2000 and 2004 proved quite convincingly that most Americans loathe the idea of liberals leading them. 2008, you better sit down King Liberal, will be NO exception.

Duncan62
Facts are to Obamabots as Sunlight is to Dracula.

Duncan
I am confused. You claim 200 showed that Americans "loathed the idea of liberals leading them." I don't udnerstnad how you can conclude that in light of the fact that more American voted for a liberal than for a conservative?

Why would anyone give credence to your predictions for teh future: you can't even predict the past.

Oh, King, King, King!
I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh. I think you are just trying to side-step my questions. I didn't say word one about riots in Denver. I have friends in Denver and would not like seeing that.

I asked you if you feel betrayed. I asked you if, after the Clintons' statements, you think Hillary's followers will vote for Obama.

I started no argument with you; but, your gratuitous attacks and faulty assumptions tell the tale about your state of angst.

By the way, has your Fearless Leader Robert Byrd gotten out of the hospital yet? Did he steal the bed sheets when he left? Does he have some for you?

King one-way
WASHINGTON — Barack Obama effectively clinched the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday, based on an Associated Press tally of convention delegates, becoming the first black candidate ever to lead his party into a fall campaign for the White House.


Good, a Racist gets the nod. I'm sure your proud as sh*t-pie!

Jack
I bet your proud of your buddy there in PA, Murtha the lying puke! Call any Marines, murderers lately? Yeah, were all sooooo proud of your lying puke hero!

TheConstentGardner
good day you to you!

"By the way, has your Fearless Leader Robert Byrd gotten out of the hospital yet? Did he steal the bed sheets when he left? Does he have some for you?"

For crying racist conservative out of one breath, they sure do love the ones that actually lived it! Truely pathetic and amazing.

Conservative "Misanthropy"
Conservatives just don't like people.

That's come to me recently - and I can't for the life of me figure out why it took me so long to see - conservatives just don't like people.

It isn't just that conservatives don't like Obama and hate Hillary and Bill. Conservatives don't like anybody, and so we really shouldn't take their trashing of Obama as anything unusual.

Need I remark on Soccer Moms? Global Warming Scientists? Traitorous Liberals? Environmental Wackos? This list of people conservatives don't like is just staggering.

It's misanthropy, clear and simple.

SSGT
Just wondering...are you a complete moron or do you just pretend to be one on Townhall.

Left Angle writes
"btw: I have absolutely never hear sen. obama state that he thinks government can solve all our problems given enough tax money, bureaus and
regulations..that is something YOU said.

He doesn't have to. His voting record speaks for itself. Anyway think about his chances of winning if he did say that. I'm sure he doesn't want to go the way of Walter Mondale in 1984 when He said "I will raise your taxes" Look what happened. Reagan was basically declared the winner before the polls closed in most states.

P lib
There's a lot to dislike about traitors like you.
When people of your stripe hope and pray that the terrorists win for the sake of politics, it IS easy to dislike you.
And please don't lie to me and deny that i told the truth.

If your leg tingler(obama) should become Pres.,
you will pay the same penalty as Patriots.

Jack
hey picklehead, just askin ya a question! You proud of your lying buddy Murtha!

Proud Lib
its not so much the people or groups that we hate. Its the yellow stripes down your backsides that I personally loathe!

Lumberjack: RE Limited Angle (#94)

"... detailed information on where obama stands on all of the major issues..."

The problem is, "...his website select "issues" and its all there in black and white."... the limited libs don't quite know that all the detailed information is "MARXISM" ... black and white...

Now, if they could read and actually understand what they're reading.... they'd know what Bozo is actually intends to do....

But, the good news is, the game isn't over yet! You know who, hasn't really sung yet! The DN Convention hasn't happened yet! And if Bozo thinks for one second that HRC is going to give up easily, he's dumber than even we thought...




Anne
Pay attention.

1) You do not know anything about Marxism.

2) The Clinton campaign may well be over by the end of the day. Pay attention to the news.

Anne writes:
"Primus: he seems to be posting less and less since he knows he's being "tracked."
-----

You may be correct.

Of course, even to someone as mentally deranged as "Robert", it could be he is tiring of posting dozens of comments, only to see them wiped off the threads within hours.

Sorry in advance for the long post
Let's stroll down memory lane, shall we?

1968: Democrats nominate sitting VP Hubert Humphrey, expecting a huge victory. Nixon won.

1972: Nixon is vilified. Democrats nominate Sen George McGovern, expecting a huge victory. Nixon won.

1976: Democrats nominate Jimmy Carter, a naval veteran, a moderate Southern governor, expecting a huge victory. Carter won.

1980: Democrats nominate Jimmy Carter. Strong on national defense Ronald Reagan won.

1984: Democrats nominate Mondale, expecting a huge victory. Reagan won in a landslide.

1988: Democrats nominate Mike Dukakis, an intellectual liberal governor of Massachusetts, expecting a huge victory. George Bush won.

1992: Democrats nominate Bill Clinton, a moderate Southern governor. Clinton won.

1996: Clinton never ceased to campaign for re-election. Republicans nominated Bob Dole, a war hero, but an establishment Senator who never met a farm subsidy he didn't like. Clinton won.

2000: Democrats nominate Gore expecting a huge victory. Strong on national defense, George W. Bush won. (Electoral College.Read the Constitution.)

2004: Democrats nominate John Kerry, an intellectual liberal Senator of Massachusetts, expecting a huge victory. We would never re-elect Bush the liar. Bush won.

2008: When the general election campaign begins (you ain't seen nothin' yet...) the voters will be presented a stark choice: Democrats nominate Obama.We have been so embarrassed by the tax-cutting, Iraq -invading idiot in the White House. We would never elect anyone from the party of Bush the liar, torturer, grasper of executive power, destroyer of civil liberties and shredder of the Constitution. We would never vote for “Bush's third term”. Conservatives will never vote for liberal McLame. Strong on national defense John McCain will win.

Love to all.

Jack
oh wise one, teach of marxism then as we know nothing.


Karl Marx has several steps to moving towards socialism and on to communism. Obama aligns with those steps very closely. What about him is not marxism? That is the better question.

What's wrong with Marxism?
America is a Welfare State.

Anne: Your great, great grandchildren will live under a collective, worldwide government. There's no place for you to hide, Anne.

Except the government subsidized old folks home.

Jack: Are you the designated LibIdiot

for today!

And yes, I do... The problem is, the liberals, such as yourself, CLEARLY DO NOT.

I'd strongly suggest that you google "Maxims" or "Marx" or "Marxist" and then compare and contrast what Bozo is talking about...

You DO KNOW how to compare and contrast, don't you?

Dem's mistake & my dream
Barack will go down big in November. I say McCain ends up with around 300 electoral votes.

Dems mistake is their thinking that Bill C had so many inappropriate people around him that they can get away with it again with Barack. Not going to happen this time. Barack is no Bill C when it comes to speaking and Michelle is no Hillary. We have no doubt heard the last of Michelle and between her, Wright, Father P, et. al., this will be a loss for the Dems. They will, however, take over control of everything else.

My dream: 4 years of getting nothing done in Washington.

PL
hahaha!!! whats wrong?

Even during The Soviet Union power time during the cold war the common person basically lived in poverty. Do you not learn history? I suggest you read the federalist papers yet again for proof on why a republic works over any sort of communist state.

Here are the 10 steps ...Obama works very well towards these goals.

http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html

All Conservatives: Please excuse all

the limited, lunatic liberals posting on TH.

They're all suffering from acute BDS and sorass induced insanity.

We doubt that either of these conditions are fatal to the limited, lunatic libs, but it has CLEARLY rendered them totally and completely disabled.

(Apparently sorass can ONLY get the bottom feeders in the first place.)

However, the we're not yet sure if their "condition" might not be fatal to our country. But if it is, we'll know whose responsible.



Anne: I said this before...
and i will say this again:

"If you dont like sen. obama then DONT VOTE FOR HIM"

it's that simple..

futhermore if you actually think the way to defeat Sen. Obama is to run behind him shouting:

"ANTI-AMERICAN MARXIST SOCIALISTIC COMMUNIST"

then go for it!!! rotflmao

Obama the Best to lead
Obama is the best to lead the US. McCain has demonstrated that he is a friend of Lobbyists and special interest in Washington. You can write all you can but that wouldn't dissuade me from supporting the guy. I supported Huckabee in the primaries you guys trashed him so bad. He was the GOP version of Obama the reformer. Voters are very dissappointed with the GOP and the politics of attacks. He have grown wiser and won't fall again to these manipulation. Many would vote Obama to punish the GOP for it's failures!

BTW
for all you libs, I think PL asking what is wrong with Marxism basically says, in his eyes, he believes Obama is going towards Marxism.

the infallability of libs
it never ceases to amaze how libs can always detect the evil that lurks in the hearts of conservs and then leads to conservs doing evil things to the great oppressed. '

It seems that the evil conservs have all been made waealthy by stealing the labor from the poor black underclass

Now here comes B hussein and the libs are assuring all that his man of good faith and intent will solve not only the great racial divide but will bring about world peace by the sheer audacity of speaking to iran.

He will further end world poverty by taxing every american citizen some $7,000. which he will turn over the the UN who will wisely administer the rpograms to resolves the world's problem

But why did it take the leftists/libs all these years to find this new messiah. But we have learned that b hussein for the past 20 years has has been mentored by both wright and pfleger who have taught him the real enemy is the white race who must now sell off all their assetts and turn them over to their rightful owners, the mistreated and the misunderstood black race.

It is long past time for whites to fully undersatand who built this great land and see they are finally rewarded with the monies stolen and not to be returned to the blacks who earned it

Oh, Loon Angle seems to have a problem

with a CONSERVATIVE posting the TRUTH about ol' slick talkin' Bozo Hussein Obama on a CONSERVATIVE site.

Are you too deranged to actually get yourself just a bit educated about Bozo Hussein Obama?

or

Have you forgotten that Town Hall actually is a CONSERVATIVE web site?

I will give you this, however... with all the angry, insane, preposterous posts by so many lunatic liberals, it's probably easy to get confused... (easy and confused are the operative word!)



Umm, say, Jack?
You said:

"I am confused. You claim 200 showed that Americans "loathed the idea of liberals leading them." I don't udnerstnad how you can conclude that in light of the fact that more American voted for a liberal than for a conservative?"

I think I claimed that it was the year 2000. In 200 A.D., I'm quite sure the Paleolithic Indians of the North American continent were not using the Electoral College to elect their chieftan. Wise up and spell-check, Jack.

Oh, and to answer your point seriously. Jack, jack, jack, you poor deluded freak. Even I will admit that it's possible (although controversial) that Al Gore got more of the popular vote, but all this proves is that a few hundred thousand Marxist, socialist, rainbow coalition, one-world, UN-lovin', tree hugging jackasses were so addled that they thought that waxy faced automaton we call algore would make a good president. Thank GOD, the SCOTUS ended that little circle jerk, eh?

Jack? Hello, jack?

Anne and CKHooter
Actually, I know a good deal about Marxism, as well as other major socio-political philosophies. You are making the claim that Obama is a Marxist: thus far you have shown nothing.

But, for your edification:

1.Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

There is no indication that Obama favors the abolition of private property.


2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

This is already in place and has been.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

No indication Obama favors the end of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

No indication Obama favors such an act.

5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

No indication Obama favors such an act.


6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

No indication Obama favors such centralization

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

No indication Obama favors this.


8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

No indication Obama favors this.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

No such indication in Obama's positions.


10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

I imagine Obama does favor this. But so do 95% of all Americans. Or do you favor eliminating child labor laws?





Anne
They get $17 hr. to spew their hate on Conservative websites and talk radio. (There are ads on Craigs List.)

I have noticed an increase of trolls which tells me....schools out for the summer. LOL

Poor Jack... still doesn't get it!

Obviously you don't know as much as you think!

Now, run along and go outside and play....


Duncan
Duncan,

Too ashamed of your claim to actually defend it?

You conjecture: "all this proves is that a few hundred thousand Marxist, socialist, rainbow..."

Fact:

Gore: 50,999,897
Bush: 50,456,002

Can you explain how these 50 million plus American votes prove "quite convincingly that most Americans loathe the idea of liberals leading them."?









I don't get it either, David Limbaugh
Obama doesn't have any qualifications to be POTUS, yet many Democrat leaders are supporting him. He must have some secret power that we aren't aware of yet. :-)

Great article. 5 stars

Jack's post 108
I ask all posters here to flag Jack's post 108. It is disgusting and despicable. I am hard pressed to imagine a more loathesome post.

Jack is TOTALLY out of line.

Anne
The junior high attitude that you can dismiss people without actually responding to their questions and issues is just a sign that you haven't got two sticks worth of intelligence to rub together.

You made the claim, now do try to act like and adult and back it up.

Sarge
I do not make apologies to you for Jack's gutter post. Only he could do that. But, I will say that I know you to be a good and decent person and I could not be angrier or more incensed with this trash.

Oh 'Robert".....
watching....

Anne: so be it...
if thats what you believe then fine...

all I'm saying if you think that RUNNING BEHIND OBAMA SHOUTING "ANTI-AMERICAN SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST" is your BEST strategy defeating obama..

THEN GO FOR IT...LMAO

CG
SSGT attempted to misdirect the conversation by asking a "When did you stop beating your wife" question: I simply upped the ante. Had he been civil, I would have been as well. I have nothing to apologize for.

Jack - post 125
Your argument is that '[T]here is no indication that Obama favors this' to every example of Marxism you give. Have you stopped to consider that there are very few indicators of what Obama actually favors other than 'change we can believe in'? Even the meanest of intelligences would become concerned about what that overly broad and ambiguous phrase means after hearing it so frequently. One thing most have come to believe is that there will be change. Do you have any insight or meaningful contribution as to what that will be?

I am impressed with your knowledge of Marxism. That does say something about you.

hey Anne one more thing
why dont you right wingers get together and press the so called to question sen obama about his marxist, socialist/communistic beliefs in
the coming debates between him and mccain

i can see it now:

commentator:

"Sen. Obama, are you a closet dictator, who has ties to radical islamofascist like osama bin laden, al qaeda and hamas, also radical american leftist like william ayers, rev wright and louis farahkan who have an interest in overthrowing the amerian govenment and converting it to one party marxist fascism/communism?


Sen Obama:

you know i have heard this theory before and the right wingers are exactly correct (with a straight face)... (audience convulsing in laughter)

rotflmao

texasps: Well, that explains it! (#126)

$17 hr. is most likely more than they've ever made before, and more than they could ever earn on any kind of a "real job."

"I have noticed an increase of trolls which tells me....schools out for the summer. LOL"

Actually, now that you mention it, I have also noticed an increase of trolls, and obviously more of the "bottom feeder" mentality.

texasps- Qualifications
'Obama doesn't have any qualifications to be POTUS'

Not to pick on you, you just happen to be the most recent poster to make the claim on this thread, but what exactly are the qualifications? I'm not an Obama supporter myself, but of all the arguments against him, this just seems to be the one I have the hardest time justifying. If he doesn't have the qualifications, who does? I'm an independant in PA, so I had no choice in the primaries, but if I did, I would have chosen Richardson on the D side and Romney for the R's (despite the fact that they were both long gone by April) because they seemed to have the best mix of experiences to qualify for the job, in my opinion. So who was the most qualified in your mind?

Jack - post 136
'When did you stop beating your wife' is the conundrum question as no answer will clear the person responding of being guilty of some sort of wrongdoing. It has been around so long that many of the witty and/or intelligent retorts are almost as well known as the question. That does not excuse your remark. You have taken this to an obscene extreme. That is unacceptable and inexcusable. Do you subscribe to the 'stoop to conquer' mentality?

CG
Obama's positions, many of which I do not like, are presented on his web site. I have now asked two people who indicated Obama is a Marxist to explain how any of his positions is Marxist. I have gotten no responses.

This is because it is part and parcel of Conservative trash talk to make big claims and then scurry under a rock when asked to validate those claims. People like Anne, SSGT, and CKhustler are nothing but intellectual bullies who try to push people around.

But you tell me. Would you be happy if Anne were an official Republican spokesperson, or would you be mortified?





LeftRudyRight
Bill Richardson pointed to the lack of need for qualification in any manner other than being a natural born citizen of the mandated age when he asked 'What is experience here? A leper?' He asked that question in a debate where he got precious few questions or time in which to make himself known.

FYI, the AP has announced that Clinton will leave the race and is willing to be Obama's VP. Obama has now clenched the requisite number of delegates.

Jack - post 142
I don't engage in absurd hypotheticals. However, I note in your second to last paragraph you identify Anne as an "intellectual
bull[y]". As you identify her as an intellectual, employ your intelligence to its greatest degree when you engage her in discourse.

TheConstantGardener: It appeared that

the usual resident idiots were depending on "CliffsNotes" for their "education."

But then I realized (silly me) that these utterly foolish or senseless people (one definition of an "idiot") would have had to have an IQ higher than 25 even to read CliffsNotes, and clearly they do not.

And, to actually comprehend CliffsNotes, one must have a mental age of more than three years old (another definition of an "idiot") and clearly, which these limited libs clearly do not have.

How utterly frustrating it must be for them to try to cope in a world of intelligent and educated people. No wonder they're just so angry!




The STINK won't go away...
The stench of Obama's past won't go away no matter how hard the MSM tries to ignore it or downplay it.

Get this, Americans either have heard about this and are totally appalled or will hear about it. Bottom line, only an unamerican idiot would vote for someone like this...no matter how smooth his delivery.

Jack, let me school you
You said:

Too ashamed of your claim to actually defend it?

You conjecture: "all this proves is that a few hundred thousand Marxist, socialist, rainbow..."

Fact:

Gore: 50,999,897
Bush: 50,456,002

Can you explain how these 50 million plus American votes prove "quite convincingly that most Americans loathe the idea of liberals leading them."?

Yeah, i think I can. Bush won.

Jack, you're not too bright.

take off the blinders, folks
When 90% of these blacks support anything, it is a screaming indicator for the rest of this country to band against it!

Blackobama is an incompetent product of his pathetic, bitter upbringing. Let our country not delude itself further that this farce is some historic landmark. His very presence in this election process is a humiliating embarrassment and highlights the country's willing blindness to imminent disaster!

I wish for the political chasm in America to become deep and wide enough to swallow every last seditious liberal! "Unity" is a dem-wit euphemism for capitulation.

Jack - 142
I don't discuss marxism, fascism, communism or fly fishing. Let me add computer to that almost definitive list.

Now that, as I indicated in a previous post, Obama has clenched the nomination and Clinton says she would consider the VP position, do you see the two of them as the 'Dream Ticket'? Does Obama need Clinton to win? Or do her negatives add little if anything?

Which policies of Obama do you not like or agree with?

I will tell you that one of my concerns about Obama is that his new spending would be just over $307,210,000 annually. Even pulling troops out of Iraq and doing away with several other programs, such as the tax cuts, there is not money sufficient to pay for these programs.

Dunkin and Gardener
Dunkin,

What a pathetic dodge. You simply can't deal with the fact you mispoke. But pray continue: you can't meaningfully discuss even your own words! It does serve to show that you guys are nothing but blowhards.

Gardener,

See what I mean?

TheConstantGardener: IS Jack is getting

all nasty? Bet his little face is all red and he's on the verge of a full blown temper tantrum.

"I have no qualms about responding aggressively to people like that. If they want to have a ****ing match, fine with me."

Ooooooooooooooooooooooo

Bet he's one of those guys who crashes Conservative talks and lectures and throws pies! (Brave little bully!)

jack could probably use some anger management along with some education.

No CG, I Prefer Not To.
Address Anne intellectually?

I prefer Bartleby's response.

Obama need's to break socialist ties.
__Besides coming clean on this issue Obama needs to come clean on his ties to an element of socialism in America, who used this church has a pawn. Obama'a ties to the "New Party, designed as a loose confederation of unions, socialists, communists, and black activists who shared common values," need to be brought to the surface. "Dan Cantor, ironic given Obama’s preacher problems of late, summed up his vision for the New Party as it headed into Chicago, telling Steve Mills, “We’re of that Left tradition that thinks we could have a majority out there someday.… We want to build a church, not a sect. Because if the Left is going to amount to anything, it’s going to be made up of groups have have reached their limit on one issue.”" Obama makes gestures for nothing as his, their main intent is written here, http://www.redstate.com/stories/elections/2008/barack_obam a_sought_the_new_partys_endorsement_knowing_it_was_a_radica l_left_organization

Jack
I'm not the principal. You can't send them to my office. If this is so unpleasant, find another outlet.

As for me, I am off to have coffee with my husband.

I still assert that you owe an apology to Sarge.

ConstantGardener
I think that your post in reply to me and the one at 5:18 proves my point. Experience/qualifications mean very little to most voters. People can harp on Obama's experience versus McCain's all the want, but in the end that's going to mean very little. How many libs considered voting for GHWB in '92 because of his experience or cons for Slick Willy in '96. What better experience than being the sitting president?
I'd like to consider it when it comes time to vote, but, like you, my main concern is moving forward- 'What are you planning to do about X,Y,Z issues and how are you (or should I say we) going to end up paying for it?'

CG
I am also concerned with Obama's financial escalation. I do not worry over much about it becoming reality, but it does make me wince a bit.

That said, there is absolutely nothing Marxist about any of them. People who make the claim simply prove they can't be taken seriously.

If Obama were to select Clinton as his running mate, I think that would be a very strong ticket. Her negatives, which would impact her as a presidential candidate are much less of an issue in the VP slot. However, he does not need to do so. There are plenty of other potential VP's out there.

All that said, if I were a serious conservative I would be very worried about the kind of postings one reads here. The hyperbole, the not so subtle racism, the failure to grapple with real issues combine to make conservatives sound nearly deranged. As a liberal, I love it.




Liberals ......
Liberals - far left ones supporting Obama - There is no one so blind as those who will not see! Time to organize and vote to save our county from distruction by the far left Liberals!

CG
Have a nice cup. Tough about Sarge.

xxxx
as

Jack + marxist financial gain
__Read the link in my 5:24 post, and you will find a portion of Baracks marxist financial gain. You can find more marxist ties here, http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/01/obama-file-3-socialist -unionists.html or you might even try here http://www.chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng45.html The Chicago DSA is the Democat Socialist of America.

LeftRudyRight
It is a sad commentary on politics that promises and slogans mean nothing. It is a sadder commentary today that these candidates are so carefully crafted by handlers that you really don't know who they are. The saddest commentary, to my thinking, is that debates are not debates. No one is forced to stick to issues; so, you hear meaningless spin ad nauseum. Further, the pre-chosen fair haired boys and girls get the lion's share of the time. For example, for every six minutes that the 'second tier' of Republican candidates got in debates, the 'first tier' got twenty-six minutes. How does a working stiff make a decision from that? Some of these candidates, Duncan Hunter for example, never got the opportunity to achieve enough name recognition to be considered seriously.

Who is best 'qualified'? Probably someone who did not run at all.

Jack - post 157
How, specifically, do you define conservative? If you think it is some monolithic group, you are incorrect in your assessment.

As to how you are addressed here, note that many liberals and social misfits come here only to argue. That does not impress me, either. It has, however, become so common that reasonable discussion between the many variations of conservatives has become impossible.

Now, while I would sit and chat with you in a civil manner, even though we may disagree, I will decline to do so unless and until you apologize for the post to Sarge. I find it offensive.

Jack
You seem very young and immature.
Are you one of Nancy's Party Favors?
http://hollycrud.com/2006/10/nancy-girl-wants-old-gays-with -young.html

Sophie
I did not go 'off the deep end when McCain' got enough delegates to be nominated. He hasn't been nominated yet, Sophie. That's what the convention is for.

I did not go 'off the deep end' today when I heard that Obama has enough delegates to be nominated.

I will not go 'off the deep end' if gasoline is $10 a gallon.

I am not in charge of any of it. Whatever happens, I live with it.

That being said, I am thoroughly enjoying Clinton not getting the coronation she thought she was entitled to get.

Sophie of a thousand names, (Communist)
Your chosen habitual screwup has done it again!
I don't see how you Communists could have possibly chosen a worse candidate that Obama.
Only a brain dead Communist will vote for him after this!

http://www.cnsnews.com/viewpolitics.asp?page=/politics/arch ive/200803/pol20080304d.html

sophie
since june 17 is the big day for the confused in calif are you and your peruvian boy toy planning your big tranny wedding. It will probably make all the lists of san diego things to avoid.

The word is that the two of you will be wearing matching gowns picked off the rack at the local salvation army thrift shop

Harriet Christian, a LIFE LONG DEMOCRAT

who made no bones about telling everyone at the DEMO Meeting last Sat., that Obama was simply an "inadequate black male" and that she would be joining the other 28% of HRC supporters and vote for McCain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s

".... McCain will be the next president of the United States!"

I stand corrected. I guess there are at least a few demos who actually do have two brain cells functioning... unlike any of the limited dumbos who post here on TH.

So, it looks as though that 28% of HRC supporters is growing... maybe now 30%! HA HA HA HA HA HA




Sophie of a thousand names, (Communist)
Hey STUPID! This is what Communism is;

These are YOUR ELECTED leaders.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29 612

(This is their Progressive Site)
http://cpc.lee.house.gov/index.cfm?ContentID=166&ParentID=0 &SectionID=4&SectionTree=4&Ink=b&ItemID=164

This is the Progressive Agenda. (Progressive Site)
http://web.archive.org/web/20020215003619/www.dsausa.org/pc /pc.progag.html

This is how Progressives intend to achieve their Agenda.
Communist Goals-- Congressional Record- Appendix, pp. A34-A35
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

Take note #17 has already been accomplished! Our schools are now dumbed down indoctrination centers.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
#17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda.
Soften the curriculum. Get control of teacher's associations. Put party line in textbooks.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The knowledge of the people is what makes a society what it is.
Detracting from that knowledge damages our entire society by making us less affluent.

People are what they know. Each thing you learn becomes a part of you and makes you proportionately more than you were before. Your possibilities in life are expanded by what you learn and limited by what you do not know.
The purpose of Communist Goal #17 is to cheat every person in our society of the opportunity to learn, thereby depriving you and your children of an opportunity you otherwise would have to become all you could have been if given an honest education.
The lifestyle of each American has been worsened to some extent by the Communists among us.

Awe, "Robert".. don't you just HATE it

when your posts get pulled on a regular basis... every day????

Bummer, isn't it.

Do you wonder why??? You should! You really should!


Sophie
AP confirmed her being 'open' a few hours back. I don't think anyone in their right mind would want a '2 for 1' VP, though.

I don't care how much she wanted it. No pity from this corner for her. I got tired of the 'from day one' and '35 years of experience' silliness that was backed up by fabricated stories. I have no respect for her. If she were a Republican I would have no respect for her.

Has Bill outlived his usefulness to her now?

The fat lady needs to sing to end the Dem nomination race. She's fat enough to qualify.

The general election will be interesting.

sophie
keep telling the world you are straight. That's your fantasy not mine. You are you pervian tranny are probably the ugliest couple on the block. But then again the two of you are probably the least popular at the local bar for the confused.

Anyone who has to go to such lengths to continually bore others with these relationship is covering something up. But in your world you probably believe you have a "normal relationship",

Sophie of a thousand names, (Communist)
When you Commies come here incognito, how many times do you think you can post support for Communists & their Agenda & Goals & insult every Conservative on the thread before you blow your cover?

You bring up Craig like he is the rule rather than the exception for Conservatives.

Perversion is a part of the Democrat Party Platform;
http://www.christmasghost.com/archives/2006/01/washington_s tat_1.html

http://www.urbanconservative.com/2007/02/24/what-does-the-a clu-nambla-and-child-porn-have-in-common/

http://www.santorumblog.com/index.php/2006/10/06/demand-tha t-democrats-condemn-the-aclu-and-nambla/

MyOpine: Keep "Robert" posting...
The more he posts, the more we have.....
We "know" he's not an officer, so it's all gravy from here on...... :-)

Wobbie
So you have abandoned your charade of trying to convince us you are a Republican?

If you had been able to comprehend my links you would be aware that we have many Communists in Government.
ARE YOU SO STUPID YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THIS?
http://www.tysknews.com/Articles/democratism_pt1.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/20030417165700re_/www.dsausa.org /archive/index.html

Sophie of a thousand names, (Communist)
This is you associate;
Wobbie tells us he is a Captain in the U.S. Navy, an active duty combat pilot flying daily patrols over Iraq,

And he does not know Ordinance Color Codes.
And he can't describe a Division Gunnery Efficiency Pennant.
And he can't describe a Division Engineering Efficiency Pennant.
And he can't tell you what it signals when a ship hoists a single red dovetail pennant.
And he can't tell you the ransom paid by a Carrier for returning a downed pilot.
And he claims to be one of the men who held the "Halp us Jon Cary" sign.
And he claims to be a Border Patrol pilot.
And he claims to be an Airline Captain.
And he claims to be a Navy test pilot.
And he claims to be a civilian test pilot.
And he claims to be an FAA Flight Examiner.
And he claims to be a Republican and also a delegate to the Democrat convention.
And he claims to be a College Professor making psychiatric evaluations of our posts here at TH.
And wally discovered Wobbie does not know how to fly an airplane.
And he claims to be an advisor to our Admirals.
And he claims to be a Mid East Consultant.
And he claims to have been a Vice Cop.
And he claims the Russians were so impressed they let him take their latest military craft for a spin at an Air Show.
And I can't get Wobbie to tell me if that Russian airplane has a slot for quarters like the plane he flies in front of Wal*Mart.

And I have asked Fantasy Wobbie if he knows what a "Blackballer" is and he can't answer.

The SophRob duo blindly follow
__I have never read a factual statement emitted from either of these two, when commenting on a point of opposition. Like irritating little gnats that poke their pin heads in here, and there, to cause friction, and anger. While for some time now I have scrolled past their ignorance, for a moment I pause, and give them a swat. A fairly easy thing to do has they fly around in a frenzy watching, and hearing, their food source shrink right before their eyes. They have never been, nor will ever be able to have the strength to survive if it is not prepared, or given to them, by others. They are of the economy that finds itself shrinking has we fight this war on terror, and all those who seek to govern by intimidation. Whether intimidation with arms of destruction, or intimidation of those, who hold power, has they speak of loss due to cuts in entitlements. The same 'ol social network SophRob rely on, and will blindly follow while ignoring the truth. SOCIALISM.

sophie the tranny
come on show us your true self. Denial doesn't change your persuasion. But it is you who always talks about your self life and how others should enjoy the same pleasures you brag about.

When your boss gave you your big bonus did it make your peruvian mate jealous. I was only talking about your coming wedding afterall it is nice that you two can enjoy the benefits of living with legal blessings given by the calif courts.

But it is you who is constantly entranced by males molesting children. The rest of us want to see them imprisoned. But if you are so sure about toe tapper craig why not contact him and invite him to witness your coming wedding ceremony.

MyOpine
I've appreciated and enjoyed watching you slap sophie around on these pages for quite a while now, but I feel you are wasting your time and energy (not to mention it's such a lopsided contest). She doesn't comprehend your points, she refuses to read your supporting evidence, and she will never answer your questions.

I know you wouldn't beat a retarded child for failing to grasp calculus.....same concept here.

I recommend just scrolling by...it will p*ss her off not to get the attention she craves.

Sophie of a thousand names, (Communist)
YOU ARE A DAMNED LIAR!
You keep bringing up Craig & Fole.
NONE of the FEW Republicans who were involved in those scandals were with children!

YOU DEMOCRATS MAKE A GENERAL PRACTICE OF PROCURING CHILDREN FOR PEDOPHILES!
http://hollycrud.com/2006/10/nancy-girl-wants-old-gays-with -young.html

DEMOCRATS ARE THE PARTY OF NAMBLA!
http://americansfortruth.com/issues/the-agenda-glbtq-activi st-groups/national-glbtq-activist-groups/nambla/

And Democrats deal in Child Porn!
http://www.urbanconservative.com/2007/02/24/what-does-the-a clu-nambla-and-child-porn-have-in-common/

Now YOU PERVERT, insult Conservatives over Craig & Fole again.

Robert
Impersonating a miltary veteran is the lowest of the f'ing low.....I hope you rot in hell you sorry piece of sh*t.

Icedog: "Robert" IS going to rot...

but someplace else for quite a while, just BEFORE hell.

barry
as for obama:

why would obama change his christian name to barak. if you are a christian, use your christian name.

as for hilly:

"Lazy n*****s."
--Hillary Clinton, to black campaign worker in 1992, who was late for a meeting, according to Clinton/Gore volunteer Margorie Hamilton.

“Goddamn L.D., did you see that family right out of Deliverance? Get me the hell out of here.”
To L.D. Brown, her bodyguard, while at a county fair in Arkansas in the early 1980s. They had just spoken to folks in bib overalls and cotton dresses.

who are the bigots?

adios,
Harvey
Lancaster, Mexifornia
dial 1 for english mano

Sophie
Please refresh my memory, what branch of the military did Obama serve in again?

Jack
I suggest you read obamas agenda then. He does fit many of them. And many other issues he is well on his way. Go to the blog of 'The Crawfish', he is posting up Obama's pdf on what he wants to do. You will find he matches around 5 of those 10 steps. You simply need to do more research.

heyharvey
Wish you would post more often.

How is everything going at the La Raza Community Center?

I Predict...
..that Obama will win all 58 States, along with those "states in the middle", and hire the much needed Arabic translators for Afghanistan. Once sworn in, he will proceed to toss the entire black race, along with his wife, under the bus. He will NO longer desire to drain all that "white blood" from his body but now will consider himself a full-fledged white, having used the black act to ascend to the Presidency.

He will be the dream candidate of the Liberals....a man who appears black but acts like and talks like he is white. Now that's a winner in any lib's book.

Robert you dishonorable fraud.
"For the first time in modern American history Marine Generals in the field were ready to resign in the field and go on MTP to engage The Secretary of Defense...Rumsfeld."

You say something like this you ought to back it up with references.

What a slime you would use these statements in public not only are you disloyal to your uniform you are disloyal to your "friends". course you have neither uniform or friends of the nature you boast.

Jack
Im not going to go through and find quotes either as you would love me to. Anyone who has read that would know exactly what Im talking about. Perhaps you its time to checked out what Obama really wants to do with this country.

Agreed
You hit the nail on the head. His viability as a candidate would have sailed like the Titanic if he had been of any persuasion other than Black and Liberal.

I am a proud American Black who is seriously considering buying a t-shirt indicating my opposition to BHO's candidacy. I want to scream: THIS MAN IS WRONG FOR THIS NATION!

Both Blacks and Whites assume that I support him. It is damned irritating!

Clinton won South Dakota
Whoa! Did Obama see that coming?

JEREMIAH
JERIMIAH WAS MY PASTOR
HE WAS A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE
I NEVER UNDERSTOOD A SINGLE WORD HE SAID . . . . . . .
YEAH WRIGHT!

adios,
Jarvey
Lancaster, Taxifornia
dial 1 for english dude

doug: "Robert" has NEVER, I repeat NEVER

backed up anything he's claimed...

Let me say that one more time... ROBERT HAS NEVER BACKED UP ANYTHING HE'S CLAIMED... EVER!

"What a slime you would use these statements in public not only are you disloyal to your uniform...."

Not to worry, doug. He's NEVER been in uniform, certainly NOT an officer's uniform. But "impersonating an officer"... now that's a different matter.

"Robert" knows he's being watched. What he doesn't know, however, is what we do know about him, and IF he was smart, he's WORRY, and worry a lot about that.


Obama and Marxism
Liberation Theology
is a response to oppression
Definition of sin - Capitalist nations are sinful because they exploit and impoverish other nations and peoples.
- Those who are oppressed sin when they do not attempt to overthrow their oppressors.

Definition of salvation - Bringing about the kingdom of God with a new social order where there is equality for all.

Who is God? God stands against exploitation.

What is the purpose of the church? not on a mission to save souls but is to protest injustice and to side with the poor. "Neglects the unjust present for some, Christianity of the future."

Who is Jesus? "Jesus's death is unique because he historizes the suffering experienced by God in all the crosses of the oppressed."

This is not Christianity. This is Marxism using Christian terms and redefining them. There is no hope in this religion. There is no hope in Obama.



When's the Wedding?
It would appear that the "Townhall Prevaricator", aka, "Robert", and "Sophie" have got quite a thing going on between them.

A match made in heaven - two leftists with much in common, especially their BDS.

Will Sophie wear white?

Primus54
Let's only hope they don't reproduce...those kids would be FUBAR!

Now Primus: Be nice! You know about

Micheline.."Robert's" blowup "Wonder Women."

Now, you apologize to ol' "what's her name" for giving her false hopes!




It's Up to Every Single One of Us
It's up to every single one of us to start working RIGHT NOWWWWWW on making damn sure Obama doesn't wind up being the next POTUS. Let's not get too comfortable against this particular paper tiger. Considering his inexperience, lack of judgement, cowardice, and distasteful friends and associates, it's amazing how successful Obama has been. He's incredibly lucky with the help of the MSM) not to have been kicked to the curb already; consider a white candidate with these same flaws? Gone with the wind, and yet Obama is "untouchable." Politically disinterested Americans might not find out who Obama is until it's too late. The Silent Majority absolutely MUST show up on Election Day in November and ROAR again. It's much more critical than the election of 2004; we can pretty much guess where America would be right now if Kerry had won.

We don't need Pro-McCain bumperstickers and yard signs; we need Anti-Obamachrist ones. America can't afford a close vote in November-- It HAS to be McCain by a landslide, just to be damn sure the electoral college doesn't do anything against the overwhelming will of the people. As soon as Obama would get behind the wheel, he would certainly drive America into the nearest tree at full speed. God help us, sincerely.

The Black Vote.
The Democratic Party is afraid of loosing their monopoly on the black vote. 90% of black people are voting for Obama because he is a Democrat. The assured black vote enables the Democrats to get away with their extreme liberal agenda. Why is the Democratic Party always assured of the black vote?

Icedog
Not to worry - they're leftists & pro choice.

Besides, reproduction requires egg fertilization. And we all know Robert has no testicles.

primus
sophie a tranny. So she's probably more of a man than wobbie but what the hey perhaps after inflatables perhpas he might like the new lifestyle

........
The career quislings on the left promised “change” prior to taking control of congress in 06 and they delivered. Gas was approx $2.20 a gallon before they took over. Now it’s over $4. These degenerates are hell bent on crippling our economy with their failed socialist policies, they’re tripping over themselves to surrender to a bunch of primitive sandnits with kalashnikovs [but they’re ready to go nuclear on Mother Gaia, their imaginary foe]. I have to say…..liberals are such inbred cowards that they have to somehow prove to themselves they’re not terminal bedwetters so they create an imaginary enemy that they can confront. After all, Mother Gaia won’t cut their throats or behead their children. Now that’s an enemy the latte sipping pansies are willing to confront. And the liberal idiots [redundancy] want to further fleece us with punitive taxes. The change we can expect from Obama the leftwing economic and foreign policy illiterate is to reduce us to a second world status while decimating the middle class and pandering to every basketcase around the world. Change any communist would love. We'd be better off having the UN run the country.

Icedog & doug: "Robert's" posts will be
gone soon enough.

SOP to pull them because he's just so deranged!

No surprise that "Robert" is the only poster who has his posts pulled each and every day, like clock work!

Jack
1.Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

He is heading towards this. Read his PDF. The public services can mean many different things

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

This is already in place and has been. (by the liberals) The liberal agenda got this one into play, and they also want to increase the payout by the wealthy business owners who employ everyone else, making them lay off people.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

You can see this one coming a mile away from the liberals in general. “These rich people do not deserve it!” blah blah blah. Not on his agenda, but once the libs get more power. Look forward to this.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

This one they can’t do yet. They need everyone to be able to do what they want for the time being. Once they gain power, ooh boy. Just look at the fairness doctrine. Taking away freedoms.

5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

We basically have this(federal reserve) I do not think we should have this and I also believe our money should still be backed by gold.

Jack pt 2
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

The liberals are all about public this or that. I see this one coming as well.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

huhuh, you say no? does global warming ring a bell? Global warming is a tool they are using to get to this point. The oil industries don’t have freedoms because of global warming.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

All workers are received balanced benefaction…and that’s not him? Give me a break Jack

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

You really need to read his PDF, clearly his stance.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.
See here is the liberal agenda again. Education is not the federal governments job. It is the state government if any government. Another tally for Obama.


I count 7 besides the federal reserve. That means 8 overall...and he isn't close? your on crack bud.

Jack again
"Both, Communism and Marxism, centralize people into one class and call for industrial amplitude. Communism sets everyone at the same level; no upper-class people, no lower-class."

Does that sound familiar? Maybe Edwards with two America's? See thats the problem. Liberals are always trying to tear down the person that succeeds. Little do they know that when you do that, they must lay off people who work for them and the little guy gets hurt as well. Trickle down politics are right as rain and the libs have no idea, including yourself Jack.

Oh, puleeze...
Robert writes:
"...he continues to violate the UCMJ in a manner that the CJCS has specifically said is wrong...ie posting with his rank and organization.

It is upsetting."
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Our fraud "Navy Captain", Robert, just LOVES to divert attention from his own violations.

Any self-respecting military officer would not play games with the UCMJ - violating the spirit of the law while walking a tightrope on the letter.

Simply put, it matters not whether "Robert" hides behind the anonymity of his computer screen. If other posters here believe Robert is active duty military - a claim he's made himself through implication - then his many political opinions and criticisms are a violation of the spirit of the regulations.

Nice try, Robert. But you dishonor the uniform, whether you've ever worn it or not.

I'm sure many will be happy when your fast-approaching Townhall swan-song is played.

Primus: NO IMPLICATION! "Robert" STATED

numberous times that he was a Navy Capt. (among so many other things... ha ha ha ha)

We have it ALL recorded and archived. Done!

He knows his goose is cooked and he's being watched.



"Christian" Ministers
I'm just appalled at these so-called Christian ministers, Father Flegher(SP???) and Jeremiah Wright. They seem to have missed the whole message of Christianity. That Obama who has supported both men with his presence in their churches plus thousands of dollars is an affront to real Christian people.

I hope something damaging is revealed so that even the MSM can't ignore it.

RedRep

OBAMA...BHO!
How is it possible that anyone wants this man to be our next President? He makes the most ugly associations and then protects them until he is finally called out on them. MSM watches over him! His lack of judgment is not what we need in the White House! Nor do we need the America hating anti-white Michelle there either! Wake up America...do you really know who this BHO guy is anyway? Most of who follow/support him find it very hard to tell you why? OH! He is a uniter! With the kind of anti-white, America hating, Semite hating, terroristic relationships BHO has, how can he be a uniter? This action is a divider! OH! He wants to bring "Change"? I think some of us have seen the kind of "Change" he will bring to America? It is repulsive to me, to say the least! Not only does he want to bring polilitical change, that I disagree with, he wants me to overlook his poor judgment and bad associations and then he actually believes that I will buy into his lame explanations and then when he finally renounces Wright and Trinity...I'm suppose to accept it? I am so sick of the MSM giving him a pass, I want to VOMIT! Hopefully we will get it right in the general election and not listen to this smooth snake and call him out for who he really is?

Boutte from California
You think nothing of calling John McCain Names! Why would you ever degrade a person like that? You can't argue with the fact that McCain does not have the poor judgment of BHO nor the implorable associations like an anti American hater, the likes of Wright/Ayers/Phleger/Moss/Michelle. Wake up man! Do you really want this kind of poor judgment in the White House? Don't let the silver slick tongue of BHO impair your vision!Look at how many gaffs he has made! OH! Did you know we have 58 States in the Union? America is ready for a Black President and there are many better choices out there for ALL of US! BHO just isn't the right choice! Do you really want Michelle in the White House? She has only just recently been proud of America you know! She is like 44, and just realised she is proud of America since some Americans are voting for her husband? She is a raceist and an America hater by her own speeches! Notice that she has taken a very low profile since she began spewing her own hate out there!MSM is his protector. MSM would never let McCain get away with this kind of action! Please wkae up. McCain is not my choice, he is the best choice of what I have to choose from! We're Also ready for a woman President! I would vote for Hillary a million times before I would vote for the guy we all don't really know, BHO. We will find out more, you can count on it! If we knew back in January to March what we know today about BHO, he would not even be a contender, he would be out. Look at what he hasn't won since he began to implode as we found out about his poor judgments and associations! Please don't be so blind. See, you don't have to call people names to point out what they really are!

Salt CA.
Loved your post. Couldn't agree more!

Great Piece as Always, David
It makes me sad that adults can sit in a Church supposedly preaching the message of love of Jesus Christ, and listen to the hate speech of Wright and Fleiger(sp) and respond so approvingly. But again, this is not hate speech under our Congress' legislation, because it maligns whites, not blacks. Just shows what "all men are created equal" now means to the anointed ones in Washington.

Another comment on Robert
If you go to one of my old blogs, you will note some advice about Robert and lilly, another poster on this site. If you want a view of Robert, just do a search using Google of "Robert Location: TX" and site:www.townhall.com. Robert posts nearly the same bilge (that is a Navy term, Robert, so you might have to look it up) in response to others' columns. You will note that Robert's name is not underlined in his posts, which means that he does not have his own blog. In other words, Robert is a little boy who can post multiple times per day on other peoples' posts, and post off topic, but does not have the intestinal fortitude to post his own blog, because he is afraid people will not pay attention to it. More fun to carpet bomb these blogs.

The blank look of "change"
I don't understand the dolts standing behind him holding their "change" signs with blank looks on their faces.

Limbaugh doesn't get reality
The overwhelming tenor of the conservative posts on this thread is disturbing in that the basic problems of America are not so subtle that we could expect a conservative of average intelligence to miss them. The problem here is that people are talking about the "CONSERVATIVE MYTH OF AMERICA" instead of seeing the reality of America. The conservative myth of America is to wrap yourself in God, the flag, motherhood and apple pie, then stick your head in the ground and declare that you've never had it so good.

Conservatives set up an "ought" situation rather than an "is" situation. Take religion. The religions in America are at odds with each other and always have been and it's been nasty.
Jews, Mormons and Catholics have always been persecuted. Conservatives like to pretend there is a unity in religion when there is none and never has been. So black liberation theology has just come to conservatives' attention. It's been there. You just didn't want to pay attention to it. You preferred sticking your heads in the ground.

purpose of BLT
The purpose of Black Liberation Theology is to help black people. The decendants of slaves and victims of Jim Crow need a different frame of mind than those are not decendants of slaves and discrimination. Must you try to contol everything, even the way people worship? Is imperialism an inherited trait? Is it ensconched in your Western DNA? It is not racist because Black Liberation Theology does not believe white people are inferior. No one cries racism more than conservatives. Obama seems like a very nice man.

PL
You really have no idea do you. How have Jews been persecuted here? The Jews own so many business around this country its amazing. Many of the actors and actresses are Jews. Saying they were persecuted does not mean they actually were.

Catholics. Give me some proof they were as well. I seem to see many Catholic churches around without having problems.

See, this is what liberals do. Separate people into sects so they can bicker among themselves and then the liberals try to gain each sect with one issue. The people never unite against them for oppressing them and soon....we are socialist/communist.

I know PL would looove that, but history is not on his side.

neoreconstructionist- really...what if the KKK made itself a religion in which they were Christians who only helped white people. Would they hear an outcry? Most definitely!!! See, you liberals just have a double standard when it comes to anything on your side of the aisle. And for the record, because he SEEMS like a nice man to you means nothing. I don't vote on how a guys SEEMS, I vote because of what he will do in office! Another trait the liberals seem to ignore when voting

Proud Lib and Reality
__"So black liberation theology has just come to conservatives' attention. Its been there." An offshoot of Critical Race Theory studied by both Barack and his wife. Both of which are of theory, mr. or ms. Proud Liberal. It "is" what it "is", and you will find your so called "CONSERVATIVE MYTH OF AMERICA" to be actually based on the "reality of America", and the republican principles of Americas foundation. Not a bit of unproven theory in that fact, just a proven example of how we became such a great nation. While you try to prove your theory by bringing up the subject of religion, and its various denominations persecuting each other, you actually prove the republican principles of this nation work. All co-exist to practice their beliefs, despite sometimes varying, sometimes equal practices, and have grown, or diminished, accordingly. One core belief the groups you put forth is the fact that, in each, their is one God taught, one Love taught, inclusive of every race. Much the same way this nations republican principles insure, we are "One nation" of varying races, varying passions, inclusive of one another for the good of the whole congregation. What Obama has learned, where a great amount of his support comes from, and the "change" he spouts is not of inclusion, but of entitlement. It is, what it is, P.L., and this Republics principles assisted in bring these disparities to the forefront.

CK Hooter
Dude, you wrote:

"Im not going to go through and find quotes either as you would love me to. Anyone who has read that would know exactly what Im talking about. Perhaps you its time to checked out what Obama really wants to do with this country."

AS I wrote before, your is the response of somebody who knows full well he has no evidence to contribute to the discussion. Saying "anybody who has XYX would know exactly..." is a load of crap.

I have read what's available and I don't see anything like what you suggest. When someone make an iffirmative claim they have the repsonsibility of providing the evidence. Come on, be a real conservative. Don't shirk your personal responsibility.

Jack
Seriously, are you that ignorant? Why waste my time proving myself to you when you are a lost cause? I simply pointed you to where you need to go to educate yourself, yet you refuse. Get a clue, your opinion means nothing to me. I know the facts and have directed anyone wanting to learn them in the right direction.

Sophie...You show me one black person alive that was a slave and Ill pay reprimands. Otherwise, you have no case. I did nothing wrong. Just because, due to LBJ, many blacks choose to not get married and live on welfare is not my problem. They are very able bodied to do whatever they like and they choose not to succeed. I owe them nothing.
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