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Wednesday, May 28, 2008
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
McCain Takes Obama to School on Iraq
by David Limbaugh
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On Monday, John McCain wisely urged Barack Obama to join him in visiting Iraq, something Obama hasn't done since 2006, when he declared the war lost. This is exactly what McCain ought to be doing: taking it to Obama on an issue that appears to favor Obama but in reality favors McCain.

In thrashing President Bush over Iraq since before we invaded, the mainstream media and the Democratic Party have succeeded in convincing much of the public that the war is a failure and that we must withdraw immediately. The propaganda effort has been so relentless that this perception remains to a great extent, even after the dramatic turnaround occasioned by the surge. But this is primarily because the media do their best to suppress any good news coming out of Iraq.

According to Karlyn Bowman, a public opinion researcher at American Enterprise Institute, while polls indicate a majority of Americans believe the war in Iraq was a mistake (also thanks to the Dems and the MSM), they also believe substantial progress has been made because of the surge. Surprisingly -- you'd never hear this emphasized by the MSM -- only 18 to 20 percent of Americans consistently say we should remove our troops now.

A Quinnipiac University poll conducted May 8-12 basically validates Bowman, saying 22 percent believe we should withdraw ASAP, compared to 48 percent who believe we should set a timetable and 28 percent who insist we should keep troops there as long as needed.

Admittedly, different polls show different results, largely because of the wording of the questions. An ABC News/Washington Post poll, for example, asked, "Do you think the United States should keep its military forces in Iraq until civil order is restored there, even if that means continued U.S. military casualties?" It's not surprising that only 41 percent answered yes because respondents, in order to answer affirmatively, were forced to say they favored a scenario that would lead to American casualties.

Can you imagine what public opinion would look like if the MSM were closer to neutrality on this issue and the Democratic Party were dedicated to the long-term best interests of the United States instead of its own partisan aggrandizement?

But even with the propaganda against the war and in favor of immediate withdrawal, a significant majority of Americans understand we do have a major stake in Iraq and that you can't precipitously withdraw without negative consequences.

These mixed poll results show at the very least that a significant number of Americans are open-minded and receptive to the notion that our national interest demands we remain there until we establish substantial order and that Iraqi security forces be able to maintain that order upon our withdrawal.

It's gratifying that John McCain is willing to make that case. He needs to make it every day, unapologetically, and smoke out Obama and the Democrats on their reckless recommendation that we withdraw immediately irrespective of the consequences.

The problem for Obama and Democrats on Iraq is that their worldview doesn't permit them to view Iraq favorably, facts be damned, because they don't believe in the mission, and they don't understand we are truly fighting our enemy in Iraq.

Iraq -- as al-Qaida makes clear every day -- is the primary battleground in the war on terror, and we are defeating al-Qaida there as we speak. Obama and company insist against reality that for all practical purposes, our enemy is focused solely in Afghanistan, presumably because the 9/11 hijackers trained there.

Obama, for example, has made clear that withdrawing from Iraq will "make the American people safer" and that he would institute an immediate withdrawal, even if our commanders on the ground tell him such a course would be disastrous.

This unspeakably arrogant position is embarrassingly wrongheaded, and McCain must continue to articulate that our effort in Iraq is central to our successful prosecution of the war. Indeed, it's difficult to understand how reasonable people can divorce one from the other -- yet the entire Democratic Party and the MSM do so routinely.

As others have noted, with his current gaffe-per-day performance, Obama is revealing himself to be quite the neophyte on foreign policy. John McCain needs to fix on and exploit that weakness and, conversely, showcase his own strength in this area.

McCain's tough and direct statement that Obama "really has no experience or knowledge or judgment about the issue of Iraq, and he has wanted to surrender for a long time" is a refreshingly promising start and one he ought to build on through November. Ultimately, America's security depends on it.

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100 Years of War
Might try reading Pat Buchanan's take on McCain...and as a former 45 year Arizona resident who has seen Senator McCain betray his constituents time and again (more lives have been lost due to the open border situation than all those so far in 9/11 and Iraq, and 9/11 was a direct result of Bush/McCain 'open borders' and visa and immigration policies to begin with. Senator McCain's fellow Arizonans are living in a war zone right now, the likes of which far exceed Iraq, although not making near the headlines.

Sorry, we went in there under false pretenses, there were no 'nukes,' and Iraq is no real threat to us, except that our country let these bastards in to begin with - we can't afford it, in both blood and treasure...

And if this 'surge' is working, could have fooled me. This 'war' is unconstitutional and not a redress of 9/11 at all.....

I guess to those that still support it, any old war is a 'good war,' such as Senator McCain (who profited tremendously eventually even with the Viet Nam war when relations were restored - with the great 'Budweiser' trade deal.

Sick man, very sick.

lies
I have never seen people more enamored of failure than left leaning democrats (pretty much all of them now). From the moment US soldiers marched into Iraq there has been a non-stop diatribe of criticism coupled with claims of incompetence coming from every left leaning source. Interestingly, when the surge started, the news from Iraq pretty much ended. Anyone paying any attention at all could easily deduce that maybe things were starting to turn around. Instead, people on the left, because there were no reports coming from the cheerleaders of failure to tell them what to think, pretty much remained stuck in the past where they could bask in the glow of their belief in American incompetence. Of what benefit would it be for the US to pull out of Iraq? The die is cast. Let's see this thing through.

Will Nobama please enumerate for us ...
the number of times he negotiated his way out of Chicago South Side gang wars?

Sorry...
Geek, not greek!
I'll clean my glasses.

Ratas, Retired Greek, David, Rush...
Thanks. My post was in part designed to foster more unity behind our only real hope to win this thing. I know there are some painful moments between him and us. Believe me.
None of us are perfect.
And John is not the perfect conservative.
Granted.
But he is our man this time. Period.
Get on board. Come out from behind the smoke of minutea and help us win this thing.
Keep your eyes on the bigger picture.
He's our man this time.
Now is the time to show it.
I'm telling you. History is telling you. We need to win this thing. Keep that foremost from here on.
We need to win this.

Retired...
Whoa... I had a Korean drill sergeant in boot camp.
He was tough... Despite his small size, he was beyond tough.
When he threatened to rip your lungs out you had not the slightest doubt that he could do it.
But what a great friend and leader he was.
We loved that guy. I'de do anything for him.
To think those of his kind would hold the Scots in such high esteem is humbling.

Weren't
the Scots referred by the Germans in W W 1 as the ladies from H...? They hated seeing them on the battlefield. I guess I'm a mixture of U.K. blood, English, Irish, Scot and Welsh.
If my family names are anything to go by, and my moms and grandparents both sides birthplaces.

I never thought back in the 60's & early 70's
we'd see a redux of useful idiots as we see populating the DemonRAT party. And to have
one as their nominee is mindboggling..maybe that's it..too many trips down LSD lane, brain
doesn't hit all connections, therefore perpetual adolescence.

I would be very surprised if Barack Hussein Obama took McCain up on his invitation. This is a guy that is scared silly of his wife, ya think he'd have the guts to go in a war zone?
I hope McCain keeps hammering him on it.

Obama better than McCain on Iraq
I'm no left-winger and I have no use for Obama's liberal/leftist domestic policies (though I'm not happy with McCain's domestic ideas either). But on Iraq and foreign/military policy, I think McCain is wrong and Obama is right, or closer to being right than McCain is. Invading and occupying Iraq was a mistake, a well-intentioned but disastrous mistake. Maybe we are now "winning" in Iraq as the war hawks claim, or maybe not. But even if we "win," I see no prospect of any result but a Pyrrhic victory, one that will cost the United States of America far more than it will ever gain in return.

There may be some merit to the argument that leaving Iraq under conditions of "defeat" will damage America. But will it help to exhaust still more of our military and economic resources for the next several years and then have to leave anyway? I might support a candidate who acknowledged the basic Iraq mistake but was willing to stay another 2-3 years (not 5 years until 2013, let alone 100n years) in order to obtain a more tolerable outcome. But McCain still thinks Iraq was a good idea in the first place, he wants an open-ended commitment to stay in Iraq almost litally forever, and he seems to want still more wars like it, in Iran and perhaps elsewhere. No thank you.

I do't imagine Obama's foreign policy will be perfect, but at least he understands that a mistake was made and is less likely than McCain to make the same mistake again.

MR. SURRENDER
Barack Hussein Obama.

I keep wondering what those doping "Yes We Can" signs really mean.

Do they mean:

Yes We Can have a mosque on every street corner in America? (His surrender policy would move that right along.)

Yes We Can make upper, Middle Class Americans pay higher taxes than anyone can imagine? (This guy hates the white working class so that's a given.)

Yes We Can have the most liberal,far left government in the history of America? (They don't come more liberal than Obama so that's another given.)


How 'bout this:

Yes We Can keep Barack Hussein Obama out of the White House.

I like that sign.

Whatever
If the decision to wage war in Iraq -- a policy that McCain supported -- is reflective of someone with great wisdom and experience, then why have things turned out so poorly? Limbaugh can trump McCain's "experience" all he wants, but at the end of the day people policies by their results and in Iraq -- despite the supposed success of the "surge" -- things are not going well. By this I don't mean that the "surge" has not quelled some of the violence or helped diminish the sectarian conflict, but the surge has done nothing to assure Americans that we will ultimately "win" in Iraq or actually achieve something that is in the national interest.

It is telling that Limbaugh never defines "winning," never articulates a strategy that will lead to "winning," and doesn't understand that things have gone poorly in Iraq -- it's not just a media myth.

McCain has backed away from claiming we may need to stay in Iraq for 100 years, and now proclaims we will be out by 2013. How could McCain possibly know this? He can't -- he's trying to assure Americans of something Limbaugh detests -- a timetable -- because Americans have rightfully given up on this war and there is no political future for those who continue to defend this errant war.

wobbie translations...



wobbie translations...

For your edification, I have translated a few of wobbie's more common phrases.

Before you skip on, let me give you a few of MY qualifications.

I was the main military decoder during WWI, WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam.
Sherlock Holmes and I discussed this just last night and ^(*^%&%#@@

OH NO ! OH NO ! I am doomed! I spent too much time in wobbie's head !!
Save Me, save me....

~~~

Not 'Naval' Captain, he meant 'Navel' Captain.

'later/latter' = Off to Wiki, to copy-paste several articles of 'smart-stuff'

'Night rounds' = i heard a mouse squeek and so, upstairs to mommy

'New Girl Friend' = mommy found inflatable doll at garage sale (slightly used)

'Went Flying' = my cousin told me to sniff 'this' and you can fly

'My Net Friend' = That nice Hul Donkypoo who keeps asking me for a date

'Smart People' = Hul Donkypoo, Daft, Butte, Peachbus, Athie Provo, Kinky L, Mydoggy,

'Code Pink' = My favorite people, and pink my favorite color (see my panties)

'Best President' = Bill C. ( That Monica makes me sooo jealous. )

'Best Game' = When Hul and I pretend to be each other. LMAO

'Off for lunch' = Check navel for leftovers. I'm Captain of my navel.

'Bedtime' = "Hi, Hul, come on in. Let's play 'Bite The Pillow'."

' 4F ' = Turns me on. "Hul, let me smell that again."




for Kimberly
Kimberly writes: "Who needs war cheerleading from the 'front' telling us lies as we watch in real time the truth?"

So why are you opposed to Obama going with McCain to Iraq? If Obama reported to the American people on what he personally witnessed in Iraq, would you disbelieve him too?

What are you afraid of? Are you afraid your candidate will see something inconsistent with your preconceived notions?

Here's a clue: Obama is running for COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF. If he wins the election, the Iraq War will become HIS responsibility. Why shouldn't he want to fly out there and see it for himself?

You liberals are so used to being antiwar protesters, you won't know what to do with yourselves when Ahmedinijad or Chavez says "Death to America!" Then we're going to be counting on YOU to stand up for America, not protesting it!

I have an idea for McCain's
election campaign.

A lot of people of voting age today do not remember or never saw the pitiful films of Vietnamese people running after American planes and trying to board or hanging onto the planes even after they took to the air because they feared the coming blood bath after American troops left Vietnam.

McCain should air these film clips in his presidential campaign and ask the public if this is what they want to see in Iraq?

It would outrage the Obama camp and I’m sure make a big impression on a lot of younger voters.

McCain Needs to hammer Obama Policy
David:

Amen. I would add that despite Obama and Howard Dean's insane but not suprising declarations that certain topics about Obama are off limits (i.e. his specific foreign policy) which are what they would call "the issues", McCain needs to ignore such declarations (which of course will be seconded by the mainstream media)and absolutely hammer and hammer Obama on his inexperience and naivity on foreign policy. McCain can do this despite the mainstream media's complicity in the declared back out of such issues -- it will resonate with the American public. And can do this by unmistakenly and unapologetically going after the media for being complicent w/ the Obama/Dean strategy.

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Willi:
Has the Doofus been here lately? I have not seen a Doofusism in quite some time.

WINNING AGAINST OPIUM
American marines after months of trying finally succeeded in getting into southern regions of Afghanistan, regions under the direct control of war lords. they found thousands and thousand of acres growing poppy plants, the plants that produce opium one of the stated goals of the Bush administration was decreasing the amoun t of opiumcoming from Afghanistan, so marines were anxious to get to burning the fields. they were ordered not to and have been ordered not to til this day. nobody knows why. except they have found out that the field are guarded by Al-Qaeda by their soldiers to earn money for everyday living expenses for Al-Qaed Wonder who is making all the money. maybeits going to the RNC and mccain campaign. I understand they are both a little short.

Georgetwin
Hussein of the USA, a hardcore liberal to his very soul, would turn the greatest nation on the face of the earth into a third world country.

All the dreams of the America left, who hate
this country with a passion and desire it to be nothing more than second rate, would come true if Obama wins.

Mr. Surrender, Surrender, Surrender aka, Barack Hussein Obama is the candidate the left has been waiting for. He represents a danger to this country.


Georgetwin
Sounds like our favorite passed over Light Colonel. He won't confront Ollie North face to face and tell him he violated his oath as a Marine Corps officer.

WilliB-RGeek
Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama's Foreign Policy Positions are ALWAYS based on that Cherished Liberal Value: COWARDICE!

What American knows that McCain doesn't
Iraq is not a win/lose, traditional military scenario. A war on terror is like a war on gangs, a police presence is not going to eliminate them. As Cheney said so eloquently in is remarks in '94, explaining why we did not go in after Saddam; 'It would have destabilized the country and region. If you remove Saddam, there will be an internal struggle for power. Syria, Iran all have designs on Iraqi territory. Turkish interests would also be compromised. In short it would be a "quagmire" and come at too high a cost in American lives and resources.'
To bad Dick suffers from amnesia. Unfortunately, Mr. Limbaugh suffers from brother envy and dementia.

Rasta
Excellent Post. You may want to ask Hul about his experience at Shaw AFB when he got into a verbal altercation with a Southern pilot. When the pilot challenged him to step outside to settle it, Hul tucked his tail between his legs and went crying to the Base Commander.

#8 McClellan
was the name of the general that Lincoln put in charge of winning the War Between the States. He wouldn't leave DC for months. After he did leave DC, he stopped a short distance away and cried to Lincoln that he needed reinforcements. The Rebs had 30,000 troops, and McClellan had 100,000 troops which he marched into a Rebel ambush. After he finally won a battle, he let the Rebs get away.
In 1864, he was the Democrat candidate for President, running on a platform of undoing all that had been achieved, repealing the Emancipation Proclamation. This is what the Dems have attacking Bush.

KimBat
Yes, we really "watch the truth at home" instead of relying on first hand accounts.

For you the "truth" is that terrorist exploding a bomb on a little child instead of the school being built down the street. Your "truth" is another car bomb driven by mentally challenged people instead of the water plant going back into operation. Your truth ignores the many clinics set up by our service members for the Iraqis. Your "truth" ignores the fact that the Iraqi military comported itself with resolve and competence in Basra.

Keep your "truth" and leave the war and the reconstruction to the professionals.

Thank You, David.
Excellent column.

The MSM and their anointed one, Obama, continue to show contempt for the American people.

MSM pounds away, keeping their anti-Terrorist War slant running 24-7. We know what's best for you, they tell the American people. Obama, the John "I Surrender" Edwards clone, minus the hair, continues to be what's he always been. Yep. You guessed it. The empty suit, who hasn't a clue concerning the danger facing this nation. He continues to insult our intelligence with mindless slogans that mean nothing. But behind the "Yes We Can" crap he actually does have three ideas. Here they are in order. SURRENDER, SURRENDER AND SURRENDER.

McShame
Last time McCain went to Iraq, he came back with a bunch of lies. The market he went to, btw, is now in the hands of Sadr militia. He also told people that Petreaus goes around all the time unprotected!

Obama and his Foreign Policy adviser
It is not just that Jimmy Carter with his policy of appeasement and his attempts to turn militant Islam into a tool of foreign policy, but together Jimmy Carter and his portentous national security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski they created an international network, with secretly authorized funds of $500 million, that would serve to spread Islamism in Central Asia and therefore “destabilize” the Soviet Union. The CIA called this “Operation Cyclone,” and in the following years poured over $4 billion into setting up Islamic training schools in
Pakistan (hence the “Taliban” movement, which means “student”). The result of their opprobriums has been considerably more formidable than “a few stirred up Muslims.”

This is the same man who is now the main policy adviser to Obama.






libertyworld Right On
Our Scottish ancestors were Warriors!

My brother-in-law who served as a Marine in Korea said often that the Scottish Warrior was feared by the Koreans and Chinese more than any other force.

We need our modern day Scottish Warriors to strike fear in the heart of the Islamofacist terrorists!

Obama and Iraq position du jour II
2004 "I'm always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought [the war] was such a bad idea was that I didn't have the benefit of U.S. intelligence," The New Yorker

November 2005 speech, he called for a gradual withdrawal of forces. "Notice that I say 'reduce,' and not 'fully withdraw [troops]'"

December, 2005), "It is arguable that the best politics going into '06 would be a clear, succinct message: 'Let's bring our troops home...But whether that's the best policy right now, I don't feel comfortable saying it is." Chicago Tribune

July 2007 "Presidential hopeful Barack Obama said the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn't a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there."

March, 2008 Obama's website states, "Obama will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months."

March 7, 2008 Obama's then key foreign policy advisor Samantha Power, spoke on the commitment to get combat forces out in 16 months. "You can't make a commitment in March 2008 about what circumstances will be like in January of 2009."


Obama and Iraq position du jour I
October 2, 2002, Chicago Wearing a war is not an option pin, Obama called to the crowd," The Iraq war is a dumb war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle, but on politics."

When America was obtaining clear victories on the ground in Iraq, Obama wrote in The Audacity of Hope, "I began to suspect that I might have been wrong [about the war]"

On March 28, 2003, on CNN, Obama claimed, "I absolutely want to make sure that the troops have sufficient support to be able to win."

At the Democratic National Convention that July, 2004, his only mention of the war was, "There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and patriots who supported it."

July, 2004 "The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster...It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died. . . . It would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective.".

July 26, 2004 "I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don't know." The New York Times

John McCain taking obama
to Iraq would be like a daddy taking his little boy to a Navy ship open house, he can marvel at the big guns and other technology of which he is completely ignorant.

Obama and the naive fools who support him seem to think they are watching a James Bond movie instead of a war on terror against people who want to kill us to advance their sick "religion" throughout the entire world.

JSM is the only man running who understands this threat to our existance and who has the knowledge gained through many years of Naval service to confront it. To even consider anyone else is foolish in the extreme, but liberals were never known for their common sense anyway. Their stance against drilling for oil in our own back-yard while we run the economy into the ground worrying about caribou tells me all I need to know about their intelligence.

McClellan whacks Bush, White House

Exclusive: McClellan whacks Bush, White House
Bush out of control?

Politico-Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan writes in a surprisingly scathing memoir to be published next week that President Bush “veered terribly off course,” was not “open and forthright on Iraq,” and took a “permanent campaign approach” to governing at the expense of candor and competence.

Among the most explosive revelations in the 341-page book, titled “What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington’s Culture of Deception” (Public Affairs, $27.95):

• McClellan charges that Bush relied on “propaganda” to sell the war.

• He says the White House press corps was too easy on the administration during the run-up to the war.

• He admits that some of his own assertions from the briefing room podium turned out to be “badly misguided.”

read more

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/exclusive-mcclella n-whacks-bush-white-house

sticky
Foreign policy experince is not gained from serving in the MILITARYit however gained by understanding those we oppose and why they oppose us. However a word to the wise, KEEP YOUR FRIENDS CLOSE AND YOUR ENEMIES CLOSER.

Obama, travelling with MC to IRAQ will truly highlight that the world will be much better off with the USA NOT PRETENDING ITS WINNING A WAR THATS SEE OUR YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN DIE EVERY DAY AND Canidate with his stuck up SO FAR UP HIS B U T T saying we will stay until we win, what a moron.

withdrawel from iraw
Mccain is having a problem going after obana on the troop withfdrawel question, because although obama did say he would withdraw within 6 months. Mccain lost the advantage he had on this issue, when in his speeehch on 5-15 he predicted that the troops would be home before the end of his first term, Bothhave now established timetables for troop withdrawel
the speech referred to is becoming a nightmare for Mccain and his handlers. Between foretelling the future on the end of the war and killing of osama and establising a fat cabinet. they are beginning to dread the day of the first debate when they are sure they will see obama enter the stage, take his position, with an ovbious copy of that speech in his hand. nobady here looks, forward to extensive questioning on the matters spoke about.

libertyworld

Do you remember the German's name for us in The Great War, later known as World War I?

The Scotsmen were "The Ladies From Hell"!

A fine tribute given the source, (more of my ancestors), but even they underestimated the grit, the integrity, and the determination of one who will not be defeated.

libertyworld


libertyworld
Location: CA

Reply # 5
Date: May 28, 2008 - 3:53 AM EST Subject: That's right!
Senator McCain. John my friend... Listen up. David is right. More even than he knows.
Our roots go back a long way, yours and mine. Robert The Bruce. David The 1st. Somerled. Fergus Mor Mac Erc, First King and the very Father of Scotland.
These are deep roots. Good, strong and capable.
Not easily defeated. You have done well, all things considered. A tribute to your heritage.
Your forefathers and mine and all who have stood tall and determined through time and against great odds... We are with you and we need you. The free world needs you. Be strong my friend. There is a time to be a gentleman and a time to win, and this is a time to win.
We are with you. God bless you John. God bless us all. Sincerely, Ian Fergus McConnell.
~~~~~~

I too, share some of your roots.

Nice tribute, even though, any individual of any clan, may or may not show aberrations, that are usually taken care of, by the clan elders.

And, you are absolutely dead on target, when you say they are not easily defeated!

Even Hadrian's Wall did not stop us.

The only thing that ever gave us, even a temporary setback was TREACHERY!

We have never been totally defeated on the battlefield, given equal, or anwhere near equal, odds!

You others, kindly reflect upon this. Go smoke a pipe, Then delve into history, contemplate, and thank your stars, you never met Scots on the battlefield.


That's right!
Senator McCain. John my friend... Listen up. David is right. More even than he knows.
Our roots go back a long way, yours and mine. Robert The Bruce. David The 1st. Somerled. Fergus Mor Mac Erc, First King and the very Father of Scotland.
These are deep roots. Good, strong and capable.
Not easily defeated. You have done well, all things considered. A tribute to your heritage.
Your forefathers and mine and all who have stood tall and determined through time and against great odds... We are with you and we need you. The free world needs you. Be strong my friend. There is a time to be a gentleman and a time to win, and this is a time to win.
We are with you. God bless you John. God bless us all. Sincerely, Ian Fergus McConnell.






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