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Friday, May 02, 2008
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
'Willful Blindness' to the Jihad
by David Limbaugh
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You might expect the lead prosecutor against the mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing to tout the criminal justice system as the premier strategy to fight terrorism. If so, you're wrong.

It is precisely because of Andy McCarthy's experience in that capacity that he understands -- in a way others can't -- the crippling limitations of law enforcement and criminal prosecutions in combating global terrorism.

Though he led the Justice Department prosecution team that convicted Omar Abdel Rahman, the "Blind Sheik," McCarthy is painfully aware that "as a class, baby-boom attorneys know nothing of war. Prosecutors included." Even this successful effort left way too many militants in place and encouraged the idea that they could attack us with impunity.

The entire orientation of the criminal justice system is to protect the rights of innocents, affording the accused due process and a litany of other constitutional protections. But we are at war with an enemy who doesn't fight wars according to conventional rules. If we continue to treat them as criminal suspects rather than enemy combatants, they'll always be many steps ahead of us in a war that only they are fighting. While our government frets over their constitutional rights -- rights to which enemy combatants have never been historically entitled -- it abdicates its duty to protect American lives.

Before the 9/11 attacks, we simply did not understand that Islamic terrorists had declared war against the United States and that to have any chance in this war, we'd have to engage them militarily.

But even today, partly because of our successes in fighting the war, a good portion of our society won't or can't see we are at war. Among those realistic enough to recognize we are at war, far too many think we can pacify the terrorists if we'll just engage in smarter diplomacy, reform our "imperialistic" impulses and otherwise alter our foreign policy.

In his book, "Willful Blindness: A Memoir of the Jihad," McCarthy debunks these myths and makes a compelling case -- sure to drive the purveyors of political correctness to apoplectic distraction -- that the Islamic jihadist enemy we face isn't at war with us because of our geopolitical malfeasance or this or that indignity we've allegedly visited upon them.

Their hostility, their aggression, their bellicosity, indeed their brutality, argues McCarthy, springs from Islam itself and its sacred writings. Indeed, the primary cause of Islamic terrorism, he says, is Muslim doctrine.

Islamic terrorists, he says, aren't some fringe group of violent radicals who have hijacked a religion of peace. While the violent ones are a minority, they are a frightfully significant one in a religion whose membership is about 1.4 billion.

Even many of the so-called moderate Muslims, he notes, share many of the radicals' goals, if not their deadly methods. These nonviolent Muslims are often sympathetic to what McCarthy calls "soft jihad," which includes promoting the Islamization of our culture, the adoption of Shariah law, sensitivity training for our law enforcement officers and the like. The "moderates" often defer to the jihadists, especially in theological matters, because of their erudition and command of the scriptures.

It would be bad enough if many Americans had their heads in the sand about the true nature and threat of Islamic terrorism. But sadly, our domestic law enforcement and intelligence communities also have a history of failing to take jihadism seriously. If you don't understand the enemy, you cannot begin to fight it effectively.

If Muslim doctrine is the ultimate source of the jihadist threat against us, we must take that into account in formulating our security doctrine, such as punishing states that enable the exportation of the most radical, violent strains of Islam and refusing to tolerate their terrorist sanctuaries. While McCarthy doesn't advocate profiling, he does say we can't treat a person's ideology as irrelevant.

Instead of approaching the war tentatively, we must be aggressive, offensive and pre-emptive. And while it's fine for us to harbor the hope -- however unrealistic -- that Islam will reform itself, we must not under any circumstances apologize for who we are and who we are not. And we are not -- and don't intend to become -- an Islamic society.

McCarthy is not the garden-variety pundit pontificating about the threat of Islamic jihad based on a plethora of articles or books he's read. He became familiar with the enemy firsthand while directing the historic prosecution he relates in riveting detail in his book.

"Willful Blindness" is not only captivating -- it is sobering, even horrifying, shaking us out of our complacency and demanding we face head-on the relentlessness, unscrupulousness and implacably permanent commitment of our enemy to our total submission or destruction.

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How to stop them ...
Gen. Pershing found one way to stop them about ninty years ago in the Phillipeans. He lined up fifty of them and brought out a pig. It was killed in front of them and then the bullets the firing squad used were dipping in the pig blood. Forty nine of them were executed. A large hole was dug and all the bodies were dumped into it with the pig's body on top. Then it was filled in and the lone survivor was turned loose. No problems for fifty years.

Unfortunately, that isn't PC in today's culture.

The Russians found another way. During the kidnappings that went on about twenty years ago in Lebonon, some Russians were kidnapped. The terrorists demanded all sorts of things to release them. The Russians found out the names of a couple of the terrorists. They went to the villages the terrorists came from, gathered their entire families in the street, and shot them all. Then they informed the terrorists that if the Russian prisoners weren't released unharmed, they would do the same with all the families of all the other terrorists. They didn't have any more problems either - then.

ssgt
Just because you have been or still are in the
military doesn't mean that you need to talk like
a drunken sailor.

Don't they teach you any manners in the military?
My son was at his very politest when he was in
the Marines. What did he learn that you didn't?

Democrat Solution
And of course, the Democrat soluction is to talk to our enemies, to somehow make them understand that we want to co-exist peacefully with them. Let them know that we mean them no harm. Look at Jimmy Carter; even after twenty years, he still thinks that he can convince Iran to be nice and get along with the world. The Democrats in Washington, D.C. don't want to acknowledge that we ARE at war, which is precisely why they are so dangerous to American society. To them, the Department of Homeland Security is not really so important. Democrats want to talk about our need for healthcare and more social programs for minorities.

Liberals selective memory
Hal Donahue posted (May 2 @8:45AM):

"For the guy posting as 'wobbie' why do you folks always refuse to include Reagan and the marines in Lebanon?"

I note that Wobbie also did not include Somalia/Mogidishu (Blackhawk Down). Perhaps Wobbie thought the six cases he listed (only going back to WTC in '93) made the point to any fairminded observer.

Clearly Lebanon was a disaster (Reagan said so himself). The real question is: Why did Clinton repeat the same mistake years later in Somalia when the consequences were so apparent? Osama bin Laden has stated the the USA's retreat in Somalia proves we are just "paper tigers" (my words).


Hal
I think you're delusional.

The US is the greatest economic and military power that the world has ever seen. It's not even close. We're about 25% of the global economy, and probably about 50-75% of global military power.

We have allies. Japan, Germany, Britain, France, Italy, Canada, Australia, Korea, Turkey, the rest of NATO. Where have you been?

Sure, they don't all join us in every conflict. Britain, Australia and Poland still have active troops in Iraq.

It's probably useless to engage you, as you seem to have little grasp on facts. I didn't want my silence in response to your last post to be taken as agreement. I'm not going to bother responding on this post in the future (unless you give me an opening that I just can't resist).

Robert
No one likes strategic or tactical error, but it's a rare war in which no mistakes are made. Usually they're huge mistakes. Lincoln gave the Gettysburg Address after 1st Manassas, the Seven Days, 2nd Manassas, Fredericksburg and Chancellorsville.

WWI had the rape of Belgium, the Somme, the Dardanelles, Paaschendale, unrestricted U-boat war, Verdun, and the 18th of March. WWII had Norway, Dieppe and the Battle of the Bulge.

Robert
The same offer foes for you Wal-Mart Girl.

Converting waverers
While Hal may never "convert" me and Robert's smug attitude is very annoying I must say it is interesting to watch so many people throw personal insults at them while never being able (or even attmpting in most cases) to refute the evidence they present. A classic example of this was Farmer's Wife claming the democrats had the majorities in both houses of congress and are to blame for all the pork in the 2006 budget. She was backed up by several other posters. Unfortunately for her and her supporters the democrats did not actually take control of the house and senate until Jan. 2007. You do understand the fiscal year for the government runs from Oct 1-Sep. 30 and carries the year that it ends as it's designation. The budget (and all that pork your complaining about) for fiscal year 2006 was passed in 2005. But even with cold hard facts in front of them they will deny the truth. Just like Bush does. Amazing

WHAT??? Chuckes says the far right...

Losers????

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha





Wobbie says Blah Blah Blah
But as usual doesn't answer the questions asked. Gee am I ever NOT shocked.

He's even too cowardly to answer a simple question like mine.

Just MORE noise from Chuckles....


The ONLY question is, is Chuckles the one who is mentally deficient, or is he the one who is the just mental?



Hockey Mom
He ALWAYS backs up, that tells me what I need to know!

I know GT
But I just love to challenge him to back up what he says, then watch him make excuses for not being able to.

Either that or he ignores you altogether.
He's just so predictable.

Hockey Mom
Don't confuse Wobbie with facts. Wobbie & Hallerina are getting ready to play The Circle Game.

Well Wobbie
Why don't you back that up by posting a link to what Rush said about what happened in Mogadishu.

For someone who hates him so much you sure seem to know a lot about what he says. As well as using a lot of his expressions.

Hal Drunkahue
Anytime Shrillary Girlyman, I'll show you what a warrior is. If you are sober enough!

GG-AZ
",,,We’re the grown-ups, folks. We Americans are the greatest hegemonic power that the world has ever seen. "

Not true if it was we would have real allies. No the Bush Regime has moved us from the world's only super power to "power".

"We’re the inheritors of the best of Christendom, of ancient Israel, Greece, and Rome, and of the Renaissance and the Enlightenment. We’re the strongest, and we’re the best. In fact, we’re the strongest because we’re the best. "

Prove it sweetie. All I see here are crazies afraid of their own shadow....doubt me read all above. Warriors? LMAO hardley

Excellent Column David
I totally agree with you. But nothing is going to make those who wish to be blind see the threats we're facing.

The liberals who have posted here today are ample proof of that.

Marxism or Islam both hate us, Brest
The American-financed Bolshevik’s objective was not military victory over the Kaiser but the overthrow of the Russian democratic government presided over by Kerensky. The Bolsheviks, the "only one party is necessary" socialist of their times were more interested in consolidating power than winning a war. They abdicated any support for their army or victory over the Kaiser to set up a policy to overthrow their republic and taking total control of their congress, the Duma. Like the Bolsheviks, the Democrats consider themselves Plato's enlightened Philosopher Kings. They call themselves” Vanguards of the Revolution”. Democratic politicians and bureaucrats believe that they are so pure and enlightened that they must for a time rule the unenlightened proletariat and exterminate the reactionary bourgeoisie. ( To the liberals and Democrats it is the Conservative, Christian, Constitutionalist or Capitalist Caucasian male s that constitute the bourgeoisie and kulaks that need re-educated). Their progressive priority, as shown by Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton and the rest of the neo-Jacobin, Saul Alinsky disciples is one-party control. Both want a world government controlled by Marxist or Mullahs, Communist or Caliphs. Both the Islamic mullahs and the progressives are colluding, conniving and plotting to overthrow George Bush, the Republican Party and any conservative elements in America, like the armed forces. The Liberals will not be satisfied until the non-elected fellow socialist of the UN and their brutal troops acts like the Praetorian guard of the Progressive elite. (This explains their hatred of our Second amendment rights as well.)This is the goal of the Socialist INTERNATIONALE and the DNC

Off topic, part 2
Maybe it's impossible, maybe not. A lot of people say that the Arabs and/or Muslims are not suited to democracy, or don't want democracy at all, or whatever. Maybe they’re right, maybe they’re wrong. People said the same things about the Germans and Japanese.

Cultural change in the Dar al-Islam is certainly a long shot. It's a hard road, and a long one.I don't like this strategy. But, like democracy itself, all of the alternatives are much worse.

We’re the grown-ups, folks. We Americans are the greatest hegemonic power that the world has ever seen. We’re the inheritors of the best of Christendom, of ancient Israel, Greece, and Rome, and of the Renaissance and the Enlightenment. We’re the strongest, and we’re the best. In fact, we’re the strongest because we’re the best.

To those who continually complain about our casualties, I say listen to President Lincoln:

“It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain.”


Off topic
We seem to have wandered pretty far off topic. I'm going to stay on track and give my two cents about Mr. Limbaugh's article.

(1) Radical Islam is an existential threat to America and Western Civilization. Mr. Limbaugh is right about this. I think that those who disagree have their heads in the sand.

(2) A law enforcement mentality is inadequate to fight sustained, organized terrorism. Mr. Limbaugh is right about this, too. We cannot wait for an attack. We need to take the fight to the enemy.

(3) A "war" mentality is needed. Mr. Limbaugh is right about this.

But how do you carry out such a war?

This is the real problem, which I don't think Mr. Limbaugh or anyone above has really addressed.

Many of you know by now that I'm a right-wing conservative. My liberal friends think I'm a bit to the right of Attila the Hun (my grandfather was actually named after him!). But I would never agree to allow military or paramilitary bands (special forces, SWAT, or whatever) to patrol America, waging "war" on the "enemy within." Is anybody seriously suggesting that if we suspect a couple of Muslim guys of plotting a terrorist attack, we should just shoot them dead in the street? Or blow up their house? No way. Never. Not in my America.

So what do we do? Send roving military bands on such hunt-and-destroy missions all over the world? You can’t do this in an allied country. This is essentially what we've done in Iraq and Afghanistan, and it means a major war, every time you want to do it.

This leaves us with just two options:

(1) Give up the "war" model. Finish things off in Iraq and return to the "law enforcement" model. This is a recipe for repeated attacks.

(2) Try to change the culture in the Middle East. This is precisely what Pres. Bush has been trying to do, since day one, in Iraq.

Obama quit dividing
I don't understand why Obama insists on dividing the black church.

I don't understand why he insists on attacking Mentor Wright who is bringing unity.

Obama has NO shame.

Mentor Wright is not discarding Obama or his grandmother.

Mentor Wright never tutored Obama on unity I guess.

Obama quit your attacks on Mentor Wright!!!!!!!

halD & Chuckes are just noise!!!
And, annoying noise at that!

Neither one of them have posted anything of any substance or intelligence since... well... FOREVER!

I don't recall either one of them posting anything that was pertinent to the column .... EVER!

One goes off an a mindless tangent, and has no clue what he's posting about, and the other just goes off, most times incoherently!!

One is mentally deficient, and the other is just mental!

The ONLY GOOD THING is that each time these noise jockeys posts, it makes TH look better and better as the "site hits" FAR exceed those on huffy-puffy and Kos...

Both of them are like "hard rock".... just noise... and nothing worthwhile to contribute.... opposed to, oh say, The Messiah.











Obama quit your attacks
I don't understand why Obama continues to damage his Mentors' career?

Obama will discard anyone I guess.

Wright hasn't abandoned Obama.

Wright is standing up for his beliefs even while under attack from Obama.

Wright is showing more character than Obama - he isn't throwing his grandmother under the bus.

MyOpine
Hey, live and learn, right? :)

AZPhil
Don't think you are the only one who has been duped into thinking you can have a serious civil debate with Wobbie.

If it makes you feel any better, He got me TWICE!
Just about everyone has been fooled at least once by Wobbie.

Farmers wife
"I do know better, but once in a while I try!"

Don't feel bad; I've fallen into the same trap with Robert. If he IS a Captain, his last name is "Kangaroo".

Ladies/Gents/Hal Drunkahue
Later!

Hal Drunkahue
I DON'T CARE where you are going, just as long as you are.

AZPhil, I guess
from the weather forecast that the sun must be shining where HalD keeps his head, you know though, makes me wonder why he keeps trying to laugh it off.

WilliB that would be because it is...
Friday!

Hal the compulsive LIAR!
Yes Hal, I know you SAID you were in the Air Force,,,BUT!

You seem to be in strong competition with Wobbie as to who can tell the most lies and the biggest lies!

Do you have a new resume to entertain us with?
Certainly you must be able to fabricate something new and entertaining?


AZPhil..
I do know better, but once in a while I try!

Sunny?
Hal D: "Off for a 3 mile walk in the sun. Enjoy your weekend."

NWS Forecast for Scranton PA follows:

Late (Friday) Afternoon: Scattered showers and thunderstorms. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 63. Southeast wind around 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 40%.

Tonight: Scattered showers. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 54. Southeast wind between 3 and 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 40%.

Saturday: A chance of showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 65. East wind 5 to 10 mph becoming south. Chance of precipitation is 30%.

Happy Hour
His Lairdship is leaving fpr "Happy Hour" a little early today. I wonder why

HalD, I see you are still...
dieting, i.e. "LMAO". You must have a real problem, because you have been trying to get rid of it for a long time now!

If you can laugh at a $108 Billion deficit reduction in one year, you wouldn't be happy if you were hung with a NEW rope.

Facts and figures can't be refuted by laughing and neither can a reduction in the size of that thing you are trying to laugh off.

Farmer's Wife
Like I did, you tried to reason with someone. Here is why it won't work:

FW: What will be the outcome...
if Dems take veto proof control of Congress?

$2.4 Trillion - ...$2,034 - the average tax increase that will hit 17 million Seniors if tax cuts expire."

H: Why will the Rs fight new tax cut legislation?

AZP: I guess someone doesn't understand "veto-proof".



FW: "44 Million - the number of married couples affected by the Marriage Penalty ...The average cost in 2000 for couples was $1,480 due to the marriage penalty.

H: See above

AZP: Yes, see above

FW: "$108 Billion - the reduction in the federal deficit in 2005 thanks to the tax cuts."

H: LMAO start at 2001 please LMAO

AZP: Cherry-pick figures, then LYAO.

FW: "Will this tax hike Democrats seek have a positive effect on America's ability to continue the war on terror?"

H: There is no war on terror. There are two wars a war against Al Q and other terrorists and a War in Iraq.

AZP: Meaningless dodging and semantics; wars cost money.

See what I mean, Farmer's Wife?

Conversion
Lumberjack wrote:

"Herr Oberstleutnant Klink could not convert the pope to Catholicism, much less a conservative to liberalism."

Before HerrOberstleutnant Klink heads for "Happy Hour" he better say "3 Our Fathers and 2 Hail Marys.
Shame on him trying to convert the Pope.

Hal
"There is no war on terror. There are two wars a war against Al Q and other terrorists and a War in Iraq."

Well.. AL Q thinks there is a war and is trying to run OPS like there is a war. We are trying to thwart them like there is a war. hmmmmm

If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck and looks like a duck.

Hal are you familiar with the term "Head up and locked"? You are a classic example.

Hal Doofus Keeps On Raving:
Myopine how many times must I tell you I am Air Force not army? LOL

My sympathy and condlences to the USAF.

Hal Doofus Keeps On Raving:
LMAO start at 2001 please LMAO

Please do something about your rampant hebrephrenia, i.e. get yourself some very strong anti-psychotics.

Lumberjack7392
You know what CONTROL FREAKS Liberals are. They would set up Government Offices to teach fish to swim and skunks to stink. The Skunk Classes would be taught by Hal Drunkahue.

Folks/MyOpine
Off for a 3 mile walk in the sun. Enjoy your weekend. I will be seeing the newest member of the family a new granddaughter. Oh her Mom is an EMT with the NYFD, yet another one of those liberal, diverse NYC folks

Myopine how many times must I tell you I am Air Force not army? LOL

AZPhil
"I remember in 1996 the news crews were raving about how great the "booming economy" was (5.6% unemployment) and how we must re-elect the guy "responsible"."

Your memory is good. People like hal and the msm have done a classic job of "moving the goal posts". Bush inherited an economy in trouble then 9/11, if it wasn't for his tax cuts we could of easily went into a long recession if not a depression. Outside of this recent down turn which is looking to be quite mild and short the Bush economy has easily been the equal if not better then the clintons.

Svpallava
Also see my 16:12.

Willi Beax writes:
Conversion
Georgetwinn wrote:

"FWife-AZPhil-Ssgt-Others
Hal Drunkahue claims he is on the lookout for folks to convert. OK Fat Drunkard, NAME ONE person you have converted other than Airhead PeterPuffer, who BTW is no great loss!"

George old friend. Are you serious when you say his Lairdship is on a mission to convert conservatives? Surely you jest. His ego is really "on fire".

Herr Oberstleutnant Klink could not convert the pope to Catholicism, much less a conservative to liberalism.

Farmer's Wife
"What will be the outcome...
if Dems take veto proof control of Congress?

$2.4 Trillion - ...$2,034 - the average tax increase that will hit 17 million Seniors if tax cuts expire."

Why will the Rs fight new tax cut legislation?

"44 Million - the number of married couples affected by the Marriage Penalty ...The average cost in 2000 for couples was $1,480 due to the marriage penalty.

See above

"$108 Billion - the reduction in the federal deficit in 2005 thanks to the tax cuts."

LMAO start at 2001 please LMAO

"Will this tax hike Democrats seek have a positive effect on America's ability to continue the war on terror?"

There is no war on terror. There are two wars a war against Al Q and other terrorists and a War in Iraq.


Farmer's Wife writes:
Lumberjack7392, I have been
asking that same question, over and over. Never get a response though.

And we won't. What's sad about the pencil pushing feather merchant is that I pay 40% of my income in taxes and he calls me a deadbeat, while he pays quite a bit less.

WilliB
See Hal Drunkahue's 3:51 PM. If he converts people as FAT as he is, The Dems REALLY WILL BE a Big Tent Party.

Knight
Whether certain people like my posts or not, they can never say "Gee, but he just spouts stuff without supporting documentation".

I remember in 1996 the news crews were raving about how great the "booming economy" was (5.6% unemployment) and how we must re-elect the guy "responsible". Now the economy is in rags, according to the same people. Amazing. Well, not really.

Willi Beax
Don't rush HalD into slinking off into the sunset so early.
He will make a cowardly parting shot first.

See if you can get him to explain why Communists want open gays in the military?

I think HalD wants to know who his playmates are.

For Georgetwin @ 16:06
Eh, that's probably where cent-percent of his converts FROM conservatism have been generated.

Lumberjack7392, I have been
asking that same question, over and over. Never get a response though.

FWife-LJ7392-Ssgt-AzPhil
The night before The Pa Primary, Hal was stumbling (drunk) past The Philadelphia Museum of Art. There was a tall guy standing at the top of the steps leading to The Museum. Hal Drunkahue struck up a conversation with him and spent 30 minutes extolling The Virtues of Shrillary Cankleton. Hal Drunkahue WAS SURE he had convinced him to vote for Shrillary Cankleton. It turns out he was talking to The Rocky Statue! LMAO!

Conversion
Georgetwinn wrote:

"FWife-AZPhil-Ssgt-Others
Hal Drunkahue claims he is on the lookout for folks to convert. OK Fat Drunkard, NAME ONE person you have converted other than Airhead PeterPuffer, who BTW is no great loss!"

George old friend. Are you serious when you say his Lairdship is on a mission to convert conservatives? Surely you jest. His ego is really "on fire".

Hal THE ENEMY COLLABORATOR!
You have proven you can "go on and on" many times over.

You have also proven you are a LIAR, over & over.

Your telling lies about our economy is boring.
Tell us some entertaining lies, like how you are invited to speak at NRA Banquets.
Post a link for that one sometime.

As to you Communists being a majority;
Why do you need to cheat to win elections?
Why then do you need to vote graveyards and household pets?
Why do you need bus loads of paid voters voting early & often all over the cities?

Why are Democrats so opposed to Voter ID?

Why do you solicit votes in prisons?
Do you feel criminals are Democrats?
Is that why Democrats try to get voting rights for prisons in States that don't have them?

YOU ARE A FRAUD Hal. An anti-American FRAUD!
And Communists are a tiny minority growing smaller every day!

Lumberjack, SSGT, MyPine, Georgetwinn
The bewitching hour is fast approaching. The Laird has one more hour for posting drivel. Maybe he's waiting for Sunshine so that they can stroll off together hand in hand.

LJ7392
Maybe he sees visions when suffering from The DT's and writes his posts from them?

HalD, I haven't noticed any...
wavering folk around here. You wrote, "That is easy learn what you think, refute what you say when needed and convert any wavering folk."

If you are really interested in promoting your agenda you might want to take a Dale Carnegie course on "How to win friends and influence people".

If you have been told once, you have been told a thousand times here at TH, that just because an R appears after a politicians name, it does not mean he/she is a conservative. I do not think that the conservatives who post here regularly have shown any love lost for many of our politicians, precisely because they do not practice what they preach and stray too often into lefty land.

As Paul Harvey would say, "Good Day"!

Knight Who Said NI writes:
AZPhil
"look it up yourself" is classic Hal. We must not forget his other fallacious arguments like argument by laziness, changing the subject and moving the goalposts like he has with unemployment rates.

There is so much more but thats good for now.

Don't forget he loves to cite his own opinion pieces on the HuffPuke as proof of his statements. Somehow, I don't see Stephen Ambrose, John Ferling, or other historians doing the same thing.

FWife-AZPhil-Ssgt-Others
Hal Drunkahue claims he is on the lookout for folks to convert. OK Fat Drunkard, NAME ONE person you have converted other than Airhead PeterPuffer, who BTW is no great loss!

Hal Doofus Keeps On Raving:
Ahh see it is liberals, moderates etc who pay taxes too.

They just want to pay less than everyone else. Hell, you are a perfect example of that. You have said as much.

AZPhil
"look it up yourself" is classic Hal. We must not forget his other fallacious arguments like argument by laziness, changing the subject and moving the goalposts like he has with unemployment rates.

There is so much more but thats good for now.

Hal Doofus writes:
Answer my question, oh all wise, all knowing pencil pusher.

FW 2
" Is is because we think rewarding mediocrity and discouraging and disparaging excellence has produced 4 or 5 generations that do not believe they can accomplish a better life for themselves without assistance?"

See there you go again blaming someone else for conservative failure. The last 80 to 100 years saw victory in WWII, the Cold War, the Space Race and built the US into the number one country in the world for medicine, science, education, economy, industry on and on it is only the last two generations at best that conservatism has damaged the country where it is not THE leader in any of the above areas.

“Do the people that pay the taxes that fund all government expenditures not deserve equal representation? Should the American tax payer just shut up, realizing that because we have the audacity to take responsibility for ourselves and our families and actually make enough money to pay taxes, we deserve to be considered too blessed?”

Ahh see it is liberals, moderates etc who pay taxes too. If you come right down to it the red states receive more federal money than blue states and the largest number of folks on the welfare rolls are in rural areas

“If calling for responsibility according to that called for in our Constitution and Bill of Rights, from our elected representatives is wrong, then what is right?”

Yes only if you don’t make up fake history to go along with it LOL.

My Opine...
not a pleasant agenda, is it?

Farmer's Wife
"...If conservatives are so irrelevant, then why waste your precious time? If our opinions are of no consequence in the bigger scheme of things, why bother?"

That is easy learn what you think, refute what you say when needed and convert any wavering folk

"You advocate government representation of all people while at the same time write off half the population."

Extreme conservatives are not half the nation. You were 30% maybe at one time but no longer. Now if you are 15 to 20 percent I would be astonished. Regular conservatives are pretty much fleeing the Republican Party and becoming independents. But even extreme conservatives should be involved in the political process so we can see where you are

"Why is that? Is it because we simply want to see some competency and efficiency displayed by our elected representatives for the trust placed in them by the people?"

You say that you want competency and efficiency but you were only able to deliver chaos and incompetence. That is why

"Is it because we expect our tax dollars to be respected and used wisely?"

see above. You had power and ran up a deficit the country has seldom seen without some positive result. You do not even want to pay your dues and are really free riders. Your parents' generation paid lots of taxes to educate, protect, build infrastructure I can go on and on but the bottomline is you soaked up all that investment and now refuse to pay your just dues for the next generation.


Reply to Farmer's Wife @ 15:42
"Will this tax hike Democrats seek have a positive effect on America's ability to continue the war on terror?"

Nope: War on Terror will be abandoned very quickly.

Plus, I think the number of married couples hit by the marriage penalty tax would now be 49 million--the 44 million you mentioned plus my own guesstimate of 5 million single on 2000/12/31 married sometime between then and 2007/12/31 (as you can guess, I fall into that category with marriage date of 2006/04/15).

Farmer's Wife writes:
Will this tax hike Democrats seek have a positive effect on America's ability to continue the war on terror?

No, but it'll make 'em feel good about spending that money on the$1 trillion in new spending that the Witch and Braindead have proposed.

Farmer's Wife
What would be the outcome of Democrats having a veto proof Congress?
This!
http://web.archive.org/web/20020215003619/www.dsausa.org/pc /pc.progag.html

What will be the outcome...
if Dems take veto proof control of Congress?

$2.4 Trillion - the overall tax increase faced by American families, seniors and businesses if the tax cuts expire.

$1,716 - the average tax increase for over 100 million Americans if tax cuts expire.

$2,034 - the average tax increase that will hit 17 million Seniors if tax cuts expire.

44 Million - the number of married couples affected by the Marriage Penalty before it was reduced by tax cuts that are due to expire, these families will be hit hard if penalty is reinstated. The average cost in 2000 for couples was $1,480 due to the marriage penalty.

$108 Billion - the reduction in the federal deficit in 2005 thanks to the tax cuts.

Will this tax hike Democrats seek have a positive effect on America's ability to continue the war on terror?




Knight
Unlike some who shall be nameless, do you notice our claims come with actual supporting information?

SSgt
"I'm from the buckeye state too! Look out for the storms on the way."

No worries - I am 2000 miles away from there. Read my handle again:)

Hal D
"Well, 4% used to be conisdered the theoretical floor, so 5% isn't too bad."

LOL US citizens need two jobs to survive and what three to live? The US is number one in hours worked and number seven in productivity. I put to you something is very wrong."

Thank you for confirming something for me. Your predicted recession is gone, and now you find 5% unemployment to be bad news. The unemployment rates for 1994-6 were, respectively 6.1, 5.6, and 5.4% (during the "boom" of the 1990s when BJ was in charge). All the news outlets cheered for his re-election in 1996 because the economy was so good.

Note (unlike some on here, I won't say "look it up yourself")

http://www.bls.gov/cps/prev_yrs.htm

Anyway, what you have inadvertently confirmed for me is that NO NEWS that occurs while GWB is in can be good news in your mind. It's okay to be partians, but this is simply ridiculous. You think we invaded Iraq for no reason, fine and dandy. But we went to Bosnia (you know when) and we still have troops there. Why again? BJ Lied, Serbs Died or something like that. In any event, now I know to avoid serious debate with you, because your hatred of Bush has you so blinded that if he said the sky was blue, you'd argue the point.


For MyOpine @ 15:25
"Evidently you are unaware that during an Air Show the Russians were so impressed with Wobbie they let him fly their aircraft!"

Was it one they wanted scrapped--and figured cheapest to let wobbie do the job?

Hal the enemy Propagandist!
You say something is wrong with America!
Is this your solution?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTI CLE_ID=41751

The biggest problem with America is Republican legislators keep kowtowing to the Communist MSM when they should be disbanding the monopolies that allow MSM to propagandize America.

The second biggest mistake is to allow hateful Enemy Jihadi like you to speak against America during wartime!

Failure to answer this question labels you an Enemy Collaborator.
If you wanted to help defeat America and cause us to loose the Iraq war just like Vietnam;
What else would you do that you are not doing right now?
As the Progressive you are RIGHT NOW, not assuming other form or hypothetical pretense.
Can you think of anything you have not done already?

MyOpine writes:
AZPhil
Evidently you are unaware that during an Air Show the Russians were so impressed with Wobbie they let him fly their aircraft!

I did not know that there were helicopter and jet plane rides in front of the G.U.M. store in Moscow.

Hal
"LOL US citizens need two jobs to survive and what three to live? The US is number one in hours worked and number seven in productivity. I put to you something is very wrong. "

Do you make this bs up as you go or are you just misled?

New York Times - 2007
"U.S. Leads Productivity Ranking"

Willi Beax writes:
PA Pork Butt
Georgetwinn wrote:

"LJ7392
What did Hal Drunkahue drink for lunch?"

Afer shave Lotion

Either that or straight Everclear.

PA Pork Butt
Georgetwinn wrote:

"LJ7392
What did Hal Drunkahue drink for lunch?"

Afer shave Lotion

FWife
So Hal Drunkahue invites more Keyboard Cowards to join him on TH. Asking Liberals to display Cowardice is pounding on an open door.

MYO
I know he is a drunkard! But I really want to send him this particular present! :-)

Doofus
what do you know about productivity? Go gack to your bottle and STHU!

Hal Doofus:
Again I ask you, how much more than the %40 of my income should I pay in taxes?

AZPhil
Evidently you are unaware that during an Air Show the Russians were so impressed with Wobbie they let him fly their aircraft!

Wobbie told us this and if it was not the truth then how would Wobbie know to tell us?

Wobbie refused to answer my question so I don't know if the Russian aircraft operated on American quarters or not.

AZPhil
I'm from the buckeye state too! Look out for the storms on the way.
I've been to WPAFB a couple times too! And yes, real pilots, not like wobbie!

SSGT
** knock knock

Hal wobbie "Who is there?"

Mrs. Clinton "Land shark."

Hal wobbie "Who?"

Mrs. Clinton "Land... Pizza Delivery"

Hal Wobbie "We didn't order any pizza"

Mrs Clinton "UPS Delivery, I have your (Common Sense for Dummies) books"

Hal wobbie "OHHHH Boy! come right in!"

Hal wobbie "Whats that ticking sound?"

Mrs Clinton "SSGT gave me a snuke to bring over"

Hal wobbie "OH NO! AHHHHHHHHHHHH"


AZPhil
"Unemployment
Well, 4% used to be conisdered the theoretical floor, so 5% isn't too bad."

LOL US citizens need two jobs to survive and what three to live? The US is number one in hours worked and number seven in productivity. I put to you something is very wrong.

SSGT
I'm from Ohio, and have been to W-PAFB.

When you say "real pilots", you mean "not like Robert"?

For Willi Beax @ 14:20
Possibly nambypamby hal doofus wasn't born (or even conceived) yet in 1939. Otherwise, you described him correctly as more "natural" for the role than Bert Lahr.

SSGT
You should be able to judge HalD's condition from the incoherence of his posts.

He is a grossly overweight alcoholic.
He is committing suicide right now by what he puts in his mouth!

You do not need to furnish anything for mercy.

AZPhil
I know some real pilots at Wright Pat that need to get some training time in. They will be more than happy to drop them off for me!

HalD writes on HuffPost...
"I troll conservative blog sites and I urge all of you to join me."

If conservatives are so irrelevant, then why waste your precious time? If our opinions are of no consequence in the bigger scheme of things, why bother?

You advocate government representation of all people while at the same time write off half the population.

Why is that? Is it because we simply want to see some competency and efficiency displayed by our elected representatives for the trust placed in them by the people? Is it because we expect our tax dollars to be respected and used wisely? Is is because we think rewarding mediocrity and discouraging and disparaging excellence has produced 4 or 5 generations that do not believe they can accomplish a better life for themselves without assistance?

Do the people that pay the taxes that fund all government expenditures not deserve equal representation? Should the American tax payer just shut up, realizing that because we have the audacity to take responsibility for ourselves and our families and actually make enough money to pay taxes, we deserve to be considered too blessed?

If calling for responsibility according to that called for in our Constitution and Bill of Rights, from our elected representatives is wrong, then what is right?

SSGT
Shipping costs on a GBU-43 will be pretty expensive:)

OK wobbie/Doofus
I would like to call for a truce. I know that we have tossed some pretty vile things back and forth, and I will be the first to say that I am sorry for it. I would like to make a token gesture of my good will, but I will need your address for it. I would like to send each of you a birthday gift with a personal note attached to it. Please accept this offer. I ran across two GBU-43/B'S that can be spared and I would like for each of you to have one. If you don't know the what a GBU-43/B is, here is another affectionate nickname for it!

MOAB

To Bad for us
British election results.
"With results still coming in from elections around England and Wales, Labour’s projected national vote share was put at just 24 per cent, trailing 20 points behind David Cameron’s Conservatives on 44 per cent, and even behind the Liberal Democrats on 25 per cent."

Europe is smartening up while we are dumbing down.

ZOINKS DOC
WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU SENDING US. I JUST LOOKED AT THE DOPPLER RADAR AND I THINK ME AND PUP WILL BE WATCHING TV IN THE BASEMENT TONIGHT! YIKES!!!

LJ7392
What did Hal Drunkahue drink for lunch?

Budget
"Did someone explain how the federal budget works to you?"

Please feel free to elaborate. If you are saying a Congress seated on 3 Jan 2007 had no role, I would say you are mistaken.

At least they don't have a recession to blame...


The spring before Slick Willie left office, the GDP grew from $9.8228T in April 2000 to $9.8621T in July 2000. This is a growth of $393B, which when divided by the April number (to get % change), yields 0.4% growth.

http://www.data360.org/dataset.aspx?Data_Set_Id=352

From January 2008-April 2008, the Fed tells us the economy grew by 0.6%.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D90C9CPG0&show_arti cle=1

PA Pork Butt
Georgetwinn!! Where do you come up with these corkers? Keep your chin up Halbert old chap. Really good show. You tried your best to audition for "A Yank in the RAF". Ty Power won out. Too bad. You could have tried for the role of the Cowardly Lion in "The Wizard of OZ". You certainly had more experience than Bert Lahr. I hope you remembered to take "Carry Out" when you left your lunch time Happy Hour. Cheerio old chap.

Mohammad said
Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24:
Narrated by Ibn 'Umar:

Mohammad said: "I have been ordered by Allah to MAKE WAR on all people until they testify that no god has the right to be worshipped except Allah, and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle.”

Hal Doofus Keeps On Raving:
LMAO
All the "characters" are here

Especially one raving hebrephrenic called Hal.

SSGT/Georgetwin
"LMAO since the 2006 budget was an R Congress and an R president you prove my point - no leadership or guts"

Who took control of the congress in 2006? Please answer this for me Georgetwin, My memory tells me something else! "

Did someone explain how the federal budget works to you?

Unemployment
Well, 4% used to be conisdered the theoretical floor, so 5% isn't too bad.

AP
Employers cut fewer jobs in April, jobless rate falls
Friday May 2, 1:24 pm ET
By Jeannine Aversa, AP Economics Writer
Employers cut fewer jobs in April, jobless rate falls to 5 percent


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Employers cut far fewer jobs in April than in recent months and the unemployment rate dropped to 5 percent, a better-than-expected showing that nonetheless reveals strains in the nation's labor market.

Lumberjack
"Oh sorry I am off
...some entertainment tonight and then some rack time

John S. McCain Master and Commander and soon to be POTUS (right wing heads explode)

Long Live The Republic"

I guess "night" falls early in Texas.

Ratings
This is a little dated, but for someone "no one listens to", Rush is doing pretty well.

http://talkers.com/talkhosts.htm


Isn't is a sign of
mental instability to be continuously laughing for little/no apparent reason?
Perhaps we can get HalD(umbass) and Wobbie some help.

LMAO
All the "characters" are here

BUT
Before I go,

wobbie, I know you can not read the military jargon that lumber wrote to you so Translation follows:

HEY CAPTAIN OF THE HEAD/WALMART HELO DRIVER, YOU EVER ANSWER TAIL2LONG OR TINSLDR2.MIL ADDY YET? DID NOT THINK SO. TWIT.


Bravo=Big Foxtrot=Fracking Delta=Deal

wobbie
see ya coward. I will make my offer again :-)

Doc
yes, the pup is inside thank God! And its here right now! woow. Its a doosey/daisey!

WOBBIE/DRUNKAHUE
your homework for the weekend is to publish an Islamic Cartoon! Don't let us down.

Robert Scribbles:
Oh sorry I am off
...some entertainment tonight and then some rack time

John S. McCain Master and Commander and soon to be POTUS (right wing heads explode)

Long Live The Republic


v
Robert

Bravo Foxtrot Delta

Robert Moron and Complete A$$ and the laughingstock of Townhall (although he is too stupid to realize it.)

Got to go,
lighting bad now but i will be back, Pals and Pukes!

SSGT the pup inside? this is prolly coming your way and its a good one.
CYAS

Is anyone
listening to Rush right now?

AZPhil writes:
The bad: Karl Rove is #1.

OMG I can see the BDS hitting the fan with that post! LOL Question, is there a RDS? If not there will be now! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Robert writes:
Learn the difference between calender and fiscal years then do some reading as to when The Constitution seats the New Congress ...

when you have done that...and if you are lukcy the light might dawn on you as to how completly uninformed this statement is

You might try reading the constitution to locate the clause that bans the Military from enforcing the law, as you have repeatedly insisted to me. When you find it, tell me exactly what Article, Section and Clause it is.

Doc
thanks alot, I'll try not to gloat to much! haha

Georgetwin
sorry, but I'm typing with my K-bar clenched tightly between my teeth wishing for a crack at the crack-heads. Where did they go anyway?


Hey Ding-a-ling?

Good news, bad news...
for liberals.

The good news:

Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh are not the most influential U.S. political pundits:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/1 919961/The-most-influential-US-political-pundits-10-1.html

The bad: Karl Rove is #1.

MyOpine writes:
Friday, May, 02, 2008 12:47 PM
Jude the Obscure
You evidently do not understand what an important person Wobbie is!

Hey, you forgot, law enforcement officer (do they have security guards at walmart?) helo driver, and 170 years worth of other jobs he claims he has held!
OH AND THE BEST-SUPER “McQuack” DELEGATE!

HEY CAPTAIN OF THE HEAD/WALMART HELO DRIVER, YOU EVER ANSWER TAIL2LONG OR TINSLDR2.MIL ADDY YET? DID NOT THINK SO. TWIT.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

Free Ramos and Compean
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l





AZPhil writes:
Actually, it's liberals who run around shaking. You're afraid of DDT, then the Ice Age (not the movie), then dioxin, then alar, then Y2K, then overpopulation, now global warming.

You forgot BDS, it is what they "fear" most! IMHO

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

Free Ramos and Compean
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l

Ssgt
Hal Drunkahue seems to have gotten a case of Limbertail. Robert the Coward will get it shortly.

Jude the Obscure
You evidently do not understand what an important person Wobbie is!

He is a Captain in the U.S. Navy, an active duty combat pilot flying daily patrols over Iraq.

(BUT he does not know Ordinance Color Codes.)
He can't describe a Division Gunnery Efficiency Pennant.
He can't describe a Division Engineering Efficiency Pennant.
He can't tell you what it signals when a ship hoists a single red dovetail pennant.
He can't tell you the reward paid by a Carrier for returning a downed pilot.
He claims to be one of the men who held the "Halp us Jon Cary" sign.
He also claims to be a Navy test pilot.
He also claims to be a civilian test pilot.
He claims to be a Republican and also a delegate to the Democrat convention.
AND wally discovered Wobbie does not know how to fly an airplane!
AND Wobbie boasts about being an advisor to our Admirals!

NOW do you understand how important Wobbie is?

wobbie
Hey moron,
"...the difference in calender years and "fiscal" years."

What year is it you complete and utter bafoon!

I see that when you had your stroke, it actually was not Drunkahue doing it, but the real thing! It killed both sides of you brain.

Jahadists and PC
Has anyone else noticed the fortuitious evolution of Political Correctness such that it is in place:

1. Just in time for the Jahadists and the attack on our way of life by ISLAM?

2. Just in time for the illegal immigration debacle we are experiencing?

3. Just in time for key items of the advent of the NAU to move into place?

4. Just in time for one of the most critical presidential elections of our times?
With three candidates more concerned with apologizing among themselves than for campaigning in any meaningful way on any other issues than, for heavens sake, Global Warming, unbelievable?

I must be a Right Wing conspirerist (not sure this is a word but I hope you get the picture).

PC will bring this country to its knees. Mabey a Muslim prayer rug!!
Lee

Farmers wife
i agree with your posts. I do believe the president could have used the bullt pulpit to keep Americans engaged a la FDR plus it was a perfect opportunity to start drilling domestically, ANWR, offshore and over ride the enviroterrierists controlling our enviromental policies in the name of national security. That he failed to do so creates a lot of questions, among them his need not to antagonize the people on the left he needs/needed to push for open borders amnesty and perhaps NAU, SPP, NAFTA HWY.

Doc
we are getting hit w/storms here too! Luckily with the Drunkahue in Scranton and his heavy breathing, the storms will pass quickly!

wobbie
all you have to do is ask!
DING-A-LING!

I'm waiting precious!

Ssgt
WOW! Wobbie AND Hal Drunkahue are after you today. At least it would be a fair fight, you are average 1 COWARD PER HAND!

Hal
I'm LMAO at this:

"You (conservatives) are filled with fear that is why you folks just quake and rattle sabers at ghosts. "

Actually, it's liberals who run around shaking. You're afraid of DDT, then the Ice Age (not the movie), then dioxin, then alar, then Y2K, then overpopulation, now global warming.

It's pretty comical to be terrified of sea leavel rising 1 foot by 2100, but ignore people who fly planes into skyscrapers. Thanks for the material. LMAO.

Ssgt
Hal Drunkahue is OBVIUSLY modeling himself MORE AND MORE after The Clintons. He has already PERFECTED his Lying and Cowardice. Once he sharpens his Cheating Skills up, he will be primed for A Liberal Dream Job, A Career Clintonista!

For SSgt @ 12:18
"now I think Drunkahue has moved on past the beer and staight to the moonshine".

Gee, I thought hal doofus starts his day with five fingers of dubious country-liquor.

GT writes:
Ssgt
I'll take a midget on my side and fight Robert, Hal Drunkahue and Squeaky McPatches before breakfast. I'll lay money I hack my way through them before my coffee gets cold

BET? I would pay to see that! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh O, storms moving in, if I am cut off I will be back too spank the tweedle dee and tweedle dum some more 8-)

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

Free Ramos and Compean
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l


SSGT
HalD pretends to have once been an officer in our Army.
You would expect him to know spending bills originate in the House?

I think he is just putting on an act and pretending to be stupid so you will pity him.

In my day you could not enter Annapolis without a high school deploma.
The Army MUST have some sort of standard.

So wobbie (the original)
Are you speaking from experience as to who has shorted the O&M?
(as an active duty navy 06) You do realize that the pots of money are fixed amounts for specific events?
In 2007, 64.2% of the budget ($439.3 billion) was tied to personnel, facilities, and maintenance. It was not moved or deferred to pay for combat operations.
Considering you will be yelling that we need to get our equipment rehabbed/replaced...what number are you willing to increase the military budget to?

Ssgt
I'll take a midget on my side and fight Robert, Hal Drunkahue and Squeaky McPatches before breakfast. I'll lay money I hack my way through them before my coffee gets cold.

Wobbie the Fantasy Wabbit!
Please document some of your fiction.
We need to know if you are plagiarizing from Disney or MGM.

You must be aware you do not have great credibility at TH.
Your fictional resumes have given us the impression you are a sociopathic liar.

Georgetwin
now I think Drunkahue has moved on past the beer and staight to the moonshine:

Drunkahue vomits:
"LMAO since the 2006 budget was an R Congress and an R president you prove my point - no leadership or guts"

Who took control of the congress in 2006? Please answer this for me Georgetwin, My memory tells me something else!

Wobbie writes: Friday
Wobbie writes: Friday, May, 02, 2008 12:01 PM
Hal, honey
at 8:45

You so silly Hal!!!!
(I'll see you later after the night patrols. It's your turn to bring the air compressor)

TO THE MASKED MAN:
Hey you forgot to tell him to bring the soap with no rope-

Robert
Robert writes: Friday, May, 02, 2008 12:02 PM

"Oh and it is actually
Fort Bragg...Fort Braxton Bragg.

"Braxton" is an old family name on my late wifes Side...(no relation)...had we ever had a "boy" he was going to be Robert Braxton (one more middle name...my fathers first) and then my last name...
Robert"

Ah....I thank you for the clarifcation. I recognize Fort Bragg, but did not realize that is what you meant. For all I know, little as my knowledge of the military is, there could very well have been Fort Braxton.

wobbie (the orginal..)
Robert writes (in part): Friday, May, 02, 2008 11:59 AM

..."Buildings built in the Korean war era that have had little maintenance because the funds are diverted to Iraq because there is not enough money to pay for the fighting"...

Again, I'll tell you that the buildings didn't have enough money to pay for them well before Sept 11, 2001. This is one of the reasons pushed for BRAC.
But of course BRAC was politicised as soon as the Californian and Texan politicians realized most of the bases were in their states and would have to be consolidated and closed to pay for the peace dividend. This is why Military Officers worked on BRAC and congress critters would over rule.

Georgetwin
good day, my friend!
that was another priceless post! haha
I know I'm just barking up trees with those two numb-nuts, but I wish I could meet them, I really really do!

Jude the Obscure writes:
I must confess not having much knowledge of life in the military.

wobbie should confess the same thing!

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

Free Ramos and Compean
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l

wobbie writes:
from Iraq...it was the "most fracken dumb decision" to invade Iraq and even Victory in Iraq wont stop the folks who worked up 9/11...but defeat will enable worse.

More leftist BDS. You keep talking and you keep showing what you really are. You are about as much a McQuack moderate as Drunkahue is a moderate democrat. You do know he wants to stay IN Iraq. No you’re probably not smart enough at 15 too figure that out either. Why do these people make me want to vote FOR McQuack instead of writing in a name? I think its because they are really dangerous people. NOW THAT SCARES ME.

HEY CAPTAIN OF THE HEAD/WALMART HELO DRIVER, YOU EVER ANSWER TAIL2LONG OR TINSLDR2.MIL ADDY YET? DID NOT THINK SO. TWIT.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

Free Ramos and Compean
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l




Farmer's Wife
"...They have filled the trough with treasure taken from the tax paying population and laid out a sumptuous buffet."

The trough is empty and filled with IOUs remember? a gift from the Congressional Rs and the K street crowd.

"The result being a population who would rather recline and eat at the public trough than get up off their respective behinds and do something for themselves."

Really??? You mean like you Rs who hhave literally lost billions of government money while taking a lot for yourself

"Congress was complicit and unwilling to pull in the purse strings even though the nation was at war. In 2006 alone Congress spent $29 Billion on frivolous "pork" projects that use taxpayer funds to reward local special interests and pressure groups, then "hollar" about the deficit."

LMAO since the 2006 budget was an R Congress and an R president you prove my point - no leadership or guts

"The addiction to power is rampant in both parties who have shown their willingness to bend over backward for the preferred "cause" of the moment, lest they lose the next election."

Ahhh you mean our "representatives" are representing the people?

"The addiction to Nanny State policies by American citizens means that soon everyone will be in the wagon to get their goodies but there won't be any horses left to pull the wagon."

The red states soak up far more fed dollars than the blue states doesn't that make you guys the nanny state people?

"Where do you think we will be going at that point? "

We elect adult leadership

in reference to
wobbie and HalD(umbass) on Ft Bragg.
Not too many years ago, I attended a Command Logistics Officers Course in Quantico. We reviewed many areas of logistics but one of the ones that struck me was on facilities maintenance. In 2001, with the O&M monies for facilities...if you started a whole rehab operation with one building owned by the Marine Corps, and went sequentially through out the entire Corps, you would get back to the first facility for maintenance in 300 years.

Now, who's to blame? This one lays at the feet of Congress. They present the budget to the president to sign. And since he must either accept it all or reject it all I fail to see how any president (regardless of party affilitation) gets the blame - unless they specifically direct the cutting of the O&M budget.

But of course leftists will squawk if the military budget exceeds 3% of the GDP.

Hal, honey
at 8:45 you asked me:

For the guy posting as "wobbie" why do you folks always refuse to include Reagan and the marines in Lebanon?


Since you know me so intimately, why do you even ask a Reagan Democrat like me, a question like that?


You so silly Hal!!!!
(I'll see you later after the night patrols. It's your turn to bring the air compressor.)

A worthy question Robert
Why did we Invade when there was no declaration of war?

Although immediately after 9/11, Congressman Ron Paul introduced a bill calling for letters of Marque and Reprisal against those responsible.

While I understand that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction (the common liberal straw man) as evidenced by their use against the Kurds...If you're going to invade a country, do it with an overwhelming force.

By that I mean, "Surge...what surge...?" If you're going to go to war, do it right. Send the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, & 4th Marine Divisions/Air Wings in and tell them to turn the place into a glass factory.

Robert
I must confess not having much knowledge of life in the military.

Exactly what is the squalor at Fort Braxton that you refer to in your post?

No such thin as a "Radical Muslim"
All muslims support the goal of worldwide islamic power.

You traitorous libs, and you Neocon whores have done immeasurable damage already. And if allowed to continue, though your aims are slightly different, the effect will be the same: to destroy the sovereignty of these United States.

The naive among us would ask "when will you realize the horrors of militant islam?"

But in truth, you are well aware of the goals of those mohammedan swine, and fully support them.

The libs because they hate America and want to integrate her into an all-powerful dictatorial regime headed up by the UN under their "commission on global governance."

The neocons because it's in their best interest to keep us at perpetual war in order to form an all powerful dictatorial "unified state" here on the continent.

The ultimate goal of Islam is no less than the subjugation of the planet. Muslims who follow the Koran support this.

Those who don't are what most of you think of as moderate (non-radical) muslims. What you don't consider is that in any belief system "moderates" are spineless backsliders.

Real muslims hate you and want you dead. There is no need for "dialog" only action. Kill them, or be killed.

I refuse to live as a dhimmi under Sharia law; and will fight with my last round to prevent it.

I'm with the poster who said "State Dept. and DHS are now officially dhimmis under the caliphate. Somebody get me a bucket, I think I'm gonna throw up. Never dreamed I'd advocate the overthrow of my own government...we need a vigilante force before it's too late."

Hal Donahue
Hal Donahue writes:

"It is the extreme right like the Limbawls and their ilk who shudder in fear and ineffectively shout threats against a nonexistent foes."

Though there are many issues on which I disagree with conservatives, I daresay there are much more effective ways to express one's opinion than the above example.

Hal, I am sure if you slowed down and applied some rational thought, you could express yourself much more effectively than what you have in your 11:35 post.

Let's give it a shot, shall we?

Mr. Limbaugh
Having done a good bit of work with law enforcement and married to a man who works with them every single day, I can tell you by design they are not up to the task.

Law Enforcement was not designed for the most part to prevent crime but to react to crime. Couple that fact with the unions and KABOOM! we die due to complacency.

Hal Drunkahue writes:
HIC! LMAO! You Bitter, Bible Thumping, Gun Clinging Conservatives are WRONG AS USUAL! Billary Cankleton had the right approach to dealing with Islamic Terrorists let them do what they want to and DO NOTHING in return! HIC! LMAO! Look how well this type of COWARDICE has served Billary Cankleton. He was elected to 2 terms as POTUS and has made over $100,000,000.00 since leaving office. I myself have started practicing this sort of COWARDICE! HIC! LMAO! I hide behind my keyboard and toss out insults, secure in the fact that NOBODY can touch me. I have been hired by Shrillary Cankleton to be The Head Coward in Charge and by Airhead PeterPuffer to write about what a TERRIBLE COUNTRY America is! HIC! LMAO! I have to go now, my Depens is leaking. In closing is say to Ssgt, NA-NA-NA! NA! NA-NA! You can’t get me! HIC! LMAO!

A History lesson
For those on the left who think we should change our policy to appease the Islamic terrorists, maybe we should follow the example that Thomas Jefferson took against the muslim pirates in the early 19th century.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/jeff_quran.htm

Hal the disgruntled liar scribbles:
"You look deep in the poll boooks and try and sense what is goign on in the public and you see a sense of almost "shame" by the American people about being a part of what has happened.
Not the right wing"

OH BOO FRACKING HOO. What polls were you looking at? The ones where you post your personal self promoting bio? Well I reckon it is called HuffandPuff for a reason. Your kind need too pull yourself up by your bootstraps (or in yours and wobbies case your frack me pumps) and support this country and quit trying too pass the blame for everything to Peso george when it for your own BDS and distain for freedom. Was bill clintoon in office when you got passed over? Is that his fault?

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

Free Ramos and Compean
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l

SSGT/Farmer's Wife
"... and we will continue to push on despite the cowards on the left. "

It isn't the left running around saying the sky is falling. You keep ignoring the FACT that liberal, diverse NYC leads the way in courage and how to deal with terrorist attacks. It is the extreme right like the Limbawls and their ilk who shudder in fear and ineffectively shout threats against a nonexistent foes.

What are the Consequences?
To Robert and those who think Islamic Terrorism is a law enforcement problem:

Besides writing that al Qaeda leaders need to be killed, You did not answer the questions about the consequences of inaction or withdrawl.

if the US gov't had not overthrown the murderous Taliban and attempted to prosecute OBL and al qaeda after 9/11, what would the consequences have been?

Would the terrorists have been emboldened? Would they have sent more jihadists to carry out more attacks? How many would have succeeded?

Similarly, if the US pulls out of Iraq tomorrow, before the Iraqi gov't and its military is established, what would the consequences be? How about civil war and fighting on a massive scale? Genocide. A brutal dictator is likely to prevail. Look at what happened in south vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia after the US pulled funding.

War with the Islamic terrorists is ugly, but the alternative is even worse.

Doc
The answer to your question is both no and yes.

No, I am not new here. I have been reading Townhall, both articles and threads, for at least a couple of years.

Yes, I have only started posting about three weeks ago.

SSGT and Robert
Robert writes:

"And that is why the right wing and you in particular dont ahve a clue about intellectual honesty."

SSGT writes:

"Patriotism is alive and well, and we will continue to push on despite the cowards on the left."

The preceeding two statements are illustrative of the ideas I am proffering here on the Townhall threads. I know we can do much better than this....We have it in us to carry on a rational discourse without these types of incendiary statements.

Robert, those on the right are no more or less honest or dishonest than those on the left.

SSGT, those on the left are not cowards overall, no more or less so than those on the right.

We all have our strengths and weaknesses, and our passions that spur us on to words and action.
Now, we may not agree with each other, but surely we can respect each other's opinions.

After all, one of the reasons that our Revolution was fought was so we each had the freedom to voice our ideas and opinions.

Gentlemen, why don't you two "shake hands" and try to get along better?

Ssgt-CFriar-Doc-WilliB-FWife
Apparently Hal Drunkahue is like Billary Cankleton. Hide behind Shrillary and let her do the fighting. Her backside will have to get a LOT WIDER for Hal Drunkahue (AKA The Pennsylvania Porkbutt, The Keystone Cop, The Scranton Scrotum) to hide behind it.

Robert
"You look deep in the poll boooks and try and sense what is goign on in the public and you see a sense of almost "shame" by the American people about being a part of what has happened.
Not the right wing"

When I am talking to evangelicals who think the world is 8K old and supported Santorum and THEY tell me that they will not vote Republican because they damaged the country I know you are right. To quote one Mom: "they need quiet time"

Jude the Obscure
Are you new here?

thanks to the liberal socialists...
ensconced in our federal government, Congress has been throwing a big pity party for everyone who sees themselves as an oppressed victim of this, that, or the other.

They have filled the trough with treasure taken from the tax paying population and laid out a sumptuous buffet. The result being a population who would rather recline and eat at the public trough than get up off their respective behinds and do something for themselves.

Congress was complicit and unwilling to pull in the purse strings even though the nation was at war. In 2006 alone Congress spent $29 Billion on frivolous "pork" projects that use taxpayer funds to reward local special interests and pressure groups, then "hollar" about the deficit.

The addiction to power is rampant in both parties who have shown their willingness to bend over backward for the preferred "cause" of the moment, lest they lose the next election.

The addiction to Nanny State policies by American citizens means that soon everyone will be in the wagon to get their goodies but there won't be any horses left to pull the wagon.

Where do you think we will be going at that point?


WOBBIE
All it takes is one ring-a-ling, my little
DING-A-LING!!!

Farmer's Wife
writes:
"Is patriotism so dead that people no longer understand that when we are at war, all of us have a part to play? Must we have a cheerleader to motivate us? Is it too far fetched for the POTUS to believe that most Americans still value their freedom enough to sacrifice something of themselves?"

I love this question, FW. And if I could be bold enough, I would like to point out that as whitnessed by the fine job our military members are doing right now, that we still have what it takes to bring home peace in the world. Patriotism is alive and well, and we will continue to push on despite the cowards on the left.

wobbie scribbles:
Had Bill Clinton screwed up in Iraq as much as this clown has

Good too know who one looks up to, leftist shill.

HEY CAPTAIN OF THE HEAD/WALMART HELO DRIVER, YOU EVER ANSWER TAIL2LONG OR TINSLDR2.MIL ADDY YET? DID NOT THINK SO. TWIT.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

Free Ramos and Compean
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l


Jihadits
The title of David's article emphasizes the attitude of a great number of Americans. Will it take another 9/11 for them to wake up? I hope not and that this will not be the case

Limbaugh
Thanks for highlighting this book. It should be a "must-read" for all Americans....especially our extremely confused brethren on the left.

wobbie scribbles:
always best to have STrangelove quotes around when dealing with this administration.

which shows two things:
1-You’re a leftist shill, which we knew.
2-Your BDS slip is showing, which shows you for what you are. A leftist shill


HEY CAPTAIN OF THE HEAD/WALMART HELO DRIVER, YOU EVER ANSWER TAIL2LONG OR TINSLDR2.MIL ADDY YET? DID NOT THINK SO. TWIT.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

Free Ramos and Compean
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l


Robert and SSGT
Now, I am confident if you two make a concerted effort, you should be able to carry on a reasonable discussion without the worrisome insults and ad hominem attacks.

I would gather you two are older and should therefore be able to converse in a much more mature and sophisticated manner than the schoolroom banter you have displayed here.

I know you two are capable of so much more. I trust that you will not continue to disappoint us.

wobbie scribbles:
Ramos and Compean
Still working on the chain gang...

Maybe, but you will join them soon from what I hear. And I am sure one or the other would love to run into you in there as I am sure they will make HaL Doofus insane with jealously. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HEY CAPTAIN OF THE HEAD/WALMART HELO DRIVER, YOU EVER ANSWER TAIL2LONG OR TINSLDR2.MIL ADDY YET? DID NOT THINK SO. TWIT.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

Free Ramos and Compean
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l

Robert
You nailed it first they attack the troops with Rush's "phony soldiers" and ignore the welfare of our troops, wounded and veterans now they are turning on the "American people". What next? I know any where but the mirror

The Contest
The Big Kahuna just received another fine entry in the why Halbert was "vital to the national defense" contest. The entry was submitted by Lil'Abner. It seems as though the "Swimmer" had need for a pilot to fly his hang glider and a chauffeur to drive him around on Martha's Vineyard. Teddy called Jimmy Earl and made the request. Teddy told Jimmy Earl that the Chauffeur would have to wear a "Mae West" all the time on the "Vineyard". Jimmy Earl told the "Swimmer" that he had just the man for the job and you know the rest of the story.

so now it is GWB's fault....
that we have a population of spoiled, impatient, allergic to self sacrifice people. As I said, Bush's mistake came in his belief that this country is the same one his father and my father fought for in WWII. It is not.

GWB did not advocate that people not be involved in our nation's effort. I remember him saying that we shouldn't go about life looking over our shoulder or live in constant fear, but to say he told us to just go shopping is a stretch at best.

Is patriotism so dead that people no longer understand that when we are at war, all of us have a part to play? Must we have a cheerleader to motivate us? Is it too far fetched for the POTUS to believe that most Americans still value their freedom enough to sacrifice something of themselves?

Robert
"Not everyone
Hal Donahue writes: Friday, May, 02, 2008 10:01 AM
everyone is "disappointed" that it wasn't a "real war". "

True only the phony patriots and tough guys here as you say all hat no cattle
...

"I am not saying we would not get our hair musted,20-30 million tops Mr. President, particularly if we hit now"

General Buck Turgidson speaking to President M. Muffley in Dr. Strangelove...while holding his book "Cities in megadeaths"."

Sadly I think Perle said that for real thanks the gods this crowd never got power then


Yawn
Welcome back Halbert! Are you ready for some more a** whuppings? Your mindless contributions to this forum are as meaningful as an ice cube in a hail storm.
Catch ya later alligator

America's Traitors
American policy toward the MUZZIES for the last 75 years has been to not offend them — BECAUSE THEY HAD THE OIL; AND BIG OIL INTERESTS IN THIS COUNTRY WANTED TO SUCK UP TO THEM IN ORDER TO MAKE BIG $$$$$. Guess where GEORGE (HOW HARD SHOULD I SUCK, SHIEK?) BUSH stands, on this issue.

Guess where BILLIE BOB CLINTON stood on the issue? I'll give you a hint. Who contributed over 8 million dollars to BILLIE BOB's unpresidential library? Could it have been the filthy Sowdie MOSLEMS?

Where does BILLARY STAND on this issue? How much of the $108,000,000 that BILLIE BOB and BILLARY made over the last 10 years came from MOSLEMS for "SERVICES RENDERED?"

Where did OLD-MAN BUSH SR. STAND on this issue. He's currently making several million a year, employed by a filthy-rich MUZZIE as a "CONSULTANT". Hmmm! I wonder what that means. Could it possibly be that he's PIMPING for the dirty MOSLEMS? Whaddaya wanna bet?

Let me be blunt.
—George W. Bush is a traitor to US!
—Billie Bob was and is a traitor!
—Bush Senior was and is a traitor.
—The twit, Condy Rice is a traitor!
—The American State Dept is a ditto!
—Dozens of American Senators and Congressmen take money from MOSLEM entities and are therefore TRAITORS!

Given—Anybody who wants to destroy America is a traitor.
Given—ISLAM is required by the KORAN to destroy all NON-ISLAM religions and governments.
Therefore—ISLAM is an ENEMY of AMERICA!
Given—A TRAITOR is a person who gives AID and COMFORT to the ENEMY!
THEREFORE—All persons listed above are TRAITORS since they give AID and COMFORT to ISLAM.

Finally! There are approximately 6-8 million filthy MOSLEMS who claim American citizenship. THESE BAS****S are ALL TRAITORS since the KORAN FORBIDS THEM to pledge alligence to any NON-MOSLEM government (unless they are lying — which the KORAN allows them to do, in order to further the world conquering plan of ISLAM)

Doug Corrigan
At last ! Maybe people are beginning to GET IT ! It's the MOSLEMS, fool. ISLAM and all its goofy adherents HATE US and all the rest of the non-mussie world BECAUSE OL' MOHAMMAD/ALLAH TELLS THEM TO in his vicious, brutal, murderous, rapine, enslaving, and extorting comic book called the KORAN, or KURAN, or QURAN, or QU**R-AN or whatever-the-f**k they call that book of pathological of hatred.

Read that filth and LEARN! Given—Understand that there is NO REASON for ISLAMIC BRUTALITY around the world OTHER THAN THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE COMMANDED TO DO by the BOOK OF DOOM!

ALL MAINSTREAM SCHOOLS OF ISLAMIC THOUGHT teach that it is the responsibility of the Moslems, wherever they are, TO WAGE WAR against JEWS and CHRISTIANS; and subjugate JEWS and CHRISTIANS to the rule of Islamic law.

We Americans — notably stupid people to begin with — really need to get our heads out of their butts and wake up!

Jihadist
David nails it again!! When will the PC morons understand the best defense is a good offense? That's the way to win this struggle

WOBBIE
now that I have your attention. Do you want my phone number to call me a set up a time to meet?
I will gladly give it to ya!
Just say when, wobbie the wonder weenie

What part of....
"The military is at war. America is at the mall.", do you not understand?

Our military has done a superb job and I am very grateful and thankful for ALL of them!

The general population has gone on in a business as usual manner, not understanding that this war on terror is for every American to fight, whether they can do it on the battlefield or not. Our involvement should be in finding some hands on way of helping in the effort. No one in this country has had to sacrifice anything, except the soldiers.

All Americans understood this during WWII, today not so much.

Not allowed to call them "Jihadis"...
State Dept. and DHS are now officially dhimmis under the caliphate. Somebody get me a bucket, I think I'm gonna throw up. Never dreamed I'd advocate the overthrow of my own government...we need a vigilante force before it's too late.

Robert on Schizophrenia
Robert would you tell us which personality we are talking with today?

It is hard to keep you two separated but not as hard as it is for you.

Drunkahue

"yawn"

Thats what I thouhgt, coward!

Robert and strange love
Someone said: "Robert is an expert on strange love"

What does that mean Robert?

wobbie
I lead a Platoon in the Persian Gulf!
You?
Anytime anywhere worm.

Robert on competence
Someone said: "Robert is an extremely qualified incompetent and was in the top 10% of his class of two."

Robert were you in the top 10% of the class?

Robert on Sorry
Someone said: "Robert is an expert on 'sorry' he personifies it."

Robert is that true?

HalD on Qualifications
HalD wrote: "what are your qualifications as an international military strategist?"
-------------------------------------------------

HalD might be qualified but is not competent.

HalD do you want me to tell you the difference?

Robert and Attacks
Someone said: "Robert is doing much better after that mean 'ole' rabbit attacked him"

Robert have you recovered?

SSGT
Yawn...

Will we win...or will we lose?
We are in great danger. The terrorists are fanatic Muslims. They believe that it is okay, even their duty to kill anyone who will not convert to Islam. It has been estimated that about one third or over
three hundred million Muslims are sympathetic to the terrorists' cause... Hitler and Tojo combined did not have nearly that many
potential recruits.

So... We either win it - or lose it - and you ain't gonna like losing.

President Bush did make a bad mistake in the war on terrorism. But the mistake was not his decision to go to war in Iraq, Bush's mistake
came in his belief that this country is the same one his father fought for in WWII. It is not.

There were a lot of things different back then. We were not subjected to a constant bombardment of pornography, perversion, and promiscuity
in movies or on radio. We did not have legions of crack heads, dope pushers, and armed gangs roaming our streets.

No, President Bush did not make a mistake in his handling of terrorism. He made the mistake of believing that we still had the courage and fortitude of our fathers. He believed that this was still the country that our fathers fought so dearly to preserve. It is not the same country. It is now a cross between Sodom and Gomorrah and
the land of Oz. We did unite for a short while after 9/11but our attitude changed when we found out that defending our country would require some sacrifices.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall. Take a couple of minutes to read this. Then I ask that you THINK ABOUT IT when you vote in November. Voting Democrat or
Republican is most definitely still YOUR CHOICE, for now.

zedsmom
"...For the first time in our history, we are fighting a notion, not a nation. The notion is that we should all be killed or beaten into such submission that we will accept Islam. Such a notion, firmly held, is a greater motivator than oil or any other physical asset will ever be."

Nice but wrong point. We just defeated the notion of communism and make no mistake they wanted us dead and unlike your mythical islamowhatever had the ability to do it

"...The first assumption all liberals make is that our military has done something wrong. We have hearings, and those found to have done nothing wrong are still publicly excoriated and humiliated. "

This is simply a lie. "All liberals" LMAO

"...Given that declaration, why don't we fight a real war, which we have not done since WWII, and get it over with? "

I love how easy a "real war" is thrown around. We did fight a "real war" since WWII it was called the Cold War. Battlegrounds were places like Korea, Vietnam, Lebanon, and a thousand other places no one knows. I am amazed that the Cold War possibly the biggest victory against possibly the most dangerous opponent in our history and everyone is "disappointed" that it wasn't a "real war".

"The losses of our military and the civilian population would, overall, be less. Our country and our military would have a defined purpose behind which we could all rally. "

Really who would we be fighting? And what are your qualifications as an international military strategist?

Robert on chain gangs
Someone said: "The only time Robert was on a chain gang was when he was being led in the Gay Rights parade"

Robert is that true?

Drukahue
throw any service members under the bus with your CIQ?
cowards and lying pigs all!

wobbie
the coward!
Have you told any marines that they are just "waiters" yet?

Doc
"...The last sentence above is the real problem with the whole blog - your fear and timidity make you want to see the terrorists as ten foot tall and very strong."

"And you are dumb enough to believe we fear, instead of wanting to protect this nation, and kill our enemies."

You are filled with fear that is why you folks just quake and rattle sabers at ghosts. The way you treat terrorists, any kind of terrorist, is to dust your self off, give them what Time called the international sign of derision and keep doing what they tried to stop -- all the while hunting them down. NYC is a perfect example of how to carry on after and during a terrorist attack. They did very well but you folks you cring and whine - disgusting...

"But then, what do you care about this country, you desk monkey. You’re just mad at your X superiors and we know why. "

LMAO attack me all you like but I carry on you folks just hide and in your confusion carry on disarming the copuntry.

zedsmom writes:
War is an ugly thing but knowing that our very civilization is at stake, the instigators have left no alternative.

Well said! But do not expect losers too get that point, as it would mean they are wrong in every aspect!

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

Free Ramos and Compean
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l


Willful Blindness
To those who think Islamic Terrorism is a law enforcement problem:

if the US gov't had attempted to prosecute OBL and al qaeda after 9/11, what would the consequences have been?

Would the terrorists have been emboldened? Would they have sent more jihadists to carry out more attacks? How many would have succeeded?

Similarly, if the US pulls out of Iraq tomorrow, before the Iraqi gov't and its military is established, what would the consequences be? How about civil war and fighting on a massive scale? Genocide. A brutal dictator is likely to prevail. Look at what happened in south vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia after the US pulled funding.

War with the Islamic terrorists is ugly, but the alternative is even worse.


Hal Doofus Drunkahue
HIC!!LMAO
"For the guy posting as "wobbie" HIC! LMAO why do you folks HIC!! LMAO always refuse to include Reagan and the marines in Lebanon? HIC! LMAO

As a former Marine Drunkahue, I will respond to this! I was aware of the treat to this country and its members when I was 20 years old! Whats your excuse, loser. Your a retired "Lite" beer swilling Col and you still can't figure it out! hmmmm, I wonder who lacks any brain cells?
Moron

willfull blindness column
lefty lib replies agggggggggggggg !

vjf

For the first time
For the first time in our history, we are fighting a notion, not a nation. The notion is that we should all be killed or beaten into such submission that we will accept Islam. Such a notion, firmly held, is a greater motivator than oil or any other physical asset will ever be.

We have been too slow to plan a response to effectively deal with such a notion so completely contrary to our past experience. We are not engaged in a war; we are engaged in a military maneuver directed by Congress in hearings on television.

We are fighting an enemy who dresses like the civilian population and hides within civilians. Each time a civilian is killed, we publicly have to admit that it was not our intention to harm the innocent, even though the innocence of some could be called into question. The first assumption all liberals make is that our military has done something wrong. We have hearings, and those found to have done nothing wrong are still publicly excoriated and humiliated. It has gotten so far out of control that I am expecting PETA to get involved on behalf of the innocent camels we have, allegedly, destroyed.

War is an ugly thing but knowing that our very civilization is at stake, the instigators have left no alternative. George Bush warned that we will neither tolerate the enemy fighters or any country that gives them refuge and comfort. Given that declaration, why don't we fight a real war, which we have not done since WWII, and get it over with? The losses of our military and the civilian population would, overall, be less. Our country and our military would have a defined purpose behind which we could all rally.


Hal the disgruntled liar scribbles:
The last sentence above is the real problem with the whole blog - your fear and timidity make you want to see the terrorists as ten foot tall and very strong.

And you are dumb enough to believe we fear, instead of wanting to protect this nation, and kill our enemies.
But then, what do you care about this country, you desk monkey. You’re just mad at your X superiors and we know why.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

Free Ramos and Compean
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l


The News This Week From
Mymood I'minajihad has me thinking about changing my vote. For that matter I may also change my party affilation, religion and, hair color!
Thank God I live in a country where I can still do all those things if I so desire.

But seriously...Mymood's decision to ban Barbie has me thinking about voting for Obama because Barry says he will "talk" with the tiny despot when he becomes POTUS.
The way I see it, if Mymood didn't include the Black Ken in the ban, there is still HOPE Barry can do exactly what he says he will do.

And that's good enough for me!


For God And Country
W/O=

wrightsrong52 writes:
Watch how to govern in 2009. It will appear simple to you in retrospect.

You people can NOT argue this point with him, if you think about it. If the dems win, we will really see how simple minds govern. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

Free Ramos and Compean
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l

Excellent Article
It is about time the theological underpinnings or Islam are beginning to be exposed. But John Adams Knew them in the 1700's. The fact is until the world enters into the truth that this is were the fight has to lead the war will not gain much momentum.


Islam is at its root an attack on 'true theology.'

Could America digest that kind of discussion? Does it care?

Run sissies run
Stop the nonsense and spreading fear and weakness. Why should I be surprised that only the fearful and timid conservatives "have the answer LMAO

"It would be bad enough if many Americans had their heads in the sand about the true nature and threat of Islamic terrorism. But sadly, our domestic law enforcement and intelligence communities also have a history of failing to take jihadism seriously. If you don't understand the enemy, you cannot begin to fight it effectively. "

The last sentence above is the real problem with the whole blog - your fear and timidity make you want to see the terrorists as ten foot tall and very strong. The reality is much different. You have a typical group of criminal terrorists using Islam to justify their actions and recruit much the same as the IRA used Christianity, the Barbery pirates used Islam and the red brigades used communism. Get over it and stop creating ghosts. Let's hunt them down and get rid of them like we did our whole history.

For the guy posting as "wobbie" why do you folks always refuse to include Reagan and the marines in Lebanon?

JFP
let me help out the whakos!
ummah is like the community that all the coward libturds hang out in, with fear that a real man or woman in uniform might look and them, then they wet themselves.

This is something they can understand now, and also relate too!

Nee
now you did it! You said the word
"Christians". That will bring the moonbats out in mass now! haha
by the way, good day to ya!

Boutte
"Sure, most of those who hijacked the planes on 9/11 were from our faithful ME ally Saudi Arabia, not Iraq."

By our reckoning, they were from Saudi Arabia. But by their own reckoning, they are all from the ummah.

Of course!
Being in denial as the left is, and Barack, too, we all know what will happen when a new President is sworn in. America WILL suffer another attack because those quacks believe in talking.
Do you know what happpened when a terrorist took out a Russian spy back in the days of the Marine barracks bomb? Russia found the terrorist and promptly delivered a dead body. Do you think there were any more dead Russian spies? Um, let's see...Nope.
That is how it should be handled every single time. No mercy for the virgin hunters who think thye can mess with the best.
For all of you still in denial...if 19 Christians went to bomb any Mosque that killed 3000 Muslim people, do you honestly believe they would have waited 16 motnhs to retaliate? If you do, then get back under your rocks until after the election.

Good morning to everyone
Stop by Fountain Abbey for my latest blog, on a topic that has the old Friar hopping mad.

I can't believe the cr*p that happens in America today. It's high time for some changes, but not the kind Obama thinks we need. What we need is to change all the liberal lunacy that has been foisted on us over the last forty years or so.

Wobbie
good points all. I'm glad to see your coming around! Oh wait!!! You like the
"WE DID NOTHING" thannnngggg.

"the best-laid plans of mice and men."

go eat some cheese boutty-call, wobbie, doofus, will, sophie and the rest of you anti-american scum suckin swine.

At 12:13 I wrote:
pre 9/11 we were doing just that...how it should be done.


What I meant to say was during the Clinton years (my favorite time to be an American, who supports all things Muslim) we responded to terrorist attacks by doing nothing. I mean Bill, my favorite President of all time, was too busy being serviced in the White house to be bothered with minor "stuff" like attacks on U.S. Servicemen abroad. Except for when we bombed the aspirin factory to divert attention away from "That Woman, Ms. Lewisnky's" testimony.


Oct. 12, 2000 - A terrorist bomb damages the destroyer USS Cole

*******WE DID NOTHING

Aug. 7, 1998 - Terrorist bombs destroy the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.

*******WE DID NOTHING

June 21, 1998 - Rocket-propelled grenades explode near the U.S. embassy in Beirut.

*******WE DID NOTHING

July 27, 1996 - A pipe bomb explodes during the Olympic games in Atlanta, killing one person and wounding 111.

*******The Clinton Justice Department arrested the wrong man and destroyed his reputation and life.

June 25, 1996 - A bomb aboard a fuel truck explodes outside a U.S. air force installation in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia.

********WE DID NOTHING

Nov. 13, 1995 - A car-bomb in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills seven people, five of them American military and civilian advisers for National Guard training.

********WE DID NOTHING

April 19, 1995 - A car bomb destroys the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people and wounding over 600.


********Clinton blamed Talk Radio for this

February 1993 - A bomb in a van explodes in the underground parking garage in New York's World Trade Center, killing six people and wounding 1,042.

********Clinton pursued this as a Law Enforcement matter



I sure do miss the Clinton years.

John McCain, Master and COmmander in Chief and endorsed by George W Bush




wrightsrong52 writes:
What???

wrightstrong52
JINGOISTS ?
DEFINE.

DNC MR. DEAN.
SUPER DELIGATES
A LOT WILL HAPPEN BEFORE THIS NEXT SIX MONTHS ENDS.
DENVER
MAYOR DALEY & CHICAGO 1968

THE ELECTION IS IN NOVEMBER 2008

Willful legacy building?
I hope he makes a lot of money selling kool aid to the right wing. You guys are such experts at ME history and culture. What a bunch of Jingoists!

Watch how to govern in 2009. It will appear simple to you in retrospect.

The other outrage associated with
the 1993 bombing was that by prosecuting it as a normal "crime" it opened the door to US tort law, which everyone knows is badly broken. Particularly with respect to the "shared responsibility" doctrine.

Terrorists bombed the WTC killing 6 people. Of course the trial lawyers jumped on this. Huge judgements follow (naturally) but are they filed against the actual perps? Of course not, it is found that the NYC Port Authority is 68% responsible not the people who made and planted the bomb. What is even worse is if the bombing had occurred in some other State in which all parties can be held to 100%.


Willful Blindness At State Department
The State Dept, the Dept of Homeland Security and the National Counter Terrorism Center has issued new guidelines discourageing personnel from using the words “jihad” or “jihadist” when referring to Islamic terrorism and those culpable.

A Homeland Security report entitled “Terminology to Define the Terrorists: Recommendations from American Muslims” clarifies that this was initiated to avoid offending moderate Muslims. By describing terrorists as “jihadists,” officials are ostensibly concerned with “unintentionally portraying terrorists, who lack moral and religious legitimacy, as brave fighters, legitimate soldiers or spokesmen for ordinary Muslims.”

I certainly hope, but I'm sure I'd be wrong, that the "recommending" American muslims wasn't CAIR.

Personally I don't care about offending mythical characters, ie, moderate muslims.

The koran denies the existance of states and sovreign governments, it allows only for a worldwide caliphate. The koran allows for muslims to lie to non-muslims without fear of sin, as long as it advances Islam. Faithful muslims believe in, and follow to the letter, the koran.

Apparently this administration is resigned to the inability to defeat an evil ideology. Rather than come out and admit it, they have decided to slowly, and most assuredly methodically, surrender to it.

Willful Blindness -- So True!
Unfortunately, none are so blind as those who refuse to see.

Robert and Will and all other moonbats
Hah! I beat all of you here and prevented you from starting off this thread with your negative, liberal, America-hating cr*p.

David, thanks for another great article.

Keep up the good work.
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