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Tuesday, January 08, 2008
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
Observations on the Presidential Races
by David Limbaugh
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1. We expect promises of change from Democratic candidates, but it's disappointing to watch certain Republican candidates yield to that superficially seductive sound bite, too. It's like the global-warming freight train, which few politicians have displayed the guts and character not to board.

2. It's disappointing to watch candidates from both parties accept the premise that criticizing your opponents' records and pointing out their inconsistencies and lies is engaging in dirty politics. It is not dirty but obligatory to draw distinctions between you and your opponents. Dirty politics is distorting one's record or spreading lies about a candidate. Why do so many refuse to see the difference? It's the same type of shallow thinking that prefers that politicians get along rather than promote their ideas.

3. Until very recently, "experts" have proclaimed that only Rudy and Romney had a realistic path to the GOP nomination and that Hillary was inevitable on the Democrat side. Now, many tell us Romney is dead unless he wins in New Hampshire, Rudy is already toast and Hillary is almost toast. The common denominator is that the punditocracy has been consistently wrong, which will not deter them from continuing their pseudo-omniscient, mostly erroneous analysis.

4. "Experts" also say that if McCain wins New Hampshire, he'll be the clear frontrunner -- though New Hampshire is not a bellwether state and McCain will remain, based on logic and experience, an overwhelming long shot.

5. Fred Thompson can't get anyone to give him the time of day. Debate moderator Chris Wallace, for example, overtly directed most of his questions to Huckabee, Romney and McCain. Then, in his post-debate analysis, he criticized Fred (and Rudy) for not being more assertive in the debate. What?

6. The media have decree Fred can't win, so it must be so.

7. If Fred can't win -- which I reject -- and Rudy and Romney are toast, and few truly believe Huckabee and McCain can win no matter how much the media and pundits promote them, then no one can win. Nonsense. One of them will win, and as long as none is an overwhelming frontrunner, they are all still in it.

8. Rumors that Hillary will drop out if she loses in New Hampshire to avoid damaging the "Clinton brand" are absurd. Quitting would hurt the Clintons far more than losing a hard fight would. Ask "No mas" boxing legend Roberto Duran.

9. If Hillary's hurting now, how much more would she be if Edwards, who presents a similar message in a more strident, polarizing and demagogic tone, were not in the race? But don't count Hillary out yet. She has the Clinton machine behind her.

10. Not more than a few weeks ago, few "experts" gave Barack Obama the slightest chance. While smart, articulate, charismatic and likeable, he just seemed too green. But under fire against Hillary, he has all of sudden matured, completely undermining the media's and Hillary's charge that he's not ready for the presidency. To paraphrase an antagonist in "Deliverance," these experts "don't know nuthin'."

11. All the Democratic candidates have egg on their faces over their Iraq policies and appear foolish in trying to justify their positions. But, ironically, the most Republicans can gain from our turnaround in Iraq is to remove it as an issue for Democrats; they can't seem to capitalize on their successes, as witnessed by their failure to receive credit for no further mainland terrorist attacks since 9/11.

12. It's very discouraging when Republican operatives fantasize about Huckabee rescuing the Republican Party from its current state of disarray by forging new coalitions. Even respected commentator Bill Kristol is arguably encouraging Republicans to get behind Huckabee.

13. Republicans and conservatives should be focused on principle and advancing the conservative agenda, not sacrificing those principles in pursuit of party victory.

14. Indeed, this is the crux of what bothers many of us conservatives, including many Christian conservatives, about Huckabee's approach. Huckabee purports to represent conservatives and evangelicals and, waving those banners, is promoting ideas that fly in the face of what we've always believed in. Despite his support of the Fair Tax, he issues strong class-warfare rhetoric against corporations and individual producers, he opposes school choice, he panders to liberals on global warming, he's a nanny-stater, and he seems to be soft on enemy combatants, other terrorists, tyrants and convicted murderers.

To have a conservative evangelical promoting a liberal agenda in many areas is troubling enough. For him to win the Republican nomination would mean that no major political party would thereafter be standing up as proudly for free markets, limited government, school choice, sound immigration policy and a realistic, tough foreign policy. No wonder liberals and the mainstream media love this fine man. With him, they hope for a twofer: He would dilute the conservatism of the Republican Party and deliver values voters to the cause of liberalism -- something the disingenuous Democratic overtures to "values voters" has never been able to accomplish.

15. The race is still wide open -- in both parties.

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Romney is the clear choice
Governor Romney is the conservatives best bet for the future. How can anyone say this man is not a fiscal conservative? His whole life has been spent in the market place, cutting costs, and making businesses profitable.

His family values are self-evident.

He is cool and calm when under attack, as evidenced in the debates. And he has taken the high road in his campaign -- not running attack ads, but contrasting his record with the records of his opponents.

Yet, as his opponents have attacked him personally, he has remained gracious and spoken generously of his opponents.

www.mymanmitt.com
http://www.mittreport.com


http://www.mittreport.com
http://www.mittreport.com

http://www.youtube.com/mittromney

http://www.mymanmitt.com

http://www.youtube.com/mittromney
http://www.mittreport.com

Mitt Romney: A Lifelong Liberal
Mitt Romney is a man who "fought conservatives" during the 80s and 90s and even up until 2006 when he made abortion a taxpayer funded benefit in his Massachusetts health care plan.

Endorsed by Ted Kennedy, Mitt Romney's state-controlled "Commonwealth Care" health plan for Massachusetts was signed into law by Romney himself on 4/12/2006 making Massachusetts the first state ever to install a government-run universal healthcare system with unlimited abortions at taxpayer expense.

Yes, the first governor to install universal healthcare with taxpayer funded abortions is also the first governor to install gay marriage. Nice job, Mitt.


http://massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/health_ins/


"I was an Independent during the time of Reagan/Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan Bush!"

-Mitt Romney


Mitt Romney made this revealing statement in 1994 a full six years after Reagan left office in 1988. Mitt Romney was Anti-Reagan/Bush all during the 80's and 90's while himself holding extremist liberal positions across the board on social issues, including being the first governor in U.S. history to push and install Gay Marriage legislation... and now that he's running for President as a "Republican," Mitt Romney wants us to believe he's a fan of Reagan? What a big phony Mitt Romney is. What a fraud. The fact is, he was a Reagan-Hater. This is a guy who as an adult supported liberal Democratic presidential candidates Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis and Paul Tsongas, all during the Reagan/Bush years.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elx3UWmyAY4


Today Mitt Romney pays lip service to conservative positions while quietly pushing a liberal agenda through his hand-picked judicial appointees 75% of whom are known liberals, Democratic party activists, and left-leaning Independents.


http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/07/25/romney _jurist_picks_not_tilted_to_gop/


Romney is no conservative, or republican

BUT IN NAME ONLY


Romney jurist picks not tilted to GOP
Independents, Democrats get call

By Raphael Lewis, Globe Staff | July 25, 2005


Governor Mitt Romney, who touts his conservative credentials to out-of-state Republicans, has passed over GOP lawyers for three-quarters of the 36 judicial vacancies he has faced, instead tapping registered Democrats or independents -- including two gay lawyers who have supported expanded same-sex rights, a Globe review of the nominations has found.

Of the 36 people Romney named to be judges or clerk magistrates, 23 are either registered Democrats or unenrolled voters who have made multiple contributions to Democratic politicians or who voted in Democratic primaries, state and local records show. In all, he has nominated nine registered Republicans, 13 unenrolled voters, and 14 registered Democrats.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/07/25/romney _jurist_picks_not_tilted_to_gop/


Wobbie
continues to show his stupidity without remorse.

"You and General Rush will enjoy the McCain era..."

Morons like you have been crowing about the demise of Conservatism ever since Burke defined it.

McShame is NOT a conservative and the base knows this. McShame is a decrepit old (72) compromiser and has about as much chance of winning as you do of growing up any time soon.

All Fred needs to do is get Hunter or Michael Steele onboard as his VEEP and it's all over but the crying. Except for you libstain's of course!

wobbie wites:
..sorry you and Fat Rush's days are drawing to a close.

LOL HEY, did you answer tail2long's .mil addy YET? Didn't think so. BTW how did that helo trip go for you and the Disgruntled ex Lt Col? Did you take enough quarters? twit

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just won’t matter!
http://fred08.com/
http://vets4fred.net/
NO MORE HOLDING OUR NOSE AND PULLING THAT LEVER!!
VOTE FOR A REAL REPUBLICAN!! NO MORE RINO’s!!!



Elmer Gantry (Huck) for Pres!
Huckabee lets MURDERS free in Arkansas who become my Missouri's problem when as a Jesus accepting criminal, they come here and Rape and Murder Missouri women! Thanks Huck for nothing.

Huckabee is Elmer Gantry reincarnate. He DESTROYED public taxpayer property hard drives on computers. You have to wonder what he needed to hide!!! Name any other state where this is established practice for an out going governor!

Judicial Watch, a non-profit political watchdog puts Huck at number 6 on their top ten list of corrupt politicians. We all know what good law abiding politicians come out of Hope Arkansas.

Hillary, Rudy and Obama make this list as well as others. Check it out and ask yourself if you want any of these 10?
http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list -washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007

David Limbaugh writes:
" these experts "don't know nuthin'."

You got that right, many here on TH have been saying look at the man (yes, this includes billary) and quit worrying about the bunch of morons from the “fourth estate” telling you which candidates do stand a chance! They, like us, only get a vote. DO NOT let them choose the POTUS for you!!

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just won’t matter!
http://fred08.com/
http://vets4fred.net/
NO MORE HOLDING OUR NOSE AND PULLING THAT LEVER!!
VOTE FOR A REAL REPUBLICAN!! NO MORE RINO’s!!!




Speaking of Observations
Just posted one on my blog (click on my handle and pass the link to your friends) on Barack Hussein Obambi. Tool of the Left and pawn for the world. (Even the Socialists in Germany love HIM!)

Also, from the minds of the libstains at Dummie's Underground.

http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/



Doc
Robert aka Pilgrim would have to first fly from Denver to be with his "hero" in Pa! But I have a cheaper way for Wobbie to get there.


RUN FORREST RUN!

Attention ALL!
Besides heading to my blog ASAP! today is Honor America Day.

To honor America,

All CONSERVATIVES will drive with their lights ON from sunrise until sunset.

All LIBERALS will drive with their lights OFF from sundown to sunrise.

Limbaugh
Huck would combine the talents of Peanut Jimmy and Elmer Gantry. The worst is that he would do it with an R behind his name. Its early, and as futile as it looks, i still hope for an alternative to the Dem candidate, but Huck is not it. If it should actually come down to Huck vs B Hussein O, i will not just vote fringe, i will vote for BHO. Let the looney left take the smear. At least that would leave a label for an alternative in 2012.

Guns
Good peice on MT suit! BTW I hear they have a shortage of quarters in Denver? One can only hope!

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just won’t matter!
http://fred08.com/
http://vets4fred.net/
NO MORE HOLDING OUR NOSE AND PULLING THAT LEVER!!
VOTE FOR A REAL REPUBLICAN!! NO MORE RINO’s!!!

Ugh....
Does Robert Robert ever STFU?
Rush is Right and so is David.
Whine, Robbie, Whine!

Savage99
LOL I could never vote for an MT suit libsquirt, or their close friends, rudary, huckary, mittary, or Mcquack. But I will take two pens and my little orphan Annie secret decoder ring, and write in Fred's name into the box in code, in the unlikely event he does not get the Nom.

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just won’t matter!
http://fred08.com/
http://vets4fred.net/
NO MORE HOLDING OUR NOSE AND PULLING THAT LEVER!!
VOTE FOR A REAL REPUBLICAN!! NO MORE RINO’s!!!

Here we go with the whining
The Repub Party is in 100% control of which candidate to run in November. Stop whining about the media and the "experts" and the pundits. True conservatives, by the way, will focus on getting the conservative message out. Anti-liberals, like Limbaugh, will focus on liberals.


Nee
I GET IT, that’s satire right? Waiting for wobbie or the Disgruntled ex Lt Col or any of these TH libsquirts to shut up is like waiting for libs to get their minds “right”. And about as much fun as watching cement dry!

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just won’t matter!
http://fred08.com/
http://vets4fred.net/
NO MORE HOLDING OUR NOSE AND PULLING THAT LEVER!!
VOTE FOR A REAL REPUBLICAN!! NO MORE RINO’s!!!

I'm guessing
I'm guessing Robert doesn't have a job or a family. He comments on virtually every article on Townhall.
®

Reason writes:
True conservatives, by the way, will focus on getting the conservative message out.

Write on! I do everyday. And it's easy because there are only two running, Fred and Duncan!

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just won’t matter!
http://fred08.com/
http://vets4fred.net/
NO MORE HOLDING OUR NOSE AND PULLING THAT LEVER!!
VOTE FOR A REAL REPUBLICAN!! NO MORE RINO’s!!!

Democrat(R); theres a lot of them
Currently there are a host of liberals, 2 conservatives, and one libertarian running in the Republican primaries. The two conservatives are Hunter and Thompson, the libertarian is obviously Ron Paul. That leaves the rest as liberals. Huckleberry is just as big a tax and spend liberal as Rudy. In fact the “fair tax” is a tax increase for 95% of the population unless you make a lot of assumptions concerning things that are not in the legislation.

And no the media is doing everything it can to play down Fred and Fred has called both NBC and Fox on it. The key is for true conservatives to not listen to the media and vote the way they want.

Voting
You know, if people are going to vote based upon someone's personality, then the electorate truly are a bunch of morons.
If Christians are going to vote for someone simply because he/she is a Christian and not look at the issues, they are truly, pardon me, morons. I, by the way am Christian.
If people are going to vote for a candidate just because the media or the dnc or RNC proclaim them to be the one, they are morons also.
Look at the issues. Look up the voting records. Look up past statements.
We won't find the candidate with whom we agree on 100% of issues unless we are voting for ourselves. We can find the best for the job.
If you want a conservative, it's Fred.
If you want a RINO, it's any of the others besides Hunter.

I did notice that Fox ignored Rudy and Fred. Chris Wallace talked with Brit Hume about how he did that on purpose because the other 3 were the front runners.
So, Chris, how do you expect anyone to learn anything about the other 2? I mean, you did invite them to the debate. Did you only do that for show?

All 15 points. Spot on!

The MOST disappointing are #5, #6, #7.

And, as MUCH as it REALLY annoys me to have to admit this, being a FOX fan, and finding paul a classic twit, if FOX was as fair and balanced as they claim, both paul and Hunter would (should) have been included in the NH debate (space not withstanding!)

It was obvious that Wallace had an agenda... and that's truly disappointing...




Di d y'all know...
that Fox News originally claimed they were having their forum in something mobile (an RV or a bus, is what I heard), but when it came down to the actual forum, they decided to hold it in a BUILDING?

Gee....that's odd. Does anyone else see the trickery in all of this? I feel anxious for the state of our republic when the media has such a big hand in deciding politics for us. No wonder so many don't even bother to vote.

Doc
I'm with you.

Fred for POTUS

Hunter or Steele for VEEP

Sod the rest of em!

Robert....
The Limbaugh's will be around as long as THEY want to be - you leave in a pipedream world!

David
"13. Republicans and conservatives should be focused on principle and advancing the conservative agenda, not sacrificing those principles in pursuit of party victory. "

Oh please do, please! You are making a crucial mistake and taking a step away from reality when you call yourselves conservative. You are fundamentalist conservatives no where near the same creature.

Fred is a fantasy
The fact that some folks still think that Fred could win sufficient primaries to get the nomination at this point is a total FANTASY.

Go ahead, tell me all the states you think that Fred can win from now through the "Super Tsunami Tuesday" primaries in February.

South Carolina? Nope, Huckabee is way ahead there. Social conservatives won't desert a Baptist pastor for a federalist who punts on the Federal Marriage Amendment.

Nevada? Nope, Romney is ahead there.

The only way Fred can possibly get the nomination is as a "dark horse" candidate to break a deadlock at a brokered convention. And that is a rather low probability scenario.

So let's stop the fantasies and focus on realities. One of these four men is going to be the GOP nominee: Romney, McCain, Giuliani, or Huckabee.


GunnyG/Doc/Anne
did you see that the Doofus showed up. I have a question for wobbie and the Doofus


"Which one of you two is Hatman? And which one is wobbin?

FRED HEAD SPEAKS
The LIVE FREE OR DIE people in New Hampshire will clean a lot of clocks today!

All the media hype dog and pony shows are over and the New Hampshireites will show they are still tough and independent.

Huckabee will stumble Big Time

Romney will maintain his turf exceeding 25%

Guiliani will perform very well comrding in second

Thompson's conservative in dedpth message will be well appreciated and give a strong third

McCain's liberal wing will drift over to Rudy, McCain is too old!

please....
dont wish mc cain on us rob! please!
i've been trying to feel normal..with a zillion pills for this problem and that problem, etc.
but since TUGBOAT HAS WEIGHED IN AGAINST ROMNEY..
i know things are still normal..heh heh heh.
how ya doing talent scout?
this article is very good! when the L.A. TIMES endorses someone...i normally vote for the other guy/gal! so much for experts! romney ,rudy,hillary,fred,etc. are not dead! no body except america is dead if huckster survives!
a definition of EXPERT: "AN EX..IS A HAS BEEN, A
SPURT(PERT): IS A DRIP UNDER PRESSURE !
READ CAL THOMAS ARTICLE ABOUT ENGLAND/MUSLIMS! A REAL WAKE UP CALL! ELVIS

SSGT/GunnyG/Doc/Anne
Hey I said the Bush Regime did something right:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hal-donahue/bushs-greatest-mi litary-_b_80279.html

"Bush's Greatest Military Success" - amazing actually and I mean it

Fred and Rudy still standing March?
What are the chances of Mitt or McCain winning SC? Will Huckabuck win l00% of the Southern Baptist delegets, if not what percent? Will Fred win a chunk of those Southern Baptist who hold a very conservative tilt and what percent with the right wing Reagen conservatives? If so how big a chunk? What percent of conservative Republican, both Southern Baptist, and Independent conservative votes will Mitt draw?, this can go on and on and on. Nothing is clear until after Feb. How thin and who makes the line up going into Feb? Rudy's on his way to FL. will he be able to win there because of all the time he's devoted? Mitt spent millions in time and money but lost in Iowa...and so it goes.

GunnyG, SSGT, Anne, Doc
Good morning to all of you!!

GunnyG: Had your blog with my psychic cup of coffee. Mmmmm, that's better...!!

Anne: Sorry I skipped out on you roll yesterday! Had to help my kids with her math... :-(

Doc: Now that it's warm, take your dad out for a roll in the fresh air! Just be careful to not let him get control of the wheelchair...He'll take off!!

SSGT: I am SO SORRY about last night, but I did enjoy the OSU band's tribute to the branches of the military. That alone made me cry...sniff...

CHANGE?

.....Change from what? ...into what? ...

.....Does that question ever get asked? ...I think the problem is that we have changed too much ...we are changing from a Republic to a quasi Socialist Government ....

.....There is no Constitutional Authority for the Federal Government to be involved in health care ...yet many believe it should be and demand it ...

.....When the average citizen does not understand the tenets his/her own Government is founded opon ...then change will come and it will not be a change for the better .....COLOSSUS

Hmmm...
Been reading and hearing conservatives complain of negative ads. Conservatives were always thick skinned, being used to constant assaults by the MSM and Dems. When did we get so sensitive?

My son's lefty gym teacher told her class that she changed party's so she can vote Repub in the primary. She doesn't care who gets the nominee on the Dem side because she is happy with them all, but wants to affect the GOP primary. I wonder how many others are doing that? Probably a lot as true conservatives would never vote for the Huckster or McCain who seem to be buddying up.

I disagree with the poster who claims Rush is done. I think what people are seeing is the infiltration of libs in the camp trying to destroy the base from within. One 'professed' conservative said Romney was too uncompassionate because he didn't pardon any criminals. What conservative has that complaint?! Conservatives love justice and would not cry over a rapist serving his time. I believe a lot more like my son's gym teacher have infiltrated our ranks. What they couldn't do via the MSM, protests and legislation, they are doing quietly from within.

We need to weed them out and pull together.

GOOD OL GIRL

.....Huckabee is not a member of the "Religious Right" ...he represents a new breed ..."The Religious Left" ...he is a social conservative and liberal on every thing else ...in other words, except for his lack of experience in foreign affairs, he is exactly like GW only more so ...

.....I don't think that most Conservative Republicans want to see another GW in the White House ...certainly the Democrats don't and a Huckabee nomination would be a disaster for the Republicans ...

.....Logically Christian "Conservatives" in SC should support Thompson over a liberal Huckabee ...so it will be interesting to see how that match up between the two comes out ... my gut feeling is that the nomination will come down to Mitt and Rudy on Super Tuesday and that whichever one picks up the most big States will get the nomination ...the MSM has been pushing McCain in an effort to get Romney out of the race early so that tells me they would probably prefer that Rudy bacame the Republican nominee .....COLOSSUS

.....

It dawned on me
Why the Huckster, and McCain have teamed up. McCain is a Baptist also. He said he hasn't been baptised yet, but plans to be after the primaries. But their views are a lot the same, and can gang up on the Mormon.

I hope people will listen to Fred Thompson's message. Fred is really a true conservative. As Rush pointed out, he speaks "deep" and well thought out.
I also noticed that Chris Wallace cut Thompson off more than once when he was explaining where he stands on something. Guess he was making too much sense.

David
1. Are you suggesting that conservatives are fine with the status quo? Critical for a Republican candidate is to correctly identify the problems and then craft solutions (a change is it not?) consistent with Republican principles. Oh, and one more thing -- the Republican candidate needs to be articulate enough to explain why the solution is better.

2. Why on earth would you think they accept this premise? Voters have been led to believe that drawing distinctions is attack politics; politicians go along because it is useful for them. You need to be more cynical about your politicians.

3. Money, David, money. Thanks to McCain (should disqualify him) and Feingold Republicans have laid down some arms and fewer candidates will find money to stay in. Obama is raising money; Clinton has some money; Others are about dry. Romney has money; Bloomberg has money. Unless other candidates find a gusher they are done. Let's see what it looks like with next FEC filings.

4, 5, 6, 7, 8 & 9: The importance of early wins is that they influence the contributors. People bet on the winners. Follow the money.

11. That's because the Republicans don't understand, as Reagan did with the Cold War, that this war is also about economics. Romney has the best chance of finding the right argument. In some ways this is similar to China; Romney has that figured out.

YLG & All: Good Morning to You
Woke up to snow this morning, which is getting to be old news here.

Anne -- I hope you had a good night's rest; Gosh that was a stubborn troll. He was reduced to a sound bite and still couldn't (actually chose not to) admit that he had no argument.

Don't bother GunnyG today, as he is in mourning. Keep the trolls away.

I'm off to a meeting, but Anne I will be lurking sometime today.

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YLG writes:
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GunnyG, SSGT, Anne, Doc
Good morning to all of you!!

baseballdoc
Good post, but maybe you're trying to close the door after the horse is out of the barn.

There are so many regulations and rules, laws and organizations in this country that are either not mandated or authorized by the Constitution or which are in direct contravention of the Consititution that it looks to me that we left our nation's founding ethos in the dust back around 1913 and haven't even thought of returning to it. We are rapidly evolving into a socialist kleptocracy with one ruling party which has all the power of eternal office gathered to it. Think Bush-Clinton-Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton-Clinton-Bush-etc.

We all expect Democrats to be socialists, that goes with the territory. What we don't expect is a Republican to be a closet socialist, yet that's what we seems to have in Huckabee and Romney. McCain is unsure what he is, but whatever it is, it isn't even close to being a Republican -- maybe he looks conservative when compared with his friend Senator Kennedy. Guliani? Who knows what he is? The rest of the field, while interesting and composed of good men, is, at most a Greek chorus, providing interesting and necessary counterpoint to the main event. Maybe the Republican nominee will pick a few good ideas from them.

My worst fear is a national election where the choices are Hillary, Rudy and Mike Bloomberg.

Pretty sad, eh?

Barry

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Fred
nanna...no doubt about it Fred's the candidate with a mouth full of wisdom teeth.

baseballdoc...I agree that Rudy is most likely to be the nominee...why? Because he is the most loveable of the lot. Now I'm a natural born Texan, as Rudy is a natural born NY'r. One might think Texan's might not like NYer's...well,we do when they are tough, streetwise, human and honest about their warts and shortcommings...We like the way Rudy handled 911 and he brings a grin to our lips...He make's us feel safe and secure, we trust him with the country...he needs to clean up his position on gun restriction and make it more clear on his judge appointments. But, if Fred does not get the nomination Rudy is my second pick. Mitt is a really attractive guy, and no doubt a good human being, and I really like his fiscal skills, but, I really have not been able to get a handle how much of what he says, as with Huckabee, strickly on political policy...haveing nothing to do with eithers faith, how much is spin to win and how much is the change of mind. The records are not consistant with their current spin. Fred has never changed, and Rudy, well we are willing to take a chance on him, because he did what he said he did...period

The most important part of the column
is the last three paragraphs in which Limbaugh discusses the redefinition of the GOP with RINO candidates, a theme I've discussed often on my blog (click my name, if you're interested).

This is a real danger, and if the GOP becomes simply a branch of liberalism, Democrat-Lite, this country's in real trouble.

Depending on who ultimately wins the GOP nomination, it may actually be better in the long run for the Dem nominee to win. A one-term administration a la Carter would open the door for a truly conservative GOP candidate to win next time.

Conservatism sells, a message the current GOP poo-bahs refuse to learn, but which is reinforced by the elections of Jindahl and Palin to governorships of their respective states. As a matter of fact, a Jindahl/Palin or Palin/Jindahl ticket in 2012 would be virtually unbeatable, IMO.

Further, a GOP ticket comprised of a minority and a woman would make the libs' heads explode, and I'd pay good money to see that.

Change is in the eye of the beholder
I have said for some time that we needed change, and that the country was going in the wrong direction. Now the liberal spinners are saying that 80 percent of the country wants change, and that change is "bring the troops home", "free health care", "quit fighting each other", and on and on. THAT IS NOT WHAT I MEANT AT ALL when I filled out the poll.
I meant a change from liberalism, a change from letting illegals get away with staying here,, a change from political correctness.,a change from pork barrel spending, from the government sticking it's nose into every part of my life, from smoking to what kind of light bulbs I can use. That is what I was talking about!!!!!!!!!!

YLG
"YUG" howdy deary. I cried too! But not so much for the military tribute. I wonder if my steak is still any good. Its still pasted against the side of the garage I think. I guess I'll just have to settle for crow instead.

POLITICIANS ARE LIKE DIAPERS

.....THEY NEED TO BE CHANGED OFTEN ...AND FOR THE SAME REASON .....COLOSSUS

BrianR: Spot On +
By action the Republican poo-bahs (love this term) accept (embrace?) RINOs to stay in power. I'm with you this is bad for everybody.

What to do? Consider health care, which is a problem for everybody. Exactly, what is the problem? The first step, of course, is to correctly identify the problem. Certainly, universal health care is seductive and that's something positive the Dems are offering. What's the Repub alternative? I can't think of a positive alternative -- except perhaps some vague stuff about the free markets.

It seems to me the problem is that the cost of health care is rising much more quickly than the rest of the economy. So, why is that? What does a solution look like? Obviously, we won't get it all here in a post, but Republicans will know that for the most part this is not a Federal Government problem. So let's get out of most of it, which begins to let the free markets work. There is an element of Interstate Commerce associated with the paperwork and collaboration of businesses through the country. So what can the Federal Government reasonably do to promote standards and minimize some of the transactional costs? Etc. The point is that Republicans should be competent, provide some leadership (not follow the health care mantra), and craft a limited government solution.

A Palin & Jindahl ticket is a very interesting idea! Well done.

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BrianR writes:
Tuesday, January, 08, 2008 10:38 AM

Conservatism sells, a message the current GOP poo-bahs refuse to learn, but which is reinforced by the elections of Jindahl and Palin to governorships of their respective states. As a matter of fact, a Jindahl/Palin or Palin/Jindahl ticket in 2012 would be virtually unbeatable, IMO.

Further, a GOP ticket comprised of a minority and a woman would make the libs' heads explode, and I'd pay good money to see that.

BUSH...
What the heck is Bush? Well, he said while campaign'n he'd work both sides of the isle...he sure as heck did that. He siad he'd cut taxes...he sure as heck did that...he said he'd try to improve education...hum. He said he would appoint conservative judges to the USSC...he sure as heck did that. Then came 911...he promished to fight and win...well he sure as heck went to fight and now he's fight'n to win. He didn't promise this...but there's no doubt he darn sure has done it...he hijacked the Democratic platform and they've been runn'n around chasing their liberal socialist tails ever since. They've just come up with a slogan of change, but haven't really been able to sell that as a platform, because they haven't been able to come up with a change that Bush hasn't already swiped from em. Bring the troops home in 60 days...weak, weak weak. Wonder what these faux geniuses will come up with next?

SSGT
Dang, you are funny!! You know Lumberjack will have a smile pasted on his face today!! I didn't have the heart to watch the game after halftime.

There's is a law somewhere that states that steak is still good the following day, regardless of where it was stored. Don't eat crow.... ;-)

BTW, il roberto is over at another thread making a fool of himself. Want to join me??

Experts are always wrong
They said NYC was ungovernable. Then when Giuliani made it civil again, they said he was a Hitler and fascist (their favorite objective assessments).

They said going off the gold standard would create worldwide depression (there wasn't).
They said we were in another ice age (and now they say we are in an over-heated aga).
They said banning DDT would save I don't know what (but they've killed 70 million people with malaria since 1972-I guess it decreased he exness population).
They said pulling out of Vietnam was moral (and never noticed the Carter ec. of high inflation, high interest, low employment, and overseas disasters like a kidnapped embassy and invastion of Afghanistan).

So, why are they experts?

elko.mike
Hey, I thought you were in a meeting!

NANNA - NEVER TAKE POLLS

.....Now do you understand how the media and the pollsters skew poll results? ....best advise is ...never participate in a poll ...especially if it requires a one word answer ...

EX: Poll question: "Do you want to end the war and bring the troops home"? ...now who would answer no to that? ...if you answer yes but mean that you want to win the war first ...your meaning will not show up in the poll results which will be reported as: "Americans overwhelming against the war and want to bring the troops home" ...

.....These polls are conducted by experts who aim for a pre-determined conclusion and are biased to that end .....COLOSSUS

YLG
For you, ANYTHANNNGGG!!! Let me know where the puke is and I'll be there. After all, I'm hungry and grouchy today!

Diapers?
baseballdoc...good giggle...Hillary would have done better with her faux tears if she'd been pictured changing a poopy diaper...now that brings real tears.


Elko, great example: Healthcare
The reason your example is so great is evident right here in my state, Leftifornia.

We have a purportedly Republican Governator who's a great example of what will happen on the national level if the GOP doesn't stop its leftward drift. He caucuses with the Sacramento Democrats, ignores the Republicans, and treats the conservatives like they have rabies.

And last year, HE -- a "Republican" -- proposed UHC for the state; socialized medicine.

Is this where we want the rest of the country to end up? As California writ large?

SSGT
He's over at the Prager thread, making a fool of himself, and taking the bait I left for him!!

Christmas came early this year!!

YLG
I'm trying to get into the thread, but its kicking me out. Dangit, what else can happen, another interception?

SSGT
It's weird. I can't get on GunnyG's blog, either. I did this AM, but it won't even go to "page can't display". Every time I click on his handle, or go to the blogs, it just displays the same page I'm on.

("Twilight Zone" theme begins....)

YLG
I'm gone. I have a head cold that is pushing my eyeballs out of their sockets! I'll chech back in tomorrow. Have a great day, deary!

SSGT
I hope you get better, and that you didn't get it from me!! See ya tomorrow!!

YLG writes:
SSGT
Dang, you are funny!! You know Lumberjack will have a smile pasted on his face today!! I didn't have the heart to watch the game after halftime.


Not a smile, just a brief grin, and the satisfaction of seeing the pundits proved wrong again. Seems that script Ohio did not help much.

Lumberjack7392
Oooooh, you know Primus54 is going to read that.

Take pity on the poor guy, won't you??

I did enjoy the tribute by the OSU band, though...

ylg
i see the missus clinton is now searching for the sympathy vote. But with the brass ring still within reach the socialist heroine isn't going to go down, excuse the pun, without a fight. But for the dims it matters not which of the three socialists gets the nod as all are interchangable. But what the tears and bewildered look did show was that the control freak, the missus clinton, just can't visualize what is occuring. In her world the coronation was inevitible and she thought every state would lay down the red carpet for her toi stride down while adoring lackeys would be singing her praises while she had that cat who swallowed the canary look in her eyes. However, it seems that the msm who were acting like they were escorting the prom queen to the dance suddenly discovered prince charming with his watermelon grin and sonorous voice had more appeal. Once the iowa results were in, it confirmed what the media knew all along that oblahma was more appealing. But like rats escaping the sinking ship they withheld judgement until iowa told them it was safe to man the lifeboats. But what if the missus clinton recovers. Will the msm act contrite and again seek to put themselves back into the good graces of queen hillary

YAWN
Life is good....

BrianR: Leftifornia is done
Hey, I pulled out of that place in 2004 and took a very nice pile of 401(k) cash with me. Heh heh. Why? Just for reasons such as this.

Now let us imagine that we devolve the health care problem to the states, which is where you and I agree it belongs. The lefty states can implement UHC and the right-thinking states can try alternatives. Let's see what happens and let's see where the people want to live. That sounds like a real Republican idea to me. The lefties won't like it because the folks who want to make money, I'm willing to bet, will move to the right-thinking states. But the fact of the matter is that it is a free country and if UHC is important to you then move to a state that offers it. Let's try it and see what happens.

The point is that there are valid Republican alternatives to the Dems road-to-ruins "free" health care for all. The US can't afford the "free" health care it already provides.



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BrianR writes:
Tuesday, January, 08, 2008 11:09 AM
Elko, great example: Healthcare
The reason your example is so great is evident right here in my state, Leftifornia.

Iowa evangelicals flex their muscle
Iowa showed that evangelicals are still a force in the political process.

In the Iowa caucuses evangelicals demonstrated some strength.

Maybe in the remainder of the primary season evangelicals will demonstrate some intelligence.

Let's hope so...

wildwest
You pegged it in that post: she DID think it was an easy ride to the WH. I'm a woman, inventor of melodrama, but even I will not succumb to tears like that. My hubby calls it (crying to get your way) an act of terrorism, and he doesn't deal with terrorists!

Sad to say, but it is very transparent how the media goes wherever the wind is blowing. So much for being impartial. And, if HRC recovers from Iowa, there will be plenty of h3ll to pay. So, just in case she does a comeback, they are currently portraing her tears as an act of a sacrificing parent (HRC) towards an errant child (THE COUNTRY)that must be placed in an intervention.

Someone should tell her we, the country, are not on drugs....

Yes, Elko, I agree fully
That absolutely is the whole idea behind federalism; well said.

And you are right; we're done out here. Stick a fork in us.


YLG -- I was; finished it; did another
and now I'm headed back to a 3rd one. Part of my employment agreement is that I get to work from home. So when a meeting is finished I pop out and check on TH. That's a warning to Anne about troll feeding. Back to work now.

Sounds like you all have a hot troll feed elsewhere go get 'em.

l8r.

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YLG writes:
Tuesday, January, 08, 2008 10:59 AM
elko.mike
Hey, I thought you were in a meeting!

Hal Doofus writes:
YAWN
Life is good....

It would be so much better if you left.

BTW, I noticed that you could NOT list one bill, program or anything Senators Clinton and Obama have accomplshed while in the Senate. Could they not even get a bill naming a Post office or Federal Building named for a prominent democrat passed?

Lumberjack7392 writes:
"Seems that script Ohio did not help much..."

Ooooo... that was cold, Lumberjack!

Congrats on the game, however.

:-)

Primus54 writes:
Lumberjack7392 writes:
"Seems that script Ohio did not help much..."

Ooooo... that was cold, Lumberjack!

Congrats on the game, however.

:-)

Sorry about the loss. Just remember there were 117 other teams that wanred to be there.


BrianR: Indeed
This discussion is interesting in the context of risk. Not likely, but it is possible that the Republicans could be wrong and UHC is a good thing. Why risk our whole country, which is really the future of our children and grandchildren, on such an experiment if we don't have to? We can try it for a time in some places and if it proves valuable it will migrate to other states. Done. If it doesn't we haven't ruined the country on a silly idea. We simply don't have to make an all-or-nothing bet and we shouldn't with a future that's not ours to bet. Besides all of that the Federal solution is American!!! Get it!

Couldn't that be sold on the campaign trail? Hey folks, we agree that this is a problem. However, we don't want to bet the future of our children and grandchildren on an experiment, such as UHC. We don't have to. Here's what we can do. blah, blah, blah. People are reasonable (some on TH notwithstanding) and will, I think, give such a proposal a chance.

After all, what is an election but selling your ideas (marketing campaign) to voters? An effective campaign must understand what the voter's needs and concerns, find a solution, and then offer something better than the other guy.

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BrianR writes:
Tuesday, January, 08, 2008 12:40 PM
Yes, Elko, I agree fully
That absolutely is the whole idea behind federalism; well said.

And you are right; we're done out here. Stick a fork in us.

Is the Republican Party For Sale?
Hugh argued that whoever wins the democratic nomination will have tons of money (soros etc) so we need Mitt's Money to ensure we remain competitive. Considering Mitt's new born-again conservative positions, all a person has to do to become a republican party establishment candidate is have enough money and change his or her positions to suit the establishment's conservative standard and voila! they are the nominee to beat. The Republican party credibility is at stake, if we begin by annointing a nominee based on the going price then work backwards to convince the base to vote for the annointed nominee - we as a party have lost our soul and sold out to the highest bidder. This primary should have been about our principles as a party and what distinguishes us from democrats, then proceeded to listen to all candidates and find a good pair who can win in November - then begin fund raising for them to meet the Soro's etc challenge. If Mitt's Money buys the nomination - republicans have a problem with members like myself becoming independent and hardly ever voting republican again. I hope republicans do not sell out principles to the highest bidder. Lets get a strong pro-life/security-foreign policy ticket like Huck/McCaine. Our principles will allow us to keep the whitehouse and our respect/dignity.


Lumberjack: Have to Ask
if there is a prominent, other than for criminal reasons, Dem?
Isn't that the first requirement before submitting such a bill?

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Could they not even get a bill naming a Post office or Federal Building named for a prominent democrat passed?

Lumberjack7392
"It would be so much better if you left."

I just arrived LOL?

"BTW, I noticed that you could NOT list one bill, program or anything Senators Clinton and Obama have accomplshed while in the Senate. Could they not even get a bill naming a Post office or Federal Building named for a prominent democrat passed? "

No I said go to their websites and check it out

Well, Elko, a further point on that
The states can certainly experiment on that. However, I know of no clause in the Constitution that authorizes that kind of expenditure by the Federal Government.

As Madison wrote: "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution
which granted a right to Congress of expending,
on the objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."

That's pretty straightforward, and very easy to understand.

Hal D
"See Sean run LMAO"
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Real nice. Another fine example of peace lovin' liberal tolerance and maturity.

This is the reason why the 2nd amendment is so important.


Hal Doofus writes:
Lumberjack7392
"It would be so much better if you left."

I just arrived LOL?

"BTW, I noticed that you could NOT list one bill, program or anything Senators Clinton and Obama have accomplshed while in the Senate. Could they not even get a bill naming a Post office or Federal Building named for a prominent democrat passed? "

No I said go to their websites and check it out

No, you gave a bunch of generic BRAVO SIERRS, about their qualifications. I want you to tell me, or are their quals another of your flights of fancy?

GunnyG-Anne-BrianR-Ssgt-YLG-Lumber
Rush has HOWM MANY MILLION LISTENERS A DAY?

David ALWAYS on of the most read columns!

Wobbie says they are through?

WHO IS THE IDIOT IN THIS SCENARIO?

Hahaha, George
Yeah, I'll settle for that level of failure, any day of the week.


Kat
"Real nice. Another fine example of peace lovin' liberal tolerance and maturity."

Paul is not a liberal but Hannity is evidently a coward LOL

"This is the reason why the 2nd amendment is so important. "

Oh they should be shot? or forced into a militia?

Georgetwin
"Rush has HOWM MANY MILLION LISTENERS A DAY?"

He claims 25 but my question is how many are captive to the stations which have traffic info?

"David ALWAYS on of the most read columns!

Wobbie says they are through?"

David depends on Rush. Rush has definitely jumped the shark only downhill from here. Will he hang around oh probably in some corner of AM land

Georgetwin writes:
GunnyG-Anne-BrianR-Ssgt-YLG-Lumber
Rush has HOWM MANY MILLION LISTENERS A DAY?

David ALWAYS on of the most read columns!

Wobbie says they are through?

WHO IS THE IDIOT IN THIS SCENARIO?

Well, we have always known Rockhead J. Squirrel's level of intellectual development, or lack thereof.

I suspect that more people listen to Rush in one day than listen to Airhead America in a year.

BrianR: Precisely
That's the reason I suggested the Federal Governments contribution should be, under the ICC, making it as easy as possible for the transactional work (filing insurance forms for instance) as possible by establishing standards to do so, while at the same time removing burdensome regulation. Any suggestions beyond that would need to be examined.

A further justification for this idea. It is claimed by some that UHC actually saves money. Let's see if the taxes will go down in CA after it is implemented. If it does then we have a proof point and other states are free to follow along.

If we really, really want it on a national level there is a way to get it done -- by Amendment.

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BrianR writes:
Tuesday, January, 08, 2008 1:03 PM
Well, Elko, a further point on that
The states can certainly experiment on that. However, I know of no clause in the Constitution that authorizes that kind of expenditure by the Federal Government.

Heh heh, Elko
Yeah, I've seen that "saves money" claim, too. I think all we need to do is look to Canada or the UK to see the truth in THAT claim.

Of course you can save money, when you don't treat people!

If government-run healthcare is so good, how come every vet I know -- including myself -- avoids the VA system like the plague if they possibly can?

Who wants a healthcare system brought to you by the same folks who bring you the DMV and the Post Office?


I was
totally knocked off the web for quite a while. We are on satellite for our net, and have heavy cloud cover, and all the tornados to the north and east of us in Arkansas. Don't know how long I will be on this time.

I wanted to tell Baseballdoc that I will not be taking anymore polls!! I have learned my lesson.

PS, Elko
You're also right that the only truly legal way to implement on the national level is an amendment.


Hal - yawn!
"Rush has definitely jumped the shark only downhill from here. Will he hang around oh probably in some corner of AM land"

People have been predicting Rush's demise for over fifteen years.

LOL, Ken
Maybe he'll start copying Air America's business model.

Then Hal would be right.

BrianR
Hal probably thinks Air America still has a promising future.

Hint to you, Ken
Don't buy any stock!

BrianR/Elko
"Yeah, I've seen that "saves money" claim, too. I think all we need to do is look to Canada or the UK to see the truth in THAT claim."

Can't speak about Canada but the UK system isn't bad and overall health and waiting times are less - look it up.

"If government-run healthcare is so good, how come every vet I know -- including myself -- avoids the VA system like the plague if they possibly can?"

Here a lot of folks fight to get into the VA system that is one reason why the wait time failures..

"Who wants a healthcare system brought to you by the same folks who bring you the DMV and the Post Office? "

Read this pretty good news isn't it? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hal-donahue/bushs-greatest-m ilitary-_b_80279.html

BrianR
I wonder if Hal has invested his life's savings in America? If so, it will only confirm what we already know - that he's out of touch with reality!

Ken
"People have been predicting Rush's demise for over fifteen years. "

No skin off me if he is, as long as, there is balance for his lies or wait lets be correct twisting of reality LOL

Hahahaha, Hal
"Look it up".

Your usual refrain for the nonsense you post.

I suppose that explains all the Canadians from Windsor going to Detroit for their medical care. Yep, that Canadian system; the envy of the world. Modeled after the UK system, which is also bankrupting the country.

And what does "not that bad" mean, anyway?

I guess compared to being being burned at the stake, dying in a car crash is "not that bad".

And btw, Hal, posting a link to Huffington as your source? You kidding me? You think anyone here with half a brain is going to give that any credibility at all?


Gotta laugh, Ken
Hal doesn't even know we live in a republic; he thinks this is a democracy.


Lumberjack7392
Ain't it the truth!?!??!!

HalD
I didn't say a thing about shooting anyone. Just acknowledging the necessary right to bear arms. Maybe you hadn't noticed, but lefty loons (who show enormous support for Paul) are radical...confrontational and dangerous. This is a direct result of their emotional immaturity and complete lack of self control. Leftys are cowards when alone or in small numbers. Put them in a large group and they get dangerously confrontational and often threaten physical violence. Liberals irrational temper tantrums are well known by those who tell them 'no' or 'I disagree'. Where I used to live, election time was scarey for conservatives. Police had to monitor several polling places to ensure the safety of conservatives. Many fights broke out. Guess who threw the 1st punch? Guess who threw the pizza around? Threw their drinks at people? Destroyed property? You bet! Liberal Dems. A lot of us conservatives left the place. Guess what else? The city crumbled when we left.

Hal
"No skin off me if he is, as long as, there is balance for his lies or wait lets be correct twisting of reality LOL"

Rush provides plenty of balance to the lies and distortions in the liberal media. As Rush himself puts it, "I don't have to give equal time. I AM equal time!"

BrianR
"I suppose that explains all the Canadians from Windsor going to Detroit for their medical care. Yep, that Canadian system; the envy of the world. Modeled after the UK system, which is also bankrupting the country."

LMAO I said I know nothing about the Canadian system. The UK system isn't perfect but Bush's wars are bankrupting us far faster than the UK did you check the value of the pound sterling lately?

"And btw, Hal, posting a link to Huffington as your source? You kidding me? You think anyone here with half a brain is going to give that any credibility at all? "

It is my blog and it provides title and author of a medical book. It really highlights a MAJOR accomplishment of the Bush Regime. Don't say I never say anything good


BrianR
"Hal doesn't even know we live in a republic; he thinks this is a democracy."

Hal also claimed that Abraham Lincoln protested the Black Hawk War and that Teddy Roosevelt protested American involvement in World War I.

Ken
"Rush provides plenty of balance to the lies and distortions in the liberal media. As Rush himself puts it, "I don't have to give equal time. I AM equal time!"

LMAO maybe once upon a time no longer. They have a manopoly in the AM spectrem

Ken
"Rush provides plenty of balance to the lies and distortions in the liberal media. As Rush himself puts it, "I don't have to give equal time. I AM equal time!"

LMAO maybe once upon a time no longer. They have a manopoly in the AM spectrem

Kat
"I didn't say a thing about shooting anyone. Just acknowledging the necessary right to bear arms. Maybe you hadn't noticed, but lefty loons (who show enormous support for Paul) are radical...confrontational and dangerous."

Oh no they are all your loons we do have enough of our own but these are yours LOL

"This is a direct result of their emotional immaturity and complete lack of self control. Leftys are cowards when alone or in small numbers."

In my experience those are the righties like the NRA poohba types etc

"Put them in a large group and they get dangerously confrontational and often threaten physical violence. Liberals irrational temper tantrums are well known by those who tell them 'no' or 'I disagree'. Where I used to live, election time was scarey for conservatives. Police had to monitor several polling places to ensure the safety of conservatives. Many fights broke out. Guess who threw the 1st punch? Guess who threw the pizza around? Threw their drinks at people? Destroyed property? You bet! Liberal Dems. A lot of us conservatives left the place. Guess what else? The city crumbled when we left. "

rubbish want tales of the rampant righties? You should see the right to life extremist and Your Phellps people are not the nicest.

Hal
"They have a manopoly in the AM spectrem"

I've never heard of a "manopoly", so I'm assuming you mean "monopoly". AM radio is a free market. If liberals want their own radio networks, they are perfectly free to launch them.

Oh, yeah! They tried that with Air America, didn't they? That network had everything it needed for success - except an audience.

Hal (and Ken)
Well, Hal, it's obviously not a monopoly when Air America still manages to hang on, with all of its three listeners.

Or do you also need to learn what the word "monopoly" means?

If you were at all versant in current affairs, you'd know that many of the countries in the EU are seriously re-evaluating their socialized medicine systems, as it's forcing them into fiscal collapse.

As you like to say: Look It Up.




Ken, the truth and Hal have only a nodding acquaintance, usually just in passing, like ships in the night.

Hal
"Don't say I never say anything good"

You never say anything good.

Get a CLUE, Mark--your post is lies and
distortions!

It was the COURT that put abortion in the Massachusetts health care plan. It was NOT in the plan that Governor Romney signed.

It was also the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court which "install[ed] gay marriage." Massresist has continued to spout illogical lies and legal misinformation about Governor Romney's record.

The TRUTH and FACTS about that record are found in the below document from the true Conservative lawyer David French who co-founded Evangelicals for Mitt:

http://www.evangelicalsformitt.org/massresistance/therealtr uth.pdf

Romney NEVER supported SSM, did everything he legally could to fight it, and is one of very few, if not the only, candidate insisting upon a Federal Defense of Marriage Constitutional Amendment.

BrianR
"Or do you also need to learn what the word "monopoly" means?"

mo·nop·o·ly /m?'n?p?li/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[muh-nop-uh-lee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -lies. 1. exclusive control of a commodity or service in a particular market, or a control that makes possible the manipulation of prices. Compare duopoly, oligopoly.

"If you were at all versant in current affairs, you'd know that many of the countries in the EU are seriously re-evaluating their socialized medicine systems, as it's forcing them into fiscal collapse."

You danced away from reality again read my question and statement. Reevaluating does not mean getting rid off. When the D president gets in office she/he will reevaluate the Iraq War and spendingKen, the truth and Hal have only a nodding acquaintance, usually just in passing, like ships in the night.

BrianR-Lumber
The people predicting Rush’s Demise are the same folks that brought us the Imminent Ice Age, Global Famine, Global Drought and Global Deforestation.

They are as lame as Hillary Clinton with a Sprained Ankle.

-Yes, Hal, correct
So, since you have copied the definition of "monopoly", can you explain how Limbaugh's show is a monopoly?


As to the last half of your post, you lapsed into incoherence, so I have no idea what you're trying to say.




Heh heh heh, George
Yep, like Twain: "The rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated".


Hal Donahue
SO WHAT if he does? They are a PRIVATELY OWNED FAMILY BUSINESS. For nearly 20 years Rush has offered a product The American Marketplace has FLOCKED to! Liberals have tried and FAILED in Talk Radio over and over AGAIN! Air America STUNK and it SILL COULDN’T DRAW FLIES! However, they still have CBS, CNN, MSDNC and DNC + MOST major newspapers. Where is the imbalance?

No, George
Wrong tack. You can't cede that Limbaugh has a monopoly, because he doesn't.


Huckabee aka Elmer Gantry for President!
Huckabee lets MURDERS free in Arkansas who become my Missouri's problem when as a Jesus accepting criminal, they come here and Rape and Murder Missouri women! Thanks Huck for nothing.

Huckabee is Elmer Gantry reincarnate. He DESTROYED public taxpayer property hard drives on computers. You have to wonder what he needed to hide!!! Name any other state where this is established practice for an out going governor!

Judicial Watch, a non-profit political watchdog puts Huck at number 6 on their top ten list of corrupt politicians. We all know what good law abiding politicians come out of Hope Arkansas.

Hillary, Rudy and Obama make this list as well as others. Check it out and ask yourself if you want any of these 10?
http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list -washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007

BrianR
lie after lie after lie



Okay, a deafening silence from Hal
The reality is that "monopoly" has a very specific meaning, and Limbaugh doesn't have a monopoly by any stretch of the imagination.

But libs love to throw around terms like "monopoly" because it enhances their sense of victimhood, and they think it helps them set the stage for restrictions on free speech like those envisioned in the so-called "Fairness Doctrine".

It's really that simple.


Hahahaha, Hal!
Is that your Kenneddy imitation?

Are you a fat drunk, too?

Georgetwin
"SO WHAT if he does? They are a PRIVATELY OWNED FAMILY BUSINESS. For nearly 20 years Rush has offered a product The American Marketplace has FLOCKED to!"

Well you see he is using public airwaves so like highways we all should have access. Personnally, I love having him out there. When I am speaking to hostile audiences or people they generally use Rush's points. The points work for Rush because he regulates who can have access to him. It doesn't work in the real world quite as well LOL.

L"iberals have tried and FAILED in Talk Radio over and over AGAIN! Air America STUNK and it SILL COULDN’T DRAW FLIES! However, they still have CBS, CNN, MSDNC and DNC + MOST major newspapers. Where is the imbalance? "

See those are actually mostly balanced if with a right or left spin. AM media is not at all balanced and that allows Air America to claim they were denied access to the public airways. If true I don't think it had much to do with their failure but there you go

BrianR: I must challenge your statement
that Hal Doofus lapsed into incoherence. Doesn't one have to leave incoherence to in order to lapse into it? Heh. Heh. Can you provide me a single example of HalD leaving incoherence?


HalD: Don't bother I'm off for a time.

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BrianR writes:
Tuesday, January, 08, 2008 2:52 PM



As to the last half of your post, you lapsed into incoherence, so I have no idea what you're trying to say.


LOL, Elko
Point taken!

I stand corrected.

Hal...
I don't support radical anything. I've seen the shameful goofs that were showing up at military funerals disgracing the party. We don't welcome them. Can they be dangerous? I don't think so. They are more insulting and an embarrassment. But I've witnessed far left fringes get very violent. Look, I've got the scars to show for it. And I've had many more rude awakenings since. A war broke out in the 15th district in the mayoral election. Union groups were slashing tires of known conservatives. My neighbor (92 yrs old) had a soda thrown at her and wore someone's pizza. My neighborhood held a meeting a month later. We deduced we are paying the bulk of the taxes and this is how we get treated? We were considering breaking off from the city to become a seperate city. We were outvoted by the inner city so we left one by one. That's a reality. I lived through it and suffered through it until I could get myself in the financial position to get out. Which I've done in 2005. The only conservatives left are the ones too old to move. They vote absent ballot so they don't get attacked again.

Pathetic response to George, Hal
Limbaugh puts those who disagree with him to the head of the line, which lets them bypass a typically VERY long wait on "hold".

Your assertions are, as always, ludicrous.

BrianR
I assume you are referring to “So what if he does?” I wasn’t conceding that Rush had a monopoly, I was referencing Hal’s comment that “David depends on Rush” and saying “So what if he does depend on Rush, they are a PRIVATELY OWNED FAMILY BUSINESS!” OBVIOUSLY, Rush DOES NOT have a Monopoly.

MY BAD BUDDY :)! The new blog is up!

BTW, Hal
I'm STILL waiting for you to explain how Limbaugh has a "monopoly" on talk radio.


Hal
"Well you see he is using public airwaves so like highways we all should have access."

HUH??

"The points work for Rush because he regulates who can have access to him."

Rush allows liberals on the air if they call his program. He usually advances them to the front of the line - because their calls are usually the funniest.

"AM media is not at all balanced and that allows Air America to claim they were denied access to the public airways. If true I don't think it had much to do with their failure but there you go"

Air America failed because they couldn't get an audience.

Kat
Where do you live? Like I said I have seen both sides disgrace themselves badly

BrianR
I assume you are referring to “So what if he does?” I wasn’t conceding that Rush had a monopoly, I was referencing Hal’s comment that “David depends on Rush” and saying “So what if he does depend on Rush, they are a PRIVATELY OWNED FAMILY BUSINESS!” OBVIOUSLY, Rush DOES NOT have a Monopoly.

MY BAD BUDDY :)! The new blog is up!

BrianR
"Limbaugh puts those who disagree with him to the head of the line, which lets them bypass a typically VERY long wait on "hold"."

Really? Not when I have had a few people call LOL



Hal
"Really? Not when I have had a few people call"

And just when have you "had a few people call"?

Sure, Hal, like anybody believes that
Still waiting for you to define how Limbaugh has a monopoly.

Or has that question just become too uncomfortable for you, so you'll try to ignore it, like every other time you get your ears pinned to the wall?

Hal Donahue had people call Rush
I thought THERE WAS NO ORCHESTRATED POACHING on The Left or are you having Delusions of Grandeur?

Hal
"Like I said I have seen both sides disgrace themselves badly"

If that's not the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is!

Ken
Several times during the kerry campaign they never got on LOL He polls more or as much as any politician and runs a tight ship. That is the good/bad news

Hal
Let me guess: your "callers" went on the air saying things like: "I'm a conservative, and I voted for Bush, but..." Those are what Rush calls "seminar callers", and he doesn't let them on the air because they're phoney.

Rush also doesn't allow callers on the air who are boring or flagrantly stupid. If your callers are anything like you, that would explain a lot.

Monopoly, Hal?
Still waiting.

Georgetwin
"I thought THERE WAS NO ORCHESTRATED POACHING on The Left or are you having Delusions of Grandeur?"

Well I did during the campaign. He is just another talk show

Must run to a meeting but will return.

Brian you tell lie after lie and are barely logical I only respond to you because you fire up all the others LOL.

Be well if I miss you folks

Ken
"Let me guess: your "callers" went on the air saying things like: "I'm a conservative, and I voted for Bush, but..." Those are what Rush calls "seminar callers", and he doesn't let them on the air because they're phoney."

My called saying they were veterans for Kerry they were and they did not get on. It sounds like he only lets the "looney left" on but I can not say for certain

BrianR - Hal on Monopoly
SHHH! Hal rolled the dice and is trying to decide whether or not to buy Park Place :)!

Hahahaha, Hal
You are a pseudo-intellectual poseur, Hal, a legend in your own mind.

I knew you'd never answer that question, because you couldn't, and didn't have the guts to say you misspoke.

Then, in typically cowardly liberal fashion, you run for the hills.

Man, if a coward like you ever really was in the Air Force, our country was in very deep danger until you got out.


BrianR - Hal on Monopoly
SHHH! He rolled the dice and is trying to decide whether or not to buy Park Place :)!

Hal
Lived in Philly. It's made up of neighborhoods. Northeast was mostly conservative until HUD houses came into being. S.Philly is a mix of both. S.Philly had the union incident. N, W, and SW are dem. I was going to cast my vote when I was shoved hard by a man for being conservative. I fell into the corner of a brick wall and it split my head open. As I tried to regain my composure with blood running down my face, they were laughing and asked me if I wanted a crown of thorns to go with the blood. I went in and casted my vote. He was arrested but after 2 long years of continuences in court, he was finally sentenced to....90 days probation.

Hal
"It sounds like he only lets the "looney left" on but I can not say for certain"

If Rush ever finds any part of the left that isn't looney, maybe he'll let them on. I suspect that's an exercise in futility, though.

My Prediction:
HRC will still get the nomination. The Democrats deep down know that Obama is disaster waiting to happen. Charisma only takes one so far; Obama hasn't a clue how to govern let alone be the Commander in Chief. HRC's problem reveals a fundemental problem with the Democratic Party. In the long run, Clinton's organization will prevail. But Hillary will limp to the convention.

As will the GOP. No GOP candidate has ever won without grass roots conservative support. Iowa and New Hampshire poison the well as liberal evangelicals in Iowa hold a disproportionate ranking, and in New Hampshire (as in Michigan), cross over voting is allowed. The independents who voted for McCain in 2000 will vote for a Pacifist in 2008 (Obama). With no clear cut conservative on the ballot, the GOP vote will even be more fragmented. If the Huckster wins the nomination, conservatives will stay home and the Dems will win. That is why the MSM is cheering the Huckster on. In September they will of course turn on him.

JPK
"Charisma only takes one so far"

Don't be too sure. Charisma was all Slick Willie ever had going for him, but it took him pretty far. Hillary's biggest problem is that she has all of her husband's baggage, but not his charisma.

"Obama hasn't a clue how to govern let alone be the Commander in Chief."

Neither did Bill Clinton (he even had to be taught how to salute properly), but he was elected twice.

I agree that it's much too early to count Hillary out, which is why I'm making NO predictions at this point. I do know Obama better stay on his toes, because Hillary will do whatever she can to discredit him. Of course, her shills will do the actual dirty work, so she can feign innocence.

Respected Commenator
"Even respected* commentator Bill Kristol is arguably encouraging Republicans to get behind Huckabee."

Why not, Huck gives Billy K. everything he wants - war and even bigger government.

*Respected - gee I guess so, if you poll the Weekley Standard and Fox News crowds.

What gets me..
about this primary is the dems screaming for change, yet (so far) they are throwing their support to Obama who has yet to give any answers of substance regarding any problem the U.S. faces. And our own base wants change and a return to real conservativism & someone to deal with illegal immigrants and in Iowa and NH they are throwing their support to McCain (who did say he would secure the border but also stated he would provide a path to citizenship for illegals already here) and Huck who I can't figure out for the life of me why he's on the republican ticket at all and has done the MOST to promote amnesty. Go figure. I'm off TH for the day. Gonna take a nap before I go into work. Graveyard shift all week.

JPK
Yours was one of the most thoughtful posts I read here today.

Very astute.

I hope there are some conservative choices on the ballot when it gets to Ohio.

I am aslso waiting for the opportunity to toss Voinovich out on his arse. But that's another event all together.

As We Judge Others We Are?
How true it is that we are characterized by our habits.

We see the world and the world reflects who we are. Furthermore, how we judge or condemn others, is just a reflection of our own nature.

Mitt Romney's success now becomes his downfall, because most assume that, you cannot be rich if you do not cheat, because they think the majority do cheat.

A drinker expects all his or her friends to drink, or they cannot trust them, while in fact in that state you will agree, they are even less trustworthy. Some paradox.

Therefore, "The ugliness we see in others is only a reflection of our own nature."

So the writers that bash a persons character and integrity, really are exposing their own weakness and folly. Such attacks are generally not anything objective that could be proven one way or other, and that is why this can cheat us out of our best choice, but, most people fall for it anyway, because of fear. Fear means you lost, because you did not know enough, not to doubt.

Pointing out the failure of candidates on the issues, or their successful, achievements, and objective accomplishments, in public and private life is self-evident and can be verified.
Personal attacks cannot, and should send out a strong warning, of the weakness in that accuser.

When we realize this, we will criticize less, as well as to realize that the ugliness we see in an other is the very ugliness we need to recognize and overcome.

Take a better look at Mitt Romney. You will not, if anytime at all, find him lowering himself to name calling, or bashing any opponents character. He points out the weakness and erroneous position on the issues. You will see him in a new light, and that truth with steer you to your best choice. Good Luck!

The Green Eyed Monster and more http://e-spirituality.townhall.com/g/29f038dc-78df-4a23-9d 75-512ec0bb1865

Remember "we" were going2 compromise? :)
If conservative talk-show hosts do not question the past of Romney now, think of what weak enablers they will be in the future.

He will get carte blanche on everything: that is already happening, as there has been a blinding, Mt Everest strength, white-out of his past, while Huckabee has had his record gone over with a fine tooth comb and even distorted.

It was sooo noble for us to support Giuliani, or McCain, or Romney when their polls were high, because conservatives were told they need to compromise, and forget the past of the candidate; just look at what he promises to do, and take him at his word (most current, that is).

That was the team spirit to take it on the chin for the GOP. But now it seems compromise is exactly the wrong thing to do if it is Rush, or Sean, or Laura, or Anne, or Townhall writers that have to do the compromising, instead of their listeners. Now these same people are worried about the party. When they say, "we" should compromise, they really mean, you should compromise.

aDNA
Thompson o8

BrianR
"You are a pseudo-intellectual poseur, Hal, a legend in your own mind."

Actually no I am not I never claimed to be an intellectual and I am not.

"I knew you'd never answer that question, because you couldn't, and didn't have the guts to say you misspoke."

Not sure what "question" you are dancing around this time but I actually have said many times that I misspoke being on here over a year now I have mispoke a few times BUT NEVER deliberately

"Then, in typically cowardly liberal fashion, you run for the hills.

Man, if a coward like you ever really was in the Air Force, our country was in very deep danger until you got out. "

We won the Cold War and yes I had a tiny tiny bit to do with it like every military guy of those times.

Well, Hal,
Let's try again, then.

Explain how Limbaugh has a monopoly on talk radio.

That clear enough for you? You seem to be the only person on this entire website who can't understand what I write. I express myself very clearly.


(Yeah, I know. You figured by now I was gone, and you could get away with your comment. Sorry, bud)




Kat
"Lived in Philly. It's made up of neighborhoods. ...As I tried to regain my composure with blood running down my face, they were laughing and asked me if I wanted a crown of thorns to go with the blood. I went in and casted my vote."

Good for you and I know a bit about Philly. There is no excuse but I can trade stories about shootings etc but this is the type of nonsense that must be stopped. Thank you for sticking with it.

"He was arrested but after 2 long years of continuences in court, he was finally sentenced to....90 days probation. "

I isn't much granted but I wager it served notice. I do mean it thank you for standing tall - that took courage

Well, Hal
It seems that once again, you're tongue-tied. Too bad it's not a permanent condition.

You did write one thing I agree with: "I never claimed to be an intellectual and I am not."

You finally got something right.


It's been highly entertaining watching you wriggle around, as usual, trying to avoid answering simple questions that make you look foolish. Thanks.

On that cheery note, I'll leave you to play with yourself. You can now go ahead and write whatever you want that makes you feel all brave and clever.

Cheers!


elko.mike writes: @ 10:14AM

"Woke up to snow this morning, which is getting to be old news here."

Yeah, well, my son wishes he knew where YOU lived. Say "snow" to him and he's heading his Jeep, snowboard attached on the roof, in that direction!!! :-)

"Anne -- I hope you had a good night's rest; Gosh that was a stubborn troll. He was reduced to a sound bite and still couldn't (actually chose not to) admit that he had no argument."

Which troll was that?? Heaven knows, there were a few yesterday. :-)




BrianR
You are intellectually dishonest and a liar. I will answer you if I have time and inclination. I told you why I do it. That said if your ego requires those feelings of superiority by all means feel free....

BriiiiianR: What did you do???

You're what, "intellectually dishonest and a liar?"

Uh, who knew? Never figured that! Actually, I've always found you to be VERY intellectually honest, and too damn forthright and honest! (Especially when you set me straight! Hate when that happens!!!) :-)

And "ego?" Naw!

Of course, bright as you are, I still can't figure out why you jump out of perfectly good airplanes, while they're still FLYING, but other than that, you're clearly VERY BRIGHT!

Hey halD, I think you've got the wrong guy here...






Thought I'd check back
and just as predicted, Hal the Coward waited until he thought I was gone to stick his empty head back up again.

What a surprise!

Okay, Hal, last chance.

Explain how Limbaugh has a monopoly.

And, of course, you can't, because your assertion that he did is a stupid statement, it doesn't conform with the definition of monopoly -- which you yourself posted -- so all you can do is, as usual, resort to name-calling.... which, incidentally, is the very thing YOU accuse your opponents of doing, even when they haven't.

That's because it's all you have, as you are intellectually bereft, and make assertions that have no validity on their face.

You're pathetic, HalDolt. You're merely a diva with no depth at all, shooting your mouth off in a hopeless and childish effort to draw attention to yourself, but I do have to say, the entertainment value of watching you is very high!

Kinda like watching little kids play in a schoolyard, pretending to be grownups.


Oh.... and Hal?
You're dismissed.

BrianR: You're not being nice!!!

Of course the twit CAN'T explain "how Limbaugh has a monopoly."

What Rush has is a HUGE, as in "GIA-normous" following. Like a ga-zillion people listen to him every day! (Just like ga-zillions of people listen to other CONSERVATIVE talk shows, but NOT liberal-idiot talk shows.)

It's called "FREE MARKET!!!"

Brian, if I've told you once, I've told you a million times, don't pick on the sp-eds!

I just don't know what I'm going to do with you!!!









Anne and BrianR: Just Passing Through
Would it be better to describe it as the "Marketplace of Ideas", which explains why the dims can't compete?

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Anne writes:
Tuesday, January, 08, 2008 10:32 PM

It's called "FREE MARKET!!!"

LOL, Anne and Elko
Anne, I thought I was being very nice. Extremely patient.

Siiiigh..... tough house, tough house.


Elko, excellent point. One nit: they DO have ideas.... they're just very bad ones.


EM: Naw! They still wouldn't get it!
When somebody says that Rush as a monopoly???

There's no getting the real story... That person is delusional, and (not meaning to be unkind) a real Sp-ed!



BrianR and Anne: Ideas is right
BrianR: Bad ideas don't sell in a market. That explains why they have no stations; they have nothing to sell.

Anne: Rush, as head Conservative Talk Radio Spokesman, does have a monopoly. It is on the ideas. But you can't blame him if the Dims don't have any worthwhile ideas.

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Anne writes:
Tuesday, January, 08, 2008 10:53 PM
EM: Naw! They still wouldn't get it!
When somebody says that Rush as a monopoly???

Citizen Statesman
Kind of off the subject, but I could use some help. I am under the impression that our forefathers anticipated that for the large part our legislators would likely be drawn from citizens who had achieved success, earned the respect of their peers/neighbors, probably acquired considerable property along the way and "then" went in to politics out of a sense of patriotism/civic responsibitity and in order to "give back" to the their country and the system that allowed said success. (Generalization and oversimplification but you get the drift) Is there backup for this impression in the record? Where might I be likely to lay my hands on it. A quick google search doesn't point to much.

Thanks in Advance

Not much mention
of one good guy's thesis in the records. I'm a Fred Thompsonite this primary election.

His record
is why the MSM will not cover Fred Thompson and the other candidates will not and can not attack him. No flash, just substance. Thats Fred Thompson.
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