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Tuesday, October 02, 2007
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
At War with Being at War
by David Limbaugh
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New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman must be awfully tired of the global war on terror (GWOT). In his column "9/11 Is Over," he laments that "we've become 'The United States of Fighting Terrorism.' I will not vote for any candidate running on 9/11. We don't need another president of 9/11. We need a president for 9/12."

Alrighty, then. Let's just declare the war over.

Liberals have tried to convince us they are hawks on the GWOT but that they just don't believe Iraq is part of it. They want to go back into Afghanistan with greater force, or perhaps into Pakistan and capture Osama bin Laden, who President Bush "let escape" at Tora Bora.

Many conservatives have long been skeptical about the Democrats' claim to be hawkish on the GWOT. As I've detailed before, Democrats have opposed President Bush at every turn in the GWOT -- not just on Iraq.

They've scoffed at President Bush's moral clarity in depicting the GWOT as a struggle between the forces of good and evil. They've tried to undermine the Patriot Act, which was designed to break down the walls between our intelligence agencies and help us "connect the dots" to prevent future terrorist attacks.

They've opposed -- and exposed for terrorist consumption -- our efforts to track terrorists' finances. They've tried to sabotage our terrorist surveillance program, fraudulently labeling it as "domestic spying," though it has probably saved American lives and might have, had it been in place then, enabled us to prevent 9/11.

They have opposed tough interrogation techniques against suspected terrorists, though some of the methods they've opposed have demonstrably saved American lives. They've accused the Bush administration of systematically torturing enemy prisoners, though such false allegations diminish our image in the world and inflame potential terrorist recruits, which these same liberals profess they want to avoid at all costs. They insist on full-blown constitutional rights for "the worst of the worst" at Gitmo.

In the face of all this evidence, the left says it is better equipped to protect America's national security. Maybe some have even convinced themselves it's true, having temporarily suppressed their inner antiwar demons. But apparently this artificial suppression is too much for some liberals to sustain. Friedman's inner Jane Fonda is now exploding to the surface. He's tired of us acting like we are at war, and he isn't going to take it anymore, reality be damned.

"9/11 has made us stupid," says Friedman. "I honor, and weep for, all those murdered on that day. But our reaction to 9/11 -- mine included -- has knocked America completely out of balance, and it is time to get things right again."

Friedman admits that "we need new precautions, new barriers. But we also need our old habits and sense of openness. Our government has been exporting fear, not hope: 'Give me your tired, your poor and your fingerprints.' You may think Guantanamo Bay is a prison camp in Cuba for Al Qaeda terrorists. A lot of the world thinks it's a place we send visitors who don't give the right answers at immigration."

Well, Tom, if they think so, why don't you use your "paper of record" megaphone to disabuse them of that abominable falsehood? Perhaps it's because you agree with them, since you say, "I will not vote for any candidate who is not committed to dismantling Guantanamo Bay and replacing it with a free field hospital for poor Cubans. Guantanamo Bay is the anti-Statue of Liberty."

Like a good liberal, Friedman expresses no concern for the consequences of closing down Gitmo or for where these violent murderers will be transferred. Practicality doesn't matter. He just wants the war to be over.

"We need a president who will unite us around a common purpose, not a common enemy," says Friedman. "Al Qaeda is about 9/11. We are about 9/12 "

Why didn't we think of that? We don't need this war. It's bringing us down. It's just so 9/11.

Many have warned that liberals -- despite their denials -- don't believe we're really at war. They can wish it away, just like they can wish away that part of human nature that recoils against socialism, but the reality remains unchanged.

In the meantime, we must pray that adults continue to steer the ship of state in these perilous times, recognizing and confronting the real dangers and real enemies we face and leading us to make such temporary sacrifices as may be necessary to protect ourselves and safeguard our precious liberties.

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At War with
There is no doubt that we are at war. I just doubt that George Bush is a competent leader. The people running the war were basically the keystone cops, but the results were dealy serious.

George Bush had a chance to unify the country after 911 and he played partsan poltics. That was a grave mistake.

Well, I see the loons
Got here first. So I guess I'll just say excellent post Dave. I agree totally.

Then wait for someone with a functional brain to post a comment so I can have an intelliegent conversation about David's column.

It is the wrong war at the wrong time
Bush made the most egregious mistake possible by pulling our assets from Afghanistan in order to invade Iraq, not that I was sorry to see Hussein deposed.
Bush made tremendous errors by not having all the necessary equipment nor enough troops to properly invade and pacify Iraq. We didn't even have enough troops to deal with, to find and either protect or destroy Hussein's ammunition dumps. Those weapons, ammo and explosives were looted and used to kill our troops, etc, and still are. That's unexcusable!
Bush blunders lost the war for the hearts and minds of the Iraqis because of the failure to provide electricity, running water, jobs and other most basic needs that should have been supplied to Iraq's citizens.
Bush should have finished in Afghanistan, capturing Bin Laden and Mullah Omar and done whatever was necessary to destroy the Taliban in its entirety before moving on to Iraq. Failure to do so has now left the Taliban reconstituted, and Bin Laden still free to incite his lunatic followers, (sorry, but that looks purposeful in order for the Bushies to be able to continually use the fear card against Americans.
Ten times the number of Americans are killed on our highways each year as were killed in the WTC attack to put things in perspective. Are you afraid to drive your car now?
Sorry, Americans cowering in fear caused by propaganda developed for political expediency is not the way Americans living in the "Home of the Brave" should act. It's cowardice!
The war may not be wrong, just our incompetent leaders who are running it.
We are now caught in a quagmire and we have no good answers how to extradite ourselves.
What really should happen (and won't)is that we should reinstate the draft, enlarge the military to sufficient size to both handle Iraq, Afghanistan and other potential needs (like Iran possibly), put the country on "war footing" as we did during WWII, and re-invade. This time lets do it competently to win!

Here comes the bowelmovement.org
Talking points.

impeachbush writes: @2:03 AM
It is the wrong war at the wrong time.


BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. We've heard it all before. Do us a favor and go back to Bowelmovement or Daily Kook with your BS.

We've got great answers!
We are now caught in a quagmire and we have no good answers how to extradite ourselves.

The answer to extracation is to remain until Iraq is secure. Its a great answer and George Bush's strategy in the mid east is a tried and true answer. Mr impeach you aught to actualy go read real accounts of history and start cheering for the good side. The American side its the best thing mans done on earth as far as nation building goes and its still works great.

It's a wonderful thing...
Isn't cut & paste a wonderful thing? All you have to do is to go to a left-wing website, highlight the "talking points", hit copy, then paste it and... volla! You have turned someone else's statement into your own! How else do you explain the regurgitation of the same thought processes in all the opposing "views"? And the Right-wing gets accused of going "lock step". But to get to the article: I agree with Mr. Limbaugh. Constitutional rights for Islamo-extremist-murderers? Have a "dialogue" with terrorist-sponsor States? Baby bonuses for votes? And the worst... Forget about 9-11 and "get over it"? No chance, pal!
{NYT = The TRUE faux news}

To all of you left wing
nutroots/Kos kids, does Soros pay you in actual money or is it in-kind distributions? Since Americans like conspiracy theories so much I have a new for you. Itcan replace the Truther series of ideas, particularly since it is much more likely.

Everyone knows that George Soros funded Moveon.org in 2004 for the sole purpose of defeating George Bush. He actually stated he would spend his entire fortune to defeat Bush if someone could guarantee it. Well, he wound only giving 5 million to moveon at that time. He also gave to other organizations dedicated to support of the Dems in 2004. I can’t understand why any of this was not a violation of the McShame-Findgold laws and why he hasn’t been invsitgate here. At any rate, lets start the new theory. Soros is listed as the 80th richest man on the Forbes list. Where did he get his money? He didn’t get it the old fashioned way through inheritance. The openly listed method is currency speculation in England and France. Well to speculate in currency, first you have to have currency to speculate with (to belabor the obvious). So where did all of this come from?

(cont)

pt 2
Soros started in Hungary after the Soviet domination of the country at the end of WWII. This is where it is said his currency speculation began. If so, do you believe for one minute that it was done without aid and complicity of the Soviets? Not a chance. He came to the U.S. as part of a conference and then officially fled into exile. He became a U.S. citizen. Since becoming a citizen he has supported a variety of left wing causes. Nearly every other East-Block refuge of the period was veheminantly anti-Communist but not him. What if during all this time he was a commie plant, an agent provocateur sent to disrupt U.S. and Western peace and tranquillity? What if his original funding came from the Communists and he is still getting money from the Russians and the Chinese? Hsu may just be smoke screen to keep people from seeing the real source of money for the Dems and left wing organizations.

War injuries strain vets’ system
War injuries strain vets’ system, observers say

Why have lawmakers and Bush done enough for the troops when they come home?

USATODAY-He was one of America’s first defenders on Sept. 11, 2001, a Marine who pulled burned bodies from the ruins of the Pentagon. He saw more horrors in Kuwait and Iraq.
Today, he can’t keep a job, pay his bills, or chase thoughts of suicide from his tortured brain. In a few weeks, he may lose his house, too.

Gamal Awad exemplifies an emerging group of war veterans: the economic casualties.

More than in past wars, many wounded troops are coming home alive from the Middle East. That’s a triumph for military medicine. But they often return hobbled by prolonged physical and mental injuries from homemade bombs and the unremitting anxiety of fighting a hidden enemy along blurred battle lines. Treatment, recovery and retraining often can’t be assured quickly or cheaply.

These troops are just starting to seek help in large numbers, more than 185,000 so far. But the cost of their benefits is already testing resources set aside by government and threatening the future of these wounded veterans for decades to come, say economists and veterans’ groups.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/war-injuries-strain-vets-system-observers-say

Cheney ‘94: Invading Baghdad
Cheney ‘94: Invading Baghdad Would Create Quagmire C-SPAN

Why did Cheney think the results would be diferent this time? And what was his plan to deal with sectarian issues in Iraq before the invasion?

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/cheney-94-invading-baghdad-would-create-quagmire-c-span


Cheney ‘94: Invading Baghdad
Cheney ‘94: Invading Baghdad Would Create Quagmire C-SPAN

Why did Cheney think the results would be diferent this time? And what was his plan to deal with sectarian issues in Iraq before the invasion?

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/cheney-94-invading-baghdad-would-create-quagmire-c-span



Ron Paul’s Fund-Raising Takes Off

I predict Ron Paul will get over double digit numbers in New Hampshire primary. And this will fuel more conservative Republicans and independents against Bush’s Iraq war policy. What do you think?

WSJ-Rep. Ron Paul is bucking trends in the political money race.

Paul

While both Democrats and Republicans in the presidential race are finding it more difficult to pass the hat as their big donors hit federal giving limits, the trajectory for the Texas Republican keeps climbing.

The antiwar libertarian raised more than $3 million in the third quarter, up from $2.4 million in the second quarter and $641,000 in the first three months of the year.

For the three months ended Sept. 30, Paul out-raised old Washington hands including Democrats Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut, who took in $1.5 million, and Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, who raised just under $2 million.

For the year, Paul has collected around $6 million. He remains stuck in national polls at around 5% or less — about the same level of support as another Republican dark horse, Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor.

The well-spoken Huckabee placed second in the Ames, Iowa, straw poll this summer and is a favorite among Beltway pundits. But so far, his campaign is staying mum on his third-quarter fund-raising numbers, suggesting that they haven’t dramatically improved from the $766,000 Huckabee raised in the second quarter.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/ron-paul%e2%80%99s-fund-raising-takes-off

Enemy Within:
About a Million of Democrats Consider the United States as their Enemy:

http://conservativevalley.townhall.com/g/d11bdb12-e5a2-429a-aec2-c4d353c5a3c8

Wow....
The trolls come out, don't they? Not one bit of sense, only a boatload of cutting and pasting. I guess they think it looks smart.

Khan writes:
"George Bush had a chance to unify the country after 911 and he played partsan poltics. That was a grave mistake"

You're kidding right? You mean the Dums have been just trying to get along and mean old evil Bush would'nt have any of it?

Who the HELL has been playing partisan politics from freaking day one????

These low life left wing wacko Bush Haters have done everything to undermine the WOT.

Trying to get along????
Lets see, Troop bill laden so far down with POFK that it took a fork lift to carry it causing bush to veto, then saying bush didn't support the troops. Child care act covering "children" up to 26, making it almost certain Bush will veto so they can say Bush doesn't care about children. All to make Bush look bad. Looks to ME like the dems have been trying to get along. Of course it also looks like the dems don't care about kids or the troops.

Robert Robert pt2
Here comes the HAMMER of Wally.

wally writes: Monday, October, 01, 2007 11:50 AM

Robert again shows his incompetence

(a) neutralizing the controls in an unusual attitude will NOT level the wings or correct pitch. In an actual situation, you might have just killed yourself!

For your information Robby, an unusual attitude is NOT the same thing as a spin.

(b) In a spin you LEAVE THE AILERONS NEUTRAL, they will aggravate the spin. You break it with full rudder opposite the spin.

VERY ELEMENTARY STUFF, YOU JUST PLAIN DIDN'T KNOW IT!

Probably had to go consult with an actual pilot.
Better go back to fwying your widdow compooder.

Now, I checked this out with my stepdad who flew in the AF in the 50's and then for TWA for THIRTY-SEVEN years, retiring as a senior pilot. At 72, he still flies and builds airplanes. I'd say he's an expert in the field of aviation.

The ruling: Wally punkslapped Robert Robert like the b*tch he is.

Marines' Dad
How's your son doing?

He's coming in at a good time, it's cooling off nicely here.

Well done ignoring the trolls.

Robert Robert
Don't know what happened but here is part one of HWMBNT's post to wally.

Robert writes: Monday, October, 01, 2007 9:53 AM

Walster you get an F
My response to Robert didn't post
If Robert had flown anything other than "Flight Simulator" he would have known that the first step, in unusual allitude recovery, is very simple: LEVEL YOUR WINGS.
....

LEVEL YOUR WINGS...

not so much actually...but you need to read these words this iw what I wrote

"nuetralize elevator/ailerons"

Wally...the ailerons control "ROLL"...Nuetralize the controls Wally is "leveling the wings" for light plane pilots like you.

the problem in a "spin" Wally is that it has followed a "stall" (the aircraft has exceeded the critical angle of attack)...and the "ailerons" might not be effective at this moment. That is why as one is approaching a "stall" wally, the ailerons become more inefficient and in a "spin" wally they are probably not effecive.

That is why we say "Nuetralize elevator and ailerons".

BTW I have a lot of time in flight simulators...but I was I have the time in are as good as the airplanes. If he was able to do it under Part 121 I bet you "Ragner" got his type rating in the one at NATCO...and didnt have to fly the airplane before he got the white paper.

You really need that BFR wally...you could hurt yourself.

You recieve an F.

You are a light plane pilot right?

Robert

Robert Robert P1b
Here is HWMBNT's second post to wally prior to the smackdown

Walster...
The future Mrs (she is that now) and I were "chuckling" over this exchange (she "drove" F-18's before going to the dark side of NAMI...anyway) and her observation is pretty good.

"Maybe the Walster doesnt know what "nuetralize elevator and ailerons mean".

come to think of it Wonder Woman might be correct as usual.

Oh Wally....wally

You an Ragner the freight dog can compare notes.

Robert

RETSSGT
Good point.

Bush left all of the Clintonistas in their seats when he took office in the foolish belief that these vermin would play bipartisan politics. Both State and the CIA are chock full of libscum who did nothing but leak to the press and drag their feet. He shoulda cleaned house on day one.

Robert Robert

I often step in dookie to feel it squish between my toes...I like it.

RETSSGT
Yeah, I already flagged the mook. I wish TH would get a freaking IP ban working, better still, a MAC address ban!

I gotta tell you, I'm STILL laughing at that POUNDING that wally laid on dimbulb HWMBNT last night.

My stepdad said he was laughing reading the entire postings. In the way of The Robert Robert, wally got an A and HWMBNT got an F.

Robert Robert

TCA, come here doggy, I won't hurt you.

Get a clue, Rush's mini-me
Realizing that Republicans only cite polls when it suits their interests, perhaps mr. limbaugh should stray from lockstep and take a gander at the latest WP/ABC poll which says this:

"Most Americans oppose fully funding President Bush’s $190 billion request for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and a sizable majority support an expansion of a children’s health insurance bill he has promised to veto, putting Bush and many congressional Republicans on the wrong side of public opinion on upcoming foreign and domestic policy battles. […]

Despite discontent with Congress this year, the public rates congressional Republicans (29 percent approve) lower than congressional Democrats (38 percent approve). When the parties are pitted directly against each other, the public broadly favors Democrats on Iraq, health care, the federal budget and the economy. Only on the issue of terrorism are Republicans at parity with Democrats."

What’s more, frustration with Congress stems entirely from the public’s desire to see lawmakers stand up to Bush on Iraq more, not less.

As for Congress’ lack of popularity, by a 2 to 1 margin, those who are frustrated by the lack of progress in Congress this year blame the inaction on Bush and the GOP more than Dems. Fifty-one percent place primary fault with the president and congressional Republicans, and 25 percent on Democrats.


Al Quida America
JAMES writes: Monday, October, 01, 2007 4:40 PM
Al Quida America
Al Quida America
Al Quida America:
George Soros is Al Quida America
MoveOn.Org is Al Quida America
Jack Murtha is Al Quida America
Ted Kennedy is Al Quida America
MediaMatters is Al Quida America
Howard Dean is Al Quida America
Al Gore is Al Quida America
John Conyers is Al Quida America
Brian DePalma is Al Quida America
Mark Cuban is Al Quida America
George Clooney is Al Quida America
Arthur (Pinch) Sutzburger is Al Quida America
New York Times is Al Quida America
Harry Reid is Al Quida America
John Kerry is Al Quida America
Michael Moore is Al Quida America
Henry Waxman is Al Quida America

The "Vast Left Wing Socialist Minority" that has highjacked the once noble and honorable Democratic Party is Al Quida America

Robert Robert
BOY did WALLY punk you out or WHAT? Bet you had to HalD no last night huh?

wally writes: Monday, October, 01, 2007 11:50 AM

Robert again shows his incompetence

(a) neutralizing the controls in an unusual attitude will NOT level the wings or correct pitch. In an actual situation, you might have just killed yourself!

For your information Robby, an unusual attitude is NOT the same thing as a spin.

(b) In a spin you LEAVE THE AILERONS NEUTRAL, they will aggravate the spin. You break it with full rudder opposite the spin.

VERY ELEMENTARY STUFF, YOU JUST PLAIN DIDN'T KNOW IT!

Probably had to go consult with an actual pilot.
Better go back to fwying your widdow compooder.

Now, I checked this out with my stepdad who flew in the AF in the 50's and then for TWA for THIRTY-SEVEN years, retiring as a senior pilot. At 72, he still flies and builds airplanes. I'd say he's an expert in the field of aviation.

The ruling: Wally punkslapped Robert Robert like the b*tch he is.

Where I come from HWMBNT, we call that getting RODE HARD and put away wet.

Robert Robert

Hal, what does being "RODE HARD and put away wet" mean? (smiling)


RETSSGT
Did you see the part last night when HWMBNT fled the board after Arch asked him how long he was in the Navy for?

Robert Robert

Hi ho, hi ho, it's off to blow I go.

HAHAHA!
HWMBNT moaned.

Please stop. And fled before Arch could complete the smacking!

Spanked like a little girl.

HWMBNT

Ohhhh yes, I'm the Great Bloviator....

PS: ALL

Not only should you check my blog for more liberal scumbaggery but I am TAKING requests for THE ROBERT SONG!

Graded B+ by Robert Robert of the Robert Robert's

Bman1
There is NO WAY in H*LL that Land Deal or Barkin Harkin are gonna show. No way.

Norman Hsu, still a DEAD MAN WALKING!

Robert Robert

Hal pushes my face in dough and we make gorilla cookies.

Bman1
I heard HWMBNT got his PhD yesterday.

PhD = post hole digger.


Robert Robert

You guys seen that video of the donkey chasing that guy in the field? Well, I WAS that guy. Kinda liked it too.


Sept. 11 will NEVER become Sept. 12...
...until EVERY terrorist in the world is DEAD.

My fellow Minnesotan, Tom Friedman, got it wrong again. Just another Minnesota Wellstone DFLer.

Bman1
Hitlary's hoping that Hsu pulls a McDougal in the pokey. The AG should be in there getting a deposition and working this issue before someone slips Hsu some cynanide instead of his normal meds.

Robert Robert

hal gave me a high colonic

TheLeftIsEvil
Condolences on getting another Wellstone turd. I'd have thought that having former Black Panther and noted racist NOI member Ellison was enough.


Robert Robert

WHOA HAL! Patience, let the moment build.

Well
I noticed that no one refuted my new story of Soros that he is a Communist stooge. Financed and supported by the Commies from day one and now acting as a money launderer from the communists to the Democratic Party, as long as they are anti-american Democrats.




Robert - Support bacteria - they’re the only culture I have.

HWMBNT
Musing below how rectally observant he is.

Bet that lump on the thick lump of bone atop his shoulders is still sore from that boulder wally dropped on it.

Now the stooge is doing research! For what, a seventh grade essay!

Robert Robert

"I'm doing some research..."

Boss: "yeah, research that mob on the puke in aisle 10."

Oh Oh
HWMBNT is getting mad, his typos are showing.

Surprising how He Who Must Be Named Twice, jet jock, helo pilot, professor, Naval Admiral, advisor to Zinni, Ripper, and Kissinger, etc, etc, ad nauseum has such POOR GRAMMAR, SPELLING, and SENTENCE structure.

My 16 y.o. daughter writes far more coherent sentences.

Robert Robert

When I pulled it up, it made a pop noise. hee hee


Wake Up! Wake Up! Wake UP! Wake UP!
"They've scoffed at President Bush's moral clarity in depicting the GWOT as a struggle between the forces of good and evil."

President Bush has no moral clarity, nor has he ever had an honest or decent plan for this so called "war on terrorism".

Wake Up! Wake Up! Wake up people! Why are we so inclined to forget how President Bush and our complicit members of Congress and senate got us into this mess? I know you’re sick of hearing it, but there were no WMD"s!!! Our president lied to us and the current administration have created and fabricated this war in Iraq.

Why would a liberal, conservative, Independent follow the plans of this president after he has done EVERYTHING wrong? EVERYTHING! Why do these following facts escape so many?

1. He allowed the US to invade a country while murdering innocent civilians based on fraudulent and inaccurate information

2. He prematurely declared victory in Iraq, all while using our proud military as props for his own political grandstanding

2. His administration completely botched the stabilization effort in Iraq by disbanding 500,000 members of Iraqi army, not providing sufficient troops to stabilize the country, and by ruthlessly firing and disrespecting many trained Iraqi diplomats and professionals that could have been useful in rebuilding the country. Out of resentment, many of these people have turned against the US and now have joined the insurgency.

4. He has made no efforts to locate the man who was responsible for 911.

5. His administration has completely ignored the fact that most of Al-Qaeda are in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia, yet we are suppose to believe the president is making us safer. Are you serious?


Wake Up! Wake Up! Wake UP! part 2
People president Bush is not a moral, good or competent man. He has disgraced this country and its loyal citizens. There are plenty of honorable Republicans and Democrats who could do a much better job at running this country. It's time to give them a chance. So we can bicker on what we should do from now, but what we should not be bickering about is the failed foreign policy of this disgraceful administration.

We need to wake up people.

Bman1
The word's getting out. I guess they like playing at Sor Holes house. More girl clothes for dress up.

Robert Robert

Hey Hal, I just lost ten pounds (flushing noise heard)

All you liberals
What is a good war? For what would you fight? How long would you be willing to fight? Two years? Four years? Oh, I see: you like fighting with words? Dialogue? Discussion groups? Smears? Name calling? Indoctrination through the universities and Media?

"We are about 9/12"
Just as I suspected: despite their protestations about their own virtue and patriotism, the Left was ready to surrender the day after the attack, while bodies were still burning in the wreckage. Thanks, Friedman, for clarifying that.

Re: Raging Robert
“capt” Robert has returned: So I’ll post these facts about this delusional psychotic when ever I see one of his Liberal rants.

“capt” Robert claims to be all of the following: A Navy Captain, a former Navy test pilot, a former Boeing test pilot, a former FAA designated Airline flight examiner, a former vice cop, a columnist for the National Review, a pilot for the US border patrol, and hinted at being an astronaut. Here are the actual facts: “capt” Robert was a Navy enlisted man, probably rated as an avionics technician. He’s a frustrated wannabe pilot who never got closer to a real aircraft than working on flight simulators. He’s good at searching the internet to get impressive data to baffle you with BS. But when asked questions about his alleged back ground he states: “I don’t answer questions”. Of course he doesn’t. Because some who is the real deal, would ask him questions which would expose him as a phony. But what he does do is give out letter grades to those he disagrees with; which is almost EVERYBODY on TH, since he’s a Liberal. So if this whack job gives you a C, D, or F, you know you’re on the correct side of an issue. I love shooting guys like this down, and invite others to do the same. The only problem is it offers no challenge. It’s too easy. Often he shoots himself down. One thing is difficult to understand about lib whack jobs like Ranting Robert and fellow Lib traveler, Lilly the Lying Loon. Why do these Lib whack jobs keep coming back for more abuse when they’re so badly beaten up when ever they post on TH? Perhaps they’re masochists who like being abused and humiliated. If so, keep those delusional rants coming and we’ll be happy to oblige. LOL.

Thomas Friedman
Who really cares how he will vote? The man does not know whether he's coming or going. I remember a time when he was gung ho for the war, now he's not. Seems pretty weak to me.

As to the liberals they are worse than Friedman. Either it's "let's make it an all out war like WWII" or "Why are we fighting at all?" Your ignorance never ceases to amaze me.

Then of course there are those that hate Bush so much on both sides of the aisle that they cut off their nose to spite their face. They lack all objectivity so in my book that makes you worse than ignorant your just plain stupid.

Don't even get me started on the unmitigated arrogance.

loco
A good liberal war is one where we lose.

1. The Bay of Pigs. The PERFECT liberal war. Spent mountains of money, commit the landing force, and then run like h*ll.

2. Vietnam. The runner-up. Spent Bazillions of dollars, treat the war as a numbers game (easier to fudge), buy blocks of stock (LBJ owned both Colt AND Sea/Land stock), get 58,000+ GI's killed, get cold feet after mismanaging it for years, run, dump it in Nixon's lap, and pull funding. Blame on Nixon.

Liberals are a gutless useless waste of skin.

Robert Robert

My nickname in high school was foreskin.

Robert approved A+

bman loves dick
you are a total idiot! Demos would be smart not to go this route - they will look as stupid as you do!!

The only war the dems see
Is the war on Bush(WOB). They are much more interested in fighting the WOB than the WOT. Just look at the comments on this post. This is not without irony though. They claim over and over that Bush is a stupid, incompetent, idiot, yet he has managed to defeat them at every turn. If Bush is sooo incompetent yet beating the Dems like a drum at every turn, then what does that say about the competence of the Dems?

Robert
Bork me!

Anthony Thomas writes
"but there were no WMD"s!!! Our president lied to us and the current administration have created and fabricated this war in Iraq."

Can you prove this? The fact is he used WMD's against his own people. Care to deny it?



"He has made no efforts to locate the man who was responsible for 911"

If Clinton had the cajones to take Bin Laden when he had the chance, maybe none of this would have happened.

" His administration has completely ignored the fact that most of Al-Qaeda are in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia, yet we are suppose to believe the president is making us safer. Are you serious?"

Have we had any major terrorists attacks against us since 9/11?



sheepdog
Anthony doesn't feel any safer therefore we are not safer. It's elementary logic. Literally... as in 1st grade logic.

Robert
Shaggy follows me when I put bacon in my pockets.

sheepdog
"Can you prove this? The fact is he used WMD's against his own people. Care to deny it?"

No weapons were found my friend. Did you not get that memo. Did you not read the 911 Commission report? Maybe we would have saved the lives of 3800 Americans had the president allowed the un to finish their inspections.

"Have we had any major terrorists attacks against us since 9/11?"

Who knows whats being planned in those countries right now while our hands are tied in Iraq.



Robert
"Most Americans do not trust Bush on foreign policy anymore"

That is the only success in the WOB. Unfortunately, most Americans apparently don't trust anyone on foreign policy. They certainly don't trust the Dems either.

NO ROBERT
SPEAK FOR YOUR SELF, when you say 9-11 has made us stupid, you mean you and friedman stupid. Consider the paragraph
They've opposed -- and exposed for terrorist consumption -- our efforts to track terrorists' finances. They've tried to sabotage our terrorist surveillance program, fraudulently labeling it as "domestic spying," though it has probably saved American lives and might have, had it been in place then, enabled us to prevent 9/11.
I think anytime ANY PERSON who exposes what the NYT has, should be put in gitmo. You and the NYT needs to moveon (pun was put in on purpose) and get with the program WE ARE AT WAR AND WILL BE FOR SOME TIME TO COME! Sorry for the shouting, but sometimes I think robert and his ilk are deaf

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Roberta roberta
I ran a virus scan today and it says all of my pictures of george sor holes in panties has BUGS! EWWWW

RETSSGT
Come on SSgt, look at the facts staring us in the face. Look your opinion probably overwrites mine because you served and I didn't. But can you not see the mistakes this administration has made. Doesn't the misuse of our brave military bother you as a former soilder?

Anthoy Thomas Robert
"Who knows whats being planned in those countries right now while our hands are tied in Iraq."

True but we would probably know more about what is being planned if we didn't have people who were more concerned about there rights being violated than the safety of this country.

GunnyG-Vic-and others
My Goodness! ALL of the CHERISHED LIBERAL VALUES are on parade on this column. Lying, Cheating, Cowardice, America Hatred, Profanity, Promiscuity and I’m sure Rocker or Bman’s buddy is getting high while hiding out in Mommy’s Basement.

Robert Will Blog
JetPilot Will Fly
I’m Schizophrenic
And So Am I
Robert

for CharlieS
CharlieS writes: "BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. We've heard it all before. Do us a favor and go back to Bowelmovement or Daily Kook with your BS."

I have a simple question for you:

It's been SIX YEARS since 9-11. On balance, are you pleased with how Bush has conducted the War on Terror? And if so, what do you consider to be the two or three best things he did?

This war has now gone on for SIX YEARS while our attackers--al-Qaeda--got stronger and stronger worldwide (as confirmed by intelligence reports) rather than being obliterated. And there's no evidence that al-Qaeda is close to destruction even now. What's so good about that?

U.S. is no good at guerrila warfare..
you ask all the "true believer victory in iraq" types how is that it with the worlds most powerful military, with all it's advanced weaponry and intelligence capabilities, why they havent defeated a ragtag opponent armed primiarly with people bombs, IED'S and antiquated weapons? and they draw a blank....

the answer is that the u.s. military is simply unprepared for or good at guerilla style warfare nor are they good at adjusting tactics.

the what happened to: "when the iraqi military and police step up, the u.s. will step down."

apparently the "victory types" believe that the iraqi military and police are a bunch of wimps and pushovers who wont fight for "democracy" in
THEIR country.

1057AM Post
Requires a "Stuffed Shirt and over all pompous A** alert."

Robert Robert

BOOM SLAGA LAKKA

Hal

Shake it Shake it

Ol Stuffed Shirt
"I am off for a little
evening entertainment...some really good stuff."

Time to play pin his tail to a donkey (hal in disguise)

Robert Robert

OWWWWWWW!


for Vic
Vic writes: "To all of you left wing
nutroots/Kos kids, does Soros pay you in actual money or is it in-kind distributions?"

I am not a left-winger. I was a conservative back when Nixon was running for President in 1968.

But for SIX YEARS, you and your fellow Bushies have smeared any criticism of Bush's incompetence as "left-wing," because you KNEW that you could not respond intelligently to any constructive criticism from the RIGHT. Hence you have smeared and marginalized right-wing critics like George Will, Diana West, McCain, etc.

You won't admit there is any political space for someone who regards radical Islam as a major threat BUT who also regards the Bush Administration as completely clueless as to a long-range vision for dealing with it.

And we're going to call you out on it.

I'm sick and tired of your equating blind unquestioning support for anything Bush wants to do to fight terrorism as "patriotism." Americans have always thought for themselves.

Friedman isn't about 9/12
What Friedman is saying is so 9/10 it is pathetic. Remember Bill Clinton? This was the way he thought.

Why can't either one of them connect the dots of a 1/2 dozen terrorist attacks? But Clinton said he was "obsessed" with getting bin Laden. The best he did was to try to palm him off on the Saudis. Guess the guy wouldn't give a big donation to the Library so that he could get a pardon?

Left Dingleberry
U.S. is no good at guerrila warfare..

You've surpassed yourself in stupidity, which I thought was impossible for a libstooge.

1920's Marines engage and defeat a Haitian rebellion, in jungle warfare, led by Chesty, using mules and guerrilla tactics.

1930's, Marines crush a Nicaraguan rebellion in the same manner. They write a new manual called, "Small Wars Manual."

1960's, Dominican Republic, Vietnam (Marine Recon, Green Berets, ALL take the war to the NVA in the jungle. Using, wonder of wonders, guerrilla tactics.)

We dominate the night, own the airwaves, as the enemy.

YOUR party caused the loss in Vietnam stooge, not the troops, not the tactics.

Left Dingleberry added to Gretske's list.


Robert Robert

Hmm, a new playmate. Show me the goods left dingleberry (squealing)


Robert.
If you see a thug out in the street gassing their own people what do you do? Take him out, which we did effectively, he did have WMD's contrary to many liberal's beliefs. And he was supporting Al-Qaida, the leader of Iraq was supporting Al-Qaida and had weapons of mass destruction, and he was using them. What did you expect us to do? Sit down and have a nice cup of radioactive tea?

Gunny
Nope, With Roberto,Phd means piled higher and deeper!!!!!!

for Left Angle
Left Angle writes: "the answer is that the u.s. military is simply unprepared for or good at guerilla style warfare nor are they good at adjusting tactics."

That's FALSE, and I've explained that to you before. Petraeus knows how to fight the insurgency quite well, thank you. But he's severely constrained by what the Bushies gave him to work with:

Despite the cockamamie "small footprint" theories of Rumsfeld and his fellow Bushies, studies by military experts had already concluded that the deciding factor in any military occupation is the sheer number of troops you flood the country with.

The RAND Corporation, for example, did a historical analysis of past military occupations. They concluded that to occupy a country and defeat insurgency, you need a minimum force ratio of 1 soldier for every 50 enemy civilians. For Iraq, a country of 26 million people, that's a total of 520,000 American troops needed.

http://tinyurl.com/2boc8

The U.S. Army War College agreed:

http://tinyurl.com/2d3l3n

BUT Rumsfeld sent only about 150,000 troops to Iraq, a force ratio of 1:170. That's way too low to do the job. No matter what tactics you use, no matter how cleverly you shuffle troops around, they simply CANNOT be in three places at once. Insurgents move to wherever our troops are not present.

Petraeus can't overcome this basic limitation on our forces.


SteveL & Gunny G..Its embarrassing..
All that stuff youre saying is just excuses.

It's downright embarrasing what Prez Bush and his "generals on the ground" HAVENT ACCOMPLISHED
with the worlds: "most powerful military and only superpower".

Bush and his "generals on the ground" have made the U.S. a laughingstock with their dreadful tactics in Iraq.

Left Dingleberry
You're an idiot. Join RObert Robert and the other Sorea** mooks.

Bman1/GunnyG
notice that I have been flagged?

How do I splain it
How do you explain that 50 percent of the people who voted for Bush in 04, dont support him on the war...anymore?

As I said, success in the WOB. The focus of the MSM and the left has been completely on the administration, not the war(other than pointing out deaths and failures). Six years without an attack on American soil, or a major attack on American civilians abroad is pretty convincing evidence of success. Is this fact highlighted? No. The mantra is that Al Qaeda is more capable and more dangerous than before. Apparently they just have a tough time showing it? It is this insane message that is spouted day in and day out by the echo chamber of the MSM and the left. An intelligence report said they are stronger so they are. From the same intelligence that said Sadaam had WMD. There's a reason it's called an estimate you know, but it is cited as if it is an unassailable fact.


Robert
My other car is a matchbox.

Gunny G: explain Iraq then...
why hasnt the U.S. WON against a clearly inferior opponent in Iraq?

Locke
Now you know Saddam got all those people he killed to suck on exhaust pipes to commit suicide!!!!



Robert: Leftie put on the Wig you know I love faking it!!!!!

Robert
There he goes off on a rant. Robert, when the man was saying "PROBABLY" he was using a term he believes right, but barring the GOV. giving away all its secrets, we will not know for sure, until in the future. Also you notice robert puts it into a context that he and most libs drool over by stating "If "probably" were good enough then you would have to succumb to the lefts arguments that the 2nd doesnt mean what it says"

You wish roberta!

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roberta roberta
I ran a virus scan today and it says all of my pictures of george sor holes in panties has BUGS! EWWWW

Left Angle
From day one the left have been working to hamstring Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Don't get me wrong, leaders should be able to push past this, but the left in this country is what makes us laughing stocks.

When the NYT and the media report on how we are fighting the war and preach defeat EVERY STEP of the way...how would the enemy not view us as laughingstocks.

Not to mention...What would the democrats do differently? Besides leave. Retreat isn't a plan, and I have yet to hear any cogent plan on the left.

SSGT
Bman1/GunnyG
notice that I have been flagged?
FOR?
if it is just that a lib flagged you, that is a badge of HONOR! "HAND SALUTE" "READY TWO"

HUNTER 2008!
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Roberta roberta
I ran a virus scan today and it says all of my pictures of george sor holes in panties has BUGS! EWWWW

SteveL
And what makes you think I support Bush? He is almost as big a liberal as Nixon was. IN fact, if you had been following posts this weekend you would have seen I am ready to call for his impeachment solely on the grounds that he is a RINO. But since you are a liberal RINO also you should be happy with him.

SteveL
BTW

I am so glad that you supported Nixon in 1968. Like 2000 and 2004 there wasn’t a lot of choice, but there was more choice then than now. You could have a super liberal, LBJ clone Hubert Humphrey, the liberal big government Richard Nixon, or the conservative racist George Wallace.

Bman1
I stand corrected! Ny Hog is about due to get banned again isn't he?

Left Angle
no its pretty much you and your kind that think that way. bunch of WE LOSE er's

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Roberta roberta
I ran a virus scan today and it says all of my pictures of george sor holes in panties has BUGS! EWWWW

I’m having more fun in here today than george sor hols at a topless code pink rally!

Jmind gunny stevel..One more time
its a very simple question you refuse to answer.

Why hasnt the U.S. the worlds only "superpower"
with all its state of the art weapons and intelligence capabilities been able to defeat a clearly inferior ragtag opponent in Iraq armed primarily suicide bombers, IED's and antiquated weapons?

Locke
Save your breath parnder, I have been trying to use that same logic with them forever; problem is they do not like rational reasons!


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Roberta roberta
I ran a virus scan today and it says all of my pictures of hal in a thong has bugs in it!

I’m having more fun in here today than george sor hols at a topless code pink rally!

Gabby
So, an isolated accident where a hysterical woman was handcuffed and died scares you as much as religious zealots that are actually seeking to kill you? Before 9/11 did you ever go to a concert? You are frisked there, was that the same violation of your rights. You have no right to privacy in a public place (airport).

"I am not just afraid of the terrorists who are infiltrating our communications systems, I am just as afraid of Hillary or any democrat doing spying on my communications because George Bush set it up so that they can."

Unless you are making frequent calls to known terrorists in Yeman...you really think they care about you? Show me a case where the Patriot Act has been abused. The media mislabeled these programs as "domestic wire tapping" and you buy right into it.

"David seems to think there is more danger from crazies 6000 miles away than from his own fellow countrymen who have set up a police state."

A Police state? A police state? You are either dillusional or grossly ill-informed. How have YOUR rights been violated.

For that matter...given your perception of how things are...shouldn't Sean Penn, Barbra Streisand, George Clooney, Susan Sarandon etc etc be under arrest from this fierce fascistic regime? They have certainly not held back in their commentary.

You blow things out of proportion to feebly try to make a case for how terrible things are here.

That is why the left is accused of hating America, not because you may disagree with the war or how it is executed.


Doc
is there any way to find out why?

Left Angle
if i were a LIB my answer would be "If you can do it any faster go enlist"

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Roberta to Malibu ken “over”
Malibu ken to Roberta “go ahead over”
I am hovering at 500 ft over your house, request landing instructions “over”
Land in yard, shave my back and come on in “over”
Roberta to Malibu ken 10-4 “down and in” “over and out”

I’m having more fun in here today than george sor hols at a topless code pink rally!

Doc
Don't sweat it, the moderators know the deal. It has to violate the rules, like TCA, etc does.


Left Dingleberry,

you are not worth the keystrokes. I'm here, I see it, you're not, you don't. STFU.


Robert Robert

(singing) tiny bubbles, in my WHINEEEEE

Left Angle
What happens if we do go in nukes a blazing. It can't happen. Every decent country would...and should oppose us at that point.

We are fighting a PC war. They know we are loathe to bomb a mosque...so where do you think they would hide?

The US does everything in its power to NOT kill innocent civilians. THAT is why it isn't easy.

The left doesn't want to admit that are desire to NOT kill innocent civilians is EXACTLY what makes this GOOD versus EVIL.

We hear all about the geneva convention from the left and yet if they had bothered to read the thing they would realize it doesn't even apply here. They want rights for terrorists in Gitmo, but why would we be be giving Constitutional rights to non-US citezens.

So...the short answer...we are hamstrung by fighting a PC war.

Left Dingleberry
"its a very simple question you refuse to answer."

Guess what Hammerhead, maybe you're NOT IMPORTANT enough to BOTHER with. Go ask Soros for a raise troll.

Now in today's soccer scores....


HWMBNT

My, that's a big one.

JMind
STOP feeding the Soros trolls.

Left Dingleberry is another paid Soros sap who will ask for more and more information, like a broken freaking record. Just ignore the mook and he'll go away like Robert Robert and the other schmucks eventually so.

Do what we do, read the posts around them and discuss around them.

Robert Robert

No way Hal. It scares me

Locke
The only proof acceptable to the nuts like Roberto that WMDs exist or that someone's willing to use them against us is a large pile of dead American bodies in the street, or a mushroom cloud rising over LA or NYC.


BrianR
Indeed. Now if they nuked SF City, I might be inclind to enter into dialogue with the perps. Any other city, it's Katy-bar-the-door, dust of the neutron bombs!

Robert Robert

(on top) RIDE EM COWBOY!

BrianR
I don't think that would even do it! They would blame it on Bush.





more questions for "victory" types
what is the estimated number of insurgents in Iraq fighting against the U.S.?

what is the estimated number of insurgents fighting under the name of "Al Qaeda
In Iraq?

Please explain how "Victory IN Iraq" is going to stop another 9-11-01 terrorist attack in the domestic U.S.or how it will make the U.S. safer?


Oblahma
rises to the top, along with the scum

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/us/politics/02obama.html?ei=5090&en=4a51a9a9cb0279f0&ex=1348977600&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

I think he's been sniffing too close to Carter's bum, for too long, as the Brits say.


Robert Robert

comfortably numb

GunnyG
just an update for ya over there. The GODFATHER is lambasting Dingy Harry over the phony soldier stuff. He is destroying him with his own words.
Priceless.


Roberto: I like it like that!

SSGT
Yeah, the libstains will be blaming Bush stuff that happened under Clinton like Hanoi John remembers doing secret missions, authorized by Nixon, when LBJ was still the POTUS!

Robert Robert

I am still the Gerat Bloviator

Left Angle
Here's some basic military dogma.

You engage the enemy where you find him. Hard to fight him where he's not.

It is advantageous to pick the battlefield. We have chosen Iraq. The enemy is obliging us by participating.

Whatever forces are pinned fighting us in the ME are obviously not free to commit mayhem elsewhere, like say in Omaha.

The number of opponents in Iraq for which you keep asking is fluid. They're irregulars (guerillas). That's the nature of unconventional warfare. But never fear, no matter how many there are, we have even more bullets. Last count I read was that we have several billion in-theater.


SSGT
Unfortunately, can't get streaming media here but I'll read about it tommorrow.

GO RUSH GO!

Robert Robert

Oooo, left DANGLE

LA
what is the estimated number of insurgents in Iraq fighting against the U.S.?


The latest estimate is about three to ten times the number of active brain cells of the combined moveon.org crowd.

Robert
I'm flying the next mission to u-r-anus to pick off the clingons Shaggy.

Left Angle
To GunnyG's point...

Are you just trying to farm information? Why does what you are asking matter? You can guess, second guess, triple guess, but what are you really trying to do? It seems like you are actively trying to prove we (the US) are wrong...and my question is...why?

I am not saying don't question things, but I answered your first question...to which you just changed tactics and asked another unrelated question.

to: TheHistorian
You must love it now that every attack or suicide bombing in Iraq is now described as coming from Al Qaeda. Because your President is completely responsible for creating that threat. You complain about Clinton not doing enough to stop BinLaden. Well, now we have a president who has actually multiplied the power and influence of this hated enemy.

And the transition from describing the terrorists in Iraq as "insurgents" to now describing them as "Al Qaeda" has happened seamlessly, in the "liberal media." Now, we have a real enemy that everyone hates. The word "insurgent" poses the danger of reminding people of Luke Skywalker fighting the "Empire".

Of course, the cynical calculation, aided by all of you cons who are glad to chant in chorus with the great leader, is that people won't remember that there was no AlQaeda in Iraq before we "brought them democracy."

Either Bush-Cheney have utterly failed, or they are accurately depicted by movies like V for Vendetta or Farenheit 451 and 1984, creating and enemy, which the populace is made to fear.

The troubling part is, as it should be for "conservative" thinkers, is that our Founding Fathers knew that that was one of the greatest dangers facing any democracy: the power of an executive to create a war in order to benefit his own power.

Please read your history.

Robert
"Commie stooge" is used in a discussion in the war room, not be General Ripper. You must not watch your favorite movie very closely.

The quote:

Russian: I do not support the work of capitalist stooges.
American Officer: Only commie stooges...

Sorry, but you can't even recall your o
wn favorite movie, that's kind of sad, General Admiral Police Officer Jet Pilot Chopper Pilot Forensic Scientist Chemist Robert...

trughes
So...it doens't bother you at all the the word "insurgents" was a misnomer to begin with, but only that it has since changed to Al Qaeda?

How exactly did Bush-Cheney create this enemy again? You know the enemy that decided to attack us unprovoked. They were in office nine months right? The attack took about 5 years to plan...so given your argument...who was responsible for "creating them"?

The fact that they all went to Iraq (and I am generalizing the "all") would be stronger proof that the strategy of fighting the war elsewhere is working.

I don't make any argument that part of the war is based soley on America's best interests. I am not ashamed to say that in the least. We would be foolish if that weren't the case.

andrews
Take a BOW!

I believe you charted the resume of Robert Robert of the Robert Robert well but I added one you forgot.

"General Admiral Police Officer Jet Pilot Chopper Pilot Forensic Scientist Chemist, and advisor to heads of state.

Note the little "h".

HWMBNT

I love the feel of a bear rug on my back

JMind
Good point. I posted the link to the excellent paper on terrorist planning cycles for these libidiots so much, I thought I was teaching kindergardeners!

The A-Q playing Clinton and that idiot Berger like a fiddle. The SAME Berger, I might, add, that Hitlary wants BACK as the NatSecAdv!


the ghost of ann coulters
Ann Coulter's dick, as non-existent as it is; does have the distinction of being larger than your brain.

Bman1
Your buddy is back, his name is a slur on Anne Coulter.

TCA is back.
What a pathetic life you lead little man.

Morally bankrupt and paid by a scumbag to do scumbaggery.


Jmind
Excellent argument: "I don't make any argument that part of the war is based soley on America's best interests. I am not ashamed to say that in the least. We would be foolish if that weren't the case."

This gets to the crux of why the lefties have their panties in a bunch. As long as a war doesn't serve American interests, (Read Darfur) the libs are all for it for "Humanitarian reasons", but if we protect national intersts, we're somehow Evil.

Saddam's victims were just as dead as the poor refufees in darfur, but Iraq has Oil, so it's all about making dick cheney richer in their twisted view of reality.

Regardless of how many time OBL and his minions have stated that they want to make baghdad the seat of their global caliphate, the lefties just try to turn it all around, and claim it's just American Imperialism.

Saddam invading Kuwait was Imperialism. EI don't make any argument that part of the war is based soley on America's best interests. I am not ashamed to say that in the least. We would be foolish if that weren't the case. When he invaded Kuwait, they raped, murdered, looted and destroyed the country, stealing everything that wasn't nailed down.
We Invaded Iraq, and Brought them stuff!
Some kinda strange imperialism if you ask me.



Friends don't let friends vote Democrat.



wow, how did that get pasted twice?
Just slightly confuzzled over how that got posted. :op

Last paragraph should read:

Saddam invading Kuwait was Imperialism. When he invaded Kuwait, they raped, murdered, looted and destroyed the country, stealing everything that wasn't nailed down.
We Invaded Iraq, and Brought them stuff!
Some kinda strange imperialism if you ask me.


Jmind: a response..
I'm asking questions because I want to know exactly how "victory in Iraq" types are configuring reaching and defining that goal.

Listening to Prez Bush and General Petreus in their presentations on Iraq recently, they repeatedly spoke of "Al Qaeda in Ira

JMind
The weenie you're responding to is: TCA, censor, etc, etc.

Another Soros troll.

He'll be banned in a minute or two.

Robert Robert

I keep Hal supple and smooth

GunnyG Re: "capt" Robert
Some how I must have missed Roberta’s Rant, (he posts so many of them), where-in he now claims to be a Forensic Scientist, Chemist and an Advisor to “heads” of state; (small “h” noted) LOL. I’ll add these to my list the next time I post Roberta’s “impressive” resume. I note with amusement how defensive he becomes every time I post my now familiar exposes of this delusional whack job. He goes into an apoplectic fit when ever he sees it. I love pushing this guy’s buttons. He’s so easy to bait. Now he’s trying to guess what airline I fly for. Since he’s gone on record by saying “ I don’t answer questions”; I’ll not answer his. But perhaps the next time he goes into one of his fits, I’ll give him a clue. He’s so good at using the internet to find BS to post, that perhaps he’ll figure it out.

Jmind: a response..
I'm asking questions because I want to know exactly how "victory in Iraq" types are configuring reaching and defining that goal.

Listening to Prez Bush and General Petreus in their presentations on Iraq recently, they repeatedly spoke of "Al Qaeda in Iraq" as being the primary military opponent the U.S. is facing there. so therefore my questions are asked in that context.

BTW, ALL
Check my blog for a post on Harkin's LIES about his military service courtesy of beachmom.

Robert Robert

Gulp.

true crappy anus is back. :op
I see our oh so witty "friend" TCA has weasled his/her way back into TH.

Guess sore-a** is paying TCA a bonus for persistance. No one would Volunteer to be that stupid. Well maybe some lefties.....


Control the Liberal population, Please have your Trolls spayed or neutered.

Left Squishy
"I'm asking questions because I want to know exactly how "victory in Iraq" types are configuring reaching and defining that goal."

No you're not. You're asking stupid unanswerable questions because you're a stupid boring Soros troll.

Left Dangle

I like it when you scratch me there Robert Robert

Left Angle
Any update given is a point in time assessment. Which means at that moment the primary enemy is "X".

However, given that Bush has made it pretty clear that Iraq is one front in the GWOT it is not surprising that one of the key elements is Iraq.

The question that I think I have is what is your alternative strategy? You seem to want there to be a clear point where we can just declare victory and go home. That is exceedingly unlikely.

Robert's CV
Actually, he never claimed he was a chemist, he implied it when talking about WMD and several "colleagues" of his, guess he could have been claiming to be in demolitions, or a physicist.

He claimed Forensics knowledge in the same thread when talking about it being impossible to destroy blood evidence. I pointed out that incineration will destroy blood evidence, as will destruction of the surface containing the stain, or sufficiently caustic chemicals for a long enough time. (To be fair, he may have meant, you can't destroy blood evidence and not leave evidence that you have done so. But I don't fell like being fair to Robert.)

I hope TH has archives going back a long way, as my next hobby is to find all the famous photos Robert claims to appear in. I also want to list all the feats of his relatives, as he seems to have had quite a few of those...

And, Robert, next time you find yourself third to the left From Churchill in that Yalta photo, wave to my grandfather for me, I miss the old coot. He should be a row or two back and to your right.



Left Angle
"Key elements is Iraq"...should be Key elements is Al Qaeda.

Left Angle
That is actually a pretty easy question to answer, In fact President Bush has answered it repeatedly.

When they Iraqi people can handle their own security, then we can come home.
When they stand up, we can stand down.

Now i know it's hard to tell from watching the MSM, they Are standing up. Even the big 3 dem candidates are backpedalling from their "cut n run" strategy. And I know that just has to burn the bunz of every "I hate america" hippy in the country.

Gee, if Gen. Patareus is such a big fat fibber, how come Hillary et al are suddenly admitting that we will have troops there for quite a while? Hillary now says she wants to bring the troops home before the end of her first term! (Thats 2013 for you moonbats)

Of course harry reid is still ready to wave his white flag the nexttime AQ gets lucky and blows up some more innocent women and children. The dems are so Brave!

JMind
That's an incredible bit of knowledge: "The attack took about 5 years to plan..." were you there? Why didn't you tell us about it.

Or did that information come from Mouassaoui's laptop? I remember, that's the laptop that, during the Ommission Commission we heard testimony that field agents tried to investigate, by a legitimate FISA application (they had evidence that Moussaoui could be considered a foriegn agent from FBI in France), but whose application for FISA was actually pulled by the head of the "BIN LADEN UNIT", David Fracas, later promoted by Bush. Fracas had the agents reprimanded for filing for FISA.

How can their be any logical explanation for the FBI pulling a FISA application, other than the fact that that was about 15 days prior to the attacks of 9-11 and the BIN LADEN unit didn't want people to know what was on that laptop?

Remember, this was the time during which your president was "swatting flies," according to Condi?

Or, are you perhaps refering to the the time since early 1997 when the "Project for an New American Century" was founded by a number of prominent neo-cons and which culminated in an open letter to President Clinton urging action against IRAQ.

From the website for the Project in "Rebuilding America's Defenses" section V,entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", includes the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor".


Bman1/GunnyG
who can I contact about being flagged? I want to know why they did it.

JMind -2
Maybe you were on the inside, and do know it took precisely 5 years.

Furthermore you say, You are proud of the war even though from the outside, it looks like a fiasco. We have destabilized and entire region, we are pouring $7 billion a month into the pockets of war profiteers and our enemy is stronger than it was! You've got a lot to be proud of.

But, really, at the bottom of it all, I guess you are saying you're okay with going to war to secure oil for our "interests". I think that is a supremely immoral position. I think you should also justify someone's taking out a pistol and shooting you on the street, robbing you and walking away, of course shooting anyone who challenged him. And to be consistant, you would probably have to say that the insertion of a police force and system of laws, would be socialistic, which they are. Society decided such structures actually benefit the common good. God forbid.

Human history has already had this discussion and you lost.

Correction
Just looked on line, and most prints of the Yalta photo put my one (not so) illustrious ancestor out of frame. He must have had a much larger print, or one that never got picked up by the wire. Well, what do you want? He was pretty unimportant, so he didn't get one of the choice spots.

No, wait, I take that part about him being my only illustrious ancestor back. I did have an ancestor whose body was stolen for medical students in Ohio during the 19th century... Does that count as an illustrious ancestor?

I suppose I have to defer to Robert. His ancestors are much more significant than mine.


Jackpine Savage
Just flag the mook. I do as soon as I recognize the loser.

andrews
He Who Must Be Named Twice (HWMBNT), HalD, TCA, and Left dAngle are, ahem, indisposed right now.


Robert Robert

GROUP GROPE guys!

TCA = Idiot (Not even useful)
this is what you wrote,

"the ghost of ann coulters dick writes: Tuesday, October, 02, 2007 2:54 PM
i make lots
of money writing for soros. i can't believe you don't. "

You should have wrote. "I'm a pawn in George Soros' plan to bankrupt the USA and usher in a new age of communism". Of course that would be too honest for ya huh crappy anus?


I'm gonna repeat the same question I've been asking for days and have yet to get a Real answer.

For all you lefty "useful idiots" all cry and whine that we conservatives impugn your Patriotism, I have one simple question.

Assuming for one minute that yopu really Are trying to help the enemy win the war, what would you do differently than you are now? (here's a hint, "I'll vote reoublican isn't a Real answer.)

Let the spinning begin!


Bman1
Thanks Bman1, I'll do it. These libsquirts. No wonder most of them don't join the military. The
cowards.




Roberto: Hal, will you watch the sound of music with me tonight?

Gunny,
That would be too easy, besides I love giving the little pimple on the butt of america a good slap down once in a while. :)

Hey Gunny, can you play flash over there? if so I bet you'll love this. A little game I came up with a few months back.

http://www.fundmental.com/flash/whack It's called Whack a Terrorist. :o)

Friedman is RIGHT!
Why do we bother fighting wars? It's SO inconvenient! We know we can defeat Al Qaeda, so why don't we just declare victory and dispense with all this military posturing? A declaration of victory will make us all FEEL better and will be a lot less expensive.

While we're at it, let's declare victory over Canada. They'll surrender without a fight. Then let's annex Mexico. This will allow the myth of the North American Union to become a glorious reality.

And people act like war is complicated!

Bman1
Just don't be nasty like little boy TCA. No heavy personal attacks or threats.

Goofing on the Puffed One is not a violation.

They can flag all they want but the mods know we're dogging the mooks.

GunnyG
Then why did they bomb me? I really didn't say anything nasty. It does not bother me, I just want to know why.



Roberto: boom shakalaka, boom shakalaka

Hmmm
AH, Robert Robert of the Robert Robert's is back to dispense with his vast knowledge of everything about nothing.

"You can kill me, you can eat me, just don't boor me." Gunny H.


Robert Robert

Yo, I like that "eat me" part. How bout you TCA?

Jack Savage: a response..
"Cut and run" is bs repub/con false propaganda. I dont recall any of the dem big three saying there wouldnt be some type of military presence in Iraq for years to come.

One thing for sure, If a democrat is elected president and dems maintain control of Congress, there will be a exit strategy and major shift in policy with Iraq to taking over security and defense of THEIR country and a gradual drawdown of U.S. troops in that theatre.

As long as there is a republican in the whitehouse, they will sit there and babysit the iraqis forever, not giving them any incentive to take responsibility, because you repubs/cons dont
think they can do the job in the first place.
Why the heck should they when they can continually expose U.S. soldiers to death/injury
with Bush's indefinite "stay the course forever"
strategy?

SSGT
Well, maybe Robert Robert burst into tears, who knows.

Just be careful. No cussing, heavy nasty stuff.


Robert Robert

Did I tell you about when Teddy Roosevelt consulted me about the Tripoli problem? Well...

trughes
Wow...talk about twisting words to suit your point. All I said was "I don't make any argument that *part* of the war is based soley on America's best interests."

That implies that our interests are in addition to the other reasons we went in (Saddam shirking 13 UN resolutions, nearly every western intelligence agency believing he had WMD, etc etc).

My point was that it would be naive to suggest we didn't have our own interest in mind, and suddenly I am gunning people down on the street for their wallets?

Ahhh...the moral equivilence of the left.

ALL countries have their own interests in mind when dealing with other countries!!!

Robert
The right is good at lies?

Have you seen a Michael Moore flick recently? Did you actually listen to what Rush said on the air and what is being reported? For that matter did you listen to what O'Reilly said the other week and what was reported?

Or what about the famous left lies:

Bush Stole the election (twice)
The debate is OVER on Global warming
Socialized health care is FREE health care
Lowering taxes only benefits the rich
Republicans are racists

Bman1
LOL!

I heard that Rosie was told by the California DMV to have a "WIDE LOAD" placard affixed to her "rear" bumper when out and about.

Also, the Pentagon is considering both Robert Robert AND Rosie as potential non-lethal devices.

Robert RObert gets air-dropped into a crowd to boor them to sleep.

Rosie gets fed tons of Rosarita refrieds and dropped in (palletized) as a non-lethal gas dispenser.

Robert Robert

I want my mommy

Bman1
LOL!

I heard that Rosie was told by the California DMV to have a "WIDE LOAD" placard affixed to her "rear" bumper when out and about.

Also, the Pentagon is considering both Robert Robert AND Rosie as potential non-lethal devices.

Robert RObert gets air-dropped into a crowd to boor them to sleep.

Rosie gets fed tons of Rosarita refrieds and dropped in (palletized) as a non-lethal gas dispenser.

Robert Robert

I want my mommy

Left Angle's non-answer.
Nice try LA, No kewpie doll for you.

Left Angle writes: Tuesday, October, 02, 2007 3:26 PM
"Jack Savage: a response..
"Cut and run" is bs repub/con false propaganda. I dont recall any of the dem big three saying there wouldnt be some type of military presence in Iraq for years to come."

"If President Bush doesnb't bring our troops home by the time I'm elected president I Will!" Hillary Clinton July 07.

Ok, I guess GWB put those words in her mouth huh?

"The War is Lost, the Surge Has Failed." Harry Reid April 07.
Yup, GWB made Harry's custom white flag too huh?


One thing for sure, If a democrat is elected president and dems maintain control of Congress, there will be a exit strategy and major shift in policy with Iraq to taking over security and defense of THEIR country and a gradual drawdown of U.S. troops in that theatre.

Yeah all 3 of the dem front runners said in a recent debate that we'd have troops there for years. Some exit strategy! Those dems, they're such War-Mongers!



As long as there is a republican in the whitehouse, they will sit there and babysit the iraqis forever, not giving them any incentive to take responsibility, because you repubs/cons dont
think they can do the job in the first place.
Why the heck should they when they can continually expose U.S. soldiers to death/injury
with Bush's indefinite "stay the course forever"
strategy?

Just like we're Babysitting in Germany, Japan, Korea..... We're still fighting Clinton's War (kosovo)

You can't engage in a battle of wits, and come unarmed L.A. :op

I'll ask again for the rest of the moonbats to chew on.

Assuming for one minute that you really Are trying to help the enemy win the war, what would you do differently than you are now? (here's a hint, "I'll vote republican isn't a Real answer.)

Flame if you must, I'm wearing my asbestos longjohns. :op



RETSSGT
Try calling them. Sometimes a glitch develops in the software. I honestly don't think you did anything wrong.

Their telephone number is on the home page. Be prepared, it takes awhile to get thru. (Remember, I had a similar thing happen to me. If you look at my blog site, I make mention of it in September 2007.)

Robert
are you still here?
if so I have a few questions
P

Jackpine Savage
Left dAngle is a swoop, poop, and scoot artist.

I used to debate the mook but after awhile the repetitous "but why" begins to sound like an 8 y.o. kid in the back seat asking, "almost there?"

Like dating a liberal chick, not matter HOW good looking, it's not worth the time trying to rewire their brain housing group nor is it worth debating thimblebrain.

Robert Robert

They call me Puffy Puffy
Ignorant as can beeeeeee
I'm smarter than theee
My gas makes you flee

They call me Puffy Puffy
a real loudmouth booorrrr


Bobert (sic)

Robert's latest rant:
"Rush's comment on the soldiers, yes I heard it and read the transcript was exactly the same. It was designed to reinforce the right wing theory that all soldiers fighting in the Irq thing are 100 percent supportive of the effort and how it is being conducted."

You obviously Didn't read the transcript or Listen to the audio. He was talking about ONE "phoney Soldier" who really was a Phoney Soldier! Jesse McBeth claimed to have seen atrocities in Iraq, yet only served 44 days in Boot camp before he got Booted.

Now, if that isn't a Phoney Soldier, I'll eat the quarters you keep plunking into your fighter jet in front of wal-mart.


Robert: Due to budget cuts, we had to ground our Wal-Mart Air force, and have opened a Cavalry at Meijer instead. (The horses are only a penny per ride)

phil
Yeah, ITs here.

Busy dispensing his vast knowledge to the masses. I expect he'll be going on those "night ops" with HalD here soon.


Robert Robert

No, just snuggling shaggy

Savage: If you actually believe...
that there WILL NOT be a shift in Iraq policy of turning over security/defense to the Iraqis and a implementation of exit strategy of gradual withdrawal of U.S. Troops from Iraq, if dems gain control of both the white house and conress, youre a bigger FOOL than I already think you already are.

I never said or believed there wouldnt be some
type of u.s. military presence it Iraq after the
drawdown of troops. I dont think there is a single democrat who doesnt believe that. The difference is it will be nowhere near the levels that Bush presently has there and they will be there in a much different role.

Do you actually take politicians dem or repub for their word on everything they say at any given time?

If you do then again youre a bigger fool than I thought...battle of wits dude? I just youse commom sense, which evidently you dont have..
lmao

Robert
Ahh- I see you are still here

An earlier poster on another thread said that you are a Naval Officer and a test pilot.

If so would you answer a few questions?

What is the definition of VMC,VR,TIT,TGT,IAS, V1,V2,N1,N2,Mu
What is a hot start? Define accelerated stall. What is the limiting factor in maximum crosswind for landing?
These should take about 5 minutes to answer.
If you have the time I do
P