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Tuesday, September 18, 2007
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Party of George Soros
by David Limbaugh
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I don't think nearly enough has been made of the despicable MoveOn.org character assassination attack ad against General David Petraeus and the Democratic leadership's striking refusal to repudiate it. If you want to see the face of the modern Democratic Party, re-read that ad.

The full-page New York Times ad, reportedly purchased at a radical discount, directly accused Petraeus of "cooking the books for the White House," called him "a military man constantly at war with the facts," and said he "is likely to become "General Betray Us."

Lest you think I'm exaggerating, consider the comments of MoveOn's executive director, Eli Pariser. He said, "If you have a general who is being willfully misleading to the public and the Congress about the state of a military endeavor, that's a big problem."

Most Democratic leaders refused to condemn the ad. Some, like Hillary Clinton, independently echoed its sentiment. Clinton unmistakably called Petraeus a liar when she told him, "I think that the reports that you provide to us really require a willing suspension of disbelief."

Gone for now are the "Sister Souljah moments," where Democratic presidential candidates dress down the far left to appear more centrist to a credulous general electorate. If this ad proved nothing else, it showed that the Democratic Party is a wholly owned subsidiary of the George Soros empire.

With today's Democratic Party, we are witnessing the full-blown resurrection of the far antiwar left of 1972, but with a sinister twist. This institution is more than the political vehicle for the antiwar movement and other leftist causes. It has become a highly refined and lavishly funded character assassination machine that relies more on ad hominem attacks than debating the merits of issues to win elections and advance its policy agenda.

Just think of the decent people whose characters it has attempted to savage: President George Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Attorneys General John Ashcroft and Alberto Gonzalez, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Judge Samuel Alito and scores of others, including most high-profile Bush judicial nominees. I can just hear the derisive laughter now from those allergic to my suggestion that these people are indeed honorable public servants. Such derision demonstrates the effectiveness of the left's relentless propaganda efforts.

Democratic war opponents, for example, could have argued the facts Petraeus presented. But with early reports of the surge's success, they had to counter with something more than an alternative perspective.

While Democrats cynically accused Bush of making the well-respected Petreaus his point man to sell the success of the surge, they used that very tactic in reverse. They tried to undercut the case for the surge by tainting its messenger, Petreaus, through association with Bush -- saying he was merely Bushs mouthpiece, a charge Petreaus roundly refuted in his opening remarks to Congress.

You can be sure Democrats will ratchet up their attacks against Petraeus, and it will only be a matter of time before their endless efforts to discredit him seep into the public psyche. What will have begun as another abominable lie will be believed by increasing numbers of people who place their trust in the Democratic Party and its mainstream-media echo chamber.

And why not? Somewhat like O.J. Simpson, Democratic leaders have not been held accountable for their misdeeds and obviously figure they can continue their chicanery with impunity. No one is above their smear machine if his or her actions interfere with MoveOn's, er, their agenda.

It would be bad enough if the damage from these personal attacks were limited to their individual victims. But think about the effect of their slanders against Petraeus on the reputation of our armed forces. To undermine the commander of our forces in wartime Iraq is unconscionable and disgraceful.

It's undeniable that the Democratic leadership is in complete intellectual and tactical lockstep with George Soros's band of anti-military, antiwar radicals.

The Democratic Party has moved so far to the left its amazing that it is in serious contention for the 2008 presidential race, notwithstanding the well-earned complaints against the GOP.

If Republicans were half as good with their communication machine as Democrats, Democrats would already be clawing back to the center right now and heavily handicapped going into 2008.

Think about the humorous, but revealing ad showing Michael Dukakis in a tank during the 1988 campaign, and that wasn't even during time of war.

Can you envision Hillary Clinton commandeering such a vehicle? How about the entire ship of state?

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Are the liberals right? Who cares!
Yet another of the daily dozen neoconservative columns that slam Democrats and liberals for challenging Petraeus.. yet nowhere in the column are the particular criticisms of the liberals actually discussed, much less challenged.

That would take research. Work. Intelligence. It's much easier to be SHOCKED!

A word: Swiftboating
Did Limbaugh have a similar meltdown over the character assassination of that other bronze star soldier/hero, John Kerry, when the rightwing swiftboated him with false accusations? I think not, in fact, Limbaugh was fully on board, helping to spread the lies.

This is hypocrisy, folks - the likes of which only the rightwing can pull off without a hint of irony.

talisman you're confused on
the use of the term swiftboating. See swiftboating is when a group of good citizens see false and dangerous claims made by a dishonest politician and then do something to correct the record. The term you're looking for here is.........wait except for the part that the good citizen(limbaugh)numbers one and dangerous and false guy is not a politician.....swiftboating works to a tee.

Would you care to elucidate
some of those "specific criticicsms"? From all I can gather from the press coverage, the entire left-wing argument against General Petraeus is "liar, liar, pants on fire".

That's not necessarily the Democrats fault, if they are indeed offering any cogent, constructive criticisms. The media today remains "neutral" by uncritically offering competing view-points in a "they-say-but-then-they-say" format, w/o examining veracity or context. Anybody remember "the worst economy in 50 years" from the '92 campaign? I know quite a few of us would like to forget the Carter years, but come on now...

talisman 12:16am
John Kerry: 3 purple hearts in 5 months of service in Viet Nam and he neither limps, has a bad arm, or is in a wheelchair. (One of these purple hearts was awarded for a wound that a medic used a bandaid to treat.)

My own father in WW2 was shot down in a P40, had flak (clearly visible) on his left side, and lost all his teeth in the crash. He never was offered, nor would he have accepted a purple heart.

John Kerry used the 3 purple hearts to get out of active duty in Viet Nam. The few records that have been found show that he perhaps awarded himself these purple hearts.

Kerry talked with representatives of North Vietnam in Paris before he was discharged from the service (i.e., he committed treason).

If you can show anything like this for General Petraeus, list it. Otherwise shut up.

where are they
Where are the 'particular' criticisms made by the liberals, Kahryl? I think you must be referring to the pejorative posturing such as Eli Pariser's "a general who is being WILLFULLY misleading to the public and Congress about the state of a military endeavor." That smear is far from a 'particular' criticism. And by the by, do you notice that Pariser's use of the word WILLFULLY very closely parallels Clinton's 'WILLFUL suspension of disbelief'. You WILLFUL liberals prove little minds think alike.

Good ole coattails...
I can't believe it, another "betray us" article that does nothing to address the actual message of the ad - The American people simply don't believe anything that comes from the administration about the war. Nothing.

correction

sorry, Hillary said "willing" not willful; same thing in essence.

Pay no attention to the man behind the
curtain!

Sinister Mr. Soros would be laughable if he were not so intent on the destruction of the United States.

I think he is still bitter because we defeated his Nazi buddies.

More Armchair Generals
I continue to sit here amazed at all the armchair generals who have never been here, let alone served in the military, who insist that they know exactly what is going on over here and they know for a fact that the General is lying. Absolutely amazing, the depth of military knowledge and expertise that exists out there from many who couldn't tell the barrel from the buttstock of an M16.

Come spend a few months with us over here on the ground and see for yourself if you REALLY want the truth. But, then again, don't bother, the truth never really mattered to you anyway.

George Soros would love
nothing better than the turn the Republic of the United States into a socialist/fascist, maybe even communist country whereupon he would elect himself dictator (and call in all the favors owed to him by the Democrat Party leaders.)The idea of it is sickening, but I can picture him wetting his pants with the thought of it coming true.

Party of Exxon
While Limbaugh here spreads his usual lies about Democrats and MoveOn.org he totally ignores where the money comes to Republican party... and how GOP is taking dictations from oil industry.

What makes Limbaugh whine is the fact that Soros as billionaire should give his money to GOP like majority of them do...

And lImbaugh whines about character assassinatio nof General patraeus and then writes this? Oh, please, what a hypocrite. Typical Christian repugnant pundit: full of lies and slander, no other substance but vicious rhetoric.



Hey Van, how about a few facts?
Fact: Both Soros, and Hillary's buddy Hsu are convicted criminals.

Fact: Republicans receive more small money contributions from individuals than the Dems do from their Barbra Streisand, Rosie O'Donell buddies.

Fact: John Kerry has NEVER released all of his military records. Kerry was also honored in a Hanoi Vietnam War museum for his contributions to the communist cause.

Pssst, hey Van, don't look now but your ignorance is hiked way up over your head. Not a pretty visual.

Sarcasm Doen't Solve National Problems
How in the world can this constant sniping – from all sides – be anything but a circular firing squad? This America, and we, face a myriad of shared problems that require common sense solutions that should come out of a shared desire to pull together, rather than prompt knee jerk reactions to symbolic straw men (or women).

It is just as easy to characterize Hillary Clinton negatively in an Army tank from a conservative’s point of view, as it would be for liberals to similarly characterize George Bush negatively in an Army tank. But how does this move the nation forward?

We need wisdom, not incessant sarcasm. We need reason, not superstition. We need to be inclusive of our diverse populous, not exclusive and divisive. We need to care more about our problems than we seem to care about our different biases.

Whilst we continue this national pissing contest, China and India out produce us in scientists and engineers, our good paying jobs are moving offshore, and our national debt to foreigners burgeons. Please stop and think before you add more vitriol to the fire of our national demise.

A government run by MoveOn.org?
So many Democrats in the government today are toe-ing the MoveOn party line that I fear what will be when even the President of the country is beholden to MoveOn.

To my knowledge, no talk show host and no columnist has discussed this point, and it surely is a very important one, considering just how likely it is that we will have a Democrat in office after the next election.

That in itself would be bad enough, but to have one who is so thoroughly in the pocket of George Soros is a terrifying thought. Do we want a goverment that has been bought and paid for by a hard-core socialist organization?

You don't get it, Stormrunner
As nice as your sentiment is, like Dennis Kucinich's proposal for a "Department of Peace" it's unmoored from reality.

As in no time in our nation's history one political party, the Democrats, are engaging in treasonous, destructive comments and actions that are truly threatening our nation.

Enemies from Hugo Chavez to Osama Bin Laden are using the rhetoric of Democrats as propaganda talking points.

The Dems totally lack scruples or shame and smear everyone from the President to the Attorney General to the general leading our forces in Iraq.

It should be apparent to every clear-eyed American that the Democrats are interested in only one thing -- the complete restoration of their political power. If that means weakening our nation or smearing its leaders in front of the entire world, so be it.

For these reasons the Dems must be countered word for word, action for action. They cannot be allowed to triumph.


Sauce for the Goose
I hear your outrage. Where was it when the privately-funded Swift Boat Veterans did their own character assassination job, calling a decorated war hero a liar who misrepresented his service and received the Purple Heart under false pretenses? Where was it when Ann Coulter said that Max Cleland lost three limbs in Vietnam while he was drinking? Where was it this afternoon when I saw, for the hundredth time, TV commercials funded by Freedom Watch (an organization of former White House staff members) lying about the Iraq War?

I subscribe to daily delivery of the New York Times. When, as I poured milk onto my cornflakes, I saw the moveon.org ad I said: "Hooray!". Every organization that has studied The Surge has disagreed with Bush/Petraeus' conclusions. The books have indeed been cooked. By now we should be about 4,000 dead Americans past swallowing anything Bush's people say about his war---and past calling into question the patriotism of Americans who do not believe Bush's people. Petraeus is widely seen as Gonzales II.

Perhaps you don’t get it, Fight4right
Can you possibly not see as reality the soaring price of education and health care, the growing national debt, the rise of China, environmental threats, and the relative recent diminution of America as a world economic and moral leader?

Speech at the ends of all political spectrums is shrill, and I argue, diminishes reasoned and common sense solutions. Your statements are absolutist and your language implies that either you are unable to navigate the hyperbole of political rhetoric, or that you have swallowed your own extreme agenda.

I, like I hope most Americans, have a mix of liberal and conservative views, and don’t impose the blinders of zealotry so as to see only an extreme point of view. We have already fought a Civil War over the inability to reach a common sense solution that would appeal to shared values. Beating the war drum of trumped exaggerations is a prescription for conflict – not a call for enlightened solutions.

lilly
I see your STILL posting the S.O.S. on the Swift Boaters even AFTER CVN65, Brian, Tunneler, and a few others took you to the woodshed.

Stupid IS as stupid DOES.

I also notice that you were CONSPICUOUSLY ABSENT on my blog for the ACLU expose that included WHO FUNDS THEM! Several liberal "money launderers" and, of course, the owner of the DNC George Sorea**.

Lastly, lilly, Have you missed my series on the murder of Ron Brown. Just posting the FACTS lilly and doubtful you can handle them. Your heroes Bubba and Hitlary are in it up to their eyes.

I'll be waiting for ya dingbat.

YEOW
Check out how liberals quiet dissent at speeches.

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=5692

Maybe we should do THAT when they heckle Ann, Laura, Mary H, etc?

You know, now that I think of it, why IS IT that liberal girlyboys only heckle FEMALE conservatives? Must be that yellow streak running up their spines.

fight4right
Dennis the Menace Kucinich recently opened up a new office and mission in his life.

http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/g/4abd97a6-e4aa-4566-b077-ea99d85af2c2

GunnyG
I admire your tenacity in trying to get various libs here to see the light but since facts are extremely inconvenient to them I doubt they'll read, let alone comprehend the implications to their world view.

CFUSMC
It's like shooting a .50cal at a battleship! haha.

The ideas, like bullets, just bounce off of that thick ridge of bone the libscum call a head.

A smart kid
Can a joke explain liberals?

First Day Of School

On the first day of school a public school first grade teacher says to her class that she is a liberal.

She asks her students to raise their hands if they, too, are liberals.

Wanting to impress their teacher, everyone in the class raises their hand except one little boy wearing a t-shirt that says: "My Dad is a US Marine."

The teacher looks at the boy with surprise and then annoyance after reading the shirt.

"Jim, why didn't you raise your hand?" She asks.

"Because I'm not a liberal," he replied.

The teacher, getting mad asked, "Well, if you are not a Liberal, then what are you?"

"I am a Reaganite just like my Dad and proud of it," Jim replied.

The teacher could not believe her ears. "Jim, why pray tell are you a fan of that so-called President?"

"Because my Mom is a Reaganite, and my dad is a Reaganite too after Ronnie rescued the hostages and rebuild the military and won the Cold War!"

"Well, I NEVER!," sputtered the teacher in an angry tone, "that is no reason for YOU to be a Reaganite. You don't have to be just like your parents all of the time. What if your Mom was an idiot and your dad was a moron, what would YOU be then?" She mocked.

"Then," Jim smiled and said, "I'd be a LIBERAL!"

Stormrunner, take off the blinders
Your high-minded rhetoric reminds me of Rodney King, who famously said, "Can't we all just get along," then went home and got arrested for beating his wife.

Liberals should love Bush; he's an open borders advocate; he spends money like a sailor in a strip club; he signed into law an enormously expensive prescription drug bill. And his former attorney general only fired a few government prosecutors. Mr. Clinton fired every last one.

What you fail to understand is there is no compromising with Democrats because they keep on with their character assassinations and scorched earth attacks on their critics.

You mention civil war? Well we're fighting a civil war right now, whether you see it or not. We're fighting for the soul and future of this nation. Will we become a Sweden with a glandular problem, like the "progressives" want, where guns are banned, taxes are outrageous and we meekly fade from the world stage?

The problems you mention -- healthcare, moral and economic leadership, cost of education have all been worsened by DEMOCRATIC leadership which believes everything can be improved by higher taxes and more government intervention, a smaller military, not to mention voter fraud, creating protected classes of people, and open borders.


TCA
True to form, hyperbole and character assassination are about all you have. Try arguing ideas with facts. As for Rush having fewer friends, I highly doubt it.

GunnyG
Are you in country now? I'm with the Fwd in CF.

MoveOn.org and the Dems.
Perfect Together!

Hey MoveOn, do me a favor will ya? Take out another ad in the NYT. Plenty more Generals out there. How 'bout an American Marine, or an Army Ranger or a Navy Seal this time. You know. The people you can't hide your contempt for. It would be easy. You and the Times and your other pals, the Democratic leaders, all get together and work up another one of those sweet ads.

Show the American people where your heart is. Why not get your other your pals, bin Laden, alQaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran in on the photo. You could show these charming folks defeating your foe. You know who your foe is, of course. The United States of America!

Two words for CFUSMC and Gunny
Thank you!

Let's analyze
true captain america's last post.

1. your sorry drug addled brother is ten times the character assassinator than anyone one the left is.

Combination of ad hominem attack, hasty generalization, plus a dash of wishful thinking.

2. and he probably has more money

Combination: red herring and irrelevant conclusion.

3. but fewer friends.

Combination of ad hominem, hasty generalization, and appeal to consequences.

Thus, our Court Jester states that since Rush states facts and backs them up, that somehow having a lot of money is bad.

I guess our Court Jester TCA is OK with the fact that Hanoi John is the richest scumbag in Congress and that since Red Nanny P-Lousy is also very rich. But they worked for their cash right CJ? They didn't marry rich widows or other rich libstains (who employ illegals, right?) to get their cash!?

WHAA.

Fight4right
You're welcome!

CFUSMC
Camp Victory/Slayer

Mainly the Perfume Palace, Usay's old digs.

We keep finding a lot of love letters from liberals in the USA as we open up rooms for usage, etc.

Seems that Nany Pelosi had a real thing for Usay.

T.C.
Check my blog (click on my handle) and read my four part series on the ACLU and WHO FUNDS THEM!

At least three liberal "foundations" serve as money launderers for rich liberals for radical leftist groups.

Ever wonder how liberals can gather protestors who never seem to "WORK" for a living?

Sticks & Stones
Fight4right, I am perfectly capable of responding in kind and can appreciate the tendency to do such. But that is juvenile and plays to our courser nature.

There is no escaping the fact that the Republican Party and conservative views controlled all three branches of government for the first six years of the Bush presidency. I am less concerned that new elections bring in Democrats, or Republicans, or Independents, than I am concerned that we elect men and women of wisdom, intelligence, experience, and a commitment to working together to solve our common problems with practical and common sense fair minded solutions.

What I don’t want, and I dare say what most Americas don’t want, is to continue with an ineffective government, deadlock, and pushing seemingly intractable problems off on future generations.

It’s a disappointment to see the level of acerbic discussion, ad hominem attack, arrogance, and stupidity that threads through so much of the discussions on this and other conservative and liberal postings online. We are a better people than is represented by the level of discourse by those who seemingly find the anonymity of this medium an outlet for behavior that would not be accepted in civil society.

You truly are amazing, Stormrunner
Good luck in finding your Utopia. History and human nature, regretably, are not in your favor.

GunnyG
No surprises there seeing as how Code Pink actually traveled here to hand over $600K to the "insurgency" a couple years back. Haven't found any "love letters" here though.

I've been reading TH for years and lately have appreciated your willingness to stand up and call it like it is. Keep up the good work. If you ever accidently find yourself lost at CF let me know

Keep your a** down and your powder dry!

Semper Fi

tca
Hey, go for it, it's your money. Stalin and Lenin thank you.

BTW, your libsquitr party is taking a beating after last week.

General Petraeus is now called the SURGIN General and America loves him! haha.

Also happening in the libstain party:

1. The New York Times ad by MoveOn.org trashing Petraeus as a liar backfired REAL BAD. Seems Americans don't like it when the Left slanders honorable men.

2. YOUR Dhimmicrats are afraid to repudiate MoveOn.org because the party relies so heavily on it for money and campaign workers! Even RINO McShame slammed them! He said if Democratic Sen. Hillary Clinton isn't tough enough to denounce MoveOn.org, she's not tough enough to be president.

Here's a story on Wes Boyd and Joan Blades who run moveyourbowels.org.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297133,00.html

BTW: They live at 1141 Walnut St in Berzerkley if anyone cares.

TCA
1. Exactly how many people Rush has discussed on his show, have had their reputations destroyed, businesses lost, been arrested or forced to resign their positions in Congress due to Rush's discussions and disagreements with them and/or things they've said? Remember with you libs it isn't the truth of the matter or the facts of the case but rather the seriousness of the charge.

2. Exactly how many BILLIONAIRE conservatives are there? Just curious.

3. I guess the fact that Rush has the largest radio listening audience of over 20 MILLION means that he just is not that popular. How many successful liberal talk radio hosts are there and what is their listenership? I guess the fact that Rush gets mobbed by fans everywhere he goes is completely irrelavant too.

Wow
Gunny and other conservatives here give rather apt example of "non-slanderous" and "issue focused" manner in which conservatives tend to debate.

Such class...

To GunnyG
Well, lilly is still posting about how Gen. Shinseki was forced into retirement for criticizing the war effort, even though his impending retirement had been announced in the NY Times in 2002.
What do you expect from someone who won't learn and can't let go of discredited talking points?

Dem Voters
If constant criticism and character assassination were not an effective tactic with Dem voters, moveon and other elements of the far Left - which by her words and inaction now includes HR Clinton - would not continue to use them in lieu of focusing on key issues and solutions. Dem voters have sent their pols a clear message - "We will vote for you no matter what." - in sufficient numbers that Dem pols don't see a need to behave any differently. So they won't.

Responsibility for the moveon ad and its brethern doesn't stop at Soros, or at the Clintons' door. Every Dem voter bears some responsibility, and will continue to do so. Millions of sheep, with malignant shepherds.

Guns and all who care
Head over to my blog and see featured posts for the GOE AAR thus far...I have a couple more things to add. plus photos.


CFUSMC
Thanks, you too.

You find yourself at the perfume palace, ask for the FDO.

Tallil2long
You expect the libstains to understand facts?

Our resident Court Jester, TCA, can't even understand the simple facts posted in regards to Clinton and Enron even though it's well documented fact in sworn testimony and government records.

The Clinton Lemmings
Those who plan to vote for the distaff side of the ethics-challenged Clintons in the coming election bring to mind Samuel Johnson's quib about second marriages: The triumph of hope over experience.

But whoever said that Democrats were intelligent?

TCA
Your response is par for the course. I can see that actually doing some research to support your supposition is either impossible for you to do, inconsequential or is a foreign concept; not that facts would matter to you anyway. You've proved over and over again that you'll believe whatever you wish, even if it's something so preposterous that a 5 year old wouldn't buy it. Hey, that's your right. If I remember correctly you stated on another thread a day or so ago, that there has been nothing in your life (or in this country? I forget) worth fighting for? The sad thing is, someday the chickens will come home to roost and then where will your smug version of "truth" be?

Can't go to bed yet. It's only 1600 (4 PM) and my day doesn't end until almost 0000 (Midnight). Gotta go help kill more terrorists!

TCA
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26550

Just one article I found in about ten seconds.

If it was FALSE then why haven't the Clinton's SUED for libel?

Maybe they prefer not to open that can of worms.

Here's another on how the Clinton's used OPIC to give bad loans to Enron. Seems the Clinton's have a bad habit of using banks to front bad loans.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26159

Military lying?
Why do you folks have problem with the idea that the military would lie? Have you forgotten the Jessica Lynch story or the Pat Tillman story?

This administration has a sorry history of chucking those who didn't follow their "logic", so why wouldn't they select another toady to carry their message?

And what about the fact that Bush was already preparing his speech supporting the general's recommendations days before he made the recommendation? Wouldn't that indicate some collusion?

To GunnyG
Well, I'm not much for terms like 'libstain'; I think we would do better without them. Somebody has to be the non-name-calling adults, you know.
However, your point about facts seems justifiable. I would't say that they can't understand facts; I think many feel that their Crusade On Behalf Of The World is so important that the goal justifies such means as lying or misrepresenting facts, using situational ethics, slander, etc.

Which makes me wonder why I bother to ask people to refrain from insulting them. Oh well, it's a principle.

TCA
Here's part of the material I researched.

http://finance.senate.gov/press/enron.pdf

Gotta love government records.

Clintonites give 544 million to Enron through OPIC.

Not bad. I wonder if Bubba got a 10% finder's fee?

Stormrunner
It is unfortunate that there is little room for reasoned, civil discourse in our political process. The nastiness will continue to control until enough voters unite around better ideas than the current extremes and displace one of them. This is uncommon in our history, and it is difficult to understand why. But like it or not, voters have chosen to support the current two parties and we are stuck with a choice of the lesser harm (unless we want to waste our votes on a third party or not vote at all).

Stormrunner
You give me "HOPE".I am no FAN of human beings and their inability to be decent.But,some people who seek a level above buffoonery do exist.Thank You!You sound like a "BRIT".

Stormrunner
You give me "HOPE".I am no FAN of human beings and their inability to be decent.But,some people who seek a level above buffoonery do exist.Thank You!You sound like a "BRIT".

Stormrunner
You give me "HOPE".I am no FAN of human beings and their inability to be decent.But,some people who seek a level above buffoonery do exist.Thank You!You sound like a "BRIT".

Tallil2long
I hear you and see your point. However, I have absoluetly no respect for the left and the only reason I'm not out hunting them is I don't feel like going to prison.

I've watched them spit and throw dirty diapers on GI's (Oakland 1970)

I've watched them disrespect the National Anthem (Oakland A's World Series Game 1972)

I've seen them burn our flag many times.

I've seen them wipe their A**ES on the flag after taking a duece in the street. (Libs protest Grenada 1983, Bezerkely, CA)

We've ALL seen them lie, cheat, steal, rob, rape, kill, etc, under Clintoon, i.e., Norman Hsu anyone?

I had to serve under TWO sh*tty libscum Presidents, Karter and Klinton, who P*SSED on the military.

I served with one of the Iranian hostages in 1986/87. He told us what THAT was like, thanks to Jimmy the Dhimmi.

We witness their daily attacks on our way of life through the DNC, ACLU, NAMBLA, Open Society Institute (Soros), and a constant flow of SH*T out of the mouths of the limo libs.

Sorry if I offend you but my hatred of liberals runs very deep. If I could round them up and ship them en masse to, say, the Antarctic, or use em for fertilizer, whichever comes first, I'd be a happy man.

Gunny
said:

"We've ALL seen them lie, cheat, steal, rob, rape, kill, etc, under Clintoon, i.e., Norman Hsu anyone?"

You have totally lost it. Have you checked your meds lately?

Infidel57
I was here in Iraq in 2003 when that story first came to light. We heard it reported from a number of sources including the press. After she was recovered and the her story backed up the story of the other survivors of the 509th Maint Co it pretty much died out from a military perspective. The press kept hammering it though.

I wasn't in Afganistan so I can't comment about the Tillman story as I only know what I've read. I'm not sure where all the stories came from although it would appear that some one in the middle of the food chain sought to minimize the role a friendly fire incident might have played in his death. If so, then that person needs to be prosecuted under the UCMJ for making false official statements.

I don't know if you really want to believe the worst possible scenario (the General lied) but I've been in situations where I was appointed the investigating officer or on a mishap board to look into a mishap where gear was destroyed but thankfully, no one was killed. There were things we found and reported that were good and bad. Some showed some command culpability in one aspect or another. Not once did those officers who appointed me try and downplay or distory my findings or facts. They accepted them as they were on face value including the most damning ones about their commands.

Might the President also support a recommendation that he has not seen because he believes the General gave a truthful account of what's actually going on over here, both good and bad? Don't forget, earlier this year, Gen Petreaus was unanimously appointed to his post by the Dem controlled Senate who ordered that he come back and report to them in Sep on progress on the ground. Doesn't it just seem a little disingenuous to tell him he's failed before he's really gotten started and then declare that everything he's going to report is a lie before he even reports it?

"Politics is not beanbag!"
"Politics is not beanbag!" George Soros is an Alexanderite; ergo, a male bred from boyhood by the myth and folklore of Alexander the Great. This is common among Russian - Greek - Albanian and much of mountain Muslim cultures. Remember the story in order to win the fair hand of Roxanne it was necessary to undo the Gordian Knot and myth has it Alexander smashed it with the sharpness of his blade. To a George Soros type thinker the Constitution of the United States is their Gordian Knot and they will stop at nothing to smash it and make the fortunes from chaos their own. I confess being of speculative Cassandra thinking on this matter but I am the son of this wonderful country and I want my children and their grandchildren to live with the freedoms sacrificed for and given to me.

TCA
I am in the CURRENT nation of Iraq.

horse
A horse walks into a bar , the bartender says "why the long face, Sen Kerry?

Not one comment
Reublican senator Sam Brownback and Democratic senator Joe Biden are working on a bipartisan bill that provides the three main sects in Iraq with self-determination in an attempt to provide long-term stability in the region.

Yet nowhere on these pages is there a comment or a column praising senators from opposing parties working together in search of a policy that goes beyond a military solution in Iraq.

This country needs more Brownbacks and Bidens and less Soros and Limbaughs.

Two Limbaugh's make one fat a--
And no brain...Since W has been in office he has summarily "fired" every General, Secretary of the Army or Cabinet member that questioned his use of Chalabi based "intel" to invade Iraq...

Can't imagine why a man who's only dream is to rule a post Saddam Iraq would fabricate intel??

General after General post retirement has come out and said this Admin. has screwed up from the moment they took charge of our Militrary.

Who but W would have so little regard for our troops than to submit a PAY CUT to Congress right after the invasion??? If it weren't for the Army Times and Marine Times writing scathing Editorials, W would not have pulled the cut out of his proposed budget!

Cut their pay, fabricate them into harms way, provide them 3rd world medical care in VA hospitals and this is the "right way to treat troops????"

You people truly are brain damaged...

CFUSMC
Thank God for the Marines..Gotta ask a question..I've been told (by several Marines) that if the Marines ever needed Air Support they'd rather have the Air Force do it than the Navy? Just wondering if that was true? There resposne was "There's nothing better than the sound of an A-10." I retired from the military
(6 years AD 20 years Res 1980-2006) Air Force.
It was my pleasure to work with the Marines on many occasions especially when the Marines brought out their F-18's from Cherry Point NC every other year. My hats off to you ya. Semper Fi

true crappin anus
You have any FACTS to rebut or merely ad hominem atatcks?

Good work GunnyG & CFUSMC
Not only fighting the terrorists abroad but also the insurgency at home. I love it! Thanks for your service to the greatest country on earth.

George Soros rode one of the tanks
SOROS would have been fifteen years old in 1945 when the Nazis were defeated and the Red Army took over Hungary. In partisan armies young teenage boys fought the Nazis so it is conceivable that Soros in his early teens took to the hills fighting with the underground. Post WW II Budapest was a contriving hostile environment as the various internal political forces jockeyed for control. One underground group was ARROWCROSS whose salute was "Heil Hitler - Heil Stalin". Offered police a nd security enforcement powers within the police state they eventually joined with the Red Army in the subjugation of the Hungarian People. The mystery of George Soros is the time period between 1945 and 1953 when the Hungarian people first took to the streets in a strike for freedom, democracy and liberty against the Russian occupying Red Army. The Russian Premier Khrushchev sealed the borders and ordered tanks into Budapest and many people were killed and enslaved with more Communist tyranny. George Soros rode one of the tanks!

Semper Fi
Gunny G and CFUSMC - thanks for keeping us safe and for your relentless attacks on the lefties. The only problem is you are confusing their feeeelllings with facts. They hate that, ya know, it runs counter to the DNC fact sheet.

BADGES
Ad Hominum Libo-Crats "Badges (truth) we don't need no stinking badges!"

To GunnyG
Well, I suppose I understand your anger. Hatred is not real healthy for you, however.

Thankfully we do have Smart Generals
Instead of our GOP politicians and Neo Con townhallers and Weekly Standard bearers...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070918/ap_on_go_ot/abizaid_iran_9

That's becasue these men realize rhetoric results in fatalities. A Soldiers last resort is War, a NeoCons first response is War...How about arming the NeoCons and letting the Soldiers go back to their family's...

Are the facts of the Ad wrong?
Although I agree that Moveon could have debated the issue in a more civil way, are the facts of the Ad wrong? The only criticism I hear is the tone of the ad, not the contents.

Here is a link to the ad. Please read it and debate the facts. What facts did Moveon.org get wrong?

General Petraeus or General Betray Us?
Cooking the books for the White House

http://pol.moveon.org/petraeus.html


TCA
Whether you choose to believe me or not, yes, there were foreign terrorists in Iraq in 2003 and yes, there are some here now too; Uzebeks, Chechens, Syrians, Saudis, Yemenis, Algerians, Iranians, Jordanians, Egyptians, Palestinians and even a couple Dutch. These have all been reported in the MSM although not very loudly.

As for WMD, there were a few MSM reports of findings and these were true. I can only speak of one 2003 incident that I have direct knowledge of. During OIF in Apr 2003 we had some issues with the water from the Euphrates River we were purifying to shower with as it had traces of Mustard Gas in it. I'm not at liberty for security reasons to stipulate further on this subject.

Thank you. We appreciate the cheerleaders as well as those who do decide to enlist as we all make a choice into what occupation we follow. I made my choice 22 years ago and I've never regretted it.


Gunny
asks "You have any FACTS to rebut or merely ad hominem atatcks?" after calling a person "true crapping anus".

Such class act our Gunny here. One must just admire the debating skills of conservative Christians.

For Kathryl
By spamming (I saw an absolute-ditto comment under Kathryn Jean Lopez's column), you have proven the point both of Limbaugh and Lopez!

Thank You GunnyG and CFUSMC
Thank both of you for protecting the likes of these libs. They aren't greatful to you, but the rest of us are.
GunnyG, Thank you for the blog. It is great, especially the one about the ACLU (Anti Christian Looney Union).
Keep up the good work, and come home safe. God Bless you.

As a Democrat-in-exile...
"With today's Democratic Party, we are witnessing the full-blown resurrection of the far antiwar left of 1972..."

I take issue with Limbaugh's use of the term "Democratic" Party. The modern Democrat Party has become autocratic. Traditional Democrats - like me - have had no voice in this Party for over two decades.

I'm stuck with providing the Karl Roves of this world a demographic surety of a vote cast for Republicans. Since I have no vote within my own Party, the only vote with which I am left... is a protest vote.

If JFK were still around, he'd probably feel the same way. I think I might know how Nelson Mandella must have felt. This article could have been titled, "Cry the Beloved Party".

P.S.
Anthony Thomas, Tuesday, September, 18, 2007 9:34 AM, proves my point...

Van
Your post at 0922 was complete and total BS.

My wife and I are Catholics and practiced BC before and then after we had kids. No beef from the church.

However, the LEFT, through the ACLU and foundations like the Tides and Arca want GOVERMENT FUNDED ABORTIONS ON DEMAND. Yeah, THAT I have a problem with.

My tax money going to some dirtbag bum on welfare is one thing but funding abortions for welfarites is something different.

While I think abortion is wrong, stats show that leftist leaning women use it more. Rock on. Soon you'll be extinct and we'll be better off as a nation.

Anthony Thomas: Waaaaa waaaa waaaaaaa!
Does widdle Anthony have his feewings hurt because the mean conservatives are criticizing his dark lord and master, George (Achtung!) Soros?

Boo Hoooo!

Kudos to Move On. Org.
for having the audacity to challenge Gen. Petreus and Pressident Bush on their Iraqi
PR and Propaganda show of last week all directed at decieving the american public with deception in a move to show they were "changing course" while ACTUALLY "staying the course".

Lets get something straight repubs/cons.
President Bush and General Petreaus are
government officials NOT tin horn dictators,
who cannot be questioned or criticized about the veracity of the propaganda they present to
the american public. You may disagree with
what Moveon.org has to say but you dont have the right to stop them from saying it.

Not only that the real question is why you insist that the democratic party disavow & disassociate itself from Moveon.org when there is no official affiliation between the two?
Is it that youre trying to score political points while diverting attention from President
Bush's failed Iraq policies?

Indeed Mr. Limbaugh and your ilk..ye protest too much..the pot calleth the kettle black..remember
ye swiftboaters character assasination of Sen. Kerry? what hypocrisy ye hath brought forth.

Sheepdog
You have me between a rock and a hard place! I like the A-10 for it's TOS and payload and it's a great platform. I wish we had it. BUT, we are part of the Department of the Navy...the men's department.

I was a FAC in a previous life (mid 90's) and I've worked with both. The Navy guys flew the 9-lines I gave them. The A-10 guys I eventually had to send home because they wouldn't listen and kept running in on Final Attack Headings that were 90 to 180 out from what I gave them. When you're using LGM's that will get you killed. Maybe they just had a bad day.

Moe
Thanks for reading the blog and your comment.

Econ 101 on another thread delivered the perfect post on liberals and why they are, like they are.
============================
Fringe Liberals Feel Useless

They offer the economy no useful goods or services for the most part. They feel they should be compensated for reading, learning, or being a perpetual student - in and of itself. How romantic.

This, my friends, breeds bitter and harsh feelings toward US Capitalism and free markets.

Thus fringe liberals are born out of a severe grievance toward those people who ‘progress’ the country – while those that call themselves “Progressives” sit around and throw rocks (for peace of course)

AWESOME.


Pokerguy
Good point and so true. Not sure what the answer is.

DailyKos + MoveOn.Org + Soros = Al Quida
Al Quida marches on Washington.
Al Quida marches on Washington.

Never too cold for smoking dope and oral sex under a tree!

Abbie – STEAL THIS BOOK – Hoffman is dead, Jerry – Yuppie Networking Program – is dead, Pig Pen and the Hog Farm are gone gone gone.

Most of the cast of Woodstock ended up in mental institutions, penal institutions, or prematurely dead.

Are these fakers having fun yet?

It’s tough to have fun with the AIDS virus jumping off of toilet seats.

Monday is the first day of the workweek – GET A JOB!


Mountain Rose
The libchildren get mad when we point out that the DNC is bought and paid for by their sugar daddy Georgie!

Check out the scoop in moveyourbowels.org!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297133,00.html

BTW, if anyone is interested, the liberals who created moveyourbowels.org live on 1141 Walnut Street in Bezerkely, according to: http://www.zabasearch.com

Just in case anyone was curious.

Isn't Al Gore's invention grand? Funny how the crap flows out of Bezerkely.

Toking
Oh! Excuse me James but I have a job studying Ivy League diddlysquat at you know where along the Charles. In fact I'm toking right now preparing for another oral exam once my professor comes down from the purple haze LSD trip.

My eyes, my eyes
Yeesh, Gunny, couldn't you have warned us about the picture accompanying that first link? Lefties always look like so happy in such a leftover from the '60s sort of way.

Mountain Rose
http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=1852

These folks are tracking how much Sorea** pays the liberals, trying to buy a Dhimmi POTUS.

GunnyG: Regarding the "flow" from
Bizerkly: Unfortunately, I live in Los Angeles, and all that cr@p flows downhill!!!

The Great Patriot
"The American people simply don't believe anything that comes from the administration about the war."

That may be true, but a more important question is why?
The answer is because the far left and the mainstream Democratic party has worked non-stop to create an environment of distrust.
Look at the facts! No matter what the administration has done, the left has been there blasting it all as lies!
When the President identified an issue and decided that there can be no military victory without political victory and set about to establish an effective gov't in Iraq, the left said he was full of it and that there can be no political victory without security. When the President authorized a surge to increase security, the left says that there can be no military victory until there is political progress.
Make no mistake about it - the mistrust for this government is entirely a product of hard work and planning from the left.
They call our President a liar over and over again and the people start believing it.
Just like every other lie the left perpetrates.
For instance, most people think that Bush made embryonic stem cell testing illegal. He did no such thing, instead limiting federal funding for that sort of project. The left hammered on him, saying he was single handedly holding up progress. It turned out that adult stem cell testing and private funding are both legal and extremely effective - more so than embryonic stem cell work.
Typical leftist tactics have become to create a McCarthy like witch hunt over every little thing in an effort to directly influence the American people to distrust the government and create an atmosphere of anger and confusion.
So please, spare me your nonsensical conclusions. If the left was invested in the victory against terror, the stabilization of Iraq, and the interests of American security instead of defeat and amnesty for criminal illegal aliens, we'd be in a much better place right now.

It has always ...
amazed me who really has the money. There is this vocal noise making machine that is purportedly anti-money; but in reality the money is largely in the hands of liberals.
Do teachers really want justice? Ask them to define the term.
Does George Soros want justice?

Perverted, greedy, scared to death of their fellow man and afraid of the truth. That is liberalism. It will surprise them to see a replay here of China and Russia and Cuba. I would be surprised if it didn't turn out that way.

The Great Patriot pt 2
And tell me, do you honestly believe that if Shrillary and Obama are elected that mistrust will STOP?
Of course it wont. It will continue and the chickens will come home to roost.
The President has terrible approval numbers. I know this only because the left has been so fond of spitting that information out every day.
Then something wonderful happened.
The Defeatocrammunists took over Congress. And they hold the honor of having the lowest approval rating of any Congress in the history of polling.
Congratulations, leftist komrades. You've managed to make Americans completely distrust ALL government.
The problem with Bush is that he is too nice. LBJ, Roosevelt, Nixon, Reagan... ALL of them would have turned around the attack and directed it back at the most corrupt congress in history.

Thanks for the link GunnyG
I think the deeper people dig, the more they will discover that the Left is in the business of siphoning off government funds from all kinds of publically funded social programs.

Ever notice that when the Left want money, they trot out the babies that survived being aborted to make us feel guilty and open our wallets? Ever notice that no matter how much America gives, the Left pretends like it isn't enough? Where is all that money going? Funding Leftie pet projects, you can be sure!

Anthony Thomas writes:
"What do you consider a traditional democrat?"

A quick lesson in history, young man.

Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, John F. Kennedy, and Hubert Humphrey were traditional Democrats. Bill Clinton, and John Kerry were NOT traditional Democrats. If you want something more radical than Clinton and Kerry, you're not a Democrat; you're a socialist... or worse.

More suspicions about Soros
Who do you think is funding the push for Stem Cell research?

Take a look at what an old geezer Soros has become. I suspect that he is longing for the fountain of youth, even if it means resorting to child sacrifice to accomplish it.

If Soros can create a system where he gets to live forever, he can last long enough to see the Socialist Dictatorship he is planning to set up.

Unless we act and push back against his machinations.

Keepin it real
>George Soros would love
nothing better than the turn the Republic of the United States into a socialist/fascist, maybe even communist country whereupon he would elect himself dictator <

It's one thing to criticize Soros and MoveOn.org for a tasteless and repugnant ad in the NYT. It's quite another to ignore that Soros contributed greatly to freedom movements in Poland, Georgia and other Eastern European nations.
I suggest a review of Soros' philanthropy and support of freedom movements is in order fot those who slander him in the same fashion they criticize those who do the same to Petraeus.

I don't trust or believe
democrats any more. That is because they have made so many ad hominen attacks, called names, smeared and ridiculed from the very first day of the Bush presidency. With such a hysterical over the top defamation of every single person and action in the Bush administration, it is no longer possible to discern what is just show and display from real ideas and facts. Tactics of children.

By the way, swiftboating is when real facts are displayed to counter false ones. Legitimate heros of the Vietnam War (one even a prisonner for a number of years)spoke out and were not refuted but called names and liars. This is what we do to legitimate American heros.

Military Retirement?
Does anyone think that if any of the current Democrat candidates, but especially Clinton, become president there will be massive retirement at the upper levels of the military from those who don't want to serve under them?

Left Angle
and others like you give a hooray for the ad describing it as the courage to speak up to Pres. Bush and the general. What kind of courage do you endorse? That was merely an assassination attempt. The level of discourse and dialogue is in the sewer.

Joltin' John Kerry
Meet the Press Jan 30, 2005:

MR. RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?

SEN. KERRY: Yes, I will.

Joltin' John still hasn't signed it.

Soros - for the naive
How many currencies has George Soros plundered in the name of profit? The only freedom George Soros has ever supported are those that suited his investment interests or his pursuit of "One World Order", i.e., only when he is on the right side of the trade. He's a champion of the downtrodden just like Che.

EscapedFromNY
Your failure to even attempt a post with even a hint of objectivity belies a dishonesty that most sane people would simply ignore.

Soros and Che have no more in common than Bush and Mussolini.

RE: lilly, 'decorated war hero', part 1
Juat a little history lesson for those who stupidly believe that Kerry is a 'decorated war hero'.

John Kerry joined the Navy only after he was on the verge of being drafted. He attempted to get a deferment, but was denied. At the time, those who were on the verge of being drafted would join the Navy because that had the lowest likelyhood of seeing combat since the North Vietnamese didn't even have a Navy (on the other hand, National Guard pilots -- of which Bush was one -- were statistically the MOST likely to see combat). Once ensconced in the Navy, Kerry went directly for swiftboat service. The swiftboat charter at the time was to patrol waters 500 to 1000 miles from the nearest gun shot, and Kerry knew this.

Unfortunately for Kerry, the mandate for the swiftboats changed, and he was sent inland.

Of his 3 Purple Hearts, according to military records that have been released (Kerry, unlike Bush, has yet to release all of his records), it can be confirmed that at least 2 were as a result of actions Kerry, not the Vietnamese enemies, took, with one being awarded for a tiny sliver from a grenade Kerry himself shot from his own grenade launcher that a doctor removed with a pair of tweezers.

RE: lilly, 'decorated war hero', part 2
Upon receiving his 3rd Purple Heart, he immediately filed to flee Vietnam (contrast that with the lefty boogyman, Colonel Oliver North, who refused to accept **2** of the 4 Purple Hearts he earned because he didn't want to abandon his brothers in arms).

Kerry was reassigned a stateside desk job for the remainder of his service. During that time, according to FBI records (who had him under surveillance because they suspected him of various illegal anti-war activities), Kerry traveled to France and illegally met with the leadership of the North Vietnamese to "negotiate" the unconditional surrender of the US military. This act is the DICTIONARY DEFINITION of high treason (only the president can authorize negotiations with enemy we are at war with), and, if convicted, Kerry could have been hanged from the neck until dead.

Not a lot is known about exactly what happened to Kerry after that, as those are part of the mounds of military records Kerry refuses to release. What IS known is that in 1979, Kerry had his discharge papers reissued. Please note that this reissuance occured following President Carter's executive order demanding all discharges from the Vietnam war be upgraded to "honorable" (except in the case of a "dishonorable" discharge). It is HIGHLY likely that Kerry, after his reprimand for his illegal activities with enemy leadership, was given a less than "honorable" (though likely not "dishonorable") discharge (there are 5 levels of military discharge: honorable, general (under honorable conditions), other than honorable, bad conduct, and dishonorable).

So much for "war hero".

lilly: Really?
I hear your outrage. Where was it when the privately-funded Swift Boat Veterans did their own character assassination job, calling a decorated war hero a liar who misrepresented his service and received the Purple Heart under false pretenses?

+Awards the Senator Kerry applied for himself w/o the approval of his immediate superiors. Then there's the matter of him LYING about US servicemen atrocities during the "Winter Soldier" congressional hearings.

Where was it when Ann Coulter said that Max Cleland lost three limbs in Vietnam while he was drinking?

+Max Cleland was injuried by a hand grenade that fell from his own web belt when exiting a helicopter. Being intoxicated at the time (he admitted to drinkintg beer prior to boarding the helo)- it detonated soon thereafter. Senator Cleland injured himself w/ his own hand grenade after drinking beer. What part of Ms. Coulter's statement was wrong?

Thank you for continuing to provide an example of the practical limitations of Affirmative-Action. I pity your former public school students...

beowulfe
I knew it was only a matter of time before someone set the record straight that Kerry never went to Viet Nam and his decoration were fake while GW actually did go or at least did everything in his power to go but was probably stopped by liberals who wanted to protect the enemy. And finally that somehow the military record of these two really matters.

“wanting to make a difference!”
Real Captain America and the rest of you Demo-Ditwits: while you are planning your next outrage against the War Against Terrorist in Iraq Eli Pariser will be getting afternoon head from some slow IQ heiress “wanting to make a difference!” and you won’t be getting any – SEE!

RE: MikeR
Who said Kerry never went? Who said Bush did?

Point in fact, were Bush to have volunteered for active duty in the Air Force as a pilot, he'd unlikely have ended up in Vietnam because his flight training was not completed until after we had begun bringing our troops home.

And it was John Kerry HIMSELF who claimed that their service records were meaningful. Or did you forget his "reporting for duty" idiocy, or his repeated attempts at keeping the debunked "Bush was AWOL" myth alive?

EscapedFromNY
Sorry.

I think that when Hitlary sold her soul to the commies in 1970, when she visited the USSR with Bubba, they hooked her up with a preservative!

That or her league with the Devil gives her new life! haha

HItlary's dream
CARACAS, Venezuela — President Hugo Chavez threatened on Monday to take over any private schools refusing to submit to the oversight of his socialist government, a move some Venezuelans fear will impose leftist ideology in the classroom.

I wonder if Jimmy the Dhimmi has been point man for the libs on kissing Castro and Chavez booty for a reason?

jeffislouie & loco
jeffislouie:

I strongly suspect that the reason President Bush's approval ratings are so low has to do with the RESULTS OF HIS POLICIES AND GOVERNANCE.
Why is it that republicans alwasy blame someonce else for THEIR self generated problems? After all
dude Bush and the repub congress had 6 full years
of controlling the u.S. govt and still they came up empty. Blame yourselves, not the democrats and the press.

loco:

the whole fake outrage to Moveon.Org ad by repubs/cons is nothing more than a diversion
because you dont want to talk about Prez Bush's
failed policies in Iraq. There is no official link between Moveon.org and the Democratic Party,
so why do you repubs/cons keep insisting that the dems disassosicate themselves from them.
Funny you rightwingers didnt complain about the
swiftboaters for justice and their character assasination on Sen. Kerry. Like I said before
Bush and Petreaus are government officials and they and their propaganda is a fair targets. They are not above criticism or questioning the veracity their propaganda, in spite of repub/con attempts to make them so.

Soros - for the naive part 2
What they have in common is that neither deserves the accolades of the Left for alleged good deeds. I must agree, however, that Bush and Mussolini have nothing in common at all. Factually speaking, Soros practices a particularly nasty perversion of capitalism that compels him to stick his nose and his billions into various economies where, regardless of what he does to the people, he stands to add to his personal bazillions. Russia, South America, Asia and Great Britain come to mind at various times. As a capitalist and a conservative who spent more than two decades on Wall Street, I loathe this man who longs to make the rules for thee, not he. If George Soros gets his way, you will see the likes of a dictator in action that will rival all of the "greats".

Bman1
What amazed me while researching this was that a few of them told a spouse or a friend, "I'm dead."

Quite obviously, that ME in Arkansas was no QUINCY!

But then, when you're bought and paid for, like we're seeing in the DNC ala Soros, you'll do as you're told.

RE: Pancho
To be fair, George Soros is truly one of the most vile persons on Earth.

Soros, originally Schwartz, is a Hungarian Jew whose family changed its name to avoid Nazi prosecution. Nothing dishonorable there at all. Unfortunately, Soros joined with the Nazis and aided them in stealing art and other treasures from the Jews. He has been quoted as saying that while he was running around stealing the wealth of his fellow Jews, he was having "the best times of his life."

He was convicted of insider trading in France in 2002, but because Soros was able to use his wealth to delay proceedings so long, he was exempt from any penalties.

In 1992, Soros was PERSONALLY responsible for the British Black Wednesday when he sold short $10 billion in British pounds. Soros is personally responsible for driving MILLIONS of British into poverty because of this.

In 1997, during the Asian financial crisis, Soros made billions by causing the devaluation of various Asian currencies. In Asia, he is known as "the crocodile" because of his monumental ability to consume all their wealth.

Soros is also a big proponent of drug legalization. This is mainly due to the fact that he is South and Central Americas biggest owner of drug lands. He is also suspected of being the personal money manager for South and Central America's biggest drug cartels, and that their leaders are big investors in his Quantum Group of Funds. Soros pays virtually no taxes on the proceeds from that hedge fund, as it is incorporated in tax-exempt Curacao.

Were Soros a Republican, Democrats would be INFURIATED at his activities. He is truly a VILE person.

Proves my point
> If George Soros gets his way, you will see the likes of a dictator in action that will rival all of the "greats".<

A statement based on loathing rather than any kind of basis in reality.

TO LEFT ANGLE.
MoveOn.org and has no official affiliation with the Democratic Party.

Did you really say that????!!!!

Hey Left Deluded Angle here's a little news.....

MOVEON.ORG OWNS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!!!!!!

How 'bout this news flash. Bet you missed this one. Here it is............

MOVEON.ORG SNAPS THEIR FINGERS AND THESE DEMS. ASK ONE THING. "HOW HIGH SHOULD WE JUMP?"

Next thing you know you'll be telling us that MoveOn.org isn't an political entity.











gunny
responding to lilly is a total waste of time. This brain dead drug influenced old hippie is incapable of discerning anything but what her dim masters give her as her talking points for every issue. But what can your expect from someone who lives off govt largess in the socialist state of mass. The only difference between her and other followers of the lib/socialist agenda is that she was a willing partner. She readily supports anything and everything that will underminbe this country. It was her type that actively supported the murderer kennedy and defends the fraud kerry. Now she rallies behind tyhe moveon crowd. I guess the real question is, is she mearly senile or has always been brain dead

Dear Left Dingleberry

Soros - for the naive part 3
You proved nothing other than the fact that you cannot refute the truth about Soros. I loathe and fear him because of his actions and the damage he has wreaked. It is all but a precursor to the havoc he would bring if the party he owns ends up in the White House. Btw, I don't mean the real Democrat party, I mean the radical one that is beholden to him. Beowulf kindly notes some specifics and I must agree that if Soros were a Republican, the Left would be infuriated.

wildwest
Bingo.

I'd be willing to bet that Lilly hasn't worked hard since Woodstock! HAHAHAAHHA!

bman
did you catch talisman's posting claiming john kerry won the congressional medal of honor and his "honorable" service was trashed by fellow vets. But like all dims he paraded his props when he claimed the vets he surrounded himself with proved his noble sacrifice. I guess that includes his self-induced purple heart from mis-firing a grenade launcher. But I guess any wound that can be treated with tweezers and a bandaid is noble and worthy to those on the lefty. It did bleed, i guess, so that must prove he sacrificed for his fellow socialists in mass. I wouldn't be surprised if lilly doesn't have that shred of metal enshrined on her mantel as proof of kerry's heroism

EscapedFromNY
Soros cannot go into Thailand again after almost bankrupting their currency in order to make a few million. He shorted their Baht and really socked it to them. SO much for the little people.

He has been convicted in France.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2594273.stm

He has messed with the Brit Pound.

http://www.forbes.com/finance/lists/10/2003/LIR.jhtml?passListId=10&passYear=2003&passListType=Person&uniqueId=L9II&datatype=Person

and he is a P.O.S.

anthony thomas
many on the right are not happy with president bush and have expressed thoughts that his lack of dealing with illegals are enough to start impeachment proceedings. But the dems are equally to blame. They championed two equally weak and out of contact with reality candidates. There is more than enough blame to be shared by all citizens

Gray Ghost
KUDOS to your Dad!

My Dad lost a lot of his hearing and had some bad nights from sub warfare i.e., depth charging etc. Never got a PH and would never have claimed one.

REAL warriors don't claim medals they don't rate and NEITHER do they throw them over a fence.

I'm still wondering why Hanoi John had to get Carter to upgrade his discharge if it was an Honorable.

Is there some higher grade of Discharge I'm unaware of? Like Super-Dooper Honorable or what?

SOROS
Check up Soros' (and Lantos') possible connection to Bela Kun Communist government in Hungary in 1919, which conducted a reign of terror. My information on it comes from Pulitzer Prize-winning John Tolands's biography of Hitler, but there are plenty of other sources as well. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Soros and/or Lantos had family connections among the 22 top members of Kun's apparatus. Evidence of this would do a lot to discreditt them.

wildwest
Jorge Bush is horrible.

Now he wants universal health care.


GunnyG
Your post on why you hate Liberals was preaching to the Choir :)!

Keep Your Head Down & Your Powder Dry!

Jeff
Shoot me the link and I'll run with that.

I'm the fugging KING of Open Source Intelligence gathering.

Indeed, I found the address and phone number of the mutts behind moveyourbowels.org!


T.C: Prove it, dude...
you said:

MOVEON.ORG OWNS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!!!!!!

How 'bout this news flash. Bet you missed this one. Here it is............

MOVEON.ORG SNAPS THEIR FINGERS AND THESE DEMS. ASK ONE THING. "HOW HIGH SHOULD WE JUMP?"

What you just stated is nothing but repeated RNC PROPAGANDA/OPINION..

you confuse propaganda/opinion with FACTS..


If there is some "official" affiliation between
moveon.org and the democratic party PROVE IT because imho:

moveon.org is no more an official affiliate of the democratic party than SWIFTBOATERS FOR JUSTICE IS a official affiliate of the Republican Party?

Gunny
Gosh, Gunny, I'm glad you're on our side. And the Left thinks people are in the military because they can't do anything else. Ssshh don't tell them. Disclaimer: my better half is a retired Navy chief.

I must say, however, that calling Soros a P.O.S. is truly an insult to Ps.O.S. everywhere.

Guns,Jeffslouie
Guns, you keep right on man...These people are just suffering greatly from all of your fact-finding.
JeffsLouie...Great posts...love it.

Mega Ditto's you guys!!!
MissAnn writes: Tuesday, September, 18, 2007 9:13 AM
Good work GunnyG & CFUSMC
Not only fighting the terrorists abroad but also the insurgency at home. I love it! Thanks for your service to the greatest country on earth.

Bman1 and GunnyG
Calm down. What GW wants in the way of universal health care is not even close to what the liberals want. He is attempting to take the issue away from HC and the left which is smart strategy.

It won't work though. HC has the HMO's in her back pocket and the HMO's control the medical industry.

Bman1
Saw it on Drudge.

Bush is a serious RINO and making a Thompson/Hunter/Tancredo/Petraeus ticket looking better and better.

In fact, I have the motto for Thompson/Petraeus

Fred and The General 08!
"Cause it'll kill the moonbats!"

I find it
amazing the amount of liberal posters that see nothing wrong at all with what was done to Petraeus.

What goes around comes around folks. You reap what you sow. If you gain the power you seek you will receive the same level of treatment that you gave. Then suddenly you will see liberals gain morals and cry foul, but it will be too late.

Public Image
Very few likely voters are politically involved or sophisticated, and so, for them, image is everything.

Right now, Democrats are the only politicians who seem to understand that, and they carry the day hands down on image. That explains why so many liberals are so shallow, intellectually.

Conservatives must wake up and pay more attention to public relations while still delivering substantive messages. If they don't, the nation is going to have a White House and Congress filled with liberals who want to turn this country into the world's weakest socialist state.

The conservatives must crank up their PR machine, and soon.

lilly
Every organization? Not hardly. Not even close. Maybe in your mind because you read those that agree with you.

You give new meaning to shopping for opinions.

You also either don't realize or don't care what will happen if you get what you seek. If that happens any liberal that cries 'humanitarism' is going to get slammed by me. I don't want hear about Darfur or any place else in the world.

BTW Darfur's genocide is being committed by Islam in case you haven't noticed.

Left Angle
From CBS, hardly a shill for the Republican party, a recent article quoting moveon's mouthpiece, Eli Pariser:

'Moveon.org, which sent an e-mail on December 9, 2004 referring to the Democratic Party, stating "Now it's our Party: we bought it, we own it, and we're going to take it back," took out a front-page ad in the New York Times accusing General Petraeus of betraying America.'

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_257171953.html

RE: Bill
It is that sentiment that gives Democrats an easy edge in every election. Simply put, Democrat policies sound cute on bumper stickers.

It takes more than 5 words to explain why, exactly, lower taxes are better than higher taxes, why the free market is better than government intervention, why fighting terrorists in the Middle East is better than waiting for them to stike us and clean up the mess afterwards.

On the other hand, Democrats plaster cars with meaningless slogans like "Together we can!" and "Power to the people!", and the average voter gets this warm, comfortable feeling without every having to actually ask what, EXACTLY, that means.

Compound that with the democratic machine holding a virtual monopoly on the mainstream media, allowing them to only tell their side of any story, and you have yourself a Republican Party that starts every election with 2 strikes and no balls with 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th while 7 runs down. Every election where Republicans are able to actually pull off a victory here in the 21st century is a virtual miracle, or a sign that the Democrat actually opened his mouth and articulated EXACTLY what his bumper sticker slogans mean.

Democrats CAN'T articulate exactly what their positions are because the VAST majority of the public are on the polar opposite end of the spectrum on virtually every individual position. So their obfuscate, divert, twist, and euphemize their positions to dupe the unwitting voter into believing that their policy positions are somethign they are not.

Left obtuse
You may have missed this.

In a December 9th e-mail signed by “Eli Pariser, Justin Ruben, and the whole MoveOn PAC team,” the Soros front group stated: “In the last year, grassroots contributors like us gave more than $300 million to the Kerry campaign and the DNC, and proved that the Party doesn't need corporate cash to be competitive. Now it's our Party: we bought it, we own it, and we're going to take it back.”




Yep
Democraps bought and paid for by moveon.moron

lolo2
About reaping what you sow - we'll see. If Hilary is elected President, anyone who writes an editorial or has an opinion piece critical of her will be labeled by the Dems/MSM (same thing, really) as a "Clinton-hater", and accused of rehashing old scandals and issues that really didn't amount to much in the first place.

After 7 years of pure vitriol and seething rage toward anything at all related to George Bush, anytime the left hears a word of sharp criticism, they turn the issue around and accuse the critic of hate-