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Tuesday, September 11, 2007
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
Has the Left No Shame?
by David Limbaugh
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Has the left no remaining ounce of shame? Its latest target: the commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, General David Petraeus, whom Senate Democrats unanimously confirmed.

Remember Democrats faulting President Bush for being inflexible, not following the advice of the generals and having no strategy in Iraq -- never mind that they've never had so much as a paper-napkin sketch of a clue as to what to do in Iraq or the War on Terror? Yet, when he took decisive action that can fairly be said to have addressed all of these criticisms, they reflexively opposed him again, proving once more their allegiance to party over nation.

He replaced Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and appointed Petreaus to implement a new strategy in Iraq, which Democrats tacitly approved in confirming him. But even before the "surge" was fully in place, Democrats declared it a failure.

Now that the surge's military successes are so manifest that even some recalcitrant Democrats have been forced to admit them, they are doing everything they can to obscure those successes and to force a reversal in strategy that would completely erase them.

Some still deny our military gains. Others -- exemplars of legislative excellence that they are -- say the gains are irrelevant because of the lack of political progress by the Iraqi parliament. They are demonstrating an astonishing amount of inflexibility themselves, not permitting the facts to interfere with their bias toward failure nor their partisan interests.

In advance of Petraeus's anticipated report, Democrats not only second-guessed his expected analysis but outright contradicted him, marshaling any and every retired general in sight to impeach his upcoming report. Just once, couldn't they err on the side of victory instead of willfully rejecting positive reports from those closest to the action and in the best position to know?

Democrats didn't just disagree with Petraeus's conclusions, which they hadn't yet seen, but they attacked him personally, both directly and through their surrogates on the far antiwar left, like MoveOn.org, which placed a full page ad in The New York Times calling this genuine America hero and patriot "General Betray Us."

Does that not make your blood boil? How can decent people come anywhere near this infernal group after such a disgraceful attack?

Then again, MoveOn is not that extreme by today's Democratic standards, not to mention a formidable funding source. More than a handful of Democrats in Congress brutally slammed Petraeus in the week preceding his testimony. More piled on as the hearings began.

Sen. John Kerry called the Iraq mission "disastrous." Sen. Ted Kennedy accused the administration, through Petraeus, of "playing for delay." Sen. Chuck Schumer said the violence in Anbar had decreased in spite of the surge, not because of it, and that American troops had failed to protect the "tribes." Too despicable for comment.

Sen. John Edwards mocked Bush's "so-called global war on terror" and said America is less safe than it was before the 2001 terrorist attacks. We can only hope that someone makes Edwards eat the words "so-called global war on terror."

Sen. Joe Biden, who voted to authorize the Iraq War resolution and who earlier advised against setting a specific timetable for withdrawal of our forces from Iraq is now demanding withdrawal. I'm sure Biden's faltering presidential campaign had nothing to do with his reversals.

Contrary to the weight of the available evidence, Biden said the administration's policy and the surge are failures and that "there is no security in Baghdad or Anbar province." In a shameless allusion to Vietnam, Biden said he believed "absolutely, positively, unequivocally" that if we didn't change course in Iraq, "helicopters would be evacuating Americans from the Green Zone in Baghdad within two years."

But accusing Bush and Petraeus of ongoing incompetence wasn't enough. Sen. Richard Durbin accused Petraeus of "carefully manipulating the statistics" in favor of the surge. Sen. Harry Reid essentially called Petraeus a liar. Rep. Nancy Pelosi called Petraeus's report "the Bush report," and Sen. Dianne Feinstein likewise challenged Petraeus's "independence."

Rep. Tom Lantos insulted Petraeus as the hearings began, implying that Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker were just political shills for the administration ("they are delivering a report for the White House") who "were sent here this morning to restore credibility to a discredited policy." Lantos added, "No amount of charts or statistics will improve (the administration's) credibility." And: "The surge has failed."

In his impressive testimony, the general blew these slanderers out of the water. He denied that generals cited by Democrats disagreed with his recommendations, gave an optimistic but modest assessment of the surge, and emphatically asserted his independence and authorship of the report, which "has not been cleared nor shared by anyone in the Pentagon, the White House or the congress until it was just handed out." It was a sight to behold.

To answer my opening question: No, the left truly seems to have lost all shame.

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how bourgeois
"Has the left no remaining ounce of shame?"

"Shame" is much too bourgeois a concept for the far left.

For a century the far left has followed faithfully the doctrine of Antonio Gramsci, who held that capitalism could be overthrown only when certain cultural ties holding a capitalist society were undercut and weakened.

This is why the left routinely engages in boorish and even antisocial behavior, from defacing public property with graffiti to making public nuisances of themselves at dignified events to spreading STDs as the "Yippies" did in the 1960s: It's all a political statement attacking the Establishment.

We already
know the Left wants to lose. They've changed their complaints about the war as each complaint was proven untrue. It won't be long before the lefties flock to this post with another one.

Incredible
It's beyond all understanding when one observes the actions of these democrats as they try to sabotage the war on terror and destroy our country. Don't they realize that if they sink our ship of freedom they'll be standing on the deck with the rest of us? They're either all insane, blithering idiots, or totally evil.

the left has no reason for shame
Shame stopped being part of the mix when Bush, Rice and Rumsfeld lied us into Iraq - followed by the stunning backup by Colin Powell.

Many of us trusted Powell. He seemed to be a man of integrity and his testimony convinced many of us that the apparent lies could not really be lies.

After a while, it became more obvious that Powell had built his career on carrying water for his superiors and helping to delay the expose of Mei Lai

Petraeus seems to be one more patriotic soldier who has let the mystique of the Pretender-in-Chief overwhelm his own good judgment.

When his testimony is contradicted by reports from the field, it is not an attack on his character, it is simply honest reporting.

His character is defined by his words and by reality. And we all know that reality has a liberal bias.

The left has no capacity for shame
For the police state liberals, the ends justify the means. They're smarter, better, ideologically more moral and therefore entitled to any tactic, including lies to substantiate their self-invented elitism.

The last time police state liberals touted "reports from the field," it turned out "the field" wasn't even in Iraq at the time. The left's apologia? 'Well, it was probably true.' Sound familiar?

We all know lies have a liberal bias.

useful idiots
Someone posted on a blog that the reason Soros is funding everything democratic including the failure of the war is that he is arranging for the fall of American commodities so he can make a financial killing the same way he did in Hungary and London and in Malaysia. So as he will claim his fourth? success, he will be laughing all the way to the bank for the Left useful idiots doing his bidding and leave them with a wreck of a country and they'll probably be too stupid to even recognize that, as they seem incapable of self reflection, and self knowledge.


The leftist cowards
I'm quite certain that for MoveOn and the left, Petraeus IS General Betray Us with the us meaning them. Why? Because he's shown himself not to be an incompetent Gen Clark and fall flat on his face. Rather he went to town and he's taking care of business - and the results show.

The left has put all their political chips on US defeat in Iraq and now they realize it's not a rigged game in their favor, as many of the elections here are. In fact, their ally Ben Laden recently chided them for not doing their part in creating a defeat.

Soon they'll be wondering what happened on the way to their surrender party.

Pot
calling kettle black.

Considering the history of Limbaugh Brothers, sin't it but ludicrous that David Limbaugh of all people claims that "liberals have no shame"?

The audacisty of liberals to disagree with Limbaugh and George Bush. How dare they? Let's all call them treasonous for daring to disagree in democracy. To voice a differing opinion than that of republican party or coservative elites?

And for daring to point out how many times Bush administration has lied to congress and American people. maybe Limbaugh should look somewhere else if he's talking about being shameless. A mirror would do fine.

Pilgrim/ALL
Check my blog (click on my handle) for the second part in a FIVE PART series on the ACLU and how they and their allies are working to bring down America.

Today's donor to the ACLU is also spotlighted...along with the leftists groups they donate to.

The more I dig, the more I find corruption, treason, and just plain SHAME emanating from the

LEFT!

Acetate
Check my blog for two articles on the left.

1. NEWLY declassified papers show that Joe Wilson is a LIAR. http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/g/f3b2a959-d6c5-473d-b5bd-8b84a79e2baa

2. How OBL united the Dhimmicrats with his latest video.
http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/g/a593f606-34d8-42cb-a080-1abecc8d98cc

A Sad Day For The Democrats
Say what you want about the war in Iraq, for or against. However, it is truly stomach-wrenching to watch a bunch of spineless politicians pander to their base by rebutting (too kind a word) General Petraeus' sworn testimony and his character BEFORE HE EVEN HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK.

This guy has a resume that by comparison to most of theirs, makes them fit to launder his underwear on their best day, and they dare attack him before even giving him the courtesy of starting his testimony. Testimony that, by the way, the laws that they had helped write required.

The best and brightest of our magnificent armed forces, who has been conducting these operations there for months, and the best these self-serving clowns can come up with is saying that in spite of his expertise and his boots on the ground experience here and elsewhere, he is wrong and a shill for the White House. Un believable - they are beneath contempt.

Then on CNN last night we hear, "Now for a dose of some reality about what is happening in Iraq" - presented by one of their correspondants. As if they know better than the General what is really happening from there, and endorsing the lefty pols by default.

Stomach turning. I can understand the passion of some on the left against the war. One of my best friends was outraged before it started and continues to be. We agree to disagree, but he is no hypocrite. But these cretins of politicians and their water carriers in the media...disgusting.

Left Has No Shame
No, the Left has no shame. The Left is simply destructive. It must be beaten badly in the elections to come so that America may live.

Duck
Just click on my handle (gunnyg)

Please, PASS on the links to friends. The Left is VERY WELL funded by the scummy 60's hippies and this, my friend, is a fight we gotta win.

for some...
... political advantage outweights ALL human consideration -- presumed innocence, respect for achievement, decent treatment, kindness, compassion. If these sort of people can gain through assasinating the characters of decent people, they will not think twice.

This is the humanitarianism of certain progressives: unjustifiable savagery against a few is okay, as long as the appropriate group profits.

Tallil2long
I hate to say it, but it sounds a bit like radical Islam's tenet of the ends justifying the means, no matter whether one has to lie, deceive, obfuscate, destroy - whatever - to achieve them.

Bob
Good point and right on the money. Liberals HAVE to lie in order to deceive the American people and have been doing it since the 60's, probably beyond. Kronkite lied about Tet for example, turning a victory into defeat. In Iraq, the New Republic was published supposed atrocities committed by GI's but was duped by some idiot writing lies.

And WHO can forget the NY Slimes greatest moment, Jayson Blair.

Indecent Behavior
Everytime I think I have reached the limit of disgust with elected Democrats and Republicans, they pull something like the Democrats did with General Petraeus yesterday. I think there must be some kind of monetary bet among them as to how low they can make their approval ratings sink.

For the most part, libs seem to be

SOCIOPATHS......

"a person, as a psychopathic personality, who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience."

Add that to El Rexbo's post, "They're either all insane, blithering idiots, or totally evil."

Or... ALL of the above!!!!







my thoughts
Rush yesterday ranted about picking on the general and now here is David. The whole thing is a simple diversion. What leader responsible for troops in wartime won't get some public flak and they should. Move on's advertisement was just that an advertisement. If the general can't take that he would not be where he is. Was it tasteful and respectful? No. Was it designed to push back and question the president hiding behind the general? Absolutely. Was it designed to hit back also at new "veterans" groups and "pro Iraq war" groups funded with $15 million from the president's backers? Yes. I mean just the mere fact that this regime had to go to commercial advertising and dummy groups proves a failed and weak president. When that happens the General should expect hard questioning and given the quality of Bush even derision. Petraeus handled himself carefully and well. But what was the purpose of the surge? Was that purpose achieved? No.

Now if this war is going to go on, we must rapidly expand the military by at least 100,000 troops and that will take a draft. We must gear the economy to military production and quickly. We must stop reducing military healthcare and other support services and greatly expand them. This regime's abuse of the military FAR exceeds any disrespect to a general. We should not and cannot keep grinding our troops down and not give them rest, training and reequipping. Cut the nonsense. Stop this diversion and if Congress and this regime want war then fight it properly instead of on the cheap while effectively disarming the military.

Remembering Colin Powell
"Once burned, twice shy." Once we knew a general officer of the United States Army whom we greatly respected as a man of integrity. When he spoke, we believed him. Later we learned he had been used by his bosses to spread their pernicious lies that led us, unnecessarily, into a war that has now killed nearly 4,000 of our young and maimed nearly 30,000 others, a war which threatens to go on for many more years, has drained our treasure unto future generations, and which has destroyed our international reputation. If General Colin Powell had had the integrity to speak his mind publicly, we might have been spared this war. When he did begin to speak, he was removed.

What we Americans have learned from our experience with General Powell is that a general may sometimes believe the integrity lies in doing the bidding of his commander, no matter what. We are impressed with General Petraeus---but we can't forget what happened to another general, and we absolutely 100% do not trust the man they both work(ed) for, George W Bush.

PS We also remember what happened to General Eric Shinseki, who DID speak his mind and was removed for his trouble. And he turned out to be right. Speaking truth to power is a bad career move for a man who works for Bush. We worry that General Petraeus may want not to get fired.

Move on.org
Why don't some of our excellent conservative investigative reporters dig into the backgrounds of the people behind this organization? They have got to have ties to anti American interests; probably foreign governments hostle to the U.S., affiliations with communist organizations etc.

Libs don't hold back when it comes to exposing scandal in the GOP, why can't some of the conservative journalists go for blood where these people are concerned? I am sick of their treason. They need to be exposed!

M Sederoff
I'm working on it. Click on my handle to check my blog on the SECOND part in the series on the ACLU. I am ALSO working on WHO IS PAYING THEIR BILLS! I just posted the second fund (of many) that support radical leftist causes.

libs have no shame ...


The liberals gave up shame a long time ago when they freely chose to embrace sexual perversion.

The libs have written the 'tolerance' laws so that nobody can even call sexually perverted acts a perversion because that is declared a 'hate crime'.

Liberals define thier very freedom by thier ability to engage in sexual perversion openly.

This is what is known today as being "progressive".

To Bob
You are angry that Democrats moved "before Petraeus had a chance to speak". Several Republicans on TV yesterday complained that Democrats have been "preparing" or "softening" "the battlefield" in anticipation of Petraeus' testimony. May I remind you that the White House has been "softening the battlefield" for at least the past month with a huge PR blitz intended to brainwash the American people that "the Surge is working" (have you not noticed all the TV commercials about wounded heroes and proud mothers?) . Every neutral non-military group that has evaluated the Surge says it's not working, but Bush has methodically discredited every group that fails to say what he wants it to say. Serious questions have been raised about the methods used to count the Iraqi dead. Data that fail to support Bush's side are discarded. This is why the phrase "cooking the books" has come up.

You might want to be careful of believing that any information in support of a sitting government is the truth, while any information criticizing it is a lie. This is not a healthful position for people in a free society to be in.

As for newspapers accepting ads paid for by a private party criticizing a major political figure, do you happen to remember the work of the Swift Boat Veterans?

Gangus-NeoKahn
"The liberals gave up shame a long time ago when they freely chose to embrace sexual perversion."

Why does it always come dopwn to sex with you folks? Is there some connection between fundie conservatives and obcession with sex?

Gangus-NeoKahn: I agree
A "Progressive" can be defined as some bloke who drops his pants, bends over and allows his mate in for a little a55 ripping every day....

Some how, liberals think this is equal to a man and a woman getting married and raising kids...

Are liberals smarter?
It looks like that scientists proved that conservatives are not as smart as liberals are: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070909/hl_afp/scienceneuroscience_070909173324

Paraphrasing the title of Mr. Limbaugh text, one can ask, “Has the Right No Think?”

Gangus-NeoKahn
Great post and spot on. It's anything goes for the Godless left. Look at how hard the ACLU works to take God out of American society. Even the USSR could not do that but the commies on the left HERE are giving it a try.

kfaideed: BINGO! LLAMF!

hak
I wonder if those were leftist-bias docs or just people tying to justify the grant money FROM a leftist organization.

The more I dig into the financing of the ACLU and then, into the "foundations" spreading the money around, I see that the leftists have their dirty little paws into everything.

hak
All that study proved is that libs make better chimps. And as you have just proven libs aren't smarter. Just as van has proven that libs are cowards and lilly has proven libs are liars.

Had you actually done any thinking you should have asked yourself how someone jumps from pushing an "M" or "W" on cue to level of intelligence. Only an idiot with an agenda makes that jump. Which says so much about the turds who fall in line and except that conclusion as gospel.

All this goes to show that as long as you "puke" up what a lib has decided is "fact" you're aces.

GunnyG
I see the Hsu is on the other foot. What will they do?

Sorry I couldn't resist.

Semper Fi

phylo
Did soros give you a reach around?

The despicable Petraeus ad
carried a dual message. It's first message was obvious - to discredit the General. It's second message was to Democratic candidates: Betray US and your picture will be on an ad like this one. Moveon claimed to "own the Democratic Party." I think they intend to prove it. Notice that none of the Dhimmirat candidates disavowed or condemned the ad.

The so-called facts in the ad came from op-eds written by Leftist pundits who quoted anonymous informants. So who is "cooking the books?" The lap dog Dhimmicrats ate it up. The 14% approval rating may drop below 10%. The phrase "how low can you go" applies to both Moveon.org and its surrogate Dhimmicratically congressed Congress.

Traitors
"Unwinnable war"

If its "unwinnable", its because 45% of this country are desperately hoping that we'll lose so their political fortures will rise. And if we do lose, they'll blame BUsh, pretend they had nothing to do with it and then do nothing when bad things happen to this country (a terrorist attack while a democrat is president- Bush's fault).

Many, many Democrats are despicable traitors to the country. So are many in the mainstream media. Its repulsive and depressing that I've come to loath so many of my fellow countryman, for wishing so hard for the US to lose.

Yes, I said it and mean it.

An Obvious "No"
Where is this rock you have been living under, Mr. Limbaugh, that you can even ask such a question? Of course the Left has no shame. When was the last time you even heard of any member of the Left showing any shame? To do so would be to admit that they have done or said something wrong, and the Left does not believe that it is ever wrong, about anything.

Don't be surprised when you see the Lefties acting like certifiable lunatics. Trying to square their lockstep, iron-fisted tactics and hatred of all opposing views with their constant calls for diversity and understanding is enough to drive anyone over the edge.

As an aside:
The Code Pinkos were hilarious. Fifty year old women dressed up like pinko Easter Bunnies and screaming like wet cats served to confirm once again that the phrase "Looney Left" is an accurate stereotype.

The Facts
For the record, it should be noted that the General's power point show - while colorful and pretty for the preznit's entertainment - left much out that is quite pertinent to the so-called "progress":

"A chart displayed by Army Gen. David Petraeus that purported to show the decline in sectarian violence in Baghdad between December and August made no effort to show that the ethnic character of many of the neighborhoods had changed in that same period from majority Sunni Muslim or mixed to majority Shiite Muslim.

Neither Petraeus nor U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker talked about the fact that since the troop surge began the pace by which Iraqis were abandoning their homes in search of safety had increased. They didn’t mention that 86 percent of Iraqis who’ve fled their homes said they’d been targeted because of their sect, according to the International Organization for Migration.

While Petraeus stressed that civilian casualties were down over the last five weeks, he drew no connection between that statement and a chart he displayed that showed that the number of attacks rose during at least one of those weeks.

Petraeus also didn’t highlight the fact that his charts showed that “ethno-sectarian” deaths in August, down from July, were still higher than in June, and he didn’t explain why the greatest drop in such deaths, which peaked in December, occurred between January and February, before the surge began.

And while both officials said that the Iraqi security forces were improving, neither talked about how those forces had been infiltrated by militias, though Petraeus acknowledged that during 2006 some Iraqi security forces had participated in the ethnic violence"

Matt, Esq.
"Many, many Democrats are despicable traitors to the country. So are many in the mainstream media. Its repulsive and depressing that I've come to loath so many of my fellow countryman, for wishing so hard for the US to lose. Yes, I said it and mean it. "

You, Matt, are the traitor simple. You should be encouraging rather than discouraging dialog. Loath away but those feelings should be strongest when you creep up on the mirror to shave in the morning.

Losers and cowards
I respect anyone's opinion who may be against the terror war and wanting to pull out of Iraq. I don't agree with the opinion, but I can respect the other side.

The problem I have with the Democrats in Congress is that they're cowards and have no integrity. They want America to lose the war and leave Iraq so they can return to ultimate power. Believe me when I say that is their only goal. If they weren't cowards, they could end the war in Iraq anytime by defunding it, but they lack the courage to do that. They want America to lose, but they want Bush to lose it.

David, in order to have shame you must have a conscience.

They celebrate as the ultimate cowards, and their proxy, (Moveon) prints a full-page ad insulting a true patriot and defender of America. Of course should a terrorist hold a knife to their throat, who do you think that they would call?

One only has to witness hard left loons i.e., Penn, Glover, Shehan, Moore hugging a Cuban and South American (Communist) Dictator to understand where their allegence lies. And one doesn't need any further definition of the crazy left.


Powell&Patreaus: 2 peas
It is no secret that if Patreaus were to speak out against the Iraq War - as so many Generals have - that Limbaugh himself would do as much as possible to help his brother in tarnishing the good soldier's reputation. After all, we have so much Limbaugh bluster to base this claim on, don't we?

For the record, General Patreaus is a soldier who serves this country, not leads it, okay? He works for the people of the United States and for his CIC. He is beholden to the US, not to political whim, AND YET he is doing the Bush Administration's dirty work - as Colin Powell once did so effectively in the lead up to this horrid war.

The Bushies, who are so reviled by the majority in this country and the world, know that they cannot push their agenda on their own repugnant steam, so they needed a glorified General to do their bidding. Enter the only such man willing to sell his soul for a medal and do the deed.

jdkchem
LOL!

Yeah, Hitlary is giving back the 850K ol Hsu bundled for her!

fsudenny
Shouldn't you be in a stall somewhere?

Phylo writes
"The right has lied about every aspect of this war and they want to say that the left has no shame? Amazing. Truly Amazing."



What truly amazes me is the fact that some politicians (and liberal posters) who know nothing of fighting a war think there smarter than people who have actually fought in one and have been trained to fight one. That's like saying i'm a better quaterback but I never played football.





Matt, Esq.
Great post on the leftist traitors.

Disregard Hal, he was talking in circles last night and had Lolo2 and I laughing.

BTW, swoop by my blog for the continuing saga of the scummy ACLU and WHO is funding them, and other radical leftist groups.

Yea--That's the story
Long before Petreaus even left Iraq to report on the succuss or weaknesses of the surge, the media was all over it proffering all kinds of positive spin on this report, Iraq progress, and predictably trashing any dissent or inquisitive curiosities. Ask yourselves-- where did all the info come from 'reporting' on what Petreaus was going to say. The people who recognize the manipulation of the WH who supplied all you 'pundits' with the "story line" are the realists and with good reason are skeptical of what Petraeus has to "report". Notice you have nothing to say about Mr. Crockers report which was reality based and accurate. Are you wingers really listening or just reacting to Brother Limbaugh's Bullsh*t.

YAWN
The question is did the surge accomplish its goal? The answer is NO it did not. This is beginning to sound like: yes to get WMD's, no wait, to free Iraqis, no wait, to bring democracy.... Sound familar?

With Liberals
it's all the same ol BS. Trash the messenger before the message even given.

Mr. Black Dog
Gunny, a mercenary with a vested interest in the war continuing, will only spew the extreme right wing talking points. His "version" of Vietnam is revisionist nonsense but used by a lot of ill informed vets.

Well,
There really is no single representative of the left just as there is none for the right. What can be said honestly is that some on the left have no shame just as some on the right have none either. I can agree that moveon acted shamefully just as I can say that should wait to hear what the general had to say before commenting. The rest is just hyperbole. Any discussion of shame should be the topic of his next family reunion.

OBL APOLOGIST
I was appauled at all the DUMBOCRATS coming up with excuses this weekend 0n the TUBE to OBL and why the NEWLY ELECTED DEMS which OBL helped get elected were not out of IRAQ yet. If this isnt enough to let you make a dicession on whos on the TERRORIST pay roll then I dont know what is. It was funny whating JFKERRY make excuses to OSAMA BIN LADEN on what has happened in CONGRESS.After SUNDAY watching you DEMS cower to OSAMA BIN LADENS TAPE I have come to conclusion that you DEMS are on the wrong side, and not the side of AMERICA. I will say that you have proven to AMERICA that politics is above the SECURITY OF THIS COUNTRY. YOU DEMS ARE TRAITORS abeting the enemey.

D. Limbaugh Has Zero Credibility
the unmitgated gall of far right wing conservative David Limbaush to proclaim in mock
outrage:

"Has the Left No Shame?"

This coming from a man whose hatred of everything
left, liberal or democrat is without peer.
Not only that he makes a very comfortable living denouncing, belittling and bashing everything they stand for. what nerve.

Limbaugh dems and repubs dont think alike. get over it.

Example
I was just on Ms. De Pasquale's thread regarding the 9/11 generation and there are 2 individuals that posted on there that are using today of all days to spout their utter hatred of this administration and for America in general.

So at least what passes for the left on TH the answer is no, they have no shame.

May the victims of 9/11 rest in peace.

answer to the question
no

answer to the question
mo

answer to the question
no

bs, van, pierce
What do you call it when the left is saying the same things as the terrorists? Why is it the left has insulted the military? Why does your party get the endorsement of the terrorists at election time? It doesn't seem to bother you in the slightest that the statements and actions of the left line up with the terrorists.

You guys seem to have forgotten this didn't start in 9/11, this has been decades in the making.

You guys have not offered one solution, to the repeated targeting of our combat patrols by Saddam, the corrupt oil for food program, the refusal to allow the inspectors in.

We know Saddam had WMD's in the 80's and 90's, I ask since he did have them where did they go. Did he just all of a sudden turn loveable teddy-bear and get rid of them?

What do you make of the statements by Iraqi Air Force General Georges Sada? "Prior to our coming the Iraqis made 57 flights to Syria under the guise of humanitarian relief because the Syrians had a dam burst.

I'm sure you would give Saddam the benefit of the doubt.

sfasu7392
But wait, I thought Hal knows everything??

You mean he's...GASP....full of shite???

Hal isn't who he says he is, I have serious doubts about his level of honesty on anything.

Depending on what day you catch him he's either:

A city cop
A retired colonel
A democratic genius
A Reagan advisor
A military genius
A historian

I wonder how they ever landed on the moon without him....

A question for repub/con victory types
Please explain exactly how your so called "victory" (whatever the heck that means) is going to stop another 9-11-01 type domestic
terrorist attack on the U.S. in the future?

sheepdog
I believe you nailed the Dhimmicrat Party and their myrmidons quite well. Including the non-hacking libsquitrs posting here.

What a silly question!
David Limbaugh, I'm surprised at you. You ask if the left has no shame. What a silly question! The answer is -- OF COURSE NOT!

The left hasn't had any shame since it circled the wagons around Bill Clinton ten years ago (some will argue that liberals lost their shame long before that, and I won't dispute that point). Liberals would sell their souls to the devil in exchange for political power. In some ways, they already have.

I had to laugh
at this column. The left having shame? What's that? Shame isn't in there vocabulary. What is totally hilarious is the postings that think it is democratic to undermine democracy!!!! Amazing!

I am out of sympathy for the stupid. The left deserves nothing more than our ridicule, scorn, and utter disgust. I am tired of their complete and utter stupidity and superiority complexes. If they can't win an argument they will lie and we wonder if they have no shame. Shame implies morality, and morality implies intelligence. They lack all of those things. I will no longer be tolerant of the intolerant.

honorable dissent
Those who dissent from this war, like the anti-Vietnam War radicals of the 1960s, are so self-righteous and arrogant that there is no limit to their tactics.

Back in the 1960s, they even engaged in political violence and terrorism--routinely.

Dissent has an obligation to keep the moral high ground over the "Establishment" they are dissenting from. Otherwise they may end up alienating the very people they try to reach.

The excesses of the antiwar Left in the 1960's and early 1970s helped wreck the Democratic Party's reputation with heartland "Red State" America for the next 40 years. The riots they caused at the 1968 Democratic National Convention were instrumental in electing the Republican, Nixon, that year.

And a spectacle like the "General Betray Us" ad or the screeching, screaming harridans of Code Pink in the Congressional meeting room yesterday is only going to turn off, not inspire, the vast majority of average Americans watching the spectacle on TV. General James Jones is a major critic of the Iraq War and the antiwar folks should have featured him rather than a bunch of screaming loony ladies.

My prediction is that Petraeus scored well with the American public, and Code Pink has only damaged the antiwar movement's cause. I'm waiting for new polls to see if my prediction turns out right.

A Bloomberg News commentator
a retired general, reported his surprise that the Democrats (and other antiwar Senators) gave their unequivocal rejection of General Petraeus' report before they heard it.

Why do they reveal their lack of integrity in such a manner? They could at least wait a couple of hourse to give the appearance of equanimity.

Mr Limbaugh expressed it well when he said that they put their party ahead of their country. But the Republicans who have also come out against Petraeus' strategy have put their careers ahead of their country.

Liberal mindset
I haven't had time to read the whole article or posts but while tracking liberal mindsets for years it becomes very clear to me that all the lies and misrepresentation that comes from them--(if you repeat a lie loud enough and often enough it will be believed as truth)--have become their M.O. With a willing accomplice in the media they are encourraged and it becomes even more outrageous. I honestly believe that they charge the White House with manipulation of the truth of the report now being given because that is what they would do if they were in the same situation. They can't believe that anyone would give an honest assessment without ulterior motives. BEWARE of any future with the Dems in control.

SFASU7392
When I posted different groups of "mercenaries" as Hal call them last night, you should have seen him backpedal. Lolo2 and Gray Ghost were having a field day with his circular logic.

For example, he was dogging "contractors" as mercenaries until I began to point out the "mercenaries" who sailed with the Yorktown to the Battle of Midway, where it was sunk. Or the "contractors" who fought at Wake with the Marines.

His reply was that "they" were different somehow.

The whole bottomline is that the leftists have very little military experience and thus, have zero credibility to judge ANYTHING going on.

Hal and the other zeros would be better off keeping track of their menstral cramps than worrying about what brave men and women do.

Bman1
yeah, with Hal and Robert around we have nothing to fear.

From Robert's statement, he wanted our president to go directly into harm's way?

What a tool...

I see
MoveOn.org gave out their marching orders today as more liberal posters than ever are spewing their venom.

A Nation Divided
A nation divided against itself cannot stand. The enemies of America must take great delight in reading all of your posts. If a country cannot come together in a time of war and press for victory, then the nation is doomed.


Gunny
Hal is completely full of it.

Whenever he starts his nonsense he always lets his slip show...

for M. Sederoff
M. Sederoff writes: "Why don't some of our excellent conservative investigative reporters dig into the backgrounds of the people behind this organization?"

They've done that, but there isn't all that much to dig out because Moveon.org makes no secret of their pacifism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoveOn.org

Their director, Eli Pariser, is a self-described pacifist who was even opposed to taking any military action against AL-QAEDA in the weeks after 9-11.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Pariser

Yes, they opposed military intervention in Afghanistan against al-Qaeda and the Taliban too. And needless to say, now they are cranking up a campaign to forestall U.S. military action against Iran.

http://tinyurl.com/2by9kj

Bman1
Thus confirming to us all that Robert is a legend in his own mind.

Old wisdom for the Clintons:
If the Hsu shits, wear it.

Off the farm
Predictably George Will, using all his God-given brain skill has analysed the info and concluded something(doesn't seem to matter what the substance) that has drifted from the party line, and BOOM he's suddenly, despite all his previous acclaim, now a liberal.See today's comments.

Wingers are a weird bunch and thankfully growing smaller as the reality is seeping in.

Anbar proves it, Petraeus alludes to it--All politics are local and that is the winning strategy for this tribal land mass.
When will wingers open their minds to the possibilities so the debate can include a winning strategy, or are they atrophied in one paralysed mind meld???

The Left
In the face of history, what would the left have done? You have the benefit of hindsight, based on the past and current actions of the left, you have chosen your side, with the terrorists, your statements say that much, you would kneel to before your enemy, he would just kill you last.

Most of leftist posters have the luxury of sitting back a maligning, and insulting the troops and General Petreaus. You haven't lifted a finger to defend America, thats fine, I would venture a guess that you haven't actually, in some tangible way supported one troop either, but even if their existence repulses you, you need them there, because they will do what you won't or are incapable of. Your lame statement of supporting the troops but we should lose, are just that.

Bush's Iraq War: Repub/con Albatross
As long as President Bush insist on "Staying the Course to Victory in Iraq" against the will of the vast majority of americans who oppose his Iraq war and his handling/prosecution of it, he and it will continue to be a albatross around the necks of republicans coming up for Congressional and Prez elections 2008. Continuing to support his failed policies in iraq is tantamount to political suicide for the republican party and they know it..they are becoming more impatient by the moment knowing a political drubbing is in the works for them.

If bush wont end this war by that time the american public will elect a democratic president and congress that WILL...thats a reality TH repubs/cons dont want to deal with.

for THRadio
THRadio writes: "A nation divided against itself cannot stand. The enemies of America must take great delight in reading all of your posts. If a country cannot come together in a time of war and press for victory, then the nation is doomed."

I agree with you 100%.
But America started out already bitterly divided on September 10, 2001.

Because President Bush had a unique problem: Not since 1876 had a Presidential election been mired in such controversy. The disastrous recount process resulted in half of America muttering that Bush might have "stolen the election" from Al Gore. The fact that Bush actually lost the popular vote to Gore (though he just squeaked by in the Electoral College) added to the bitterness.

That has been hanging over the War on Terror ever since--the Democrats' hatred of Bush for "stealing" the election and the Bush/Rove attempt to stick it back to them by using Bush's newfound popularity after 9-11 as a political tool to win more elections for the GOP.

I really think a lot would have been different if the 2000 election had been decisive, so there would have been no doubt as to the winner's legitimacy. I remember how disappointed Democrats were when Reagan won in 1980. But he won a landslide, no recounts needed, and they had to accept that the public had truly spoken. They never accepted that with Bush in 2000.


Hemi_Cuda
Robert redefines the meaning of Lenin's "useful idiot."

Karl Rove set the bar for no shame
Anything Moveon.org could do to call attention to General "Betray-us" pales in comparison to the neo-con slime machine. This is the new politics and guess who its architect is? I don't think most American's like it but it has been proven to work in getting voters to vote based on crap like this. The Democrats sat back in 2004 and let themselves be smeared by the swiftboaters. They aren't going to let that happen again.

Gunny
"Robert redefines the meaning of Lenin's "useful idiot."

I agree with the second part of that...

Whose side are the Dems on?
"May she always be right, but MY country, right or wrong" ...Stephen Decateur.

I love my country, the Democrats clearly don't.

suzerose
Are you brain dead? comment about George Will on that threaqd, and furthermore nobody is calling him a left winger, however if you had a brain cell you would know Petraeus completely and utterly refuted what he wrote. As a matter of fact he called the Washington Post and the New York Times out and out lies.

In A Word
NO, THEY DON'T! These Drug-Addled, Hippie Leftover, Liberal Cowards told General Petraeus in advance that they thought he was a Liar and his report was a sham! These are the same people who think Bill Clinton is a Paragon of Virtue. All they are interested in is promoting Hippie Values. You know, Lying. Cheating, Cowardice, Intoxication, Promiscuity and any other perversions they can come up with.


ALL
I'm currently watching Hanoi John Fonda Kerry query a REAL trooper in General Petreus.

I think Hanoi John lost the General when he started discussing his super-dooper ultra secret mission in Cambodia, authorized by President Nixon, when LBJ was actually the POTUS.

FUGGING LURCH. ANOTHER non-useful idiot

Hal Donohue
What is laughable, besides yourself, is that you continue to post dribble from the New York Crimes and call it fact. Your one of those that sucks up everything that fits your world view and never questions it. Then you have the complete audacity to wonder why we don't consider you intelligent.

How much is MoveOn.org and Huff Post paying you?

Oh Hal...
That has to be the flimsiest piece of crapola you've ever posted.

How many "families" did they poll?

What was their criteria for who they spoke to?

What other non-leading questions did they ask?

Do you really still believe the NYT has ANY credibility??

Do you like getting your butt kicked on TH? Want some mustard with that knuckle sandwich??

Bobzmcishl
You argue that this kind of politics didn't exist before Bush became president? You must be kidding! Where were you during the Clinton administration?

I'd like to talk to you. I have a great piece of beach property in Montana that you might be interested in buying...

GunnyG
"Lolo2 and Gray Ghost were having a field day with his circular logic."

Really LMAO that was you saying you were like a flying tiger wasn't it LMAO. Contractors have always been with the military but mercenary units have not. Mercenaries account for nearly half our Iraq force - they are not contractors.

"The whole bottomline is that the leftists have very little military experience and thus, have zero credibility to judge ANYTHING going on."

Yawn Batiste, Clark, Eaton shall I go one

"Hal and the other zeros would be better off keeping track of their menstral cramps than worrying about what brave men and women do."

Here you go again Gunny I think one of these days you really will come out of the closet or stall but in the mean time carry on LOL

Touj
You're kidding right?

I mean, you don't really believe that post of yours, do you??

What are your thoughts on the MoveOn/NYT stunt?

Do you think that gives the left a moral high ground?

Anthony Thomas
Do try and remember that even after Bush was sworn in that many many votes came back for Bush, after all the recounts mandated by law, thus giving him the popular vote as well. Even the New York Crimes had to admit it.

I know it doesn't fit your template and gives you bitterness because after all you just can't possibly be wrong. Look in the mirror and check yourself and your idealogy. America disagreed with you twice!

Football talk--with sheepdog
I'm with you sheepdog talking football talk might help the politicians to understand our war in Iraq. It is now halftime at their hometeams game, and they are loosing, we would like to see our team at least have the time to finish their game. The negative politicians would like to disgrace their teams coach, and say we can't win this game, pull our team out WE WANT THEM HOME.

Hemi_Cuda
"Do you really still believe the NYT has ANY credibility??"

Absolutely

"Do you like getting your butt kicked on TH?"

I find it interesting that you think I do

"Want some mustard with that knuckle sandwich??"

Is that a threat little guy?

GunnyG
The village idiot had the complete stupidity to put Clark up as someone who is the end all be all of military strategy and politics!

So if he is so smart why didn't he get elected president?

Lolo2
"Then you have the complete audacity to wonder why we don't consider you intelligent."

I don't care what you consider me I just say my piece

"How much is MoveOn.org and Huff Post paying you? "

I realise you find this difficult to believe but I gladly volunteer

Lolo2
Hal and the rest of them get paid either in pablum or kool-aid!

Bman1
Gee, one would think, that if you are going to make a complete fool out oneself day after day and betray your country, that at least one could get paid for it! Apparently he's not good enough.

Dick Morris is schilling for Giuliani so everything he writes is slanted toward him. He's not very good at hiding it either.

Oh Please Hal
The fact that you believe the NYT has any credibility shows your complete devotion to anything liberal without having an ounce of decency.

The fact that you can't see yourself getting your butt kicked (repeatedly) shows you are completely delusional.

And I would never threaten anyone, girly-boy...

Folks
Glancing through the above I see you missed me. thank you that was so nice of you.

Hal Donohue
Since you volunteer to be a village idiot then you are even dumber than I give you credit and a glutton for punishment.

Did you answer the concentration camp question yet?

I thought not.

The only REAL surprise...

is that ANYONE is surprised by the Lib/Dems reaction to Petraeus's report -- they started trashing it long before the general even had a chance to open his mouth!

Lolo2
Whenever Weasely Clark comes up in conversation, the Army folks call him the Perfumed Prince ala Hackworth! haha.

I was with a couple of folks at Fort Belvoir when I was a GS there. They said that when they were in the Balkans with Weasely, he would not do a THING that might endanger his next promotion! He grounded those Apaches so that there would not be any accidents that he might have to explain.

GunnyG
I think it is probably Kool Aid. Gotta have something to wash down all those drugs with don't ya know!

Missed You
Yes, we missed our favorite punching bag.

Anthony Thomas
I posted who admitted it and the articles have been posted here many times. Guess you don't know as much as you think you do. Perhaps you should use lexus-nexus.

Bman1
Nope! He is the village idiot. Touj can be dingle berry, since I think he tried to smoke a few of them.

Moveon showing the love
Clearly Moveon who by their own words, "owns the Democratic party", supports our "lying", "murdering", "raping", "stupid", "incompentent" troops. Can't you feel the love?

Hemi_Cuda
"And I would never threaten anyone, girly-boy..."

Somehow I suspected as much LMAO

More Libsquirt
Corruption.

http://demint.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Clips.Detail&Clip_ID=e08c6e7a-1321-0e36-ba58-b166d87577af&Month=9&Year=2007

Dianne "Gun Grabber" Feinstein earmarks FOUR BILLION US Dollars to preserve the views for her Beverly Hills donors.

YEOW! Drain that Swamp Red Nanny P-Lousy!

Hal
I wouldn't threaten anyone, girly-boys like you hide behind empty words.

I can't wait for your next little clever post though....

History will not be kind
to the democrats for their conduct during this time of war. Historians will sift through all the emotion to the facts. Clearly, the facts will reveal the worst kind of partisan politics endangering the safety of this country. Senators and congressment will be seen as partisan hacks, not statesmen. Can it ever be imagined that Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid or the worst of them all,Chuckie Shumer, will ever have books and articles writen about them as an example of great historical Statesmen?

Left has no shame
That hearing was a very important hearing as to this war,yet the dems allowed it to be turned into a circus by those pinko whatevers.Perhaps Hal and the rest of the libs in here were there in drag.

Mr. Black Dog
Exactly this is all a diversion from the facts that Al Q is thriving, Osama still walks among us and our military is tied down tight in Iraq.

The Black DORK
"it's no wonder that our greatest military victory in the last 60 years has been Granada!"

Guess you forgot that stunning 48hr ground war against the 4th largest army in the world, that had you libturds predicting huge casualties, that happened in 1991.

Thanks for proving my point nitwit.

loco
"Can it ever be imagined that Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid or the worst of them all,Chuckie Shumer, will ever have books and articles writen about them as an example of great historical Statesmen?"

Far more likely than anyone on the right. Speaking of history, I always wondered why everyone here hides behind a fake name. I know a lot of it is fear but after being here awhile I suspect an even larger emotion is embarrassment

Black Dog
I'll leave off the mister because your really more of an 'it'. Your another one that tries to pass off stereotype as fact, and learn to spell. It's one thing to have typos, and even some misspellings. but if your going to be so all knowledgable about countries in general you should know how to spell them or it leaves one to conclude that you are not all knowledgable.

GRENADA....GOT IT?

The village idiot
says al Qaidas thriving...LMAO! If they were the OBL wouldn't be putting out his graspig at straws video.

loco
Not to mention that when historians look back and see how closely the Dem rhetoric parallels terrorist like OBL. The dems will look pretty ugly.

Bman1
"Perfumed Prince" was Ret Colonel Hackworth's description of guys like Weasely Clark who would take NO chances that might screw up a promotion and would make NO decisions that might put their neck on the chopping block.

oh my
Does having no shame mean one will resort to the most juvenile name calling they can imagine? I would be ashamed if some of the comments coming from the more expressive bloggers on both the left and the right were ascribed to me. Seriously, if shame is lacking, what happened to tact, good manners and maturity?

Black Dog
One more thing, please take note, that so called greatest military victory(in your mind)was executed by Ronald Reagan...a Republican! If we had left Carter in there the hostages in Iran would have all died and those students in Grenada would still be held hostage.

Mr Black Dog
Please realise that the military works because it represents the whole country and all types of people. Please don't do the same thing the sillies like gunny (who admitted he was not a good NCO, et al do. We won the Cold war and the first Iraq war and I put to you this Iraq War but then the administration was incompetent and gave it up. The military is not at fault the bushies are

MikeR
Perhaps this isn't the place for you.

Lolo2
"says al Qaidas thriving...LMAO! If they were the OBL wouldn't be putting out his graspig at straws video."

Your own government says it and please note videos. It doesn't matter what he says the mere fact that he is shows how impotent and incompetent the Bush Regime is.

Notice
that the lefties here still have no answer as to why they are saying the same things as the terrorists, moveon.butthole and the rest have shown where they stand, "General Petreaus is a liar,Bush is a liar, Bush is like Hitler, the troops are stupid, like Nazis. See who they spit venom at, not at Al Qaeda, not the head-choppers, not any terrorist. This cannot be denied. The Democrats sound more like they are interested in advancing OBL's cause than at least hearing out General Petreaus, supporting the troops.

KC
Msgt USAF (Ret)
Proud to have served!

MikeR
Those things you mention get tossed as soon as the attacks begin.

People like Mr. Black Dog and Hal and others prove the columnist right.

I would've hoped that today everyone could've taken a day off from hammering each other, but sadly I was mistaken...

Hal Donohue
Okay village idiot since you are such an expert. I expect you to head to Tora Bora and get OBL. Please leave immediately. If you get him yourself I will take back everything said about you. Be sure and tell all of those Navy Seals what they did wrong as well.

POLMsgt
"The Democrats sound more like they are interested in advancing OBL's cause than at least hearing out General Petreaus, supporting the troops."

Supporting the troops my backside! If Bush supported the troops we would be mobilised, equiped, trained and rested. The only reason we have not been attacked is Bush is doing everything Osama wants. Why attack us. Get at least a light touch on realty Msgt


Lolo2
Most of our seals are not in Afghanistan unless that has changed very recently

Kucinich
And Kucinich just visited Syria and treats their leader with respect.

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Hal writes:
"It doesn't matter what he says the mere fact that he is shows how impotent and incompetent the Bush Regime is."

Same could be said for Clinton and his ineptitude at catching OBL when he was given ample opportunity.

Imagine if Clinton were more interested in getting terrorists then getting a BJ? Think 9/11 would've happened??

I guess we'll never know, huh??

WHEW!
Are the libscum passing out the kool-aid or WHAT?

Black Dork, Hal, and other libvermin, loosen your tinfoil hats, your brains have gone numb.

Gunny G "4th largest army in the world"?
Since when do mere numbers equate to excellence? A large 3rd world army against the combined might of the Western world? It was a "no contest" from day one.

Our current debacle is the same song, with fewer people. Our military did exactly what it was supposed to do. However, it was not designed to put down a popular rebellion/civil war (call it what you want).

The dead and maimed always look the same and I want no part of it, given the reasons touted by the Idiot in Chief. In addition, approximately 200,000,000 Americans tend to agree with me.

The people I've read supporting the war are on this site. And most of the postings appear to be from sociopathic murderers or wannabes who would cheerfully slaughter 2/3 of OUR country's population because they disagree.

A mercenary is a mercenary. If they are there for the money, they are mercenaries.


bman
if it weren't for the site posting your comments twice we would miss the great pleasure of reading them twice. Now think of that.

I think both sides ought to take a pill and think about what such drivel does to the site. People ought to be able share, exchange and confront views here.

addendum to comparison
As a "Great Victory", Iraq 1 and two are closer in quality comparison to Italy taking over Ethiopia prior to WWII. Same same grenada.

Way too many posts to follow
but of course, the Liberals have no shame. Shame is, like, so totally not cool, maaaaaan! (I left out the profanities but you can stick them in where you know they would go).

But I hold out hope. Even Rhett Butler came to his senses eventually, after all.

Bytheocean
Kucinich, the Angry Dwarf, also took the time out to film an anti-American commercial as well. What can you expect from 5' 4" of stacked SH*T!?


gmpierce
"Shame stopped being part of the mix when Bush, Rice and Rumsfeld lied us into Iraq - followed by the stunning backup by Colin Powell."

And where were you when Clinton bombed Iraq to throw the public off the Monica Lewinsky scandal?

Democrats live up to their "jackass" sym
Not one of the whiners and cry-babies on the left has any respect for those that keep this country safe, secure and prosperous. They think it's their own "super" intellect and worldly demeanor that is the glue holding this counrtry together. Not ONE of these snot-nosed weenies could earn an honest living if they were ALL somehow kicked out of Congress (oh what a wonderful thought!) tomorrow. The left-media isn't much better. Their negative rumor-mongering opinions have ruined the print media and are well on the way of screwing up the TV news also. As a member of the "hippie" generation that spawned these morons I can truthfully say this country will be better off when we're all gone.

layoff Hal, , ,
I get such joy and humor out of Hal's posts. I would be willing to drive to his rest home and mash up his fiber bar and banana's so this limy without teeth can keep posting.
So be kind to this man.
Say Hal did you ever get you American citizenship?
You said you served in a foreign military, figured it was the British armed service.
Thank you for your service.
I lived in England a couple of years, loved the people there.
they seem to have more fun with life, verses are work, work, and more more lifestyle.

Hal Donohue
Village idiot, is that all of the answer you have for me? When is your flight genius?

Blleding Heart Liberal
So we are all sociopaths and wannabe murders'? Who in the heck let you out of your cell? What is the basis for that statement? Because we disagree with you? And just what is your diagnosis for OBL and the radical jihadi's?

Oh please enlighten us.

Bleeding Heart Liberal writes
The dead and maimed always look the same and I want no part of it, given the reasons touted by the Idiot in Chief. In addition, approximately 200,000,000 Americans tend to agree with me.

Man that must be some good Sh!t your smoking..Can I try some? Dude you should lay off that stuff...It's deluding what brain cells you have left.

Man you should get on that show Last Comic Standing...You might get lucky and make it to the final round.

I love liberal postings..There always good for a laugh.



SFASU7392
Next bleeding heart liberal will espouse how the greatest generation were all sociopaths and murderers. Along with our Founding Fathers.

Can you say Howard Zinn?

Bman1
Yes, I agree. To call that comment insulting is to make light of it. But how doe we classify the use of “dingle berry”? While not particularly offensive, it’s hardly mature. For every comment like Black Dog’s, there is at least one equally reprehensible comment from a conservative. Consider the point raised by Limbaugh. He is certainly right in his accusations about the left, but he is either blind or naive when it comes to the behavior of some members of the right.

Lolo2: Perhaps you are right. If TH is just a joke and everyone else on the thread is just kidding around, then I don’t belong here. But, If TH is serious and we are truly debating important issues, then this is the place for me. I hold this country dear to my heart and have always considered TH the best site for commentary and political discourse available.

Hemi_Cuda: I know what you mean.

Bleeding Heart Liberal
What a stunning rebuttal to my facts!

Hey numbskull, maybe you can visit my blog and debate the facts behind the ACLU and the nasty little web of libturd financiers of it.

My personal favorite that I've come across so far is the Tides Foundation that launders money for radical leftist groups as well as DNC owner George Soros.

See ya there BHL IF you have the cods. (Which I doubt ANY libturd has.)

MikeR
TH is only a joke to the left. Not to the right. However I am thoroughly through with taking their bs and letting them slide. That kind of pacifism is what got them and this country where it is today. Perhaps if they were slapped and hard back in the 60's we wouldn't have half of the problems we have today. People like you embolden them because you let them get away with it. These lunastics would rather fight a war with their fellow countrymen than the war that needs fighting. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Democrats and defense
To those of us who try to take the long view, perhaps the most amazing thing is the Democrats' amazement as to why they are perpetually perceived as "weak on national defense." In this John Kerry was the perfect metaphor: After spending a career bashing the U.S. military or, as he would say, "campaigning for peace," Kerry tried to get people to believe he would be an effective commander-in-chief. If there is a bright spot in any of these cowpies the left is currently trying to pass of as French pastry, they are once again branding their party as opportunistic politicians who can never be trusted with the security of the nation. Here's a mental picture for you: Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama, or John Edwards at the hatch of Air Force One, returning the Marine's salute. The left always seems to forget that once the primaries are over, they still have to face the general election.

HAL D
It sure is funny how you LIBS state that BUSH is doing what OSAMS BIN LADEN wants when all I seen this weekend was DEM leaders apologising to OBL for not taking his TERRORIST BACKED DEM PARTY out of IRAQ by now. What did HANOI JOHN Finnin KERRY say to OBL, It aint that easy getting the votes we need. Do you mean to tell me that they are now taking their talking points from their FEARLESS LEADER OBL I wonder how long it will be before some DEM comes out and states that we need to let OBL have some down time because he is looking bad in that video. We all know that you BLEEDING HEART DEMS will come up with something for an excuse to LET OBL come to AMERICA for medical treatment or maybe he can hook up with Michael Moore because he knows where better treatment facilities are than in AMERICA.

MikeR
Let me ask you this:

"The people I've read supporting the war are on this site. And most of the postings appear to be from sociopathic murderers or wannabes who would cheerfully slaughter 2/3 of OUR country's population because they disagree."

This is a clip from a post by "Bleeding Heart Liberal", how should one debate this civily?

In other words, when an accusation is thrown out like this, what am I as a conservative supposed to say to intelligently rebut this utter nonsense?

My point is that this person doesn't WANT debate. Most of the liberal posters on TH don't want a discussion, they come here for a fight. I've tried to reach several of them on many occasions but like I said, it's the fight they're after.

There's no interest in seeng another point of view, there's no insight into their posts, they are mostly insults and nonsense.

So tell me, how should I debate being called a "wannabe" or Murderer"??

Van writes
"And for daring to point out how many times Bush administration has lied to congress and American people"

You know this is the same BU!!S!T you guys come up with every day. If you disagree fine but using the same argument day after day gets kind of old after awhile. Countless number of times we've asked you guys to come up some facts to prove your point but what do we hear "BUSH LIED"
If thats the case your only proving your ignorance.

GunnyG et. al.
hal's "pay" is a reach around from his favorite papi chulo soros.

And senor negro cobarde, Tet was a military disaster for the NVA. Their saving grace was television and Walter Cronkite letting sac-less turds feel good about raising the white flag.

BHL
BTW, we're trying to get to YOUR point of view but we just can't get out heads up our a**es that far!

For Help, dial 800-WAABABY!

MikeR
Just look at what that tool "true captain america" just posted.

He makes my point perfectly...

tca
"If it came to blows"???

Sounds like a bunch of tough talk from little puke....

You're a total hypocrite coward, and you know it.

Of Course we liberals have no shame!
To paraphrase Dubya, being a liberal is such hardwork, especially on a day like 9/11 which has become nothing but one liberal/Democrat bashing here at Townhall even more so than usual. Never mind that REPUBLICANS were in charge of all 3 branches of government on 9/11/2001. Never mind that Dubya decided to continue with his photo op with those cute kiddies in Florida anyhow, oblivious to the fact that America was attacked. Never mind that the REPUBLICAN government was totally impotent ON 9/11! So in honor of 9/11 I will go back to reading MY PET GOAT as all the conservative sheeple at Townhall just continue to round up all the usual liberal suspects just to continue scapegoating them. What else is new?

Liberalism isn't for wimps or the faint of heart, conservative sheeple.

Captain A-Hole
At least we wouldn't run and hide behind mama and daddy.

MikeR
Just keep looking at the liberal posts popping up. Anything in any of them lead you to believe they're here for anything but a fight?

Hemi_Cuda
You can't debate fools such as these. Their "points" and "jabs" are nothing more than useless garbage that don't serve any debate. They take away from the uefulness of dialog and bring it down to the schoolyard taunt level. While they are annoying, I find it easier simply to ignore them. In my opinion anyone who is thoughtful enough to engage in an editorial such as this knows that even if they disagree, they are not going to change any minds here. This is a conservative website, with conservative people posting comments. If they have any kind of common sense or decency they most of the time won't bother with comments such as those you see here. That's not to say that they don't, or shouldn't post, it's just that smart people who actually engage in editorials don't make comments such as the ones you are seeing here.

tca
So let me get this straight puss-boy, in order for me to have an opinion I have to be in Iraq?

Why don't you pack up your petrouli oil and your diapers and scurry back to Cuba where the other communist cowards are.

Your parents must be utterly ashamed to have anything to do with you, I don't blame them for never talking to you, it's not like you have anything to say anyway.

Oh OH
True Captain America and his Justice League of A**holes is on deck!

Pablum pukers UP!

haha. What a mutt.

Shawn
Well said, but I find it difficult not to reply to personal insults from people clearly not in control of their faculties.

I will take your advise and ignore these dolts today.

GOFER
"Not one of the whiners and cry-babies on the left has any respect for those that keep this country safe, secure and prosperous."

Who would that be? Let's see you extremists are destroying and disarming the military; you loath the working man, you loath diversity of any kind. Just who are you referring to? Oh I know the Haggert types the Christian Mullahs like Robertson, Dobson,,, am I correct?

"They think it's their own "super" intellect and worldly demeanor that is the glue holding this counrtry together. Not ONE of these snot-nosed weenies could earn an honest living if they were ALL somehow kicked out of Congress (oh what a wonderful thought!) tomorrow."

Most game from jobs and their intellect and worldly experience are their tools of the trade. Fire them if you can

"The left-media isn't much better. Their negative rumor-mongering opinions have ruined the print media and are well on the way of screwing up the TV news also. As a member of the "hippie" generation that spawned these morons I can truthfully say this country will be better off when we're all gone. "

LMAO speak for your hate filled self

true capitain pogue
"don't worry, if it came to blows over here between the libs and the conservatives the libs would win in a landslide. conservatives, as evident from the posters here, are unwilling to fight for what they believe in."

Been there, done that. If it comes to blows all we need to do is flush.


Captain Whatever
At least i'm not down in my parents basement living off my parents.

TCA
Since you seem to have alot of opinions on the War please post where you are currently serving.

hal
Have you been an idiot all of your life?

Hal Donohue
Village Idiot have you captured OBL yet?

Mike R and a Couple of Others
Yes, I've noticed a bit more emotion in the postings today.

For a little perspective, many of the conservative posters are current or former armed service members - surprise, surprise. On 9-11, of all days, put yourself in the shoes of Gunny G or any of a dozen or so other armed service posters. Turning on the news they hear a decorated, four star general in full service dress - the best of the best and a true American hero - being condescendingly raked over the coals by the likes of Joe Biden, Chuck Schumer, and Barbara Boxer. Much of the grandstanding and preening came before HE HAD THE CHANCE TO EVEN SPEAK. Although I would never presume to speak for my fellow TH conservatives, I suspect these posters believe as I do, that those hypocritical pols are not fit to polish General Petraeus' boots on their best day.

Then they come here for a little comaraderie from some like minded folks and maybe a little debate, and they read the same drivel over and over, day after day, about the incompetence of the military, how we were lied into war, how the Bushies are the evil ones. Meanwhile our real enemies, the terrorists, are given a total free pass by our friends on the left.

I think you might be able to understand how Gunny G and others of his ilk, on 9-11 of all days, might be a mite testy when they hear someone rant about how he hates Bush because he stole the election and he won't ever let it go, and the US is the source of all the world's troubles, yada, yada.

Keep reading, Mike, and check out Gunny G's blog for some interesting stuff you won't hear elsewhere.

BTW, thanks to all you vets and those in service now, on today of all days. It is an awful but neccessary reminder of what we face, and how you are the ones who stand on a line and say, "Not on my watch", on behalf of all of us. God bless you all and stay safe.

tca
You still wearing those jammies with the "S" on the front? How you and the Green Horny, oops, Hornet getting on?

The Ole Double-Standard
Our girly-boy Hal just loves the left-leaning MSM.

He thinks they are the smartest people around. Especially the NYT.

So tell me Hal, what did you think of that article in the NYT that told of the positive news coming out of Iraq?

MikeR
C'mon dude, where are you now?

You need to see this nonsense coming from tca. read his droppings and you tell me, what should any reasonable person's response be??

OBL, Hal or any other lib
If OBL name was under his quotes you could substitute any libs name on this board and the statements wouldn't look out of place.

Scary

"We did not find it difficult to deal with Bush and his administration, because it is similar to regimes in our countries - both types include many who are full of arrogance and greed."
Osama bin Laden

"Even as you enter the fourth year after the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush is still misleading and deluding you and hiding the real reason from you."
Osama bin Laden

"And he moved the tyranny and suppression of freedom to his own country, and they called it the Patriot Act under the disguise of fighting terrorism."
Osama bin Laden

Warren
Pelosi and Reid are getting cussed out because they didn't do what OBL said they should have accomplished, a U.S. loss in Iraq, conceding defeat to terrorists.


TCA
Duty, Honor, Country. You wouldn't understand!!! Just as well you would rather rot in jail, because you would be more useful there anyway than you would in the military.

It's Just
Sickening that today, of all days, morons like tca and Hal can't put down their liberal talking points handbook and have just one day of respect for those that were taken from us on 9/11 by islamic terrorists. One day to quit screeching about Bush and Iraq.

Just one lousy day for them to knock off their BS isn't too much to ask, is it?

Bob
Had a guy I knew die in the Pentagon on 9/11. Just a guy doing his job, with a wife and kisd at home.

Sacrifice, honor, courage, and commitment mean NOTHING to the LET since they don't KNOW of such things. I once again THANK GOD that my WW2 vet father instilled a love of the USA in ME and I, in turn, have instilled it in two future Devil Dogs!

BTW libscum, think of the majority of your ilk who are pacifists and the others who don't like guns. Then think about coming up against us Red Staters and our brothers and sisters in Blue States who were born with a gun in their hand!

It's gonna be a Turkey Shoot! haha.

tca
You cowardly boob. if we ever did get invaded (Never happen which is why you can make noises like a tough guy) you'd be the first one selling out your countrymen.

You know nothing about history, and less about honesty.

So feel free to rot in jail or your mom's basement or where ever, just go rot...

Hemi_Cuda
I'm not sure I would even give these guys the satisfaction of saying that they are getting these quotes straight out of the liberal talking points handbook. Their topics have strayed so much that if you challenged them I would bet that they cannot even recall what the article was that they are currently commenting on.

TCA
Like I said, you wouldn't understand.

SFASU7392
true crappy anus ALWAYS posts the S.O.S!

It never changes.

He slimes Korean War vets all the way to the current crop of warriors.

But should we blame him?

His vision is restricted due to the depth of which is head is up his A**!

TCA
"i did minor in history,though, at a little school that has made the news recently on the football field- Appalachian State University."

Sonny, I don't know WHO the h*ll taught you your history but my 12 y.o. son has a better grasp of American History and what it means to us than YOU WILL EVER HAVE.

Shawn
It wouldn't matter, the liberal tactic is to deflect away from the topic at hand anyway.

I had a brother-in-law that was a slobbering liberal. Organic food, hemp pants, the whole shebang.

Whenever we would get into it, and I would get him on the ropes, he'd say the most outlandish, vile things to pull me off of the topic at hand. I caught on the third time he tried it and just waited for him to finish before I continued to club him.

Once he saw that tactic go down the tubes he resorted to shouting me down at which point he was no longer welcome at any family functions. My sister wised-up eventually and left him. Last I heard he was busted selling pot to an undercover cop in Miami...

My point is that the topic doesn't matter, all that matters to these losers is that they get to spout their venom regardless if it's true or not.

TRUE AMERICAN PATSY
I can believe that you DEMOCRAPS dont like BUSH but you take your talking points from OSAMA is pretty Patriotic TO ME. I watch your BLEEDING HEART LIB CANDIDATES answering to OBL over the weekend on the DRIVE BY MEDIA channels and almost made me PUKE. How can you DEMS stand by and watch your own TERRORIST LEAD PARTY make excuses to the enemey, like HANOI JFKERRY said it is hard to be an AMERICAN and not have the votes to pull our DEM LEAD PARTY out of IRAQ.but we will keep on trying MR OSAMA. We want to get back to appeasing you so you want try to attack us again. WHAT A CROCK. I will say it and be proud to say it. YOU LIBS ARE COWARDS AND UNPATRIOTIC. explaining your actions to your party is bad enough but explaining your action and shortfalls to OBL is pathetic.

Hemi_Cuda
Good point. I went to school in Berkeley, so I know all about those hippie types; I can empathize. While I'm saddened to see these slander machines like moveon.org and others with lots of money and political leverage, I am comforted by the fact that liberals just can't seem to keep it all together. There is a reason that the UC Berkeley Republicans are the largest group on campus, it's not because there are more of them, but it's that the liberals are so fractured and going in every different direction that they could never establish a coherent base. My only hope is that those liberals from berkeley who couldn't keep it together infect every other liberal group like they did at the school. It gives me hope.

Hemi-Cuda, Gunny G
Hemi-Cuda Re: Your 1:56 post about why they couldn't knock off the "Bush lied, people died" drumbeat for one day - I had the same thought. Apparently not.

Gunny G: Sorry about your friend. It's a tough day for everyone (except the Ward Churchill's of the world). Luckily, no personal friends lost on 9-11, but a number of friends of friends. Here's to you and your two future Devil Dogs. On 9-11 it's a good feeling knowing it's guys like them that will be carrying the torch and the ones keeping us safe in the future.

Hemi_Cuda
Sorry, I’m supposed to be working and I try to read as many threads as possible. I know what you mean and agree, but captain America is no more volatile than Georgetwin. Also BHL was referring to yesterday’s comments by thebigmick who called for the killing of all who don’t vote the way he thinks they should. And he was applauded by some. Yes, there are reprehensible actions taken by some members of the left, but they are not alone. 9/11 or no, GunnyG takes pleasure in the pejorative and he’s mild compared to some others here.

tca
You're constant chirping about "standing up for your convictions" is a lie dude. You have no convictions so your little tough guy act is just that, an act.

Also your assertion that I'm not allowed to have an opinion unless I enlist is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Ever hear of the first amendment?

Sorry that your folks kicked your arse out, but not many 30 year olds still live at home anymore anyway.

Seriously dude, you are about as smart as a sack of hammers...

Hey Libturds
How come you losers didn't swing by my blog and try to debate how Joe Wilson LIED to the American Public?

http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/g/f3b2a959-d6c5-473d-b5bd-8b84a79e2baa

I guess you limp noodles didn't feel like questioning recently declassified CIA docs.

Poor libs, so stupid, so gullible. But when you stand for nothing, I guess you'll BEND OVER for everything, huh TCA?

My fellow Conservatives
Please read the link below. It will give you an idea of what we conservatives are up against. If any liberals want to read it be my guest.



http://hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html

MikeR
Sorry bro, what I've seen here today from the liberal side of the aisle is far more reprehensible than anything Gunny has posted.

Also, I could quote liberal posters all day for you. Tanabear said all neocons must be destroyed as he spouted his 9/11 truther nonsense.

You've got black dog blaming 9/11 on republicans instead of islamic terrorists.

They're here for a fight, not discussion. Don't you think?

Bob
"For a little perspective, many of the conservative posters are current or former armed service members - surprise, surprise."

Don't forget Robert and I

"On 9-11, of all days, put yourself in the shoes of Gunny G or any of a dozen or so other armed service posters. Turning on the news they hear a decorated, four star general in full service dress - the best of the best and a true American hero - being condescendingly raked over the coals by the likes of Joe Biden, Chuck Schumer, and Barbara Boxer."

He is a big boy. If he can't take that he shouldn't be there. He knows he is getting it because bushie is hiding behind him sigh

"Much of the grandstanding and preening came before HE HAD THE CHANCE TO EVEN SPEAK. Although I would never presume to speak for my fellow TH conservatives, I suspect these posters believe as I do, that those hypocritical pols are not fit to polish General Petraeus' boots on their best day."

I think it is wonderful and they should be asking tougher questions. If you notice, the general is being very careful and not talking about the military falling apart outside Iraq and Afghanistan

"Then they come here for a little comaraderie from some like minded folks and maybe a little debate, and they read the same drivel over and over, day after day, about the incompetence of the military, how we were lied into war, how the Bushies are the evil ones. Meanwhile our real enemies, the terrorists, are given a total free pass by our friends on the left."

That is their real complaint that meanwhile part the Bush Regime has and does give the terrorists a free pass. That is the problem Al Q grows stronger and the US military grows weaker

Lolo2
I've seen TCA asked that question quite a few times now and have as yet to see an answer. Also I think we should call Black Crap Dingle Berry since everybody is already calling him something else real close.

Bob
"I think you might be able to understand how Gunny G and others of his ilk, on 9-11 of all days, might be a mite testy when they hear someone rant about how he hates Bush because he stole the election and he won't ever let it go, and the US is the source of all the world's troubles, yada, yada."

Bush is incompetent and done serious damage to the country but their anger is that the surge failed. They are trying to redirect from that, The goal of the surge was? Was it achieved? No. Surge was failure. That is what they are trying desparately to hide

tca
Pure nonsense from complete tool.

The fact is that you're the pus. Easy to talk tough when you have no convictions. Like I said, you're a cowardly boob that would turn in his own people if we ever got invaded.

But since everyone knows this will never happen you can sit there like a tough guy and say you'd be the big bad "insurgent" and would shoot anyone that didn't become an insurgent.

No dude, you're a fraud and coward and everyone knows it.