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Friday, March 09, 2007
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Whose Fall Guy?
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The whole Scooter Libby case, from start to finish, has been based on the left's depraved obsession with substantiating the lie that President Bush and Vice President Cheney lied us into war.

Though I won't presume to substitute myself as a juror and will never downplay the actual commission of perjury, I have serious doubts that Mr. Libby lied -- as opposed to having an imperfect memory over matters not that critically important -- because he had no motive to lie. He had no motive because the administration had nothing to hide concerning its decision to attack Iraq and particularly the yellow cake uranium flap, despite the left's endless cacophony to the contrary.

The relevant facts in this unfortunate saga are not that complicated. Most Democrats, because of overwhelming public support for the war, were politically compelled to support the Iraq war resolution. But when the war became less popular and the Democrats' antiwar base demanded accountability for the Democrats' heresy, they manufactured the fiction that the administration lied about WMD.

Enter Joseph Wilson, who was willing to put some teeth into their false claims. Wilson corroborated the Democrats' claim that Bush lied in his 2003 State of the Union address in saying, "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." (Note that the Brits still stand by their statement.)

Wilson feigned outrage, saying he had investigated the claim himself in Niger and determined it was baseless. But the Senate Intelligence Committee and the British Butler Report both concluded that Wilson's findings did more to substantiate, than debunk, the Saddam-Niger connection. The Senate Intelligence committee also found that Wilson lied in saying he had discredited certain forged documents, since those very documents weren't discovered until eight months after his trip to Niger. Finally, the Committee contradicted Wilson's claim that Cheney, rather than his wife, recommended him for the trip.

Since the administration had not lied about Iraqi WMD -- as opposed to having properly relied on the best intelligence available to it (and Democrats) -- it had nothing to cover up, but it did have the right -- and duty -- to protect its reputation, especially since the Democrats' false characterizations were damaging America's image in the world, something they profess to exalt above all else.

If Cheney instructed Libby to disclose that Valerie Plame was Wilson's spouse, his motive wasn't to punish Wilson by exposing his wife's highly disputed covert status. It was to impeach Wilson's credibility.

But none of this mattered to Democrats, because it didn't fit their template that "Bush lied, people died."

From the beginning, Democrats have been trying to make this case into something they knew it was not: a smoking gun against the administration. At the outset of the prosecution, Sen. Harry Reid shamelessly said, "The Libby indictment provides a window into what this is really about: how the administration manufactured and manipulated intelligence in order to sell the war in Iraq and attempted to destroy those who dared to challenge its actions. As a result of its improper conduct, a cloud now hangs over this administration." (Reid and others said virtually the same thing after the verdict.)

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald also pushed the Democrats' conspiratorial lunacy, as evidenced by his bizarre and outrageously inflammatory statement to a D.C. jury in closing argument, "There is a cloud over the vice president." Sound familiar?

How could Fitzgerald possibly say that in good conscience, knowing and having known from the very beginning of the case, that Richard Armitage, not Libby, was the leaker and Armitage was no friend of the administration and even less supportive of the Iraq war?

Predictably, the liberal media has also made its best efforts to turn this trial into Bush's Watergate. Early on they were praying for and predicting that Rove would be indicted. And despite the unconscionably belated revelation that Libby was not the leaker, MSNBC reporter David Shuster stuck with the Democrat template, asking Libby, after the verdict, "Are you willing to go to jail to protect Vice President Cheney?"

Protect him from what? How many times can we repeat that Libby was neither charged nor convicted of leaking -- because he didn't do it? No matter. They just continue to push the theme that "the wrong guy was convicted."

Scooter Libby is the wrong guy, all right, but there is no right guy, because there was no administration misconduct here. Libby is also the fall guy, but not for Cheney, Rove or Bush. He's the left's sacrificial lamb, an expendable human being whose criminalization is necessary to perpetuate their abominable and politically self-serving myth that Bush, Cheney and Rove lied us into war.

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Royale - 9:00 AM post

Query: How is one both Conservative and Republican?

Just curious?

Fitzgerald a "solid republican"?!
Dr Zen says: "The Fire Fitzgerald campaign in the wingnut press is hilarious. He's your boy! A solid Republican, appointed by Ashcroft."

Fitzgerald did not register a political affiliation - there's no evidence he's a "solid Republican." If you're going to make nonsense up, probably best if you stick to one of the leftie websites where they'll accept such garbage with open arms.

One reason I should trust Georeg W.
A Commander in Chief that goes to war upon the advice of a bunch of idiotic Imperialists, who have never faced a flying bullet, while completely ignoring his own experienced father in and out of war, plus a score of Generals, with years of experience on the batlefields, does not deserve to be the trusted as Commander in Chief, period. I personally consider it as the greatest betrayal of the American people and also of the millions around the globe who respected America, but no more! Additionally, the truth about whether lies were used or not to go to war only adds insult to injury. For the record: I am a Staunch Conservative Christian Republican, in case some Conservative Commentator like this guy Limbaugh may wish to call me names.

New law firm

I think there will be a new law firm in town soon: Fitzgerald, Nifong and Kimberly.

Just think of the fun they would have bringing up all sorts of law suits that have no basis of facts. Just like that D.A. in Texas who prosecuted Tom Delay , they could just keep bringing up unsubstantiated evidence to the Grand Juries enough times to bring in an indictment.

This case stunk and is a shameful commentary on the American jurisprudence system.

Red Tooth
It was a wonderful breath of fresh air to come onto this site and find someone spouting truth.

Thank yo for what you do.

Write on,

tr@ce

Is the Bush Cultists learning?
Phil Byler writes,

"Bush stated in his State of the Union Address that according to British intelligence, Saddam was seeking to acquire yellow cakle uranium in Africa. That was a correct statement..." Yada, Yada, Yada

That's true but what you continue to ignore is that British intelligence is just a euphemism for the forged uranium documents. President Bush had already been told not to cite Iraq's attempt to procure uranium in his October speech in Cincinnati, but he did wish to include it in his State of the Union Speech. So how can you deliberately cite a falsehood and get away with it? Cite a foreign intelligence source that is based on the same forgery.

This is why once the IAEA debunked the uranium documents as forgeries the CIA said Bush's 16 words should have never been in the speech -- because British intelligence is just synonymous with the uranium forgeries. This was known at the time and explains why Colin Powell refused to cite Iraq's attempted procurement of uranium in his speech before the United Nations. The difference between Powell and Bush is that Bush was willing to lie and Powell wasn't -- well at least on this specific issue.

"Why do you continue to exalt Joe Wilson, the person that the Senate Intelliegence Committe determied to have been untruthful in his NY Times op-ed column?"

Can you read? I have not cited nor defended Joe Wilson. I cited the Iraqi Survey Group and the conclusions of the Robb-Silberman report regarding the matter. Christopher Hitchens is a partisan hack and didn't have access to the thousands of documents the ISG had, nor did he conduct extensive interviews with fore Ba'athist officials. He is just a Neocon stain in print.

"That premise has been proven to be full of poop because Republican Presidents have appointed supreme court justices that turned out (surprise!) to be left leaning, rather than right leaning."

Then blame Republicans and not the Left.

Bobbit writes "Every one of your Dimocrat leaders believed the same intelligence and many spoke about it – some even before Bush was elected. Why is it you libtards just can’t be honest about that?"

This is common mistake that many make. Republicans and Democrats don't have access to intelligence but intelligence reports; the NIE of 2002 was an intelligence report that summarized the conclusions of all 15 intelligence agencies. However, once we dig into the intelligence reports we discover the "raw" intelligence that supports it is totally worthless. Virtually all the "raw" intelligence that went into the NIE of Ocotber of 2002 was collapsing like a house of cards by March of 2003 -- the uranium forgeries, the aluminum tubes, the testimony of curveball, Iraq's suspected chemical weapon sites, everything. It was all going to hell faster than the Neocons in a sinking ship.

But it was too late since Bush had what he wanted: authority to wage war. Why didn't he call for another NIE or allow Congress to recast their since it was becoming apparent the case for war empty? Bush had to hurry and start a war before it all became obvious Iraq had no WMD, no nuclear weapon program, no unmanned aerial drones, and no biological weapon programs. If we waited a few more months the casus belli -- WMD -- would be gone and the Neocons could not have their war. Bush had to push it. And he did.

"Bush should have never reneged on the 16 words. As usual he was weak and spineless in the face of relentless Dimocrap attacks."

The CIA publicly said -- before any heard of Joe Wilson -- that those 16 words should not have been in the State of the Union Address. And why should they have? You cannot cite an obvious forgery as the truth.




David: it's not just the left
pro-war advocates want to pretend that only Democrats oppose the war and accuse the Bush administration of lying only because they changed their mind about supporting it as it got more unpopular.

Mr. Limbaugh, there were millions of **conservatives** who opposed this unconstitutional war from the start, and who pointed out four years ago all the lies which have now been exposed.

The left (be it the Bush Republicans or the Clinton Dems) can opine what they want; but true conservatives know this was was and still is unconstitutional. The liberal democrats have their lies, the imperial GOP has theirs. but mark well the **conservative** opposition based on the Founders, not on Bush - who was never a conservative but a "reformer."

Handy
Who you calling a "socialist"?
I musta missed something.

bruce
TV news, especially the MSM has SOMETHING to gain. Thats why they are putting the images on the air while the reporter's voice-over says stuff like "protesting President Bush" etc.

When the Prez is one of theirs the protests become "protests against American ____" fill in the blank... businesses, power, influence, etc. but NEVER the President. Too bad (not) that there haven't been alot of Dems in the oval office for a more detailed survey of the issue.

President's Screwups
Every President has a worthless screwup.
Clinton had Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders,
Bush has Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.
He will FAIL his duty to investigate Fitzgerald.

By prostituting his office for partisan politics, Fitzgerald has brought into question every case that has ever passed his desk.
Did he prosecute an innocent for political reasons?
Did he release a guilty man for partisan politics?

Every case Fitzgerald influenced should be retried with an honest prosecutor.

Protests
Does any one knows if the new media especiaaly TV is profitable. Are these new programs providing profits. Should shareholders bring this subject up at the annual stockholders meetings?

Protests part II
The Euros hate us because we saved them from the facists in World War II AND never let them forget it. We may have forgiven large chunksof debt but again we didn't let them forget.
Keep in mind when I say "we" it is the average American I am referring to. Us.

The majority of citizens in the developing countries around the world hate us just as much as the Euros but for different reasons. They want what we have and, their theory is they are just going to take it (those that can get here at least).

We refer to these nations as 'Third World Countries' and to everyone except us that is a slur. Our current Congress is trying to devise laws that would prevent US companies from helping these nations develope which is causing more animosity.

Based solely on the idea that these civilizations will have to burn fossil fuels and thereby contribute to Global Warming we are more than willing to tell entire countries what Al Gore and his friends are telling us right now. "We've got ours. You can't have any. Too bad for you."

Little wonder there are protests. Little wonder there are people who want to knock The King off the hill. Little wonder they won't shed a tear if we all died tomorrow. As Americans we cannot let that happen to each other, to ourselves.

protests
Regardless of who has been OUR President for the past two maybe three decades the protests have gone on...
people, these protests are ANTI-AMERICAN protests and it doesn't matter who the next President will be either....the protests will continue...
And trust me...it ain't the President they hate, he just puts a human face out there for the rest of us...it is you and me they hate.
Think about that before you continue bashing your fellow Americans.

Facts, Facts
Face it folks - in today's political environment, there is so single set of facts anymore. The guy at proteinwisdom supposdely has the ultimate facts on the libby case- no my friend, those are facts that you picked through your right wing lens. The same on the Huff post who report on the absolute facts through the left wing lens.

Left says there are protests greeting Bush in Brazil and show footage of people fighting security and pushing and shoving. Fox News reports that people were so eager to meet Bush a stampede and riots happened.
See, what I mean..

fitzgerald is such a jack***
we sure dont want him back in chgo. you can fu***** keep him in dc. he's won't play by the rules

tanabear et.al.
"When did YOU first hear Plame was a CIA agent/employee?"
AND
"Who did you hear it FROM?"

Answer honestly. Now think about the case against Libby.

I HONESTLY couldn't answer it with ANY CERTAINTY.


Left Angle
I know we're off topic here but are you nuts? i watched the entire trial and there is no way in the world OJ was innocent while he was in fact "not guilty" - two different things - he is a murderer. And anyway aren't you libs always runnign around crying about the death penalty because juries make mistakes and innocent people get executed? oh...then never happens when they are convicting a Republican does it?

clinton vs libby
Libs
let's see : I can't recall who I heard the name from first and can't remember what reporter I spoke to about it FIRST
VERSUS
I can't remember that I got a BJ from a young intern in the oval office on a number of occasions
ARE YOU PEOPLE FOR REAL TRYING TO COMPARE THESE TWO?
Not only did bj Clinton lie under oath he knowingly had Lewinsky sign a false affidavit for the court.
Not to mention his former NSC stealing classified documents from the national archives that were requested by the 9/11 commission, by sticking them in his socks and then hiding them outside until he could retrieve them later---and then purposely destroying them!!!
Do you know what this administration is guilty of? Letting Berger off the hook with a 2 month community service. Compare that to LIbby facing 30 years in prison.
And by the way you all need to be reminded--NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED AGAINST VALERIE PLAME OR ARMITAGE WOULD HAVE BEEN INDDICTED. DO YOU GET THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE WHITE HOUSE TALKED ABOUT HER IN PRIVATE OR TO THE PRESS. IT WAS NOT A CRIME. WILSON WAS LYING AND THEY HAD AN OBLIGATION TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

Lolo
To answer your question: yes after Clinton we apparently do hold Presidents to a lower standard.

JohnCitizen
You wrote: THE TALE OF TWO CASES
"Hmmmm... Clinton lied under oath about personal family matters and was impeached. Libby lied under oath about government matters and the rightwing screams FOUL!"

Again with the libdolt claptrap! Libby may have lied or he may have misremembered but the whole investigation should have stopped the minute Fitz found out it was Armitage or he should have prosecuted him if Plame was covert. That is why we have a problem with it. How you can compare a chump like Libby to the POTUS I just don't know.

And you are misrepresenting or misjudging the whole conservative reaction to the Clinton thing. It is not so much that Clinton got a hummer from the intern, though that would get you fired at your job if you have one - the problem, and again: I don't know why this so hard for libtards to get, the problem is that he lied under oath and subourned perjury! FELONIES - NOT PERSONAL FAMILY MATTERS! (and of course you now want to destroy Gingrich for having an affair while married so some more duplicity from the left) I mean, how hard is that to grasp for you guys? He was the Chief Executive - the number one lawman in the country - we can't have that folks. Because of Clinton now all of you libs go around lying all the time. Oh no wait...you always did that.

I won't even bring up the finger wagging denial he laid on all of us like an angry parent with his hand caught in the cookie jar. I mean c'mon, if he would have went before the public and told us she was a little hottie offering bj's and he couldnt help himself we would have all chuckled about it (except for Shillary) and while his rep would have been damaged - it wasn't that good in the first place. But that's not what he did. Look it up!

And I will tell you this: if anyone could ever conclusively prove that GWB lied us into war (no - screaming at the top of your lungs over and over that "Bush lied people died" does not count!) conservatives would call for his head and we wouldn't go out of our way to defend him as you all did with Willie. The problem here is you guys pizz us off by saying all of this cr@p about him when all of your libdolt leaders believed the same intelligence and often spoke about it before he was even in office. They still voted to approve the war but now they all want to skip that part and blame GWB for the whole thing because your anti-war wing is having a fit. You guys disgust me!

Red Tooth
Perhaps you should also read the Senate Intelligence Report Red Face. Like a typical lib first you scream for the bipartisan Senate committee to investigate and then you cherry-pick bits that fit your view and ignore those that don’t. They make numerous references to the WH asking the CIA for approval of language used in the SOTU regarding the yellowcake. In each instance they did not disapprove of the contention that Iraq sought yellowcake rather they suggested small changes that in no way impacted the meaning of the statement. They also make reference to the British assessment that Iraq was indeed trying to procure yellowcake and the fact that they were standing by it. They say in the report that it is a fact that the language of the NIE stated “Iraq has about 550 metric tons of yellowcake and low-enriched uranium and Tuwaitha, which is annually inspected by IAEA. Iraq also begun to vigorously trying to procure uranium ore and yellowcake; acquiring either would shorten the time Baghdad needs to produce nuclear weapons…CIA, DIA, and DOE analysts all said at the time the NIE was written, they agreed with the NIE assessment that Iraq was attempting to procure uranium from Africa. Some analysts said, in retrospect, the language should have been more qualified than it was, but they generally agreed with the text.”

Basically my conclusion would be that no one is really sure are they? Of course there is a huge difference between believing and repeating bad information and concocting and delivering false information. One is a lie and one is not. Do you as a libdolt know the difference? I think all of us will stipulate that the intelligence may have been faulty – but that is a far cry from manipulating evidence, pressuring agencies to lie, and lying to the American people. Every one of your Dimocrat leaders believed the same intelligence and many spoke about it – some even before Bush was elected. Why is it you libtards just can’t be honest about that?

And then it is clear you have little or no understanding of intelligence in the first place. Intelligence is not always something concrete that you can get your hands on and is often just rumor and innuendo – you know like Dimocrat speeches. Not much intelligence in them either. But British intelligence stands by their claim and because they won’t lay it out for all to see what they have you choose not to believe them. Again another typical liberal position: to distrust authority. Of course all you libs know better than they do. You will always side with the anti-Americans against your own leaders.

Bush should have never reneged on the 16 words. As usual he was weak and spineless in the face of relentless Dimocrap attacks. That is why Repubs got hurt in November because we struggle to vote for them when they are afraid to fight you lying smearing libiots.

The difference between conservatives and libdrools in the WOT is clear: even after 9/11 liberals would prefer to wait until a mushroom cloud shows up in Chicago courtesy of Johnny Jihad to have their concrete evidence to depose terrorist dictators (if even then) and conservatives after 9/11 do not want to give any benefit of the doubt to anyone and just sit back and get hit again. If there is an inkling of info that says you’re going to hit us you’re going down. I kinda like that approach. Another way to describe this difference can be found in a line I heard once about 9/11: “after 9/11 liberals ran out to buy the Koran so they could understand why they hate us and conservatives bought guns.” Pretty concise don’t you know?

You guys just keep worrying about the past, ‘cause that’s where you’re all living, and we’ll keep worrying about the future.

KIM
"to impeach Clinton for perjuring himself"

Finally a shred of truth from you...you admit he did perjure himself...I don't care what it was about!
Perjury and lying are two different things. Unless the lying is done under oath (ala Slick Willie) then its perjury and deserves jail time. Right?
If you don't agree Clinton should be doing time then you must want to sign the petition to pardon Libby. No?

"PATRIOTISM"
These liberal democrats, are they Americans??? Oh yes, there are a few republicans to throw in too.

I'd difinetly challange their Patriotism.

Why does Joe Lieberman hang in with those taitors/treasonists/deserters/unamerican slobs, etc., etc., etc.

These liberal demo's lie so much they don't know what the truth is. "DEMOLISH THE DEMO PARTY AND START OVER AGAIN.

Will we ever get back to respecting our Constitution?

Whatever happened to "God, Family and Country"??

Korean Vet. United States Marine Corp. Thank God that our Cammander and Chief was HIS appointee.

DM



Deep cuts on his hands ...
... claimed he cut it on a glass in his hotel room in Chicago. As I recall, the glove had a corresponding cut in the same location (but it's been a few years so I could be mistaken about the glove part).

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Simpson/Evidence.html

Outta here -- have a nice day.

SJR: I dont think OJ did it...
I really dont. My belief is that he was in the vicinity when it happened and was later framed.

From what i have heard, Ms. Simpson and her partner Faye Resnick were known "party girls" with a fondness for "nose candy" (cocaine) who had racked up huge debts to dealers which OJ usually took care of. But once he found her giving "head" to another dude, while he he cut is children were in the house he cut her off.

Word has it on the night of the double murder
the dealers threatened to kill Ms. Simpson if OJ didnt come up with the money. OJ got there too late and got the hell out of there. if you remember nearly $20,000 in cash was found in the Bronco. Also a man walking his dog in the neighborhood was never called to testify.
he said he heard several voices tussling and saw
at least three hispanic males jump in a car and leave the scene.

answer this. if oj committed such violent crime why didnt he have a scratch on his body?

Left
Yes, it is always easy to claim someone else's ideas as your own. Just as Joe Biden. Isn't it time you give mom back her keyboard? I think Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends is about to come on. Wouldn't wanna miss Bloo's latest adventures, would you?

SJR: Power of the Right, et al...
I think it's more an issue of volume than power. I think, because of the sheer volume of nonsense they throw at the wall, the law of averages dictates that a certain amount of it is going to stick.

see how easy that is...lol

To Jetpilot
Amen brother.

Left -
I don't rule out the possiblity that the jury was stupid, or that they operated out of some bias, either in favor of OJ (who I was enormously supportive of before the evidence pretty clearly pointed toward his guilt) or a bias against Mark Fuhrman because of the smoke screen Johnny Cochran threw up. I was mixed about the whole OJ thing. A part of me thought it was a travesty that he got away with killing two people violently. Also I was saddened that someone who I regarded so highly could do the unthinkable. OJ was a hero (granted one of the football variety) to many of us. Sure, it was his performance on the field but it was also his general image. He always seemed like just a really decent, funny, talented guy. We tend to internalize out heroes and make more of them than they are.

Power of the left
I think it's more an issue of volume than power. I think, because of the sheer volume of nonsense they throw at the wall, the law of averages dictates that a certain amount of it is going to stick.

existentialist/ sjr: a response
on oj and blacks cheering the verdict you stated:

"Such is the common belief of those who cheered."

No that was the opinion of the black man you were talking to. the opinion of the many black people I was around with at the time was that
OJ was innocent and probably framed.
I remember two very distinct reactions to the verdict: blacks cheered and whites jeered.

SJR: so the jury was stupid, eh?

ds smith: Yes, the Left is all powerful
to be able to do the things the right accuses us of...rather amazing how we pull it off dont you think? lol

oops
"just = jury" sorry for the typo. Of course, some people probably believe "jury" is spelled J-U-S-T so maybe it wasn't a mistake afterall

"Sun revolves around the Earth"
"Galileo wrong, says just of his peers". Wife sends Joe Wilson to Sun to debunk dangerous theory.

Left
He wasn't guilty. He didn't do it. The blood in his Bronco, the bloody trail from his car into his house, the blood drops on his floor, the clothes in his washing maching, the glove. It was all planted. Probably by Mark Fuhrman and quite possibly under orders from Dick Cheney or Karl Rove. It is fortunate for the sake of Justice that the jury saw through it all.

Left Angle - Don't you know
The left is all powerful to "stage" the Libby conviction. Ofcourse I knew the left was very powerful when many conservatives convinced me how all the leading news papers, TV outlets (Except fox news ofcourse), writers of all stripes, magazines get together on each story in some magical way to conspire against them (conservatives) and the Bush admininstration and lean left.

Remarkable - the MSM which consists of many thousands of entities magically get together on every story, every day and determine they need to take the conservatives down.

Science is so remarkable

sjr: the point is...
not everyone thinks oj was guilty.

Left : re: OJ
Blacks cheered, whites jeered. Ok, I know you are trying to make a point there. The jury is still out on what that point is.

Headline: Salem safe from witches
AP: Salem, Mass - Authorities have saved the town of Salem from certain calamity after several local women had been convicted of witchcraft by a jury of their peers. All of the women were immediately burned at the stake, thus preventing a grave threat to national security.

SJR: this just out on OJ
when the verdict was announced:

blacks cheered while whites jeered.

Jeffislouie: A question for you
you stated:

"The Left makes liars out of themselves and staged this nonsensical conviction to embarrass the President. They are looking for a way to come out clean"

Can you please provide a detailed account of how the left "staged" this conviction
and forced the jury to vote guilty on 4 of 5 counts?

This just in ... OJ is innocent
ok, maybe the jury made the wrong decision

Rick R
Re: your answer #2 - furthermore, the CIA and Wilson's wife had already made arrangements to send Joe to Niger PRIOR to Cheney's asking inquiry. Now I know smarmy Joe behaves as if he's the smartest guy in the room but to claim that he and Paris Plame are capable of reading Cheney's mind and planning the trip in response is a it of a reach.

Rick R: The bottom line is...
The Jury found Mr. Libby GUILTY on 4 of 5 counts
he was charged with and he is facing up to to 3 years in jail..

NOW DEBUNK THAT!!

Funny how far the left will go.....
In particular:
tanabear writes:
"David writes, "they manufactured the fiction that the administration lied about WMD."

They did not manufacture this. There weren't any WMD in Iraq. Bush has stated this himself. "

Proving once again that most hardcore lefties just don't understand that there is a difference between a lie (an intentional misrepresentation of the truth) and a mistake (an unintentional error).
Here's a fun excercise - prove that Bush lied about WMD's. Prove he had information to the contrary and then intentionally lied about the belief (held by most governmental agencies around the world, and almost all democrats) that Hussein had WMD's. you can't, so please stop leveling this nonsensical argument.

Jetpilot claims:
"IRAQ IS ONE OF THE WORST MISTAKES IN THE USA'S HISTORY AND ITS OWNED BY BUSH AND COMPANY. THANKS BUSH. SCOOTER IS JUST A symptom of the disease in the white house."

MMm. Bush and company. And the overwhelming majority of Democrats who voted for the war. And the rest of the free world who agreed, save for the honorable French, German, and Russian nations who refused to deal with it because they all knew they had been selling Hussein materials and plans necessary for a WMD program.

He goes on to say:

"The solution was and still is about 20% military and 80% diplomatic, intelligence, media (anti-radical Islamic websites in Arabic), international propaganda. Bush of course went 100% military and 0% anything else. Only recently has Rice been ALLOWED to talk to other countries. Than idiots like Fox's Hannity, "ha what are you going to do talk to them". Retard. No lets call them names, ignore them, threaten them and say stupid things like axis of evil, for or against, dead or alive and bomb you into the stone ages. WOW my b@##s feel bigger just writing it. "

Another moronic statement based on hatred and blind fury, not facts.
The FACTS are that we went the diplomatic route first. the UN passed resolution after resolution and sent weapons inspectors to Iraq to, well, inspect. The inspectors were denied unfettered access and escorted to Iraqi picked sites where they were given limited access and the ability to speak to people who had been 'prepped' (read: intimidated) by the iraqi government.
When that failed, we made threats. They went ignored.
You must have missed the entire lead up to the war!

Here's what Shrillary had to say (http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html)

"Now, I believe the facts that have brought us to this fateful vote are not in doubt. Saddam Hussein is a tyrant who has tortured and killed his own people, even his own family members, to maintain his iron grip on power. He used chemical weapons on Iraqi Kurds and on Iranians, killing over 20 thousand people. Unfortunately, during the 1980's, while he engaged in such horrific activity, he enjoyed the support of the American government, because he had oil and was seen as a counterweight to the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran.

In 1991, Saddam Hussein invaded and occupied Kuwait, losing the support of the United States. The first President Bush assembled a global coalition, including many Arab states, and threw Saddam out after forty-three days of bombing and a hundred hours of ground operations. The U.S.-led coalition then withdrew, leaving the Kurds and the Shiites, who had risen against Saddam Hussein at our urging, to Saddam's revenge.

As a condition for ending the conflict, the United Nations imposed a number of requirements on Iraq, among them disarmament of all weapons of mass destruction, stocks used to make such weapons, and laboratories necessary to do the work. Saddam Hussein agreed, and an inspection system was set up to ensure compliance. And though he repeatedly lied, delayed, and obstructed the inspections work, the inspectors found and destroyed far more weapons of mass destruction capability than were destroyed in the Gulf War, including thousands of chemical weapons, large volumes of chemical and biological stocks, a number of missiles and warheads, a major lab equipped to produce anthrax and other bio-weapons, as well as substantial nuclear facilities.

In 1998, Saddam Hussein pressured the United Nations to lift the sanctions by threatening to stop all cooperation with the inspectors. In an attempt to resolve the situation, the UN, unwisely in my view, agreed to put limits on inspections of designated "sovereign sites" including the so-called presidential palaces, which in reality were huge compounds well suited to hold weapons labs, stocks, and records which Saddam Hussein was required by UN resolution to turn over. When Saddam blocked the inspection process, the inspectors left. As a result, President Clinton, with the British and others, ordered an intensive four-day air assault, Operation Desert Fox, on known and suspected weapons of mass destruction sites and other military targets.

In 1998, the United States also changed its underlying policy toward Iraq from containment to regime change and began to examine options to effect such a change, including support for Iraqi opposition leaders within the country and abroad.

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001.

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security. "
She went on to say, after using way too many words and pandering:
"So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed. "
Was SHE lying too?

You must have been napping when John Kerry said:
'If in the end these efforts fail, and if in the end we are at war, we will have an obligation, ultimately, to the Iraqi people with whom we are not at war. This is a war against a regime, mostly one man. So other nations in the region and all of us will need to help create an Iraq that is a place and a force for stability and openness in the region. That effort is going to be long term, costly, and not without difficulty, given Iraq's ethnic and religious divisions and history of domestic turbulence. In Afghanistan, the administration has given more lipservice than resources to the rebuilding effort. We cannot allow that to happen in Iraq, and we must be prepared to stay the course over however many years it takes to do it right. '

That's right! John kerry, his own personal butt kisser, said it in plain english. 'we must be prepared to stay the course however many years it takes to do it right.'
So spare us, please.
The Left makes liars out of themselves and staged this nonsensical conviction to embarrass the President. They are looking for a way to come out clean.
They are failing.
Libby will be pardoned and the left will scream corruption. when conservatives rightly point to the numerous ridiculous pardons Clinton handed out to the highest bidder, Shrillary will claim that is off limits.



Answers for Phylo.
Sorry, Phylo, not cowardice -- I just got here today.

Let me answer your ravings, though. . .

Phylo Se Fiser writes: Friday, March, 09, 2007 9:50 AM
questions and facts for righties
Question#1: Why did Libby's lawyers argue that Libby was the fall-guy for the White House?

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ANSWER -- Becuase his PRIVATE (not administration) lawyers employed teh tactic they thought offered the best chance for success. It was apparant from jury selection that they were stuck with a heavily biased jury to begin with, so they figured they might as well pander to teh paranoia, and offered a defence which would permit the jury to acquit Libby and STILL blame Bush.

Obviously, it failed -- but the evidence of teh jury is that they still bought the story, they were expressing their disappointment in the fact that Karl ROVE wasn't on trial.
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Question#2 When Wilson went to the CIA he was told that the the impetus for the trip came out of an inquiry from the office of the VP. So why is it a lie, rather than a logical assumption, for Wilson to say that Cheney was responsible for sending him on the trip?

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ANSWER -- Joe Wilson HIMSELF has subsequently admitted that he was NOT sent by the VP's office. Wilson comments have ALSO supported teh "HIs wife got him the job," line. The official investigations into the matter have ALL invalidated Wilson's claim of being sent by Cheney.
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Question #3 Just because Armitage was A leaker, does that mean that he was the sole leaker? Or is it possible that Rove and Libby were also leaking to reporters? (By the way, Armitage (along with Cheney and Wolfowitz) was a war hawk according to the book Fiasco; not a war critic as Limbaugh claims. page 52.)

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ANSWER -- First, the "leak" in question was the release of information to NOVAK. NO REPORTER has claimed to have gotten ANY information from Libby until AFTER the Novak article. Once it's out in public, it isn't "leaking" to discuss the information that has already been compromised. Second, Armitage has long (and consistantly) been not only opposed to the war, but an obstacle to Bush Administration policies. Third, you are forgetting the fact that THERE WAS NO LEAK. Valerie Plame's position at teh CIA WAS NOT secret, nor was revealing it a 'leak".
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Question #4 Why did Libby lie? (Hint: It came out in the trial that Libby first learned of Plame from Dick Cheney.)

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ANSWER -- No point in answering this question. The very question PRESUMES the point being argued.

What came out in the trial is that NONE of the prosecution witnesses (except Russert -- but there a special reason why) remembered the incidents the same way. Most of them not only disagreed with each other -- they contradicted their OWN testimony beofre the Grand Jury and/or teh FBI, just as Libby was on trial for. But they HAD motives -- Hell, one of them spent almost 3 months in jail for refusing to tell Fitzgerald something he had already known for a YEAR.

Now Tim Russert is a special case. There IS evidence (in fact, there is tape of him - ON HIS SHOW) making statements that contradict his own trial testimony. But as soon as Libby decided not to testify, teh judge ruled that the Russert tapes COULD NOT be used to show that Tim Russert does not have infallible memory. When the judge tossed out ALL evidence showing that none of the witnesses had any better memory than Libby was saying HE did, that effectively eliminated any chance of proving "reasonable doubt" -- which is why this case is likely to be overturned on appeal.

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Question #5 After answering #4 explain how D Limbaugh can claim that Libby had no motive to lie.

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ANSWER -- He had no motive to lie for the following reasons:

A. Libby was NOT the source of the initial disclosure. This has been VERIFIED by the guy who disclused the info AND the reporter who wrote the article. Thus, HE DID NOT COMMIT THE ACT.

B. Libby discussing it WOULD NOT have been anissue -- the information was neither classified, confidential, or protected. Even BEFORE Novak's column. (That's why Armitage isn't on trial -- there WAS NO LEAK). Thus, TEH ACT WAS NOT A CRIME.

He didn't commit the act the investigation was formed to look into, and even if he had, the act wasn't a crime.

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Fact#1 Wilson's report did not do more to substantiate then debunk the claim of a Saddam-Niger link. Bush said that the British said that Saddam was seeking uranium from Africa. Wilson reported back that, yes, they MIGHT have been seeking uranium from Africa, but the point is mute because the controls on the uranium are such that it was highly doubtful that they could've gotten the uranium from that source. In other words, half of Wilson's report affirmed Bush's claim, but the other half rendered the first half pointless.

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ANSWER -- "Seeking" does not mean "aquiring". The very fact that Saddam was allegedly seeking uranium AT ALL was violations of the UN resolutions, the cease fire for the 1991 war, and non-proliferation agreements. Add in the FACTS that the ONLY export Niger has to offer Iraq IS YELLOWCAKE (big shortage in factories over there. . . ), and add in the fact that Saddam's Iraq effectively HAD NO CIVILIAN NUCLEAR PROGRAM, and allegations that he was even LOOKING for uranium look a lot different.

Just as they bust predators for soliciting underage sex, EVEN WHEN THE PERP IS UNSUCCESSFUL, Saddam could not be left around to seek uranium elsewhere -- in case he got lucky in a later attempt.

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Fact#2 The White House was repeatedly warned not to mention the Niger intel.

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ANSWER -- 100% of the countervailing reasons NOT to include the Niger intelligence have NOTHING to do with the facts Wislon alleged in the press.

ONLY ONE of the countervaling arguments (the fact that Iraq already possesed 550 mT of Uranium Oxide -- BTW, not a whole lot of UO for weapons production -- look at the yield figures for refining Uranium out of UO, and then the respective yield figures for U238 vs. U235 from undifferenciated uranium) even HINTED that Iraq may not have been seeking uranium after all. . .

But hanging your opposition to an intelligence resport concerning WMD on merely this presumes multiple "facts" NOT IN EVIDENCE.

1. Saddam's people are rational, reasonable people who will ONLY buy enough UO to just accomplish their goals efficiently, AND they would be (on their first A-bomb build) JUST AS EFFICIENT AS CURRENT US NUKE TECH. The same guys who drool over gold-plated AK47s and think turning off the runway lights will protect thier Air Force from US night bombers. . .

2. Saddam only intended to make ONE nuclear device (I refer you back to yield figures), and had no interest in setting up a covert breeder plant to be able to churn out multiple plutonium bombs (as fusion triggers, most likely).

3. Saddam ONLY intended to build nuclear weapons, and had no interest in building semi-conventional "dirty bombs" for fun and profit.

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Fact#3 The White House used the intel anyway, and later admitted that they should not have used it.

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ANSWER -- White House later admitting that that ONE piece of support for a single line in a long laundry list of reasons should not have been used. And this proves, what, exactly?

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Fact#4 The reason no underlying crime was prosecuted is because Sooter Libby lied and obstructed justice.

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Wrong. Fitzpatrick HIMSELF has declared that no illegal leak has occured.

Valerie Plame WAS NOT A COVERT AGENT, under the meaning of the act the "leak" supposedly violated. It wouldn't have been a crime for Richard Armitage (the actual leaker who CONFESSED even before Fitzgerald was even appointed, remember) to have held a press conference and taken out a 2-page spread in the NEW York Times saying "Valerie Plame works for the CIA in non-proliferation. She talked CIA into sending her husband to Niger."

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I invite any of you to respond to these facts and questions. But be warned, if you don't respond to ALL of them substantively, you'd better be prepared to be called on it.

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I've answered, in detail, ALL of your questions. And debunked your moonbat conspiracy claims -- based on what the PROSECUTION reported.

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Truthful James
You and right and you are wrong. I cannot deny that they screwed up the occupation. I also cannot deny that we miscalculated just exactly how uneducated the Iraqi people are. However based on what you are saying we should never try anything new. Hindsight is always 20/20. I think it is because of our understanding and ties to the greater Middle East that we did try the light footprint. God Bless them. Their intentions were good but it simply did not work. Based on what you are saying technology or anything else should never move forward. If it's just too hard don't try? I don't think so. History will prevail on the part of Bush, because in the end Bush has managed to finally put the Middle East between a rock and a hard place. They either have to go all out and fight a broader war in the Middle East, ie..Sunni/Shite/ Kurd or they have to modernize. They cannot have both.Oil and water never mix no matter how hard you try.

Answer for Phallus
Phallus - I hate to tell you this but nobody gives a sh*# about your 9:50 AM post.

Phylo Se Fiser
No one has commented on your posting because the best way to deal with a sadly informed and vitriolic liberal is to ignore him or her.

Go listen to Air America while it's still on---if it is.

By the way, what is your name supposed to signify? Or is it based on an ego trip?

Cheers.

Libby et al
I was not privy to the details and testimony of anybody concerning the Plame affair or the War in Iraq, and neither were any of you commentators. So be careful of your "facts."

By the time I reached the end of the comments, I wasn't sure what David Limbaugh had talked about in his column. I always thought that comments on a column were just that, but now I see that personal and ideological fancies rule the day.

Spout on, but try using and spelling your words better. Try proofreading your comments. It might help mitigate some of your factual errors---and there are many.

Too many liberals spout as fact the lies and misrepresentations of the liberal media and politicians. Believe me, those two sources never rely on facts in their basic forms.

Hearty boos to tanabear and Red Tooth [I try to be somewhat gentle with misinformed people.] You should both retire your keyboards if you can't see reality in front of you. Truthful James, being only mostly right---similar to Billy Crystal's phrase of "mostly dead"---was still on target with the bulk of his comments. Lolo also had a good thoughts to convey.

inopinoveritas.townhall.com/Default.aspx is my blog with similar commentary.


you right wing cowards!
Why is it that none of you have the courage to respond to my 9:50 am post?

I suspect it's because you can't.

If it is because you can't then admit the White House lied us into this war. You can't have it both ways.

Phylo out.

You Make Me Laugh
Read the hearings minutes, especially those which contained Joe Wilson's testimony. Also read the Silberman report and hearings.

Truthfull James,

So, you admit this trial had nothing to do with Plame, and everything to do with politics. Unfortunately, Fitzgerald was orginally given only the authority to find Plame's leak, and not policy disagreements.

The Bush failure to lead
I happen to be a little right of Genghis Khan, a died in the wool conservative and a believer in the War on Terror.

Pull back your poison fangs everybody.

PatFitz is the best Federal prosecutor we have ever seen in the State of Illinois. He and his staff are taking down the Republican combine and the Democrat machine at the same time. He and his staff are moving up the food chain in both parties. Good luck to him


If we lose him, we lose Illinois to another decade of bipartisan corruption. Thank God the Gonzales crew has not taken him out as they have done others with gumption. Period.

The case against Libby was that he lied to the Grand Jury. Why doesn't count. It was not that he was the first one to leak information to the press.

Why do we have apologists on both sides doing this Scooter dance? None of the reallly important people have ever had to face the music on the various conns on the American citizen.

LBJ phonied up the second Gulf of Tonkin incident so that he could massacre barry Goldwater in the election and incidentally kill off 56,000 Americans and just about empty the well of patriotism on the basis of a lie. Bob McNamara is still wandering around awaiting his entrance into Hell. The leadership got bipartisan support, the political generals opted for more stars. The people paid the price. We tried to fight a a European style war limited force, limited political objectives, and everybody was deathly afraid to tell the President that he had no clothes.

LBJ was the ultimate micromanager, approving individual aircraft missions from 7,000 miles away. GWB is the ultimate product of an MBA program, delegating but not requiring performance. Hello, Brownie.

With respect to WMD, which include atomic, biological and chemical weapons, GWB did not say that Saddam had atomic weapons, he did say that they had a weapons program. He did allege the presence of chemical weapons (Saddam had used them against the Iranians and the Kurds. That was true enough. There were as well biologics in Iraq.

But Saddam and Iraq came after our efforts in Afghanistan and the taliban government sheltering Osama Ben Laden. We used a minimum of U.S. (Special) forces and naval air power in tandem with the indigenous tribes. They carried the day. Unfortunately we relieved some airbornes and replaced them with the undertrained Mountain Division and Osama slipped free of the noose.

In DC, hubris reigned. the policies which Rumsfeld put in place to reorganize the armed forces proved to be proper.

We were, in essence able to fight that limited engagement without our citizens being informed that the protection of the United States was a continuing engagement for the government and the people and it would require sacrifices.

LBJ in Vietnam thought he could win through and deliver both guns and butter. He chose to deficit finance the cost of the war. GWB and the Congress thought we could do the same thing to ensure the security of the country while its citizens went about as if life were normal/

We appear to have been perfectly ignorant of the socio economic makeup of the unnatural entity know as Iraq. We understood neither the religious make-up of the land.

Of all the rationales for overthrowing Saddam expressed by the administration, the Big Lie was that we were going to establish a unitary democracy to be an example for the Middle East. This was the one that appealed to the missionary spirit of the American people. It had to be a Rovian construction. Hell, we were not and never have been a unitary democracy ourselves.

CENTCOM, with the forces available, could not lose a war of attrition. We could capture Baghdad on our own, without the help of indigeneous forces. Unlike Afghanistan, however, there were no native armies to control regions and keep a peace.

The biggest sin, as with LBJ, was there were not sufficient forces to either conduct counterinsurgency warfare or to keep the peace and reorganize the country.

Hubris and ignorance in Washington carried the day. Congressional oversight was inept. All decisions made were done on a minimalist basis.

If anybody on this list has not read both "COBRA II" and "FIASCO" (and for a sense of Vietnam "The Best and the Brightest") is utterly derelict and should keep his email shut down until he reads both.

The Scooter was the smallest of pearl onions in this matter. Fitzgerald did his duty.















Moonbats, Read 9/11 Report
and then read his OpEds which began this affair.

Wilson lied about the forged documents (even Kerry realized this and dropped Wilson from his staff 4 hours after it came to light).

Wilson lied about Iraq's desire for Yellow Cake. In the report to the DCI, Wilson never said that Iraq never attempted to buy Uranium from Niger. In fact, that was the reason for his visit there in the 1st place. His report to the CIA cooberated what MI6 and the Mossad documented.

Also,

During the trial, defense lawyers stipulated that Plame first selected her husband BEFORE she asked the the office of the VP about sending her husband to Niger (taken from emails during the 9/11 investigation). According to Wilson's Op Ed and Plame's testimony before the Senate, it was Cheney who asked the CIA to send someone. Thus, in fact Plame created a problem where none existed before. Niether Cheney nor Libby nor Tenet considered Iraq's search for weapons grade Uranium questionable (they had 2 seperate sources). Plame raised a non-issue, then volunteered hubby to investigate it. The defence lawyers stipulated that this was all a set up by Plame/Wilson based on the now public chain of events. The trial judge refused Libby's lawyers this avenue of defense.

However, none of this mattered as Fitzgerald decided to widen his investigation and troll for crimes. Obstruction and perjury was all he produced. He knew all along it was Armitage, but kept this bit of info to himself and his team. If he published this info during his 1st week of investigation, he would have had no choice but to close up shop, or at best indict Armitage. He may have also been forced to indict Sec Powell for obstruction (Powell kept quiet). Instead, Fitzgerald mislead the President, the Attorney General, Congress, and the people.

As it turned out, the Democrats got thier man, they can now continue to blather about Bush Lied, and Soldiers Died, and a man will go to jail for the crime of a poor memory.


kim
Instead of typing, just paste this:

Bush sux bloviate Cheny sux bloviate Halliburton Bush lied people died bloviate no WMD.

This should save you some time.

Kimberly
Your living in the land of moral relativism.

Kim
This will start you drooling:

blo·vi·ate [ blo vee àyt ] (past and past participle blo·vi·at·ed, present participle blo·vi·at·ing, 3rd person present singular blo·vi·ates)


intransitive verb

Definition:

speak bombastically: to speak at length in a pompous self-aggrandizing way ( slang )


[Mid-19th century. Mock Latin alteration of blow]


blo·vi·a·tion [ blovee áysh'n ] noun


tanabear
Please learn what the definition of a neo-con is if you are going to use the term. I know libs like to twist the definitions of words and at times flat out redefine them to fit their agenda but I don't really think that's gonna fly here unless maybe if it's a slang term. My favorite re-definiton most often misused is the term imperialism. That's one the left not only redefines it misapplies! Oh and by the way bashing David and Rush does not refute the points they make. It actually reaffirms them.

Kim
Thanks for using the word "bloviate" again. You have been pretty lax about that lately.

Skywalker81
You summed that up pretty good. My favorite rantings on this are those seeking revenge for Clinton's prosecution and impeachment. If we were to turn the tables here and let Clinton off for lying because "it was a personal matter" do you really think the libs would let Libby off to? The argument is a fallacy.Personal matters do matter and the devil is in the details. If they didn't matter why then did the astronaut Lisa Diapernaut get canned this week? Are we now holding our presidents to lower standards than the rest of us have to adhere to? The moral slide in this country has becaome a major landslide.

A Different Point of View
Sandy Berger steals and destroys confidential government documents from the National Archives prior to testifying before the 9/11 Commission and walks away with a fine. Scooter Libby lies during the course of an investigation to find out who leaked Valerie Plame's identity to Robert Novak -- which turned out not to be a crime -- and he faces 20 years in prison and debt of more than $2 million for his defense. How's that for unequal justice?

And by the way, Clinton didn't lie about "personal family matters." He lied under oath during the course of a sexual harrassment lawsuit filed against him by a former employee. During a deposition, Clinton denied that he had a sexual relationship with Ms. Lewinsky, an intern employed by the Clinton White House. That workplace relationship, along with others, was used by the plaintiff's attorney to demonstrate a pattern of behavior in which Clinton entered into sexual relationships with women over whom he exercised control as their employer/supervisor. There's no doubt that Clinton lied to shield himself from Hillary's wrath and personal embarrassment (as well as legal liability and political fallout), but that doesn't make his perjury a "personal family matter."

Sexual harassment claims against employers have been around for years, so why do people intentionally miss the point with the Clinton/Lewinsky affair and the subsequent impeachment proceedings? There didn't seem to be any misunderstanding about the meaning of sexual harrassment in the workplace during the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings.

Are you kidding?
"I have serious doubts that Mr. Libby lied -- as opposed to having an imperfect memory over matters not that critically important -- because he had no motive to lie."

"Democrats' manufactured the fiction that the administration lied about WMD."


This is a simple case of lying, nothing more and nothing less. "Scooter" Libby has the memory of a gold fish or is lying to protect Cheney who was getting even with an "enemy". If you say playing fast and loose with classified info is fine for political revenge, than I guess its GREAT! This is the kind of person Cheney is and he or Rove should have been in court.

David Limbaugh, they did lie us into the war, that is a fact. If they got bad INTEL, by March 2003, before the first bomb, they had more than enough info and doubt with counter or anti-war intelligence from many sources to cast great doubt on starting a war. Even if it was justified it was ill planned and that is ALL BUSH.

At BEST Bush's gang cherry pick intel, ignored critical info and is totally incompetent. I think its both lying and lack of leadership (incompetence).

Persecution of the war is another topic and has been a complete failure, a disgrace. Done on the cheap, Rumsfeld tells soldiers why they don't have personal body armor or armor for humvees, "well henny penny gosh Golly gee-willikers you don't always have what you want". What a joke and an idiot. Grandpa you where all done a decade ago.

You must KNOW what you are doing DL? You are a serious right wing water carrier, and I only can assume you hope to get rich doing it, even if you hurt America with your lies which divide.

IRAQ IS ONE OF THE WORST MISTAKES IN THE USA'S HISTORY AND ITS OWNED BY BUSH AND COMPANY. THANKS BUSH. SCOOTER IS JUST A symptom of the disease in the white house.

The solution was and still is about 20% military and 80% diplomatic, intelligence, media (anti-radical Islamic websites in Arabic), international propaganda. Bush of course went 100% military and 0% anything else. Only recently has Rice been ALLOWED to talk to other countries. Than idiots like Fox's Hannity, "ha what are you going to do talk to them". Retard. No lets call them names, ignore them, threaten them and say stupid things like axis of evil, for or against, dead or alive and bomb you into the stone ages. WOW my b@##s feel bigger just writing it.

We need a statesman, diplomat and a true leader; Bush can't put two coherent sentences together. We are in a tough spot and name calling, partisan back biting, propaganda and rhetoric will not help us. We are spending 7 to 9 BILLION$$$$ a month, not to mention a 100 American lives. I guess as long as you have a job and your stocks are going up all is good right? Short minded and we are in a long race and sprinting to a bad ending if we don't pace ourselves.

Bush slips laws in bills to fire US attorneys for political reasons. He ignores the constitution and says the Geneva convention is quaint; than Rumsfeld says "we can't control what goes on at abu grab half way around the world". You think the commander in chief saying the Geneva convention does not apply might affect the troops. Don't start me with Katrina!

It makes me sick what Iraq is doing to our great nation, but the right wing is FINE WITH IT. The same OLD BS, its all good; oh except the left wing media and Dems is all of the problem. Other wise its GREAT! Rediculius.

This is not a vast left wing liberal media conspiracy, Bush really is doing a bad job, to be polite and the GOP congress gave no oversight and is corrupt and is spending money like crazy. Cheney has dark clouds over him and Rumsfeld stunk the place up.

Sadly you and all right wing flame throwers play games and TURN this into a Dems or liberals issue, again. SHAME ON YOU, YOU LYING LIER. The scary part is the Right wing is SO GOOD AT LYING, and you do it in concert and so well. I respect your lying skill. Its evil but its well done.

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Stand up like MEN and HOLD YOUR PARTY AND LEADERS Accountable!!!! STOP GIVING THEM A PASS BECAUSE THEY ARE IN YOUR PARTY. STOP LISTENING TO PEOPLE LIKE David Limbaugh. WE ARE ALL AMERICANS. Stop believing that if you are not a conservative republican you don't love our contry. No party has a monopoly on the good ideas. Frankly right now no one has good ideas because of the deep hole the GOP and BUSH put us in, while the RIGHT WING media sings.
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Mr. David Limbaugh, I have read and seen you a few times on TV, and you are completely without conscience and intellectually dishonest. You will turn anything into a hate Dem / Liberal issue. BTW, I am NOT a fan of Dems either; I'm very conservative and a Christian (but not the speaking in tongue rolling on the floor evangelical want to TELL or force people to follow my morals kind of christian). I love America and our troops. I am just anti lies and evil BS. You sir are bad for America and people that believe everything you say are fools.

to skywalker 81
I dare you to respond to each of my questions and facts in my 9:50am post with a substantive, intelligent argument.

No wait, I double dog dare you.

Phylo out.

Left vs. Right
I get so frustrated reading some of the comments posted regarding what facts are really facts. No one's mind is going to be changed no matter what "facts" are quoted. I have concluded that each side will state their "facts" to support their position and these "facts" contradict the "facts" referenced by the other side. The problem is, not everyone's "facts" are really facts.
One thing I have noticed is that the left seems determined to hold on to their "facts" despite their being proven false or the source being of questionable integrity.
If Joseph Wilson lied about who sent him on the mission to investigate whether Iraq has sought to buy yellow cake from Niger, what is to keep him from lying about other details?
Since Joseph Wilson was known to be against any type of military action against Iraq, why would he make any real effort to help investigate an action that could lead to that action?
Once the true source of the leak was found, and it was determined (and I felt from about the second day of the story) that Valerie Plame was not undercover, therefore the leak did not constitute a crime, why did the prosecution continue?
Why do liberals continue to blindly say no WMDs were found in Iraq when in fact chemical agents and explosive devices containing these agents were found? Yes they were old and appeared to have been manufactured prior to the original Gulf War; but, they were still there, and there is no reason to believe that Saddam would not try to manufacture more once the UN stopped poking around.
There are British Intelligence Reports, Italian Intelligence reports, CIA reports and UN reports, that all call into question the authenticity of the documentation used by the others. The truth here seems to be what you want it to be and no one is going to be convinced by the arguments of the other side.
Tanabear you stated "Richard Armitage was one of the individuals who signed that PNAC letter to Clinton back in 1998 urging him to attack Iraq. So Armitage favored the Iraq Attaq years before 911." Ummm, just because Armitage supported CLINTON in 1998 in an attack on Iraq, does not mean he would support BUSH. Circumstances and events between 1998 and 2003 can change your mind. Who would be prosecuting the war can also change your opinion.
Those that think the Demccrats supported the war initially because they were lied to just won't climb out of that slime pit. The Dems wanted Saddam removed when Clinton was President. They supported the War because a majority of the American people supported the war. After Saddam was toppled and things began to get worse and the death toll began to rise, the Democrats used this and the falling support for the war to try to point the failures on the Republicans and to claim they were against the war all along but went along with it because they were lied to. I have felt all along the Dems really didn't want things to go well in Iraq unless they could get credit for it. It is politics as usual and both sides do it; only the Dems seem really good at the slimy parts of it.
To Red Tooth and a couple of other libs that claim that Fitzgerald was appointed by a Republican Administration (John Ashcroft) and therefore would not be left-biased: That premise has been proven to be full of poop because Republican Presidents have appointed supreme court justices that turned out (surprise!) to be left leaning, rather than right leaning. Mistakes are made and Republicans seem to be good at not getting what they were expecting. Fitzgerald has turned out to be like most people once they get to Washington and get a lot of attention and some power. He found he was able to make a name for himself, scoop up and waste a bunch of money from the public till and advance a personal agenda. Just because he was appointed by a Republican Administration does not mean he would be biased against prosecuting someone in a Republican administration.
I know I am wasting my breath because libs will believe what they want to believe to support their "feelings". The point of all my ramblings is, unless you like arguing, trying to prove the other side is wrong, blind, biased, full of CR@p or what ever is really a fruitless effort. Politics is a nasty business and is not about doing what is best for the country, it is about getting re-elected and obtaining and wielding power. Period.

My oh my
Dsmith can skip this one based on my pen name.

Jesse Unruh, a powerful politician in my state, famously said, "what goes around, comes around". Others may have said it earlier but the spirit is evident.


Memo from Townhall Board
All you moonbats and Kossites - please do not visit this site and post your twisted logic and probing questions. We are not in a defensible position. This website is for conservatives and if we have to make up stuff to sell an argument, we have to right to do so. You would not like us if we came to those liberal blog sites and posted things that mess up a seemingly flawless article in the author's mind.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Wheres Ken Starr?
The nutty right and Limboof ranting against a Republican appointed to investigate Republicans by Republicans is a hoot. Then to top off this, famous brother hanger on blames the Democrats for the Iraq mess. Hey pal, take a look at at what your own party has done. BTW got to hand it to Fitzgerald, he at least was able to follow through and get a conviction. Now Newt, about your your hypocrisy and multiple adultery behavior. Man the right is so far gone these days they cant see straight!

questions and facts for righties
Question#1: Why did Libby's lawyers argue that Libby was the fall-guy for the White House?

Question#2 When Wilson went to the CIA he was told that the the impetus for the trip came out of an inquiry from the office of the VP. So why is it a lie, rather than a logical assumption, for Wilson to say that Cheney was responsible for sending him on the trip?

Question #3 Just because Armitage was A leaker, does that mean that he was the sole leaker? Or is it possible that Rove and Libby were also leaking to reporters? (By the way, Armitage (along with Cheney and Wolfowitz) was a war hawk according to the book Fiasco; not a war critic as Limbaugh claims. page 52.)

Question #4 Why did Libby lie? (Hint: It came out in the trial that Libby first learned of Plame from Dick Cheney.)

Question #5 After answering #4 explain how D Limbaugh can claim that Libby had no motive to lie.

Fact#1 Wilson's report did not do more to substantiate then debunk the claim of a Saddam-Niger link. Bush said that the British said that Saddam was seeking uranium from Africa. Wilson reported back that, yes, they MIGHT have been seeking uranium from Africa, but the point is mute because the controls on the uranium are such that it was highly doubtful that they could've gotten the uranium from that source. In other words, half of Wilson's report affirmed Bush's claim, but the other half rendered the first half pointless.

Fact#2 The White House was repeatedly warned not to mention the Niger intel.

-- In September, 2002, during coordination of a speech with an NSC staff member, the CIA analyst suggested the reference to Iraqi attempts to acquire uranium from Africa be removed. The CIA analyst said the NSC staff member said that would leave the British "flapping in the wind." (pg. 50)
-- On October 2, 2002, the Deputy DCI testified before the SSCI. Senator Jon Kyl asked the Deputy DCI whether he had read the British White Paper and whether he disagreed with anything in the report. The Deputy DCI testified that "the one thing where I think they stretched a little bit beyond where we would stretch is on the points about where Iraq seeking uranium from various African locations." (pg.54)
-- On October 5, 2002, the ADDI said an Iraq nuclear analyst -- he could not remember who -- raised concerns about the sourcing and some of the facts of the Niger reporting, specifically that the control of the mines in Niger would have made it very difficult to get yellowcake to Iraq. (pg. 55)
-- Based on the analyst's comments, the ADDI faxed a memo to the Deputy National Security Advisor that said, "remove the sentence because the amount is in dispute and it is debatable whether it can be acquired from this source. We told Congress that the Brits have exaggerated this issue. Finally, the Iraqis already have 550 metric tons of uranium oxide in their inventory." (pg. 56)
-- On October 6, 2002, the DCI called the Deputy National Security Advisor directly to outline the CIA's concerns. The DCI testified to the SSCI on July 16, 2003, that he told the Deputy National Security Advisor that the "President should not be a fact witness on this issue," because his analysts had told him the "reporting was weak." (pg. 56)
-- On October 6, 2002, the CIA sent a second fax to the White House which said, "more on why we recommend removing the sentence about procuring uranium oxide from Africa: Three points 1) the evidence is weak. One of the two mines cited by the source as the location of the uranium oxide is flooded. The other mine cited by the source is under the control of the French authorities. 2) the procurement is not particularly significant to Iraq's nuclear ambitions because the Iraqis already have a large stock of uranium oxide in their inventory. And 3) we have shared points one and two with Congress, telling them that the Africa story is overblown and telling them this in one of the two issues where we differed with the British.

Fact#3 The White House used the intel anyway, and later admitted that they should not have used it.

Fact#4 The reason no underlying crime was prosecuted is because Sooter Libby lied and obstructed justice.

I invite any of you to respond to these facts and questions. But be warned, if you don't respond to ALL of them substantively, you'd better be prepared to be called on it.

Phylo out.

Why did Colin Powell resign?
Maybe he did not resign but was fired becuase his subordinates were out of his control or becuase he had his own agenda.

THE TALE OF TWO CASES
Hmmmm... Clinton lied under oath about personal family matters and was impeached. Libby lied under oath about government matters and the rightwing screams FOUL!

Late Breaking News
The shooter has invited Fitzgerald on a hunting trip!

It was a trial on the war in Iraq
Fitzgerald tried and the jurors convicted Scooter Libby on 4 out of 5 charges. Based on what? The jurors apparently didn't listen to what the judge said in an opening statement, about NO EVIDENCE is being offered to show Libby exposed Valerie Plame as a CIA operative. In the next statement to the jurors the judge also stated he didn't know if Plame was covert or not and he didn't need to know. What the judge said went right over the heads of the jurors who drew their conclusion, if Libby isn't guilty of exposing Valerie Plame as a CIA operative, then Scooter Libby was guilty of other crimes. The jurors assumptions were already grounds for a mistrial, because they were entering information based on NO EVIDENCE, into a trial in which they assumed other guys should have been on trial instead of Libby. The greater contradictions came after the trial by the jurors who said why is Scooter Libby here, where the other guys, but yet they found Libby guilty just the same. For what? If the jurors felt the other guys should have been on trial, how did they come to a 4 out 5 charges against Scooter Libby? There's only one guy who should have been on trial. That guy is Richard Armitage who told Collin Powell, and Patrick Fitzgerald that he exposed Plame as a CIA operative. Fitzgerald kept the investigation open for one reason, and one reason only. He was going to turn Scooter Libby every which way but loose, to get the desired answers, he needed to bring Scooter Libby to trial to discredit President Bush, Cheney, and the war in Iraq. This is no secret. It's backed up by Harry Reid who endorsed and approved the methods Fitzgerald used to get a verdict of guilt against Libby. The Democrats knew all along what this trial was about. It sure wasn't about Scooter Libby lying or an obstruction of justice. These charges were only a front for bigger game Fitzgerald was after. President Bush and Cheney.

Fitzy firing
They got rid of 6 US Attorneys, why didn't they get rid of Fitzy at the same time.

And you will all have to excuse David..sometimes he mistakenly consumes some of his brother's medications..

Question for wingnuts and moonbats
Why is it that everyone that diasgrees with so many of you on the right or the left is AUTOMATICALLY branded to be an enemy on the left or the right?

leen58
Great post and a nice compilation of factual material.

Unfortunately, the species Liberalus Moonbaticus has a genetic problem assimilating factual material and logical data. It has something to do with their reduced cranial vault capacity and small brain.

In fact, I charted this with the article:

http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/g/04b80b88-b65b-4707-a9a0-5465d7c80ad0

and most recently, the fact that these girlie men are turning to Veganism as their newest religion after Global Warming was debunked and Al Boredom was ordered by PETA to start eating weeds vice a T-Bone.

question
Why did Colin Powell resign?

Libs-the facts are so simple
1. Wilson gets sent to Niger after his wife
recommends him.
2. He finds out that an Iraqi official tries to
make a deal to do business with Niger but is
turned down beause of UN sancitons against
doing business with Iraq.
3. CIA concludes that in fact an attempt was
made for yellowcake purchase.
4. Wilson LIES when he says Cheney's office sent
him on the mission.
5. Wilson LIES when he says in his NYT piece
that there was no evidence that Iraq tried to
purchase yellowcake.
6. Novak hears from Armitage that Plame works for
CIA and recommended Wilsons trip.
7. The White House has a right to get the TRUTH
out when a person with a title and media
access is telling LIES about the
administration.
8. Liberals scream and the Bush-hating media
picks up the ball and runs with it.
9. White House knows they did nothing wrong so
goes along with having an investigation.
10.Armitage realizes what's going on and comes
forward to investigators.
11.All that needed to be established then was
whether Plame was covert-which we all know
now she was not OR ELSE ARMITAGE WOULD HAVE
BEEN INDICTED.
12.What took place after this was a bogus
witch hunt by a prosecutor mad with power.
13.He dragged-for no reason since he already
knew Novaks source-every high ranking Bush
official before a grand jury and grilled
them for hours, JUST WAITING FOR AN
INCONSISTENCY. And wasn't he so proud of
himself when he snagged one in his net.
14.Fitzgerald should be prosecuted for
misconduct.
15.If you libs had an ounce of intellectual
honesty instead of being so blinded by
your irrational Bush-hate you would see how
scary it is what happened to this man in the
United States judicial system






Protect Libby day at TH
Forget global warming denial or Democrats who want to install BinLaden as president and worship Satan. Today we have to defend the honor of the Bush administration.

Fitzpatrick...
...is a disgrace. Someone should can and disbar him.

Red Tooth, There You Go Again
You are a lefty troll, that is for sure.

Bush stated in his State of the Union Address that according to British intelligence, Saddam was seeking to acquire yellow cakle uranium in Africa. That was a correct statement, British intelligence did so report; and British intelligence has stood by its report. What you do in response is (i) to denigate Brit intelligence and exalt a faulty U.S. report; (ii) to repeat garbage about forged documents that is a twisted piece of nonsense; (iii)never to deal with the fact that translated Sddam government documents showed that Sadddam was seeking to buy yellow cake uranium in Africa, which is what Christopher Hitchens to remark "so sorry, everyone, but Saddam did go uranium shopping in Africe: and (iv) to forget the NY times article late last year complaining about the availability on the internet of the translated Saddam government documents because Saddm was closer to having a nuclear device than thought and one could build a nuclear device from what was in the documents.

Why do you continue to exalt Joe Wilson, the person that the Senate Intelliegence Committe determied to have been untruthful in his NY Times op-ed column? Contrary to the op-ed column, Joe Wilson was not sent to Niger by the Vice President, and Joe Wilson did not go to Niger and come back and write a report, subsequently ignored by Bush, saying Saddam was not seeking to buy yellow cake uranium in Niger. In truth, Joe Wilson was sent to Niger by his wife Plame, and Joe Wilson found out that Saddam was up to something in Niger, which is what he said in oral comments when he was de-briefed. In no way did that contradict what Bush stated in citing Brit intelligence that Saddam was seeking to buy yellow cake uranium in Africa. In fact, what Wilson orally reported is consistent with Brit intelligence because the only thing of interest to Saddam in Niger is yellow cake uranium.

Finally, your persoanl attack on Limbaugh shows a sick mind on your part. Limbaugh testify before a grand jury? For what? Oh. . . I get it now, he's an effective conservative that you lefties want to send to jail and silence.

More silliness from TownHall
Once again, we see a right wing pundit trying to shore up her right wing credentials, this time by going after a non-partisan prosecutor who had been appointed by a Republican Attorney General.

What crap.

I've often seen the same hyposcrisy on the left, attacking the special prosecutor and every thing is politically motivated. Yeah, right. Monica Lewinsky and half of Slick Willie's cabinet.

Patrick Fitzgerald, by most non-partisan accounts, did a noble and, ahem, very successful job in a thankless situation. I'd like to remind everyone that he was appointed by John Ashcroft to investigate this whole matter.

He's also battling corruption in Illinois, both Democrat and Republican.

Juror Denis Collins' comments after the verdict may come from his heart and it may well or may not have been partisan. It did seem a bit odd to say some of the thing he said. I'd like to here more jurors speak out so it won't seem as if Collins is an unofficial spokesperson. But I'd like to remind the readers here that the jury did not pop out of nowhere. Both the prosecution and the defense vetted them and jointly selected them.

Scooter Libby lied under oath. He got nailed. He'll get a couple of years. That's unfortunate. But that's the way it goes.

Red Tooth
No matter how you spin the pre-war intelligence gaffs (and I admit there were many), it does not exonerate Wilson's lies before the SIC... and certainly has absolutely NOTHING to do with this entire Scooter Libby fiasco.

In typical liberal fashion, you are distracting from the underlying point of this column, which is that Fitzgerald should have packed his bags and returned to Chicago the moment he learned Armitage was the source for Plame's name leak, which has also turned out to be a non-issue since she wasn't "covert."

Grubby
You obviously don't bother to read official government publications. I did not cite any Lefist blog or comic, but the Robb-Silberman report, which was commissioned by president Bush to investigate our pre-war intelligence on WMD. Needless to say they said it was all wrong. They also declared -- thanks to the painstaking work done by the Iraqi Survey Group -- that Iraq never sought uranium from Africa.

That is why once the IAEA publicly exposed the uranium forgeries the Bush Administration had to back track and say those "16 words" should have never been part of the speech. So if British intelligence is different from the forged uranium documents, why is it necessary to disclaim the 16 words?

The British have not provided any evidence -- not a single shred of it -- to substantiate the claim that Iraq sought uranium from Africa. That is why George Bush, the entire US intelligence community, the IAEA and others are in complete agreement: Iraq never sought uranium from Africa.






Handy
I agree that Fitzy should be investigated, or more simply fired. This disconnect between "libby's Lie" and "Bush lied us into war" have nothing to do with each other as Tanabear, Phylo, Harry Reid, Pelosi Monkey girl and boy would have you believe. But only those of us with half a brain tied behind our backs, (just to make it fair) will understnad this.
It was absolutely a necessity that the liberals find someone with ties to Bush and do whatever was possible to bring him down.

They will never agree that Bubba lied and got away with it, Berger lied and got away with it,or any of the other liberals with "lying integrity" who are getting away with it and making millions, I might add. Instead, Libby gets jail time while all the a**holes walk around free with their noses in the air acting like they are pure as the driven snow.. They only forgive each other and God forbid you are like that Cpl Sanchez that Michelle Malkin wrote about...Sickening.

Red Tooth
You've been reading too many comic books - or leftist blogs.

Bush's SOTU address cited British Intellegence and the British stand by their assessment. Period.

It's amazing how you leftwits insist on believing self-serving fabrications over simple facts.

And no-one disputes Ashcroft unfortunately came up with Fitz but that doesn't negate the prior statement you cited. It's been obvious all through this rotten affair that Fitz is a renegade prosecutor with his own agenda, perhaps nothing more than to get rich on the taxpayers tab. He knew Armitage was the source from the very beginning and knew Plame WAS NOT an operative worthy of protection - yet he kept this filthy thing going for three years.

These special prosecutors are unaccountable, dangerous and should never be appointed for any reason ever again.

Editorial malpractice
I don't know if there is a code of ethics for op-ed writers, but if there is then Mr Limbaugh is probably in violation of every one.

"The whole Scooter Libby case, from start to finish, has been based on the left's depraved obsession with substantiating the lie that President Bush and Vice President Cheney lied us into war."

Patrick Fitzgerald was appointed by John Ashcroft, not Nancy Pelosi, Noam Chomsky, or Michael Moore.

"He had no motive because the administration had nothing to hide concerning its decision to attack Iraq and particularly the yellow cake uranium flap, despite the left's endless cacophony to the contrary."

Since Bush was able to get authorization to wage war on the basis of a forged document and then repeated the "findings" of the forged document to the entire nation, then it's not surprising he has much to hide, a long with the rest of the Administration.

"(Note that the Brits still stand by their statement.)"

This is a great example of journalistic malfeasance because there is no separate Brits "claim," that is they do not have information or sources independent of the forged uranium documents. British intelligence was based on the forged documents and US intelligence was based on the same forged documents. That the Brits are willing to stand behind a forged document is interesting, and at the same time bizarre, but ultimately it doesn't amount to much.

"Wilson feigned outrage, saying he had investigated the claim himself in Niger and determined it was baseless. But the Senate Intelligence Committee and the British Butler Report both concluded that Wilson's findings did more to substantiate, than debunk, the Saddam-Niger connection."

Joe Wilson went there to corroborate a report that Iraq actually purchased and acquired 500 tons of yellow cake uranium, not just "sought" it. He found no evidence that such an arrangement was made or even possible.

For the record the conclusion of the US intelligence community is that Iraq never sought uranium from Africa after 1991.

"The Iraq Survey Group also found no evidence that Iraq sought uranium from abroad after 1991."

http://www.wmd.gov/report/report.html#chapter1

This evidence was known at the time president Bush gave his State of the Union Address, which explains why Colin Powell refused to repeat the same information in his address to the United Nations only 8 days later. So this raises the most significant question: why was Powell not willing to cite a forgery, but the president was? No one wants to look too closely at the matter because it will lead to the obvious conclusion that the Bush Administration was interested in making a case for war, and not in seeking the truth. And in making a case for war they were willing to gracefully skirt around the truth.

Hopefully Limbaugh will never have to go before a grand jury; he would be guilty of perjury even before he opened his mouth.




Handy
'The Justice Department should begin a case of criminal prosecutorial misconduct against Patrick Fitzgerald.'

Fat chance - I just got done enumerating the 'do nothing' job that Gonzales has been doing at Justice. He doesn't know treason, sedition, national security oath violations, nor simple assault or DUI. He's the most MT suit dumb-fu*k that's ever sat in the Justice Dept.'s secretary's chair.

These are the new 'careerists' that do nothing lest it offend someone on his way up - up to what. He brilliantly proves the peter principle - everyone's promoted to their level of incompetence. Well, good 'ole Alberto has arrived.

Actually, some of the blame belongs with Bush for ever giving him the notion he was Supreme Court material. As I said previously, Miers looks preferable by comparison and you know what conservatives thought of her.

This is what happens when the president starts looking for a Black, or a Woman, or a Latin, etc. to fill a particular position.

So far, there's more than enough evidence to question GW's selection of legal talent. I sure hope he can do better if the dems come after him.

Overall, the article was an excellent thumbnail sketch of the whole rotten affair. I wonder how many, boats, trips and houses were taxpayer financed by dragging this stinker out for three plus years.

One thing we learned for sure by this affair - the CIA has certainly outlived its usefulness.
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