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Friday, January 19, 2007
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Un-Fairness Doctrine: Unevening the Playing Field, by Law
by David Limbaugh
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Beware of liberals using such words as "fairness." In resurrecting the "Fairness Doctrine," liberals are trying to kill conservative talk radio and restore their media monopoly. Period. The doctrine would selectively stifle free political discourse, which is essential for our representative government.

The Fairness Doctrine, an FCC regulation in force from 1949 to 1987, required broadcasters to present "both sides" of controversial issues. During that time, liberals had a virtual monopoly on the media.

Since the rule was repealed, conservative talk radio has exploded -- Rush Limbaugh launched his syndicated radio show in 1988 -- and other media outlets multiplied: the Internet, including blogs, cable and satellite TV and satellite radio, among others. The conservative viewpoint has fared quite well in the new media.

This is not to say that the government's elimination of the regulation discriminated against the liberal message. The liberal viewpoint still dominates the mainstream media, cable TV, except for Fox News, and the overwhelming number of major print media outlets. Liberals also have equal access to new media outlets, though they've had enormous difficulty competing in the marketplace of ideas.

It's instructive to remember that while conservatives grew hoarse complaining about the monolithic liberal message, they didn't advocate suppression of liberal speech. Their remedy, instituted -- fittingly -- in the Reagan years, was to open up, not constrict or regulate the media market.

The results have been dramatic, with conservatives finally having a significant voice in the media, albeit mostly in the new media, though a singular liberal message still prevails in the old media, not to mention public broadcasting.

Liberals can't stand the competition. Democratic Congressman Maurice Hinchey is sponsoring the "Media Ownership Reform Act," whose proposed reforms include the reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine. Hinchey denies wanting to muzzle conservative hosts. But, "This will ensure that different views will also be heard. People are being prevented from getting the right information." Really? Latest polls show 60 percent of Americans are opposed to the Iraq war. Will Hinchey not be satisfied until it's 90 percent?

This is nothing but abject sophistry. Different views are already heard -- and not just in the mainstream media. There have never been more media choices. Nothing -- except consumer resistance -- precludes liberal entry into the talk radio market. But the First Amendment doesn't require people to listen to and support your message.

Liberals had no interest in balance before the advent of conservative talk radio. They don't have any interest in balance now; indeed we're finally approaching a balance: new media versus old media. But to them "balance" means dominance, just like "bipartisanship" means Republican capitulation.

With the Fairness Doctrine liberals would use government to micromanage the content of talk radio, realizing that they simply can't compete on an equal playing field in that medium. Notably, they aren't advocating balancing the messages of the major print or broadcast media giants.

The reason liberals can't compete in talk radio, besides their hosts being boring, oppressively cynical and pessimistic, is that their would-be audience is already fed through the mainstream media.

Conversely, conservative talk has been successful, not just because it is more entertaining, professional and optimistic, but because conservative audiences were starved for a likeminded message.

The liberals' goal is not balance, but to destroy conservative talk radio by requiring that each nano-segment of every show contain the counterbalancing liberal viewpoint, instead of relying on other shows or other media to deliver that viewpoint. What will they demand next: that political candidates present both sides of every issue to ensure balance?

Such draconian hyper-monitoring would destroy those programs. Besides, there is no fair, sensible or practicable way to regulate content. Objectivity is impossible over such subjective matters.

What do the paternalistic proponents of the regulations mean by the representation of "all sides?" Would the terrorist viewpoint deserve equal time? Don't laugh, many believe that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter and liberals routinely sympathize with tyrannical dictators like Fidel Castro and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

What is truly scary is that liberals believe that media outlets predominately presenting their viewpoint are not biased. To them, the liberal viewpoint is objectively correct -- the only proper way to view the world -- and the conservative one, aberrant and reality-challenged, not even deserving of First Amendment protection. Perhaps a slight exaggeration, but not much.

This arrogant mindset is what has troubled conservatives for years. It's not just that the mainstream media has presented a monolithic liberal message; it's that they denied their bias and purported to be completely objective in their selection and reporting of the news and commentary. At least with conservative talk, the hosts admit their bias and are honest about when they are editorializing.

The Fairness Doctrine must be stopped again, dead in its tracks.

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well said, DL
well said here:
"The reason liberals can't compete in talk radio, besides their hosts being boring, oppressively cynical and pessimistic, is that their would-be audience is already fed through the mainstream media.

Conversely, conservative talk has been successful, not just because it is more entertaining, professional and optimistic, but because conservative audiences were starved for a likeminded message."
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Rathergate (the attempt by CBS to throw the 2004 election to Kerry) was SO transparent. Tom Brokaw is smooth and tries to hide his liberalism, but said to Imus in the hall the morning after Bush beat Ichabod/Lurch the traitor windsurfer-- "What a disaster!" The MM is overwhelmingly, unabashedly PC and liberal. A good example of this fact is ILLEGAL immigration. The MM try to depict it as "a concern of the fringe right wing," yet 2/3 of Americans want a REAL crackdown on ILLEGALS. Indeed, when told the actual level of the foreign born now here, 68% favor a halt to ALL immigration:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/back906.html

Fair doesn't mean "equal".
The main purpose of any media is to get government messages out to the people, for such messages are designed to promote the welfare of our society as a whole. Therefore, the government has a strong interest in making sure that certain messages are promoted in all facets of the media, and media outlets have the primary responsibility to ensure that the right information is dissemiated out to the people. The conservative media is failing in its requirement to broadcast the types of messages that the people need to be made aware of because they are focusing on what people want to talk about, not what they need to hear. To combat this inefficiency, the fairness doctrine will make sure the right information is being broadcast even if it done at the expense of advertising revenue for irresponsible radio outlets.

Unlike the description provided by conservatives, the fairness doctrine isn't so much about equal time, but rather it is about ensuring the proper messages get out. It is only "fair" that people are made aware of what is best for them, and conservative talk radio does not do this. For instance, talk radio rants about high taxation, but talk show hosts are failing to mention that such taxation is fair because it sees to it that the rich meet their obligations to the poor. Conversely, supposedly liberal newspapers and televised media espouse the rights that the poor have to a portion of the wealth possessed by the rich, so they are already expressing a concept of what is fair, and thus they are observing the fairness doctrine.

Fair doesn't mean providing an equal balance of ideas. Fair means making sure the right ideas are given adequate broadcast time for the benefit of the masses. If conservative talk radio doesn't like the idea that they have to go to the trouble of balancing their programming, then they can simply elect to broadcast programs that express fair ideas from the start, and as such they will be in compliance with the fairness doctrine.


Dear loyal
So you say "people are made aware of what is best for them" I realize this is only one sentance of your comment but who appointed Congress to make the people aware of what's best for them? Yes they were voted in but that's not to say they know what's best for anyone.

There are 535 members of Congress [House and Senate] and I'm supposed to let them decide what's best for me.

After 40 years of Democrats they knew what was best, 12 years of Republicans did they know? Now Nancy and company from what I see they don't know what's best for me.

For benefit of the masses, give me a break.

The only reason the Democrats want this is because liberal talk radio just can't make it as the Liberal Air Radio just showed.


I heard Congressman Maurice Hinchey
interviewed twice, and he was completely oblivious to the Leftist nature of the MSM.

In fact, he seemed to think that many of them were Right leaning. This tells me that he is extremely far to the Left.

I was very happy to hear Ingraham and Hannity stand up to him and call him on his hypocracy. Sean in particular let himself get mad, unusual for him, but I was glad.

It was clear from the interviews that the Democrats have no intention of going after any other media than talk radio. He claims that the radio are the public airwaves, and I suppose he thinks that TV is not.

Well, I don't have cable TV, and the Broadcast TV is so far left, I can barely watch anything. Isn't that the public airwaves?

Talk radio is were conservatives get to meet, and to assault the medium is like robbing us of our right to peaceably assemble.

It it comes down to it, I would be willing to march on Washington over this issue.

Until conservaties get good and mad, and start fighting back against the wiles of the Lefties, they will continue to erode our rights and grab all the power for themselves.

I see a Supreme Court Challenge
on the horizon, and the Left will have its butt kicked by the Right. When the Left tries to muzzle us, they will have thoroughly stirred up the Conservative base like a hornet's nest from Hell. I dare the SOB's to try it! When they do, the gloves are off, and it's time for yet another serious Constitutional challenge from a political party that sees our Constitution as a convenient buttwipe. The arrogance of the Left never ceases to amaze me. The Left are a bunch of wimpy crybabies who can't defend the indefensible, so they tell Mommy(their legions of Liberal lawyer buddies in the courts whose raison d'etre is to twist and torture our Constitution into all sorts of convoluted pretzel configurations)to shut us up.

Seemingly Nnt up to par, LD.
Usually your pointed satires are much better Loyal Democrat, this one seemed a little bit lacking I suppose.

I'll try my hand at this:

The point of the fairness doctrine isn't really "fairness" or balance in media, it is more about promoting ideologies that are considered fair to everyone.

Conservatives are too busy talking about unimportant issues like illegal immigration, high taxation, individual freedom, the so-called right to do with your money what you see fit, the so-called "Second Amendment", "diversity" of thought, broken inner city schools, and school vouchers, and not spending enough time supporting policies that bring about fairness such as affirmative action, fighting the patriarchy, reparations for slavery, blanket amnesty, tax cuts for the rich, free health care supplied by the government, free abortion facilities supplied by the government, and various other things the government should supply humanity for free.

The fact is, conservatives simply aren't promoting "fair" policies, and the fairness doctrine will ensure that all content of every program in every media outlet will be "fair" to both sides of the debate, the evil rich and the pious poor, the evil whites and the righteous minorities, the evil patriarchy and the virtuous sisterhood. Only by becoming "fair" can we make America a better place, and all other programming should be banned, because it isn't fair to give Americans a choice in programming if that choice doesn't fit the aims of fairness the media should set out to achieve.

Veto?
If this cr*p makes it through congress maybe Bush will veto it. Also, Fox News should not get a pass on this. Although not as bad as the old networks and PBS, they still have a liberal slant in the stories they cover (and don't cover). Funding for PBS should simply be eliminated. Having a government propaganda organization broadcasting to the US population is unconstitutional to begin with and an insult to anyone with any brain at all.

To Loyal Democrat
You are a fool!

Fairness Doctrine
I too heard most of Hannity's interview with this "Congressman". Although I lost the radio signal before the conclusion, Sean asked this lamebrain several times to answer a simple yes or no question: "Are the various mainstream media outlets biased towards the left?" Hinchey would not answer him, going so far as telling Sean that he doesn't get to frame the question in that way. What typical liberal obfuscation!

I'm with Mountain Rose on this one! I haven't been in a good march since the 70's when I was a brain-washed libdolt myself. Fortunately, I entered recovery from liberalism and am doing just fine now, thank you very much!

Had It In Ohio
You've been "had" by our resident satirist.

Try re-reading his comments, only this time imagine someone writing a satire of what a truly indoctrinated liberal would say.

By the way, I am also in Ohio -- near Columbus. You?

I disagree...
...I think Loyal Democrat's satire exactly pinpoints the Lib's approach to this.It is very scary,but they have been doing this for at least 50 years now.

As for Bush vetoing this bill,it will happen when pigs can fly.

to lyal dem
Who is the judge of fairness? Who can objectively "balance" reporting or journalism. What do we need one conservative and one liberal to choose which talk show or MSM is "balanced". This is IMPOSSIBLE! Let the first ammendment prevail, and the people choose what to listen to!!! Not some self-appointed committee to judge what is fit for us to listen to.

vic
You have more faith than I do.

For a so-called 'conservative' Bush's veto pen has been MIA for most of his presidency.

To DavidM
Well I did say "maybe".

pitbull
LOL!

Ye, did not take Der Fuerher long to crank up the plastic shredder and dump Osama Obama in feet-first!

Got the results of the recent Muslim-American survey on my blog. The result will get you out buying more guns and ammo.

Depends on who gets to define...
and enforce "fairness."

If it could be done properly, why not enforce "fair and balanced" at our colleges. Would that not be a revolution!

What would be the standard? The national political ethos? If so, and if it was done right, it could be real progress.

But, it WOULD be done by our politicos - NO CHANCE for anything good there!




To Loyal Democrat
"The main purpose of any media is to get government messages out to the people, for such messages are designed to promote the welfare of our society as a whole. Therefore, the government has a strong interest in making sure that certain messages are promoted in all facets of the media, and media outlets have the primary responsibility"

Your bit of tripe is absurd. I suggest you re-read the 1st Amendment. You will notice that it explcitly forbids Congress from abridging the Freedom of Speech. Your intrepetation stands the 1st Amendment on its head. Media outlets are not here to serve the goverment. Media outlets are not obligated to "protect the welfare of society as a whole."

Media outlets can be held accountable for libel- but libel laws are state laws, not federal. Up until recently, SCOTUS has been defferential to the 1st Amendment even if it supresses some state libel laws. Your apostasy just illustrates how far liberals (and many Republicans:McCain Feingold is a travesty signed by Bush) have fallen.


Elsinore660
The fairness is determined by the free market in radioland.

The leftists can't sell their crap to the public and thus, NO ONE but the moonbats tune-in while people like Limbaugh, Boortz, Ingraham, etc, draw in MILLIONS of listeners who are more apt to buy products that they hear advertised on said popular programs.

Simply supply and demand at work.

WHY is it that when liberals can't get their way in normal processes, they have to resort to passing LAWS to make it MANDATORY?

to GunnyG
And when they can't get a law passed they shop around for a liberal court and get a ruling to override the will of the voter.

It is just affirmative action
Don't you get it. The liberals have been repressed for so long that they need a government system to help give them equal status in the media.

If it works for minorities, why not for the masters of entitlement?

Vic
BINGO!

Look at how the libs in Taxachusettes tried to run the gay marriage bilge by the voters...through a legislative court. Thank God the people caught it and are demanding to be "allowed" to vote on it!

Paul Revere's cry in 1776 was: "The British are Coming...the British are coming!"

Today it would be: "The lib courts are ruling, the lib courts are ruling..."

Tea Party anyone?

Fairness Doctrine?
The Fairness Doctrine is a joke. What we need is a breakup of the Media Conglomerates. Everything you see, hear, and read on Television, Radio, and in Newspapers is owned by a few large companies. This is sickening to think that a small collection of large companies can own everything that influences who you are and what you believe in. The thing that worries me is where you have ownership situations like the History Channel and those other A&E Networks, they are jointly owned between Disney (ABC), Vivendi, and GE (NBC). These guys are supposed to be competitors but it appears that they are working together on many things. I don't want five boardrooms deciding what people should percieve as reality. It is arrangements like this that bring you the Simon and Schuster Book Club which usually populates half of the CBS 60 Minutes news show courtesy of Sumner Redstone of Viacom.

If it gets out of the House
I will predict right here and now that John McCain and his buttboy Lyndsey (sp?)Graham will be two votes to bring back the "fairness doctrine". In fact I would bet there will be enough bipartisian support in the Senate to pass it. To this bunch retaining power is vastly more important than the Constitution.

George W Bush
The problem is easily solved.

If you hear something on A&E for example, that does not jive in your mind, you do your own research on the subject. That way, YOU deterimne what you believe in.

Only libs believe what they see on the Lame Stream Media outlets like ABC, NBC, etc. Think I'm wrong?

How many libs still believe that Bush cheated in 2000, that those memos forged by Dan Blather were real, that global warming is coming because Al Gore says it is, etc?

It's sick
When you combine the “fairness doctrine” with the attempt to turn all bloggers over 500 hits into registered lobbyists, you assemble a case exposing just how deceitful and low the skullduggery goes on the Hill for some attempting the ultimate gag power grab.
These guy would wipe there behinds with the Constitution if it suited there avarice and they do regularly.
It astonishes me that they even try and even more that the public doesn’t crucify them on the capitol steps for even hinting at it.

Title IX
Title IX was supposed to encourage fairness. Instead is decimated sports programs all over the country. Trying to force fairness like this is not the way to go.

The market is balancing the views. There are liberal views everywhere, from the movies, to TV, to broadcast news, to cable news. There are now conservative viewpoints everywhere, on radio and the internet. And most of the internet blogs I find end up liberal, not conservative.

Conservatives fought by expressing their ideas and finding avenues for them to reach their audience. Liberals are now trying to fight by cutting off the conservatives.

Those responding to LD
LD had me going for a while, but I've come to realize that he does an excellent job at satire. Though as Brian notes, he wasn't quite as good today as he normally is. Keep up the great satire, LD.

GunnyG
I know that but I am worried about the sheep. I saw a piece on Waco on the History Channel the other day that was outright government propaganda.

The Media was not always this consolidated, this came out of the Clinton Administration with the Republican Congress, the same marriage that brought us NAFTA. What my A&E ownership example illustrates is collusion, when you have collusion you have an oligarchy that acts as a defacto Monopoly. Mr Limbaugh is insinuating that the Liberals want a monopoly in message, but we already have a monopoly of ownership, why is he not speaking out against Media Consolidation too, why can you not find a decent debate on Media Consolidation anywhere in the news? The answer is because Media Consolidation butters the bread of those big conglomerates and what you have is censorship by the oligarchic partnership. In reality they are not competitors, they are a consortium. This needs to be busted, this is not competition which is the lifeblood of capitalism this is monopoly. Monopoly in media affects the free speech of the nation and how the politically oblivious form an opinion. This is downright dangerous to a supposed free country.

Donaldd
I was gonns slam your post but then I remembered that you are a dyed-in-the-wool unionist and thus, naturally hate a free market and competition.

Simply put. Air America failed because they pushed liberal pablum that listeners DO NOT want to hear. They bashed Bush 24/7 which listeners DID NOT want to hear. They bashed America and listeners DO NOT want to hear that. Thus, they lost ratings, lost advertisers, thus mercifully ending the mental midget AL Franken's access to a mic.

Now, I'm gonna post an idea and see if you can wrap your mind around it.

If liberal's programs are SO GOOD, they WHY do they ALWAYS MAKE THEM MANDATORY?

If they were SO GOOD, wouldn't people FLOCK TO THEM?

The Free Market and the liberals inability to compete within it is the reason for this legislation, nothing more.

Lenin, Hitler, Chavez, Putin
All manage(d) to control and suppress media. How many Germans were totally ignorant of the Nazi atrocities? Until the late 80's, people in the USSR thought they were the most advanced country in the world.

Rep. Hinchey, Danny Glover, Jane Fonda and Robert Redford continue to spew their nonsensical rhetoric and NOT called on it by the MSM. Just how stupid do they think we are out here in flyover territory? The new media IS equal time.

Thank God and Ronald Reagan for Rush, Laura, Sean, Michael and many others who have returned me to my conservative roots and daily expose the Marxist/socialist agenda of the loony left that I'd been suspecting since Viet Nam.

The Genie is out of the bottle and every right thinking person must resist this attack on the 1st Amendment.

Donaldd
"Why do Conservatives Fear this approach?"

Because we fear the destruction of our LIBERTY.

Given that this is one of the few nations in history in which Liberty has ever existed, and one of the very few - if not the only one - in which it has thrived without being seriously threatened at some point (Germany, France, and the UK are all examples of nations which have known Liberty but forsaken it at some point or another), this would seem to be a valid fear.

Re-institution of the "Fairness Doctrine" would be a massive blow to Free Speech - to Liberty.

Question for you, Donaldd: Why do you Leftists fear a free and open market of ideas?

Fairness Doctrine
Maybe we should loudly shout that the fairness doctrine should apply to ALL media -- including the network broadcast channels and print media. Give them a taste of their own medicine.

Donaldd
First, if "Conservative News" is so bad, why do you keep trolling on this site? Could it be so you can get viewpoints other than those at Time, Newsweek, MSNBC, et al?

Secondly, if you want to talk about media lies, try these on for size:

Dan Rather claims that his source on the Bush/TANG rehash is totally reliable...then it turns out to be an anti-Bush partisan.

The major news outlets report, as fact, rumours of rapes and murders taking place in the Superdome during the Katrina aftermath. Just a little checking reveals that there were no rapes and murders at all...but the MSM won't report their mistakes!

The "Fairness Doctrine" shold be renamed the "Hush Rush, Limit Laura, and Silence Sean Act" since that is exactly what the Dems want to do with it.

BTW, I have new stuff at the blog. This is an open invite to all that wish to check it out.

roadmaster
Welcome back to the fold brother.

Kim - Rush/Bush hater
I've heard Rush convert many, many liberals over the years. Know how? They put their preconceived bias aside, bite their tongues and listened for 6 weeks or so. When the actual truth is realized, they saw the light and moved away from the "dark side."

It is doubtful you are good a candidate for such enlightenment, as you are convinced you're already smarter than everyone and get reaffirmed daily by the MSM, who YOU agree with and who reinforces the mental disorder that is modern liberalism. I consider you and them an enemy of the country I love, NOT CONSERVATIVES!!!

Because Rush reaffirms my values and beliefs, and exposes your hypocrisy and aversion to truth, you people HAVE to shut him up.

Good luck. The more libs I hear squeal about the so-called Fairness Doctrine, the phonier they sound.

Gunny G
I never left, except to go to work full-time, with lots of overtime over the holidays.

roadmaster
No amigo, the CONSERVATIVE fold.

Gunny
Well, maybe I did leave for a time, while in a drug induced state in the 70's and hoping to score some hippy chick bootie (eeyooo!). But ya know what? I finally grew up and realized what my "old man" told me growing up, was RIGHT, even though he was an FDR democrat.

Some folks,
such as Michael Savage, see this as a good thing because the Fairness Doctrine would make the liberal shows feature conservative viewpoints.

Here's the rub: Who in their right mind would leave the judgement of what is "fair" in the hands of government? Answer: no one in their right mind. Libs fall into this category.

And, of course, Limbaugh is correct in stating that liberals see themselves as mainstream and would classify themselves as balanced enough to not need another viewpoint expressed. To liberals, Bill Clinton is a conservative and his viewpoint could be used to counter that of Dennis Kucinich.

the ole fairness doctrine
as i was preparing for bed last nite--i heard ole Savage on the radio.--and he says he is not worried one bit about the fairness doctrine BECAUSE he then can also go on the MSM with his comments----it would be halarious to see Savage on the Olberman show for example--yeah--i would love to see ole sourpuss debate Savage--LOL

Kimberly...
...hey babe, you need some attention? What are you wearing? You just sit and look pretty and let the adults discuss these important things.

I would like to think GWB would veto this travesty, what is a clear violation of political speech protected by the first amendment. Simply because its for profit doesn't mean it loses its free speech exemption. However, GWB did sign the campaign finance reform, another unconstitutional piece of muck with Republican and Democrat fingerprints on it.

I would hope that some state legislature would nullify this law, a la Alien & Sedition Acts.

What the liberals do not realize is that this law would kill Air America, what with their current financial problems. No self-respecting conservative would agree to host a show on Air America, and since they wouldn't be able to "present both sides," well, I guess the show's over. But some for reason, I don't think the government would be diligent in enforcing this law.

jcthomasva
"Kimberly......hey babe, you need some attention? What are you wearing? You just sit and look pretty and let the adults discuss these important things."
=================
Good GOD, post a spew alert next time. Just showered my coworker with coffee reading that! (kidding)

the ole fairness doctrine
as i was preparing for bed last nite, i heard ole Savage talking about the fairness doctrine---he is not worried at all because he says if it is adopted then he will be able to go on all the MSM shows. I can see it now--ole Savage on the OLBERMAN SHOW DEBATING OLE STONE FACE. This would be halarious. BRING IT ON

jcthomasva, "Dangerous Dave"
The Leftists realize it. What you're not getting is that THEY DON'T CARE about Air America anymore, they know it is dead in the water. That's the whole point. They tried to compete on even ground with conservative radio, they failed, and so now they are bringing in Plan B, which is to re-establish their monopoly. Because if the Government is deciding what is "fair," do you *really* think it will be fair?

Michael Savage may be a conservative, but he is also a lout, a boor, and a moron. He has good values, but he hasn't got the brain-wattage God gave a mosquito. If he really thinks that views like his would be fairly represented on ABC, CBS, NBC, or - laugh out loud - PBS, then he is fooling himself, which is really nothing new for Savage.

Another point
Don't forget that one of the big movers behind this re-establishment of the Fairness Doctrine is Lord Satan - err, I mean, George Soros.

No, after second thought, "Lord Satan" is an apt enough name for that scumbag.

George Soros, who at the tender age of 14, helped the Nazis confiscate the belongings of his fellow Jews.

George Soros, who helped to undermine the transition of Russia's economy to a market economy before they even got started, and so is indirectly responsible for the failure of capitalism and Democracy in that nation.

George Soros, who famously "broke the Bank of England," and made a billion dollars (I'm not exaggerating) on the misery of millions of people - then turned around and did the same thing in Asia (off the top of my head, I forget which nation).

George Soros is an evil, evil man, and the fact that he is bankrolling Maurice, Jesse, Dennis, Jane and the others in their efforts should tell any clear-thinking adult all that they need to know about this. Having the involvement of Hanoi Jane and "Hymies from Hymietown" Jesse is just icing.

Gunny
Sorry about that. Its almost noon here so I assumed everyone was done drinking coffee for the day, and that I could commence with the irreverent humor without inducing coffee spewing.

Fergus - point taken. Anyone know where Al Franken is coming down on this issue?

tom has it right
Who decides what points are political and what points are just news?

Who decides what side of what argument has just been presented?

If a guy makes a 30 minute speech and spends 20 seconds of it bashing abortion how much time does the guy who wants to support abortion get? 30 minutes or 20 seconds.

The whole idea that you have to control speech to make it "fair" is 180 degrees against the 1st Amendment, not in support of it.

And how do we decide where the middle is?

If you look at the last few elections the Republicans got anywhere from 45 to 52 percent of the vote. Does that mean at least 45% of what the MSM prints and broadcasts has to agree with the Republicans?

What idiot thinks this can even work, let alone be "fair"?


Fairness Doctrine
It means that documentaties on the Holocaust will be followed by rebuttals from historians like David Irving and Ernst Zundel.

wiseone
"what idiot thinks this can even work, let alone be "fair"?"

No one.

Conservatives know it won't work, hence our protests.

Leftists also know it won't work, they never had any intention of it working - at least, not to promote "fairness." What it WILL do, what it is designed to do, what the Left is hoping it will do, is deliver them near-complete control of the war of Ideas, just like they used to have in the "Good Old Days." You know, when Uncle Walt was the most trusted man in America, and when he said that Tet had been lost, that the Vietnam War was unwinnable, there was no one to gainsay him.

That's what the Left wants, not fairness.

wiseone
The all-enlightened and benevolent mother government will determine what is fair to report, of course.

When more cobblestone laid on the path to communism and totalitarianism.

above
Should be "one," not "when" in my communism remark. When I say "one" while holding my nose and mimicking a French accent, it sounds like "when."

The liberals are just getting warmed up
Check out section 220 of Sen 1

Get ready to fight for your lives. This going to be a long 6 years.

Liberal Posters
Ya'll need to quit replying to the liberal trolls. Its like making faces at the monkeys in a zoo. It only encorages them to fling more poo. Also, just saw Fox news touting some cr*p on Global Warming and your "carbon footprint". I'm telling you guys Fox is not the big consevative love fest that it is touted to be.

Vic
I think that it was fergus who said the same thing about the libs a few weeks back. Maybe it was MyOpine.

He called it the "Screaming Monkey Syndrome" wherein liberals show up here, scream, throw poop, and then leave.

I frigging laughed all day think of that.

But you know it's fun to yank their chain and see if you can get the moonbat to go frothy.

PETITION IT
It probably won't help but hit this site and fill out the petition to slap Sen Harry "LAND DEAL" Reid's crapola back in his face.

http://www.grassrootsfreedom.com/gw3/articles-home/articles.php?action=view&CMSArticleID=398&CMSCategoryID=24

Don't just SIT THERE...GET HOT!

roadmaster
Reagan was an FDR Democrat....which shows you just how far left the Dems have moved since FDR.

Fair and Equal are not the same things
Reagan was right to put a bullet in this ridiculous law. I wish we had the man back in the white house and he could have spent at least as much time leaving his thumbprint on America as FDR did with his 4 terms.

Perhaps when we had only 3 networks, a handful of newspaper conglomerates, TIME and NEWSWEEK, and virtually no other avenues from which to get timely news, a rational argument could be made supporting this notion of enforced "Fairness." But even when it was in place, did it result in anything approaching a balanced media that could be characterized as offering both sides of an issue? Of course not. I live in that era. Our news was the equivalent of Henry Ford's choices for Model Ts: you could have any color you wanted as long as it was black.

The last time I checked, most people now have computers with access to billions of websites, 100+ channels on their TV sets, satellite radio, podcasts, electronic newsletters, and a host of other news delivery mediums available to them, presenting not just two sides to issues, but ALL sides.

There IS no unfairness occurring, so why the need to balance? I'll tell you why: because liberals don't understand the difference between EQUAL and FAIR. Fairness is equal access...not equal results. Fairness to liberals is tipping the scales - as in affirmative action - until they get the results they want.

Truth is, the "Big 3" networks still exhibit left-leaning tendencies and that's why the right-wing talkers and FOX are so popular. It's why CNN put a guy like Glenn Beck on the air so they could get a piece of the conservative pie and the ratings it generates.

There's a reason why Air America went chapter 11.

I hope this antiquated idea that treats the media as though we are living in the 1960s will go down in flames, but I'm not holding my breath. With a Democrat-controlled congress our only hope for sanity here is the veto pen of GWB.

on Fox News
I get the impression that their editorialists are conservative and their news hounds part of the MSM. I notice alot of ridiculous stories with inherent liberal spin in them in the regular news casts. These stories are stamped down for some shows, like Hannity or even the morning show.

Its probably nothing more than Fox relying on the AP for leads.

Anybody ever watch Glenn Beck? He's the token conservative on CNN, a sort of Hannity Lite.

Brian
Way to go Brian!
LD can't be real.

Kimberly, Donaldd, et. al.: A challenge
For those who support this ridiculous notion of a "Fairness" law in media, please answer the following 12 questions. Then perhaps we can have a reasonable discussion.

1. Who decides what issues are controversial and what issues are not?

2. Who decides how many sides there are to an issue and which sides merit airtime?

3. Who decides who the spokesperson(s) will be for a particular viewpoint? Who ensures that the chooser is not biased? (as in choosing a particularly skilled person to present their favorite side and a particularly unskilled person to present an opposing side.)

4. How is "fair" measured? Equal time? Equal viewership?

5. Why did Air America go down in Chapter 11 flames?

6. Is there something in our laws that favor a particular political viewpoint or party?

7. Where is the unfairness occurring today?

8. Should media outlets have the right to make programming decisions based in business reality as opposed to an existence solely to satisfy fairness police?

9. In what way is today's world and plethora of media choices the same as when we had 3 major networks and very little choice in our source of timely news and information?

10. In what ways are the right-wing talkers such as Rush, Hannity, Ingraham, and Savage being given unfair advantage?

11. Why does government need to intervene?

12. How do you reconcile this law with the First Ammendment?


The whole notion of this law is as ridiculous as trying to legally enforce that everyone be "nice." It becomes completely unwieldy the moment you try to craft a definition of "nice."

The fairness law was a bad idea when it was enacted, a bad idea when Reagan wisely repealed it, and and even worse idea now because media is so vastly different and diverse in its messages and vehicles. We once had 3 choices. Now we have 3 million. We once had 3 mediums. Now we have a dozen or more.


Bring on the Fairness Doctrine
Let the Marxists try to reinstitute the Fairness Doctrine. It's a double-edged sword. I welcome media in which Al Franken has to share airtime with Rush Limbaugh or Michael Savage. Any conservative talk show host can run logical rings around a liberal. The Left is blind enough, arrogant enough, to miss that point.

Bring it on, it would be entertaining.

GunnyG
Signed the petition.

Funny how I haven't heard much about this proposed legislation in the LameStream Media!!

I'm sure it will be headlining tonight's news!

RichWeb,
I don't think Savage knows what he's talking about. The Libs will annoint thier own mild mannered conservatives to act as a balance.

Also,
Radio programs like Rush Limbaugh, or TV programs like Hannity/Combs can rightly be viewed as entertainment, and not news. The Fairness Doctrine would have to be written so tightly that even entertainment like 24 could conceivably be censored. Writers, directors, and entertainers would not even bother, which what the liberals have in mind. The threat of litigation and bad PR would keep the more "contravorsial programs" off the air.

The other thing to consider is the internet. The Fairness Doctrin would only apply to Television and radio. People like Rush could stream thier programs free of charge. The Libs would have to expand the Fairness Doctrine to include the internet. Thus, sites like Townhall would have to host people like Krugman in order to keep open.

Hopefully, by then the Americans will notice that almost all of the censors are liberals

Primus54
I passed it on via email.

So big brother government
really does know what is best for me! What a relief. It was getting hard thinking for myself for all of this time.
But now, if I am willing to move to NY - they will make sure no resturant serves me transfat. I was too stupid not to make good eating decisions on my own. Now, just in case I accidently don't listen to the correct thing on the radio, they will make sure that no matter what I listen to I will hear the correct information.
Heck, I don't even have to save for retirement on my own, they have taken care of that one too (well, I am a little young, so the jury is still out on this one).
What in the world was I thinking being a conservative all these years! They wanted me to think for myself, make my own decisions, and reap the rewards or the loses of those decisions. That's no fun at all! What if I am wrong! So now, I will have a wonderful happy life, because the government will allow me to occupy my time during the day working. They will raise my kids for me - well at least during the school day. I won't need to get paid, they will probably just take all of my paycheck and just provide the services that I need to have a happy life. I would probably spend the money on the wrong thing anyway.
Well, I guess I will go pray now. Can someone tell me which way to the "holy land" of Washington D.C.? I need to offer thanks to the "god" of my happy life - the great government.

Rush and the others
already give the opposing viewpoint....and then shred it for the worthless drivel that it really is. Fairness achieved!!

Fairness??
One thing David Limbaugh didn't mention is the new bill talks about instituting "Fairness" on anyone with an audience of 500 people or more.

How is this significant? It could restrict blogs, churches and anone else who speaks in public...


Uneccessary
The Fairness Doctrine might have had some justification when the traditional media were the only ones accessible to most people. Why now? EVERY viewpoint gets aired widely.

jcthomasva
I'm sure you didn't realize that MorningCoffee is just my first name. My last name is AndAfternoonCoffeeToo. :)

Michael Savage says "bring it on."
Michael Savage said "bring it on." He is ready to sue to get equal time on all radio stations and TV stations. Considering that conservative spokesmen are brilliant and educated in comparison to the empty headed ditzy "FEELING" types like Cindy Sheehan and Katie Couric and not so bright Wolfie etc. The only question is can a demiocrat ever shut their mouth and allow someone else to speak? If so it is not evident from Columbia University, Cindy Sheehan etc. Can a democrat ever restrain him/herself? Haven't seen it. There is no orthodox practice more picayune than a democrat deciding where someone can smoke and whether there is transfat in someone elese's kitchen.
The dems are such fascists!
I just wonder where it will end. If people shut off the dem programs are they going to insist that we have TV's and radios that don't turn off as in "1984"?
What about other areas of life? Are they going to insist that punk rock radio stations play classical music?
Are they going to insist that there be a clean movie for every filthy disgusting Hollywood drek movie? Are they going to insist that there be intelligent programs on TV instead of the waste matter on TV?
Are they going to inist that mosques give equal time to speakers and educators telling them how wonderful America is in comparison to the hate messages being propagated there?
What about the universities and schools? Are they going to insist on firing 50% of the Left faculty and hiring conservatives who are pro military and pro Israel?
Are they going to fire 50% of Foggy Bottom the state department and replace them with pro-Israel diplomats?
Are they going to replace 50% of the out of their mind loony judges and put conservative ones in there?
Are they going to have speakers at the Academy Awards who say wonderful things about America?
Are they going to subsidize a newspaper equal in size to the New York Times to rebut that old rag?
Are they going to insist that every dog owner own a cat and every cat owner own a dog and they all have to own a bird? What about a lizard and a goldfish? Afterall we don't want to see "DISCRIMINATION!!", do we?
What about listeners? What about people who don't listen to the raidoa nd the TV? Is everyone going to be required to wear a wire and have the democrat crap message piped into their brain? It would have to be done when a baby is born so that the baby would associate the dem crap message with good feelings accomponying drinking its milk.

























Exaggeration??
"To them, the liberal viewpoint is objectively correct -- the only proper way to view the world -- and the conservative one, aberrant and reality-challenged, not even deserving of First Amendment protection. Perhaps a slight exaggeration, but not much."

Exaggeration? No, a gross understatement of the intentional assaults on free speech being perpetrated by the arrogant, intolerant, and tyrannical left to bend everyone to their collectivist will!

I thought ScareAmerica...
..was supposed to be the balance for all the "Right Wing" talk radio. You know, put something out there that "Real Americans" wanted to listen to and it would drive the conservative talk shows under, being a free market and all.

Oh yeah. They tanked.

Well being the good socialists they are it follows that the Left would get the government to do what the people are unwilling to do for themselves. Which would be, listening to the Left.

Answer to number 5
nevadamistermom,

Air America went down in "Chapter 11 flames" because:

1. The hosts sucked.
2. It had lousy material.
3. The lousy material was poorly researched
4. Most important, it used NPR for a business model instead of Rush Limbaugh.

It would never occur to a bunch of libs that if they want to compete with conservative talk radio they've actually got to compete with it. They can't just declare that the liberal segment of the audience is reserved for them.

fairness???
Under the current Orwellian newspeak, anything congress proposes you can pretty much assume the opposite of the title. If they are going to title this “fairness doctrine” you can bet that it will actually be a hush the conservatives and third party candidates bill.

Reagan and the "Fairness Doctrine".
As one who remembers Ronald Reagan's weekly radio messages on KABC radio in the 70's here in Los Angeles, I can assure those not yet born or aware that the then "Fairness Doctrine" was anything but fair.

Reagan's radio message was broadcast just prior to, or during, the Michael Jackson Radio Show. No, not the controversial entertainer, but the South African Born, Liberal Jewish, English accented, radio talk show host who broadcast nationally from Noon-3:00 PM on the East, and 9:00 AM-Noon on the West Coasts. Jackson hated Reagan and ever so suitably made snide cracks about the Reagan broadcast.

It was pure Schadenfreude when, on the day after the 1980 election, Jackson had to contemplate the Reagan presidency. Jackson was barfing blood in the studio. As a Reagan supporter, for me, Jackson's discomfort was extremely sweet and well deserved. By the early 90's, Rush Limbaugh had blown Michael Jackson off the air.

The Fairness Doctrine is a return to censorship and "Newspeak" without any rebuttal at all. It was a shackle on the First Amendment. Even Liberals deserve better.

ROCKYMOUNTAINHIGH
As draconian as this proposed law would be, there are some positives: places like DailyKos and moveon.org would have to abide as well. Can you imagine them giving "equal time" to somebody like Mike Adams or Ann Coulter?

Frankly, I don't see this law as anything more than a symbolic but highly flawed gesture to appease a liberal electorate that can't adjust to the realities of the 21st century and its media choices.

My guess is that this law, if enacted, would make its way to the Supreme Court in short order where it will get nuked.

Stating The Obvious
EVERYONE (left and right) knows that the "fairness" doctrine has nothing to do with fairness and everything to do with suppression of free speech.

It is sponsored by the left because the left opposes freedom and free speech. It is supported now by the left because the left knows that the alternative media has seriously weakened their hegemony over the media and their control over the message in America, thus putting the attainment of their authoritarian collectivist objectives in jeopardy. They know their control of the message is slipping away, but feel they now have sufficient political control/influence to pass this unconstitutional attack on our free speech to reassert their control over the message.

That is why ROKYMOUNTAINHIGH and others who have even hinted that there could be ANY upside to this are so wrong. There will be NO "fairnes," the CNN and NYT and Daily KOs, etc. will not have to give equal time to Mike Adams or Ann Coulter or any conservative. Why? Because CNN, NYT, Daily KOs etc. are already "fair" by leftist standards (except that maybe some of them are not yet quite fair enough to extreme left wing ideas).

So, to state the obvious, the "fairness" doctrine is not intended to be fair, it is intended to control the media and the message by restricting speech that those who control the process don't want anybody to hear. Plain and simple.

nevadamistermom
I don't care what is on daily kos. I do care if little green footballs has to have a bunch of mush for brains as commentators and as readers and commentators.

Original Intent
Perhaps somebody above has already commented on this, but my understanding of the original intent of the Fairness Doctrine, circa 1939, was specifically designed to protect the citizens from government propaganda, in response to what happened in Nazi Germany, Japan & Italy. Under that way of thinking, it probably made sense in 1939, in a typical knee-jerk way.

Isn't it ironic that the Liberals want to reinstate this doctrine, since the likely outcome would be opposite of its original intent?

Fairness; Another leftist 'nuance'.
Just as in everything else in the liberal doctrine, another lie. The trouble is, they are blind to their own lies.

'Choice' means 'murdering babies' (for the good of the masses, * right * Loyal Communist?)

'Alternate lifestyle' means 'perversion'

'Liberty' means 'leftist dictatorship' (for the good of the masses, ** right ** Loyal Communist?)

'Fair and Balanced' means 'conservatives shut up'

The new media has only just managed to put the word out; 'Nuanced' means 'leftist lies' so the left wants to shut them down and call it 'fairness'.

'Fairness' means 'differing ideas can have no voice' (for the good of the masses, *** RIGHT *** Loyal Communist?)

Go figure!

Kimberly: you didn't answer my questions
"It worked for years" is not an answer. It is a statement that is entirely in the eye of the beholder as to what "works" and what doesn't.

Answer my questions. Then we can talk.

Kimberly: more questions
While you are busy answering questions 1-12 that I posted above, I posted several more for you on this page, about 3-4 posts from the end:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=the_ten_commandments_of_charity&ns=MikeSAdams&dt=01/18/2007&page=full&comments=true

Kimbat another Stalinist
Listen here, Kimbat, and listen good. My dad survived both Nazi concentration camps and subsequently Tito's murdering Communists in Yugoslavia. People exactly like you ran these camps and systems. Freedom loving Americans will fight tyrants like you to the death. You can try to overturn the First Amendment but you won't succeed.

Liberals live in a skewed world
For that matter, there are some conservatives who do the same.

However, this is what I've learned talking with the (mostly) liberal social workers I work with and with my brother, whom I love dearly, but is a political idiot. All liberals believe the MSM is conservative and supportive of Bush. How they come to that conclusion watching the same news programs I'm watching, I don't know, but they believe it. They'll explain that MSM is owned by rich corporations who are by nature conservative for the profit motive. Yeah, that's what I was taught by in journalism school in the 80s, but I was also taught by my somewhat nice mix of liberal and conservative journalism professors the other half of the equation. Most media outlets allow their liberal employees relatively free rein because it sells. One of my conservative professors had been a reporter for the New Orleans paper during Vietnam and had covered the war on the ground. He joked in class that he was a glorified fact checker because he would submit stories that he knew to be factually accurate and balanced. His editor, who was a McGovernite, would tank his story, but the facts would show up in some liberal reporter's article with a slightly more liberal bent. George knew that the newspaper's publisher/owner read the paper every day and also read the raw copy, what the reporters sent in before the editors got to it, so he knew what was being done, but he never did anything about it. Why? Because the liberal bent sold newspapers and the owner really didn't care what the ideology being presented was so long as newspaper sales remained high.

But, there's no use explaining that to liberals. I'm wrong. My professor was incorrect. Publishers walk into the newsroom everyday and tell reporters to favor George Bush by calling him an idiot and a swaggering fool and just barely disguising that in their copy. And, of course, the owners step in to help the broadcast staff edit the film footage to show the conservative end of things, even if no real conservative can see it.

I had fun with my husband one night by watching BBC News with him and taking notes. Then I went out on several conservative internet sites and found the "other half" of the story. I didn't win him over completely, but he's starting to see my point -- and he is technically a conservative. So, I think people just don't realize what it is they're seeing. They honestly believe that reporters couldn't possibly be giving slanted news. My husband still wants to know how can they do that if there's a Code of Ethics. I have to point out to him that Ethics codes are voluntary unless made into law and the journalists are not therapists or doctors for any legal agency to care about our ethics.

I think the main problem, however, is with perception. If you're a liberal, you believe certain things about the world, so when you hear things that contradict that worldview, you automatically assume it's propaganda. If you don't go check facts, you're going to go on assuming that. You're also going to remember that the media put out that "propaganda" and assume that this is indicative of a conservative "bias" in the media because anything opposing your worldview just can't be the truth.

The same holds for some conservatives, but I think most of us learned a valuable lesson from the Greatest Generation. When they were faced with the liberal slant in the media during Vietnam and their children buying into that nonsense, they didn't know how to check their facts. In fact, they would have been hard-pressed to do so back then because they didn't have the Internet. So, most of us -- at least the thinking members of the conservative movement these days -- are fact checkers. We get our information from more than one or even a few sources. This puts us in a strong position for knowing what is the synthesis truth if not the pure truth. Most of the liberals I know are unwilling to consider ideas that oppose their worldview, so they won't check facts and look at alternative news sources.

I for one do not want to see a return of the "Fairness Doctrine". I wish news outlets would present BALANCED news, but they stopped doing to so long ago that they don't know how to do it anymore. In that case, I would rather have a dozen UNBALANCED news sources that I can draw from to find a synthesis truth. At least then, I have a change at getting somewhere near reality. If the Fairness Doctrine is allowed to strangle conservative voices, it will mean that facts no longer matter, only perceived fairness, which is not at all fair.

Aurorawatcher: See Liberal Democrat
For those that haven't yet caught on, Liberal Democrat is a conservative posing as a liberal. He did a scathing parody awhile back when Michelle Malkin did a good expose on a NYT story about abortion. LD's was the very first post and it was brilliant:

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/MichelleMalkin/2007/01/03/all_the_abortion_lies_fit_to_print?page=full&comments=true

He frames up in a tongue-in-cheek way why it is OK to slant the news. You see, there's a bigger issue at stake that makes it totally acceptable to be biased as a reporter: to convert the masses to a worldview that you know in your heart is right. The ends justify the means.

Admittedly most aren't so blatant as the NYT reporter, but my fault with many journalists is that they want to pretend that when they put on their press passes, they somehow become unbiased robots that are capable only of gathering and regurgitating facts. They vehemently deny any assertion that there is no such thing as unbiased reporting. They won't admit that their worldviews color everything from what they decide is "newsworthy" to what page the story will run on to who they interview to what language they use to describe the situation.

It is this "centrist" arrogance that is so infuriating.

It reminds me of Walter Cronkite's old sign-off of "And that's the way it is." It would have been far more accurate for him to say "And that's what we've chosen to tell you."

Fortunately today, as you point out, we can do our own homework rather than relying on the Cronkites.


Typo
Last post should be "Loyal Democrat" not "Liberal Democrat"

Kimberly wrote:
"Limbaugh alert!!
Anything resembling a "fairness dotrine" would shut down Rush Limbaugh in his super-biased and super lush radio studio. What a shame! FoxNews would be next to die on the vine, as well as Michael Savage and all rightwing hacks who tote the rightwing bias barge.

What in the name of all that is good and wonderful, would the right do if they actually had to offer legitimate opposing views? Melt? Yes, yes, I believe so."

So what you are saying is that you don't actually believe in free speech when that speech disagrees with your opinion, correct?

As for offering opposing views, all you have to do to get that as DL indicated is pick up the NYT's, switch on CBS News, or listen to NPR. But not satisfied with that, liberals have tried to start radio shows. They failed. No one wanted to listen to them.

I'd disagree a little with DL about why though. It isn't just that their audience already has someone telling them the news the way they want to hear it... liberals number about half of conservatives in this country.

With regard to "truth", you need to be specific. Give us some iron clad examples of lying... not stating opinions that you don't like but rather omitting critical facts or else distorting the facts.

Truth as in say... vetting supposed documents before attempting to undermine a presidential candidate with that document? Or perhaps you mean by reporting fully that the Congressional hero of the minimum wage slipped in a loophole for a company headquartered in her district so they could continue to pay low wages on American Samoa? How about the basic refusal to report the full details about the Clinton aide that stole gov't documents?

The only way I know these things is because conservative new media told the "truth" about them while the leftist media was completely willing to lie by omission or in the case of CBS commission.

The liberal media told us lies for a whole generation. Their lying, especially by omission, requires an outlet that will complete the message. Interestingly, these conservative outlets convey more information and yet you accuse them of "lying".

There was another article written not long ago in the same vein as the book "Bias". The media doesn't gather in secret to make up their playbook. It just happens that currently around 90% of them are far left in their own personal political views... and they hire likeminded people to perpetuate the imbalance. They share a view of the world that is reflected in what they choose to report and how they report it.

Well over 80% of the Washington press corps voted for Bill Clinton. Roughly half of the remainder voted for a left-wing 3rd party candidate. Less than 10% voted Republican or conservative. They obviously believe liberal ideals far more than the average American does seeing that Clinton never received 50% of the vote. In fact, about 17% of Americans are liberal as opposed to about 90% of the MSM. About 35% of Americans are self-described conservatives (with over 50% being conservative or somewhat conservative) but less than 10% of the MSM is.

That is why conservatives appreciate the whole story they get from the new media and talk radio.


BTW
I hope the Dems are like Kimberly. Blind zealots who push this issue to the hilt.

The backlash will cost them Congress and the Presidency... and probably by huge margins.

Alot of people don't like Rush, me included to a great extent. However, most Americans treasure free speech and don't want to see him shut up by gov't oppression.

I hope they try it and the Republicans make it the central issue for the next 2 years.

Question To All
If a network or television station airs a documentary about the Holocaust, should they be required to air a rebuttal by historians like Enrst Zundel or David Irving?

The Left-Wing Bland Mush Doctrine
I actually read about the Fairness Doctrine yrs ago before I ever heard Rush LImbaugh. A book by E. Jay Epstein titled "News from Nowhere" analyzed broadcast news to explain why it was what it was.

That edition of Epstein's book, from the early 1970's, was from the era of the 3 broadcast networks, w/ virtually all radio & TV content except local news provided by the networks, & little access to satellites by anyone other than the 3 networks. No cable TV, no Internet. Part of the reasons Epstein found for the nature of b/c news at that time had to do with technical artifacts such as the big "cable loop" linking the Northeast, Washington, DC, & Chicago." Satellites & access to them, cable TV, subscriber services, thousands of channels, Internet, et al, have surely made all that obsolete. I understand Epstein has in fact issued an updated edition which I've yet to read.

Still other factors include the fact the news business is in fact a business. As Rush said, broadcast news is a packaged product, not something that comes to us by itself untouched by human hands, or human biases & interests. If nothing else, just the scarcity of broadcast news time imposes rationing. RL once said he could prove the biases of any news unit simply if he could quietly observe what news didn't make the cut, or what was edited out of news that did get aired.

He identified regulation, especially the "Fairness Doctrine," as the culprit in blanding-down and discouraging controversy in broadcast content. Station owners had to periodically renew licenses, & the FCC would take into account any complaints about violations of the Fairness Doctrine or failure to serve the public in deciding to renew. Any such complaints were per se difficult to defend against and made the license renewal process much more costly and risky. Therefore stations were intimidated against even testing the limits of "Fairness Doctrine" compliance. Trying to achieve the magical balance of viewpoints was very risky and expensive.

The easy way was to avoid any "controversial" programming at all. It follows logically from the premise of the "Fairness Doctrine" that news from a viewpoint already in the "center" doesn't need to be "balanced".

And guess what? "Controversial" was almost always conservative or right-wing. Almost every threat of "Fairness Doctrine" action on record was against a program deemed too conservative or rightist. The networks and other creative talent spent years quietly creating an alleged viewpoint from THEIR "center", such that news could be reported from their viewpoint without the FCC batting an eye. Their viewpoint was well to the left of the viewpoint of much of their audience, but they weren't called on it. In effect, an artificial consensus was created, mostly accepted by audiences, that "the country's" viewpoint was actually well to the left of that of most actual viewers and listeners. Therefore we can expect skewed, biased enforcement of any new Fairness Doctrine as well.

Lefties will tell you that only a tiny number of licenses were ever yanked over "Fairness Doctrine" violations, but that is a highly disingenuous argument. The very possibility of losing a broadcast license, or even of having to spend big bucks patching things up, severely intimidates license holders from going anywhere near "controversy." They end up toeing the party line in lockstep.

NPR will have to hire 50% Republicans
Maybe we , who oppose government control of media content, should start to remind the statists in both parties that the proposed UN_Fairness policy would force NPR to lay off half its staff and hire 50% republicans... with maybe a token libertarian or two?????

Limbaugh's column above as propaganda...
Beware of conservatives opposing the Fairness Doctrine and having a legitimate discussion of whether shows like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity represent such a brand of bias in the guise of commentary and reporting that it's in need of remedy by a democratic people uncomfortable with subversion on our airwaves.

Liberals oppose conservative talk radio but not because they want to stack the deck in their favor, because Rush, Sean, and their many imitators are so journalistically irresponsible that the graeter public wants to intervene, considering reversion to the longstanding policy in place before Reagan intervened. It wasn't long before Radio NeoCon would pop up in every city and town.

A doctrine would NOT selectively stifle free political discourse, which is essential for our representative government. It would require that broadcasters made a reasonable attempt to provide listeners access to crucial facts representing more sides of issues then just one.

Limbaugh falsely suggests that liberals had a monopoly on the media from 1949 to 1987, a ridiculous notion because that period covered multiple generations of social change and cannot possibly be generalized as such. The news media during this period was closely controlled to support campaigns of fear against communism as the military industrial complex grew to it's present size.

If that's his idea of liberal bias, failing to accurately report the truth about the Korean War, Vietnam War and the Iran Contra affair, then he should take comfort in that liberals and progressives of every stripe feel the media has failed to represent their message during this time.

Conservative talk radio has exploded since repeal, but factor in that radio industry deregulation allowed giants like Clearchannel, Simpson and Infinity to suck up multiple stations in every market and selectively steered listeners into narrower and narrower choices then was possible before the great consolidation.

The conservative viewpoint has fared quite well in the new media, making it an ideal venue for neocon PACS and SIGs to disseminate their talking points to condition people to support policies or vote a certain way. Without divulging that Rush's show is a direct funnel from these partisan interests is irresponsible broadcasting.

I've been listening to Rush for twenty years - he does not present balance in terms of the hard news and full disclosure of facts needed for listeners to make informed, impartial choices. His interviews are one sided, his callers are tightly restricted and his diatribes have been exactly parallel with the day to day actions of guys like Karl Rove, Richard Perle and Bill Kristol in virtual lockstep. Then there are the outright lies, or misstatements never corrected.

The liberal viewpoint does NOT dominate the mainstream media, cable TV, and the overwhelming number of major print media outlets. If so, they would be flooded with reports on impeachment, torture, detainment, rendition, warrantless spying, Abramoff updates, FACA updates, Libby updates, and the Downing Street Memos on a daily basis.

The MSM has hardly been critical of Bush - for years - to the disgust and disappointment of every liberal I've ever met, believing they are fearful of crossing the powerbrokers in Washington for fear their broadcast licenses, mergers or deals will be jeopardized.

Liberals have equal access to new media outlets, though they've had difficulty competing in the marketplace, mainly because their anti-corporate message is distasteful for sponsors needed to compete in commercial radio. When you are reporting on collusion and manipulation by large corporations, they are not likely to buy time on your station, rather they'd rather buy time on stations that infuse corporatism and materialism into their editorial message. I am not complaining about this, it's natural the progressive media should remain un-bought. This is not the issue.

Limbaugh believes a singular liberal message prevails in public broadcasting, but I cannot think of any news and commentary outlets more balanced then NPR, PBS or BBC where neocons appear often to defend their policies.

Conservatives can't stand the idea that they may need to start debating their ideas with more facts on the table. They want to maintain a right to mislead. If I was a radio talk host I would not fear any guest from any point of view getting equal time on my station (or right on my show) and in fact would welcome the opportunity to demonstrate how I felt my views were well reasoned in light of any and all information available.

Rush and Sean know this will destroy many of their arguments because they routinely traffic in vagaries and manipulations. Different views are already heard in the larger, newer media, but as a society, do we want blatantly yellow journalism to go unchallenged in any one venue?

For example, I've listened to Sean Hannity tout the existence of WMDs on his show leading up to the last election, saying "I knew it all along!", trying to get guys like Santorum or George Allen reelected. As a society, do we want claims like this publicized in the absence of reliable proof or an opposing viewpoint? This is the question. Should freedom of speech include mistruths?

Liberals have an interest in balance, believing their arguments would prevaail in transparent debate; but Limbaugh fears to them "balance" means dominance, but I feel it is just a call to correct egregious and unethical manipulation.

With a fairness regulation, government could be uses to contest false claims by liberals or conservative. It could be designed to be the same type of existing protection we have in place for predatory businesses, scams and false advertising.

The reason Republicans can't debate ideas in the light of day, besides their hosts being arrogant lackeys for the military industrial interests and hypocritical prostyletizers, is that their effectiveness with their audience is dependent on their ability to omit the fuller array of facts that would show their ethics to be questionable.

Conservative talk has been successful because it was able to demonstrate influence on elections and polls. I commend Rush for his vision to syndicate his show cheap or free in the beginning as a loss leader to get a toe hold in so many markets. Once he showed he can influence public opinion and elections, he became the highest paid host in the business by far.

You would think such a powerful political voice should be free from the influence of big money, but his core message is all about supporting the wealthy corporations that buy influence in Washington, selling ordinary folks an illusion of homespun moral inclusion, to distract from the reality that the neocon elite is methodically bleeding future generations of taxpayers.

The goal here is simple balance, requiring that enough facts are presented to expose any lies and manipulation, protecting our society from subversive programming so the American people would be much better equipped to make their personal decisions.

Monitoring could be simple enough, with methods put in place to first register complaints of misleading reporting with the show itself, and then their FCC licensee or an industry complaint body if redress is not made.

Failing all these avenues, a government agency could investigate propagandizing exactly as we already do for consumer abuses where advertisements mislead listeners. Responsible shows would never get to this point, simply by addressing the complaints before it had to get to this agency.

You may remember the days of the on-air editorial, where stations gave time to ordinary citizens make brief rebuttals.

Objectivity is impossible over such subjective matters, but a distinction must be made for matters that are not clearly identified as opinion or editorial commentary. In other words, this law should compel Rush or Sean to identify their opinions from fact so as not to distort or lie on the air any more. I could cite many past examples of this. Opinion, if labeled as such, should never be restricted.

I believe representation of "all sides" should be limited to U.S. citizens and that wackos could be filtered by requiring a minimum number of copetitioners or industry review panels.

What is truly scary is how conservatives continue to assert that their presentation of facts in a vacuum is a legitimate way to broadcast. Liberals are wholly supportive of free speech, but the pattern of manipulation demonstrated by Rush and Sean, omitting crucial balance is the problem. This is why more ao many people mistakenly believed Saddam was behind 9-11 during the 2004 elections.

Ethical reporting should voluntarily represent balance and neocons refusal to see how journalistically irresponsible they are is the cause of this problem.

The constant whining by conservatives that the mainstream media has presented a monolithic liberal message is in itself a distortion. But neither neocons or liberals are happy with them, each assserting they are biased against their side. Were this true, Time and Newsweek would resemble The Nation.

With conservative talk, the hosts who shamefully admit they are biased tragically avoid spirited, informed debate when they are reporting and often obfuscate editorializing with statements-as-fact.

The Fairness Doctrine, or something like it, must be discusssed anew. We cannot allow pundits to set up dueling propaganda wars. We are a more enlightened society that can craft voluntary, show-level, station-level or industry-level rules that protect our citizens from either liberal or conservative manipulation.

Short of this, we can invoke truth-in-advertising type enforcement upon each broadcaster that insists on being a modern day Tokyo Rose.



Good Rebuttle Fletch, but ...
as we rational, reality-based people always end up realizing in these debates with (most of) the lefties, facts and reason don't matter. For some, it's a religion, for others, the ends justify any means to attain their power and control. Some of them are narcissistic psychopaths. (There's some of them on the right too!)

To WWJD
"Fairness" is subjective. The networks don't give us all the facts... neither does NYT, WP, Reuters, AP, etc. They edit the facts into a story... and their personal biases directly affect their editorial choices.

The ONLY way to have "fairness" in the objective form is to have all sides and perspectives with the ability to put information out and challenge each other when there is a discrepancy.

It happens now. It did not happen when the Fairness Doctrine was empowered... to include your comments about controlled information/propaganda during the Cold War. One could even argue that America might have been more militant had all the facts been laid out in front of them.

Who is going to decide what is fair? You?

Your NPR comment is an absolute joke. Their "news" or reporting of "fact" is always slanted through editing to create a stage on which the conservative point of view looks bad or else the liberal view looks good. They are more crafty than most but no less biased. IOW's, liberal points of view are reported as "news" while conservative points of view are given as "opinion". Not exactly the fairness I'm looking for.

MSM is not critical of Bush? You've got to be kidding. They began reporting the war was "unwinnable" almost from the start. The NG story was contrived to tank him based on virtually nothing out of the ordinary to anyone who has actually been in the Guard or Reserve. The economy is very strong now historically and compared to the world its absolutely booming... but the media aided and abetted Dem claims this year that the economy is bad. Did you once see them point out that wage gaps are proportionate to what they were in the 90's when new businesses are considered or that the unemployment rates are very close?

You kept repeating that liberals don't dominate the MSM but not once in that long post did you state a proof of it.

As for liberal radio, they didn't have a difficulty with sponsors... they had a problem with listeners. That means that people who tried listening didn't find their point of view worthy... or maybe they didn't find it "true"/reasonable.

GOOD GRIEF... Your post is so full of errors that I can't even keep track of them all so let's just deal with the bottom line.

You spent all that time and basically it simmers down to just a few things. You think liberals are honest and conservatives are not. You think it is "unfair" that conservative opinions are favored... and thus gov't should "do something" about it.

I am still interested in that honesty issue. Can you list some of the things you know are false that conservative commentators have "lied" about without correcting themselves? I'm not talking about opinions or speculation you disagree with... I'm interested in "lies"- the intentional distortion or omission of information with the intent to deceive.


sjt18, good reply...
Thanks for your civility. Here's a perfect example of an right wing radio lie (paraphrasing): Neil Boortz said that all minimum wage workers are teenagers, or something to that effect. He was ridiculed on left wing shows (I listen to both sides) where the correct stats were read (from government sources) but his listeners still may believe that. I'd never heard any retraction.

Another example was in my original post - Hannity had Santorum on repeatedly, claiming he found proof of WMD. He announced all through his show he would be presenting this, saying "I knew I was right all along" several times, hyping it before every commercial break.

You had to wait all the way to the end of the show to hear the call. I listened intently and his so-called "factual" sources turned out to be blank records of truck shipments leaving Iraq that could have been anything, black market oil, refugees, etc. In otherwords it was pure BS flung onto the air by a senator desperately behind in his election bid, without any counter info.

Anyone that couldn't wait to the end and listen intently as I did could have walked away thinking Hannity was "right all along", when in fact he was wrong all along.

If you want more examples, there are entire books dedicated to Rush Limbaughs "lies" though I'd be fine to call them "mistakes that were never corrected".

I know left wing radio may do the same, I don't know of any specific hosts that distort or omit facts as systematically like this but I could name a female host on Air America who I feel is irresponsibly insulting in her tone and opinions.

In your own post, you also show imbalance. You state: "the economy is very strong now historically and compared to the world its absolutely booming"

Now, this is technically true, but is incomplete -- the US overall is economically richer then it was in the past, but, something like $2 trillion has been shifted from the middle class and smokestacked upwards to the wealthiest classes (fact) and I feel this is due to policy (opinion).

I am struggling more now then I was in the late 90s, you might be too. I believe the average middle class American who is told the U.S. economy is "good" may be misled to think they are or should be financially better off, but that lone statement really just means the richest are doing better.The economy of the middle class, the vast majority is doing worse.

If Rush took an informed progressive caller once in a while, this would come out on his air, but he has never allowed any confrontation or spirited debate on his show, the puss.

I appreciate fairness is wholly subjective, but I'm having trouble seeing a difference between bias (which Limbaugh admits) and propaganda.

I appreciate that you think NPR is left slanted, I could even agree, but my original statement was I don't know of anyone in the U.S. media more balanced then them (by PBS I meant chiefly McNeil Lehrer) - I welcome your opinion.

In the BBC I see broadcasts that are so even-handed as to be almost robotic, they are the best I know of.

I have a relative my age who worked for CNN and eventually quit in disgust. It was his job to pull news from the wires for a certain big-name host and he told me in no uncertain terms that reports critical of Bush were quashed every single day - they did not want to make waves for at least the two years he worked there and especially during Katrina.

We can disagree, but we should never be afraid of open debate. That's for other countries.

give radio liars a JAIL TERMnot fairness
What kind of fairness doctrine do think should apply to a national radio talk show host(s) who continually broadcasts MEDICAL mis-information which maims or kills a listener who follows that host's "advice"?

In my opinion the only fairness that would apply
would be a long prison term for the host!

The radio broadcast medical lies continue on a regular basis and the liars think it's a joke. In my opinion, they continue the lies in order to rile up listeners, make their show controversial" and improve their ratings.

If we can't get the FCC and law enforcement to look into this matter., I guess the second best thing we can do is require a DOCTOR to appear on the show and correct the medical mis-information so that the host's regular listeners will be sure to get the medical truth before they make a deadly decision to act!

This is a matter of life and death- not free speech.

I have a one hour tape recording of lies.

Want to hear it?

Sincerely, Michael Corman


WWJD??? Rants
Michelle Malkin has recently referenced David Limbaugh's well considered discussion of the dangers of the left wing effort to bring back the so-called "Fairness Doctrine." In the comments, I noticed a couple of unreasonable rants by someone posting as "WWJD???". They reflect the insidiousness of the Left today. There is no possibility of reasoning with them. They just have to be beaten in the democratic process. I submit that they know they will be beaten, and that is why they seek to impose the Fairness Doctrine.

If "WWJD" stands for "What Would Jesus Do," I think that Jesus would do is to ask that the poster to sto referencing His name for the poster's rants.
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