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Tuesday, November 07, 2006
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
Democrats challenging America's will to persevere
by David Limbaugh
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If you believe the polls, there is a frightening disconnect in American politics today. Polls show that while voters believe Iraq and the war on terror are the most important issues, they are leaning toward restoring congressional control to the party that is too arrogant and disorganized to tell us what it would do on those issues if elected.

Many of us have so often stated that Democrats don't have a plan for Iraq that I am concerned voters are either numb to it or think it's just another Republican talking point. But it is undeniably true.

Democrats have been holding their breath throughout the campaign season, praying they could hold on to an apparent lead by relying solely on their criticism of the president's policies and without revealing their hand on the war.

They had no other issues to run on, since the robustness of the Bush economy became too obvious for them to distort it and their faint toward social conservatism was too absurd to sustain, even with the mini-explosion of isolated Republican "morality" scandals.

They also did their best to avoid national security and the war on terror, knowing that public scrutiny would highlight their unacceptably irresponsible softness on both. Beyond scandalmongering and distraction, their campaign has centered on segregating Iraq from the war on terror, then painting Bush and Republicans as wholly incompetent and immoral concerning the initiation and prosecution of that war.

Democrats have been laboring to make this a referendum on the president's performance in Iraq without regard to what they would do differently.

I'm banking on the voters' rejection of that approach and, to the extent that the congressional elections are nationalized, their refusal to roll the dice on the elusive Democrats. It would be one thing to take a chance on an agenda-less party during peacetime, but it is quite a risk to do so during wartime, especially given this party's well-known propensities against the aggressive prosecution of the war.

Nothing better illustrates the Democrats' duplicity and emptiness concerning Iraq than the manifestly contradictory statements of two of their leaders in the last few days preceding the election.

Congressman Murtha, who probably represents the bulk of his party, reiterated his nauseating, America-denigrating contention that the United States cannot win militarily in Iraq. We must resolve this matter diplomatically, he said, meaning we must negotiate with terrorists, and we must redeploy, meaning withdraw -- very, very soon.

Then, after Senator Elizabeth Dole said that Democrats are content with losing the war in Iraq, Senator Chuck Schumer replied indignantly, "Democrats want to win the war by changing the war strategy."

Now, should we believe Murtha or Schumer? Does Schumer really expect us to believe he has experienced a miraculous, neoconservative conversion, or is he just lip-syncing?

That's a no-brainer: Of course he isn't sincere in saying Democrats want to win in Iraq by changing the strategy in Iraq. That would put him at odds with 90 percent of the Michael-Mooreized Democratic base and with the pronouncements of his party's leadership over the last year.

Dress it up however you like, Democrats are advocating an almost immediate withdrawal from Iraq before the Iraqi security forces are capable of sustaining their nation's security and newly formed government. Democrats have said the mission is not worth American lives and they want out -- yesterday. If this is not what they want, they have perpetrated an enormous fraud on the electorate because that is what they've led us to believe.

Though Democrats don't want this to register with voters until the day after the elections, they want us to lose in Iraq knowing full well that the NIE (National Intelligence Estimate) report of April 2006 said that such a defeat would embolden terrorists and make us more vulnerable at home.

Chuck Schumer can pretend he wants to win in Iraq until he's as blue in the face as he is on the rest of his body, but if he were really serious about that, his party would Liebermanize him, too.

Today's Democratic Party simply cannot be honest about what it stands for on the most important issue of our times. That they are even in the running for congressional control is an alarming testament to the formidability of the pressures working against America's current will to persevere in this generations-long war that has been thrust upon us.

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Democrat leaders and the MSM
should be ashamed of themselves. And they have the gall to say they support the troops. Yeah. And Kerr's "joke" was about Bush not doing his homework. Lame. Want to see how D leaders support the troops? Drop by my blog. Let me know what you think.

If the GOP ever had any sense...
to begin with it would have been showing constant REPLAYS in ad after ad after ad, ad nauseum, showing Dick "Turban" Durbin's comments against our troops and the damaging TREASONOUS effects of the countless re-airings of those remarks nightly on al Jazeera and al Arabiya satellite network shown all across the Arabian Peninsula and most assuredly on Jihad recruiting films. WE MUST TIE THESE REPROBATE CRIMINALS TO THE TREASON THEY HAVE COMMITTED!!!! WE OWE THIS TO OUR TROOPS!!!

Lazy
When is David Limbaugh going to stop his deliberate lies? Oh, how his hatred burns.

"Congressman Murtha, who probably represents the bulk of his party, reiterated his nauseating, America-denigrating contention that the United States cannot win militarily in Iraq. We must resolve this matter diplomatically, he said, meaning we must negotiate with terrorists, and we must redeploy, meaning withdraw -- very, very soon."

If anyone believes this war can be won militarily they are positively stupid. If the war could be won with our military it would have already been won.

Anyone who has heard Murtha speak more than once knows that his argument is that the war can only be wone "politically." Mr. Limbaugh can put a sentence together, so I know he understands the difference between those two words. No, "politically" doesn't suit his purpose, so Limbaugh uses "diplomatically."

I've got a suggestion for Mr. Limbaugh. If he wants to make a difference, how about writing a reasonable column. One that might change opinions. Preaching to the choir while throwing bombs is so very easy. But then, what do you expect? Browsing through his archives paints a very lazy picture. Tune in to next week's Limbaugh column: "Cowardly Dems fail to pick up 60 seats."

It's all very dramatic...
...to frame issues in the most extreme manner. Woe! The end is near! But sometimes the end is near. Not THE END, of course, but some matter of gravest importance. Some matter of survival. The left really does seem to be anti-life. Anti-human-life, that is. They're all for the planet. I suppose. But what loyalty the planet might claim I do not know. Certainly none, over the human species.

The end is near, however -- at least as far as the islamists are concerned. Our end, if they can make it so. What shall our response be? Vote in the Chamberlains and Quislings and Petains who will smoothe their paths?

If I may paraquote myself, from another context:
We do not guard with sufficient diligence that which was precious. Who does not protect what is dear, does not deserve to possess it. If we lack sufficient vigor to protect what is ours, we deserve to lose it. And ours is, overall, a merely inherited blessing. It is not our generation that earned it - and what we will pass on to our sons seems destined to be of less worth than what we received from our fathers. So if we do not launch our own campaign, of self-preservation, then we were right to conspire in a revenge against ourselves. There's an obvious, a self-contained logic to it.

http://forgottenprophets.blogspot.com/2006/05/revanche.html

Not all enemies are foreign. Some are domestic.

http://forgottenprophets.blogspot.com/2006/07/brie-press_09.html

http://forgottenprophets.blogspot.com/2006/06/millennial-gorgons.html

We do not what a civil war (redstates would win! Hooah!) -- it can be avoided. But we do have enemies, and enemies are for opposing. Duh. I'm expecting that we will lose the House, today. Does this mean we'll lose the war? Is it too late?

Whether or not it should have been the first resort, sometimes prayer is the last resort.

J

Seriously
You couldn't have better reading anywhere on Townhall than reading Cynewulf's latest blog entry.

The blogs on TH load slowly, but this one is definitely worth it.

http://exeter.townhall.com/

Don't forget to vote today guys.

The Voter In The Mirror
Part of me realizes that the only way to rid the GOP of the RINOs are for the GOP to lose Congress. For it is RINOs (the REAL ones, the ones who deny being Republican except in name only.)that are hurting the only viable party that can stop the Liberals.

Look at Santorum and Hayworth...both got snookered by the immigration issue...and BOTH are fighting for their political life. (Hayworth's opponent couldn't even get elected to some small time office but is now slated to win Hayworth's seat.) Both believed talk show host Laura Ingraham and the RINO pundits when they told them that the base cared about immigration MORE than the war in Iraq...that cutting spending during time of war was more important than turning the economy around after 9/11.

They spun and you all bought it...and we will probably lose those really good Republicans.

But the other part of me...remembers reading about those who had fought with our men side by side in Vietnam...only to be slaughtered when we left. And the part that talked to Vietnam Vets who told me about coming home to be spit upon and called baby killers.

And of course the first Gulf war...when we left Saddam to mow down a million of his own people who believed us when we said...come fight with us and we will make you free.

I told myself never...never would I stand there and not say something when America is getting ready to turn her back on her allies--and her troops AGAIN...

So...I am here on record to say this to all of you who insists on giving the Republicans a fanny whipping...if the Dems take over Congress tomorrow...and San Fran Nan keeps her promise to cut the funding to the military...when the Iraqi people are once again slaughtered (as they were when we left Saddam in power in the first Gulf war-and as the 2 million Cambodians were killed when we cut and ran out of Vietnam)...I want you stand there and watch them die.

Don't you dare turn away and turn off your t.v. set. Because you KNEW. Nancy told you she and her Democratic run Congress would cut the funding and bring our troops back.

She may not have told you what we'd leave behind...but if you know anything about history, you KNOW. And if you don't have the decency to put humanity above your pet Conservative Utopia dreams, then at least have the courage to face the consequencies of your selfishness and short sightedness.

Iraq
tigerrick, the war in Iraq could be won easily, militarily, if the United States would stop worrying about world opinion and starting using the military as soldiers instead of as policemen.

The half statement
The statement that the Dems don't want to win the war or when Chucky Schumer says he wants to win the war is only a half statement. In oreder for it to be a complet statement you must add something to the effect "only if the Dems get the credit for it".

When a few well known people were asked if they wanted the U.S. to win you could only hear crickets. Later, after they had a chance to reflect and decide that publicly they had to appear pro american, Wolf Blitzer answered in the half statemet, yes, to Mrs. Chaney.

The left has devoted the past 5 1/2 years to making sure the Bush administration didn't get credit for doing anything right. They sabotaged social security reform declaring there wasn't a problem that needed fixing. In the past administration Billy said, after announcing a budgey surplus, that we didn't deserve to get a tax reduction because social security needed fixing, and we wouldn't spend it correctly.

What happened to fix social security? Nothing. See the previous paragraph. If a fix were achieved the credit would have gone where?

If you apply the half statement theory to most of what the Dems say you will have a better understanding of their mind set. They would rather see our troops or social security fail rather than the Rebubs get credit for winning.

Political Payday is here....
Today is the first Tuesday after the first Monday in an even numbered year. As it does in all such cases, that makes today election day. Its all been said and done by everyone and today the people who care to speak get to do so. When day is done, in my opinion, the Republicans lose net 20 (+/-3) in the house, and net 3 (+/-1) in the Senate.

There is a distinct possibility of many charges being voiced concerning possible voter fraud and much of it will sound resonable. It also can be foundation work for actual attempts at election theft. I expect challanges to be made in various senate races, specifically those the media have awarded to Dems, such as Rick Santorum's should Santorum be re-elected. The Democrats really want to take over the Senate and stealing an election isn't anything new for them. They stole the Presidency its self for JFK in 1960...they attempted to steal it again in Florida in 2000 and in 2004 they stole the Govenorship of the state of Washington to name a few.The 2004 governor's race in Washington state was ultimately decided by 133 votes out of 2.8 million cast. After losing two recounts to Republican Dino Rossi, Democrat Christine Gregoire was finally pushed over the goal line by the discovery, during recount No. 3, of several hundred absentee ballots that a faulty scanner had missed. A state judge upheld her victory, despite also ruling that more than 1,600 ballots were cast illegally

If any Senate seat won by a Republican is close enough to give plausible deniabilty coverage, I won't be surprised if recount after recount after recount, etc isn't pursued by the Dems until they get the numbers they want and are awarded the seat. Dems have stolen elections for decades. In Missouri they stole a senate seat for a dead man in 2000. Look to Missouri, Montana, Virginia, Pennslyvannia, maybe New Jersey Rhode Island and Maryland. Should Harris win here in Florida (not likely but desirable) we'll see the Dem hit squads here again. Ohio needs to be on their guard also, and lets not forget Tennessee.. A recent article concerned 77,000 dead people on the active voter rolls in New York...they were 4-1 Democrat voting Dead people. Attempted fraud with 15,000 ACORN provided phony voter registrations has already been discovered in Missouri.. All in all, this should prove to be an interesting day. Consider this...Both sides have lawyered up for Election Day. More than 10,000 lawyers will fan out across the country...... The Democrats alone have more than 7,000 lawyers fanning out all across the United States. Isn't that interesting? 70% of all the deployed attorneys are Democrat hired attorney's.Could it be saying something about the minds of Dem men and things to come? This past weekend, hundreds of those 7,000 lawyers boarded planes for Arizona, Florida, Maryland, Missouri, Ohio and 13 other states, or so states an ABC news story.

A final observation regarding the lefty Dem types that seem to have found their way here. At the end of the day what ever seats the Democrats will have gained will not have been 'won' by you but lost by the Republicans. If thats to deep for you (??) consider a man who found a $100 dollar bill while out walking. He obviously 'gained' a $100 dollars in wealth but he didn't 'earn'that $100 no more than Dem gains in todays election will have been 'won' by them. Somebody lost that $100 dollar bill, and the Republicans lost those seats. You just 'found' them.

It's the roadblocks, stupid
Hey, T-rick. You wrote: If anyone believes this war can be won militarily they are positively stupid. If the war could be won with our military it would have already been won.

The only problems our military has encountered in winning the roadblocks, pitfalls and other deterants set out by your side. The left has done everything they can to demoralize our troops with the added consequence, intended or otherwise, of encouraging the enemy. Our troops have been called terrorists, nazis, torturers and a few other things.

Kennedy, Schumer, Durban, Clinton, Reid and the rest of the gang did everything they could to thwart the troops. Those in safer seats even voted against funding them; that would have been political suicide for all but a few.

They changed the definition of torture to fit the claim we were torturing prisoners both in Iraq and in Guantanamo. This lie was picked up by both the dinasour media and human rights idiots and then al Jezera. Although the military was not allowed to toture prisoners in the conventinal sense of the word, legislation was passed to downgrade what constituted torture.

The claimed the way that electronic data minimg was being conducted was unconstitutional, knowing it really wasn't. They made it sound like the administration had people listening to all domestic phone calls, which they weren't. But shallow minded idiots, like you, believed the lib lies. The same with tracking terrorist funds.

The worst thing that happened to your side was during the middle of the feined indignation over the violation of civil liberties, England foiled a terrorist plot using intelligence gathered by data mining. Your friends in the dinasour media, while reporting the successful action by the brits, did their best to overlook that part of it.

Lib appointed Judges and Dem politicians decided that, for the first time ever, terrorists (combatabts not wearing the uniform of a recognized country) caught in foreign countries should have the same constitutional rights as any home grown crook.

As long as they are not getting hurt too badly the terrorist recuriters will have little trouble keeping the ranks full. If our soldiers were cut loose to do what soldiers do best, kill people and break things, there would be very little fight left in the islamo faciests. In that part of the world actions speak much louder than negotiations. They respect strength not fancy diplomatic speach. Nobody really wants to join a losing side.

If the politicians on the left would just shut up and not worry about what the French think this mess would over. But that would mean giving credit to a Republican and that can't be allowed to happen, no matter what the cost.

Election Day!
The day is dawning and I am only up at this time so I can wake myself up with a pot of coffee before I leave to go open my Precint's polling place. I know it will be a long day, not knowing what is going on in the outside world. On the other hand I am excited to be a part of what makes America great! The people get to speak today and I am hoping that they give Liberals another shocker. I think Mr. Limbaugh is right we will prevail. We must for the sake of our troops in harm's way, for all the babies who will be aborted today, and for a chance to make the RINOs in our party begin to hear the rooster crow and realize they better not dissapoint us again.

As I sit and watch people exercise their voting privilige today, I of course will wonder what is on their minds. I will know most of them, they are friends and neighbors. Most I know are Republican, do they understand what is at stake, and some are Democrat, do they feel abandoned by their party and do they really want our safety and security guarded by the hyenas who want to sell us out, while they go patty cake with the people who want to destroy us.

I believe that God has not given up on us yet, and that He will do what is best, according to His Will. God Bless America!

NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS
YEA RIGHT! I can easily visualize the scene. Let's just for fun and giggles use Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and all card carrying members of the ACLU and place them in a room full of terrorists who have their heads covered with black diapers with only their eyes showing. Now let's image this happy little group carrying on a dialog that was supposed to eventually lead towards ending the war in Iraq, thus allowing all US military troops to return home peace, and Iran and North Korea promised that they will never again work towards the development of obtaining nuclear weapons again. After the meeting everybody goes home, and when our new leaders and representatives arrive home they tell us all that the left way of thinking was right all along, that negotiating with these hooded characters was actually very easy, and it turns out that all these guys that have been running around with those black hoods on their heads blowing up everything or person that got in their way were only doing that because President Bush had hurt their feelings.

Now that the Democrats have established world peace, can't wait to see how their secret plan to stop the flow of illegals into this country works out.

Vote Republican why we still have hope that this country can still be saved and remain relatively safe.

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A little diddy

Good will always prevail, in my humble opinion. I whipped this up yesterday to send to friends...

Freedom isn’t free,
I’d hate not to be
Our forefathers were smart
Be sure to do your part…
Put on that freedom coat,
and Get out and Vote!!!
It's a great Day to be an American!



From a Liberal Thinker...
If control of the House passes into Democratic hands, there are enough withdraw-on-a-timetable Democrats in positions of prominence that it will not only seem to be a victory for our enemies, it will be one.

Unfortunately, the opposite is not the case -- if the Republican Party remains in control of both houses of Congress there is no guarantee that the outcome of the present war will be favorable for us or anyone else.

But at least there will be a chance.

I say this as a Democrat, for whom the Republican domination of government threatens many values that I hold to be important to America's role as a light among nations.

But there are no values that matter to me that will not be gravely endangered if we lose this war. And since the Democratic Party seems hellbent on losing it -- and in the most damaging possible way -- I have no choice but to advocate that my party be kept from getting its hands on the reins of national power, until it proves itself once again to be capable of recognizing our core national interests instead of its own temporary partisan advantages.

If you want the whole thing go to Real Clear Politics and look for Orson Scott Card.

David
Why, you're being so, so provokkkative. Why the ire, dude? Lighten up. Love a little.

"A vote for the Republicans is a vote for our soldiers to keep on dyin'."

My son is a soldier.

Let's see if you're a serious person.

J

Disgusting.Dmathew1
Dmathew1
How the heck do you live with yourself? Jack's son (sorry, if I presume,Jack) volunteered. He probably doesn't expect heroism...he is serving his country. I would give my life again to the military if they would take me(an age thing) and If one of my children VOLUNTEERED, I would be proud to send them. They understand sacrifice and so do I. Even if it meant Death. And I would never place blame somewhere else. Have you served? What would you say if your kid wanted to? You'd probably disown him/her. Or become a Cindy Sheehan(Who,when they demonstrated where I live,paid to have my freedom of speech squashed, and I ended up at the Salvation Army doors, and the local MSM didn't even report that there were pro-war people there. What a disgrace to her son, who also volunteered.)

Poor conservatives
Voting for a congress that spends like a drunken sailor to protect a President from being investigated. Kind of sad.

But also funny.

again...
That you make a mockery of someone you don't even know and you continue on the same bend. Didn't you read Orson Scott Card's column...Those reasons for "staying the course" are written by a fellow liberal. Or do you think he's a DINO because he believes we should be victorious.
At least there is one rational liberal about who can understand the ultimate goal or our role in Iraq. Oh, I forget, there is also Joe Lieberman, who your friends left high ad dry because of his principal.
You still avoid the question of military service. If you are serving or did and you can't admit it, that makes you a lousy coward, like the rest of your lot.

Coward
But, I know Dmathew1, YOU would rather be a slithering coward than a dead hero,anyday and dump all over those protecting your candy-a**?

My apologies to my fellow conservatives for stooping so low, But I am just tired of the BS from this guy.

I cannot imagine...
what it must be like be be dmathew1 or his ilke and have to look a coward in the eye each time I use a mirror. Cowards always try to rationalize a reason, but to no avail...cowards know they are cowards totally dependent on their betters to provide the security and the freedom that allow them to run their mouth. Lips flapping in the breeze powered by puny puckered minds they rant and rant hoping to distract from the fact....they are cowards...cowards...cowards all

Pu$$y ... er, Tiger?rick -
You sound more like a wuss ...
ALL wars are either won or lost militarily. Diplomacy and politics NEVER win a war. All they are good for is staring wars.
Politicians can LOSE a war faster than the military can win one, Vietnam was proof of that.
If we are to win this war, we need to let the military go in and do what it does best - KILL THE ENEMY! Keep the politicians (including the republicans) out.

War in Iraq
will be won only if we have the support of the Iraqis, and unfortunately too many of them think it's ok to kill Americans.
Whether or not I support the war doesn't matter when Iraqis hide the insurgents in their midst and their president protects a thug like Al Sadr.
So pack up your pom poms and go convince the people who can really affect the fight.

Falling from God...
d-Marx-1 wrote: "God has not only given up on the U.S., He has rejected this country and will soon punish it in the most painful manner possible."

If we allow the God hating communists/Democrats & perverts/homosexuals to take over America, God probably will punish us - probably in a manner similar to what the perverts suffered with AIDS.

Bryant69
"Voting for a congress that spends like a drunken sailor to protect a President from being investigated. Kind of sad."

You have missed the whole point. We are voting for a congress who will continue to fight the war on terror, unlike the liberals, Nancy, dingy Harry,
Murtha, et.al. who will endanger all of our lives.

What is funny is to imagine Nancy, Schumer, Ted, dingy Harry after they come out of their meeting with the terrorists to appease them. I can see them now, all headless wonders.

It shows how warped republicans are
that they really believe that Senate Democrats are planning on meeting with the terrorists to what? Surrender to them? Republicans brains just don't seem to work properly.

THAT is funny....
Peppermint writes:"imagine Nancy, Schumer, Ted, dingy Harry after they come out of their meeting with the terrorists to appease them. I can see them now, all headless wonders."

Nyaaaaaahahahahahaha

Bryant
Yeah, just as ridiculous as believing a Dem would meet with he Soviets in the 1980's to work against Reagan. Oh wait a minute, didn't I read something about a book accusing Ted Kennedy...

Kerry made at least one voter turn up
That one being myself--as that video last week angered me greatly, I can now vote AGAINST his party without problems whatsoever!

(as my first time eligibility to vote in US, at least I can use the same method I used in 1984, 1988, 1993 and 2000 Canada elections!)

Kimberly
You could apply dems names to all of your points and come up with the same points you make.
Both parties are filled with corruption.

So, pick your poison. Vote for dems, lose your life.
Vote for repubs, keep your life, then fight to get out all the bums who are corrupt on both sides of the aisles.

Too Funny....
You guys are just too funny.

Looks like your going to loose power because no one believes you anymore, so since you can't persuade voters, you attempt to scare them.

Pathetic, but that's what you get from one party rule. You had all three branches of the Government, you could have actually accomplished something. Did you fix social security? No. Did you do anything about health care other than give another entitlement we can't afford? No. Did you do Tax reform? No.
Did you deal with Lobbying reform as you promised? No.
Did you oversee the Executive Branch, providing a check/balance and protect the Constitution? no.
Did you help the enviroment? No.

What did you do?
Gave alot of our taxpayer dollars to Oil Companies.
Sold out to lobbbyists of all stripes.
Used religious people.
Spent more than dems could have dreamed producing recording deficits.
Lied to us to get us into a war you have no clue how to win.
Allienated us from the world.
Reduced our soft power.
Reduced our military power.
Made us a laughing stock of a nation.

After years of republican rule, 75% of voters are discontent with where we are as a nation.

Yeah, sure you guys deserve relection. What again is YOUR PLAN. More of the same? Stay the course that led us to this happy place? Why don't you complain that republicans haven't given us a plan of any type? If they did and I missed it, what was it?

Sign me,
A fed up Independant who is throwing the bums out@

Democrats, Fake Republicans & Spies.
You have FAILED to convince me to vote for Feinstein & Stark. I am sure we will still be stuck with these two Democrat RUBBER STAMPS but not by any fault of mine.

dmathew1 I have always wondered what that little square thing you guys wear on top of your head dress is made of? And you do know the FBI is watching you now and monitoring your phone calls to Iran?

AND Peoples;
When you watch election returns on TV tonight pay careful attention to the Blue Zones in the various States. Those are the high crime areas where politicians have disarmed honest citizens and only criminals have guns there.
With their blundering foolishness being this obvious you would almost think even a Democrat would be smart enough to see their mistake.

vote Democrat
and here is a good authority on Democrats telling you to do so:

http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/783/1/56/


Hey Guys
Do you notice MANY Democrats are posting gigantic cut&paste nonsense splats all over TH?
That slows TH down and I think this is the purpose.

Anyway to get TownHall to clean that crap off the board?
Can we do it by flagging all Democrat cut & Paste?
There is nothing new in them anyway.
Same old BS posted over & over.

DavidM
Perhaps the libs writing on this site already belong to cpusa. That would explain their nutty beliefs.

MyOpine
"When you watch election returns on TV tonight pay careful attention to the Blue Zones in the various States. Those are the high crime areas where politicians have disarmed honest citizens and only criminals have guns there."

Yeah, not having guns will be real useful when the terrorists are in the streets fighting with us. And all the criminals with guns are sure to defend the libs who let them run loose. Right.

Whoops! There goes more fear mongering.

MyOpine
Sounds good to me. Let's try it and see what happens. It's getting boring reading the same talking points cut and paste nonsense. Why don't they go over to dumbounderground?

adding to what dmathew1 wrote:
"The Republican party is the Party of the Dead Soldier! 3,000 soldiers have already died in vain, but the Republicans will keep on staying the course until 6,000 soldiers have died in vain.

A vote for the Republicans is a vote for our soldiers to keep on dyin'."

*******************

The Democrat party is the party that leaves those who dare to believe in America die...2 MILLION Cambodians...it is the party that called our fathers, brothers, sons "baby killers"...and now implies that our troops are ignorant and uneducated...and unable to win and should leave Iraq and let another 2 million or more to die on our broken promises.

And while I'm at it...let's give the whole picture of Republicans shall we? Republicans are the party that gave two, not one, but TWO nations the Bill of Rights (something that Liberals obviously have difficulty comprehending how huge a deal that is) and got 11 million people to TRUST us enough to display purple fingers.

It is the party who believes in the courage and honor of our all volunteer troops...another thing Dems seem to have real problems with..."volunteer", "courage", "honor". (and oh yeah, ask me if I think that includes Murtha and Kerry.)

It is the party that doesn't WANT to be like Europe or any where else. We LIKE America being number one in military and financial might. We like silly things like parades and serious things like going to church.

And who we are and what we think doesn't depend on what the world thinks is cool or fashionable.

But the real difference between Republicans and Democrats (and any other political group) is that Republicans wouldn't mind if those of you who have no faith in America's democracy and America's people left...politics...the nation.

And don't let the door hit you...on your way out...y'hear?






Why do we Waste our Breath?
The left are total and complete hypocrites, and a bunch of sissies! I say lets get a list going on why the left are hypocrites . . .

1) I may speak for myself, but I do not believe in "global warming" the way the left does. I believe it is climatic, the left believe it is caused by humans. Is there a reason why they still drive cars? Use electric? Shouldn't the left look towards the Amish? I mean in all reality, you contribute to your own cause -- purely by breathing, you are contributing to "global warming". Can you please stop breathing?

sjmiller05
2) the left blows hot air about the US "killing" civilians during wars all over the world, while they find it justifiable to kill babies by the millions right here in the USA with abortion.

The Jimmy Carter Approach to World Peace

.....TH...

.....on January 6, 2004...Dennis Prager wrote a TH article entitled: "Jimmy Carter: Compassion for Mordor"...which explains the Marxists/Racists (Liberal/Democrats) plan for World peace... it is one of the funniest satires I have ever read and well worth the time to hunt it up...

.....go to TH home page and columns by Dennis Prager.....COLOSSUS

Why is it...?
...that every time a "liberal" notion is challenged, everyone such as Kim, Dmathew1, Bryant69 and others seem to get on the defensive too quickly?

Look, Kimberly - Both sides have blood on their hands. Both are dirty. And both sides are aware of it. But you want to focus on the Republicans versus saying, "You know what? OK, we're not clean either. So why not work together to get the job done?"

Now granted, I've only been posting what, 3 weeks now, and I have seen reasonable posts by people. But I find it strange that many of the liberal posters say they want a debate and after multiple invites, do not come and do it.

You don't like the war in Iraq? You think bringing all the troops home and just sit here is going to fix the global situation? As a nation, we have tried isolationism several times. It only delays the inevitable.

Government oversight? The fact that you and many other people (mainly liberals) feel that government oversight is needed to control the government - what does that say about the average person? So we are too dumb to find out what's going on in Congress? Maybe you're afraid because you don't have all the information...??

As a teenager, I really liked the "X-Files"... the truth is out there. Then I became an adult and realized that each of us has a part in this. If you can't trust the government to do its job, then that really makes me wonder what you think is going on? It's a good thing to be informed -- it's unrealistic to believe that any single person has all the information.

DMathew1
In response to your comment that Republicans are just "letting people die," I must ask you:

--Have you served in the military recently?
--Do you know anyone serving?
--Have you been to Iraq or Afghanistan and seen what's going on?

The difference between an informed person and a "know-it-all" is that the informed person knows the limit of their knowledge. To state that Republicans are not aware of the lives that are being given as the ultimate sacrifice to our way of life is unbelievable. And any belief that this statement could be possibly true would not be said by a truly informed person.

..But that's my opinion.

Bryant69...
Now I'm not the quickest guy on the block, but the statement that we are trying to protect the President from being investigated just doesn't make sense.

So you don't think that the administration has gone out of its way already to try and give more information that others? You don't think that the administration deserves credit for going out of their way to provide information, allow the embedding of reporters in Iraq, making classified docs available because he wants you to see that they have the country's best interests in mind?

...but that's not enough, is it? You want to know it all, maybe? I don't think these questions are about the president alone anymore, but the government in general. The funny thing is I heard the similar things when Dems were in control BY liberals and Democrats (please note I separate the two).

Trust and faith are necessary for any team to work. That goes for a marriage, a sports team, a work environment... and our government. And part of that trust and faith, in all of the above examples, includes the fact that you may not have all the facts but still need to do the job. But maybe the idea doesn't even come in that the country is trying to protect information because it would put you, the average American, at risk to know that information. Government oversight is only compounding a problem on top of an existing one. But if your impatience to find all the answers will not believe what I said, I will respect your opinion. I also respectfully disagree.

Thank you for your time.

Must be a full moon.
Try to ignore dmathew1 and donaldd.
They are al Qaeda sympathizers that come on this board to anger Americans.
Their loyalties to the Terrorists are obvious.

Nee................
Once in a blue moon, I run across a liberal who actually thinks for themselves and ignores the Moveon.org talking points. I've been saying this for three years.....You and I can debate domestic policy until the cows come home, but there is one issue that should be off the table politically and that is THE War. There are hundreds of thousands of people out there who want us DEAD.

Negotiate with them? WHAT? I say again, they want us DEAD. We didn't ask for them to attack us, or hate us, and I am still trying to figure out what we did to get them to hate us, but even that doesn't matter...They want us DEAD, and so thay must be stopped, by any means necessary.

I thought there was only one of you out there, being Joe Lieberman, but now I've found another one.

My friend, although we probably disagree on 90% of the issues, you are a great American.

Big Dawg
http://www.obsessionthemovie.com
Click on the PREVIEW button.
Is this what you mean?


This takes a fast link because the video is long.
http://www.AmericanCongressForTruth.org

Donaldd...
I'm glad to see that you have responded. Perhaps our definition of isolationism is not the same. Perhaps you consider it non-interventionism, as you have said in your post.

I'm not sure where you have gotten the notion that Republicans want to make every country a Democratic country, because to my memory the idea of democratization has been mentioned on both sides. And I can agree with you on the classification of those as ideologies.

I guess it's easy to forget that we went into both countries (Iraq and Afghanistan) to eliminate an oppressive government on the people of those nations. These governments supported terrorism with funding, training and safe harbor, terrorists that had already attacked us on our soil. However, once those governments were gone, a power vacuum has now been created. How does it get filled? That's not our choice. That's why interim democracies were set up in both countries, so that they can choose their leadership and the policies that they wanted to follow. Where their governments go from here is up to them, and like we needed help when our government was formed, so are we there to help re-establish a representative government for those countries. While we could leave them to fend for themselves afterwards, would the US be here now if other countries such as France not assisted us in the past?

Glad we can discuss this, I'll check to see if you reply later today.

MyOpine.................
That's pretty much it. I'll spare everyone my true beliefs on what needs to be done over there, because even the conservatives on this board will think I'm a complete right wing nutjob. BUT, I'm discouraged, because we actually have a group of people in this country, who because they hate America, and the President, would put our safety, and our very soveriegnty as a nation on the line. I can't tell if they don't understand the nature of the threat, or they just don't care.

I will tell you this...when I was growing up, we always had the threat of nuclear annialation hanging over our head; then the cold war ended, and that threat went away. Well, now I'm frightened again. They will not stop until we are gone from the earth.

Why do most of the liberals not see that?

Big Dawg
Liberals can't see the danger because they are blinded by lust for power and can't understand the nature of this war.

They think it is like Vietnam where they can just go home and leave the death and horror there.
They do not know the stench of war or what it is like to have their own family killed or maimed, their own home or business destroyed.
Their lives have just been too sheltered.
I HOPE IT EVER REMAINS SO.

USABeliever
You are trying to logically debate with people who TRUELY HATE AMERICA.
They are very spiteful and when they loose the debate they become ungly and start calling names.
I SEE THEM LOOSE AND ABANDON LOGIC EVERY DAY.

FYI

Big Dawg
I am confused...I would not support negotiation with terrorists...I would rather kill them all and let God Sort'em out. I bleed RWB...
Or am I missing some humor?
I did chastise Dmathew1, who has still not answered the military question and I called him a coward for mocking a soldier while they protect his candy-a**.
I also pointed out a column by Orson Scott Card- a democrat by his own declaration who wrote why it was necessary to stay in Iraq. He could not have said it better if he were a conservative.

baseballdoc, myopine, USAbeliever
The best way to treat those idiots is to just ignore them. Ignore them because (a) they are coming off with that bull$hit just to rattle your cage; or (b) if they actually believe the ccrap they are spewing then they are fools and will never get it.

USA Beleiver is Right
USA,you are absolutely correct.We are trying to debate with minds equivalent of a two year old's.
The only thing that DMathew1 has been able to spew(he says we spew, but at least they are facts) on this board all day and anywhere else, is his obvious hatred of Bush and the fact that soldiers are victims of Bush, and soon they will all be "heroes" because of Bush. He says it almost gleefully, and I find that really and truly sad.
But just to set the record straight, here are a few quotes of soldiers and what they believe about the election and what the dems are doing to ruin what is being done.

1. US Marine in Iraq:
...If the Democrats gain even a squeaker majority in the House, I strongly believe we will suffer greatly for it. The Jihadists here have been pulling out all the stops here just to affect the election. A Democrat victory in congress will validate their tactics, and spur them to push harder.
Furthermore, a Democrat Majority will have 3 main goals that will be relevant here. 1)They will throw about investigations and subpoenas like a fire truck throwing candy in a parade. It will be virtually impossible for the executive branch to get any real work done. 2) They will begin impeachment proceedings which, while going nowhere, will further embolden our enemies. 3) They will cut funding to the war in Iraq, in a childish show of control over a Commander in Chief.
If the Republicans win, me and my fellows here will be allowed to continue doing our jobs. In time, all the hard work here will show, and we will win...
2. Marine Sergeant on his second tour Iraq:
...People in the US who want to support the troops, who believe we are engaged in a war, and who recognize the long term consequences of failure need to look past all other issues and vote Republican. Democrats have no policy and can not be trusted. But, even worse, they display no apparent understanding of the dangers to our western civilization presented by the enemy. Their actions since 2001 indicate they are willing to sacrifice the safety and integrity of the USA in the future for short term political gains today.
Ironically, I say this, not as a Republican - (I am Libertarian) - but as a person who recognizes that islamicist fundamentalism is the single greatest threat to our western society in the modern era. I say this as an atheist. I say this as someone who is apalled by the anti-science bias of the Republican party. I say this as someone who doesn't give 2 shits about abortion, suppressing gay-rights, or activist judges. So, as you can tell, the majority of Republican issues are anathema to me, and I still fervently hope they retain control of the Govt...

Partial birth abortions-
Donaldd............

"Killing babies has made Bill Frist & family rich.

Why did Republicans pass the Partial Birth Abortion Ban of 2003 they knew courts would reject?

The Court had already canciled 3 such laws which did not contain rights of mothers with medical or health conditions."

Help me out here. Will you please give one example of a possible medical or health condition a mother would have which would demand the use of partial birth abortion?

Dmathew1 and MyOpine
MyOpine - I know that debating with those that disagree with the common thoughts on this board may not listen, but I wish them a chance to hear something that perhaps they have not rather than learn the hard way. Besides, it allows them to present their side of it to try and understand why they think that way.

DMathew1 - From my understanding, it would seem that the person you mentioned and the MSM are your sources for information as far as things go in Iraq and Afghanistan. It also sounds that the person you mentioned has a bitter distaste for the military after losing his arm up to the shoulder. Do you know why, and would he and you be willing to put that here? I would be interested to hear, and please tell your friend that another veteran both hopes he is doing well and thanks him for serving alongside.

Perhaps you should read the reply I provided for Donaldd. If for even a second you supported going into Iraq to take Saddam Hussein out of the picture, the full scenario should have been also thought about. How many of us said on both sides of the party that Hussein should be removed, he was a threat to us? That was discussed on both sides. But it doesn't just stop there, otherwise there would be a power vacuum. I know that there are plenty of other airmen, soldiers, marines and sailors that disagree with your opinion, and believe that we are doing the right thing by seeing this to the end. For example, SFC LAARNG and Comrade Major both shared positive experiences in Iraq. The majority of people that I know that have been there 3 or 4 times since we went into Iraq also agree.

If you still disagree - that's fine. Maybe we won't see eye-to-eye on it. But at least be aware that the only opinion is not only what the MSM and your friend may say. There is another side - and it equally deserves a chance to be heard. It's not bloodlust or revenge - if you feel that way, where was your voice when troops went to Bosnia or Somalia with support from liberals? (Those problems are still there too, they didn't go away) Or perhaps you forgot that the US military while operating in Iraq continues to support humanitarian efforts, such as the tsunami relief effort? Explain to me why a party that you feel is bent on blood and death would do things like that. It just doesn't make sense...

Re: Soldiers as victims of Bush
Nee,

The entire left has been trying to sell this BS for years. There's just one problem with it. The soldiers support Bush by more than 2-1. In fact, morale in the military is sky-high; way higher than it ever was under Clinton.

Liberals can't grasp the concept that our soldiers volunteer to fight for their country, and understand they may die, because they believe in something other than themselves as the center of the universe. Liberals can't grasp this concept because liberals all think they are the center of the universe.

They also think they are so much smarter, by definition, than anyone who would volunteer for the service that they believe they know better what's happening in Iraq than the guys who have been there.

Donaldd
(Donald Duck?) posted, "No Democrat believes in Isolationism we blieve in trade of goods and services but we also believe in not poking our noses into how governments all over the world run their countries."

So Wilson was wrong in opposing the Kaiser? FDR was wrong in opposing the Nazis? Truman was wrong in opposing the communists in Korea? JFK & LBJ were wrong in opposing the communists in South Vietnam? Clinton was wrong in opposing the anti-muslim forces of Malosovic and the Serbs? Clinton was wrong in defending the Albanians in Kosovo?

Seems like the Dems have a track record of messing with other countries, Donald Duck.

And the Republicans: Lincoln messed with the CSA when they seceded from the USA. Those evil Republicans, started their party in 1856 and started a war 5 years later. Yeah, Donald Duck, those darn Republican war-mongers. Always messing with other countries.

The MSM started the Spanish-American War through the yellow journalism of the Hearst newspaper chain.

The Democrats scream for tariffs on foreign goods. That isolates the USA from foreign trade by making it economically unfeasible for other countries to export to the USA.

The Republicans believe in free markets, Donald Duck. The Democrats are the party of tariffs and taxes.

Go quack your socialist propaganda elsewhere. You're too far below the IQ-threshold on this board.

Moron
r2d2 writes:
Bush NOW admits it is in part about the oil!!!

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Did anyone ever say we WOULDN'T be in Iraq if the country was not sitting the middle of the earth's energy supply center?

DMathews:No more Ancedotal Stories
I served 12 years in the military, which included a tour in Saudi during the 1st Gulf War.Please stop using unverifiable ancedotal stories. Our servicemen do not need your false sense of sympathy - they are not victims, and most of the NONCOMs re-enlist in order to serve multiple tours over there. They also vote over 70% GOP, and they have an instinctive distrust for liberals; especially for those libs who use corpses for political reasons.

Also, no one, I mean no one falls for your faux compassion for the Iraqi people. In a land where thier Baathist leaders murdered 500,000 of them, and where thier current Iranian backed mullahs kill dozens every day, our soldiers are thier only protection. Your faux sympathy for them doesn't preclude you from wishing that we would abandon them just like the Democratic Congress abandoned Vietnam in 1974-75.

If this were 1944-45, people like you would be screaming for Eisenhower's head (while he slept, the Germans launched the Ardennes offensive which resulted in 9,000 dead GIs). People like you would have screamed impeachment because of Iwo Jima (another 30,000 casulties), and Okinawa (an additional 100,000 GI casulties , not to metion 150,000 civilian casulties). People like you would have demanded FDR and Truman's head on a platter.

dmatthew
"The Republican party is the Party of the Dead Soldier!"

For once, I agree. They're called heroes.

HockeyGoon
Thank you for pointing this out.

I doubt there any Republicans who don't understand why the oil must flow, and not be controlled by psycopaths of the secular or religious persuasion.

Okinawa...
Funny that you mention Okinawa... I spent over 6 years there and still keep up with what's going on over there.

Okinawans lost over 150,000 of their own people during the Battle of Okinawa. This fight, which these people were used as a shield by Japanese forces, has caused a bitter distaste for any military presence whatsoever on the island. The popular belief is that if the military was not there, no one would try to attack them.

Don't get me wrong - I love the idea of Okinawa being a center of peace, as they want to be. But to think that a permanent peace will come by simply having the military leave is a dream. I have been trying to explain this to friends that I have over there, and through some good discussion the point came out that they simply do not want to have a repeat of the lives lost during the Battle of Okinawa. I can understand, and I hope alongside them that a day like that will not happen to them again - but it must be balanced with reason and common sense as well.

Why do I mention this? Because like the communist, socialist and LDP parties there, I believe many liberals believe the same thing here in the US. I don't think the average American wishes for death to anyone - but again, it must be balanced with reason. Not everyone thinks the same way. I surely wish it were that way - but it's not.

Bush success = repub defeat
I have yet to see any pundit comment on what I believe is the true cause of this close election. I think dems and indies don't see the danger of what Islamofacists have in store for us. The mere fact that we haven't been hit again makes all the claims that terrorism in general isn't such a big deal, and that Iraq in particular poses no threat, seem all the more credible to those who would prefer it all to just go away. My theory is that if this administration had failed to keep us from attack for 5+ years from 9/11, the "average" American would be a lot less skeptical of the war, and a lot more interested in seeing it through to completion. It's ironic that having kept us safe, may ultimately lead to us being in greater danger in the long term.

PS.: Everybody out there who thinks anyone's rights have been curtailed due to the Patriot act, terrorist wiretaps, data mining, etc., please offer up specific examples with verifiable facts. Otherwise, don't waste my time with your straw man outrage. Live in the real world, not your imaginary one.

And so it starts...
Democrats have gone to court in Tennessee to get some polls ordered to stay open late...

Democrats....in Indiana have gone to court to get some polls ordered to stay open late.

New Mexico Democrats filed complaints in court, accusing GOP callers there of providing voters with incorrect information on polling locations in Albuquerque.

DEMOCRATS in Virginia have filed complaints claiming GOP callers gave them false information on polling locations.

Democrats in Denver have asked a judge to order certain precincts open late.

More to come....


BEWARE OF EXIT POLLS
FAST FACTS ON EXIT POLLING

Election Experts Believe Exit Polls Give An Edge And Sway Towards Democrat Candidates.


National Exit Polls Will Skew In Favor Of Democrats This Year, Due To Large Numbers Of Uncontested Democrat Seats In The House Of Representatives.

EXIT POLLS TRADITIONALLY HAVE A DEMOCRAT BIAS

Exit Polls Give Democrats An Edge:

Exit Polling Always Tends To "Give An Edge To Democratic Candidates." President of Mitofsky International, Warren Mitofsky: "Mitofsky said exit polls have always tended to give an edge to Democratic candidates ..." (John Cook, "Early Exit Polls Overstated Kerry Results, Media Group Says," Chicago Tribune, 1/20/05)

"[Mitofsky] Said That For Reasons That Remain Unclear, Democratic Voters Are More Likely Than Republicans To Agree To Interview Requests From Pollsters." (John Cook, "Early Exit Polls Overstated Kerry Results, Media Group Says," Chicago Tribune, 1/20/05)
Democrats More Likely Than Republicans To Respond To Exit Polls:

October 2006 Fox News/Opinion Dynamics Poll Found Democrats Were More Likely To Respond To Exit Polls Than Republicans.

72% Of Democrats Responded They Were Very Or Somewhat Likely To Fill Out Questionnaire, Compared To 66% Of Republicans. (Fox News/Opinion Dynamics Poll, 10/26/06)


44% Of Democrats Claimed They Were Very Likely To Fill Out Exit Poll Survey, Compared To 35% Of Republicans. (Fox News/Opinion Dynamics Poll, 10/26/06)


Democrats (37%-10%) And Republicans (25%-18%) Agreed That Democrats Are More Likely To Share How They Voted With A Pollster They Do Not Know. (Fox News/Opinion Dynamics Poll, 10/26/06)
In 2006, Exit Polls Skew In Favor Of Democrats, Due To Large Numbers Of Uncontested Seats In The House:

In 2006, There Are Over 40 Uncontested Democrat Seats And 10 Uncontested GOP Seats, Which Will Overstate National Democrat House Vote In Exit Polling. (National Journal Website, http://www.nationaljournal.com, Accessed 11/6/06)



Tinfoil hat dmathew1
OK, you've been a busy little rant-rocket today, haven't you? Whatsa matter - haven't figured out how to work the closeted gay republican angle into this post yet? I'm a little disappointed in you - it flows so effortlessly in other posts.

I think you've had a bit too much Captain Crunch today, and all that sugar is just upsetting your delicate chemical (im)balance. Now be a good little loon and change into some clean jammies before lights out. Better hurry, I hear the medication cart coming down the hallway now! It'll all be better soon.

Dmathew1
Based on your posts today, you have proven everything wrong that you say in your one-liners of your website, and show that you are brewing trouble. I could respect if you wanted to brew debate, but your comments are not based on fact nor have they become reasonable.

"The Muslims have to realize that these Americans who initially claimed to love them ("freedom & democracy for you, courtesy of the US of A") are actually wanting to kill them ("bullets & bombs for you, and if you continue to resist ... nuclear genocide")."

Please Find me the exact quote where any muslim organization or government has been threatened with the use of nuclear force. (I gather you're still in school, so you should know how to cite your reference as well) Otherwise your credibility is about to be shot.

"It is absolutely essential for the Muslims to fight against the American occupiers because America cares only about Iraq's oil and not about Iraq's people. The Iraqis have realized this much already. This is why they hate the Americans."

As we have discussed before, you obviously get your news not from people on this site. You are also apparently not reading the other opinions. This is called trolling - and that would be you.

"The Iraqis who are fighting against the Americans have every right -- legally, morally and politically -- to drive the American occupiers from their land. The Muslims should not passively allow the Americans to kill them while the Americans steal their oil. They must defend their land, their people and their natural resources from America's greed & gluttony. "

Hmm - was it last week where the Iraqi government said that timetables were unreasonable? But you perhaps sympathize with the terrorists and those trying to take down the Iraqi government as well.

By the way, do you have any documentation or research to back your claim that the Iraqi government has promised anything to us, whether it be money or repayment in-kind? Again, cite your resource so I can check it.

"The soldiers who are dying in Iraq are not heroes in the absolute sense. They were sent into Iraq for an evil cause and they have behaved in an evil manner."

Again, this is trolling. And I think that if your "friend" heard what you were posting here, he'd quickly remind you that you're wrong.

"America should bring its troops home and the Muslims should cease exporting oil to the U.S. altogether. China should also cease loaning money to the United States. Finally, China should cease all exports of cheap consumer products to the United States immediately."

This is called isolationism. (Didn't someone say earlier today that no Democrat believed in isolationism, yet this proves otherwise...)

"By taking these actions the world will put an eternal end to American military adventurism and prevent a major act of American nuclear genocide from occurring."

Hey, I get your concern. But Mr. Mathew, I have to question if you even feel you are an American. Maybe you're not. Because even most liberals have the common sense to know that we're not out to start wars or cause genocide.

This from the person that has on his website:
"May the Day Come When All the People of the World Choose to Live in Peace with God, Nature and Humankind.
Until That day Comes I Choose to Live at Peace with All and Refuse to Hate Anyone."

Time to get out of the bubble you live in and see the REAL THREATS that face you. You don't think they exist? That's a scarier thought if that's true.

And the homosexual comment -
Notice that for the most part, even if opposing sides may disagree, the majority of posters avoid the name calling. Obviously this eludes you. I don't know your age, and I don't care. But you still have some maturing to do if you cannot accept other opinions without resorting to this.

Thank you for your time.

Stay the course take 2
dmathew1 wrote:
The Republican party is the Party of the Dead Soldier! 3,000 soldiers have already died in vain, but the Republicans will keep on staying the course until 6,000 soldiers have died in vain.

A vote for the Republicans is a vote for our soldiers to keep on dyin'.

************************************************

The Democrat party is the party of the Dead Civilian!3,000 civilians have already died in the Twin towers, but the Democrats will keep on staying the course until 300 million civilians have died because of vanity.

A vote for the Democrats is a vote for Americans to keep on dyin'

Why the Dems will win
The Dems will win the house today because the American people understand that the Republicans have proven themselves to be totally incompetent when it comes to prosecuting this war in Iraq, and they rightly believe that ANYONE else could do better.

I'll be honest. It's true that Dems don't have a plan to win the war in Iraq.

Do you know why? Because there is no way to win it. We have no good options. All of our options are lousy. And by the way, Bush and the Republicans don't have a plan either.

Unfortunately, the very best possible result over there is that the place calms down long enough for us to redeploy and declare victory, even though it would be a lie.

It would be a lie because PM Malaki's base is the Sadr militia which hates the United States. So in other words, even if Malaki can hold it together, we will end up with a shaky government of Iraq that fundamentally hates our guts. In other words, even if we "win" we lose.

Many people believe that if we leave things will get worse; meaning it will be all out civil war.

But think for a minute: Would that really be the worst thing in the world for us? After all, instead of focusing on killing us, they would focus on killing each other.

It's time to face facts Republicans. This war was a huge mistake that has left us without any good options. If you could stop hating liberals long enough to open your eyes and see this fiasco for what it is, maybe you would see how foolish it is to blame Democrats for not having a plan to get us out of this intractable mess that Republicans created.

Phylo out.

Tipping point
The posts on this thread remind me of the arguments of the commies and German American Bund on december 6th 1941. 24 hours later all of these non-Americans were silent for their own good. If and when things get tough, when the fit hits the shan, when its obvious to a huge majority that America is in a battle for survival, these dissenters will silently slink off to their holes, as the real Americans take over. America bashers will not be welcome.

Phylo le
I think Carter's COWARDICE caused America to be dragged into this Anti-American Jihad but I doubt anything will cause you to look straight at any issue.

Can you look at what a Democrat Cut&Run will do in that area? I mean beyond a bloodbath of people who believed in America and were betrayed?

Think that will help our credibility when we have to go back and clean out the resulting Terrorists Training Camps funded by the World's 2nd largest supply of oil?

How much crowing will you do when America's schools and shopping malls are being blown up by suicide bombers? Do you think Republicans will let you forget that you are the cause of American civilians being killed and maimed?

http://www.obsessionthemovie.com
Click on the PREVIEW button.
Oh, and if you want to cry about my trying to frighten people, YOU ARE DA*NED RIGHT I AM!

(shakes head..)
DMathew1,

While it's been interesting to post back and forth with you today about this, you still don't get it. The posters on this board are NOT the government. That's their opinion, as you are also entitled theirs. But again, calling them names is not going to get their attention nor mine. It makes you appear immature and childish at best.

Secondly, the Iraqi government that was assisted by the US was the interim government. The current government has been elected by its officials and contrary to the conspiracy theories you may be fed or believe, it's their show. When they say it's time for us to go, it's time for us to go. If they say they want to adopt islamic law into their constitution, we don't have a say in that. That was the point.

Your comment of ending a failed and bloody war only talks about Iraq. Your other comments such as trying to tell China not to ship anything here is on a path to isolationism. That's more extreme than even Donaldd, who admits that he solely wants us to not try and impress Democracy on other nations.

I tend to believe then that the actions in Somalia and Bosnia you were against as well. Those were done by your saviors, the Democrats. And leaving there without the job has done nothing to cure the problems.

Again, the problems are there whether we face them or not. Perhaps you prefer peace to the point that you do not care about your nationality. That would not have stopped the Nazis or Imperialist Japanese in WWII. I, on the other hand, love my country. It's worth protecting. So how do you plan on protecting the freedoms you so enjoy? You are GIVEN the ability to speak freely because someone DID DIE for that. Read about American history, see the lives that have been given for you to say such things today. Had you stopped with the Iraq war only, there might have been justification. But your comments appear to be in all wars that the US has been involved in.

If you cannot understand why those who serve have chosen to do so, or you would not choose to protect your rights, then you sir need to reflect on what you feel it is to be American. I'll be back tomorrow to see if you come up with a decent response; however, I expect to be disappointed.

Have a great evening everyone!

Response to Myopine
You're blaming Carter?

C'mon! As much as you don't want to admit it, this war is a Republican war.

And try reading my post again. If you'll notice I already addressed everything you've said.

If we leave it will be bad. If we stay until the government is relatively stable, it will also be bad.

I also addressed the issue of them blowing our malls. If they're busy fighting themselves, they'll forget all about fighting us.

Phylo out.

Pistol
And then when the war is over, we will remember them and deport them just like Fritz Kuhn.

Phylo le pew
I am sorry I addressed anything you you.
I forgot for a moment how you live in a fictional Dream World so far removed from rational thought as to be untouchable by reality.

Typical Liberal.
ANYTHING TO GAIN POWER regardless of who or how many are harmed as a consequence of your inept blundering.
I used to think you people were just uninformed and oblivious of what goes on in this world. Now I see you are uninformed by CHOICE and CHOOSE TO REMAIN SO.

Don't bother to answer.
(Last line omitted)

dmatthews shining ignorance
How does that wool look?

Here is one of the great wartime presidents sitting with arguably the worst murderer in the history of the world:

http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/core/pics/0255/img0039.jpg

If the war was about oil, why don't we use Iraq for all our oil? They are still #5 on the list of countries who supply us.

Was Bosnia UN approved? Did you care about the nobid haliburton contracts under clinton? Do you know we are still stuck in that quagmire?

Do I need to post the littany of quotes of Democrats in the late 90s vis a vis Saddam?

Who signed the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998?

Do you understand we could kill every single Muslim in Iraq had we wanted to?

Are you completely devoted to dhimmitude?

What is with you people?
So what are you saying? If your party doesn't have majority power in all three branches of government that this nation will be attacked and invaded immediately? And if that occures you are not going to fight to repell the invaders? Everyone of you who are claiming democrats would not fight with every weapon at their disposal and to their death if necassary against ANY foreign group who attempted to invade our (yes it is OUR country! Not your's or their's, but OUR's-as in EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN'S!) country know you are lying through your teeth. I have only seen republican's use the term "enemy" when describing their political rivals or anyone else who does not agree with their idealologies and/or policies. I have read about other governments who saw their political opponents and detractors as "enemies". The formr USSR, Germany, China, North Korea, Iran and many, many others throughout history did not turn into totallatarian dictatorships overnight.

Flame me all you want but at least honestly think about what I have written. Remember habeus corpus has been suspended for ANYONE deemed by the current administration to be a danger to America. Now THAT should scare the hell out of everyone!

Pride
It's a Patton thing. We don't go to die, but to kill. Is that pro-death? Yes it is. It's also pro-life. The issue is not simple, and not clear. We are all, and should be, conflicted. I'm not sure where David M really falls, in all of this. Lots of talk about Republicans being bad. Was there something I missed, about beheaders being bad? Nun-shooters? Schoolbus bombers?

No, my heart does not rest easy. My son is in harm's way. I could not survive his loss. But I am unspeakably proud of him. There is a kind of pride, that is good.

http://forgottenprophets.blogspot.com/2006/04/conflict.html


J

R never a D...
...were being invaded by Mexicans everyday and what have the Dems proposed to do besides make them citizens for their vote?

Rose, no child should drown.
It is SO EASY to train small children to swim.
Relatives used to drop children at my summer place in season. It only takes a few moments to teach them to swim in groups of 3 or 4.
When parents don't know the kid can swim it can be a surprise when a 4 year old girl runs across a dock, dives in and swims over to a neighbor's dock.
The expression on her mother's face was priceless!

Pitbull
Just got in from working my precinct polling place today. We had about 53% turnout in our precinct and probably county wide. Early Texas returns are looking solid Republican, even down in Houston, looks like Tom Delay's seat will go GOP. I sure wish Hilarious would lose, guess we will see soon enough!

I had a great day, even working with 2 Dems as my clerks, they are nice folks. Of course I don't know how they voted since we couldn't talk politics at the polling place.

I know that win or lose God's grace will give me much hope for a better tomorrow. I will choose to be optimistic and happy each day that I have knowing that I have done all I can do and give the rest to God. God Bless America!

Pitbull
Yes I can see the diatribe hasn't let up at TH. I wonder if they will still think this election was a referendum on Iraq after the results are in. I would hate to live my life in that state of mind. We need to start tomorrow writing to our folks in office and letting them know what our opinions are.


Pro-Marriage Bills Are Passing
throughout the country. That means that the social conservatives came out in droves today, and the fiscal conservatives stayed home (if they even exist!).

This sends a mixed message. Either the Republicans need to stay socially conservative but move fiscally liberal (since fiscal liberals are proven to exist), or the Republicans need to move fiscally conservative to woe a fantasy constituency that may or may not exist.

I predict a fiscally liberal swing in the Republican party and a socially conservative status quo.

Not too smart of you Bruce Bartlett style traitors to stay home, was it? Now, we don't even know how many of you there were.

Jerubaal,
thanks for the good news (pro-marriage bills).

And thanks for the plug earlier on.

FW & pitbull
Can you help me build a fire under BrianR to start a system for political arm twisting?

I gave him Part #1 of an idea for doing that.
He said he will but hasn't started yet.
Soon as he starts I can give him the rest without publishing it here.

United I think we would be hard to ignore.

I am way to old and not in real great health or I would start it.

mountain rose
Jim parody was a twist on dmatthrew1's post about "a vote for Republicans was a vote for more than the 2000 troops that have died in Iraq..."

Jim's parody stated that a vote FOR DEMOCRATS was a vote for thousands dying at the twin tower (because of Clinton's non action) and many more if we cut and run.

Try reading people's post carefully before you decide to take them on...the biggest problem Conservatives seem to have is they don't know who their opponents are.

Mountain Rose read before you type
I see looking at your tirade that you haven't read my post before getting carried away with the insults.

I liked your statistics but I fail to see why telling me allied deaths in WW2 has anything to do with the DEMOCRAT inability to protect the public in time of war.

I guess parodies much like reading is lost on you. Nevermind.
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