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Tuesday, October 31, 2006
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
GOP can't have it both ways on Iraq
by David Limbaugh
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Does the Republican Party truly believe Iraq is part of the war on terror and that the war on terror is the most important issue facing voters next week? If so, I wish its operatives and candidates would start acting like it instead of running from Iraq and President Bush.

Too many GOP candidates and spokesmen are playing into the Democrats' hands by virtually conceding the Iraq issue -- an issue upon which the Democrats are extremely vulnerable themselves, if challenged.

I know, I know, many readers will think I'm way off base making such an assertion, having bought into the spoon-fed conventional wisdom that Iraq is a guaranteed loser. What is guaranteed is that America will be the loser if we abandon the president on Iraq and abandon the mission there.

I've seen countless Republican politicians sprinting for the tall grass when asked if they support the president's policy on Iraq. Most of them by the way, are incumbents who have most certainly supported Bush's thankless policy but are now afraid to stand by him in the heat of an election contest.

The same holds true for many GOP operatives, not to mention conservative pundits, who are also going wobbly on this difficult war. I watched Elizabeth Dole, chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, on "Fox News Sunday" appearing to duck the Iraq question, saying that people have different opinions about the war as a matter of conscience. She eventually got around to pointing out the inferiority of the Democratic position on the war, but she was quite unwilling for the election to be a national referendum on Iraq.

Given this approach by GOP insiders, what is an inquiring voter to think? If Republicans won't stand by President Bush on Iraq, how can we expect the public to? If Republicans think that supporting Bush on this is suicidal, how much more so will it be if they run from it?

It is pure folly for Republicans to think they can escape accountability for Iraq by dodging it. If the prevailing national mood is to "throw the bums out," which is debatable, why do we suppose that is?

We are deluding ourselves if we think it's because of Republican scandals or the values issue. Like it or not, it's mainly about Iraq. Not only does this nation usually lack the stomach for a difficult and protracted war, the Democrats have succeeded to a frightful degree, through their relentless propaganda, in convincing people this is an unjust war launched by an unscrupulous president.

Republicans can't hide from Iraq or the president even if they want to. But by ducking the issue they are being too smart by half. They not only fail to escape accountability for Iraq themselves, they allow Democrats to escape accountability for the recklessness of their prescriptions (and lack thereof) for Iraq. They permit this to be a referendum solely on the problematic nature of the war and the president's policies in a vacuum, instead of a sane, responsible comparison between the respective approaches of the parties. This is maddening when you consider how vulnerable Democrats are on Iraq.

Only because of Republican fecklessness have Democrats been able to get away with fooling voters -- according to the polls -- that they would better handle Iraq, when Democrats to this day have defiantly refused to tell us their plan. What we do know is that they would pursue some form of precipitous withdrawal. Choose to indulge their euphemistic dodge in calling it "redeployment" if you wish, but the truth is they have given up on the mission in Iraq and would act accordingly if in power. For that, they have to be held accountable.

But how can that happen when Republicans themselves cut and run from the issue, thinking they've somehow dodged a poisonous bullet? Instead of turning tail on Iraq and the president, Republicans should turn toward their Democratic opponents and confront them in a fight over Iraq.

We are at a critical juncture in our history where we must decide whether we have the fortitude to persevere in Iraq or abandon it because it is very difficult. If we choose to bail out in the short run, it will make our inevitable return to this global war that much more painful and difficult at such time it eventuates, which in any event won't be very long.

It would be refreshing to see a little statesmanship here from the GOP's movers and shakers instead of their best efforts to emulate politically opportunistic Democrats -- supporting the war when it's expedient, and running from it and President Bush when it appears that it isn't. Now is the time for true statesmen to step forward and demonstrate leadership.

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Vietnam?
Does anyone remember that war? I wasn't around, but my father spent 6 years there. One of the big arguments back then against the Air FOrce was the fact that the Viet COng were underground, in caves, or hidden in the jungle. Couple that with the crude (by today's standards) technology, and it's obvious that the AIr Force had no prayer of doing anything alone in Vietnam, especially with the press watching.

So what's our excuse this time? Iraq is open, flat, and begging to be carpet bombed. There is absolutely no reason for our troops to be in hostile cities where there are still breathing organisms available to take shots at them. I'm not saying that every town is full of terrorists, but I do think sacrificing a town or two to show what happens when our troops get treated like targets in a shooting gallery would be worth the bad press. People need to learn.

Yes, I'm awful. But I'm pro American to the point that liberal heads explode when I walk into a room. To me, I would rather see 1,000 of their people die than see an American troop get their ear nicked.

I know this war is going to be long, and likely still be aged when my kids are service age.

But I will not let my boys serve in the PC ground military so they can be walking targets for CNN to use as propaganda. To me, the only legitimate uses of the military in Iraq are bombers and Naval gunfire. We should be telling those useless malingerers that they can either get their acts together, take control of the country, or face the wrath of the US Military. And I'm not talking Bush's restrained force. An unused weapon is a useless one, and Iraqis need to take charge. Sure, we can keep forces there to back them up, but they need to take the lead.

And speaking of the military, does it disturb anyone else that a 30 year old, 110 pound, 5-foot nothing woman can be an Air Force Major (the one that got kidnapped)and be allowed to walk around in some third world street market by herself? Huh? WHen I was in the Corps, most of our Majors had gray hair and were walking examples of what a Marine should be. I'm not against women in the Air Force, it just amazes me that one the size of my 9 year old nephew could get that far.


Okay, I'm done rambling.

Getting better... but
While it's nice to see that Limbaugh's seething hatred for Democrats and liberals hasn't completly prevented him from having an original thought, he still has a problem hitting the mark.

Since when has the Democratic message been that the war in Iraq is "unjust?" That hasn't been the argument and it isn't what the majority believes. Iraq has doomed the Republicans because it has been a complete debacle. The public sees the war as one mistake after another. If this is what they believe - and they do - it is only logical to punish the GOP. Why haven't we had any public hearings on the conduct of this war? Oversight is the role of Congress when the country is at war.

The only way to get at the truth is to give both parties political power. The Republicans have refused to behave responsibly by embracing a partisan approach to the war. Yes, it is partisan when a Republican Congress fails to investigate a war conducted by a Republican president.

By the way, the Republicans are reacting to their own internal polls. They know that the "cut and run" baloney is no longer working.

We broke it...
we bought it. Iraq is now our responsibility and if we abandon it now we are not only cowards, but we are fools.
1. Fire Rumsfeld and get someone competent in there, someone who understands the Powell doctrine.
2. Increase troop levels and bring stability.
3. Sit down with Iran, Syria and Jordan and get some d*mn help.
4. Get these incompetents and cronies who have been running the reconstruction project out and bring in someone who can do the job. (you'd be pissed too if you didn't have power 70% of the time)
4. spend the money to train the Iraq police and get them up to speed.
5. if we're still up to our necks in 2008, elect a Democrat to the White House. Only a Dem could go to the UN and apologize for the royal mess this administration has made of region and ask for help.

A failure is a failure
The American people are growing disenchanted with the war in Iraq because they see it as an ever expanding quagmire. Even if we ignore the fact that the original casus belli for war -- WMD -- was farcial, the effort to create a stable democracy is looking grim. So why shouldn't the American people and Republican politicians temper their support for the war? Doesn't leadership require enough maturity to acknowledge failure?

If Iraq is now on the brink of a civil war -- or actually in one -- then the dream an Iraqi democracy is gone and thus calling Iraq a failure just reflects the reality. Should we "cut and run?" If our presence in Iraq is not going to stich the country back together, heal the sectarian divide, and prevent a civil war, then what's the use in staying?

It's better to cut your losses while you can and not hope -- against all evidence -- that losses will magically turn into progress. Hope isn't a strategy.


BORDERS & PORTS IGNORED
How can we take this whole terrorist threat seriously if we don't even bother do what is constitutionally required--protect and secure our own borders and ports. There is no excuse for our neglect, and it projects less than serious intent. This problem is right in our own back yard, remains a major unresolved issue and yet continues to be largely ignored by those who are responsible for national security. That 700 mile fence (what happened to the other 2,000 miles?) which should have been approved years ago will likely never be completed; its nothing more than election-time hoopla and politics.

But if the epicenter of terror is really Iraq, then why didn't we have 500,000 troops over there from day one and go for the throat? Why is Sadr still walking around causing trouble? And Saddam is still alive and giving everyone the finger.

Why are so many of our troops painting schools and hospitals, fixing and securing utilities, retraining an army we tore apart and helping to establish a government, that after 3 elections, is now reinstalling Saddam's old cronies into top government positions while the leaders of the Iraqi police force are being arrested for conspiring with terrorists? Is this what our troops were trained to do?

And because we didn't win it quickly with overwhelming and irrestible force as should have easily been the case, our role has morphed from being a liberator (which everyone loves) into being an occupier (which everyone hates). We are now nation building, an activity that we criticised in the 1990s. We gave Saddam's bunch a year's notice that we were coming, danced the UN's fandango, and suprise-suprise, we found no WMDs. With only 140,000 troops who are also serving as policemen, and with a much too large a proportion of reservists and national guardsmen and too few regulars, we could never make a serious effort to dominate, overwhelm and secure. Let's face it, there are more law enforcement personell in Los Angeles, not counting the rent-a cops. The ineffective way that our troops were used was even less serious. And now we are caught in the middle of a civil war only because we failed to KO up-front. What little effort we made was poorly executed.

We simply can't walk away and cut-n-run. But we can still do it right in spite of the lost opportunity, wasted lives and squandered monies (what happened to all the Iraqi oil that was supposed to pay for all of this?). Let Congress declare war on terrorism and win it. Its either a war or its not a war. Either...or. And we already have seen what its like to pretend. If we can't do that, and we owe it to ourselves and the troops, then this whole sorry fandango is nothing but a waste of our time.




Super90
Ask the UN for help? You have got to be kidding. Or maybe you are just hoping for that first time.

The Big Way

Many of our neighbors (nationwide and including many major government personalities) look forward to seeing the end of the Iraq war and, as a nation, being done with it. Unhappily, they are grievously blinded by dangerous wishful thinking.

It is wrong to think of the Iraq undertaking as a "war". Rather it is a battle in an immensely greater war, the war in which the Islamofacists of the mideast seek to spread their brutal hegemony over the whole western world (to start) with no regard for the cost in human death and suffering. They have made their aspirations very clear.

It is not inappropriate to question whether the present conduct of the Iraq battle is the most propitious way to resist the broad Islamfacist onslaught but we ignore that larger war at the peril of this nation and of much of the world we know.

War is hell; surrender to viciously cruel tyranny is immensely worse.

Influenced elections...
The traitors – the “cut and run” crowd, the defeatists, the appeasers, the apologists, etc. - in our midst have long been giving “aid and comfort” to the enemy. Encouraged by the current anti-war rhetoric, the insurgents in Iraq have stepped up the killing of Americans in an attempt “influence the outcome” of the U.S. elections. The enemy would like nothing better than have naive and indecisive “useful idiots” controlling the legislature and ultimately the White House.

The Islamic radicals are engaged in two types of campaigns – one is involving us in multiple, separate skirmishes in the Middle East and elsewhere, the other through fraudulent propaganda. Much of the propaganda, with the help of the liberal media, is trumped-up lies. They also know that the anti-war crowd in Europe and sadly, the U.S. are unwitting allies who are easily hoodwinked by poor, pitiful, misunderstood, not to mention, peaceful Islam.

WHY NO FORMAL DECLARATION OF WAR ??
Either congress makes a formal declaration of war on Islamo-terrorism, or its not a war. War doesn't have to be declared on a country, certain uniforms or a flag. Nor does it have to be defined by geographical boundaries. War doesn't have to be limited by traditional constraints of the past. You declare war on an enemy committed to killing you even if he knows no boundaries and borders or wares no uniform. Like fighting polio, you fight it everywhere--or you die everywhere. The focus must be on global Islamo-terrorism, not just Iraq.

Life or death...that's what war is all about. Are Islamo-terrorists committed to killing Americans? Are we committed to doing everything within our power to stop them? We know we win when they quit.

War gets declared up-front and from day one, you don't back into a war or "suddenly" find yourself in a war by default. That's an excuse, not a war; that's where we find ourselves today. And excuses are hardly a fast track to any real victory. War should have been formally declared on Islamo-terrorism shortly after 9/11. The response should have been immediate and overwhelming. Victory would have been ours today. Its not too late!

Due to our own lack of will and commitment, America failed itself. Our political system failed us, and now we are all paying the price. And the politicos are still sucking the blood out of America, looking to exploit some advantage at election time. As a nation, we no longer have a focused resolve. A focused resolve based on our own best interests has been replaced by fractured and separate agendas and politics.

America has lost its nads--we have become a nation of all to many one-world, blame-America-first, UN-loving, liberal/socialist, PC-clowns. We are being choked by the misplaced feelings of guilt carried by some among us. We can no longer effectively defend ourselves because we are more concerned about what some observer (and sometimes a troublemaker) on the sidelines may think of us if we administer a bloody nose and a lethal KO. Witness our pathetic year-long U.N. fandango after its 17 failed resolutions over a period of 10 years.

Declare war, 500,000 troops with bad intentions, WIN, secure, apply a few bandages and then go home. But be ready to fight Islamo-terrorism anywhere on the face of the planet. If its not a formally declared war on Islamo-terrism and worth fighting and dieing over, then what the hell are we doing in Iraq or any place else? Have we lost our nads?


Good analysis.
The GOP does not help itself in trying to hide from this issue. While there are plenty of valid complaints and criticisms of this war effort, at least the people in charge are aware that the war must be fought. And at least they are actively prosecuting the war, regardless of any complaints about the tactics being used. The Democrats do not want to finish the war they voted to start, and all their protestations aside, they were fully informed of the intel going in. They were not fooled, nor were thy misled...they went into this with their eyes wide open. As soon as it became politically expedient to abandon the fight, they jumped ship and pretended to be the poor victims of a GOP put up job, which simply is not true.

The GOP, on the other hand are often times a gutless crew that has no stomach for a political fight. They are the ones that stood on the sidelines and allowed the Democrats and the media to seperate the war in Iraq from the broader war on the jihadists.

And hank, while I get where you are going about a declaration of war, that declaration will make this no more a war than it already is. When there is an enemy attempting to kill you, and you are in the field fighting them, that is a war...whether Congress declares it so or not. Besides, what would a formal declaration of war accomplish? The Democrats and their media allies would simply continue in their opposition, while the Democrats got to stand up and trumpet how they courageously voted against going to war...sort of like what they are doing now.

Something you never hear
Just for grins an giggles I'd like to hear the MSM report a couple of things.

First, how many terrorists have we sent to Allah's virgin paradise or captured?

Next, what percentage of them are home grown and what percentage are from the surrounding countries?

I don't think that many Iraqi's are fighting that hard to not have freedom or our troops and engineers rebuilding the infrastructure of the country. But I do think the mullahs from other countries are ginning up the fighters from their mosques. And I do think the heritics, like al Sadr with the support of Iran and/or Syria, are more interrested in taking over the country for themselves than saving souls.

Super90 generally correct
Super90 writes: Tuesday, October, 31, 2006 2:40 AM
We broke it...
we bought it. Iraq is now our responsibility and if we abandon it now we are not only cowards, but we are fools.
1. Fire Rumsfeld and get someone competent in there, someone who understands the Powell doctrine.
2. Increase troop levels and bring stability.
3. Sit down with Iran, Syria and Jordan and get some d*mn help.
4. Get these incompetents and cronies who have been running the reconstruction project out and bring in someone who can do the job. (you'd be pissed too if you didn't have power 70% of the time)
4. spend the money to train the Iraq police and get them up to speed.
5. if we're still up to our necks in 2008, elect a Democrat to the White House. Only a Dem could go to the UN and apologize for the royal mess this administration has made of region and ask for help.

I agree with everything except #3. These countries are the ones causing the problem. Iran especially is attempting to keep us tied down while they build the Bomb. To me this is the great failing of the Bush administration. Not the initial war, but failing to follow up, failing to instill real terror into the eyes of those nations. We should not be enlisting their aid, we should be wiping out their cities or arranging an accident for the Iranian president the next time he flies somewhere.

If there is a war on terror then ACT LIKE IT. The politicians are doing the same thing they did in Vietnam, fighting the war with hand tied around their XXX (to paraphrase Platoon).

Either win it and crush them utterly without hesitation or bring our people home. The hooligans running around Iraq are not worth one more ounce of American blood spilled. Make it count or get out of there.

No one can deny that the market
for ideas and cogent argument resides here. Conservatism IS Diversity. Limbaugh's opinion is an excellent example of the variety of discussion that we are having to make our party stronger. It is no wonder that Reps are the party of ideas, we encourage them.

We do not force blind allegience to the party and we do not shield our bad pols. We do not undercut and betray our loyal party elders who have a different opinion (as the Dems did to Lieberman). While our discussion may be heated at times, we have them in full view. And at the end of the day, we are stronger for it.

Take a look at Camille Paglia's recent interview in Salon: http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/10/27/paglia/ Better yet, look at the utter hatred she prompted by her observations (in the commentary). The 'party of inclusion and diversity' is livid over opinions that differ from the party line.

Take heart, we will prevail.

Sorry forget the UN as well
The UN is collectively a waste of skin. They provide no help to democracies, only dictatorships and terrorist fronting nations.

Two sets of useful idiots now
Tulsamen writes:
"The traitors – the “cut and run” crowd, the defeatists, the appeasers, the apologists, etc. - in our midst have long been giving “aid and comfort” to the enemy. Encouraged by the current anti-war rhetoric, the insurgents in Iraq have stepped up the killing of Americans in an attempt “influence the outcome” of the U.S. elections. The enemy would like nothing better than have naive and indecisive “useful idiots” controlling the legislature and ultimately the White House"

There are now two sets of useful idiots.
1) The “cut and run crowd” who have no conception of how to fight a war on terror, who actively fight against the Patriot Act etc.
2) Blind followers of current policy. We’ve been at this longer than WWII. We are bogged down, being killed for a people who aren’t worthy of washing the feet of our soldiers. We are not fighting to win, only to hold. Iraq is deteriorating, Iran (our real enemy) is about to get the Bomb, either independently or having been sold one by NK.

We are at war. Act like it. Declare war, obliterate our enemies. Quit this Vietnamization garbage. Seal our borders, search the containers. Kill Bin Laden even if it means invasion of northwest Pakistan. Win it and be done.

Iraq & the war on terror
Saddam Hussein gave money to the families of murder bombers. Doesn't that make Iraq part of the war on terror?

Don't fix the blame fix the problem
right_wing2 writes: Tuesday, October, 31, 2006 8:03 AM
Iraq & the war on terror
Saddam Hussein gave money to the families of murder bombers. Doesn't that make Iraq part of the war on terror?


So does Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, and Kuwait.
I don't care why we went to Iraq. I supported that move and the initial conflict. Its the follow up that has screwed the pooch. Don't fix the blame of why we're there-for good or ill we are there now. Fix the problem.

hope

Red Tooth: hope may not be a "strategy," but it's a helluva lot better than the despair and defeatism Democrats are selling.

Iraq Has Lost the GOP its Majority
The 2006 midterms were lost last fall when a strategy to get American troops out of Iraq was not formulated. A Democratic tsunami has formed and many Republicans will be drowned politically. For instance, in the last 24 hours, Sen. George Allen of Virginia has learned that, barring a killing or capturing of Osamas bin-Laden in the next day or three, he will go down to defeat one week hence to his anti-Iraq opponent, Jim Webb.

The current Republican debacle can be laid at the feet of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Donald Rumsfeld and the neo-conservatives. Their foolhardiness in attempting the quixotic, the democratization of the Middle East, has crashed the Republican Party onto the shoals of political catastrophe.

To borrow David Frum's conceptualization of 2003 in his dastardly attack on paleo-conservatives in NATIONAL REVIEW, conservatives should turn our backs on the Bush Administration and the neo-conservative movement. Each are the bitter past. Each offers no future for conservatives.

Iraq
It's too bad the press keeps a scorecard of our dead. It only emboldens the terrorists. Right now USA Today's main headline online is the number of our troops killed so far this month. As another of our brave troops is murdered they change the number like it was a soccer game. We don't need to know about every car bomb.By keeping such a tally, they are giving the terrorists a victory. They know each time they pick one of our troops off, it will be on the front page news. Just think if our media would stop doing that and would start concentrating on our victories in Iraq. There would be so much support from here and it would demoralize the terrorists. They don't report every murder in this country. Check out
http://www.OPERATIONIRAQICHILDREN.org
Kimberly, I highly recommend that you check it out for sure.


Armchair statesmen
The impressive array of differing views on this website is interesting. Many people have cogent arguments on either side. But none but those in high office understand all the difficulties in carrying out a war, fighting an insurgency, or raising up a new society /economy out of years of oppression. The challenges are monumental. When it gets down to it, you have to go with who you trust between the choices you have.

The Democrats have offered no solutions. It's ludicrous to believe that with their current leadership, they could do any better. It easy to criticize. It's another to offer alternative solutions.

The Democrats are the Torries of this generation. They have verbally encouraged and supported the enemy. They don't deserve to lead.

IF WE LOSE IT, WE LOST IT ON MAIN STREET
America lost its resolve and will to WIN right here on Main Street USA. Cut-N-Run politicians, political opportunists, liberals and socialists and an openly hostile main stream media have taken their toll--again. Isn't it funny that these are the very same folks who blocked drilling in ANWR, blocked drilling off shore California, blocked drilling the eastern-Gulf (where China and Cuba now plan a drilling joint venture 45 miles off the Florida coast) and blocked the development of the western slope, who also blocked the building of Nuke power plants and refineries for the past 30-years and who stiffled the development of coal gasification plants are also the very same lunatic crowd who scream that we are in Iraq only for the benefit of Halliburton and the Bush family connections. "Big oil and Bush are to blame."

Its also the same sorry bunch who tore down our intelligence community, weakened the FBI and CIA., prevented agencies from sharing intel and severly downsized our military and defunded many defense projects. They also "voted for it before they voted against it."

This is the same crowd who voted to send a paltry 140,000 troops to deploy in Iraq, paint schools and hospitals, engage in nation building and forming a government while training a foreign army and police force, setting up soup kitchens and acting as policemen all at the same time. A mere 140,000 soldiers/policemen/painters/utility repair men/doctors and nurses couldn't handle the security needs of Los Angeles, forget about Iraq.

Offically declare war on Islamo-terrorism (with all presidential and congressional blessings if we still can), send 500,000 fighting troops (not school painters) to Iraq, execute the trouble makers like Sadr, WIN, lock the place down, secure, apply a few bandaids and then come home. But get ready to war against Islamo-terrorism again and again all over the planet until they quit. The pissant and totally halfassed effort we made to date is an insult to all the troops who died in Afghanistan and Iraq and an insult to all the American people who want to WIN.

Think about it. Just 140,000 troops (including way too many reservists and guardsmen and way too few regulars) and with so many engaged in things for which they weren't trained. That's not even close to 2 Rose Bowls full of soldiers. More people watch two consecutive Tenessee home football from their stadium than we have troops in Iraq. We need to get serious. 500,000 fighters with lethal intentions is serious. 140,000 doing 100 different things is a pathetic side-show that projects a lack of will. 140,000 couldn't even control Detroit. Some "war."


Reality Check

.....Limbaugh...

.....We are in Iraq because we cannot allow Islamo-fascists to seize control of the vast oil fields in the region...

.....this is a strategic desision that any military leader would understand...does anyone remember what happened when OPEC put an embargo on oil during the reign of one of the worst Presidents in our history..."Jimma peanut-head Carter"?...

.....double digit inflation and interest rates...high unemployment...skyrocketing gas prices, rationing and long lines at the gas pumps...finally the people woke up and Reagan rescued us...

.....oil is our lifes blood....our economy depends on it...without it we would plunge into a depression that would rock the world...I think the American people should be mature and intelligent enough to accept the truth...instead of being spoon fed fables about spreading Democracy in a region that has only known Theocratic Dictatorships...

.....it would be refreshing to hear the truth from our leaders for a change...I think most Americans are tough enough to take it.....COLOSSUS

Tulsaman:
"Encouraged by the current anti-war rhetoric, the insurgents in Iraq have stepped up the killing of Americans in an attempt “influence the outcome” of the U.S. elections"

If you look at U.S. casualties by month you'll see that there's no correlation between the number of fatalities and our elections. For example, January of 2005 was a high month (105).

Makes good propaganda though, huh?

Volunteer
For all the Bushies and neo-conservatives who are so gung-ho in forcing democracy down the throats of the Middle Eastern Muslims, why not volunteer for the military. The military is taking almost anybody these days in decent shape. Live your beliefs.

comment for rightwing radicals
Where's the facts????? The British left after 20 years trying to gain some control, and just in case you did'nt notice they are prepareing to leave again. The Russian's left after 8 years, and if you don't read about Democratic response you won't know it.
Our son is in the Air Force and its my belif that anything is better than 'staying and dying' or being armless, handless, legless, blind, deaf or maimed in some other way by IUD's.
How many Iraq's citizens are the same way? (I've heard 8 for every one killed.)
This Adminstration has all but lied its way into a un-winable war.
But if you think its more important to talk politcs I can only imagine that your kids will become of age while were still fighting this war.
Don't be CONed by CONservatives


SUPPORT DEMOCRACY VOTE DEMOCRATIC

KERRY BELITTLES OUR TROOPS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o
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UNBELIEVABLE...I can't get over this Benedict Arnold even though he did it before.

"I voted for it before I voted against it."

On winning:
We've been trying to win hearts and minds for 3 years now. Now it is time to scatter a few.


And as far as these retired generals go, I never believed a thing an officer said because I always knew they were in it to cover their butts until they could retire with their pensions.

KERRY NOW GETTING HAMMERED
IN JUST 10 SECONDS, this Benedict Arnold turncoat tells you all that you have to know about what he and the Democrats really think about our national security and our troops. Its as succinct as his now infamous, "I voted for it before I voted against it."

This is the same guy who claims that our troops routinely terrorize Iraqi women and children in their homes at night. He did this very same thing decades ago and now he is doing it again--his sorry history speaks volumes and tells his whole story over and over again.

"Christmas in Cambodia...seared in my memory."

The families of our troops are now hammering this a$$-shot coward who insulted their sons and daughters as a bunch of loosers. And I bet the Swifties are now all over him too. He deserves whatever he gets. No, this Benedict Arnold deserves even worse.





hank
seems to be thinking like I am. Why are we tiptoeing around? Let's "GIT 'ER DONE!"

LET US NOT FORGET THIS KERRYISM:

“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force–if necessary–to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”

Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
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Is what he just RECENTLY said (above in earlier posts) a brain-dead total 180 flip-flop from his 2002 statement or what? And now let's wait for the DNC to tell us what Kerry really said and what he really meant--damage control is in full operating mode now. This is going to cost the Dems bigtime next week. The guy is a moron.

Achieve our goals
One wonders when we will ever achieve our goals if we ever knew clearly what those goals were since they either keep changing or they are never defined. At first there were the four reasons for going to war. Those were achieved in less than a year, but we stayed on as new goals were announced, spreading Democracy in the Middle East. But since this now seems all but impossible we seem to have the goal of a stable government and security in Iraq. Just today we were ordered by the Iraqi government to abandon our checkpoints around Sadr City and we complied to the jubilation of the Mahdi army. So it becomes clear that there will be a partial central government in Iraq as long as they play along with strongmen warlords like Sheik Al Sadr. That seems very familiar. Just like in Afghanistan we have esablished a central government which only controls the parts of the country not controlled by tribal warlords. So are we supposed to stay in those countries forever combatting local factions who have thousands of years of traditional tribal customs behind their way of life? We should have known all of these things and prepared for them if there ever was a reason to invade Iraq and the reasons for going to war should be crystal clear and not based on beating the war drums to a people and congress ridden with fear. Our strategy should be devised with the cool calculations of a Grandmaster Chess Champion not with emotional platitudes or we will forever walk into the quicksand of a Viet Nam or an Iraq. The best thing to do would be to assess the war against Islamic terror and devise a comprehensive plan to defeat it based on a plan that includes many more allies than we have and such things as economic pressures as well as the use of the military, but only where there is no other choice and only with the cooperation of our allies unless our country's security really is in immediate danger which we were told was the case in Iraq and which though majority of Ameicans did believe, I never beleived for even a second. The power of economic pressure has been shown by banks withholding money from Hamas. But before we devise a strategy we must stop saying in public how peaceful Islam is and have an honest debate on what is going on in the Muslim world and who we can depend on as true allies from that world and who are really wolves in sheep's clothing.

VOTE:
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU CAN DO FOR GOD, FAMILY AND COUNTRY


IS TO VOTE!!!


Not just when you have the time to do it, but at every opportunity that is given to you to do it.

If you do not vote, you are leaving your, and your families, fate in the hands of others. A low turnout on Election Day means that a fervent, well organized minority point of view can easily win and push this nation in a direction it might not want to go. The Iraqi people recognized this when 12 million people (almost 80% of the registered voters) faced threats of death from just such a fervent “terrorist” group and voted for democracy; a concept they didn’t quite understand but knew that its liberties would be far better than the tyranny that such a minority group would establish, given the chance.

So when you vote, make sure you know for what you are voting, and the repercussions that might result from an uninformed decision. Find time to study the issues and be committed to them before you choose. Know what groups have opinions and beliefs similar to yours and see what their recommendations on the issues are. Conversely, see what the opinions of those groups you oppose are and study their recommendations, then cast your vote wisely.

He mis-spoke again
Kerry, as usual, stuck his silver foot in his mouth. He intended to say that if you aren't born into the right family you end up in Iraq instead of France. I'm sure his staff will qualify or restate the statement soon.


Donalddduuuu
"After WW-II troops were held in Germany to protect Europe from Russia because of the Cold War. Reagan ended the Cold War; Why are our troops still occuping Germany and most other nations American troops have helped in time of war?

Ask Abe Lincoln; it's his policy. "Lincoln's Martial Law"."

That darn Lincoln. If it wasn't for him we'd all be better off, wouldn't we? He just keeps getting in the way of the Demoncrat agenda to this day. Just ask Robert Byrd.


hank
I studied Kerry so thoroughly a couple of years ago, because some liberal friends became so vicious when I said that I could not vote for anyone who had said what he said and had done what he had done to defame my brother who was still in 'Nam and died shortly after Kerry spewed his venom in the Senate. I printed everything I thought was truthful and relevant and gave a huge notebook of Dirt on Kerry to a fried who was the REAL Sgt. Major portrayed in Mel Gibson's movie WE WERE SOLDIERS. I found the FBI files on Kerry at http://www.wintersoldier.com. The more I studied the man Kerry pretended to be, the more sickened I became. He must have sold his soul to the Devil, himself. I wish he'd just wear a T-shirt that said "Stupid Opportunist Liar," and get it over with!

This man called the little brother I raised a "baby killer!" I live in KC,MO where the big VVAW meeting took place, during which they concocted the lies Kerry would be able to tell and assigned parts to the "little guys." It's a sickening story. Kerry's veins must be filled with pus!

Needless to say, he has become my number one reason for moving into the Republican camp! Now I wish that the Republicans would close ranks behind the President and fight this war against our very way of life. These guys want us dead or praying and living their way. I hate war, and all it means for the good guys, but we really have no choice now. A mama bear will kill to protect her cubs. We must get serious about protecting our way of life and the lives of our children and grandchildren. This election is just giving some idiots a microphone, isn't it!

In the end, those of us wanting out of Vietnam, have looked back and realized that we were wrong! The communists won by turning the young people against their own country. My brother died in vain. And he didn't go to Canada. He respectfully went where the Army needed him, where his country needed him. His own country betrayed him in the end by running out on the fight and on those lives already sacrificed!

John Kerry is a vacuous Lurch!

hank
I meant to say also that the REAL SGT. MAJOR I spoke of earlier waited 26 years for his SILVER STAR. I was invited to the ceremony and got to meet and visit with General Richard Myers about what was going on in Iraq. He said the military morale was great and that the personnel were extremely professional. He had just returned from his last trip over before he retired. He said that the folks fighting in Iraq just wanted permission to do their jobs. I was very impressed with Dick Myers.

KERRY TO MAKE PUBLIC BACK-PEDDLE
In about 20 minutes (as I understand it now), America is scheduled see yet another famous John Kerry 180 flip-flop and back-peddle. We will soon learn what this great Yale debater really meant to say. Needless to say, this Benedict Arnold turncoat doesn't have the manly nads to tell America that he, in fact, really meant to call our troops a bunch of uneducated slugs and loosers during a time of war; insulting them and their families in the process.

In just 10 seconds, only 3 heartbeats, John Kerry told America all we need to know about this 2004 Democrat presidential candidate and for what his party stands.


At the risk of irking Donaldd
I see you know all about voting laws now.
Last night you did not even know the elderly & infirm vote by mail.
The very youthful do learn fast but you have such a long way to go.

AND Lydia, The next time you get to moveon would you please tell them BUSH IS NOT ON THE BALLOT so they will stop sending Donkeys over here to "Bash Bush."

John Kerry...
... is proof positive that liberals will vote for anyone with a "D" after their name.

The man is a fraud from the time he wakes up and puts on his pink slippers in the morning to when he takes them back off at night.

How anyone can vote for him in any election is beyond me.

KERRY BACK-PEDDLE AWARDS HIMSELF EXCUSE
KERRY JUST GIVES HIMESLF AN EXCUSE in his latest public back-peddle/flip-flop/180 and retraction...as easy as when he awarded himself both a purple heart and a silver star decades earlier.

Well John, it sure looks like you just shot yourself in the a$$ again. This time, however, there will be no medals. And you are KIA for 2008.

R.I.P.

Gregdn and JF - a brief clarification
I based my casualty analysis on more recent months when the insurgent’s focus seems to have shifted from U.S. troops to Iraqi citizens. The Iraqi casualty count is not definitive.

U.S. Iraqi
10-2006 107 1503
9-2006 76 3539
8-2006 70 2966
7-2006 51 1280
6-2006 61 870

I agree that the strategy in Iraq needs to change, but not the way the liberals would have it. We need to acknowledge and declare that we are in a global war against radical Islam and we must identify and severely confront those nation states that sponsor and/or that are responsible for the jihadist.

THE VERDICT IS IN--SWIFTES WERE RIGHT
Case closed...John Kerry lethally shot himself in the a$$ again, but this time there will be no medals.

Christmas in Cambodia...KIA in Pasadena.

Kerry
Did you'all hear Kerry answer? He was hysterical, simply hysterical. No matter how he tries to spin it, he made the statement. He says he would never insult the men and women in arms. What does he think he did in front of Congress when he returned from Vietnam? I can't stop laughing. Hitlary is probably laughing too.

Gunny:
Oh, yeah. I forgot that Kerry likely has a footware valet to remove them while massaging his soft wittle footsies.

When you have more money than time to spend it (too busy bashing our military to hit Macy's up), you almost need to find ways to get rid of it.

You gotta love John Kerry, though. While he isn't honest about who he is, he puts it out on display for all to see. His actions speak louder than his back pedal routines.

Bubba Clinton can talk a starving dog off a meat wagon, while convincing the dog that he's on his side.

Kerry would call the dog an S.O.B. and start kicking it while blaming him for his own gramatical errors, even though he is more "articulate" and "sophisticated" than the simpleton he ran against in '04.

Oh, and it's the simpleton's fault that Kerry lost.

Kerry has posted a statement on his website basically blaming Tony Snow (who he called a "stuffed suit"... look in the mirror, Jean Francois)and Rush Limbaugh for what came out of his own mouth. Just as when he blamed the secret service guy for his spill in the snow (while he managed to eat it six or eight more times by the time he got down to the bottom of the hill without the S.S. agent's help), he cannot take accountability for his inabilities.

Now Kerry says he made a mistake in his speech. Weren't his "superior" speaking abilities one of the reasons the left stumped for him in 2004?

Your Brother didn't die in vain

.....Jannieb....

.....I lost a lot of brothers (buddies) in Vietnam and they didn't die in vain either...

.....they died fighting for their Country in a noble cause...to stop the spread of Communism and to preserve the freedom of millions...

.....the fact that LBJ and traitorous Democrats in Congress and traitors like John Kerry sold them out does not diminish the fact they are heroes and died as honorable men who gave their all for a worthy cause...may your brother rest in peace.....COLOSSUS

Re: Winter Soldier
I was in Nam 69 - 70, and I was back here when Kerry heroically threw "his" medals back at the Pentagon. I was also here when the Winter Soldier testimony took place.

Let me tell you the view of this Nam vet: Kerry is a scum-sucking POS; I thought so at the time, and think so even more now. His WS testimony was a pack of BS and lies.

I wouldn't p1$$ on him if he was on fire.

baseballdoc
Thank you so much. Your kind words are appreciated so very much! Kerry's words and actions are so hateful and pitiful now as they were in '71, so he always makes me sick. But your acknowledgment of my brother's sacrifice comforts me.

So many of his wife's liberal friends tried to get him to go to Canada or claim 4F status which he probably was eligible for, but he served as pointman into the jungle for the Infantry.

Kerry and his infidelity to his brothers needs to be front page news every day!

Thank you for your service to our country!

GunnyG - re: Lurch

What do you suppose the chances are that "Live Shot" has finally jumped the shark?

His rebuttal reminded me of another duplicitous politician's finger waving denial a month ago. Methinks another "Lady doth protest too much." This Boston Brahmin gigolo is so far removed from the average American he hasn't a clue as to how buffoonish he looks and sounds. I mean, is there really anyone with a modicum of intellectual honesty that actual believes, "[he] would never say anything bad about the military?" This ghoul has made a career out of disparaging the military and has financed it (his career) with other dead men's money.

I am a resident of the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts and although I try to convince myself this is where I'm supposed to be, the thought of moving is becoming more tempting all the time.

The only thing more frightening than John and Ted's Incoherent Adventure is the possible addition of Deval Patrick as Governor. Tell me that wouldn't keep you up nights?!


How do the Democrats do it?
I am amazed they let Kerry out in public without duct tape over his mouth.
That guy must have shoepolish stains on his tongue.

tulsaman
Until we can find a way to track their finances and chop off their funding we have only this way.
I think these "Leaders" they capture and kill are merely figureheads. The real leaders are the people holding the purse strings and I am afraid we will not like it when we discover who they are. Hope I am wrong.

What gets me about the whole thing
If Kerry could come out and say, "Hey, look, I'm sorry if it sounded this way, what I meant was Bush didn't do to well in school and now HE's got us stuck in Iraq", I wouldn't be writing this.

But he hasn't. He hasn't come out to correct what he has said, yet others have done so by circling the wagons even though they haven't gotten Kerry's story... for all his defenders know, he may have meant exactly what he said.

But something tells me Lurch wasn't making fun of Bush's academic record since, at least at Yale, it's better than Kerry's.

I other words, Kerry has done one of two things:

Told the troops he thinks they're a bunch of dumb under acheivers, or he's playing on his supporters ignorance of the fact that Bush did do better than Kerry at Yale and he is banking on them to be too stupid to call him on it. Which is it? I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if he would set the record straight. But something tells me if he's the intelligent, articulate politician that the left wants me to believe he is, he meant what he said.

Instead of setting the record straight, he has gone into attack mode ala Howard Dean. The real John Kerry stands up. Again.

Pitbull
Army, 97B

Pitbull
Typical excuse. "Point in fact it happens in every war and everything the government gets involved with -" Just because it has happened in the past doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to it today.
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