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Friday, June 19, 2009
David Harsanyi :: Townhall.com Columnist
Teaching Dads About -- Sh-h-h- -- Sex
by David Harsanyi
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Though I am a barely competent father of two young daughters, I do plan to excel at one of my patriarchal duties: avoiding any dialogue with my kids about sex, dating or ancillary topics that have even the slightest chance of degenerating into a discussion that involves human anatomy.

Working diligently behind the scenes, however, I already am keeping a close eye on the debate over sex education in anticipation of my forthcoming panic. And the debate is reigniting, as teenage pregnancy numbers, which, after years of decline, have begun to inch upward.

The birthrate among 15- to 19-year-olds rose 1.4 percent from 2006 to 2007 and jumped 3.4 percent from 2005 to 2006 -- this, after falling for 14 years.

When the news of this hit, James Wagoner of the rather universal-sounding "Advocates for Youth" claimed, "The United States can no longer afford to fund failed abstinence-only programs." Not surprisingly, Valerie Huber of the less-ambiguous "National Abstinence Education Association" retorted, "This is certainly not the time to remove any strategy that is going to provide skills for teens to avoid sex."

As you'll see, I believe both sides confer far too much credit on themselves, but when someone strings together the words "provide skills for teens to avoid sex," I am impelled to listen. I don't remember much about high school, but I do recall a fruitless four-year quest to lose the "skills" that helped me avoid sex.

So with this uncertainty, I was eager to uncover some useful information from a new, highly touted study on teen birthrates conducted by Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health, which analyzed data collected from the federal government's Youth Risk Behavior Survey, a national survey of teen girls from ninth to 12th grades.

To boil it down, according to researchers, the increase in teen pregnancy can be tracked to a decrease in contraceptive use. All the focus on encouraging kids to remain abstinent instead of teaching them about contraceptives must, they suggest, be partly to blame for the rise in pregnancies.

The New York Times editorial board and others quickly used the study to condemn abstinence programs. Yet evidence to make this accusation is dubious -- according to researchers themselves.

To begin with, the fact that researchers sound like advocates rather than disinterested fact gatherers is suspicious. Furthermore, neither Columbia doctors nor federal government surveyors have a solitary clue how many teenagers are engaged in sex, wearing condoms or flying kites.

In an article based on the study, researchers admit that several "limitations temper these findings." One of those limitations is that the data were "self-reported" by high-school students, whose information is only slightly more reliable than waterboarded Gitmo terror suspects.

In his thought-provoking book "Fooled by Randomness," Nassim Nicholas Taleb makes the case that we constantly are affixing deep meaning to meaningless statistics. Did you know, for instance, as teen rates have risen, there also has been a national trend of higher birthrates among women in their 20s, 30s and 40s? What does that tell us?

In this case, none of the numbers proves that kids are becoming more promiscuous or acting less safe than they did five or 10 years ago. There is also no proof that either abstinence or sex education programs have had a real effect on teen behavior.

Teen sexual behavior is driven by myriad social, demographic and economic factors (and perhaps most importantly: family). As long as we use the thin gruel of this kind of study to hammer home some ideological point, parents aren't being helped.

The best antidote is probably some hybrid of abstinence programs and others that teach about disease, pregnancy and birth control.

Certainly, we shouldn't dictate to parents (or, in my case, a wife) how they should teach their kids about sex. We also should avoid mass panic when it comes to teen sex.

Individual panic? Now that's a different story.

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Privatize
There should be no "sex education" of any type in public schools, period, end of story. A public school exists only because taxpayers pay for it, and that means that public schools have an obligation to stick to real education, not phony "life skills" type courses. I do not want to pay for kids to be proselytized in either direction. It is an utter violation of individual rights to force people to pay for YOUR agenda.

If people want their kids to receive sex education, they should either do it themselves, or they can find a private school that agrees with their philosophy.

This is why conservatives need to start or get behind privatization movements in every state. The public schools could be sold off, school taxes ended, and then the proceeds distributed to parents of kids currently enrolled until the money runs out. That would give parents plenty of time to adjust to the responsibility of paying to educate their kids.

BESTIALITY-RIGHTS REVOLUTION

Have you guys seen this?: http://www.comingsoon.cz

"The film that sparked a Bestiality-Rights Revolution!"

Am I dreaming???

Gestell,
Will you agree that sex is for adults only?

If not, you're the one who has no interest in a legitimate debate.

Simon,
Try actually reading the posts.

Especially the one about that tired, old lie that conservatives hate sex.

reply to Novan #8
My post did not attempt to make any logical arguments. Rather, in the form of what another reader found a pathetic attempt at humor, I was taking a shot (albeit with rock salt, not buckshot) at the frantic mewlings of many conservatives on the subject of sex. I am perfectly prepared to consider evidence and arguments, only so few conservatives have an interest in either one.

Tyler
Sex is good,in the confines of marriage!

TYLER
YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

WHAT YOU GET
Throw God out,the bible and ten commandments.
And this is what you get.A mess.

Who died?
Mother of 4 says:

"When left-liberals stop talking and acting like children who refuse to take any responsibility for their actions and the consequences thereof,"

Who died and made you uber mother?

===

If you avoid all discussion of sex some how kids figure some of it out on their own anyhow. They have this grape vine. In fact some 12 and 13 year olds (boys mostly) write pornography without any reference to reality.


Worrying About Mixed Marriages
Men and women.

Gestell
Yawn. Pathetic attempt at humor. Next.

Three quotations, no comment from me.
Dorothy L. Sayers:
As I grow older and older
And totter toward the tomb
I find that I care less and less
Who goes to bed with whom.

Lewis Grizzard:
Sex hasn't been the same since women started enjoying it.

Erica Jong:
Men and women, women and men. I will never work.

Educational Moment
Per Gestell's comments above, a liberal will make sarcastic or insulting comments against conservatives based on their own mislead stereotypes that they themselves believe, yet somehow neglect to support their own position with logical argument. This is an educational moment for everyone. Liberalism CANNOT support it's ideas in the battlefield of reason and logic. Liberalism can only survive by dwelling on emotion and human weakness.

Advice for Conservatives on Sex
After much profound study of conservative ideology, here are some simple tips for conservative parents who want to address their kids about sex.

1. Tell them not to think about sex--ever, ever, ever until they get married.
2. Make sure they learn that only leftists are sexually active. If this doesn't work.
3. Repeat Tip #1.
4. Make sure the only thing they learn about sex from you is that it's bad, bad, bad for them, and is absolutely no fun at all. If this doesn't work.
5. Repeat Tip #1.
6. Make sure they know that God is against sex; it says so right in his sacred book.
7. Teach them every fals believe you yourself have about sex, and make sure they know that their parents never, ever had sex. If this doesn't work.
8. Repeat Tip #1.

tyler
and don't believe ANYTHING on dailykostv

Fox News Hypocrites
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001852/

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001858/

Don't believe everything you hear on Fox.

Gayle
Your personal attacks reek like a liberal, if you're not, then stop the personal insults. They're not constructive. Instead, try explaining why you disagree in logical terms.

Okay, Mother of 4
You told me off but good! I admit, I went off on you when I would normally agree with most of what you say.
Just so you know, I am not a left leaning liberal and neither is Harsanyi.
Frankly, I don't think your rants persuade "left leaning liberals" by one iota, but you are perfectly free to keep preaching to them.
I will stick to my original assessment though with one more modifier, of course.
You are an "insufferable" nag forever on her highhorse.

Gayle,
When left-liberals stop talking and acting like children who refuse to take any responsibility for their actions and the consequences thereof,

When the libertine liberals stop trying to shout down anyone who advocates self-control and exposes the fact that not every human appetite needs to be indulged immediately with the nearest available person,

When society as a whole returns to expecting adults to act like adults and children to concern themselves with the proper concerns of youth rather than becoming prematurely involved in adult concerns,

And when liberals agree to the foundational principle that sex is for grown-ups only,

THEN, and only then, I will stop treating left-libs like irresponsible children because they will have proven that they are capable of being reasoned with as adults.

If left-libs don't like being lectured by a mother they can stop the toddler-tantrums about how the world denies the immediate gratification of all their whims and wishes and show some maturity in their words and actions.

Until then I will treat them like, at best, Jr. High age teens because, regardless of their calendar age, that's an accurate reflection of their mental stage.

Are humans different today?
I haven't forgotten. Regardless of how they are viewed from our adult perspective, the emotions, desires and drives of sexually-mature kids are very real and very strong. If we don't teach them and give them the tools to deal with these feelings then everyone will suffer the consequences.

Once they fully taught sex, sexuality and “conception avoidance,” they have been given all the intellectual tools we can give them. We can try and realistically explain the feelings they will encounter and we can try to help them develop countermeasures; but we won’t be there when that knowledge is tested. We can try to teach them the consequences of conception, and hope they will consider that when their pants are down. We can hope we have convinced them that waiting will pay off, but what if we haven’t?

Truly, we cannot predict which tool will fit which kid at what time in their life. Parents will need to be frank. Educators will need to teach facts. Other credible and respected adults will need to add those religious and moral points that fill in the gaps. And the druggist will need to be there as a last ditch measure.

Fill the tool box. Stop walking around this real part of being human, and face it with your children. Frankly, Mr. Harsanyi is a coward and irresponsible and is already establishing a communications gap between him and his daughters. What if mom is less approachable than dad? What if the opportunity to talk to dad is there, but dad already set a standard that sex talk is forbidden.

And be prepared NOT to judge when they come and say Johnny got to third base (or home plate) and they are scared. If you haven’t already opened the door, they will consider it locked. If you don’t help then, it WILL happen again, and she’ll come to your with a baby in her belly.

Mother of 4
Can you dispense with the endless lectures, please. It's tiresome and you haven't said anything we haven't all heard before. You sound like a nag forever stuck on her highhorse. Take a deep breath, spare us your platitudes and the condescending bromides. In other words, don't talk to us like we are children.
Thanks.

An from LA

I concur. Your approach worked for me.

Now if only we can get Liberals to let people keep more of their wealth so they can afford to spend more time with their kids.

No, Mick,
No, Mick. No hostility to men here.

Just trying to slap some sense into the author so that he takes the kind of responsibility for his daughters that my dad took for me and that my DH is taking for our daughter. :-)

Over the years I've become convinced that, regardless of what has become known as "sexual orientation, far too many western women don't like men. And because they don't like them they don't even try to understand the innate differences but rather simply berate men for not being women.

I like men and enjoy the company of men -- not as an object of courtship but as friends and companions in activities. I will probably not be the only woman at the benchrest rifle match tomorrow, but I've been the only woman at the IPSC-Lite match several times and neither I nor the guys there care because I'm neither flirting with them or attempting to emasculate them.

And you can ask my husband my opinion of the commercials and "sitcoms" that depict all men as bumbling idiots. I won't even let my kids read the Berenstein Bears books because the depiction of Father Bear is so disgusting in that way.

But one thing I've learned about guys in their natural habitat is that sometimes you don't pay attention until someone whacks you over the head with a 2X4. So I was just giving Mr. Harsanyi a thump to set him on the right path. :-)

finish
I happent to think AZHomschl had the right of it and what we had was some self-effacing humor, though lame, from Mr.H. Having said that, I re-emphasize my general rejection and all round piszd off ness with the 21st Century female attitude of "MEN!"
I personally think it is the plague of the last half of the 20th century, has several historic roots and a theological component.
I would further state my tolerance for estragen spikes has reached the near 0 level. The only thing more annoying and beechy then one of you, is a group of you.

Having said that there is much to commend you for and you have much insight and wisdom in these posts.

I will say that I had probably as many opportunities to dip my wick as most lads of my generation and I CHOSE not to. Indeed it was MY choice on several occasions when the female urged intercourse. [How many men do YOU know who would say NO to "I want you inside me!"]Only on one occasion was I willing to procede and the female reconsidered saying: "I think you would regret it."

No brag, just fact, and the ONLY point to it is to show I DID MY DUTY AS YOU LADIES HAVE OUTLINED IT!

Again, no brag, you don't brag about doing the right thing, doing your duty. What I take as my RIGHT, having DONE my duty, however, is the Right to REJECT the 21st century female tude toward men in general--I didn't do it baby, so don't get in MY face--take responsibility for your OWN behavior.

2ndly I have the right to say that I don't see where my fidelity and responsibility bought me a great deal in my marriage. It has NOT been sexually fulfilling and while I take full responsibility for both the relationship, financial, and trust failures (none of which were sexual) that has affected intimacy, and responsibility for my short equipment which I think has more affect then my wife admits, I none the less have gotten the short end of the stick in spite of doing my duty.

Such is life.

mick

NC4mom and AZHomschlrAN
Allow me to compliment you ladies on having some profound and important things to say here.
I concur completely on the responsibilitiy confired upon the male to model and teach responsible sexual behavior.
And I can say with pride, AN that I used your approach and have had the opportunity to share my principles with my 10 and 14 year old sons in a very low pressure manner. The 10 year old said: "I'm glad I got to listen while you were talking to Kenneth" no pressure you see. Kenneth the 14 year old with mild Autism said: "I was pretty sure I knew how it worked but I didn't know if it was back or front." Note he does not lack for information.
Build the relationship, you build the trust, build the trust you build the access and the leverage.

Got to say, though, MOM4 that my inner ear reads a certain "beechyness" into the prose of your third post at 12:02 addressed to Mr. H. That may simply be transference since there is little in text, generally, from which to deduce tone, and I've been beeched at by a number of women in my life, a process for which my tolerance has grown steadily less through the years to the very brink of mysogeny. Still, though it may have been the furthest thing from your mind, ya piszd me off. If ya got a tude on toward men, as most women in the late 20th and early 21st century seem to (ever noticed how many commercials and TV shows feature women hitting men? what are they tapping?) keep it to yourself, huh? I ain't interested.

In the end it don't matter what the boy says, it's the girl's responsibility to keep her legs closed. I concur it is also the boy's responsibility NOT to demand or even ask, but failure on his part does not constitute license on hers.

cont.
mick


tyler 11:17
Tyler, you ol commieqr,
were you born that dense or just been working overtime at it?

Where'd you get the ridiculous notion that Constitutional Conservationists were anti-sex.

Gee, boy, I've always gotten as much as I possibly could, with the previso that seems to escape all commieqrs: I TOOK PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHERE MY GENETIC MATERIAL ENDED UP!

What, you DEFENDING Teen age single motherhood here? You don't regard teenage single motherhood as DE FACTO CHILD ABUSE!? I DO, and all the studies and statistics support me. THOSE kids are BORN AT RISK!

What Constitutional Conservationists are AGIN, Tyler is ABUSVIE PARENTING, which is what you get when morons don't take responsibility for their reproductive behavior.

The problem here ain't information--it's not giving a Grand Coolie Damn about the MESS you make.

mick

Fascinating thread
My opine follows in a mo, but first a standard beating about the rhetorical head and shoulders of the self-proclaimed commieqrs.

I have to have my fun.

mick

Sex
The best way for a father to teach girls (and boys) about appropriate sexual behavior is to spend lots of time with them and answer questions as they come up. It is necessary to maintain open communication throughout the teen years, and if you've done this from the beginning, embarrassment shouldn't be an issue.

Amen, Mother of 4
If this guy is serious about shirking his responsibility as a father in this area he's fool.

If his attitude is some sort of attempt at humor it's lame.

Either way it's sad to know that there may be a better column on this subject out there in the world that did not get posted while this one was.

BTW Mr. Harsanyi,
Your irresponsible attitude that sex education is entirely the mother's job is part of the problem.

Its YOUR job, as a father, to teach your any sons you may have that they must respect women enough to not ask for intimacy until they are ready to return commitment -- REAL commitment, which means a wedding ring not a promise to send the support check on time and never be late to pick kids up for visitation.

It is YOUR job, as a father, to teach your daughters that they deserve better than to be used by some manipulating loser who doesn't value them as much as their dad does and who will turn and run when the pregnancy test comes up positive.

Its YOUR job, as a father, to let your daughters know about the lies boys use to get the girls on their backs and how not to fall for it.

And its YOUR job to raise them with the strength of character to know that they deserve to be courted and have a man prove his worth in advance rather so that they won't come running like trained dogs when their "friend with benefits" puts in a "booty call".

And Once Again,
And I'll point out once again, that its impossible to have any type of useful discussion about what can be done to keep teens from suffering the ill-effects of early sexual activity and rampant promiscuity until we can get the left liberals to agree to one very simple point, ...

Until they will agree that sex is for grown-ups only there is simply no point to listening to a single word they say.

Tyler
Why are liberals promiscuous?

Sex is not good is GREAT

Maybe having responsible sex would mean less dead babies and less life threatening diseases.

The Same, Old Lie
Here come the left libs with that same, old lie that conservatives are against sex.

Conservatives are no more against sex than the people who teach kindergartners not to play with matches are against candles, fireplaces, and BBQ pits.

Advocates of abstinence until marriage are not against sex. Advocates of abstinence until marriage believe that sex is a wonderful, desirable thing. A thing *so critically important* and *so intensely powerful* that it should never be tossed around casually, carelessly, and thoughtlessly.

Sex is dynamite. Like dynamite it can create or destroy. Used correctly, between a married couple, sex creates a permanent bond of physical, mental, and spiritual unity. And it sets the stage for nothing less than the future of humankind in that children raised in an intact family with their OWN parents jointly engaged in the endeavor of raising them into productive citizens do better by every measure of success.

Used incorrectly, outside marriage, it destroys hope, it destroys dreams, and it ruins the future. Extra-marital sex ruins individuals' futures by destroying the participants' capability for forming permanent bonds through the accumulation of emotional scar tissue due to the continual formation and tearing up of successive relationships. AND, on a larger level, it ruins the future by bringing forth children who are more likely to become either parasites on society through welfare dependency or predators on society as criminals.

Advocates of abstinence education do not "demonize sex". Those who reduce sex to nothing more than the pleasure involved in rubbing appropriate body parts against each other degrade sex, devalue sex, and, as a consequence, degrade and devalue the unfortunate kids who end up paying the price for their comfortable lies.

Why are conservatives
anti-sex?

Sex is good

Maybe having more of it will make you happier and then you will complain less.

resurgence after 14 years?
Wait a minute. If 14 year olds are having sex and babies after a 14 year decline, is this a strange coincidence? (pause for a moment of Twilight Zone music) Could this be the next generation of unwed mothers birthed from the previous unwed mothers? Um. "The apple doesnt fall far from the tree"? "Children learn what they live"? Any other old saws apply here?
Anyone have data about how many of today's unwed mothers are daughters of unwed mothers?

Useful Idiots
You may be so old that you don't remember anymore, but you really don't need to stimulate teenagers about sex to get them interested in it. Plus there is probably no less stimulating approach to sex than sex education.

Bad Comparison
Actually, from all accounts, except of course The New York Times, the information extracted from the waterboarding of three Islamo-facist terrorists at Guantanamo was very reliable.

Conservatiave Christians Rule
Fabius Cunctator, I concur.

There was an article in my paper that stated that the illegitimate birthrate among blacks is now at 70%.

Can we please go back to equating sex with morality???

Kids Today.
I'll have to be honest here. Today's teenager's are not having any more fun than I had, 1952, through 1956. And, according to my dad, I didn't have any more fun than he did, 1922 through 1926. And my grandfather sired his first child, when he was 17.

Teenager's behavior, throughout all time, is how we all get here. Yes, I've studied it, and found that to be true.

Of course, this is from my experience being a male, so I agree with Mr. Harsanyi's personal feelings on the matter.

It's like that thing, where father's don't want any male to touch their daughters, yet they have the privilege of touching every other father's daughters.

The more it's talked about, the more sex stuff is a funny thing.

Preventing Intellectual Rape and STD's
Hey Folks: Get a Clue... http://www.drjudithreisman.com. Enough said.

Teenage Sexual Activity
Teenage Sexual Activity
Teenage sexual activity is a reflection of the sexual amorality of the adult population.
Teenagers are mimicking the behavior and attitudes that they sense in the lack of sexual mores of the adult population.
Many factors have contributed to the breakdown of sexual morals in the United States of America.
1) A weakening of the influence of the Protestant and Catholic Churches in teaching Christian morality relating to sex, in love and marriage.
2) The changing of the divorce laws to no-fault divorce; thus devaluing the sanctity of the family, marriage, and sex.
3) Making abortion legal: thus creating the idea that one can have sexual relations without worrying about pregnancy or responsibility for children.
4) The breakdown in family structure because of divorce and working mothers.
5) Single parent families; resulting in unsupervised and unguided children.
6) A culture that exploits sex in advertising, television, and movies.
Thus, our Society has devalued sex and made it into a commodity that one can use at one’s convenience for pleasure and enjoyment without regard to the proper place for sex which is in love, marriage, and having children in a stable family life.

David Harsanyi

David,

Forget the Liberals at Columbia University.

Heres what we do know.

If you stimulate children about science, we will get more scientist.

If you stimulate children about engineering, we will get more engineers.

If you stimulate children about Music, we will get more musicians.

If you stimulate children about the arts, we will get more artist.

If you stimulate children about sports, we will get more athletes.

If you stimulate children about space, we get more children interested in space.

If you stimulate children about chemistry, we get more chemists.

If you stimulate children about writing, we will get more journalist.

The above has been common knowledge for many years.

So now ask yourself, why do Liberals want to stimulate children about sex?
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