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Wednesday, May 20, 2009
David Harsanyi :: Townhall.com Columnist
Coming to Your Garage: Le Car
by David Harsanyi
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Finally, Americans can start moving forward -- albeit in small, unsafe, state-mandated, subsidized pieces of junk.

We all remember a time when we drove around in nearly any variety of automobile desired. Well, thank goodness we're getting past that kind of anarchy.

Rejoice, my fellow citizens, in the forthcoming automobile emissions and efficiency standards, even if they happen to add more than $1,000 to the cost of your average car.

Just consider it charity or an "investment." Needless to say, you might as well pony up the dough; your tax dollars already are keeping the auto industry afloat.

Then again, despite my profound appreciation for all the decency being showered upon me, it is difficult not to marvel at the demagoguery and corruption that's employed to get it done. Take this supposed coming together of California, the United Auto Workers, Washington and the auto industry in support of stringent new standards that would cut an entire 0.05 percent of man-made greenhouse gas emissions.

The United States government, if you haven't noticed, owns the auto manufacturing industry, props up the last vestiges of "labor" and soon will bail out the failed state of California. So this harmonizing of disparate interests is what a gracious person might call a "conflict of interest" and an honest person refers to as "racketeering."

Let's, for a moment, stretch the limits of our imaginations and make believe that a Republican candidate won the most recent presidential election. Let's pretend he or she continued the Bush administration's policy of bailing out Detroit, as Obama has done. Imagine, then, that all of these state-backed parties came together to "support" legislation mandating the increased production of SUVs.

Surely, and appropriately, there would be mass indignation about this unholy coupling of business and government. Well, the sleazy process we're witnessing now is the same -- even if this particular outcome happens to please you.

In the future, American automakers may have the capacity to create competitive fuel-efficient cars that most of us actually would want to drive. They may not. But as we all have witnessed, today failure is not an option. So no matter how poorly these cars perform, no matter how ridiculously overpriced or unsafe they may be, Washington (or, rather, you and your progeny) will prop them up.

While at one time, the push and pull between environmentalists and business interests led us to some middle ground on public policy, there is now hardly any opposition. It has been purchased with tax dollars.

Though using California's tough fuel-efficiency standards for the entire nation (and hasn't that state excelled?) brings some certitude to Detroit, why would the auto industry suddenly change course and drop its opposition to onerous regulations?

According to Forbes magazine, less than two years ago Chrysler officially put the cost of meeting similar standards at $6,700 per vehicle. Cerberus, which is a private equity firm, threatened to walk away from the auto giant because the new requirements would have meant the end of Chrysler.

Yet yesterday, there he was, the Chrysler CEO, with a gaggle of other paid-off shills at a Rose Garden news conference falling in line with President Barack Obama.

You may argue that this is what we voted for. But when we look at the decisions people make with their own dollars -- rational, discriminating and "selfish" decisions -- we learn something quite different. You don't buy the kinds of small cars that government is demanding that Detroit start producing. Rather, you make trade-offs in efficiency, comfort and safety.

You may take into consideration -- though cars continue to get safer -- a 2002 National Academy of Sciences study, which stated that vehicles following the Corporate Average Fuel Economy system's standards contribute to between 1,300 and 2,600 traffic deaths every year. How many lives will be lost to new government mandates? Who knows?

Then again, it's not something you need to trouble yourself about. It's called sacrifice. And you have no choice.

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Government Intervention
So what do we call it when Bush rewards the buyers of SUVs by giving them a tax break? Gives businesses a tax break for buying an SUV? Come to think of it, gives business a tax break for sending US manufacturing jobs offshore? If the government sets tax policy (and it does), offers rewards in the form of tax breaks (and it does), and tax policy is intended to affect business practice (and it does), then it would seem that Bush inserted government into business at every turn. Am I misssing something here?

FYI
Cerberus:the three-headed watchdog of Hell...Strange name for a company to choose,dont'cha think?!

What do you call it
Government controlling business is called Fascism.
Government owning business is called Communism.

Both are forms of Socialism.

It doesn't matter who does it, it is still the same.

Blame Republicans
Whether we like it or not, the economic mess into which we are falling is the direct result of Bush and the Republican controlled congress’ complete failure to honor the ideals of small, efficient and effective government. President Obama promised during his campaign to redistribute wealth, promote unionized labor and attack carbon dioxide emissions. We must now pray he and the Democratic party do not realize every man alive on this earth produces carbon dioxide with every nasty breath he takes. Half of this production could be eliminated by disposing of half the earth’s population.

BOHICA*
*Bend Over Here It Comes Again!!

The Dear Leader has told Chrysler to shut 3,300 dealers. The dealers are being stuck with inventory that they no longer can sell. WHAT are they supposed to do with an estimate 350,000 cars now? Make lawn sculptures out of them?

Chrysler will NOT take back these cars OR let the dealers sell what they have. They're being to to "take the loss for tax purposes" but what about the cars? Landfill?

THIS is what you get when the almighty Big Daddy Nanny State intrudes on private industry. Did ANYONE with an IQ over 65 vote for this clown?

Wait, there's more!! He wants to jack up the CAFE standards to levels that can only be met if each company also makes several of those lawnmowers with bench seats euphemistically called "econocars".

Now the OTHER shoe drops. IF gas usage drops so will income to the federal piggy bank via tax on gas. As we all know the feds can't live with a dime less even though everyone ELSE is.

To compensate there WILL be huge tax hikes on gas. THAT'S why the Dear Leader wants to ram this new standard down our throats fast. He knows that once it happens it can NEVER be reversed and THEN we'll get the tax hike on fuel. Check the date of the new standards and then watch for a new tax hike within 9-12 months.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

oBUMa Shortbus - The Clown
David - I thoroughly enjoyed your description of the Fearless Leader, oBUMa Shortbus, The Clown, in your opening paragraph:

small (minded), unsafe, state-mandater, (redistribution of wealth)subsidizing piece of junk

How this socialist POS was ever elected to the highest office in the land will be the subject of animated debate for decades to come, led mostly by psychiatrists trying to explain how an entire nation became mindless all at once....

bho
Allah Akbama.
Allah Akbama.
Allah Akbama.

I look forward to turning the clock back
a century. Will there be a rope starter on the dash board?

NASCAR is now racing lawn tractors. "Well Chuck,my Cub Cadet was a bit loose coming out of 3 and I almost hit that John Deere."

fuel efficient doodlebugs
I may have seen one of those goofy little cars on the road yesterday-looked like a red cockroach.

lilly writes:
Am I misssing something here?
________________________________________
Yes you is! Tax breaks are an incentive. Giving money for ownership is direct intervention.

You think that the Automakers will survive by making fuel efficient death-traps? The Amercian public wants big trucks and SUV's. They are willing to pay for them and not for the small toys on the road today. Auto makers will manufacture what sells!!!!

Economics
Every one in this country should read Thomas Sowell's, "Basic Economics: A Citizen's Guide to the Economy." Pay particular attention to the articles on so-called "central planning" and what a rousing success it has NOT been. The groundwork for all of Obama's nationalizing has been built over the last 40 years. 40 years of dumbing-down the populace, 40 years of demonizing business and success and 40 years of class-envy have paid off. Most people know nothing of the Constitution, Federalism or what constitutes a Republic. We are seeing the dissolution of everything this country has represented. And not a shot was fired. How sad.

Remember 1970-1980?
Remember the horrible cars made in the USA between 1970 and 1980? They used more gas, ran terribly and had no horsepower? That was because big government mandated new controls on exhaust emissions for them. I'm not saying that controlling emissions was a bad thing, but it resulted in us driving terrible cars for 10 years.

Are we in for a repeat of that 10 year mess?

The theory of economic evolution
Everyone who understands capitalism knows that it is essentially Darwin's theory applied to economics. In fact, many of you (like Adam Smith) believe so strongly in this theory that you think there is some mystical force guiding the free market to a successful path.

It would seem that you guys spent a little to much time studying creationism and not enough time in science class because you missed a MAJOR phenomenon in Darwin's theory: extinction. Survival of the fittest means that the unfit do not survive. When this happens to an entire species, well you get the idea.

Our auto industry is unfit, it has been for a very long time. If left alone, it will die. Maybe that is what some of you want... then all American cars would be classics. Most of us think that is a pretty crappy idea.

American cars have ceased to evolve. You Adam Smith fans would be remissed to explain how the free market has helped American cars to find the way to fitness in the past 20 years. Luckily, we are not bound by the same crawling pace of ordinary evolution. We CAN make Quantum Leaps because we already know the path to fitness. To ignore the path to fitness in order to preserve the "purity" of the free market would be to repeat the mistakes that caused this economic crisis and would lead to extinction.

The Peoples Car
Hey, didn't another dictator have another car called the "Peoples Car" made by VW. Geeeez.... And the diesel trucks can keep on polluting right? Since car's don't really pollute much now, wouldn't make sense for the truck manufacturers to do a better job instead?

Usurper in the Oval Office
What foreign car manufacturer gave barry campaign contribution? No one should purchase a car until this administration is ousted.

Le Car
The American people are going to rise up against this scheme to produce junk. Viva le revolucion!

ha
you guys are all idiots

le care, my le foot!
I would rather take my chances horseback. I won't drive one of those pieces to aluminum wrapped around a motor. I should say I won't be caught dead in one because I have better sense than to get in one.

Besides it wouldn't make it down my road anyway.

Lost Cars
Car companies have gone out of business before. Ever hear of the Hudson Hornet, or Nash Rambler? Hudson and Nash made good cars, but they still failed. We don't live in a vacuum. If GM or Chrysler had failed, something else would have emerged to fill their place. The govt should stay out of private enterprize. We have a lot of knots to untie in order to regain our freedoms.

Change you can believe in !!!!
[Quod est demonstratum]

I bought one in 1979
I chose, like an idiot, to buy a brand new 1979 LeCar which my ex-wife liked better than the Chevy of the day. I got rid of it in 1984 after paying it off and got $1000 for it. It was probably worth $100. It was uncomfortable, hot, sounded like a wind up toy, had no acceleration and within three years the seats began to fall apart. So much for great French engineering. LeCar was really LeCrap and if that is what we have to look forward to, we are really in trouble.

And our messianic Prez wants to sell Chrysler to Fiat? How many Fiats are on American roads right now? The Russians used to drive Ladas that were based on the 5 passenger Fiat. You doubled its value by filling the tank.

Let's bring back cars that shadetree mechanics can actually work on.

Not in my garage
If need be,I will keep my mid-size,250 horsepower sport sedan until I no longer have a pulse and at my age,that's about 25-30 more years.The used car,truck,and SUV market will flourish.Garages will get more business through the overhauling of the fleets of older vehicles as well as the sale of replacement parts.If restrictions are implemented,the black market shall provide and the defiance of the American people will reverberate.In addition,the possibility of the car makers relocating to China and South America where the business climate is more freindly to manufacturing cannot be dismissed.The "CEO"s of GM and Chrysler did not protest because they are Barack's lap dogs.Ford is the one to worry about.They didn't take any bailout money and they are in the driver's seat.Ford can abandon North America and focus on China Australia,and their European operations as well as South America;especially Brazil.Finally,Ron Gettlefinger of the UAW did a Judas to his members because he is going to lose half of his remembers when plants start closing very soon and in the next few years.Don't spend those 30 pieces of silver in one place.

WHOSE KIDDING WHO?
Making cars and trucks which increase the mileage of a gallon of gas--WHAT A DEAL!
Americans will save a bunch of money, be able to drive more miles, HOW LUCKY can we get!
Sure, we won't be safe and hate the cars we HAVE to buy, but those are minor sacrifices for SAVING the environment. AND think of all the money we're saving!!!
OOPS---but what about all the taxes on gas the government will lose. GEE WIZE, government can't have that happen, they'll just have to raise taxes on gas to make up the difference, that's all. Oh, and start taxing the number of miles we drive as well.
Such a caring liberal left government we have, looking out for all of us 'little' people, putting our best interests first, 'helping' us in every aspect of our lives. Whatever would we do without them? NO more worries, NO more cares, NO more responsibilies. HOW in the World did we survive before they stepped in to TAKE CARE of us all?
Look to, Pray to, Rely on and have Everlasting Faith in GODverment.
THAT'S THE TICKET!!!!!

Not in my garage
I meant to say members.My bad.

See the USA...
in your le car let, Obama is asking you to crawl!

Stand up America before there is no USA to see!

What this is really about!!
You should read the real reason behind Obama's THUG tax! http://theblacksphere.blogspot.com/2009/05/tax-thuggery-ob ama-style.html

I love this blogger!

Government standards
This article explains why some people build their own cars. Some build hot rods, some build kit cars like the Chatherman i.e. Lotus 7, or restore old Detroit iron. It does not matter what the government dictates, one way or another, the consumers find a way to get what they want.

I don't understand the problem
Le car will mean more citizens are killed in auto accidents. Fewer citizens mean more illegals can come in to replace them. Thus, leading to regional and world government faster.

You say illegals will have to drive them too? Ah, no they won't. They get driven in semis and pick ups and buses. And, should it become illegal to own a REAL car, the illegals will still have one because, really one more crime more or less means nothing.

And of course the "ruling class" will never have to own such a travesty of a car - THEY NEED security, body guards and chefs in that quick trip from the airport! They need extra room for their 'mid-morning suit' and formal dinner wear. Why, just the clothes alone would fill two or three of those tiny things!

Why central planning always fails
There is a reason for the lack of success. Walter Williams recently issued a great column about how central planning is destined to fail, and is the height of arrogant assumption.

He used the example of a standard supermarket, containing 10,000 (or whatever the number was) different products. He then pointed at 1 of those 10,000 products, a can of tuna. There are many different variables in getting that can of tuna to the market efficiently (example, the fishing boat needs maintenance, the nets need maintenance, the boat needs fuel. The caught fish need to be cleaned and canned. The can needs to get to the supermarket, so the truck needs maintenance, gas. All the workers involved in the process need to get paid, etc., etc., etc).

Central planners (Libs) actually think that they (the government) can arrange and manage all of these various factors in the most efficient way, and better than each factor can be managed by the owner of the boat, shipping company or food company which is focused solely on the efficiency of its own particular task in the process. This is the height of arrogant assumption, if you really think about it. I think it is also an insane delusion. Needless to say, NO central planner has the capacity to keep track of these various factors for the can of tuna, let alone the 9,999 OTHER products in the supermarket that have to get to the market. Libs, in their arrogance, will not accept their limitations and will think they can do it and will try.

Hence, centrally planned economies are always plagued with shortages, high prices and massive inefficiencies. They also fail to learn from their past failures.

The genius of the capitalist system is that the boat owner, the shipping company owner, and the food company owner each has a massive incentive to efficiently perform their small piece of the process: profit. Take that from them, and you have disaster.

Walter Williams is brilliant.


You WILL want an Obama-mobile
When Obamanomics causes gas to be $8 to $10 a gallon, you will want an Obamamobile!

Let's imagine
This must be how they decided:
Joe Biden: "Mr President, the auto industry is in trouble."
BHO: "I know, let's give them lots of cash then let them go bankrupt and not pay us back. Then, let's raise the CAFE standards so they build cars no one wants. That should fix everything."

Got news for you all
Years ago, Al Gore proposed making your hot rods and any car without smog control devices on them, illegal. Now, instead of laughter at the idea, the LIC's (Libtards in Charge) will give the idea serious consideration. Earlier this year, DiFi of California proposed the idea of making SUV's and big trucks illegal to sell. If you have one, you won't be able to sell it, trade it in for another vehicle and I imagine shortly, illegal to register it, plate it or even have it on the road. You'll be forced to junk it. I marvel at all the SUV's in town with Obama/Biden stickers on them and disinterested hot rodders I know that were okay with Obama. How's that hope and change working out for you? Hmmm?

auto companies.
Let me see now the fastest way to sell more cars is to close down the sellers of those cars.The japanese auto makers are drooling over this stupid idea.

Jeramy Misunderstands the FREE market
The level of misunderstanding in Jeramy's post is almost impossible to comprehend. We who believe in the power of the free market and recognize Adam Smith's ideas as a seminal contribution to the understanding of how free markets benefit all consumers are not the ones that want to put Chrysler and GM on life support. We are the ones saying that we will never again buy from these companies.

As to the fitness of American car companies. There are many systemic problems that they carry as a legacy of the days when they had no global competition. Being in their 1960s bubble, they could make deals with the unions that were truly unsustainable. Now that the protective bubble is gone, the foreign competitors that never made those awful deals are able to compete more effectively. Throw in the fact that CAFE standards of earlier years caused the Big 3 (well, formerly Big 3) to make a bunch of tiny pieces of junk (Chevrolet Aveo - yuck) that they sold at a loss in order make the larger cars that customers actually wanted and were profitable to the manufacturers. So, they were not operating in a free market since the Jimmy Carter intervention that imposed the initial CAFE.

The problem with Jeramy is that he believes government 1.) can actually do a better job at making consumers happy, and 2.) that the government has a RIGHT to interfere in these industries. We free market believers (you know, capitalists) believe intensely in the concept of extinction. We have seen it numerous times and prefer the products that come out in the aftermath of old, tired and non-competitive companies giving up the ghost.

Jeramy Misunderstands (cont'd)
s extinction easy for everybody? Of course not, particularly if the extinction is due to poor management, inability to deal with burdensome regulations, or unexpected changes in markets. However, the long-term benefits of unfettered markets is hard to deny. We believe in extinction, we just prefer the moniker 'creative destruction.'

Jeramy, spend some time at http://www.cafehayek.com to try to figure out what it is that free marketeers really think. You will learn that we don't believe in the invisible hand as a mystical, omniscient actor that makes only correct decisions. The invisible hand is simply a great name for the phenomenon that millions of consumers making decisions for how they go about their personal business is 'quantum leaps' better than having a central planner decide what should be made, at what price, with which methods. We also recognize that the free market can make mistakes on occasion; however, the free market will correct those mistakes more quickly and efficiently (certainly not more mercifully) than any government attempt to do so.

Check out the rides in Havana!
If these new standards become the permanent law of the land, then the "pre-owned" automobile market will be the next dotcom boom! Junkyards will become gold mines as investors scoop up properties and inventories in preparation of the new remanufactured automobile boom. The big three, forced to produce shoe box sized cars, will slowly wind down and close, as Americans opt for the comfort and relative luxury of vintage American road-iron.

It'll be like one big Havana!

Hell, yea!

Hey, Sol_Invictus
Citing "free range capitalism" while claiming tax incentives for purchasing a car mandated by the government to boost the CAFE number for the manufacturer is the height of hippocracy. For you, a remanufactured Yugo!


Did you ever think?
Let's assume all citizens are FORCED to buy these Sardine can gas saving vehicles. By not having to buy as much gasoline, sales and profits will be down at the oil companies. Now we can't have that can we? So the only thing to bring the stockholders more money is to raise the price of gasoline. So to compensate, for their losses we are now back at square one.
This logic will also work with everybody buying these ugly little screwed up flourescent lamps. When we All are forced to buy them the power companies will go up on our light bills to compensate. Remember you heard it hear on TownHall.
By the way don't be fooled on oil shortages. Atlantic Richfield knows there is enough oil and natural gas on the North Slope of Alaska alone to last America 200 years.
It's the rotten EPA and the Wacko environmentalists who are holding up the drill here and drill now agenda. My U.S. Senator told me so.

Ricky, Ricky, Ricky...
The government is a consumer and not a producer. The government neither earns nor has money to lend - it borrows, promising its lenders that it will confiscate the money to make payments from those of us, you included, who actually earned it. GM and Chrysler could easily have filed for bankruptcy without the governments assistance during the Bush administration. I blame G.W., his treasury overlord, and their direct replacements.

SSDD - BOHICA!

(P)Rick from People's Republic of MN
has spoken!!!! Take THAT all you peons. O'Vomit NEEDS his SUV's and Nazi Psychosi NEEDS to have that BIG military jet on standby. We're just the serfs. How DARE we want our liberty?

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

BTW (P)Rick from MinnneNOWHERE:
Where DID O'Vomit get the RIGHT to tell Chrysler to arbitrarily close 3,300 dealers and STICK THEM with the inventory that CAN'T be sold off? WHY should THEY have to eat that cost?

THAT'S Dopey McChange for you, the flap-eared wannabe dictator of North America. The American Mugabe himself. Most of the dipsticks who want to run the auto industry couldn't fill the washer fluid reservoir in their own cars ferchrissakes!!!

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Steve, I don't disagree with that.
The govt is a mass consumer though. It uses our money to buy billions of products this nations consumes.

That Bush could have put more emphasis upon the big two going into bankruptcy before now is a point I heartily agree with.

I have long held a view that the UAW and the big two GM and Chrysler are not being led by executives in tune with the reality of the consumer market.

My view is the vehicles have long been too large and too low mpg. I grew up with the introduciton of the first Honda's in the U.S. They were very small. Little roller skates. Then the Datsun came along and added a sporty, sleek car and it all seemed cool. Mazda did the same and Toyota too. Honda kept making those ugly cars, that had pretty good mpg, and those who knew the value of a dollar bought them. Those that saw big and wasteful as better kept buying those giant pieces of crap.

I think better mpg is 30 years behind schedule!

That regulation will bring it, along with loans and bankruptcy doesn't matter to me. It also means the UAW will stop forcing auto prices through the roof, and perhaps some outsiders of the UAW can actually find jobs making autos? Doubt it.

Govt jobs are next on the chopping block for overpay. If not, there's still time to get that fight going.

I'm tired of knowing some dumb hire in govt. makes $90k a year plus the most expansive benefits of all. Who do these people think they are? They're servents and they've gotten a hold of the bank account number. Pay is way to high for all sectors of govt servents.

Wrangler, the closures were not arbitrar
were not arbitrary. Those chosen were the lowest performers. How is that arbitrary?

The closures during bankruptcy is done with negotiations. How do you suppose a bankruptcy proceeds.

Does everyone have a happy day?

I know what it means to have a store closed from under me. Don't think life doesn't happen in Minnesota.

We are one of the greatest contributors to this great nation. Don't you diss my state twerp!

They were NOT the lowest performers
you statist liar!! I HEARD a dealer call up Rush yesterday. He was a TOP SELLER in his area. He could find NO pattern behind the ones being closed. Maybe they were selling too many V-8s, SUVs and Trucks? Maybe the owners were Republicans? Makes more sense than your talking points.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

I Like My Little Car
It's cheap, it gets great gas mileage, it's easy to fix, and it's easy to park. However, it is only useful to me as a second car. I need to haul trash to the dump, my boat to the ocean, my beehives to various pollination sites, any furniture or lumber I want delivered since I live so far from a town. For that I need a Jeep Cherokee, which gets about 19-20 mpg highway and has lots of space. Under the new CAFE rules, how many of that size vehicle are going to be available and how much will they cost? Right now I have the freedom to choose in a relatively free market what vehicle I really need. This freedom is being taken away with the proposed gas guzzler tax. I wonder how farmers, small contractors, and others will be affected by these rules. I'm afraid I already know. The only solution I can see is to eventually rebuild the Cherokee and keep it going forever. The free market in automobiles is already wounded and will soon vanish.

Dearest Wrangler,
Lying I do not do.

I watched at least three reports on national broadcast t.v. all state that those closed were the lowest national performers.

So, regardless of what a local performance was, it didn't stack up to national performance bench-marks.

Now, I hope you can be calm when you write to a Minnesotan. I do not seek discordant discussion, but if that's all you've got, I'll give it back to you.

America....wake up!
Is this even America anymore?? I'm just wondering what we can do to stop this insanity!

Wrangler, would you ever check other
sources to confirm some news story?

What if the Rush story didn't have the whole picture?

Could you accept that possibility?

gee Susan, what do you propose?
You want us to wake up from some horrid dream, and take a drastically different course.

You mean like no new taxes? Is that what you mean? That's some pretty drastic new idea? But, if that's what you propose, go ahead.

The Closed Car Dealerships
. . . were not necessarily the lowest performers. They were closed to limit competition. The management decided (with the help of the great and wonderful Oz) which dealerships were close enough to each other that they would be engaged in a price war to give the best deal. The closures were designed to limit competition. This boosts the average cost per car and hurts the consumer, but it does protect the Union jobs (and pay scale) and profitability of the dealers that are left.
Why does this sound like a back door tax on everybody who buys a car from GM or Chrysler? I guess I'm just a paranoid right winger.

Robert in AZ
"Why does this sound like a back door tax on everybody who buys a car from GM or Chrysler"

Very astute observation. Entirely correct. It IS a tax on purchasers of GM and Chrysler products, and will hit the poor the hardest. The goal was to protect the union's wage scale and perks.

I submit that cutting dealers will backfire, as usual with dumb lib ideas on economics. Sales of GM and Chrysler products, being more expensive, will decline, and the problems with GM and Chrysler will not go away, or will get worse.

Sacrifice?
"Then again, it's not something you need to trouble yourself about. It's called sacrifice. And you have no choice."
Hmm, in my mind it's only sacrifice if I have a choice; in this case I'd call it robbery.

Oh, that was your point, wasn't it? Well done, sir.

WE'RE SCREWED
Here in the Detroit area, we were asked to conserve water. We did, but now the Detroit water boards income fell and now we have to pay more for water. Now we have Obluba telling us that the increased cost for these sardine cans will be made up at the pump. Who in the fu** does he think he's kidding! Oh yeah, have the frickin' country that he fooled the first time!

Minny Dick
You say:It(the government) has the authority to make rules that it has studied and concluded make sense.
So, a community organizer walks in the big three auto world and in just a few days knows what is wrong with the auto companies and how to fix them. What a rick you are.
If 39 mpg is so good, why not 78 mpg? Why not 200 mpg? I mean, if the government already knows what can be achieved in a year or two without even walking into a auto research center,Obluba must be god!

Al
It always amazes and disgusts me that people believe that the government are the experts who can tell everyone else what will work. Now we have the politicians telling the car industry how to make and sell cars. They're such a success at running the government that it must be true.
In my own life, I have a couple of areas of expertise. Often, some person at a party (usually slightly drunk) will tell me everything that is wrong with my profession and how it should be done. Invariably, their suggestions are unrealistic to the point of absurdity. What we have done with the car industry is to give that type of supercilious fool power over one of our largest industries.
As my mother, the expert on everything says, "It'll all end in tears.?

Coming to Your Garage: Le Car
Hmmm the UK had a government controlled auto industry: it was called British Leyland. Like the American Big Three, it was hamstrung by arcane and antiquated union and labor practices. B-L produced lousy cars that no-one wanted, but thanks to Uk's protectionist policies, not much else was available to the UK motorist in the late 60s through the 70s.

I do hope that the USA is not headed down this path, but it doesn't look good.

ROBERT
You are correct. Why should anyone go to school when the government is just going to tell you how and when to do your job. They won't be happy until we are nothing but tax paying robots that don't exhale co2.

Has BO considered that
tax receipts on gasoline will plummet? Then what will he do? The big bad oil companies get about 5 cents on a dollar profit but gubmint gets over 18 cents. Price of gas will rise to offset this "green" idiotic idea. It has to!

I have a chore for you

Just look in the files, they must have the blueprints for the '51 Plymouth that I loved so much. Built them again.
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I have a chore for you, please honestly try it.

The next time you go for a drive, a block, a mile, an hour, look at all the cars you can look at while driving safely, and let me know if you ever find a car exactly like yours, unless you are at a car dealer's or a rental car lot.

Henry Ford is praised for inventing the assembly line, and an assembly line is intended to build copies of exactly, or almost exactly the same product.

Now I have worked on assembly lines building Diesel Engines, and at another time, building kitchen stoves. Let me assure you that when the exact same product is being built, twice the number of products will be built in the same time, and in the space and investment needed to build if that line tries to build a dozen different items.

I don't remember the exact details, but some years ago I read a story that said GM could build hundreds of thousands of different vehicles in any one year. Just imagine the cost of a car, when millions are the same, rather than millions being different.

You know that right along with that efficiency there would be many companies established who could add this gadget and that, so if you are ashamed to look like your neighbor, at your cost, make it look like what you want.

I can remember our 4-door 1927 Buick that could hold a family of 8 with no problem. Between the front and back seat was room for a bench for 2 children, and the back seat held 4, easily. Every year we drove from PA to Ind, with luggage on the rear bumper, on the roof, and bolted on the running board. So you can see our Buick looked different from others.

When the brakes on our 1927 Buick overheated as we crossed mountains in Pennsylvania, the daughters were of no help at all, but the boys did help cool the brakes, a little!


Two numbers to always remember:
6.5 billion tons and 6.2 billion tons

The first number is how much total carbon the U.S. emits per year.

The second number is how much total carbon we would emit if EVERY single vehicle was eliminated from the country.

In other words, NOT ONE thing is going to be accomplished by Obama's plan.



Little cars for little peeps
Those of you that love those little toys, Great! As for me, no thanks! By the time all this new tooling is in place the dims will all be voted out. Car makers don't rush to make changes yet. By 2010 we'll see a turn around in congress and cars to suit what the majority of Americans want to drive.

EVIL OIL CEOs!!
Attention all lefties angry at oil CEOs:

One dollar a year...or if you fill up 40 times a year, it comes to about 3 cents per fill up. That is what the top five oil CEOs receive from each driver in the U.S.

If they make $40 million/yr. that's $200 million. With 200 million drivers in the U.S.

You all get outraged over this, but the taxes you pay don't bother you?



HAP MD
Rather than British Leyland, we seem to be heading towards more like LADA, YUGO, TRABANT cars...American versions will cost upwards of $ 20K while China will offer them ate under $ 5 K...go figure!

Better conspiracy theory
Maybe these dealers were selling cars people actually WANT not the kind the almighty Nanny State wants to FORCE us into. SUVs, trucks and V-6 or V-8 cars still sell well. It was only during the artificial $4/gallon days people considered that "Smart" car.

This is ALL about getting you out of the car you WANT because otherwise you'd NEVER buy the four-wheeled turdmobiles O'Vomit wants us to drive.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Oh the Trabant!!
A tupperware body over a plywood frame. A TWO cycle engine with NO fuel pump (fuel trickled DOWN to the engine. I knew a guy who owned one. He had to take a stick every morning and tap the car to scare away the RATS chewing on the frame. Cutting edge East German design all right. God help us. I want my Aston DBS and leave it alone!!!!!

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Eric Peters Says it Best...

Second automotive Dark Ages
A second automotive dark ages is coming. The first occured in the 1970's. Each year from 1971 through 1975 the (real smog) emission standards got tougher. And each year the new models got progressively less powerful, poorer performing, more complicated and less reliable. Cars hit the nadir in 1975 and remained there until the early 1980's when technology improved to where they finally began to get better every year. Obama's new "emission" standards will cause a new automotive dark ages. Expect new car performance and utility to diminish rapidly as we move through model years 2012 through 2016 and remain low until technology catches up. Having lived through the first automotive dark ages and anticipating the coming of the second, I recently purchased a new Mustang GT. I will be keeping this car and will not be buying one of the new Obama cars. So you future owners of 2012 and newer cars, watch your rear view mirrors carefully and please move to the right when you see one of us in an old car coming up behind you.

Sol, the buzzer is sounding...
...and you're WRONG!!

"you poor little Republican fossils. we will put you in a Retro fair, and kids from all over will come to watch and wonder."

Yep - they'll all come see how great things used to be, before they country went collectively brain-dead in November of '08.

"See how they sounded, under Bush? See the six-ton cars they used to drive to the corner, to get a carton of milk?"

You complete and utter moron. Not everyone drives an SUV or a really large car. Plus, let us not forget that the "6 ton cars" went out with disco and the Bay City Rollers. Newsflash - cars don't weigh that much anymore, a**wipe.

"We will put you in the Museum of Natural History, on the floor under the dinosaurs."

Hopefully right next to liberals so everyone can see who tried to ruin the country.

I can hear the field trips now: "Here, class, we have a band of ancient people who wanted 'CHANGE and HOPE'...they voted for a socialist agenda and complete control over their lives and their very existance. They sold their souls in return for government handouts and quick fixes. Sadly, they died a quick and painful extinction, because unfortunately no society can continue to succeed and thrive while sitting on their collective butt cheeks and doing nothing but sponging. Now, here are the conservatives...they were RIGHT!"

Sound like a fun trip, SolOSER?

"Idiots."

Terrific description of your average ODUMBO supporter.
(cont'd - you provided too much material!)

Sol - BUZZ (cont'd)...
"For seven years now I drive a hybrid Prius. A godsend. I get 45 to 47 mpg on the highway; more in local driving. It accelerates perfectly well."

I drove one in Florida (it was a rental, not by choice)...what a POS! It was a 4-wheeled moped. You sit at a light and...NOTHING. Sorry, that's not a car.

In my '02 BMW, I get 24 mpg in town and 34 on the highway. It's a fun, FAST car to drive. I'll sacrifice a few MPG here and there for it's style and comfort, thank you very much.

"I got a ticket last year doing 95. The smokey couldn't believe it."

It speaks volumes about your lack character that you brag about doing 95 and getting a ticket. BRA-freakin'-VO!

Also, gotta love your "do as I say, not as I do" mentality. Heaven forbid a card-carrying tree-hugger actually follow a law.

"It is a cleaner car than California regulations demand."

California - BWAH. Now THERE'S a model to follow!! Let's all go down the toilet with California...wooo HOOOO!!!

Dope.

"Now the American companies start to build real hybrids (not the SUV boosting crap they have so far)."

When are you and your ilk going to get it through your painfully thick skulls that we DON'T want refrigerator boxes on wheels with rubber-band-powered "motors"?? This is AMERICA, and for many Americans, the car is more than simple transportation...it's part of our culture.

Part 3 to SOL...

In addition, here's 3 points for you to ponder:
1) There's enough oil HERE to sustain our needs for YEARS.
2) We could use natural gas or nuclear power, also very abundant HERE.
3) Global warming is an unmitigated FARCE perpatrated and promoted on an unthinking mass of idiots like you for one reason and one reason ONLY - to make MONEY!!! When are you drones finally going to get it????

"Frankly, I would let the American car companies go bankrupt, or let foreign companies pick them up. Isn't that what free range capitalism dictates?"

Free range capitalism?? WTF? What are you, buying a chicken?

Also, now you promote open capitalism?

Speaking out of both sides of your arse renders you not viable or worth the time.

Stupid is as stupid does, son.

J. HowWEIRD...
"Whether we like it or not, the economic mess into which we are falling is the direct result of Bush and the Republican controlled congress’ complete failure to honor the ideals of small, efficient and effective government."

Another poor, hopeless BDS sufferer. I wonder if Jerry Lewis can hold a Telethon this coming Labor Day, to help the poor, suffering, Bush-deranged drones? Poor, poor BDS sufferers. I pray for their recovery...

Give to your local BDS foundation.

Just a few dollars will help.

Only YOU can prevent BDS.

"President Obama promised during his campaign to redistribute wealth, promote unionized labor and attack carbon dioxide emissions."

No, he didn't. If he DID promise those things he wouldn't have had a CHANCE.

But he promised you a land of milk and honey, all of your bills would be paid, the sky would forever be blue, the sun to forever shine, every day would be Christmas, every night would be Saturday night, and all of your worries would melt away like M&Ms in the hot sun.

And you bought it. Paid for it with your very SOUL. Dumbarse.

"We must now pray he and the Democratic party do not realize every man alive on this earth produces carbon dioxide with every nasty breath he takes. Half of this production could be eliminated by disposing of half the earth’s population."

Great - can we start with YOU?

Want MPG?
My father's '02 Taurus with the hotter V-6 gets a measured 32-33MPG highway. Around town it get lousy MPGs (about 16) because it's geared and tuned for maximum HIGHWAY efficiency. AND it has 200 ponies!!! My 1996 Grand Cherokee gets about 14 City and 22 highway but it's 4,000 lbs. and that's about 800 lbs. more than the Ford.

Of course if you REALLY want to tick off the libtard trolls in their flying door stoppers (Prius) just sneak up behind them and rev an Aston!! The V-12 of the DBS puts the fear of God into these nimrods.

I was in the Jeep this AM and I had the sight of a black "Smart" Car in front of me with a vanity plate that read "Lilly". Of course OUR Lilly is not from the City so I can't conclude it WAS her. She did have a constipated look on her face as everyone pulled around her and the back was festooned with Obama and other "PC" stickers.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Coming to your Garage: Le Car
The government now owning car companies and forcing Chrysler to merge with Fiat is doomed to fail. Until they force you to buy these ridiculous government owned cars, who would want them? So how are GM and Chrysler going to succeed? I for one will never buy one of these companies cars while they are owned by the government, and perhaps, not ever after.

I have never been too fond of Ford cars, but since they chose to not accept Government funds, but chose instead to get themselves out of the hole, I will buy one of their cars instead. Mazda, which is the brand my husband loves, is a great example owned by Ford. Go Ford!

Switch to FOMOCO, Folks!!
Ford Products, like all others, ARE overpriced..,But I've owned them exclusively since 1985 and swear by 'em!! I'm going tomorrow to buy my wifey Dear an Escape and that probably will be the last NEW car I'll ever buy..We, as a Country, MIGHT be able survive another few decades if we could get these Imbeciles (D&C Types that is) out of Industry's Business and let the *Best of the Best* survive. CHEERS!!

Check out American Thinker!!!!!!!!!!!
There's an open letter from the owner of a Chrysler dealer in FL. His family has owned and run it for THIRTY-FIVE years. They employ FIFTY people who will now be jobless wards of the Obamanation.

The dealership is being GIVEN to another party at NO COST!!!!!! Chrysler will NOT buy back 125 cars ($3million inventory) or the parts ($500k) and without the licensed dealership they can't even sell off the cars because they can't be warranted as new.

This HUGO CHAVEZ action and nobody gives a cr@p, ESPECIALLY the media waterboys for this jerkwad loser in the Oval Orific.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!
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