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Tuesday, July 29, 2008
Dave Ramsey :: Townhall.com Columnist
Student Loans, Cars, and Insurance
by Dave Ramsey
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Dear Dave,

My husband finished dental school three years ago. Recently, told me that he wants to go back to school to become a dental anesthesiologist. He makes $100,000 a year right now but says this will give him the potential to double his income. We’ve paid off five credit cards in the last year and a half, but we still have a $200,000 student loan. We also just found out that I’m pregnant. So, I’m feeling unsafe with this idea. What do you think?

Shannon

Dear Shannon,

This is not a wise move. You’re $200,000 in debt, and he brings in dentist money. You guys need to clean up your debt.

This starts by living on nothing for a while. If he makes $100,000, then you guys need to live on half that. We’re talking rice and beans and living on a VERY tight budget for a couple of years. Then, if he wants to go back to school after that – and save up money to pay for it – we can sit down and talk.

You have every right to feel unsafe right now, Shannon. I’m sure your husband is a great guy, and that he loves you very much. But this is a ridiculous idea.

He needs to listen to his loving, pregnant wife. You’re right on this one, and he’s wrong. Period!

- Dave

Dear Dave,

I’m 61 and on disability. My home is paid for, and I have about a million dollars in assets. I try to spend no more than four percent of the principal each year. My current car needs repairs, but the cost would be more than the car is worth. I’m looking at getting another vehicle and was wondering, in my situation, if it would be better to lease, finance or pay cash.

Linda

Dear Linda,

I’m proud of the way you’ve handled your money. You’ve got the right attitude about wealth building, but the wrong idea about car buying.

There not a chance on the planet that I’ll tell you to go pick up a “fleece” or payments on a car. You’ve got a great thing going for you – a peaceful, calm and successful financial life. Why would you want to mess all that up with a lease or payments?

Here’s the deal. Consumer Reports AND my calculator both say that leasing a car is the most expensive way to operate a vehicle. It’s a rip off! Dealerships make more money off leases than they do from the sale of cars.

I’m okay with you buying a car. You’ve managed your money well, and you’re in great shape financially. But when it comes to the big shiny things, pay cash or don’t buy it!

- Dave

Dear Dave,

Does having supplemental insurance make good financial sense?

Anonymous

Dear Anonymous,

Some of it does under the right circumstances. But you have to be very careful when choosing these products, because there are lots of companies out there trying to sell you stuff that doesn’t make good financial sense.

One example is short-term disability insurance. I would not do that. Another example is cancer insurance. I wouldn’t do that, either. But they also sell good stuff like long-term disability insurance. That’s something you really need!

Beware of the little gimmick insurance plans, too. Those six dollar a month things are not a good idea!

- Dave

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Sweetie hit the jackpot!!!

In the early 1970s we decided we must plan ahead for retirement. We found a class that would give Sweetie information about buying, managing, renovating, and selling a building for a profit.

Sweetie did so much more and so much better than anyone could expect. On a street lined with apartments, she went door to door asking if anyone wanted to sell, and hit the jackpot.

We (snd I do mean WE) completely renovated the 17 units — new carpet, paint, reworked all bathrooms and kitchens. Among all the other things, Sweetie “antiqued” 17 sets of kitchen cabinets. Beautiful.

Eighteen months later we sold it for about 170% of what we paid for it. Well, actually we traded it (an IRS expression) for a 39 unit building, sold that one for a great profit (10 times our original investment) a couple of years later, and on and on, and the rest is history,

But give credit where credit is due, “The rest is HERstory!”

I then got off the computer industry payroll, and we traveled the world for the next 25 years.

What's more expensive?
A) Paying $100,000 cash for a property
B) Paying $100,000 amortized over 15 years
C) Paying $100,000 amortized over 30 years

Most people, including Mr. Ramsey, would say C. But that's because they never look at the whole picture. They only look at the total amount paid out over that 30 years.

It turns out that choice A is the most expensive. This is explained in detail in the book LEAP by Bob Castiglione, but I will attempt a short explanation.

What Mr. Ramsey and other bad economists don't seem to understand is that there are unseen variables in addition to the seen ones. Yes, if you pay over 30 years, the total amount you pay is much more than $100,000, but what about Opportunity Costs? What COULD you have done with that money? What about inflation? These things never seem to be discussed.

For the full story, read the book referenced above and also check out Killing Sacred Cows. Both are amazing books that, at the very least, will give you another viewpoint. Knowledge is power.

Following advice from Dave Ramsey
will help you go from a super consumer to a super saver, but it will not turn you into a Producer/Investor.

Look at his advice: "This starts by living on nothing for a while. If he makes $100,000, then you guys need to live on half that. We’re talking rice and beans and living on a VERY tight budget for a couple of years."

It's the same old crap you get from Suze Orman. Cut expenses, save up for anything you buy, all debt is BAD! What a bunch of crap! How about learning to turn your brain on and go out and produce more? This isn't to say that you shouldn't be a wise steward over your resources, just that being a wise steward is more than just cutting expenses, etc.

If you want a viewpoint on finances from a Producer perspective, check out the book, 'Killing Sacred Cows' by Garrett Gunderson. You can find it on Amazon or by going to http://www.killingsacredcows.com. In this book, Garrett explains the myths about money that the financial institutions don't want you to know and that (hopefully) well-meaning, but deceived people like Suze Orman and Dave Ramsey don't know.

DAVE!!!!
It's great to have you here on TH!...my wife and I just finished FPU and are working on our snowball. I try to keep up with Schlesinger and Pomerantz-Schwab here on TH whenever they write, so it's good to have another financial contributor onboard....looking forward to more.

Auto Insurance

How about a rule that says in case of an accident you can collect no more than the amount of your own insurance, regardless of who was at fault. If you have no insurance, you collect none, if you have only $10,000 insurance, that's the maximum that can be collected. The purpose of liability insurance is to protect the victim, so no one should be paid more than the amount of insurance he has purchased.

Every driver with a valid drivers license, and who is driving an automobile with a valid registration, should be covered for some minimum amount of liability insurance (perhaps $10,000 or $20,000) that is paid for by an additional tax on gasoline. People who drive few miles, would pay little for that portion of their insurance, people who drive a lot, would pay a lot. That would be the end of uninsured drivers.

The probability of being involved in an accident is at least somewhat associated with the number of miles you drive, and therefore with the number of gallons of gasoline you buy. Expensive vehicles consume more gas, but they also cost more to repair. This would eliminate the need for insured drivers to buy uninsured driver's insurance, among a number of other things.

Most people would buy additional insurance, but that insurance would cost less since there would be a $10,000, or whatever, deductible on the liability portion of the insurance bill. By the way, the first item above would still apply.



Rice and Beans when you're pregnant?
I think this is the wrong time for the lady to be reduced to a diet of rice and beans, sir.

And parenthetically, $50,000 per year is not exactly "living on almost nothing." That is wealth for most working people, especially working women.

But I think your other suggestions are right there. I would definitely buy a car for cash but would make sure to buy one that would hold or appreciate in value. Mine's a 1974 Ferrari Dino GTS. And I can't even drive anymore.

Conservative Money Management
I'm glad to read a columnist on this website who truly values conservative money management: living beneath your means and planning for the future.

Great!
I really enjoyed this post. Its a break from the usual conservative news we get at townhall.

More please!

Fantastic to See You, Dave!
To maintain my intensity, I can't get enough of your encouragement! Thank you for coming to Townhall.

Way to go, Townhall!

Hello, Dave
What a pleasure to go to Townhall today and find a column from you! I am so happy that I will be reading you as often as you write a column.
I have seen you on Fox and now will have you more a part of my daily reading.
I will also try to get you into the lives of my children to help them financially.

Glad to see Dave on Townhall!
What a great way to start my day...finding Dave Ramsey on my daily Townhall forum. Thanks Townhall! Dave has so much to teach all of us about our financial lives. Young adults, take his advice and live far happier lives.

Great!
It's great to have you on Townhall, Dave.

Please keep the columns coming.

Dave.....
I can't listen every day, but you are the only one I will listen to in your time slot on our talk station. The advice you give people who are in trouble financially is terrific. Your pull-no-punches approach is the way a best friend should talk.

So glad to see you on TH. Hope that you write often.

Cheers,

Sam S.

Financial Peace
The more people that can be educated using Dave's financial principles the better.(Though credit must be given to God who created these wise ideas on finance.)
Just finished teaching some high school seniors and juniors using Dave's curriculum. It was a huge eye opener for them. One girl even stopped to talk to me during the prom to thank me for teaching the course. She said she had no idea how hard it had been for her mom and dad to raise five kids on their income.
Dave Ramsey is a voice of reason in this age of mortgage crisis, credit card debt, high gas prices etc. Hopefully liberals tuning in will learn something so that they aren't looking to the government to fix their problems.

Hi Dave!
Wow, it's great to have you here at TownHall!! My wife and I were blessed to go through FPU about seven years ago. We paid off $18k debt in 20 months on $45k income. You are blessing from God. It may be a bit late, but here I go in my best William Wallace voice:
"FREEEEDOOOMMMMMMMMMM!!"

Hooray!
If you don't know this guy, have your church or organization look into the Financial Peace University 13 week course.

Yea! My favorite radio show host
is now here at Townhall! Hope to read more in the days to come.

Good To See You, Dave!
Glad to have another fabulous voice here on Townhall. Keep 'em coming!
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