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Thursday, October 11, 2007
Daniel Pipes :: Townhall.com Columnist
Zionism's Bleak Present
by Daniel Pipes
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"We are all Keynsians now," Richard Nixon famously asserted just as the economic theories of John Maynard Keynes fell into disrepute. Likewise, one could have said with similar confidence in 1989, as Israel's existence reached wide acceptance, "We are all Zionists now." No longer.

Count the ways Israel is under siege: from Iranians building a nuclear bomb, Syrians stockpiling chemical weapons, Egyptians and Saudis developing serious conventional forces, Hizbullah attacking from Lebanon, Fatah from the West Bank, Hamas from Gaza, and Israel's Muslim citizens becoming politically restive and more violent.

World-wide, professors, editorialists, and foreign ministry bureaucrats challenge the continued existence of a Jewish state. Even friendly governments, notably the Bush administration, pursue diplomatic initiatives that undermine Israeli deterrence even as their arms sales erode its security.

Let's suppose, however, that the country muddles through these many problems. That leaves it face to face with its ultimate challenge: a Jewish population increasingly disenchanted with, even embarrassed by, the country's founding ideology, Zionism, the Jewish national movement.

As developed by Theodor Herzl (1860-1904) and other theoreticians, Zionism's call for a sovereign Jewish state fit the political context and mood of its time. If Chinese, Arabs, and Irish sought to establish a national state, why not Jews?

Indeed, especially Jews, for through nearly two millennia they had paid the greatest price of any people for their political weakness, having been expelled, victimized, persecuted and mass murdered as none other. Zionism offered an escape to this tragic history by standing tall and taking up the sword.

From its inception, Zionism had its share of Jewish opponents, ranging from the Haredim (Ultra-Orthodox) to nostalgic Iraqis to reform rabbis, But, until recently, these were marginal elements. Now, due to high birth rates, the once-tiny Haredi community constitutes 22 percent of Israel's current first-grade class; add to this the roughly equivalent number of Arab first-graders and a sea-change in Israeli politics can be expected about 2025.

Worse for Israel, Jewish nationalism has lost the near-automatic support it once had among secular Jews, many of whom find this nineteenth-century ideology out of date. Some accept arguments that a Jewish state represents racism or ethnic supremacism, others find universalist and multi-cultural alternatives compelling. Consider some signs of the changes underway:

*Young Israelis are avoiding the military in record numbers, with 26 percent of enlistment-age Jewish males and 43 percent of females not drafted in 2006. An alarmed Israel Defense Forces has requested legislation to deny state-provided benefits to Jewish Israelis who do not serve.

*Israel's Attorney General Menachem Mazuz has up-ended the work of the Jewish National Fund, one of the pioneer Zionist institutions (founded in 1901) by determining that its role of acquiring land specifically for Jews cannot continue in the future with state assistance.

*Prominent Israeli historians focus on showing how Israel was conceived in sin and has been a force for evil.

*Israel's ministry of education has approved school books for third-grade Arab students that present the creation of Israel in 1948 as a "catastrophe" (Arabic: nakba).

*Avraham Burg, scion of a leading Zionist household and himself a prominent Labor Party figure, has published a book comparing Israel with 1930s Germany. A 2004 poll found only 17 percent of American Jews call themselves "Zionist."

Seen in a larger context, this turn from Zionism echoes trends in other Western countries, where old-style patriotism and national pride have also declined. In Western Europe, citizens tend to see little of special value in their own history, customs, and mores. Last month, for example, the Netherlands' Princess Máxima, wife to the heir to the throne, announced to wide acclaim that "The Dutch identity does not exist." This Western-wide decline of patriotism aggravates Israel's predicament, suggesting that developments there fit into a larger trend, making them the more difficult to resist or reverse.

To top it off, Arabs are moving these days in the opposite direction, reaching a fever pitch of ethnic and religious bellicosity.

As a Zionist myself, I watch these several trends with foreboding about Israel's future.

I console myself by recalling that few of today's problems were evident in 1989. Perhaps in 2025, Zionism's prospects will again brighten, as Westerners generally and Israelis specifically finally awake to the dangers posed by Palestinian irredentists, jihadists, and other extremist Middle Easterners.

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BUSH CELEBRATES RAMADAN
ATTENTION REVEREND KIRBY CALDWELL:
WOULD YOU PLEASE LAY HANDS ON GEORGE W. BUSH

BY LISA RICHARDS
October 11, 2007

THE OFFICIAL IDIOT OF THE WEEK:
PRESIDENT BUSH

Yes, Bush acted like an idiot this week. Why; he celebrated Ramadan by holding an official Iftaar dinner in honor of Ramadan at the White House.

Christians and Jews of America thank you Mr. President for hosting a dinner to honor the fasting month for terrorists.

Bush thanked the murderers of mankind for visiting the White House by claiming: “we celebrate traditions of Islamic faith, which brings hope and comfort to more than a billion people. For Muslims around the world, the holy month of Ramadan is a special time of prayer and fasting. It is a time for charity and service to those less fortunate. It’s a time to celebrate Islam’s learned and vibrant culture, which has enriched civilization for centuries.”

How nice; starve a little, and then go kill the infidel Jews and Christians.

George W. Bush is an Evangelical Born Again Christian. Like me, his faith is that of believing Jesus Christ—a Jew—is Almighty God and Jews are God’s chosen people because they are the true descendents of Abraham and King David—not the illegitimate bas***d of an Egyptian Ishmael. But Bush has been holding Ramadan celebrations for seven years, something no devout Christian would ever take part in since Allah is not God and Muslims follow and believe in a religion of murder.

Bush has broken that truth and belief by his taking part in a holiday for terrorists. Bush also made a claim that is absolutely false and in need of some serious hands-laying deliverance by the Reverend Kirby Caldwell—the guy who laid hands on Bush at his inauguration...

FOR REST VISIT MY BLOG

copyright 2007 Lisa Richards
http://www.lisa-richards.com
E-mail: lisa-richards@lisa-richards.com


























reply to Lisa Richards
What annoyed me about Bush's Ramadan feast is that it can have no meaning for him. It's so transparently intended to make him look good, whether for an international or a domestic Muslim audience. If it's the international audience, his event was laughable--the work of a buffoon. If the domestic audience was key, once more, American Muslims know that Bush was just trying to look good. Maybe's he's counting on a big Islamic vote for the Republican candidate in 2008.

If Bush must play the religion card--and he clearly must--he should take part in Christian events only. He doesn't belong in a synagogue either.

On Muslims: Not all believers in Islam are terrorists. However, I don't put much weight on this for the following reason: Worldwide, many Muslims admire the suicide bombers. The terrorists are the moral examples for many Muslims, which says voluems to me.

Not all believers in Islam are terrorist
Damn few of them will stand up and say so. Where are the powerful "Imams" offering their apology for the atrocities committed in the Name of ISLAM?

For Gestell
The only "moderates" amongst Muslims are in those regions where the first converts were voluntary (Bengal, Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Southeast Asia); even in those (Bangladesh, Maylaysia and Indonesia particularly), Islamic fanaticism has certainly been on-rise since 1975/08/16 (day after Mujibur Rehman was murdered).

For GOFER: no such mullahs will ever come forward, as they first have to apologise to Muslims (who have been amongst the victims of such atrocities--see current Darfur situation as well as 1971's "Operation Searchlight" for examples).

Zionism
Mr. Pipes should take some solace in the fact that American Christian Evangelists in soto voce strongly support the State of Israel, perhaps moreso than they ever have. At least one bright spot to consider in his pessimistic perspective.

After they take back Israel...
... they'll want Spain. After all, anything that was ever Muslim has to remain Muslim.

Yea, they are bloodthirsty for sure
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071011/ts_nm/religion_scholars _dc

yahoonews: Unprecedented Muslim call for peace with Christians

More than 130 Muslim scholars from around the globe called on Thursday for peace and understanding between Islam and Christianity, saying "the very survival of the world itself is perhaps at stake."

In an unprecedented letter to Pope Benedict and other Christian leaders, 138 Muslim scholars said finding common ground between the world's biggest faiths was not simply a matter for polite dialogue between religious leaders.

"If Muslims and Christians are not at peace, the world cannot be at peace. With the terrible weaponry of the modern world; with Muslims and Christians intertwined everywhere as never before, no side can unilaterally win a conflict between more than half of the world's inhabitants," the scholars wrote.

"Our common future is at stake. The very survival of the world itself is perhaps at stake," they wrote, adding that Islam and Christianity already agreed that love of God and neighbor were the two most important commandments of their faiths.

The list of signatories includes senior figures throughout the Middle East, Asia, Africa, Europe and North America. They represent Sunni, Shi'ite and Sufi schools of Islam.

The letter was addressed to the Pope, leaders of Orthodox Christian churches, Anglican leader Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams and the heads of the world alliances of the Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist and Reformed churches.

Aref Ali Nayed, one of the signatories and a senior adviser to the Cambridge Interfaith Program at Cambridge University in Britain, said the signatories represented the "99.9 percent of Muslims" who follow mainstream schools and oppose extremism.

rubbish...
this post is...

Pipe dreams
"Count the ways Israel is under siege: from Iranians building a nuclear bomb, Syrians stockpiling chemical weapons, Egyptians and Saudis developing serious conventional forces, Hizbullah attacking from Lebanon, Fatah from the West Bank, Hamas from Gaza, and Israel's Muslim citizens becoming politically restive and more violent."

Did you know that the occupation of the West Bank is immoral and the US is against it?

That Israel has at one point or another help in detention or prisons, which torture, one half of the Palestinian population?

That in the war last summer the wantonly killed 1000 civilians, women and children... Is that terrorism? dropping cluster bombs on civilians?

confused
This column is hard to make sense of because its key terms are not well defined. Zionism began as a move to create a jewish state in the territory occupied by jews during biblical times. That has been accomplished, so in some sense there should be no more zionists since the movement was designed to do what has already been done. It is somewhat like there being supporters of putting the first man on the moon.

But presumably Pipes wants to take the movement to mean those who want to preserve Israel's existence. But then it winds up morphing somehow into people who agree with a continuous war vision of how Israel's existence is to be preserved. If so, why is it supposed to be so shocking that so many jews do not see themselves as zionists. Is it shocking that many jews disagree with Pipes as to the best way to preserve Israel's future?

If the standard of anti-zionist is the numbers of people who deny the right of Israel to exist, that is certainly smaller today than it was in 1989.

Israel faces real threats, although the demographic bomb caused by Israel trying to hold land which is largely settled by non-jews is the greatest source of that.

A decade ago I would have said there was no serious threat to Israel's existence. Now I think Israel is not likely to have its existence threatened, but there is a distant possibility. The change, though, comes from the fact that people who agree with Pipes have made really bad decisions for Isreal. I don't pretend that makes them anti-zionists. They are merely ideologues and simpletons. But they can be more dangerous than anti-zionists.

Coulter says Pipes should be "Perfected
COULTER: Well, OK, take the Republican National Convention. People were happy. They're Christian. They're tolerant. They defend America, they --
DEUTSCH: Christian -- so we should be Christian? It would be better if we were all Christian?

COULTER: Yes.

DEUTSCH: We should all be Christian?

COULTER: Yes. Would you like to come to church with me, Donny?

DEUTSCH: So I should not be a Jew, I should be a Christian, and this would be a better place? (snip) We should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians, then, or --

COULTER: Yeah.

DEUTSCH: Really?

COULTER: Well, it's a lot easier. It's kind of a fast track.

DEUTSCH: Really?

COULTER: Yeah. You have to obey.

DEUTSCH: You can't possibly believe that.

COULTER: Yes.

DEUTSCH: You can't possibly -- you're too educated, you can't -- you're like my friend in --

COULTER: Do you know what Christianity is? We believe your religion, but you have to obey.

DEUTSCH: No, no, no, but I mean --

COULTER: We have the fast-track program.

COULTER: No, we think -- we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say.

DEUTSCH: Wow, you didn't really say that, did you?

COULTER: Yes. That is what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws. We know we're all sinners --

DEUTSCH: In my old days, I would have argued -- when you say something absurd like that, there's no --

COULTER: What's absurd?

DEUTSCH: Jews are going to be perfected. I'm going to go off and try to perfect myself --

COULTER: Well, that's what the New Testament says.

DEUTSCH: Ann Coulter, author of If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans, and if Ann Coulter had any brains, she would not say Jews need to be perfected.

To Taft
What exactly is the point of your post? The article addressed Israel's very real existential threats. What the hell are you talking about? The issues you bring up are definitely debatable and important ones to discuss, but what do they have to do with this article? Absolutely nothing.

To Taft
What is the point of your post? I mean, honestly...the points you bring up are valid, and very debatable, issues in Israel, but Pipes was addressing Israel's very real existential threats to its existence. Do you disagree that these exist? Do you disagree that Hezbollah and Hamas both seek the total destruction of Israel? Do you disagree that Iran poses a threat to Israel? What is the point of your post? The answer, I presume, is just that you are bigotted against Israel and are typical of leftist, Islam apologists nowadays. Don't just post something about the "occupation" in response to an article if the article deals with something COMPLETELY different. Your prejudice stinks of BS.

kinkyrusky
My point is, the treatment of Palestinians has some relationship between Islamic radicalism and the safety of Israel. I agree those groups are a danger, I also think we must look at what causes things and try to fix them as best we can. Do you know when and why Hezbollah was created? I am not bigoted against Israel and you may find many Israelis were not happy about the bombing campaign last summer or the treatment of Palestinians. I know they both hate each other's guts too. If we do bomb Iran, do you really think its going to make Israel one ounce safer or loved in the ME. No, love isn't everything, but why go courting hate when other logical answers are at hand.

re Taft
Spot On.

There are multiple parties involved.
One party's rights can not be respected unless all parties rights are respected.

Oh, and if these quotes exemplary of zionism, then I am anti-zionist.

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."
-- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to."
-- Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.

"This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy."
-- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971

"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more"....
-- Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online

ApolloSpeaks
Where in the world do you get your literature on Levant history? Try a little more scholarly, and unbiased sources.

The goyim are blind fools
Fear not Mr. Pipes, the x-tians of America are so stupid, and easily munipulated, they will continue to blindly support our Zionist, middle east Balkinization plan, even to the detriment of their own country. Once they are made to attack Iran for us, they will be committing themselfs to decades of fighting our enemies. X-tians used to be indifferent towards muslims, now they despise them as we do. G-ds chosen people can sit back, and watch x-tians do our dirty work, and the goyim will hate there own government, and curse there own leaders, but never us. They will continue to buy us billions in new military hardware, even as there own people go uninsured. All the while our fellow Zionists in the media, will continue to mock their false messiah, and and our fellows on the left will continue to foster hatred of all things x-tian. Zionism is as powerful as ever. There are more of us in positions of power than ever. After all, the secretery of homeland security, the most powerful position in terms of the safty of the country, is a duel Israeli-u.s. citizen. Also the media is making sure our pick, as the next president, Rudy Giuliani, a faithful Shabbos goy,who will continue an Israel first agenda, will win.

Israel needs to be held accountable too!
I've been a staunch supporter of Israel for years, and have cut them a lot of slack for some of their more agressive actions toward innocent civilians. However I believe it is time for the U.S. to take a more evenhanded approach to our relations with Israel and the Arab nations. America can no longer condone Israeli actions that are a form of terrorism also. The problem in this country though is we are not allowed to criticize Israel for fear of being charged as anti-semitic. Jimmy Carter was right - America is tolerating way too much suffering in that part of the world because of our support for Israel. Even Israeli's sense this which is why the hawks over there are losing their influence. It's time for America to take a fresh look at its middle east foreign policy.

if israel was nuked....
off the planet by the iranians life would be better for all Americans.

The arabs will go back to fighting each other like they did prior to 1948.

America doesn't need this parasite called israel.

israel is our misfortune.
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