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Wednesday, February 11, 2009
Dana Joel Gattuso :: Townhall.com Columnist
Stimulating Obama's Long-Term "Green" Agenda
by Dana Joel Gattuso
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As the House and Senate hash out their differences in the stimulus package and President Obama further bemoans Republicans’ “usual political games,” he should note that his critics extend far beyond the GOP. Democrats, Keynesian economists, and even the editorial pages of left-leaning print media have jumped into the fray, criticizing the stimulus package for its scope and long-term spending commitments that have little to do with stimulating the economy.

The Washington Post calls the package a “confusion of objectives,” and long-term growth goals covering health care, education, and renewable energy “are precisely the problem” and “either won’t stimulate the economy now, is of questionable merit, or both.”

Economist Alice Rivlin, President Clinton’s budget director, told the House Budget Committee in testimony that “what we used to call ‘stimulus’…has been merged into a broader concept of ‘recovery’ and investment in future growth.” She recommended that Congress decouple the “short-term” and “long-term” pieces of the legislation, focusing just on “temporary spending or tax relief priorities” that will “jump-start” the economy.

Harvard economist Martin Feldstein, who initially supported President Obama’s idea for a stimulus plan, is now staunchly against the package, calling it the “$800 billion mistake” and “not likely to do much for employment.”

Public support is shaky as well. According to a recent Gallup poll, only 38 percent believe the stimulus plan should be passed as President Obama proposed it; 17 percent reject it outright.

It’s not hard to see why the concern and negativism. What originally started as a $300 billion stimulus plan has morphed into a mammoth spending bill over $800 billion—that breaks down to over $2,600 per person—and has more to do with jump-starting the President’s long-term agenda for spending programs than jump-starting the ailing economy.

As Congress’s own budget office reports, the plan falls short of the President’s own demand early this year that the package create at least 75 percent of jobs by the end of 2010.

In particular, most of the spending for Obama’s “green” programs will take too long to have any affect on job creation during the recession. According to the Congressional Budget Office, only a speck of the funding for energy programs would be spent by the end of 2010 when new jobs are so urgent; four-fifths of the bundle would be spent long after economists predict the recession will have ended.

Rather, the President’s $100 billion “green stimulus” programs—including the goal to double renewable fuel use, to modernize the national electric grid system, and to develop “next generation” biofuels for automobiles—are more about fulfilling his long-term agenda to replace fossil fuels with renewable energy than about the urgent need to create jobs. Each of these entail massive, costly programs that carry huge costs and economic tradeoffs.

Furthermore, far from “shovel ready,” most of these goals are not economically viable, not fully developed beyond a theory, or both. They should be fully studied, debated, and subjected to the legislative process, rather than tacked on to a fast-track “stimulus” package.

For example, the “stimulus” package would provide $28 billion in subsidies for renewable energy. Over the past three decades, Washington has spent more than $115 billion on renewables—more than the Apollo program and the Manhattan Project together, according to Jim Tankersley of the L.A. Times—yet has precious little to show for it. In 2007, in spite of record-high gas prices and government-mandated use of the controversial corn-based ethanol, renewable energy was still just a drop of all energy consumed—less than 7 percent.

The stimulus plan favors wind and solar energy, providing billions of dollars in loans, tax credits, and R&D. Yet wind and solar, whose costs are astronomical compared to coal-based power, are still far from economically viable. Together, they provide less than half a percent of total energy consumed.

Some argue this is just the funding package we need to make wind and solar viable. But even the President’s Secretary of Energy Steven Chu appears overwhelmed at the task at hand: “We essentially need a second Industrial Revolution… we have to start inventing right, left and center.” But at what cost to American consumers? As L.A. Times’ Jim Tankersley says, “If [Obama] fails, he could cripple existing industries and squeeze cash-strapped Americans with higher energy prices.”

Another goal under the guise of economic “stimulus” is to spend $32 billion to overhaul the electric grid from a regional power system to a nationwide network, transporting renewable energy over 3,000 miles of new transmission lines to connect rural to urban areas. Not only are the shovels not ready; designs for the national grid do not even exist. According to Michael Moynihan, director of the Green Project with the Washington, D.C. think-tank, NDN, “Before you spend billions of dollars on new lines, you have to spend millions of dollars on design work…The planning just has not been done.”

In addition, the new grid could require federal legislation to address interstate issues, as well as permits and rights-of-way from states, localities, and citizens—reluctant to have massive transmission towers constructed in their jurisdictions and backyards.

A recent report by the Tennessee Valley Authority and other organizations that oversee power reliability, put the cost of the new power grid at close to a trillion dollars over the next 15 years, including constructing the transmission system and the wind turbines needed to produce the power.

Mr. Obama’s own budget director Peter Orszag said it most succinctly last year as head of CBO when he warned Congress that “some of the candidates for public works, such as grant-funded initiatives to develop alternative energy sources, are totally impractical for countercyclical policy, regardless of whatever other merits they may have. In general, many if not most of these projects could end up making the economic situation worse...”

President Obama has asked Republicans to stop playing politics. Rather it is President Obama himself who has played politics with the American people by selling his far-reaching, long-term agendas as a stimulus and burdening Americans with exorbitant energy costs for generations to come.

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Dana Joel Gattuso is at the National Center for Public Policy Research as a Senior Fellow.

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It's Getting Deep in Here!
Am I the only one who sees a double or triple meaning to Barry's new cliche "shovel ready," that he didn't intend to convey? ;)

If you ask me, his agenda, indeed his Presidency, is already "shovel ready."

That remark in which he claimed the economy might "never" recover if he didn't get his goodies was completely off base, and blows his cred right out of the water. Economies recover if left alone, only government can prevent it! Remember how much grief GWB caught for "talking down" the economy when, as a CANDIDATE, not POTUS, he or Cheney said something un-optimistic about the economy in 2000?!

Is this foolishness, or is it a veiled threat?

Remember Bill Clinton in 1993 walked in wanting to spend a pile of money ostensibly on aid to cities (then when that was shot down, it was recycled as the "crime bill") that was really a fat political payoff? Apparently this is now SOP for a new Demmie POTUS.

You Go First
If this bas**** is serious about a 'green agenda' he needs to install solar power at the WH and/or get the thermostat off of 78 degrees. This guy and his snarling wife are not hot house orchids. He also needs to park Air Force I, Marine I, and 'The Beast' and ride his G** d*** bicycle to work or take public transit. Didn't the Dems include money for Amtrak in the Porkulus Plan? Good, that will be useful to these two and their brats. His partners in crime have also designed golf-cart-type cars for the little people to use; he and his family can use those as well. He also needs to fore-go the $100.00/pound steak at his parties; in fact, he needs to fore-go all parties because of the carbon footprint that will be left by excessive energy use, travel, flatulence, and all the rest. This is the guy that told us that we would all have to 'sacrifice.' He is the leader, so he and his bunch can sacrifice first in order to show us how it is done. Congress can do likewise.

We need global warming now
The reason that so much of this planet has had drought for so many centuries is that we’ve been in an ice age, and the water needed for normal condensation has been frozen into glaciers. Glaciers are frozen water needed as condensation for barren and frozen lands of this planet, causing drought and flooding. When glaciers melt, some water runs into the oceans. Some water thaws the ground below where the glacier was, and soaks into the ground. Some water evaporates into the upper atmosphere where it becomes normal rainfall for the whole world.

The heat of the sun, clean air, and the absence of cold from glaciers and sea ice would cause more water to be evaporated from the oceans, lakes, and rivers into the upper atmosphere than there presently is; and the winds would blow it evenly around the world, providing normal rainfall world-wide, even where there presently is drought, and barren and frozen land, preventing flooding.

The worldwide rainfall would cause long-dormant seeds in barren lands to sprout and grow into new plants: The best way to go green. The new plants would inhale carbon dioxide and exhale oxygen, which we breathe. There would be so many new plants, that we might have to increase the amount of carbon dioxide we generate, to provide enough for all of them

If the glacier in Greenland would melt, the codfish would return, and the land could be farmed, as it was when originally colonized by Vikings, millennia ago.

Many parts of the world have record amounts of snow and ice. Arctic ice is as thick as it was in the 1970’s when an ice age was predicted. Polar bears, which had thrived during the previous decade, are heading south to escape the severe cold. We’re entering another ice age in 2014. We must drill and pump all our own oil, shale oil, natural gas, and mine our coal as soon as possible to have them available for use.

Dumbo's plan
Obama said that he intends to shut down the coal industry. He presented it as just stopping new coal-fired power plants from being built. There is a lot more to coal than that. This move will shut down the coal, iron, and steel industries and every industry that uses coal, iron, and steel.
Coal is used to power steam engines, heat some homes, and to make iron ore into iron the metal.
Coal is used to heat pig iron to form it.
Coal is roasted to make it into coke.
Coke is used to convert iron the metal into steel the metal.
Coal is used to form steel ingots into shapes like I-beams.
Steel is made into parts like nuts and bolts, angles, rebars, pipes, etc.
Reinforcing bars are needed for reinforced concrete.
Steel parts are made into machines such as lathes, harvesters, reactors, pumps, solar panels, and wind turbines.
Steel is needed for drilling and transporting oil, natural gas, coal, and nuclear fuel.

When all these industries go out of business, they will no longer pay the many taxes they now pay, nor pay the employees’ income taxes, nor pay the new taxes that put them out of business.
Dumbo's

Green Agenda
Firstly, we need to get off the "terrorist teat" for the oil we use! Our OWN nation has enough to supply our needs for the next 200 years! I predict that, without one red cent of governmental subsidies, our R&D will find a cheap, renewable energy within the next 50 years. (leaving us a 150 year "cushion") And before ANY of the polititions suggest we "sacrifice" any more, for the environment, let's mandate the REST of the world equal OUR standards of environmental stewardship! It makes NO sense to "tighten our belts" even more, while China & India (alone) continue to spew tons of carbon into the atmosphere every year! We Americans constitute about 10% of the threat to our planet. It's IMPOSSIBLE for us to solve the problem on our own, no matter how draconian our environMENTAL laws become!

Green = Payback to big donors
Ron and Katz You are both correct. Here in Texas we have surpassed Calif. in wind energy production. Ca. is against any type energy production so to correct that little problem they want a new power grid. Why, so they can mandate the amt. of energy Texas must send to looney land.I live in East Texas where there are gas wells all over the place. A new gigantic gas field that covers East Texas, N.W. La. and S.W. Ark. has been discovered. Now it will be opposed by the GREENS and there for the Dumbocrats because it will produce CO2. We pay a fee to pay to ship the gas we produce to the N.E.. My friend in NY heats with wood so each year he is billed for gas he did not use to help pay for shipping gas from here to him, I wonder who get rich from these fees. In the 1970 there was a small business in Burkburnett Tx.that was building wind turbines for home use, it grew, expanded, and was forced out of business. How much energy could that company have saved by now if it were still producing the home use turbines? Green will kill this country and our way of life if allowed to stop drilling for oil and gas. The new, improved electrical grid will insure power for the parts of the country that will not produce it, and make our standard of living obsolete. GOD bless the USA. Join the NRA>

Arnold's energy plan 1
1. How many solar panels are required to provide all the electricity needed, during the day, in CA, considering that not all panels would have full sun, all day, every day?
2. How many square miles of CA would be covered by these solar panels? Where would these solar panels be located? How many expensive homes would be displaced by these panels? How many homeowners would have their views ruined by the solar panels around them? How much electricity does each panel generate?
3. How many wind turbines would be required to provide all the electricity needed, during the night, in CA, considering that the wind doesn’t blow all the time, and sometimes so fast that they disengage from the generators? How much electricity does each windmill generate?
4. How many square miles of CA would be covered by these wind turbines? Where would these wind turbines be located? Considering that people in CA don’t want their scenery spoiled by having a few oil rigs miles out to sea, would they want thousands of windmills on the land? How much noise pollution will they generate? Does Arnold care?
5. How much property would CA take by eminent domain for the solar panels and wind turbines? How much tax revenue would they lose by taking these properties?
6. How much of this land is presently farmland used to grow crops, and how much is used to grow grapes to make into wine? How much food would be displaced, and how much farm revenue would be lost? How will CA pay for this “renewable energy”?
7. How much will it cost to shut down the existing coal-fired power plants, remove them, and replace them with solar panels and windmills? How many companies and jobs, paying how much in taxes, would be lost?



Mr. Doctor No On Green
There is nothing "universal" about Universal Healthcare.

Too old? Meet Dr. No

Recovered alcoholic needing a new liver? Meet Dr. No

Once smoked, but now found and needing a lung transplant? Meet Dr. No

Need a hip transplant, but are 10 pounds overweight? Meet Dr. No

Have a child with a 10% chance of survival? Meet Dr. No

Need medical treatment, because that Schip-covered illegal child needs cough syrup? Meet Dr. No

Need a proven, but expensive, medical treatment? Meet Dr. No, who uses a CBA (cost benefit analysis) to determine whether you should get it.

I could go on, but consider these: A British woman had to give birth on the floor because the hospital had already rationed all of the beds AND my French relatives, who pay 70% in taxes (which includes payment for socialized medicine), used to choose the US for medical care, are now thinking about Switzerland.

Lastly, when has the Government done anything correctly or cheaply?

Lesson for the day: Go look for that Social Security-Medicaid-Medicare lockbox, which both parties have looted since the beginning of time. Get back to me when you find it.

"GREEN" IS IRRELEVANT IF WE ARE DEAD FIRST!



Arnold's energy plan 2
8. Years ago, 10% of all pollution in CA originated in Red China, who has since announced that they were building 2200 new coal-fired power plants without the pollution control required in American power plants.
9. If all coal use is ended in CA, and the domestic pollution is decreased, a much higher percentage of pollution in CA will originate in Red China. This project will provide little or no relief from smog, considering the cost.
10. The solar panels would eliminate trillions of plants, all of which inhale CO2 and exhale oxygen. How would they eliminate the CA CO2 which originates in Red China?
11. Will they include underwater, tide-powered generators off the coast? Will they interfere with the surfers? How many would there be, and how much electricity would they generate?
12. How many solar panels would be required to replace one coal-fired power plant? How many to replace one nuclear power plant? How many wind turbines?
13. Nuclear and coal-fired power plants operate around the clock and provide large amounts of electricity. How would they match this with “renewable energy”?
14. Would solar panels and windmills be located in land where there are chaparral grass, Santa Ana winds, and fires?
15. How much will this project cost, to eliminate all coal, to replace it with “renewable energy”, to destroy jobs and other income-generation, to eliminate sources of tax revenue? Coal is an essential part of many industries. Will these industries be forced out of business, or out of CA? NO COAL = NO STEEL = NO SOLAR PANELS AND WIND TURBINES = NO RENEWABLE ENERGY.

Denise
Depends on the country. Universal health care in Taiwan actually works very well as it does in Sweden. Yes, the US would make a mess of it--it can't even issue passports in a timely fashion--but that doesn't mean every country does.


Ron
First, the world hasn't been in an ice age. The last one was the Little Ice Age that ended in 1850. Second, as for rainfall/snow, it depends. The Great Basin and northern Mojave was cooler in the last real Ice Age (10,000 years ago) but much wetter too. southern Nevada was alpine forest where today is it cresote bushes and Joshua Trees.

If global warming exists (and I doubt it), the Southeast is expected to become savanna--warmer but also much drier. The Sahara is warmer today than the last ice age, but also much drier and global warming will it cause it to expand not shrink.

I'd love for Georgia to be in Zone 11 or 10 instead of 7 due to global warming, but with the same rainfall and predictions if it occurs is not for that to happen. Drought plus the increase of population over the last 20 years has made water dicey as it is and we don't have a Lake Meade like southern Nevada does--we also have people still making lawns which take tons of water instead of Xeriscape. The Southern Nevada Water District will actually pay you to dig up your turf and xeriscape. I think it is 2$ a sq. foot for the first 1500 feet then $1 for each additional over 1500. Georgia should do that too.

The Green Agenda is a joke
Obama and the our fat ex VP are taking the people down a dangerous road to oblivion. Bio fuel's will never produce enough energy to power our world unless 95 percent of the population is dead. Wind will never produce more than 20% of the our future needs. All these folks are just trying to get rich on the backs of taxpayers.

Return of the Communications Major
Oh, how long have we waited for these pearls of wisdom! It must be nearly a year now. She's my hero, along with James, Peter and Lindsay.

This is
the BEST summation I have as yet to see of Spendulus.

Well done.

Ron
I never thought of that but it's true. Cold air holds much less moisture.

I also say that if they want to reduce CO2, then warming is what they want. Apparently they are blind to all the CO2 producing snow plows and blowers that their "cooler agenda" necessitates. Can you imagine how much is produced by having to clear vast numbers of parking lots and runways, city streets, alleys, rural roads, highways and interstates every time it snows? (Not to mention all those clearing private sidewalks

They also apparently don't notice that they produce a great deal more CO2 by having to heat their homes when it can be up to -40 below in the winter.

To be consistent, CO2 fearmongers should be praying for global warming because we produce less CO2 when it's warm.
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