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Sunday, January 04, 2009
Kevin McCullough :: Townhall.com Columnist
Why Liberals Still Think Like The KKK
by Kevin McCullough
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Anyone who spends time reading message boards related to online news articles today can see things that are readily self evident. One of these self evident truths is that today's political and theological left still very much represent the racism they did when they initiated a secret society named the Ku Klux Klan. They do so in the policies they argue for and more importantly in the criticism they level against those who are brave enough to take action.

Their anti-war extremism is one of the most telling signs.

But don't merely take my word for it. Here is a sample from the Jerusalem Post from an American named John Ash:

I never realized Israel and its supporters had so many people who cheer on killing and destruction. The enthusiasm for the "brave IDF" is kind of weird when you consider that the air force is dropping bombs on defenseless people and the army is invading with tanks and artillery. The Gazans have not one airplane or tank, so where is the bravery in bombing and invading a defenseless area?

From another American poster who goes by LibertarianSoul: I am so sick of this "war". Isreal has gone too far this time. Our country needs to let Isreal go it's own way. What is wrong with you people over there???? You've been fighting for thousands of years. When will it end? As a Jew, does God want you to kill Muslims? As a Muslim, does god want you to kill Jews? God will judge all of you in the end and I would think that judgement will not be in either of your favor. This is ridiculous.

These small samples were just the tip of the iceberg in the numbers of comments made.

Yet here's the problem...

When the party of left-wing America founded the Ku Klux Klan they did so because they wished to seize the rights of an entire people group, intimidate them into voting for the candidates they decided, and for anyone so messy as to get in the way they became people who did not deserve to live. One of the sitting members of the Unites States Senate who participated in Klan activity still sits seated by the same party that founded the Klan. His name is Robert Byrd. Power--even if gained through ruthless means--was the absolute objective to the Klan, and the Democrats who founded it.

The same historical parallel could be made by the ruthless rise of Adolph Hitler and his hatred based upon a person's race, skin color, or disability. For no better reason than to satisfy a dark perversion of his soul and to insure the kind of power that absolute fear instills in followers Hitler manipulated his own people to reach his objective, and to take lives. It should be pointed out that assisting him towards that goal was the patriarch of the newly revived (with granddaughter Caroline's Senate bid) Kennedy legacy. Joe Kennedy the father of Robert, John, and Edward sought to convince those at the end of World War I and through the duration of World War II that U.S. involvement by force was wasted effort, a task we could not make impact in, and ultimately the morally wrong thing to do.

It was Joe Kennedy then like his off-spring today who always threatened to undermine the legitimacy of U.S. military force. Force--I might add--that has never sought to expand the boundaries of our own "empire." And usually more times than not it was force that was used to liberate people, grant freedom to persecuted groups, and to topple genuinely evil concepts like Nazism, Facism, Totalitarianism, Communism, and on our own shores of slavery.

Thus the anti-war crusaders, and "progressive left" (as they like to view themselves) argue endlessly about the tragedy of collateral damage, innocent lives lost, and rights of the victims caught in crossfire.

Yet ne'er do they speak to the atrocities being committed prior to the engagement of the enemy. In America, none of the anti-war groups that wished to see Bush impeached, said even a word about Saddam's brutal crimes against his own people.

Some of these ant-war extremists even argued to me personally that the Civil War was not a war that deserved to be fought. That slavery would have been a better alternative to war. This said to my face by those who are members of the political party that founded the KKK.

Israel is the area of greatest hypocrisy for these types. For while they utter complaints about innocent "Gazans" who may have perished never once do they bring attention to the fact that it is the Palestinians own militant arm of terror that places those civilians in harm's way to begin with. American leftists never fail to mention body counts of those killed in war, but never do they find it convenient to mention the numbers of innocents lost by the original acts of terror that precipitate that engagement.

Since the official "cease fire" between Gaza and Israel thousands of missiles have been launched at southern Israel. Hamas--an avowed terror group who goes so far as to publish their goals and objectives online--has made calculated moves to place their base of operations in places they believe they won't be found--hiding in civilian areas.

Israel has taken on the difficult task of re-entering gaza going house to house to seek and destroy Hamas members, equipment, and resources so as to protect its own population. In one of the most notably noble acts one can undertake in war, they even telephoned those living near the Hamas targets prior to the bombing raids to allow them time to safely remove their families from the areas.

Despite that generosity Hamas has continued its all out assault and shows no sign of stopping.

We would do well to pray for quick and successful raids in the region, and praying that the only loss of life that is encountered are by Hamas members directly.

In doing this we can hope that less lives will suffer.

Because the alternative to not doing it looms as significantly greater loss for both sides involved.

And that is what Liberals have trouble understanding.

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The 'Green Arrow' People...

Okay, imagine yourself in the Left-turn lane of a busy intersection during rush hour...

The type that has a 'Green Arrow' which lights up for only 15 seconds to let you make your Left turn.

Now, recall those times that you're the 3rd car back, and the idiot at the front waits 13 seconds to start moving after the 'Green Arrow' lights up - Ensuring that the light turns Yellow for the 2nd car behind him.

Well, oftentimes that fella in the first car actually 'waits' on purpose (go figure).

No, he doesn't know the people behind him. They have in no way harmed him, or cut him off earlier. Nevertheless, this idiot purposely hesitates just to tick someone (anyone) off.

He cannot resist his 'secret' aggression. He has been 'sneaky' like this since early childhood. You may even know him personally...

He is your typical Liberal.

KKK, NAZIS, COMMUNISTS
They also act like Nazis. Read a letter from a Foreign Exchange student about his experience with liberals at a university at, http://stopthepresses2.blogspot.com/2009/01/dear-man-sland ers-column-disputes-today.html

Liberals carry a lot of Guilt

One reason why we see Liberals do the things they do is because of all the guilt they carry around.

Ohhh, Kevin...
You're in trouble now.
Don't you know only liberals are fair-minded and even handed?
Don't you know that only conservatives can be compared to nazis and the KKK?

Support the Fair Tax

You are a sick, sick twisted man
YOU simply like to see your name in print regardless of how it gets there. Your remarks are egregious, ill conceived and insulting beyond words. What is liberal about going to war? Nothing. It is usually the reaction of hawks and conservative militants. However, there are just reasons to go to war. Unlike the Bush Administration, this was not a preemptive use of force (The Bush Doctrine). Over 10,000 rockets have been fired by Hamas into Israel. The US would have done the same, and probably with more overwhelming force, death and destruction than Israel has. So would any other nation. No one would fault anyone other than Jews for taking a strong defense against terrorism. At what point do you say, "enough is enough?" There are only 17 million Jews on Earth today. There are less than 8 million living in Israel. There are well over 1 billion Muslims. Jews have a right to live in peace also. And they have a right to defend themselves against persecution and attack. If you lived under threat of violence everyday, from neighbors who want you dead the minute you were born, you would understand. I feel for the Palestinan people, but not for Hamas. Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia use the Palestinians as pawns. With their wealth, why don't they make life better for the Palestinians? Because they could care less about them... except the Palestinians have a purpose. That purpose is to antagonize Israel.
I'm an atheist. I see religion being the bane of mankind. It's all made-up baloney. But beyond religion I also see that mankind embraces hatred over peace. And you help in that process. You and the previous commentators are cockroaches. You spread antisemitic hate dressed in delusion.

The UN's agenda 21 explains all
In the last 20 years the United Nations have been sneeking in it's AGENDA 21
Both parties have fallen for it hook,line and sinker...
If you've hated the way this country has turned you should have a look here on the UN's website and read the proposal.

I have been dismayed about the turn this country has taken to say the least now,
I understand.
We need to pull out of the UN and until we do that we'll be headed on a one way street to "sustainable development" (aka Marxism) as the UN puts it.

UN's agenda 21

http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/documents/agenda21/english/ag enda21toc.htm

R..Maybe I missed something
Kevin wrote a good column about the 'why' and 'how' Israel was pushed into this response and you take off on a rant. I'm only surprised the air strikes and invasion didn't start earlier but now that it has I wish them well. The "liberals" have already started their cries that this is unnecessary, Israel is not reponding in a "proportional" manner etc. Hogwash. I learned a long time ago "proportional" was the bullet you placed to insure the enemy was dead, cause if he's dead he can't hurt you.

Agenda 21 on education
A. Reorienting education towards sustainable development

Basis for action

36.3. Education, including formal education, public awareness and training should be recognized as a process by which human beings and societies can reach their fullest potential. Education is critical for promoting sustainable development and improving the capacity of the people to address environment and development issues. While basic education provides the underpinning for any environmental and development education, the latter needs to be incorporated as an essential part of learning. Both formal and non-formal education are indispensable to changing people's attitudes so that they have the capacity to assess and address their sustainable development concerns. It is also critical for achieving environmental and ethical awareness, values and attitudes, skills and behaviour consistent with sustainable development and for effective public participation in decision-making. To be effective, environment and development education should deal with the dynamics of both the physical/biological and socio-economic environment and human (which may include spiritual) development, should be integrated in all disciplines, and should employ formal and non-formal methods and effective means of communication.

A Sick Individual
What this guy likes to do is make sweeping generalizations about entire groups based on the actions or comments of a few. He even uses a grandfather's actions to prove that his grandchildren are evil or something that someone did 50 years ago.

His prefered target is "liberals". Somehow even the concern for civilian casualties is evidence of evil if the concern is expressed by a "liberal".

How long would we take it?
If Cuba, Canada or Mexico were lobbing missiles over the border, how long would Chicago, Miami, New York and Los Angeles be willing to sit still for it?

I suggest that it wouldn't get much past the first launch before those folks made the acquaintance of the U.S. Military.

Why should Israel be any different?

Should we take the position as a country that that those other countries are only targeting blue cities with high Jewish populations?

No, we would be screaming for blood, and don't you think otherwise. Israel has a right to defend themselves and to rely on the free world for assistance.


Democrat, yes. Liberal, never.

KMC might be able to draw a line between the KKK and the Dixiecrats of the South, but he'll have to work harder if we're to see the connection between it and liberalism. (I wonder how many Klansmen voted liberal D this past time around.)

As for using the force of the US military against the Nazis, wasn't it a leftist named Roosevelt who led the charge?


How long would we take it;
Let me spin it the other way; if the Klan or the Aryan Nation were lobbing missiles into Tiajuana, would anyone care how "proportionate"Mexico's response was?

RE: How long would we take it by terry
Terry,

the differance between our terrorist groups here in the US lobbing missiles into Tijuana and Hamas lobbing missiles into Israel is that we would make a concerted effort to stop the action before Mexico had a reason to launch a disproportianate response. The Palistineans have done no such thing.

tr1
I have heard the left call the Republicans racist for years, but I just don't see it. The Republicans aren't racists; they're liars. While running for office, they promise to cut spending, but once in office they increase spending. The lone exception is Ron Paul, the only Congressman on either side of the aisle who takes his oath of office seriously.

The Democrats, on the other hand, are incredibly racist. They think a person's skin color ought to determine tha way that person thinks. They think people of different races should be treated differently, should be held to different standards. They repeat daily and loudly the lie that the opposition is racist to distract people from the truth that they are the real racists. Joseph Goebbels was absolutely correct about repeating a lie loudly enough and often enough. He was the smartest and most educated of Hitler's henchmen.

Doug
During a cocktail party conversation with a lady who went through WWII in Berlin, she talked about Goebbels. She characterized him as bright and brave, but who put his career and patriotism ahead of his humanity and found himself serving evil. She said during the final days, Hitler and most of his twisted henchmen disappeared, but Goebbels drove the streets, standing up in the backseat of an open car, encouraging and inspiring the Berliners. He was usually met with cheers. Goebbels committed suicde. I believe he took his family with him. Did he drive the streets of ruined Berlin, hoping someone would assassinate him?

R
I guess that stands for "Ridiculous Rant"

Pistol
Perhaps he did. It would have suited his fragile ego more than suicide. His high intellectual achievements were in part to compensate for his deformed leg (which kept him from being a soldier in WWI, something he desperately wanted) and his small stature (5'5" 130lb). Physical perfection was highly valued in Nazi Germany.
Being in total control of the dissemination of information, he spread the lie that his limp was from being wounded in WWI. He did indeed poison his six children and his wife before taking his own life.

Robert Byrd

As a conservative, I like Robert Byrd, both for being an "old school" orator (although he has lost a step or two) and for the fact that he professes to love the Constitution and always has a copy of it in his breast pocket. How many in the Senate do that? He can also be expected to cross party lines now and then, which is more than one can say for many of the rubber stamp senators on both sides.

Sorry this was off topic, but then what was the topic?

Hawkeye58
Carrying around a copy of the Constitution is not the same as adhering to it. He has wasted more taxpayer money on unconstitutional legislation than anyone other than Ted (good riddance!) Stevens and the soon-to-be-gone GW Bush. There is only one man in Washington who actually follows the document to the letter, and that's Ron Paul.

Warning: Not for the faint of heart

I'm hesitant to post a link to such a biased source, but you probably owe it to yourself to glimpse at what the word "disproportionate" means to a Palestinian:

http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of- the-story



Does anyone remember
Daniel Pearl? The outcry from the left over his brutal beheading was nil! Oh but when the second in command of Al Queida calls BHO a "house negro" the outrage from the left was THUNDEROUS! Maybe if we can get our enemies and those of Isreal to sling racial epithets we'd have the full backing of liberals to obliterate our foes.

Maybe Hamas
will stop using civilians as shields and target actual military targets in Isreal instead of busy streets, schools and construction sites....then Isreal's response to Hamas' terrosism may be more "proportionate".

At least in a few days
Obama can step in and vote "present" when it comes to making any decisions regarding Israel and Hamas.

Definitely not for the faint of heart
ITz, it's good that you hesitate to post from such a biased source as this would be purely an appeal to emotionalism, an attempt to halt rational argument, a well known liberal tactic.

These people are known to fake many pictures. Non-the-less, I'm sure the Israeli have many of their own horror shots, but prefer, in honor of their dead and wounded, not to use them as propaganda.

The Dragon Awaits
The columnist McCullough's attack of old Joe Kennedy was really not necessary, considering one of his sons, Joe, Jr., sacrificed his life in WWII and the other, JFK, was gravely wounded.
Israel, in my opinion, is attacking the wrong enemy. The IDF should be taking out Iran because Iran is financing Hamas and meanwhile developing nuclear weapons to destroy the whole state of Israel.

Israel is swatting flies near its country while a dragon prepares to incinerate every Israeli citizen.

Democrats and Three Strikes = KKK
(1) Slaveowners broke up families. Thanks to "welfare," 70% of all black children in the U.S. are now born into a home where dad isn't there. (2) Slaveowners didn't want slaves to be educated. Today, liberals protect the public school educracy and stand in the way of educational choice. (3) "Minimum wage" legislation keeps disproportionateley undereducated blacks from getting a first job. If this were a baseball game, some guy in left field would be putting up three "K's."

Jeffersonian Constitutionalist... #3
"One reason why we see Liberals do the things they do is because of all the guilt they carry around."
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Absolutely Right!

Deep down the Liberal possesses a pathological worthlessness. Guilt and Shame are who they are.

Liberals never recovered from the early childhood years. A difficult time when most children realize they are not the center of 'their' universe.

Rejecting their impending separation from their universe (momma) - Liberals turn inward, creating a fantasy world whereas truth and reality is a self-creation.

It's a sad life and worthy of pity.


The History of the KKK
Mr. McCollugh needs a history lesson. His attempt to equate liberalism with the KKK is just a desperate attempt to liberal bash with no historical justification.

The KKK was founded in 1865 by veterans of the confederate army. The democratic party was Americas majority party and was not always a liberal party. It was certainly a racist party made up of white southern racists democrates, including the Klan. But dosen't mean they were liberals.

Mr. McCollugh assumes that democrates always = liberalism. Not True.

The Democratic Party stared its path to liberalism with the New Deal, then the voting rights act.

This caused an exodus of fiscal conservatives and racists to flee the democratic party and move to the Republican party. Today David Duke is a Republican. KKK members are Republicans and more closely aligned with conservative causes. To keep the Southern voting Bloc, Republicans have played to racial fears and stereotypes (Regans Welfare queen, Willie Horton, Barack the magic Negro)

Senator Byrd was a KKK member. But he is an old man who represents the old Democratic party before the 1965 civil rights act. To claim he is an example of liberalism and the KKK is a real stretch and a distortion of history.



Doug...
I heartily agree. There is one individual in congress that has the courage to follow his moral convicitons. That man also belives in the oath he swore to when he entered congress. His name is Ron Paul. A visionary that scared the living pi$$ out of the republican establishment. That is the reason he was marginalized, censored and shut out at every turn during last years election.

Nothing has changed
If you go on some of those posts liberals still want to impose on your liberties and they still want anyone who thinks differently to die. They are foul mouthed, ignorant and crude.

As for the Kennedys they are like a open wound that just won't close. Caroline ought to just go away and live quietly on the millions of taxpayer dollars the Kennedys have stolen over the years.

As for Isreal they are serving up just what hamas and company deserve.

And liberals need to remember that their superstar hero, friend of obama, Coward bill ayers said that in revolution innocent people have to die.

Just ask the three police officers who the weatherunderground MURDERED!!!!!!!

liberal scum.

stedes... Correct, it's not true...
"Mr. McCollugh assumes that democrates always = liberalism. Not True."
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No, not all Democrats are Liberals. Most are just too ignorant (via the MSM) to know who they are voting for/with.

You do realize that the Majority of Obama voters know/knew little about him.

Quite a few are confused about the News coverage from Mumbai and Gaza... They actually thought Obama would part the waters and bring them Peace on Earth.

Now all they hear from the Obama Regime is "No Comment!"

Bubbles are Popping :-)

terry
Lob missiles at Mexico???

Just lob here at Texas and you would kill more Mexicans than Americans.

You would have to lob them at Cancun or another resort to kill Americans.

And for all you do gooder libs who take offense to everything that is posted here, I actually like most of the Mexicans I know here in Texas.
They are Christians, most are Conservative and work harder than the liberal punks that come into our cafe and spend mommy and daddy's money.

A Right Cross to the chin
I believe in boxing, this article would be called a Right Cross to the chin.....


stedes
the strategy that the gop(read far right fringe) has been using for the last couple of years is that the democratic party is the party of racism.

This is true but we must remember there was a time when social conservatives were primarily southern and were oposed to civil rights as a whole.

Certainly to paint democrats/liberals as the racists is a pretty dishonest tactic when history show that social conservatism stood in the way of women's and minotities rights since the antebellum period.

As a Republican with need or want for the social conservatives in my party I see good signs that Oabam will govern from the center eschewing both the far right and the far left. This will be a good thing for country. People who call liberals racist by way of ideology are not representative of the future of the GOP.

But I can assure you that as the social conservative breed goes the way of dodoo they will not go quietly into that good night.
But go away they must.

Liberals Think?
I've never met a liberal who could "think" through an argument without eventually using emotion/feelings as a crutch.

So how is that thinking?

lTz3Td52
Post -Subject: Democrat, yes. Liberal, never.

KMC might be able to draw a line between the KKK and the Dixiecrats of the South, but he'll have to work harder if we're to see the connection between it and liberalism. (I wonder how many Klansmen voted liberal D this past time around.)

you might want to check your facts, the kkk did endorse BHO.

Wishing Kevin Well
in his new career as a full-time, professional revisionist historian and science fiction author, in charge of trying to convince the world that the last eight years never happened.

stedes
you might want to check your facts, the kkk did endorse BHO.


I know McCullough is considered to be
a deep thinker by most conservatives, but this thread is actually more like watching a geek show than a serious opinion forum.

Do you all really wonder why most people now look on the right wing with embarrassment for it's remaining supporters?

Speaking of conservative deep
thought, has anybody noticed that there is one item about the war in Gaza, none about the economy, or Afghanistan?

But never fear, there is always Gallagher to keep the TH audience entertained and amused, along with other serious articles like the death of a celebrity child and another about Anne Coulter, who in her attacks on Michelle Obama's clothes, also reveals her in-depth analysis of current events and cutural exploration.

Liberal train of thought
"I am so tolerant and kind and good. It is always wrong to go to war, arrest criminals, or say bad things about other people. Now hold still while I insult and denigrate all who disagree with me...to the point I will call them intolerant, unkind, evil, and racist. Oh, and I will get away with it."

Liberalism truly is mental illness.

Proof of thought processes
All one needs to do is see the response from State Sen. Kirk Watson, an Obama supporter, when questioned regarding Obamas legislative accomplishments. Perfect example of "liberal thinking".

Rum Dog... If TH is offensive to you...

Just leave.

You won't find TH Conservatives whining like children on D-Kos - So why come here and post your empty childish gibberish?

Maturity boy, maturity. See #29 (and a therapist).

mccullough
man you need a proofreader and a history lesson.either your column is disingenous or you don't know what you are talking about.probably a little of both.

Kevin's delusional pattern
I am a pretty moderate guy. I read a lot and talk about events and ideas with my friends, both conservative and liberal. We can usually find things we agree upon and we always treat each other with respect.

Kevin, on the other hand, must have been scared by a liberal as a child, or perhaps he just feels threatened by anyone who fails to share his own reactionary views.

I'm always amazed at Kevin's characterizations of liberals since I don't know a single one who thinks as he describes liberals thinking. Most understand history a whole lot better than he does (not at all based upon this column), think a lot more clearly than he does and make a lot more sense. Most conservatives I know share these same attributes.

I am comng to the conclusion that Kevin's shtick is to simply find things he disagrees with, attribute them to liberals and work himself into a righteous rabid lather.

His delusions are sometimes amusing and occasionally find some sympathy in these posts. Those who like this kind of thing apparently find this to be the kind of thing they like.

As for me, I'm always amazed to watch Kevin's incessant battle with the liberal demons that exist only in his head.

understanding
Liberals don't have trouble understanding, they never try to understand.

Carlos and the 'Green Arrow' People...
"He cannot resist his 'secret' aggression. He has been 'sneaky' like this since early childhood. You may even know him personally...

He is your typical Liberal."
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Then why did I see a McCain/Palin sticker on his back bumper?

The educate Kevin McCullough Fund
I propose we start a fund to pay for a basic public school education for the hilariously ignorant Mr. Kevin McCullough. I say this not because his article is filled with sentence fragments and other glaring grammatical errors that would not pass muster on a high school term paper, but because his understanding of history would not be enough to get him through most public middle schools.

Reading comprehension is an important skill taught in most elementary schools, and one Kevin clearly does not possess. Clearly, he saw the word "Democrat" in an article about The States' Rights Democratic Party (AKA The Dixiecrats), got excited, and didn't read the rest of the article, or he surely would have realized that these federalist pro-segregation southerners have nothing to do with the Democratic party of today. And for the record, they did not start the KKK, it was founded in the 1860's by veterans of the civil war who were upset about the reconstruction era's equivalent of affirmative action. Very poor research, Kevin.

Clearly Kev needs to learn some critical thinking skills, because he apparently does not ever question anyone who can claim that a war effort is being undertaken to "liberate someone." Never mind that loss of life should be taken seriously and war should be a last resort; you are an appeaser if you question politicians who can spin a war as a noble cause. This unquestioning, lock-step conformity actually has quite a bit common with the cultural climate of Nazism, but let's not go there; it is intellectually lazy to compare everything you dislike to Hitler.

Aside from this unbelievable ignorance of history, this article is, simply put, crap. Liberals are bad! Liberals are Nazis! Liberals are the KKK! The boogeyman! No substantive reasoning is presented, and the entire screed can all be summed up thusly: liberal bad, conservative good.

F-, Kevin. Do your homework.

rts says:
"you might want to check your facts, the kkk did endorse BHO."
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You might want to stop getting your facts from The Daily Squib and The Onion.

Kevin is Clueless
Kevin McCullough sounds like Walter Berns ("Making Patriots") and the other Vampires at AEI, Claremont, etc (who deify that mass murderer Lincoln & quote him to justify the excesses of the state). That bunch of Marxist/Fascist/National Greatness neocons wants to spend american lives to export democracy to 'poor backward savages' whether they want it or not.

"...Yet ne'er do they speak to the atrocities being committed prior to the engagement of the enemy. In America, none of the anti-war groups that wished to see Bush impeached, said even a word about Saddam's brutal crimes against his own people."

It is not, NOT worth the life of a single American Marine to 'liberate' someone who is being oppressed in another country. I spent 9+ years playing that game. If Kevin wants to rescue some poor oppressed soul, let him pick up a gun and sally forth on his own.

"Some of these ant-war extremists even argued to me personally that the Civil War was not a war that deserved to be fought."

That is absolutely TRUE! The grossly mis-named 'Civil War' (a civil war is, in fact, a war in which two parties are fighting for control of the same country) Was actually the War for Southern Independence; and was the first illegal war fought by statists in Washington.

"That slavery would have been a better alternative to war."

That last sentence is Kevin's attempt to lie and spread filth of the lowest order. Most folks who have actually read a history book with an interest in the truth know that slavery would likely have ended rather quickly had the Confederacy been left alone in its desire to withdraw from the compact.

The KKK ENDORSED B.O.
I think you need to read KKK history. They originally organized because the Northern blacks were coming into the war ravaged South and looting and raping the women. The KKK endorsed B.O. because he is anti Zionist as they are. In his book he said "I will stand with the Muslims if things get nasty." Overseas he said the Zionists would get nothing from his regime.

southern Dems c. 1865 were the party of
right wing America.

So this sentence is totally incorrect and ignorant of post Civil War
politics:
"When the party of left-wing America founded the Ku Klux Klan they did so because they wished to seize the rights of an entire people group, intimidate them into voting for the candidates they decided, and for anyone so messy as to get in the way they became people who did not deserve to live."

The radical Republicans were the party of liberalism back then.

southern Dems were mostly conservative until around 1980 when
many decided to switch parties. White Southern Dems are still seen
as more conservative than their counterparts.

Reminder...

The Title says... "THINK"

"Liberals Still 'THINK' Like The KKK"

Kevin didn't say Liberals 'ACT' as the Klan did/does. So, please stop the ignorant "Conservatives are Racist" bit. Kevin is just dipping into the warped psychology of the Liberal mind as it compares to the old Klan mindset (I think there's a book out on the Liberal mindset).

Now, go off and order your Obama collector's set :-)

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The KKK ENDORSED B.O.- follow up
So I gather this the smoking gun, proof of liberalism and the KKK...?

The TH rant against liberalism is over the top and silly. One would suspect THer's do not just disagree with liberals, but view them as an evil force that needs to be destroyed. There is no compromise to be reached. Recently there was a TH article that equated liberalism with huamn sacrifice. Now liberals are the KKK.

You folks at TH are essentially taking yourselfs out of any rational discussion of issues. YOu have a distorted and stereotypic view of liberals that has nothing to do with reality.

On the issue of racism. This is part of our American history and culture. From the Pilgrims, to our founding fathers through today, racism has been part of our history. To single out Liberals is just assinine. Historically Conservatives, Liberals, Republicans and Democrates are all guilty of it. So stop the blame game and take responsibility...

To Buster IL
I believe U TOTALLY have a grip on the problem, or part of it!
MY Senator Byrd, for whom I don't vote, is not interested in the KKK now, if ever.. NOT ENOUGH PORKBARREL $ to siphon off..

Very interesting.
This article will surely tick off the left because they are in denial about what this party really stands for. Dems have a plantation owner mentality. Very sad. I just hope I live to see the day that some of these sheep followers discover what freedom is all about. To NOT live the American dream is just sad.

does libertarian = liberal
re: McCullough quoting "libertarian soul"

Maybe when it comes to social policies.

But as far as foreign policies libertarians fall more in line with classic
conservative policies and away from neo-conservative policies.

Not when it comes to economic policies either.

Was Ron Paul a liberal?

About Ron Paul
Enough with the RP hero worship, please. What a hypocrite!

Christians, Klans, and Liberals...

Conservatives find the psychotic remnants of the former Klan just as repulsive as Liberals do (even more so).

But strangely, Liberals find Christianity just as repulsive as the Klan ???

I don't think there will ever be a 'common ground' as long as Liberals entertain such nonsensical thoughts of moral equivalency.

LMAO
Kevin you really are a nasty piece of work. LOL First of all no matter who founded the KKK it is all conservatism's now. Where the heck do you think all this anti tax rubbish came from? Directly out of Brown versus the Board of Education and the Federal Government's crushing of state sponsored racism and segragation. But like the classic fundamentalist conservative that you are you seek to blame your opponent of being exactly what you are.

"...Yet ne'er do they speak to the atrocities being committed prior to the engagement of the enemy..."

You lie and lie but are you saying two wrongs make a right? I mean that IS moral relativism.

Look, Israel is an ally just as Britian was an ally enduring terrorists bombings while the very bombers raised funds in the US. Israel terrorises Palistineans just as they terrorise Israelis. As far as I am concerned a pox on both their houses and we should stop providing huge amounts of aid to Both Israel and the Arabs.

Semper Libertas
You should only wish you were half the man Ron Paul is.

Max
"Date: Jan 4, 2009 - 2:54 PM EST Very interesting.
This article will surely tick off the left because they are in denial about what this party really stands for..."

Civil rights and freedom IS what we stand for Max and we have proven it beyond a doubt. How do you think your ilk became conservatives? It was called the civil rights act

"... Dems have a plantation owner mentality. Very sad. I just hope I live to see the day that some of these sheep followers discover what freedom is all about. To NOT live the American dream is just sad. "

LMAO the American dream is anything but conservative values and hate. You really ought to stop lying or being ignorant. I know I suggested it to you before go ahead and take a chance try being a responible citizen and let go of the hate

Hal Donahue....
"First of all no matter who founded the KKK it is all conservatism's now."
------------------------------------------

Do you not see the cruelty and divisiveness in your statement?

Probably not... because you "THINK" like the KKK.



Hal Donohue - PROVE IT
"Civil rights and freedom IS what we stand for Max and we have proven it beyond a doubt."

If that is the case, then on Jan 21, 2009 I expect to see the switchboard light up, followed by a late-night session in which that abomination known as USA PATRIOT I & II is abolished without comment or debate.

Further, since any thinking human knows that individual liberty, political liberty, & economic liberty are inextricably linked...I'll be awaiting the reduction in government confiscation of my income, government regulation of my trade, and government regulation of my social life.

I'll be 'the one' over in the corner turning blue as I hold my breath for the return of my freedoms stolen under previous administrations.

Carlos
"Date: Jan 4, 2009 - 3:52 PM EST Hal Donahue....
"First of all no matter who founded the KKK it is all conservatism's now."
------------------------------------------

Do you not see the cruelty and divisiveness in your statement? "

A while back I swore no more letting conservatism's spin go unchallenged. I speak only what is true. Do you realise more "Americans" came from Africa than Europe? Do you know that?

"...Probably not... because you "THINK" like the KKK..."

How long have you been a member to know how they think? LOL

Clearly it is TWOMAY who doesn't know
history...

Read this link TwoMay and follow the 150 footnoted sources. It should provide for you a manageable summary of the black experience and its association with the Democratic party...

http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=134#_e dn50

re: Doug
quote: "You should only wish you were half the man Ron Paul is. "

If I were a Congressman, I wouldn't be inserting earmarks into bills, ensuring that tax money is confiscated from one group to provide pork barrel spending benefiting another group. If that somehow makes me less of a man than Rep. Paul, so be it.

re: Hal Donahue
quote: "Civil rights and freedom IS what we stand for Max and we have proven it beyond a doubt."

Are taxes and government regulation more likely to increase or decrease under a left-leaning government? If you say "increase", then you can not then claim to stand for freedom.

Tis the season for revisionists....
First, we get a full-court press by the Bush administration..We get Condi and Dubya and Cheney going on every news program to re-do the history of POTUS 43 (Iraq,Katrina,bailout, etc)...I would guess that Kevin is exercising his conservative god-given right to re-write history...Let's put aside the nonsense about whether the "left" or "right" produced the Klan. Uh Kevin, I don't think that political party ideology was a disqualification for membership...The sad part is that there are Conservative kool-aid drinkers that believe this garbage....Kevin conveniently forgets to include that the noble GOP sold their birthright (Where have you gone, "Party of Lincoln"?) in a purely political effort to establish a Presidential-election stranglehold for decades. The "Southern Strategy" used the "Civil Rights Amendment" and "Voting Rights Amendment" to encourage the mass party switching of disenfranchised White voters (Klan, or otherwise)..Oh, I'm sorry...That was part of the LAST decade's GOP "revisionists" effort.

TruthHurts it appears you tooq

Semper Libertas
"Date: Jan 4, 2009 - 4:28 PM EST Subject: re: Hal Donahue
quote: "Civil rights and freedom IS what we stand for Max and we have proven it beyond a doubt."

Are taxes and government regulation more likely to increase or decrease under a left-leaning government? If you say "increase", then you can not then claim to stand for freedom. "

I hope so and yes I can, The days of living off the taxes of others is over. If you equate freedom with taxes then you have no concept of either. Regulations? I hope so some one needs oversight of everything from banks to toys note I said oversight not control

If most KKK members now vote GOP
how do you explain Robert Byrd?

Carlos
You said, "I don't think there will ever be a 'common ground' as long as Liberals entertain such nonsensical thoughts of moral equivalency".

I said on another thread the other day that the reason I believe that liberals seem to regard what Israel is doing right now vs. what Hamas is doing - and has been doing ever since Israel pulled out of the Gaza Strip - in the same moral light is that liberals today are unable - or unwilling - to distinguish between good and evil. When you don't believe in absolutes, as is true of so many liberals, such an inability distills from that. And of course, this spills over into other realms: economic, social, etc.

And Hal Donahue:

If you read this, please don't try to engage me in a discussion regarding the current Palestinian-Israeli warfare. We've already had this discussion, and I made it very clear to you at the time that I have no sympathy for the Palestinians because they've let their territory become a warbase against Israel. And since THEY initiated the present active hostilities, they bear the full responsibility for the deaths of their own civilians. If the world's cameras show tens of thousands of Gaza Strip civilians dead in the course of the current fighting, my attitude is, as I made clear to you before, is that since they wanted war, they're getting it - and if they want their civilians to live, then they'd better stop using the Gaza Strip as a missile launching pad against Israel. As long as Hamas continues to do so, even if its civilians die in Dresden-level numbers in the present conflict, my attitude is, the bloodguilt for that is wholly on Hamas, not Israel.

Robert Byrd, the political parties
is not a member of the KKK.
He was before he served in Congress (1952) - so we are talking about
his activities before the Korean War - I don't think any one has a real
argument that he is sympathetic to HIS OWN BELIEFS before 1950 - his beliefs have changed -

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/robert_byrd.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Robert_Byrd_Civil_Right s.htm

So have both parties since the Civil War.

the Republican party was more against racism (esp. against blacks) than the Democratic (WHITE) Party c. 1865 we can guess that the
greater participation by blacks in the Democratic party today (esp.
the election of a black president from their party) shows they are not
the racist party. The official positions of both parties can be said not
to be racist either.

If not Byrd, then Duke
I am not sure what David Duke's affiliation with the KKK is anymore
but I think UNLIKE Byrd we can still say he believes in their main
ideas - he switched parties - I think Wikipedia (or a better site) will
show this change at the same time the South started to go Republican.

re: Hal Donahue
quote: "I hope so and yes I can, The days of living off the taxes of others is over. If you equate freedom with taxes then you have no concept of either. Regulations? I hope so some one needs oversight of everything from banks to toys note I said oversight not control "

Taxation and freedom are infinitely related. The higher the level of taxation, the less freedom I have to spend the fruits of my labor as I see fit, to use my property for my own benefit.

The higher the level of government regulation, the less freedom I have to act as I see fit.

Obviously, the government has to be funded. However, I think that the government needs to stick more to its true purpose -- protecting individual liberty. Instead, too often it involves itself in either transferring property from one to another, or providing special benefits for one group at the expense of another.

Every decision the government makes is a decision individuals and families can't make for themselves.

KMC
What is your link supposed to prove?
It imo proves what truthhurts, twomay (to some degree), and I among
others have said that the Democratic Party in the South was racist, but
beginning with the passage of the Civil Rights bills of the mid 60s, but
especially with the election of Reagan in 1980 most of these white
conservatives switched parties. Most blacks in the south when choosing a party choose the Democratic Party.

Standshisground
"Date: Jan 4, 2009 - 5:21 PM EST Carlos
You said, "I don't think there will ever be a 'common ground' as long as Liberals entertain such nonsensical thoughts of moral equivalency".

...And Hal Donahue:

If you read this, please don't try to engage me in a discussion regarding the current Palestinian-Israeli warfare. We've already had this discussion, and I made it very clear to you at the time that I have no sympathy for the Palestinians because they've let their territory become a warbase against Israel..."

and as I maintained then and now you are right AND wrong because Israel has continued to violate the agreement also to assinate Hamas and other leaders. BOTH are guilty

"...And since THEY initiated the present active hostilities, they bear the full responsibility for the deaths of their own civilians..."

NO NOT TRUE right now conservatively the Israelis are killing 100 innocent civilians for every dead Israeli civilian. Nice huh? And I say again Hamas and Israel BOTH started this latest round a pox on both their houses

"... If the world's cameras show tens of thousands of Gaza ...Strip as a missile launching pad against Israel..."

They did not "start" it

"... As long as Hamas continues to do so, even if its civilians die in Dresden-level numbers in the present conflict, my attitude is, the bloodguilt for that is wholly on Hamas, not Israel..."

You are wrong here completely wrong and over 40 plus years Israel has reaped EXACTLY what it sowed but I do understand how a conservative could care less about civilians

ropati
"Date: Jan 4, 2009 - 5:00 PM EST Subject: If most KKK members now vote GOP
how do you explain Robert Byrd? "

Very easy Byrd is NOT a member of the KKK and has condemned the organization

Everyonesfacts you didn't read the link.
Because if you did you would see that the Democratic party's racist ways continued through the twentieth century...

You would also know that it was the Eisenhower administration that attempted to push the civil rights reform through - but that Democrats stopped it.

LBJ ONLY pushed it under great pressure from the public, and he paid for it by absolute political emphamy even within his own party following...

Semper Libertas
"Date: Jan 4, 2009 - 5:57 PM EST Subject: re: Hal Donahue
quote: "I hope so and yes I can, The days of living off the taxes of others is over. If you equate freedom with taxes then you have no concept of either. Regulations? I hope so some one needs oversight of everything from banks to toys note I said oversight not control "

Taxation and freedom are infinitely related. The higher the level of taxation, the less freedom I have to spend the fruits of my labor as I see fit, to use my property for my own benefit."

Not true at all you are already restricted in many ways i.e. you cannot pollute a stream as it flows into a neighbors property or the air with what you own. This we learned the hard way when unregulated industry left huge messes and damages for the taxpayer to clean up while stealing the money to do so. If you really want "...the less freedom I have to spend the fruits of my labor as I see fit, to use my property for my own benefit." to use this method of accounting I suggest it is time for you to move we are no longer going to tolerate this stealing (which indeed is what it is)

"...The higher the level of government regulation, the less freedom I have to act as I see fit..."

You have total freedom as long as it does not infringe on your neighbors


sl2
"...Obviously, the government has to be funded. However, I think that the government needs to stick more to its true purpose -- protecting individual liberty..."

See you create US history again the founding fathers more than recognised the common good in the constitution etc. The agrument you use is a totally defunct one developed first by Calhoun when trying to defend the decadent slave states

"...Instead, too often it involves itself in either transferring property from one to another, or providing special benefits for one group at the expense of another..."

Well golly gee I guess that is what the people want to do if true because that is WHO decides the people

"...Every decision the government makes is a decision individuals and families can't make for themselves."

See here is THE classic folly of failing to recognise that it is THE people who make all the decisions. If you are too ineffective or unable to persuade the people to your view it may well be you not the people who are wrong

KMC
I did read the link and no one you have mentioned the link to argues
that the Democratic Party in the South was not racist - LBJ went against
the Southern Democrats and as he knew this would ruin the white Dem
Party in the South. The Southern Strategy was a Republican strategy.
And the change of the white South from being mainly Dem to be
mainly Repub stems from the Civil Rights movement. Your link seems
to agree with this up until 1965 then becomes spotty in its selection -
disregarding the main trends of politics to compare black representation in some states and missing black and white party
affiliation. Which imo is the much bigger story.

KMC
"Date: Jan 4, 2009 - 6:28 PM EST Subject: Everyonesfacts you didn't read the link.
Because if you did you would see that the Democratic party's racist ways continued through the twentieth century...

You would also know that it was the Eisenhower administration that attempted to push the civil rights reform through - but that Democrats stopped it."

and so far so true but why do you neglect to cover the Dixiecrats and how the South turned Republican?

"...LBJ ONLY pushed it under great pressure from the public, and he paid for it by absolute political emphamy even within his own party following... "

Not true at all actually it was a true profile in courage. LBJ's comment was now I have lost the South to the Democratic Party for 100 years. LBJ was well aware of what and why he was doing it. The South has been a blot on US history for well over 200 years and now it is steadly being erased.

I'll say one thing for McCullough
He understands the intellectual level of his readership, either because he is exactly on the same horizon or because he is so smart that he knows anything with substance would be ignored by conservatives.

Hawkeye58

"Sorry this was off topic, but then what was the topic?"

It was the usual topic about how liberals are evil and are the source of EVERYTHING that is wrong in the world. And conservatives are always right, about everything.

And thanks to Carlos' informative post, we have learned that anyone who doesn't turn left when they have a left turn arrow is a liberal. Apparently he's mad because he was sitting behind someone in the last few days who caused him to miss the green arrow.

also
he seems to understand that no matter how stupid or how racist or how low you go, you can't underestimate the appeal of these qualities to the TH readership.

kt in TX
"...I actually like most of the Mexicans I know here in Texas.
They are Christians, most are Conservative and work harder than the liberal punks that come into our cafe and spend mommy and daddy's money."


Can you tell me where your cafe is so I will be sure not to go in there and spend my money?


re: Hal Donahue
quote: "Not true at all you are already restricted in many ways i.e. you cannot pollute a stream as it flows into a neighbors property or the air with what you own."

You're correct -- if I infringe upon the property rights of another, then the government is certainly doing its job to intervene. However, taking my property to give to someone else or establishing special privileges for various groups is not protecting liberty or property.

quote: "This we learned the hard way when unregulated industry left huge messes and damages for the taxpayer to clean up while stealing the money to do so. If you really want "...the less freedom I have to spend the fruits of my labor as I see fit, to use my property for my own benefit." to use this method of accounting I suggest it is time for you to move we are no longer going to tolerate this stealing (which indeed is what it is)"

Where have I advocated or "tolerate[d]... stealing"? I am in favor of a government that protects liberty and property, rather than confiscating it for redistribution to some other group.

quote: "You have total freedom as long as it does not infringe on your neighbors"

Well, I *SHOULD* have total freedom so long as I don't infringe upon my neighbors, but I don't. That's why I am for a more limited government and less taxation.

The footnotes, they do nussing!
Again, these democrats who opposed the civil rights bills were DIXIECRATS, almost all of whom bolted from the Democratic party and became REPUBLICANS after the civil rights struggle of the 60's, causing a huge ideological shift in the Republican party. In fact, here's a useful link for you Kevin, with some footnotes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat

To call the southern Democrats of the era "liberal" as we define the term today is laughable... They regarded New Deal policies as creeping socialism and were constantly fearmongering about the commies and the Mexicans. Sound familiar?

re: Hal Donahue, cont.
quote: "See you create US history again the founding fathers more than recognised the common good in the constitution etc. The agrument you use is a totally defunct one developed first by Calhoun when trying to defend the decadent slave states"

Actually, I'm referring to the Declaration of Independence. Read it, and why "governments are created among men" -- it is to protect our rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Or, as Jefferson said in another quote, "It is to secure our rights that we resort to government at all."

quote: "Well golly gee I guess that is what the people want to do if true because that is WHO decides the people

See here is THE classic folly of failing to recognise that it is THE people who make all the decisions. If you are too ineffective or unable to persuade the people to your view it may well be you not the people who are wrong "

Just because a majority of people want something doesn't make it right, or just, or Constitutional. Tyranny is not made better by the stamp of approval of the majority.

re: Al in Minnesota
Ad hominem attacks are not an acceptable substitute for intellectually honest debate, regardless of whether they come from the left or the right.

I would also note that by definition you appear to be a part of the "TH readership" that you denigrate.

Hal Donahue
You've said more than once regarding Israel and the Palestinians, "a pox on both their houses". Well, the Palestinians in Gaza are getting a major pox inflicted on their house now, so why should that bother you, if your statement was a true reflection of your feelings on the matter?

It doesn't seem to bother Hamas that its civilians are getting killed: in fact, Hamas is taking measures to deliberately try to run up the body counts of Palestinian civilians. So again, if it doesn't bother the Palestinians' own leadership to see its civilians die, why should it bother you?

And regarding the disparity in civilian deaths between Israel and the Palestinians in Gaza: SO WHAT? As I've said in prior posts, one risk of going to war with another party is that you may wind up getting back a lot worse than you give out. Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan learned this in WW2 in choosing to go to war against America - and I don't recall Germans OR Japanese starting another war since.

Do you suggest that in a boxing match, if one boxer demonstrates a real inability to land a damaging punch to his opponent, therefore that opponent should be forced by the rules to return only punches in like measure? If a boxer doesn't have the ability to match the force of his opponents, then he needs to find something else to do with his time than boxing - but if he voluntarily chooses to still step into the ring, than he accepts the responsibility for whatever he receives from his opponent even if he is clearly overmatched. Just like Hamas is against Israel. Ever hear the phrase, "Pick on someone your own size"? Israel vs. Hamas is like Shaquille O'Neal vs. Mickey Rooney. I'm sure Mickey Rooney, in his prime, had the good sense to know that picking fights with his fellow man was NOT a good choice to make, given his physical size. We'll see if Hamas comes to that reckoning - although I'm not holding my breath.

Standshisground...

You make excellent (and truthful) points!

"Absolutes" diminish wiggle-room. And we all know the Liberals wiggle about like Chris Matthew's leg.

Hal Donahue types on TownHall because he has no audience on his Huff-n-Puff blog. Really, he has more comments (on his comments) at TownHall than on his own websites.

Sad.


Semper Libertas
"Date: Jan 4, 2009 - 7:08 PM EST re: Hal Donahue
quote: "Not true at all you are already restricted in many ways i.e. ...You're correct -- if I infringe upon the property rights of another, then the government is certainly doing its job to intervene. However, taking my property to give to someone else or establishing special privileges for various groups is not protecting liberty or property."

See here is the problem. You took other peoples property just growing up. Electricity, highways, schools, water, all kinds of things... and as a result you owe that bill. I guess this is my real problem you garner all the benefits yet deny the bill...

"...quote: "This we learned the hard way when unregulated industry left huge messes and damages for the taxpayer to clean up while stealing the money to do so....Where have I advocated or "tolerate[d]... stealing"? I am in favor of a government that protects liberty and property, rather than confiscating it for redistribution to some other group."

It is NOT redistribution per say it is paying the bill that is due unless you grew up in the wilderness with wolves

quote: "Y...Well, I *SHOULD* have total freedom so long as I don't infringe upon my neighbors, but I don't. That's why I am for a more limited government and less taxation..."

You absolutely do BUT if you disagree with the goals of society YOU must change them or convince others to

Semper Libertas
"Date: Jan 4, 2009 - 7:11 PM EST re: Hal Donahue, cont.
quote: "See you create US history again the founding fathers more than recognised the common good in the constitution etc. The agrument you use is a totally defunct one developed first by Calhoun when trying to defend the decadent slave states"

Actually, I'm referring to the Declaration of Independence...."

But we are governed by the constitution

"...See here is THE classic folly of failing to recognise that it is THE people who make all the decisions. If you are too ineffective or unable to persuade the people to your view it may well be you not the people who are wrong "

Just because a majority of people want something doesn't make it right, or just, or Constitutional. Tyranny is not made better by the stamp of approval of the majority. "

We agree BUT that is why we have the court system to protect the minority. A dictatorship is always better with an enlightened leader but that seldom continues. Like it or not we are in charge of our fates and seldom is that execution clean or neat

Standshisground
"Date: Jan 4, 2009 - 7:45 PM EST Hal Donahue
You've said more than once regarding Israel and the Palestinians, "a pox on both their houses". Well, the Palestinians in Gaza are getting a major pox inflicted on their house now, so why should that bother you, if your statement was a true reflection of your feelings on the matter?"

It doesn't. Israel cannot win but I am sad to see all the casualties being sacrificed needlessly

"...It doesn't seem to bother Hamas that its civilians are getting killed: in fact, Hamas is taking measures to deliberately try to run up the body counts of Palestinian civilians..."

Sure they are! every person Israel kills means at least two more fighters for Hamas

"... So again, if it doesn't bother the Palestinians' own leadership to see its civilians die, why should it bother you?.."

It is my money being used to support Israel if they could survive without our funds I could care less but hey I am a push over for the weak, defenseless and the downtrodden

"...And regarding the disparity in civilian deaths between Israel and the Palestinians in Gaza: SO WHAT? ..."

Spoken like a good little conservative Good boy


shg2
"...Do you suggest that in a boxing match, if one boxer demonstrates a real inability to land a damaging punch to his opponent, therefore that opponent should be forced by the rules to return only punches in like measure? ...

LOL matches are usually among a given weight class and the ref can always throw i9n the towel. Only senseless bullies carry on a fight in the extreme

"... Just like Hamas is against Israel. Ever hear the phrase, "Pick on someone your own size"? Israel vs. Hamas is like Shaquille O'Neal vs. Mickey Rooney. ...We'll see if Hamas comes to that reckoning - although I'm not holding my breath..."

What you miss is that Hamas cannot lose they are not even there. They will return as soon as Israel leaves...freedom fighters are like that and that is how they see themselves true or not

Carlos
"Date: Jan 4, 2009 - 7:46 PM EST Subject: Standshisground... Hal Donahue types on TownHall because he has no audience on his Huff-n-Puff blog. Really, he has more comments (on his comments) at TownHall than on his own websites."

LOL OK that works for me. I hang here not Huff but they are very happy at the hits I get. The last one actually set a record but hey Carlos if hitting me makes you feel better it is ok with me

More Townhall hatred

Once again we have a moronic Townhall columnist trying to enhance hatred of an evil group, in this case liberals, using absurd logic and dishonest history.

Why do you guys even read this stuff?

Dr Douglas
"Date: Jan 4, 2009 - 8:30 PM EST Subject: More Townhall hatred .. in this case liberals, using absurd logic and dishonest history.

Why do you guys even read this stuff? "

To point out those very points otherwise these folks will take it as "gosple"

McCullough lies
What!!!
Klan- many things -racist reactionary conservative militaristic cowards but liberal is not one of them. I think that you are intentionally baiting people to defend the Klan. I am certain the writer knows not of what he speaks.

Joe Kennedy vs Prescott Bush A sympathizer vs a traitor - let the people vote. Now there is a debate I think we ought to have! What a smelly can of fish you have opened.

Dr Douglas
McCullough knows exactly what he is doing. The intent is to draw out contrary views. Any one who knows the history of reconstruction and the Klann knows McCullogh is lying outright. But he is counting on the great unwashed underbelly of RINO and LINO to leap out of the bushes and get hits in his site - thereby making more money. Hey McCullough - got a car payment due?

No$
Its money but McCullough really just stupid. Jonah Goldberg was saying the same thing a few months ago. Say "magic negro" and they giggle like school girls.

Dr. Douglas, Hal Donahue, Carlos
Dr. Douglas:

If McCullough is so "moronic" and you wonder why people even read his writings: well, who is the bigger moron, McCullough for his worldview or you who, claiming to KNOW he's a moron, nonetheless felt that the "moronic" writing of such a man was worth your time? As I've noted with many prior submissions of liberals to this site, your post is a perfect example of projection.

Hal Donahue:

Israel most certainly CAN win and Hamas most certainly CAN lose - if Israel has the will to do what's necessary to really press home their present military effort. In WW2, the Japanese wanted us to believe that their entire nation was prepared to die in a blaze of glory - but when faced with the choice of the utter extirpation of Japan vs. preserving what could still be salvaged by ending armed conflict, they chose the latter. Hamas' leadership all took refuge at the start of this conflict; very strange for people who talk about the joys of martyrdom IF they are actually sincere about their beliefs, which of course they're not. Yassir Arafat, let's remember, who talked so much about martyrdom, died of illness in old age - NOT in a "martyrdom" operation. So Hamas' leadership is eminently threatenable. Ultimately, they'll choose self-preservation over martyrdom.

And you can also rest assured that not one of those hits on your blog has ever been, or ever will be, from me.

Carlos:

You're right about liberals not wanting absolutes because it reduces their "wiggle room". During the campaign, they called Sarah Palin an "airhead". If she qualifies as such, then ask them why Caroline Kennedy, after her recent "you know"-filled interview, doesn't equally qualify for that moniker. That's why they'll never define their terms. I've repeatedly asked liberals on this site to define for me the term they love to throw around so much, "working family" - and never gotten an answer.

Taft, Donahue, standhisground
Question: What do Illinois and Israel have in common?
my answer: the responsibility to solve their own problems

McCullough - get a job. I'm starting a new one tomorrow. see ya

KKK Apologists
The Rev. Wayne Perryman first brought to my attention that the KKK was founded as the "terrorist arm" of the Democrat Party.

He wrote "Unfounded Loyalty" because he realized he could not answer questions from his children about race. What he found in his research, a large part of it in the Congressional record, should shame any Democrat into silence. Instead, I'm reading apologist weasel words from liberals here.

If you're a liberal here trying to justify your Democrat party's actions, then it's not a big stretch for a liberal to justify Hamas.


Standshisground...

Facts, definitions... It's all too painful for the Left.

And right, "working family" can mean anything from a single mom working at Walmart for 16k, to a double Union wage earning family hitting 160k. But hey, why let facts get in the way as long as 'both' families believe the Democrats are looking out for them.

Maybe Hal could link us to the definition of "working family"? Then again, we'd have better luck at the end of a rainbow.




No$
Good luck with your job!

Cathy


Tell Wayne to go jump in a lake.

.

Taft -- Thanks
for proving my point.

the democrat party founded the modern...
...form of racism in America after the civil war and used the new, overtly hateful form of racism to become the major political party in America. Today the democrat party plays both sides of the racist fence. The democrat party today embraces policies that flow out of the original form of southern racism, the superior white antebellum racism in this example, "our darkies be happy picking cotton for their good, white massa. Massa love his darkies, his darkies loved their white massa on the plantation." Then, the democrats exploit the intergenerational damage from the hateful brand of racism democrats spread throughout urban America as the poor white European immigrants moved into Boston, Chicago, NY, Detroit, Phily and other northern democrat cities now filled with poor Blacks in the new democrat plantation where millions of publicly mis-educated poor black votes are the harvest of the fruit of Black urban democrat despair.

Black Americans fled the democrat, kkk south to escape democrat oppression, lynchings and despair. Black Americans fled to northern democrat cities to run into millions of white immigrant oppression fueled by democrat unions and political machine politics and white race riots against Black Americans. Black Americans to this day live in democrat controlled areas of America and in those areas of our country Black Americans still suffer from the effects of intergenerational racial discrimination put in place and maintained by democrats. Then, Black Americans look to the democrats to relieve their discrimination and misery created by the racism democrats started.


Joe Kennedy Sr.
Lost his oldest son Joe Kennedy Jr. in WW11 when he was blown up on an experimental flight and J.F.K. was shipped out to the Pacific and we all know why he was shipped out but none the less he served in the U.S. Navy in WW11 and saw action.

A lot of people didn’t want to get involved in another bloody European war.
I bet ½ of America would object to sending our men to fight in another bloody European war if one broke out today.

What bothers me about Joe Kennedy Sr. is he made his money bootlegging and his action probably destroyed many an Irish mans life and cause a lot of pain and suffering in the Irish community.

You’d be surprised how many political families got their start in America by being involved in organized crime.

Kevin M. says,
"Because the alternative to not doing it looms as significantly greater loss for both sides involved.

And that is what Liberals have trouble understanding."

I was standing and cheering EVERYTHING he said until that very last line. Unfortunately, to be more accurate, it should read, "And that is what Liberal" (action ALWAYS results in, GREATER LOSSES FOR BOTH SIDES.)

Liberalism is a sickness. When encountering a liberal/liberals, always take precautions so none gets on you and never, EVER! get off your plain if it stops over in San Francisco....EVER!

Something in Kevin's morning orangejuic?
Kevin's total goofiness really is a telling indictment of Townhall. TH has a wide spread of opinion but to feature such a ridiculous goofball is even more than a taint than Gov. Blago could smear on ya.

Vilifying those
who defend themselves from a totally unprovoked assault is an Orwellian tactic.

Liberals believe if they say the absurd over and over and over it will finally start to sound rational. Sadly, this is all too often the case.

Weak willed people who don't have enough mental energy to think for themselves will let others tell them what to think without ever considering how preposterous the notions are that they are swallowing.


re: 2spothipshot
quote: "Liberalism is a sickness"

Hmm, precisely how far along the left/right spectrum does one have to be before being considered "sick"?

Sorry, but intelligent people can disagree about a lot of things without being "sick".

re: Hal Donahue
quote: "See here is the problem. You took other peoples property just growing up. Electricity, highways, schools, water, all kinds of things... and as a result you owe that bill. I guess this is my real problem you garner all the benefits yet deny the bill..."

A VERY small part of the federal budget goes towards environmental clean up. As far as schools and highways go, I never said there was no legitimate government function for them -- we're talking about the government taking my property to give to someone else or conferring special benefits on particular groups.

I don't expect something for nothing, I don't expect special privileges, and I don't believe I have a claim on someone else's property.

quote: "But we are governed by the constitution"

The Declaration of Independence puts forth the principles of the very founding of our nation. You tried to say that my belief that the purpose of government is to protect liberty is some sort of invention, I was pointing out it is right there in our founding principles.

quote: "We agree BUT that is why we have the court system to protect the minority. A dictatorship is always better with an enlightened leader but that seldom continues. Like it or not we are in charge of our fates and seldom is that execution clean or neat "

There is not "better" dictatorship.

I dont think you quite grasp
Progressivism vs. Conservatism...but hey, whatever reality you want to create, go for it. The KKK is a leftist organization, riiiight. David Duke anyone? Former grand wizard of the KKK and LA Republican representative. Some of us are busy living in the real world.

The Left is vile, and is winning
The KKK was created in the deep south at a time when Democrats had overwhelming superiority there. However, if you were to take the pulse of the KKK today (the tiny rump organization that remains), it would be Right-of-Center in its beliefs.

But, this doesn't change the larger issue which is the intolerance and totalitarian tendencies of the Left. Don't forget, they've brought us:

-Political correctness: the use of social pressure and humliation to suppress speech they don't like.
-Character assassination: you don't argue the merits of your opponent's position...you destroy his character, thus rendering ALL of his positions irrelevant.
-Identity Politics: encouraging all minority groups to see themselves as victims, siezing the moral high ground and using guilt as a weapon. And if you have a victim, you MUST have an oppressor (i.e. white republicans)...and all oppressors are evil and must be destroyed.

And the worst part is, the Left controls the cable/print MSM and the Humanities departments of our universities.

re: JohnR22
Aren't you engaging in your own description of "character assassination" with your post?

British Rules
My strategy would be to use the tactics of the British colonial rule to win the next election.

First pit the Jerry Springer guest against the Sesame Street Characters. I’ll put my money on the Jerry Springer guest. “They play above the pain”.

The biggest balloons on an obese women wins every time.

The Democrats used the Jerry Springer guest sparingly after the civil war.

Then after you have the Democrats fighting against each other you’ll have to ply the Indians not taxed with brandy and guns.

The Indians not taxed will wage war with the other tribes and raid the frontier settlers in the suburbs looking for more stuff to trade to get more brandy, powder, and shot for their guns.

This will outrage the majority and insure the victory in the next election.

Democratic Track Record
Isn't it interesting that blacks were oppressed on the plantation and by Jim Crow by conservative southern democrats and continue to be oppressed in our largest cities by liberal northern Democrats. Look what years of Democratic rule have done for poor blacks in Chicago, Cleveland and Detroit.





Hal D scribbles
quote: "See here is the problem. You took other peoples property just growing up. Electricity, highways, schools, water, all kinds of things... and as a result you owe that bill. I guess this is my real problem you garner all the benefits yet deny the bill..."

Sez I: Nope. Nobody TAKES electricity. We BUY it. So did my parents. See your local utility bill, through which we also pay PUC taxes. We could go to kerosene lamps if we chose, and if BO bankrupts the coal industry chasing clean-coal (as he defines it) chimeras we may well have to.

Property? I OWN what property I have-I BOUGHT it. School? My parents paid school taxes on THEIR bought property so I could go as a child. I pay my own way thru college. I ALSO, in addition to paying property tax to support the school district, pay private school tuition so DD actually learns how to read, write, and do her sums.


We BUY water rather than 'take' it. Taxes we pay on that support the water utility. Irrigation rights and shares are also bought-they are paid for through property instruments. We could I suppose dig a well and get our own water, but I hope it doesn't come to that.

Highways-again, paid for through taxes which I must pay at the pump. Unless of course I chose to use a horse and buggy or bicycle.

Try again? The only 'takers' are those who take $$ from me at the point of a gun or the threat of prison to give to someone else who would rather have mine than produce his own.

Quiet a Stretch Kevin
While I don't agree with many concepts of liberalism (or conservatism) It would be a serious stretch to compare liberalism or the modern day democratic party to the KKK. While they do have many ideas that are destructive to blacks, and the poor, the party elected a biracial president with an African/Arab name. The articles on Townhall by the likes of Ann Coulter, and the responses they generate are more representative of the KKK, then anything the dems or liberals have done in a long time.

Look at them all squeeling!
Liberals left and right coming out and shouting "NUH UH!!!" when the FACT is pointed out that it was the DEMOCRATIC Party that founded the Ku Klux Klan.

They all scream "but, but they're all Republican now!!!!!!!". Um, nice try, you pathetic America-hating fascist pukes. Can anyone name EVEN ONE Democrat-turned-Republican after the Civil Rights Act passed (when these Democrats were alleged to have flipped)? I can. Strom Thurmand -- who publicly denounced racism and became a champion for minority rights, was the first senator to hire a black staffer, was the primary proponent of the MLK holiday, and won numerous awards from the black community.

Robert Byrd NEVER denounced racism, has only denounced the KKK insomuch as his membership hurt his political ambitions (NEVER has he said anything about the KKK's racism being a bad thing), and CONTINUES, to this very day, to use the "N-bomb" in public conversation!

Oh, but he's a member of the American Nazi Party...er, I mean Democratic Party...so racists are not only welcome, but ENCOURAGED!

Short timer versus president of the US
David Duke, the America-hating fascists scream!!! I love it!!

David Duke, former Democrat who flipped parties in order to dupe constituents into thinking he wasn't an America-hating fascist.

Let's talk about another member of the Ku Klux Klan...I don't know, how about HARRY FREAKIN' TRUMAN!?!? You pukes elected a member of the Klan to the PRESIDENCY.

We can go on and talk about unapologetic life member of the Klan Hugo Black, but then we would have to bring up the ANTI-constitutional "separation of church and state" ruling that he authored, and the God-hating, America-hating Fascist Puke Party would start crying....

Hal the Hamas terrorist?
So, just to clear things up, Hal, in your opinion, it's a-ok for Hamas to launch rockets into Israeli school yards, but not ok for Israel to stop them from launching rockets into their schools?

See, that is the fundamental difference between sane, rational people, and the EVIL that is the America-hating fascist party. Pukes like Hal think it is ok for terrorists to murder children, just so long as they are murdering children they don't like -- for example, Jewish children. But it is "wrong" for the parents of these children to attempt to defend their lives.

Here's the bottom line difference between the Israelis and Hamas (and the pukes like Hal that love them):

When the Israelis fire a rocket and it results in the death of innocent people, the Israelis call them "collateral damage".

When Hal's Hamas fires a rocket and it results in the death of innocent people, Hal's Hamas calls them "direct hit".

Harry Truman and Hugo Black
the President who desegregated the military?

Not the best example.


And whose business partner and (best?) friend
was Jewish?

Again, people can have changes of heart or
political belief. George Wallace is a good
example and so is Barry Goldwater.

Harry Truman was not a member of the KKK when
he was elected President. And his flirtation
with the KKK lacked breadth, depth, and length.

Hugo Black is a better example than all the
previous individuals listed who had a change
of heart and political beliefs.

Beowulfe are you actually using sarcasm knowing
thatn Truman and Black were champions of Civil
Rights based on their records?

Byrd's apology and Black's record
I am responding to the posts by Beowulfe who I
cannot tell if his tongue was firmly implanted
in his cheek, but here goes:



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/0 6/18/AR2005061801105.html

from the last paragraph of the article:

"Last week, Byrd said: "I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times . . . and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."

Black was a major part of the court that PBS
in its four part series on the history of the
court titled "Expanding Civil Rights"
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/supremecourt/rights/index.html

I am not sure if Black ever apologized for his
membership in the KKK, but his record on the
court was sympathetic to the cause of Civil Rights.

re: beowulfe
quote: "Robert Byrd NEVER denounced racism, has only denounced the KKK insomuch as his membership hurt his political ambitions (NEVER has he said anything about the KKK's racism being a bad thing)"

Actually, not true.

"I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/sen-robe rt-byrd.html

Meanwhile, I can find no record of Strom Thurmond ever renouncing his own past. In fact, I found the following quote:

"Contrast that with an interview Thurmond gave Joseph Stroud of the Charlotte Observer in July 1998 to commemorate the 50th anniversary of his presidential bid on the segregationist Dixiecrat ticket. Asked if he wanted to apologize, Thurmond said, "I don't have anything to apologize for," and "I don't have any regrets." Asked if he thought the Dixiecrats were right, Thurmond said, "Yes, I do." Thurmond said this four years ago!"

http://www.slate.com/id/2075662

Liberals have plenty of trouble
I had dinner over the weekend with my leftist family members.

Aside from the expected Obama lovefest they regurgitated over and over, my sister spouted off about how the Hamas and the Israelis both insist on being right and that they both "can't see the elephant in the room."

What she does NOT realize is that she is preaching the leftist theory of "moral relativism."

I was so tempted to tell her to live with the Hamas for 6 months and, if she got out of there with life and limb, to then live with the Israelis for 6 months and tell me if she noticed any difference between the two.

Kevin points out precisely how the left sees things - from a totally twisted and perverted perspective.

Blind fools, all of them.

Oh Please....
Has anyone ever heard of the Council of Conservative Citizens? No? I suggest looking them up before we accuse Liberals of being the sole agents of racism. Lots and lots of our wonderful Republican brethren have uncomfortably close ties to this despicable organization. Ever heard of Bob Barr, Trent Lott, Jesse Helms? All gave rousing endorsements to the CCC.

Just a small sampling of their mission statement is to prevent inter-racial marriages in the interest of preserving family values and racial integrity. Yuck, yuck, yuck.


kkk member elected in FL - not seated by
his own party on technicality:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-jenkins/the-gops-white-s upremacy_b_153823.html?page=14&show_comment_id=19188328#com ment_19188328

I saw this actually on tv.
The stats in the article also contradict the
claims of the article KMC was posting earlier on
how many black Republicans are seated as
representatives. Interesting article -
something to think about from the Huff Post.

Council of Conservative Citizens?
Sounds like my kind of people. Thanks for the tip.

Kevin McCullough Nailed it 100 % !
The Consequences ,megalomaniac's, psychiatric,
schizophrenics,ignoramuses and INCOHERRANCE and HYPOCRISY on the Left is the equivent to a Kid in their terrible Two's that never Grows Up sadly .


Motley Crue
As long as you believe your race is the only superior race you will be welcomed with open arms. I hope you are kidding. The CCC or Clu Clux Clan is the Right's version of the KKK.


Sorry The KKK WERE ALL 99 % DEM'S !
TOO THE MORON WHO SAID THE KKK WERE ON THE RIGHT POLITICIALLY ?
THAT IS B/S !
The KKK Covered 12 Southern Staes including Ohio and Kansas .
The RePublican Parties roots were all Yankee based .
Remember the CIVIL WAR ? duh !

weird
Is McCullough insane?

It is certainly common for arguments on Townhall to be bad, but this one is truly bizarre. The argument is supposed to show that liberals are somehow like KKK members. And yet none of the description of the KKK actually matches any of the description of liberals. Admittedly his description of liberals is pretty inane too, but you would think if he was going to give an inane description of liberals for the point of comparing them to the KKK he would have made up stuff that actually matched the KKK.

If one is not bounded by reality in ones descriptions of two things one wants to compare, one should at least make the attempt to make them match.

Opposing the bombing of people does not actually bring out much in the way of similarities with the Klan.

it's not whether they were dems
it's whether they were cons or liberals?

The KKK were a conservative (reactionary?)
organization.

Why Liberals still think like the KKK
What party did MLK vote for and his family still vote for? The Republicans of course. Why?because the KKK and Segregation was caused by the Southern Democraps. Kennedy might have been assasinated because he saw the light and was trying too eliminate Segregation. Johnson did change Congress and Segregation because as a Democrat he had too for the Dems too stay in power. Hamas forces tne civilian population too stay in place as human shields. Arafat created the first Arab Terrorist Orginization in History, Al Fatah and they bloodied their swords with the Achille Loro takeover(most of you Liberal dweebs don't even know about that)Look it up on the web.If you ignore history it will repeat itself.

Why Liberals still think like the KKK
When Grant became President a fairly new organization called the NRA(established in 1871) called for him too abolish the KKK. Lincoln and Grant were Republicans(the party established in 1854).

hilarious
wow, this has to be one of the best parody sites that i have ever seen! i can't believe what i read! this amazing, well-informed author has some of the most well thought out ideas and opinions that i have ever read! and completely unbiased as well! i'm sure glad that i found this site! hooray! remember that all the labels left, right, liberal, conservative, and etc. have the same meaning: moron! yeah!
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