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Monday, May 12, 2008
Frank Pastore :: Townhall.com Columnist
Questioning "An Evangelical Manifesto"
by Frank Pastore
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On May 7, the 19-page “An Evangelical Manifesto” was released, along with its 29-page study guide. Many good and wonderful people are among the 77 charter signatories. But, I’ve got a bunch of red flags and question marks—not about its theology, its call to piety and integrity, or its encouragement to walk more intimately and consistently in the way of Jesus. That’s all good and really nothing new. My concerns are with what is new: its political agenda.

As with any manifesto, declaration, or statement, I want to know what this means in real world terms. How will this impact the way I live? How will (or should) this change my behavior or influence the behavior of others? What does this mean in terms of specific policies—how will we prioritize and therefore spend limited resources on specific areas of concern? Should I adjust my evangelical priorities?

I’ve got a number of questions for the drafters and signatories.

1) How can evangelicals be too political when only half of them bother to register and vote? Will the “Manifesto” encourage more or less registration and political interest? If less, then who benefits from evangelicals sitting out of the political process?

2) If evangelicals should be in the middle between the political left and right, can you explain your middle ground position on such vital issues as, partial birth abortion, abortion on demand, the ordination of gay clergy, gay marriage, gay curricula in public schools, hate crimes legislation targeting Christians and the many attacks on religious liberty and free speech attempting to censor Christians? For these issues, how can there be an uncertain, moderate middle ground? You’re either for it or against it. I believe being in the middle means you’re too weak to fight.

3) What are the names of those on the left and the right you’re seeking to disassociate with? Who are these “liberal revisionists” and “fundamentalists” you’re warning us about? Many of you are pastors and therefore should protect your flocks—name names.

4) How should we prioritize our policy preferences? As evangelicals, what could possibly trump the right to life and the preservation of marriage and the family? I know of no one on the “religious right” that advocates only caring about these issues to the exclusion of hunger, poverty, disease and the environment. It’s both, not either-or. It’s a question of how to distribute precious financial resources. If the “religious right” is spending too much time and energy on life and marriage, then make clear recommendations as to how we should be better allocating our resources. If you want to “care more” by increasing foreign and domestic spending, then tell us how high you want to raise our taxes to fund your policy preferences, and let us decide if we too share your priorities.

5) The Manifesto says (p. 13) that evangelicals should be “never completely equated with any party, partisan ideology, economic system, class, tribe, or national identity.” I agree. But, shouldn’t evangelicals support those political parties and economic systems that agree with our core values and reject those that do not? Right now in America, the Republican Party is still pro-life and pro-marriage while the Democratic Party is for abortion and for gay marriage. In addition, who has done more in the fight against AIDS than the current Republican administration?

And, regarding economic systems, do you see moral equivalence between capitalism, socialism and communism? If so, how? If the United States is not the best expression of the Christian worldview of any government in the world, what country better exemplifies and is more deserving of every evangelical’s support right now than the United States? Isn’t the best thing for the third world to embrace Christianity, representative government, free markets and pluralism? If not, what should we be doing? Continued...

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Dear Liberal hater of evangelicals
You know no such words are in out Bible.
You should know that true Christianity is voluntary, it is not possible to impose Christianity on any person.
Real Christians know that the galling crux of Christianity is its call for moral accountability. Accountability to God, the ultimate and fully informed Judge. And through love, we are accountable to those whose lives we have damaged by the consequences of our self-service

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Evangelical "Manifesto"
Bravo, Frank Pastore!! Right on target! I am really questioning the evangelical "left". Can there be such a thing? Or are socialist's disguising their political agenda with religion? I have had a running discussion with a leftist christian song writer discussing the differences between socialism and capitalism. I won't question anyone's faith but i think there is a certain contingent in this country that is trying to confuse christians and suck them away from a certain political party. Your article is great!

Robert E. Lee
Count me in as one of those who care more about
those who are in need of soup kitchens than in
the unborn.

One of the things that irritate me beyond
belief is that the right-wing evangelicals
don't pay nearly as much attention to those
who are living and in need as they do to those
who may (or may not) become a person some day.
Once born, they seem to be the forgotten ones
if they don't quite measure up to what you
expect of them. You will be the first to condemn if they go astray. And it is amazing
how many do go astray when they are born to
parents who simply do not want or don't know
how to give love to a child.

As it is now, the the Evangelical rights are
helping the Democrats win because of the
unbending stands they take.




For 40+ years now, you have been voting on a
single issue, which hasn't changed anything
in or society. You act as if this is the only
issue worth considering. Oh yes, and now
gay marriage.


EXCELLENT PASTORE!!!
Let us be clear here. The Dobson's Evangelicals want Obama to beat McCain.

No, no. Their main concern is not life and liberty, but power and hypocrisy. The reason is, I have read and listened to Dr. Dobson for a long time and thought he was really a pro-life. A few months ago, I agreed with his position on Guiliani--that he would never vote for him. I understood it at that time because if you put in the family value framework, it would be against their core value to vote for someone who is a pro-abortion.

But now, given the crystal clear difference between the strong pro-abortion-on-demand Obama with the strong pro-life McCain, the Dobson's cabal want the Obama to win the election and thus stuck the Supreme Court with pro-abortion judges.

Well, talk about humility and honesty. It's actually arrogance and deception.

Im glad
I don’t ever have to sit in church and listen to anyone tell me who I should vote for and I’m glad there are no fundraisers for politicians held at my church. I agree that the citizenry needs to informed on the issues and that we ought to do what we can to promote candidates who uphold ideals similar to the ones we hold, but church should not be used to push political agendas or for fundraising. Church is for the healing of sick and the edification of the spirit. It’s for praising God and communing with Him. Politics at church is the wrong answer.



"Isn’t the best thing for the third world to embrace Christianity, representative government, free markets and pluralism? If not, what should we be doing?"

You cant force anyone to accept Christ through use of the govt. The best thing anyone can do is live their religion. Never ever, did the Savior Jesus Christ use His power to force Himself or His ideals using the govt. Rather, he taught by example and encouraged His followers to follow in His footsteps. What you should be doing is living your religion and not force people at home or abroad to accept Christ through use of the legislature. You should reach out to those of all faiths rather than trying to impose your religion on others using the govt as a vehicle.


But speaking of politics and religion...how about Frank Pastore politicizing Mitt Romney's religion at his own church and here on TH.

evangelicals
hey hey hey good to see you fighting. please be advised that we welcome all quarrels between any and all evev lukewarm evangelicals.. they have fought each other and spent countless hours killing each other throughout history and while i dont advocate a return to those good old days. a littlel hair pulling, and a minor chokd hold woul be all right if admiinistered with regularity. m go to it boys. use the 6 ounce glove insted of the 10 ounce. best possible ending. you ko each other. then God can rest for awhile.

Whatever thy hanr findeth to do
do it with all thy might. Or as the old Bible School hymn says, *Bloom where you are planted.*

Instead of hanging around in front of the American consulate chanting HEY HEY! HO HO! and then going home believing you have *done something* -- why not pay attention to your family members who may need your actual assistance with some difficulty? Would the world not be a better place if instead of marching in the street demanding that the government force other people to feed the hungry, YOU were down in the Salvation Army or the Ronald McDonald House feeding the hungry? How about instead of shouting HEY HEY! HO HO! in the street, you sit in the yard and read Kipling to your neighbours kids so your neighbour can have an hour to herself for a shower and a nap? And instead of congratulating yourself on how much better you are than the people who quietly help the world along, why not read the parable of the Pharisee and the Publican and figure out which one went back to his home justified?

A grumble
As a Christian, I know that Paul tells us to do all without grumbling or complaining, but I do have a complaint.

Like Pastore, I am supporting the Republicans. The [Social] Democrats want to put too much power into too few hands with their expansive welfare state and are, as well, the party of self-destruction (not least via abortion and a pansexualist agenda). However, I gnash my teeth that a Republican Party still dominated by the country club set can take us for granted.

Who is the leader in this fight
for Right?

Christ.

Christian need to get behind their leader and follow. He has 'overcome the world.'
The World can not win. Get that.

The world may not know it but the tragedy is when His believers don't believe it or they love the world more than Him.

Manifesto
I believe most religious organizations are tax-exempt (501(c)3) organizations and therefore, should not be involved in promoting or fundraising for any political party or candidate. That alone, should make the need for a manifesto redundant. If the preaching and teaching is done well enough (based on biblical teaching) in the pulpit, it will equip the parishioners to fight the political battles on their own, including the joining of properly (legally formed, there is more than one non-profit 501 classification) groups such as Right to Life, if they so desire. There is a difference in preaching that abortion is wrong and why and telling parishioners who to vote for because of their position on abortion. The decline in membership of mainline religion mirrors the decline in strong party affiliation and identification, so I take it that many people are confused about what they really feel and where they stand. I attended a conference where the speaker said people change churches today. In the past, if you were raised in a certain faith, you stayed in it. It is not true today. I know myself, the LCMS is going through a crisis in leadership today, and may very well be split, with seeker-sensitive types on one side, and confessional types on the other. Liberal and conservatives infighting in the same body.

Christian Manifesto…

The only manifesto that matters is the one Christ gave to his disciples and through them to all Christians…

“All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. [Matthew 28:18-20]


The first statement of this manifesto defines the authority in the universe. Christians are at the work of making disciples to the end of the age because Christ has all authority to make the work effectual. We are not waiting for His reign in the age to come. His kingdom and authority was established at His resurrection. His kingdom is realized now in the spiritual realm where ever His people are ruled by His Word and Spirit.

Christ must reign until He has put all enemies under His feet. The last enemy is death. [1 Corinthians 15:25-26]

Now if we had this view of Christ that the Reformers had and the colonial Americans had there would be no political parties advocating lawlessness and fiscal irresponsibility.

Hmmmmm....
My first reaction to the evangelical manifesto is that it is the first step toward a christian theocracy.

As the young would say, been there, done that, saw the movie.

My second reaction to the manifesto is that it is a good thing.

It'll keep the evangelicals occupied while the adults continue running the country and the world. The adults haven't done a very good job recently (if ever), but the times when we gave in to evangelical fervor were manifestly worse for all concerned -- Inquisition, Crusades, Blue Laws, witch trials, etc.

I don't want any group pushing its way into the public arena and telling me how I have to live. They can do whatever they want to do in their private lives, but leave me and my private life alone.

Barry

Biblical Christianity
cares nothing about establishing a theocracy.

Biblical Christianity care only than men would be restored to God through Christ.

Get it right Barry.

Let's be clear

(1) Evangelicals are the ones who are at the soup kitchens -- even on Thanksgiving day. They are the ones at the hospices and hospitals. They are the ones on the mission fields bringing the truth and transformation for lives.

(2) Evangelicals are the ones who preach the gospel -- not politics -- from the pulpit (notice Wright!!! While his extremism might not be widespread, the politics from the pulpit is characteristic of the left not the right.

Evangelical Manifesto
This a a brilliant piece. I will copy it, distribute it to friends and master the arguments. Too much is at stake for us Evangelicals to become lost in foggy thinking.

We've Seen This All Before
About 120 years ago, a number of well educated Mainline Protestants began form ideas and theories that eventually evloved into positive social policy. Progressive Politics was born both in the pulpit and in the Ivy Tower. The idea of melding the Gospel to socila policy was nothing new, but the Progressive Movement was entirely an America thing, and had a purely American twist to it -Rural Popularism, class warefare, aa whole host of policies to Perfect Man or Build Heavan on Earth came about. This was before WWI, and the notion that Christ will come again to enact a socially responsible and just Heavan on Earth was still popular -especially in Protestant Europe.

This was a time of Muscular Christianity. It was an era of Bismark and Teddy Roosevelt. God Helps Those Who Help Themselves (a very American sentiment). Progressivism differed with the earlier generations who expirenced The Great Awakening Revivals of the 1830s-1840s. In those decades, Baptist piety, individual salvation, holy living, differal of gratification were central. Progressivism was something totally different. It was more outward, invovled the goverment to perfect man-kind via social and tax policy. It was often called the Third Way (niether conservative nor liberal). For it to work, citizens had to be willing to sacrifcie for the good of the whole. People had to be willing to give up personal rights in order to allow a benevolent goverment to perfect them.

Of course, Progressivism morphed into Fascism (Mussolini studied our Progressive policies closely). Wilson, Dewey, Taft, Teddy Roosevelt et als were the great practioners. The Constitution for the first time was questioned from a theoretical point of view. Ideas such as progressive taxation, social hygiene, collectivist schools (on the German model), prohibition, Conservation, etc... came out of this school.


Questioning, an evangelical manifesto
We Orthodox Christians are not confused or wonder what is more important, soup kitchens or unborn babies. Only those with weak faith need manifestos. We still use the Bible and are guided by the words of God.

Watching the cannibals
as they fade into obscurity, not with a bang but with a whimper.

Good riddance.

audr10
what a silly letter of course not to all of your "suggestions"

a grumbklw
have you and others ever stopped to think how much difficulty, terror and horror have been caused by acting on sentences that start out "i know that the Bible says-------but" consider. i know what the Constitution says bur______. I know ewhat my parents told me when i was younger but_____+_I know what i was taught in church but_______>much of the not so pleasant parts of western civilization can be traced to those words and whatever followed.

jim p
please see my $23 same goes for your first few words. they make any kind of behavior too easy in this world..

kathy
putting foggy thinking and evangelicals in the same sentence is like talking about stupid teen agers. one of then words isnt necessary.

Frank Pastore Is Right
So many of the people who say "separation of church and state" and "no theocracy" refer to things like abortion and such. Yet they think the government is a-okay getting involved in charity work, because "that is what Christ commanded." Either there is a separation, or there isn't.

As for the unborn vs. soup kitchens:
Based on the Constitution, is is out government's JOB to protect the God-given rights of individuals (like the unborn's right to life) from being infringed upon by others. It is NOT the government's role to forcibly take money from one person as "charity" to another.

IT IS THE CHURCH'S JOB TO RUN SOUP KITCHENS. We do not need tax money to do it.
http://walrus.blogtownhall.com/2008/05/12/some_evangelicals _apologize_for_the_media%e2%80%99s_depiction_of_them.thtml

Ken
There is the 1st Amendment, which explicitly prohibits Congress from interfering with religious institutions and religious in general. However, it is perfectly okay for churches and christians to excercise thier rights to petition thier goverment and assemble.

The Seperation of Church and State was first spoke about through Jefferson, but was never considered outside of debates and bull sessions. The Constitution's first enumerated right was to protect religion from the goverment -and not the other way around.

The Evangelica Movement is approaching a crossroads, yet again. The younger pastors who back this manifesto are only beginning thier lurch Leftward. Personally, I have no beef in this fight as I am not Protestant. But I think Evangelicals should tread carefully.

Defining the battlefield
A Christian must be in touch with the times and current issues. He must take a stand where the battle rages.

In the current US culture the battle seems to be focused on tearing down the moral fibre of our society by squelching the Christian voice in public debate. This is especially prevalent when discussing abortion, extra-marital sex in all its forms and expressions of faith in the public forum (especially in education).


"If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the truth of God except precisely that little point which the world and the devil are at that moment attacking, I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Christ.

Where the battle rages, there the loyalty of the soldier is proved, and to be steady on all the battlefield besides is mere flight and disgrace if he flinches at that point."

-MARTIN LUTHER



mrbmrb
Your words are a blurb like your name. If you have something to say then say it.

jim p
hey read it or not there is an amendment to the constitution that mentions you by namespecifically, telling you that you have that right.is this what you mean when you say "then say it????

In other words....
The claim “we are not political” is itself political, giving the impression a believer is on higher moral ground to be apolitical and “above it all.”
I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. It is akin to those who refuse to make any decision. Instead of chosing to do one thing or another they simply do nothing at all, this is still making a decision and one they will have to answer for one day.
Any evangelical who wants to hasten the Day of the Lord by giving America what it deserves is no better than cutting one's nose off to spite oneself.

reply to Fabius Cunctator
As a liberal, I'm delighted to see that evangelical Protestants are going back to their old view that they and they alone are the real Christians. This is a very deep stratum in evangelical Protestantism; they started out doubting that Catholics are Christians, and they're reverting to type. For a few years evangelicals and Catholics were closely allied, mostly on abortion and on gay rights, but I've never thought that alliance was very strong. Today's evangelicals may prove me right.

manifesto, same old, same old.
Any manifesto is contrary to the Word, (except for the two tablets). Regardless that its been done many times before, (Catholic Creeds, etc), they all supplant the Word, mis-apply scripture, proliferate errors, and are always wrong, theologically. This edict of beliefs may unite many, may empower many, or do just the opposite. My guess is the latter, if the previous 32 comments say anything. Whichever, you won't ever find, in Scripture, that the "masses" were on the winning or correct side. That's why there's only a 'few on the strait and narrow, vs the many on the wide' path. Christ's focus, His goals, were never to 'change governments', but to redeem lives that wanted to be redeemed, and allow those individuals to be governed by, to obey, His laws. One day, his government will be pre-eminent, here on earth. All others will bow before Him. "Thy will be done on earth...."
fini.

For the other point of view...
...read Why Government Can't Save You: An Alternative To Political Activism by John F. MacArthur.


Some of us are BOTH Fundamentalist Christians living very socially conservative lives AND Libertarians voting for small government candidates.

For too long the media and pundits from both ends of the ideological spectrum have gotten away with lumping self described Christians into oversimplified, over generalized, convenient categories. People unfamiliar with the huge spectrum of people of faith eat it up.

Virrudh- Your focus is too narrow
While YOU may find it hard to believe, there are those among us who profess to be Christians who care about the needy at the soup kitchen AND the unborn child. It is not necessary to focus on one to the exclusion of the other.
I have difficulty understanding how someone can claim to be a Christian and support abortion, including partial birth abortion. Christ himself told us that children are to be allowed to come to him. Is that it? You want to get them to him as quick as possible? 50 million of 'em?

the only christians
listen pleasd im getting confused. ive just spent a month or so trying to assimilate the papal announcement that all protestant religions are not trur religions and do, not have the means of salvation.
now i read in one of the blurbs above that evangelical christians are just getting around to discussing the posibiluity that catholics may really be christians. just wher in heck are we in this. let me know. im kin of old and want to make the right decision. or at least not make the worng one.

Read the Manifesto
I too have questions about it because some rather general and ill-defined terms are used that could easily be misconstrued, but generally, I didn't find myself really disagreeing with the theology presented. I thought the writers did a good job of presenting the Evangelical perspective. However, how that works out in the world in which we live -- well, that's where I have questions.

I have included a quote from the document and would suggest that those who would pass judgment one way or another should READ the document before stating your opinion.

"We are firmly opposed to the imposition of theocracy on our pluralistic society. We are also concerned about the illiberalism of politically correct attacks on evangelism. We have no desire to coerce anyone or to impose on anyone beliefs and behavior that we have not persuaded them to adopt freely, and that we do no not demonstrate in our own lives, above all by love.
We repudiate on the other side the partisans of a naked public square, those who would make all religious expression inviolably private and keep the public square inviolably secular.

In contrast to these extremes, our commitment is to a civil public square — a vision of public life in which citizens of all faiths are free to enter and engage the public square on the basis of their faith, but within a framework of what is agreed to be just and free for other faiths too. Thus every right we assert for ourselves is at once a right we defend for others. A right for a Christian is a right for a Jew, and a right for a secularist, and a right for a Mormon, and right for a Muslim, and a right for a Scientologist, and right for all the believers in all the faiths across this wide land."

Some people with mistaken ideas
I read this in the Manifesto -- or at least infered it from the statements made and now I read it in some of the posts here. There is a mistaken notion that if you care about issues like abortion or extra-marital sex in all its permutations that you don't care about feeding the poor and the environment. That's NONSENSE! My church has been involved in literacy, jail and food bank ministry for 50 years; many of our members spend a great deal of their volunteer time working for free in support of these ministries. Yet we also think that killing children, born or unborn, should be illegal. I live in Alaska where most of our church members in one way or another make their living off oil or mineral extraction. We are pro-development because without it, we starve. We also live in a beautiful country that we have chosen to inhabit for enjoyment of the outdoors. We can't enjoy it if development wrecks the enviroment we live in. Thus, we are not environmentalists, who would allow no development, but conservationists, who want industry to be responsible in their extraction of resources. As Christians, we see that as being good stewards of God's creation -- neither locking the creation away in a glass box that nobody is allowed to touch nor destoying the creation. There is a happy medium. I see no conflict with believing homosexuality is a sin and also being friends with a lesbian -- who knows I pray for her soul and disagree with her lifestyle choice, but also that I do so because I care about her.

Evangelicals are complicated people, somewhat like the God we serve.

Charter Signatories
I recognized a few conservative theologians and pastors among the list of signatories:

JP Moreland, Alvin Plantinga, Irwin Lutzer. All are very conservative theologians and Christian writers.

Max Lucado would be considered more moderate as would Kay Arthur (one of the few women signing this document, which causes me to say "hmmm?". I was quite surprised to see Jim Wallis as a charter signatory as he is a Progressive "Christian", but he might have agreed to do it for moderation sake.

Significantly, I saw Daniel B. Wallace's signature following the charter signatures. In other words, he signed on after not being part of the process. I noted several of his colleagues both from bible.org and Dallas Theological Seminary (generally considered a bastion of conservative Christianity) to have signed the Manifesto AFTER it came out.

I will have to look up some of the other names among the charter sigs to see what their ideology and theology are like before passing judgment, but the presence of theologians I know and trust was encouraging to me.

I will have questions, particularly around practical application, but the intent of a document has a lot to do with the writers and this document has some (not all are known to me) good writers who have proven themselves to be Biblically based over the decades.

sheesh - christians
Especially EVANGELICAL christians make me ummm depressed.

If they spent more time readin the bible from the end of their own fingers instead of being spoon fed by power hungry charlatans who make political manifestos they will discover....

1. Followers of Christ are CITIZENS of heaven.

2. Follwoers of Christ are AMBASSADORS for Christ. What is the role of an ambassador?

mrbmrb
In regard to your query about the right decision.

If your search is honest consider this quote from Christ


John 3:16 ¶ For this is the way, God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

It's that simply. Believe and that person has eternal life.

God's promise to whosoever.

Sounds like Wesley
To me it sounds like the traditional view of Methodism put forth by Wesley. I'm a little troubled by a couple of things. One is that "fundamentalist" seems to me a strawman that isn't defined. AFAICT, Christian fundamentalism is characterized by a certain biblical exegesis, but beyond that I don't know what it means. Second, I'm not sure what is intended by "political". It seems to be thrown out as a epithat, but it isn't clear to me what it means to be "political" as a Christian, or any thing else for that matter. As the modern state tries to prove its relevance by reaching ever more deeply into our lives, it seems inevitable that the Christian will have to directly involve himself in its operation. the manifesto also totally ignores the idea of American exceptionalism, though by inference it seems to deny the possibility. In some ways I think Pope Benedict is able to speak more clearly on the relationship of Christian peoples and the state.

Get a Grip on the Total Biblical picture
We have a Christian manifesto. Read your Bible, again and again - all of it and get your mind around the truly 'bnig picture'- what it says about God in the references a=of the relationship of the Holy Trinity, the 'decision' based on grace to create man it His own image, and the responsibilities it carried. Consider the fall into sin and the grace of God in the work of redemption and the restoration of man in Christ. We are to be "Channels of Blessing" (the title of my book which presents the whole picture as far as Scripture takes us) to the world, upholding the biblical world-view - all to the glory of God.
That at least is a start and place all ythings in their right context.
BruceAust

Take Care before Signing
Heard you in Riverside, CA a few years back. This is an encouraging article. No, I won't sign the manifesto. I sent the following in to the Manifesto's website:
“Gib uns ein Gotteswort!” Let us hear the word of God.
The Evangelical Manifesto is a noble attempt to show how Evangelicals may stand as their own people, and also, influence the world as they should. A second or third revision may do it, as missing pieces are added to the puzzle.
The 5/7/08 version won’t do the job, as it tries too hard to appease the sophisticated unbeliever (many of whom identify themselves as “Evangelical”), and fails to draw the firm lines so sorely needed in church circles. The Christian’s call is less to live with deepest differences (pg 3) and more to serve his fellow Christian, as one of many branches on a vine. Setting a clear example of the Gospel is the call; getting along with outsiders is not guaranteed.
...
So, we have some pieces of the puzzle:
The Faith stands on its own, and is not a mere outworking of a political party or contemporary issue.
The Evangelical should apply his faith in public life, as he acts, speaks and votes.
Some pieces to add:
The Evangelical has given his soul to Jesus Christ, and so owes no unthinking service to any expert on any subject, who would deny the Faith.
However diplomatically, the Evangelical must stand firm on matters of Truth. Sometimes that means to the point of death.
The Evangelical’s service is to the Household of Faith, and then, to those outside it. Many have already seen that, done this way, the abundance of giving to the outside is uncountable. Where we see it, we should follow the example.
Let us spare our young people the cruelty of unclear guidance.



Quoth Pastore:
"Politics is theology applied." As in 'Render therefore to Caesar....'?

Thanks, Fabius Cuncatator. (For a minute, I thought you were serious about 'feeling like a second class Christian.')

MSM Fawns Over Ersatz "Evangelicals."
I strongly agree with Frank Pastore's fine article, Questioning "An Evangelical Manifesto." Since both liberals and the Left abandon the possibility of "truth" long ago, for them it all comes down to POWER--spanning the spectrum of subtle manipulation or the bone-crushing heel of their boot. They are simultaneously libertine and authoritarian--set in a quintessential framework of humanistic arrogance--rejecting the veracity of the Bible, THEY demand to be the "measure of all things."

I KNOW BOTH PASTORE AND MOUW
I took an ethics class with Frank Pastore many years ago. We didn't cover any 'ethics' in class; all we did was talk politics! I'm currently taking a class with Richard Mouw and can well understand the Kuyperian Calvinism that underlies his involvement with the Evangelical Manifesto. I think some opinions here are mistaken -- both men affirm positive Christian participation in politics, and the evangelical manifesto is not a stance against Christians participating in the political process. The difference is more nuanced, Pastore believes Christians should side with the party that is closer to its core moral values (e.g. abortion, stem cell) which at the moment happens to be the republican party. Mouw believes that a Christian identification with one political party is not truly representative of the broad spectrum of the Evangelical base.

The Old constitution

i didn’t read each and every word printed here, but as far as I looked, no one ever mentioned the real situation here. Remember that little old document, the Constitution?

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

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My copy of the Constitution says “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, …” and on and on. The American Heritage Dictionary says — “Establishment: Something established, as an established church.” “Establishing: To set up; to bring about; to introduce.” a word not used in the Constitution.

Think about it, the Crystal Cathedral is “an establishment of religion,” the First Baptist Church is “an establishment of religion,” a Synagogue is “an establishment of religion,” and the Catholic Cathedral is “an establishment of religion.” Someone starting a new religion is “establishing a religion,” a word with a different meaning, a word not mentioned in the Constitution.

The Constitution says Congress shall make no laws respecting an established place of worship, it says nothing about the Government establishing a religion of its own. Maybe the authors of the Constitution wrote other documents on the subject, but the Constitution is clear.

It would seem to me that if the government makes a law that determines what can be said in an establishment of religion, it has violated the portion that says, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”

Frank Pastore
I first learned the Frank Pastore story from a book by Tim Lahaye "The Power of the Cross." It is a wonderful story. I am a Christian and I was converted by C.S. Lewis also. I always admired Tom Hume because I too was a pitcher
who wore glasses and was something of a nerd. But I was pretty good and have always loved baseball. I am also a Republican conservative. Please keep up the good work.
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