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To Bridget re 11:48

I have been thinking about your post since yesterday; I find it fascinating. Not clear which grandmother you are talking about. I read on TH that the Kenyan grandmother was the one who said Obama was born in Kenya, but that particular granny is alive and well aka not- dead. The American one who died last fall in her apartment in Honolulu wasn't "found dead' but died of cancer with her family at her side. So how come you "raised your eyebrows"? Have you perhaps confused the two grandmothers? Or are you suggesting that Obama had his American grandmother murdered? Can you perhaps supply a citation or link to your information? Or is this just another case of somebody posting any venomous nonsense they can think of?

PA Carol (09:38)

Actually, WND published a photo of Stanley Ann Dunham (and there is at least one other on wickedpedia, if you look up her bio).

Obama's Mother

Everyone likes to talk about our current President's father. Has anyone EVER seen a picture of his mother? Who and WHERE is this woman? Without her, he has no right to his seat of office. I've never seen a photo or heard of an interview with her? Anyone know anything?

Conservative War on Facts Part 2,364

Come on, which is he, a socialist, a communist, a liberal or a fascist?

Socialists believe in collective ownership of the means of production: owning a few bankrupt banks and car companies in order to secure American jobs and stabilise free-markets is not it.

Communists believe in a proletarian revolution followed by a withering away of the state: hardly remiscent of so-called 'big government' Obama. Whats the point of expanding the state if you want it to wither away?

Liberals believe in freedom and democracy: but that doesn't just tax-cuts and owning guns. It means accepting that other people have to be free too. Even if that means freedom of lifestyle or to hold views you disagree with. Yes, this one sounds a little bit like Obama, admittedly.

Fascists belive in an extreme conservatism where all values of a free society (such as the ability to question leaders) are outlawed, and replaced with unquestioning obedience to the flag and country no matter what the nation's leaders do in its name - even justifying killing. It seems odd to accuse any American President of this. Especially so for Obama given the danger of comparison with his immediate predecessor in this regard.

Oh, and by the way, Kenyatta was an anti-Communist who opposed Soviet expansion in Africa. But, like most members of the Non-Alligned Movement in the 1960s and 1970s, the Soviets suspected him of being an American stooge, and the Americans suspected him of taking his orders from Moscow. If conservatives could put 10% of their anger into fact-checking then you might start winning some arguments, and maybe even an election or two.

To cactus head

Just for the record, I have never stated on townhall or anywhere else that I "hate America". If I did, I would go and live in another country. I have never smoked pot; I do not smoke tobacco either; and I do not practice free love, having been married to the same man for 56 years.

What makes you so nasty? Your posts are as vile as anything on townhall, where they have plenty of competition. Do you have some sort of idea that posting a lie on the Internet makes it true? Do you think that saying such things somehow advances the argument for conservative government? It doesn't: it just makes people think you sound a little nutty.

The last I heard, we were a two-party nation. Thomas Jefferson said, "Almighty God hath created the mind free". That means that some people may disagree with you. You seem to have trouble tolerating that idea.

pistol

in the past couple of weeks, mario the commie from miami has also told how he is buying guns and stocking up on ammo.

It seems he is ready and willing to join flap ears and his brown shirts and when the order from the fraud posing as president comes down, mario has told all he will go hunting conservs/repubs.

I have asked him to request a duty station in az. We have lots of folks here ready and willing to defend this country and the constitution

The Obama Brigade

Dear Leaders' Army here at Townhall are very quick to tell us conservatives how wrong we are and how we are never going to have any say-so again.

They can tell us how we are wrong,but can't tell us how they are right. They don't talk about any of their messiahs'unconstitutional and how detrimental they are to a good economy and our freedams.

Dear Leaders' approval has dipped lately and will continue to do so as the sleeping fawners awake.Unemployment at 10% will do that to him.

tammy the red pooh-pon

As regarding your search for he-men, TampOn--surely you don't think you will find them in the commieqr ranks? Adam the American Metrosexual Bicurious Idol is many things but he-man ain't one of em, likewise with Sasha Baron Cohen aka "Bruno"--or John Edwards for that matter. Can't see Beloved Dear Leader Village Organizer Chairman HO aka Smokin BO KOOLS in that role either, or JoBi or Barney Phagnk. I admit Pelosi and Barbi Boxer are in the "he-man wannabe" category.

Shoot, W, short and sometimes mistaken as he was, had more brains and balls then the entire Dumbolcrap Party.

Of course Coulter is more of a he-man than any of them and most of everybody else with the possible exceptions of Batman, Superman, Capt. America and maybe Jack Bower.

The reason you won't find any he-men among the commieqrs, Tampy, is that in order to BE a commieqr you have to LIE to yourself about Truth, Reality, Fact, FIRST. True Masculinity begins in the Courage to see, face, and TELL the Truth, regardless of cost to yourself, and TO THE DESPITE of the Gruppenthink that demands you conform

Commieqrdom, at bottom mere Collectivism, is the ESSENCE of conformity to the HiveMind.

mick

Tammy

Are you really so stupid that it is impossible for you to understand you are on a Conservative site established by the Heritage Foundation?

Are you really so naive as to think a pathetic brainwashed Socialist like you would agree with anything you find here?

Are you gullible enough to believe anyone here cares about your bellicose arrogance?

You have proclaimed yourself a childish fool often enough that we all know it so just run along back to CodePink and play with your own kind.
TH is not a Day Care Center.

Mr. Austin

What can I say. I am shaking in my boots. Oh
wait, I'm not the Republican here. You are
shaking in your boots.

Shhhhh!

Maybe he wants us to have a lousy economy. He'd not be the only one. Remember the nations and strong arm men out there liked the fact that he won - why?

Lilly--spelling of plumber

Since you want to pick apart his spelling of "plumber" as yet another stab at Mr. Hill (in addition to your questionably-relevant stabs at his message), let me point out the 2nd sentence in YOUR rant (of 1:03am). What part of speech is the word "like"?

Obama is a usuper II

In 1874, in the Minor v. Happersett case, the Supreme Court affirmed the definition of natural born citizen which had appeared in the 1797 English translation of Vattel’s Law of Nations:

…it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. (Minor v. Happersett, 1874)

In Minor v. Happersett, the Supreme Court expressed “doubts” regarding the citizenship of U.S.-born children whose parents were not U.S. citizens. In Wong Kim Ark, 1898, the Supreme Court examined these “doubts”, but did not render any decision or ruling pertaining to natural born citizenship. The Court ruled that Mr. Ark was a citizen; it did not rule that he was a natural born citizen. To date, the Supreme Court has never answered the question as to whether natural born citizenship extends to children of non-citizen parents.

Cont.

ralph the retard, aka mario the faygotte

so tell us, socialist lover and blind follower of the fraud posing as president, why would those of us on and in the right march in goose step behind the wannabe dictator who shows npothing but distain for the country we love.

Unlike your muzzie messiah who is intent on destroying america to please his masters, there are millions in this country who will work to preserve this country.

Bit the biggest and most surprised losers in this country will be the dim party when they find the voters who flap ears and losers like you dismiss will turn out in huge numbers to reclaim this country.

But the word from dc is that flap ears is about to name his next illegal czar. Seems that you are destined to be named the czar of total ignorance and insignificance.

Whereas we already see your willingness to drop to your knees to worship flap ears, you have failed to make the case why he deserves any respect.

Persons are judged by the company they keep and flap ears has a long history of associating with haters and terrorists. But it shows why we consider the dims/leftists/socialists little more than sheeple who will fall for any fraud who promises he will change america into the country he and his horse faced wife believe it should be

To date flap ears has done nothing except appoint more losers and leftists to cabinet positions, appointed 20 some czars whom his gives great powers but have never been subjected to examination and approval by the senate, spend billions on wasteful pork, added an additional few trillion to the deficit and printed more billions making the dollar worth less as a financial instrument.

So tell us confused boy, why can't you defend your love god and the fool working to destroy america

Simplistic Mind of Barack Obama

Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem

Roughly translated, All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best.

Raising the deficit, regardless of whom and regardless of why - simply drives down the value of the dollar.

The governments deficit spending, whether Democrat, Republican or a joining of the two, is counterproductive, because the gains of the Keynesian approach is usually erased by the ensuing inflation.

Analogous to that thinking is charging more on your credit card, in an attempt to reduce the previously accumulated debt.

Barack Obama like most Liberals, never analyze consequences nor periodically measure results.

Barack Obama approaches every problem with the 'Not So Hidden' agenda of Marxist/Socialism and the naivety of a child who believes the world orbits them.

Obama=Kenyan

I do remember hearing that Obama's grandmother said he was Kenyan, and later she was found dead...I raised my eyebrow when I heard about it on the radio

LD35: You're right, Ralph SHOULD QUIT

while he's only this far behind, but he won't because he's too stupid.

Libs aren't exactly known for their intellect.

healthcare

I think if the tables were turned, you would see a different government and a different president and congress...I say the country give us all a certain amount of money on a debit card for the rest of our lives to use for health care, food, housing, autos, insurance,education etc...lets say congress and the president pay for it all!...no one gets any more than the other,no one dresses differently,no one has a house more elaborate than anyone else, no one has rotten food,everyone drives the same little car regardless of how big your family may be,you can pick a college to go to and the government chooses where your personality fits into a job and you go to work everyday from sunup to sundown...as long as you do your job, the congress and president have to pay your debts...wouldn't it be a different story eh?

Inane, insipid fool

Ralph..same song, same boring verse.
You deny the King of Kings while you worship the Kenyan usurper. He may be your presidente
but he's not mine until and unless he proves without a shadow of a doubt he is eligible.

And guess what, he's admitted that in order to be eligible one must be a Natural Born Citizen.
How you ask? He is a cosigner of the Senate Resolution confirming that John McCain is a NBC.

Natural Born Citizen is defined as being the offspring of TWO AMERICAN PARENTS WHO ARE
AMERICAN CITIZENS. Barry Soetoro admits on his website that he'd let his Kenyan citizenship lapse in 1982 when he turned 21. He became a Kenyan citizen through his fathers British citizenship gained via the British Naturalization Act of 1948 which then transferred to Kenya when it gained independence in 1963. (He was born Aug 4, 1961 thus like his father, also a British subject which tells me one reason why he's so rude and nasty to this ally, Britain).

Re: The Oppressor Again

Of course you didn't answer the question.

Where would Jesus be sitting - on the Board of Directors of IBM or down at the Community Center organizing the poor?

I know its been 2000 years but have you guys really forgotten who Jesus was?

You guys are so engrossed in greed and individualism and TV Evangelism that you have lost the message of true Christianity.

In your warped version of modern day Christianity we are NOT our brother's keepers.

It's every man for himself.

Re: Annie Fanny

Actually ... he was a man - a mortal just like the rest of us. Undoubtedly agreat man, one of the greatest men that ever lived - but still a man.

Read your Church history and see when and how it was "decided" to turn Jesus into a more than mortal being!

Your ignorance of historical fact is no excuse. read and enlighten yourself.

Try as you may to distort the history of the life of Jesus - fact is Jesus was an anti-Establishment figure.

This places him squarely with the underdogs of society i.e the poor, Blacks, Latinos etc.

Transparancy? Just Another Lie .

By Michael Isikoff | NEWSWEEK
Published Jun 20, 2009
From the magazine issue dated Jun 29, 2009

As a senator, Barack Obama denounced the Bush administration for holding "secret energy meetings" with oil executives at the White House. But last week public-interest groups were dismayed when his own administration rejected a Freedom of Information Act request for Secret Service logs showing the identities of coal executives who had visited the White House to discuss Obama's "clean coal" policies. One reason: the disclosure of such records might impinge on privileged "presidential communications."

The refusal, approved by White House counsel Greg Craig's office, is the latest in a series of cases in which Obama officials have opted against public disclosure. Since Obama pledged on his first day in office to usher in a "new era" of openness, "nothing has changed," says David -Sobel, a lawyer who litigates FOIA cases.

"For a president who said he was going to bring unprecedented transparency to government, you would certainly expect more than the recycling of old Bush secrecy policies."

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Another so-called 'journalist' whining about his Dear Leaders' talent for lying. Isikoff is the castrated reporter who had the Bill & Monica story for days and spiked it . Matt Drudge got wind of it and the rest is history.

Good morning Friends

Great job Laura. In the back of my mind there is a vague memory of Ludwig Von Mises(?) who many years ago made basically the same point. The big difference that makes people in government, not people in business, the cause of the direct death of millions is that business has more accountability. As imperfect as the marketplace is, it punishes misfeasance and malfeasance more effectively than the brakes on government. Anyone who deals with those in government positions quickly realizes that the higher you go, the less good will and acountability matter. CYA and empire building rules. Who paid for Ruby Ridge? No one and indeed, the same thugs participated at Waco. 89 dead, and nobody paid. Just how people can fear big business and not fear big government baffles me. And the worst of all world's is when the SOB's at the top in both collude, such as happened in Hitler's Germany.

Ralph

Your dullness apparetnly knows no bounds.

You say Bush led us "into the wilderness for 8 years."

You mean the wilderness of low unemployment, growth, lower taxes, and a stock market up in the 14,000 range?

But of course, as a Democrat, you probably believe those are negatives.

As to your Biblical illiteracy and ignorant half truths - Jesus was and is God! You speak of Him as if He were a mere man, going around giving people hugs and such.

Democrat policies of bigger and more intrusive government hurt the poor the most. Conservative policies (read: capitalism) stimulate growth and allow for more jobs and more opportunity.

Liberalism is a disease, and you've got a deadly case of it.

ralph the retartd/mario the commie

your nose is so far up the anal pore of your messiah and savior, they only time you catch a breath of air is when the messiah farts

So tell us loser boy why you favor communism when you are little more than a generation away from castro's socialist paradise.

I see being a loser runs in your family. And you long for flap ears the corrupt and stupid clown from chicago to destroy america.

To love flap ears the pretender is to hate america

Re: Joel the Oppressor

Stop pontificating about matters you know nothing of.

Jesus was not a Capitalist. Jesus was not a Socialist. Those concepts were unknown in his day.

More likely the better terms would be: was he a Reformer or a Revolutionary?

Its well known that Jesus had a love for the poor, the dispossesed and the downtrodden.

The selfsame people who are ground into the Capitalist mill day in day out.

Would Jesus if he were around today be sitting on the Board of Directors of IBM or GM? Or would he be on the streets helping those at the bottom of society - uh, maybe like a community organizer?

Joel: Good morning to you too...

I am well, thank you. And you?

You are spot on... "every feminist rally, every 'green' protest, and every gathering of 'progressives' of every type."

But the irony is most of those people actually see themselves as BEING IN control. The rest are like lilly.

Barack we hardly knew you....

before you became elected to the highest office in the land. Precious little scrutiny was given to who you really are, where you were actually born and the environment in which you formulated your beliefs.

That you are ineligible to hold your office has been ridiculed and shame has been put on anyone who dared to question it. You have been able to forcefully and expensively hide almost all of your papers and documents because they would have revealed your grievously flawed past.

Your minions who helped to deceive so many are still shilling for you in their every waking moment. To influence the populace and to cloak yourself in a false righteousness you have allegedly written 2 books as a way of covering up your true identity. That identity is now revealed and it is that of a power hungry monster. Power that you have usurped and mangled as you try to turn MY country into a hell-hole.

May the devil take you, Barack Obama--and as day follows night, he surely will.

Laura61: About Lilly....

Not too long ago she posted, "stereotype that military families are often composed of stupid people."


Need I say more?

Lilly, last one...

Finally, the reason that government cannot protect everyone from the consequences of all their choices, or give people everything they want, is because it is impossible. And the pursuit of the impossible by those powerful enough to try it anyway has always been a prescription for widespread misery.

What about this is so d@mn hard for you people to understand? You cannot claim that oppression under centralized control will not happen, because it has happened every time it has been done, throughout history. And so the gist of your arguments seems always to be, "Oh, but that won't happen here."

I know I won't persuade you that this is exactly what people thought in every other country before their liberties (such as they were) were taken (or given) away.

History is a bit@h, ain't it? As John Adams once said, "Facts are stubborn things."

Lilly

It is always amazing to me how people like you mistrust business - which consists of people with money - and repose total confidence in government - which is people with money AND GUNS.

No one has ever put a gun to your head and made you buy a box of cereal. But GOVERNMENTS have put guns to people's heads for as long as there have been guns. (And before that, they used other methods.)

100 million people have died just under Communist oppression alone, in the 20th century. And there are plenty of other forms of government (monarchy comes to mind) that have killed millions more.

You trust government because you manage to think that the species of human that populates government is somehow different than the species that populates business.

This is complete nonsense, and history refutes it over and over again. Human beings, when given power over other human beings, tend to oppress, enslave and kill them. The MORE power they have, the more inclined they are. Why? Because they assume that they are right, and everyone should do what they dictate.

(to be continued...)

Its going to be worse than Kenya

We are headed for the Detroit/Chicago southside economy. Productive people who prefer to keep as much of what they earn as possible have been bailing out of "tax the rich and spread the wealth" areas for decades. They appreciate the quality of life surrounded by those committed to the Judeo/Christian moral code and work ethic, and so they go to places where these values are still the rule. For a while it was to the suburbs, then across state lines to the South and Southwest. As the rot spreads, will it be across the US border?

I just can't believe how dumb

some of these articles are.

It's one thing to smear Obama with these dishones claims of communism etc., but to smear his Dad is something else again.

This is the first time I've ever heard that Obama's father was a communist - usually the wingnuts whine because he was supposedly a goat-herder. Given the rampant dishonesty here on Townhell, I don't believe any of Hill's claims. And even if it were true of his Dad, Obama isn't a communist, or a socialist, or a social democrat, or even much of a liberal. Hill is just spewing lies.

If you don't have anything intelligent or honest to say, then don't write the column. Oh, I forgot. Intelligence and honesty don't matter - it's all about hate-mongering.

Hill thinks that his readers are so dumb that all he has to do is through out words such as "Hussein" and "Communist" and their hatred will be kindled. Are you people really this dumb?

Justification for Aberrant Behavior

The reality for those who live in a world of 'Depraved Indifference' (Liberals), is to justify or make excuses for their own personal lack of of character, or for their leader Barack Obama.

Liberals never learn from history, Liberals only want to 'Make History', by destroying or changing anything that has ever been deemed 'Good' by countless societies, into anything that has been deemed 'Evil' by those same societies.

Any thinker that is not blinded by ideology, can easily equate the similarities between the most destructive leaders in the history of mankind and Barack Obama.

Like all previous destructive leaders in history, Barack Obama is a pathological narcissist and has a very weak sense of self.

Like all previous destructive leaders in history, Barack Obama compensates his devalued and injured self with pomposity and by projecting a false image of majesty and authority.

Like all previous destructive leaders in history, Barack Obama retreats into a bubble universe of fantasy, in which he is loved, respected and omnipotent.

All children create such a world. Destructive Narcissists like Barack Obama and all previous destructive leaders in history, simply don’t leave it.

Barack Obama Like all previous destructive leaders in history, has carried this world of pretense into his adulthood.

Barack Obama has made his false image so real, Barack Obama can NO longer differentiate his 'Pretend World', from reality (real world).

Barack Obama has the emotional maturity of a child, but the intellect of a man.

Barack Obama is dangerous and will be become even more dangerous.

Remember the Democratic mantra

during the Bush administration: "We support the troops, but we don't support their mission."

Well, here's back at you: "I support the Office of the Presidency, but I don't support the present office-holder's mission."