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Thursday, February 05, 2009
Cliff May :: Townhall.com Columnist
Right Directions
by Cliff May
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Iraq's most recent elections were a sight for sore eyes. Independent observers agree they were free, fair and valid. Iraqis voted less for sectarian parties and more for individual candidates. Extremists did not fare well. Sunnis, Shias and Kurds all participated in large numbers. Iraq is today - and at least for now -- more free and democratic than almost any of its Middle Eastern neighbors. Those who think Arabs incapable of decent governance may yet be proven wrong. Those convinced that pluralism is impossible to sustain in a Muslim majority country also may turn out to have been mistaken.

All that is encouraging for people like me who believe freedom must either advance or retreat, and that Americans have a vital interest in which way the global tide turns. But even more important is the fact that Iraq's third national elections since 2005 were an unmitigated disaster for both al-Qaeda and Iran's proxies in Iraq. Their forces have been decimated - the U.S. military under the leadership of Generals David Petraeus and Ray Odierno saw to that. They were not able to either influence or intimidate large numbers of voters. Nor did they manage to stage terrorist attacks to disrupt the voting. (Four years ago, by contrast, there were nearly 300 such terrorist attacks.)

When America's sworn enemies are frustrated in their ambitions anywhere else in the world, it counts as a battle won.

That doesn't guarantee victory in the larger conflict against militant Islamists. It does, however, allow America's military to wind down in Iraq more quickly than would be the case had conditions on the ground not improved.

Iraqis are increasingly taking responsibility for their own security, with American troops providing strategic and logistics support, as well as advanced training. According to current plans and agreements, America's combat forces will be out of Iraq's cities by this summer and out of the country by 2011. My guess is that President Obama will stand up to those on the Left who are pressuring him to withdraw more precipitously. Yes, he promised to get out of Iraq within 16 months of entering the Oval Office. But he also promised a "responsible and phased" withdrawal. The two promises were never compatible as anyone with any sense of the situation understood.

Obama has retained Robert Gates as Secretary of Defense, Gen. Petraeus as chief of Central Command and Gen. Odierno as commander in Iraq. We can be certain they are advising him against doing anything that would put hard-won progress in jeopardy. If Obama didn't intend to listen to them, why would he keep them on? If their efforts were going to be undermined, why would they stay?

Meanwhile, they and other Pentagon officials also are advising Obama on Afghanistan. According to recent reports, they are recommending that the new administration limit its objectives - that the U.S. focus on eliminating Taliban and al-Qaeda safe havens both in Afghanistan and neighboring Pakistan, ensuring that neither country can be used as a terrorist base. For Afghanistan more broadly, the goal would be stability - rather than democratic nation-building.

It's hard to argue with this approach, first because it is always better to promise less and achieve more, rather than promise more and achieve less (a rule the Bush administration too often failed to grasp).

Second, crushing the Taliban and al-Qaeda is a top-line U.S. strategic interest. Helping foster a free, democratic and prosperous Afghanistan is a more challenging and much longer-term project.

Another lesson we should have learned by now: America cannot export democracy. The best we can do is support democrats where we find them and when they are bold enough to fight for freedom. If there are no serious Afghan democrats, there will be no Afghan democracy no matter what we do. But if there are serious Afghan democrats, we have a duty to assist them, and it's in our enlightened self-interest to do so.

That said, if Petraeus, as expected, develops for Afghanistan a counterinsurgency strategy -- COIN, for short - as he did for Iraq, it will include building local governing capabilities and promoting economic development. Without that, it's not COIN.

In Iraq there is change and in Afghanistan there is the anticipation of change - though perhaps not the change some of Obama's supporters expected. That's a reason for hope.

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Clifford D. May is the President of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.

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Wrong Clifford May
As an Obama supporter all since 2004 I knew that this is exactly how he would be. He is, and always has been, a moderate, a pragmatist, and a highly intelligent one at that. He always said we would be as careful getting out as were careless going in. The folks like Hannity and Limbaugh, who call him a radical Marxist and leftist, are looking more and more foolish by the day.

Actually, I saw a poll where Limbaugh's approval ratings are worse than Bush––a whopping 21%!

It's good to see that May has changed his tone a bit. He actually sounds reasonable. But I can't yet bring myself to forgive him for the way he contributed to the lies of the neocons.

Phylo out.

Left Face
I see the liberals are starting to show their courage now, expressing contempt and making all sorts of threats against those that oppose the communist takeover of our government.

Many of us are excited about this. The internal war that we must have may happen sooner.

And the sooner that happens, the sooner we will achieve victory and effect the solution to the left that must be done to rid ourselves of them permanently.

They will over reach, eventually, and offend the people. They will collapse our economy and the people will vent their rage on them.

Keep running your mouths, you leftist cockroaches. Show yourselves.

In the long run....?
The results of the Iraqi elections may indeed show that what we regard as extremists did not--this time--attract large-scale support. But what about next year, or five years from now? The problem with exporting democracy is that there is nothing in Iraqi society that will prevent the 'extremists' from rising to command a majority in the future.

The neocon premise-as applied to Afghanistan-- has seldom been stated more directly than in this column: "But if there are serious Afghan democrats, we have a duty to assist them, and it's in our enlightened self-interest to do so."

If there are such serious Afghan democrats, then it must be up to them whether or not to do what is needed to prevail in their own country. And, over all the years the US has been intervening in that part of the world, it has not been demonstrated, at least to some Americans, that it is in our "enlightened self-interest" to support such projects with our blood.

Was a fragile Iraqi democracy really worth the lives of those Americans who lost theirs in that fight?

May
"But if there are serious Afghan democrats, we have a duty to assist them, and it's in our enlightened self-interest to do so."

This is a tricky proposition. For an Afghan to be supported openly by the invasion force, does not go well for them.


Also, The election also showed one more important thing, that Iraq and Iran are closely tied together, and that the Gaza debacle brought the two even closer. I'm starting to wonder if Hillary's up to the job at task.

Gestell
Iraq and Afghanistan are the result of 30 years of war that only one group participated prior to 9/11 except for the one engagement by Reagan to take out Qadafi and I wished he would've done the same for the Marines in 82 against Iran for Hezbollah's actions. Because of the Soviets we've been involved with Iran and Afghanistan. Isn't if funny that the Muslims don't have a problem with Russians who controlled countries like Egypt, Syria and Afghanistan. They don't foray into their cities because they know they would be obliterated if they did, women, children and all. So our young fighting men did not die in vain because there is now a spark of freedom in the Middle East like there was in Western Europe and Eastern Europe and Korea and Japan after we freed them. Only liberals led by a fraud like Oblaba have the nerve to apologize for their noble deeds done in the name of liberty for all especially from heathens that kill for the sake of killing.

So you keep asking the question because it is your right to do so but remember who you slap when you do. Their proud family members who know the sacrifice that it takes to keep this country safe and secure.

JD, Don't you just love the nimrod
that gets excited over a talk show guy's ratings compared to a president. Let me suggest that said talk show host has more substance in a comedy bit than Oblaba's spouted for two years and paid a lot better for it. If you don't count the billions he's shoveling to his cronies. The clown is still spouting about who won and what it means. It means you have to start governing dumba$$ and I don't think you can. You thought this messiah stuff would last at least for four years and you start the downhill slide. Its a new era baby! Even you are lost without your blackberry and the new wore off by Blago time. So step up and do your job. If you think you can ram socialist pork down our throat when you and your dims already tanked the economy (even more will soon be out) and not be called on it, you lapped up too much of your own propaganda about the stupidity of Americans.

indyconantidim
Would you provide this apology quote from Obama? And, as to Muslims hating the communists, you're out of the loop. The US had, before Bush, and may still, a very strong pro-Reagan conservative base. As to revenge for Lebanon, we shipped Saddam chemical weapons and gave him the helicopters and logistics to kill thousands of Iranian troops in the Iraq/Iran war. Saddam used the MMD on the kurds too.

Lessons to learn
I think our country and politicians could learn a lot from our Military, theirs in charge, and yes the Iraqis. They have been fighting two wars, the terrorists, and our represenitives. The Iraqis have learned to trust us despite the negativity here. We need their type in Washington that is the CHANGE I would like to see. What a proud moment it was for them to vote, we here have lost what that means. We should vote for the individual instead of the party, and the do what we say, and not what we do believer.

good so far
The elections were peaceful, which is clearly a good thing. But May conveniently ignores that the side we are supporting in Anbar has stated a refusal to recognize election results if they lost, and earlier returns suggest they lost.

It is possible that despite coming in second in the elections they can cobble together a ruling majority (nobody won a majority).

All of this is just to note what should be obvious that the holding of elections is only part of what makes for a democracy. Acceptance of election results is another big part.

Hand washing
The persons who continually carp about the American lives lost in Iraq should compare that loss against the tens of thousands of Americans who lose their lives every year just because hospital personnel are not adequately washing their hands and are spreading MRSA among their patients. Add to that the tens of thousands of Americans who perish every year because of medical errors in hospitals. At least the Americans who perished in Iraq were striving to do something valuable. Those who perish in our hospitals yearly are merely the victims of incompetence in our highly vaunted health care system. Where's the liberal outrage??

Convert them ALL to Christianity!
As Ann Coulter said after 9/11:
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
The one key ingredient missing in all of our follow-up to Iraq and Afghanistan is the conversion to Christianity! The best prevention of a long-term relationship between Iraq and Iran is to send missionaries to convert Iraqis to Christianity. Same for Afghanistan.
It works!
Islam is inherently a brutal, uncivilized, savage religion. It must be stamped out worldwide! (preferably by conversion, not killing!)

IRAQ TO BE OBAMA'S VIETNAM
Cliff May writes:

"My guess is that President Obama will stand up to those on the Left who are pressuring him to withdraw more precipitously. Yes, he promised to get out of Iraq within 16 months of entering the Oval Office. But he also promised a "responsible and phased" withdrawal."

ApolloSpeaks:

Unfortunately Mr. May is guessing wrong. For some time now I've been predicting that Iraq is DESTINED to be our next Vietnam debacle, and that day is fast approaching. As Powerline reported this week Obama is opposing Gates and Petraeus on the SOFA timetable and wants to pull out of Iraq by an earlier date. This should surprise no one. For the man who as candidate wanted to cut and run from Iraq regardless of the consequences, and who as President supports a reckless, insane spending bill, can't be expected to withdraw from Iraq in a responsible way.

When Obama became the first President in history to boggle his oath of office it was a sign to us all that he would badly boggle his job as Commander in Chief. And now it is happening. Iraq will be Obama's Vietnam bringing with it a period of strategic chaos in the Middle East.

Click ApolloSpeaks and scroll down to the bottom of the blog and read "The Rise of Nuclear Iran" to understand the catastrophic blunder we made by staying in Iraq when we should have been fighting in Iran taking down the mullahs. Now, so it seems, Obama is in the process of losing Itaq to pre-surge chaos with the deadly, murdering, apocalyptic mullahs getting the bomb.

Click below to read about the Obama Petraeus conflict

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/02/022712.php

Iraq's election

Within 3 weeks the press will praise Obama on the fine job he did to insure safe elections in Iraq.

Within 3 weeks as the Afgan situation goes down the tubes Bush will be blamed for obama's failure.

Each day we observe how a man who never wrote a single piece of legislation but always signed on after the fact is falling on his rear-end. It is becoming apparent that dear leader obama is incapable of leading. The guy is weak on solid ability. Perhaps this is good because he will have to fight against the far left- pelosi,obey,waxman,reid on and on. He may even have to fight against his own VP. Obama will be stomped but, will delay these people who lack honor.

Collins, Specter & Snowe just SOLD OUT..

BREAKING NEWS:

Senators Collins, Specter & Snowe just sold the United States out. Calling them "RINOs" is an insult to RINOs.


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D966EEQ80&show_arti cle=1

WASHINGTON (AP) - With job losses soaring nationwide, Senate Democrats reached agreement with KEY REPUBLICANS Friday night on an economic stimulus measure at the heart of President Barack Obama's plan for combatting the worst recession in decades. "The American people want us to work together. They don't want to see us dividing along partisan lines on the most serious crisis confronting our country," said SEN. SUSAN COLLINS of Maine, one of two GOP senators who signaled support for the bill.

Officials put the cost of the measure at $780 billion in tax cuts and new spending combined. No details were immediately available, and there appeared to be some confusion even among senators about the price tag as floor debate continued late into the night.

The agreement capped a tense day of backroom negotiations in which Senate Majority Leader HARRY REID, joined by White House chief of staff RAHM EMANUEL, sought to attract the support of enough Republicans to give the measure the needed 60-vote majority.

In addition to COLLINS, Sen. ARLEN SPECTER, R-Pa., said he would vote for the bill. Sen. OLYMPIA SNOWE, R-Maine, remained uncommitted." (cap emphasis mine)


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Thanks to these three SELL-OUTS (Collins, Specter and Snowe), a few years from now, our country will be forced to default on its debt obligations.

That’ll be after hyper-inflation has destroyed the value of our currency.

These 3 Traitors have enabled the Leftocrats to BORROW nearly a TRILLION DOLLARS, and flush it down the toilet on wasteful pet pork projects.

A trillion dollars.

That’s 1,000,000,000,000.00

If any of these three American Traitors (Senators Collins, Specter and Snowe) happen to be YOUR Senator, please, FIRE THEM.
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