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Thursday, December 18, 2008
Cliff May :: Townhall.com Columnist
Where We Fight
by Cliff May
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It's of little consequence to most of us what historians of the future will say about George W. Bush. More important is whether there will be historians in the future who can work in freedom. That, in turn, depends on the outcome of the war now being waged against the world's free nations.

There are those who will call what I've just written hysterical. They can't imagine the United States being defeated by Islamist regimes and networks. The dismissive question Stalin posed in response to opposition from Pius XII - "How many divisions does the Pope have?" - they ask about al-Qaeda and Iran's ruling mullahs.

The Soviet Union is long gone and the Vatican remains. Moreover, those who believe nations can be destroyed by conventional militaries but not by "asymmetrical warfare" are akin to primitive tribesmen thinking the missionaries crazy to warn about germs: How could such tiny creatures overcome grown men armed with sturdy bows and sharp arrows?

One thing Bush has done right since 2001 is to take the fight to the enemy. The spectacular attacks of 9/11 were planned by militant jihadis operating from a safe haven provided by the Taliban - the Islamist group that ruled Afghanistan in the 1990s. By contrast, terrorists who must hide or stay on the move, who are nervous about communicating by phone or email, who worry constantly that they may be killed or captured are less likely to successfully organize sophisticated operations.

There are those urging Barack Obama to curtail eavesdropping on terrorist suspects abroad, cease clandestine operations against terrorist targets, and grant captured terrorists prisoner-of-war status, and/or the rights enjoyed by defendants in ordinary criminal justice proceedings. To take such advice would invite the next terrorist assault on American soil.

In the current issue of National Review (available on-line to subscribers only, though a related editorial is here), Andrew C. McCarthy - director of the Center for Law and Counterterrorism at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies - writes what may be the definitive rebuttal of the now dominant narrative that the Bush administration violated international law and fundamental morality by not giving captured terrorists "the privileges the Geneva Conventions grant to honorable combatants."

He notes that what we short-handedly call the war on terrorism is complicated by the fact that the existing system of laws and treaties were designed with conventional conflicts in mind. "The animating idea of the Geneva Conventions, adopted in 1949 after the carnage of two world wars, was to civilize warfare," he writes. "Belligerents opted into the system by conduct" - that is, by obeying the laws of armed conflict.

But members of such groups as al-Qaeda (including al-Qaeda in Iraq), Lashkar-e-Taiba, the Taliban, Hezbollah, and Hamas routinely and egregiously violate the laws of war - for example, by targeting civilians, hiding among civilians, not wearing uniforms, and not carrying their weapons openly.

McCarthy, a former U.S. government terrorist prosecutor, also notes that before Bush became president, both the Washington Post and the New York Times editorialized against giving such "unlawful combatants" the status of POWs. Both approved President Ronald Reagan's 1987 decision not to sign "Protocol I," an addendum to Geneva specifically designed to extend to terrorists the Conventions' prohibition against coercive interrogations.

The Geneva Conventions are treaties, and treaties apply only to states that have signed them. You can't conclude they were meant to benefit non-state terrorist organizations unless you also believe there is no meaningful distinction between al-Qaeda and the French Resistance (as some critics of the Bush administration do indeed insist).

McCarthy elaborates: "[T]errorists cannot opt into Geneva. They fall outside because, by definition, they reject its minimum humanitarian requirements. Affording them Geneva's benefits rewards their savagery and undermines the system's civilizing objectives."

It is absurd to suggest that America can prevail in a war against terrorists by prosecuting them after they carry out attacks in which they intend to die. A rational government, conscious of its duty to protect the population, must attempt to prevent and pre-empt terrorists from completing their missions. That requires gathering solid, actionable intelligence.

"The best source of such intelligence is the interrogation of captured terrorists," McCarthy writes. "Applying the steep Geneva interrogation restrictions reserved for honorable combatants would be suicidal: Life-saving intelligence would be lost and no reciprocal benefit achieved for captured Americans, whom terrorists would torture and kill in any event."

It's of little consequence what Obama thinks of Bush. What is important is that not discard policies that are working, and that he grasps McCarthy's central point: Domestic and international law needs to be reshaped into "tools that work against terrorists, rather than for them." The Geneva Conventions are not a suicide pact. If there are free historians in the future, they will understand that.

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Clifford D. May is the President of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.

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It's doubtful Phylo.
Duh.

Incredulous
Oh, I see! It's all clear now, thanks to your brilliant water and dam analogy. I was blind but now I see.

Thanks incredulous.

What About Those Gitmo Detainees.
If we are to release people in Gitmo and their own countries won't accept them back, I believe our laws say that they get to stay in the US. Is that what we really want? Be careful what you wish for in your hatred for Bush/Cheney.

Phylo@4:P.M.
Simply brilliant Phylo. Why couldn't Al Queda gain standing in Iraq? Did American forces have anything to do with their defeat? And of course those wire-taps on calls coming from known terrorist lands to individuals living here in the U.S., why by golly, the Constitution was shredded there wasn't it? Let me try giving you an analogy you might grasp. A landowner lives downstream from a massive dam. The dam starts leaking. The landowner begins piling sandbags around his property. The dam continues leaking, forcing the landowner to relinquish more and more of his property to the rising water until finally only his immediate household is protected. He's got sandbags piled 30ft. high all around his home and must constantly patch and repair breaches to his defense. Wouldn't it have been much better if he'd gone to the source of his difficulty, (the dam) and effected repairs there?

Fight the enemy on their home soil
Before 9/11 happened there were all forms of terrorist attacks all across Europe and Asia. The were just tolerated, never dealt with. It was wise of President Bush to take the fight to the enemy on their home soil. The terrorist who attacked us thought they were going to make America their next play ground of death and destruction. They never thought we were going to do anything about it. You can be sure the terrorist knows about our anti war groups, our protesters, and weak politicians who rather blame America for all the wrongs of the world. It was a gigantic blow to the terrorist when our troops enter Afghanistan and Iraq. It was then the world realized terrorism would no longer be tolerated, but dealt with. No longer were terrorist able to say we attack you and fight you were we want to. Terrorist were no longer calling the shots. You can't fight so good when your running, and terrorist are better suited to fighting and killing civilians then they are the military. It's not easy to put fear in the military, the way terrorist puts fear in civilians. Nothing stays the same. The enemy, the fighting, the uniforms, the methods of killing, and the methods of getting information. If you can't adjust to the methods of the enemy, you have lost the war.

curious
Does May not understand the significance of the Stalin quote or does he think radical muslims are going to defeat us based on moral suasion and the superiority of their ideas?

What a strange comparison to make.

.........
I agree with Rick B. We should follow the Geneva conventions and summarily execute all non-uniformed combatants.

What a bunch of crap
How is Clifford May still considered worthy of writing columns? Since when has this fool been right about anything? He's an hysteric and a war monger. Cliff: How are a few thousand jihadists, who can't even take over Iraq, going to take over the United States? The whole idea is beyond preposterous. You are delusional. Do you have any idea of what size army it would take to occupy the United States? Do you have any idea how much that would cost. They couldn;t possibly land a ship with one thousand people on the shore of the US. They wouldn't be able to hold ten square miles of land for more than a week.

Cliff writes: "There are those urging Barack Obama to curtail eavesdropping on terrorist suspects abroad, cease clandestine operations against terrorist targets..."

Um. No. There aren't. There are people who are saying that, if the government wants to listen in on the conversations of American citizens, the government should have to get a warrant. And NO ONE, Cliff, NO ONE is urging Barack Obama to cease clandestine operations against terrorist targets. These are straw man arguments.

What a pathetic piece of fear mongering. If you're going to fear monger, at least try to appear credible and sane.

Phylo out.

Taliban write Bush
Taliban writes letter to Bush asking for John Walker Linhd’s release. Read it at, http://stopthepresses2.blogspot.com

BRAVO!!
Bravo! Sure am glad someone says it like it really is! Thanks!

Not that the liberals listen. There is no one so blind as those who will not see!

Geneva Convention
We should certainly follow the dictates of the Geneva Convention, particularly the part that states that those captured on the battlefield without uniforms or an identifiable rank structure should be executed.

Yes...external threats.....
are certainly real indeed......but at the moment....we must look within and be vigilant.
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