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Thursday, December 04, 2008
Cliff May :: Townhall.com Columnist
This War is Not About Grievances
by Cliff May
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The attack in India was not the test of Barack Obama's mettle that Joseph Biden has predicted. But it was a test. The terrorists were communicating who they are and what they want. Obama, like the rest of us, can choose to understand - or we can wrap ourselves in comforting illusions.

The Times of India instructed its readers: "Terrorists have no religion." That's a lovely sentiment but it bears no relationship to reality. In Mumbai - as in London, Madrid, Bali, New York, Jerusalem and so many other places - the slaughter was carried out by men who regarded themselves as jihadis, holy warriors, doing Allah's will. Aijaz Zaka Syed, a columnist for the Dubai-based Khaleej Times, faces this fact: "How many innocents have to die in the name of Islam," he asked, "before Muslim leaders and countries take effective action to deal with the nuts, who are out to destroy us all with their nihilistic cult?"

As media analyst Tom Gross points out, the Times of London, the BBC, Sky News, and other European news outlets assiduously avoided calling those who murdered unarmed men, women, and children "terrorists." The harshest term they could manage was "militants." Reuters and the Guardian, echoing Al-Jazeera, used the even more nonjudgmental term: "gunmen." And as Mark Steyn notes, in some cases, they were merely "suspected gunmen" -- even those photographed carrying rifles.

On American television news programs, experts said the Mumbai attacks stemmed from the dispute over Kashmir. Except for the torture and murders carried out at the Jewish community center - those were said to be linked to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Americans, Canadians, Europeans, and Japanese were presumably shot dead in response to a variety of other grievances.

But it is instructive that the terrorists in Mumbai did not take hostages as bargaining chips. Their mission was mass murder, not a new round of negotiations. The goal of militant jihadis is not dialogue; it's the defeat of their enemies, including Hindus, Jews, Christians and any Muslims who disobey them or get in the way. In other words: This war is not, at base, about grievances, plentiful as those may be in the Muslim world. And addressing grievances will not end the war.

But, one might argue, if such issues as Kashmir and Palestine could be resolved, surely that would remove fuel from the fire. Then, Lashkar-e-Taiba (the group apparently behind the carnage in Mumbai) and al-Qaeda and the Taliban and Hezbollah and Hamas and Iran's mullahs would find fewer angry young Muslim men susceptible to being radicalized and recruited for terrorist missions.

Maybe. But if terrorist acts prompt Indians, Israelis, Americans and others to move such issues to the top of the pile - above, say, the genocide of Black Muslims (by Arab Muslims) in Darfur - and to make significant concessions to resolve them, that will lead to the conclusion that terrorism succeeds. And successful movements never have difficulty attracting adherents.

What's more, there still would be millions of impoverished and frustrated young Muslim men from Casablanca to Cairo to Gaza to Karachi who would be susceptible to an ideology that tells them they deserve to rule, and that whatever they lack has been taken from them by infidels whom they are permitted -- indeed encouraged -- to kill.

It is relevant to ask why Mumbai was a target, and why now? Mumbai, also known as Bombay, is India's financial capital, its most multi-religious city, and home to "Bollywood" - which produces movies featuring beautiful women, exuberant singing, and often provocative dancing. All of the above infuriate Islamists.

Further, the U.S. has been putting pressure on Pakistan's new president, Asif Ali Zardari, to move aggressively against al-Qaeda and Taliban sanctuaries in Pakistan's lawless northwest provinces. Inciting tension between Pakistan and India makes it more difficult for Zadari to move troops from the border with India to the border with Afghanistan.

One hopes that President-Elect Obama is acutely aware that Islamist terrorists around the world are working on ways to do in America what was done in India. Hoping they don't manage it is not a policy. Planning to prosecute the perpetrators after the fact is a policy - a ludicrously ineffective one when dealing with terrorists embarking on suicide missions.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said that the assault on Mumbai raises "huge questions about how the world addresses violent extremism." Actually, it answers those questions. It should be more obvious than ever that Islamist terrorists - or even just "violent extremists"- must be fought. That requires such ungentlemanly tactics as aggressive surveillance and rigorous interrogations. We either take the fight to the terrorists or we wait for the terrorists to bring the fight to us - as they did in Mumbai. There's no third option.

The Times of India editorial I quoted above was titled "It's War." Yes, it is - a global war, one that began long before September 11, 2001, and whose end is nowhere in sight. What's puzzling is how that can still come as news to so many people in India, Europe, and America.

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Clifford D. May is the President of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.

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Re Taking the Fight to Terrorists

CLIFF MAY writes: "We either take the fight to the terrorists or we wait for the terrorists to bring the fight to us."

The tragedy is that Pres. Bush prior to 9/11 did not share that philosophy. Refer to Page 260 of the 9/11 Commission Report: The Report, reflecting the conclusions of the 9/11 Commission, chaired by Republican Tom Kean, states that Pres. Bush, prior to Sept. 11, 2001, had been well aware of the threat that Osama bin Laden posed to the safety and security of the United States.

So much so, that according to the Report, Mr. Bush had directed the CIA in the summer of 2001 to advise him whether any of the threats at that time pointed to an attack upon the U.S.

As stated on page 260 of the report, two CIA analysts, via the President's Daily Brief (PDB) warned the President on Aug. 6, 2001 that "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." was "CURRENT AND SERIOUS."

Nevertheless, Pres. Bush, a graduate of Yale with an MBA from Harvard, as stated in the 9/11 Report, chose to discount the dire CIA warning as "historical in nature"! Five weeks later Osama bin Laden's terrorists attacked.

And post-9/11 Pres. Bush failed to honor his repeated vows to get mass murderer bin Laden "dead or alive," leaving bin Laden free to continue terrorizing the United States.

Question is, given Pres. Bush awareness of reliable warnings by the CIA of imminent terrorist attack in the summer of 2001, why did it take Pres. Bush 3,000 deaths and the destruction of the Twin Towers to commence the "War on Terror"?

And why hasn't Pres. Bush fulfilled his promise to eliminate mass murderer bin Laden, universally acknowledged as the force behind the 9/11 attack upon the U.S. SEVEN YEARS AGO?

Dealing with Extremists
In the end, after many innocents are killed only because they do not adhere to a specific religion or political philosophy, the pendulum of response will swing to a darker side.
History shows that after appeasement has failed, people finally get tired of the devastation & those who kill just because they demand we all live & believe as they do.
Its not that people want to be mean or to seek revenge. They just seek to stop those who vent by killing indiscriminately.
Based on the efforts to "be nice" & to accommodate the desires of extremist groups, many are reaching the breaking point of tolerance. Many more will still die before leaders realize average people worldwide, want this to stop.
Extremists now use ANY issue as the basis of their cause. Yet in the end, no issue is the basis of the extremists cause, except their desire to subjugate others to their will. Today, those seeking redress for past grievances have just about exhausted their supply of sympathy by most reasonable people.
We have allowed special interests to make their cases for redress of extremist causes & have finally found that no matter how much we give, it is never enough.
We can parse words all we want, but in the end the world's latest bout with indiscriminate death & hate, is based on Islamists who demand the world has offended them for any reason that happens to play well in the media.
In addition, no matter how anyone tries to describe the situation in various or semantical words or terms, the facts are, the world is at war with "extremist Islamic terrorists" who seek to subjugate all, based on "their" definition of religion & government!

DanNV
Do you remember when Ethiopia invaded Somalia and advocates of your view were ecstatic because finally the terrorists would be dealt with free from political correctness?

As it happens that didn't turn out so well did it? But the fact that ideas don't work in practice is no reason not to support them in theory.

Richard says:
"I agree that torture is counter productive however waterboarding does not rise to the level of torture."
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Tell that to Japanese officer Yukio Asano, who was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor for waterboarding a US civilian.

The enemy is radical Islam.
This is not to indict the Muslim neighbors down the street, only the Bin Ladens, homicide bombers and the radical clerics that inspire them.

General George MacArthur started having problems with Islamist terrorists in the Philipines after WWII. He had an effective solution, he would execute them and bury them under a dead pig. Islamist terrorism stopped almost immediately.

Muslims believe that if you're buried this way you'll never get to paradise. We should start burying the suicide bombers' remains this way and make it very public. If we made an example of some of the foreign fighters in Iraq by burying their remains like this, the rest would bug out.

In addition, we should monitor the mosques and prosecute radical clerics for inciting violence and crime both in Iraq and this country.

Liberals ask us to look at the root causes of terrorism. OK, Bin Laden is very wealthy, so poverty and oppression are not the root causes as they like to claim. Radical clerics are the root cause, put them out of business and you've gotten to the root cause.

Makes too much sense for our PC government to take seriously. Unfortunately.

Pat from AZ

Well one of the reasons Liberals think the United States tortures is because the Liberal media tells them we do.

This shows a lack of "critical thinking skills."

After 7 years of war, thousands of enemy combants caputured, not one terrorist has come forth and stated he was tortured. No broken bones, no burn marks, no injuries of any kind.

So clearly there is a disconnet between what liberals believe and what is fact.

Islam means submission
I don't know how many more people Muslims have to kill before the rest of the world gets it. The muslim attitude is: you will submit to our demands. All of them. And once you have, there'll be more.

Dealing with Islam by addressing its grievances is like dealing with an abusive husband the same way. In both cases, the approach is erroneous. The husband didn't beat his wife because she failed to clean the house and have dinner ready on time. He beat her because he's abusive. Islam is like this.

For those who will call me racist and tell me that this is not what Islam is really about, I say this: Islam is as Islam does. I've been watching it since the 1980s and my curiosity is satisfied: It's a bad religion. Period.

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Excellent article.

Mr. May
As always, you are spot on and present your case brilliantly!

We can't win this war
Why? Because we lack the cold resolve needed to win. That would be a brutal assault on every terrorist stronghold in every region it lives. It would necessarily mean "collateral damage." What a sanitary way to say innocent lives will be lost.

The lives of the innocent will be lost regardless, just look at the carnage in Mumbai. So, while we wrestle with the moral issue of the horrors of war, our enemies eagerly plan to bring that horror to our own front yards.

The answer is obvious. Hopefully, when we are called to answer the question, we won't simply answer, "present."

SOMILIA IS NEXT
CHANGE IS THE SAME

Hopefully...
...this will be a wake-up call to governments that harbor or turn a blind eye to militants. Pakistan passed on confronting this group to avoid risking a public backlash, and now instead is facing the very real threat of war with a nuclear-armed state. I have to think the latter is worse. It's absurd to allow such groups to operate in your country and think that it won't eventually blow up in your fact.

Of course, you would think that what happened to the Taliban in Afghanistan would have sent the same message so I might be irrationally optimistic here.

I agree that torture is counter
productive however waterboarding does not rise to the level of torture. Torture is never about information its about creating fear the general population so they either do not act or act in a counter productive way.

The best interrogation techniques have always been to trick your enemy into giving you information by letting them think you know more than you do. Giving them a false sense of power and security letting them think they are in control and bragging and gloating.

Pat says:
"The United States does NOT torture! Never will."
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Can you say waterboarding? And before you say it isn't torture because we do it to our own troops, remember that we're training them to resist torture, not just rigorous interrogation techniques.

Besides, what you call "making them uncomfortable" has proven to be counterproductive because it is how they expect us to treat them. One of Zarqawi's associates was convinced to give up the al-Qaeda in Iraq leader's location because we treated him as a human, not because we degraded and humiliated him.

Corndog
Does it really hinder the military to give them less bad information? Torture is effective if the goal is to get confessions, whether true or not. They are not good at getting accurate information.

That is why it is retired military leaders who are currently pushing Obama to reverse Bush's torture policy.

Much of the inaccurate information we got in Iraq, particularly the information linking Hussein and bin Laden came from torture. Not surprising since the Bush administration wanted to believe there was a link, and al qaeda wanted us to believe there was a link.

The key thing about information is that it is quality more than quantity that matters.

Wow Lon
Jumping right to item 4) from my 1:02 pm post. You didn't waste anytime.

nothing new
There is actually very little new to be learned from the terrorist attack in Mumbai because it was an act similar to earlier acts by related groups that we are more familiar with, most obviously 9/11.

And not surprisngly May did not learn anything from the attack, since his prescription is precisely the same as it would have been the day before.

He does make a lot of questionable conclusions, but they naturally are the questionable conclusions he would have made before. For example he does not think that Mumbai was attacked because for its economic centrality, but rather for its cultural importance. He apparently forgets that in the US we have these two functions separated in LA and NY, and the terrorists did not go for the cultural center.

Bizarrely the first half of the column tries to paing the terrorists as mindless nihilists, and then in the second half it is kind of acknoledged that in fact the terrorists have strategic purposes, and that some of them are the kinds of things that would be furthered by the policies that May favors.

Pat
Actually we have tortured, and some of the tortured people have died because of the torture. At the point that people are dying, it is rather stupid to describe it as just making people uncomfortable.

There may be a legitimate defense to the fact that under Bush we tortured, and it appears fairly routinely and not restricted to people who turned out to be guilty of anything.

But there is no defense for pretending that the things that we convicted japanese interrogators of doing as torture is not torture just because it is done by us.

camanintx in point of fact
many on the loony left like mikely moore have in fact not only suggest that we shouldn't be aggressive when it comes to intelligence they have come right out and demanded that we not be aggressive in any thing dealing with the terrorist.

While the Bush admin has been very incompetent and ineffective in dealing with terrorism I suspect the Obama admin is going to be worst. After all he is picking the same person that under clinton thought bombing an aspirin factory was a great way to fight terrorist. Remember their other big effort against the terrorist was to bomb a couple of pig farms in Pakistan while aiming at Afghanistan they missed an entire country with their incompetence. Hardly the stuff that inspirers one to think Obama has a clue about what to do to fight terrorist.

Amazing
how the lefties carp about what they percieve as 'torture' yet regard the real torture and execution of helpless, preborn babies as a legal right found in a "penumbra" around the
"living, breathing, eating, sleeping" Constitution.
Our enemies are giving no quarter in the War, and politically correct nincompoops want to argue the fine points of what is and what isn't torture; and are willing to destroy the lives
of anyone in the military that even is hinted at
committed "murder" in the heat of battle. Haditha Marines ring any bells? Until we decide
we are in this fight to the death, our culture and heritage or theirs we will never be safe.
When media and politicians dance around the facts whenever there is a massacre; and torture executions of innocent people only because of their ethinic and religious origins, it's
not only pathetic cowardice, but borders on the criminal.

TORTURE
The United States does NOT torture! Never will.

The problem is that liberals don't even want the "poor misunderstood souls" (as they describe the terrorists) to even feel uncomfortable. If our troops can undergo these tactics, then the worthless pieces of you-know-what can undergo the same tactics, especially if it is going to save American lives.

Reasonable Measures
Before all the wingnuts here start rattling off about how liberals don't want to fight terrorists, I would just like to point out two things.

First, no one is suggesting that we shouldn't be aggressive when it comes to intelligence. But there should be safeguards to prevent the types of abuses confirmed by Lt. Gen. James R. Clapper during his confirmation last year as Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence.

Second, rigorous interrogations are one thing but the blatant support for torture is another. Besides providing our enemies with a powerful recruiting tool, it is completely counterproductive as shown by the recent Op-Ed from Matthew Alexander in the Washington Post.

Great article Cliff
But honestly,

aggressive surveillance
rigorous interrogations
take the fight to the terrorists

Do you think obambi and his group of moonbat placaters are going to do any of this?

No, they're going to do what they always do.
1) Hinder the military and intelligence agencies.
2) Wait for us to get attacked...again.
3) Hold a stern press conference where they vow to legally prosecute those responsible.
4) Blame America, George Bush, and Israel.
5) Grab a mocha cappuccino at Starbucks.
6) Withdraw the military from (name of country here).
7) Attend fund raiser for the oppressed people of(name of arab country here).
8) Ask the EU and UN to forgive us for being attacked.
9)Cutback military funding.
10) Tell the world that Global Warming is a greater threat than terrorists errrrrr we mean suspected gunmen.
11) Sing Kumbaya.
12) Do nothing and act like it ever happened.

Good Article.....
but no worries mate.....political correctness will win out in the end........lol....

viva la PC.......lol....
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