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Thursday, April 24, 2008
Cliff May :: Townhall.com Columnist
Thinking the Unthinkable
by Cliff May
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The next time Islamist terrorists attack us it could be with a nuclear weapon. By saying that, am I “fear mongering”? If so, I’m in good company. Graham Allison is a Harvard professor who served with distinction in the Defense Department under both Reagan and Clinton. He wrote a book in 2004 arguing that “on the current course, nuclear terrorism is inevitable.”

There has been no change of course since – on the contrary. Ashton B. Carter, co-director of the Preventive Defense Project at Harvard, said recently that the threat of nuclear terrorism has been increasing due to Iranian and North Korean proliferation and the failure to secure Russia's nuclear arsenal following the Cold War. The probability of a nuclear attack on an American city, he believes, is now “almost surely larger than it was five years ago.”

Gary Anthony Ackerman, Research Director of the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism, also recently told Congress that “the prospect of terrorists detonating a nuclear device on American soil sometime within the next quarter-century is real and growing.”

And Cham D. Dallas, who directs the Institute for Health Management and Mass Destruction Defense at the University of Georgia, says flatly: “It’s inevitable.” Testifying before a Senate hearing this month, he added: “I think it's wistful to think that it won't happen by 20 years."

Should a 10-kiloton nuclear bomb explode near the White House, Dallas estimates that 100,000 people would be killed. A radioactive plume would lethally contaminate thousands more. In a densely populated city such as New York or Chicago, a similar blast would result in a death toll perhaps eight times that high.

Charles Allen, Undersecretary for Intelligence and Analysis for the Department of Homeland Security, has said there is no question that Islamist terrorist groups are seeking nuclear materials. But the intelligence community, he added, is “less certain about terrorists' capability to acquire or develop a nuclear device.”

Could the intelligence community be more certain? Yes, our spies could do more to increase our chances of detecting - -- and preventing – terrorist attacks of all varieties. But they are being denied the tools. The most notable example: The law that gave America’s intelligence agencies the authority to freely monitor the communications of foreign terrorists abroad expired in February.

A bill to restore that authority passed the Senate by a solidly bipartisan 68-to-29 majority. A bipartisan majority in the House would almost certainly vote in favor of the same measure but Speaker Nancy Pelosi – for more than two months – has used the power of her office to stop members from casting their votes yea or nay.

Why would she do something so irresponsible? Groups on the left, important to the Democrats in this election season, demand that foreign terrorists abroad be given the same privacy protections enjoyed by American citizens here at home.

This policy may already have cost American lives. In at least one instance, U.S. officials labored for nearly 10 hours to get legal approval necessary to conduct wiretaps to help them locate three American soldiers kidnapped by al-Qaeda combatants in Iraq. The soldiers were not successfully rescued.

"We are extending Fourth Amendment (constitutional) rights to a terrorist foreigner ... who's captured a U.S. soldier," Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell complained to a congressional committee during a legislative battle over this same issue last year.

Also in the mix: Trial lawyers are suing telecommunications companies that cooperated with intelligence officials immediately after 9/11/01, allowing them to “mine” data for patterns of terrorist activity. If the trial lawyers – the biggest donors to Democrats – succeed, they will reap billions of dollars. They also will teach the private sector never again to assist government efforts to identify terrorists. The Senate bill would protect the telecoms from these laws suits.

Almost two dozen moderate Democratic House members sent Pelosi a letter saying that until this measure is passed, America’s national security will be “at undue risk.” But that was months ago. Since then, with few exceptions, Democrats have been keeping their mouths shut.

Is worrying about nuclear terrorism fear mongering? After the suicide-bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983, and again after the truck-bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993, most politicians exhibited not fear but complacency. They did nothing serious to anticipate or avert the next terrorist attacks. The consequence was the atrocity of 9/11/01.

Nancy Pelosi and those following her lead appear to have learned nothing over the years since.

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Well,
I don’t think it’s fear mongering, but what else is being said here? How could domestic phone taps helped the captured soldiers? Was some terrorist call a friend or relative in the US to brag about where they were hidden? Why wouldn’t a judge grant the warrant? Was there no support for it? Were there no other judges to appeal?

More important, let’s put it in context with another right that is dear to me. What if, in order to save thousands of lives a year, the government outlawed all firearms and ammunition? To help in this, the government waives search warrants for weapons so any law enforcement agency can look anywhere they want.

I know the example is far fetched, but it is relevant to the question. I worry anytime the government wants to overstep their authority even if it’s for my own protection.

Pelosi, et al
are the Alfred E. Newmans of our Marxist socialist government:
"What, me worry?"

Great William Pitt quotation.
I agree on the onerous compulsion of government to restrict the liberties of the people, eventually to abolish them.

I think William Pitt said it best:

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves".

I hope people read this quote, and ponder what it means.

Read it again. Keep it in your heart.

Citizens of our Beloved Republic are derelict in their duties to their countrymen, as well as to our nation, not to give serious consideration to what Pitt so succinctly and eloquently said.

But, the specter of utter devastation of a nuclear device from terrorists cannot be dismissed.

All I would ask of my fellow brethren is to balance the TEMPORARY need to thwart such cataclysmic destruction onto our homeland, with a sound realization that government, whether presided over by a Bill or Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, G.W. Bush, or John McCain, MUST inexorably undermine the freedoms our founders so judiciously, and so bravely, bestowed upon our fair nation.

To that end, permit TEMPORARY provisions G.W. Bush seeks on combating this threat, while being cognizant Bush is deeply flawed, has blundered horrifically on Iraq, and is largely ignorant of what is transpiring in the Muslim world, and on foreign policy generally.

Don't trust Bush without judicial and congressional oversight.

But yes, he must have the tools, with oversight, to monitor communications between foreign entities suspected of terrorism, and U.S. citizens.

And that includes warrantless wiretaps between foriegn and U.S....but again, with periodic review...hopefully weekly from a non-executive branch of govt.

The enemy and the threat
What far too many people do not wish to recognise is that the enemy we face is unlike any we have faced in the past. Thus, measures to combat an enemy that once were sufficent, are no longer.
That terrorist groups are seeking to acquire nuclear weapons is a fact, irrepective of what people may say. Of far greater importance is the fact that if, and when they attain that goal, they will use what they have, without any concern for possible reprisals on our part.
From their perspective, if they themselves were to be killed in retaliation for killing hundreds of thousands of us "infidels," they would go directly to that "paradise" of theirs, whilst we would all go to eternal Hellfire. They do believe that. When your enemy not only does not care if he dies for his cause, but actually welcomes such a potential outcome, there is no point in thinking that you can negotiate with him. This is not a pleasant thing, but it is true.
The people who oppose new measures to combat these terrorist murderers, and who postulate nightmare scenarios that "the government" might visit upon American citizens, are not facing he reality of the threat.

Mike R, How is
listening in on international phone calls domestic spying? Like you, I once took an oath to defend and uphold the Constitution of the US, so I start from the same place you do. Your response please?

badboy
Anything that’s done inside the US is domestic. I have no problem listening in on international calls and neither does the constitution. As long as calls to or from the US aren’t involved and we operate from another country, we can spy on foreigners and citizens in foreign countries all we want.

The problems arise only when we go domestic. There are ways around the current problem.

worse these last 5 years
So the threat of a nuclear attack on has been getting worse during the last 5 years? I wonder what policies of the last 5 years May would advocate changing? Oh wait, no he wants to keep doing what we have been doing while things have been getting worse, but moreso.

Cutting back on the civil liberties of Americans seems less essential to protecting against this particular threat than disentagling our resources from Iraq and focusing them on the actual nuclear terrorists. It also is good that we have abandoned Bush's failed policy of teaching North Korea a lesson by not talking to them while they build nukes. We should probably go back to full funding of programs to get Russian nukes under control.

Basically we should try to get back more towards the foreign policy we had before people who agree with May got to make the decisions.

The real problem is that our two parties
have become so partisan that they no longer represent the people, never mind following the Constitution.

The idea of the founders was to have three divisions in the federal government be a check on each other. Under our corrupt two party system, that has devolved into the Democrats and Republicans being a check on each other.

If the congress acted as it was supposed to, as a unified body that kept the the power of the President in check, and served the people, we could allow for the Patriot Act because the congress could apply strict supervision, even yearly renewal.

Sadly, the partisanship has replaced leadership and what we have is a power struggle between the two parties. The solution is to break this hold on power by the two and elect an Independent President who will stand up for the people first. Another elite from either party will only give us more big government, declining personal freedoms, and greater influence to the internationalists who hate America.

If you want to see how the elites perpetrated this greatest of scams on us all, I urge you to visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG. Check it out why not? The elites have stolen our inheritance! Shouldn't we act to reclaim it? Thanks, Joe

It ain't ABOUT us
The Protect America Act is not ABOUT granting the executive the power to wiretap Americans without warrants. It specifies that our agencies can monitor the phonecons and emails of FOREIGNERS, even if they are switched at some point through US nodes.

The need for it arose when one of the 11 rotating FISA Court judges ruled that warrants would be required to monitor anyone's communications, even those of foreigners, if they are switched through US nodes. Congress acted correctly to plug that hole in our surveillance, passing the Protect America Act rather than waiting for further logic-chopping from the judiciary.

The House, in making the provisions of the Protect America Act permanent, has been stuck on the issue of retroactive immunity for the telecoms, which many of its members don't want to grant. Know the truth here: immunity does not mean immunity from criminal prosecution. It means immunity from civil lawsuits brought by third parties like the ACLU. Nothing about this immunity would prevent the Attorney General from bringing criminal charges against the telecoms if they broke federal law.

The House does not want to shut down the existing lawsuits against the telecoms (and some members don't want to eliminate the opportunity for the litigation industry to profit from bringing further lawsuits). This in spite of the fact that the federal executive can withhold any information it deems vital to national security from the discovery process -- civil suits are not a way of forcing the executive to reveal classified information about who has been monitored. (The executive can also properly prevent the telecoms from disclosing classified information, by charging them with criminal acts if they do.)

There is no noble purpose in what the House is doing: preventing effective surveillance of FOREIGNERS, and generating billable hours for lawyers.

MikeR
You make wise points. As to the idea that some laws are "temporarily" needed because we're "at war" with terrorism, we need to realize that this is a "war" that was not declared, is directed at no sovereign state (with no capitasl or recognized leader) and, most tellingly of all, we will have no idea of when, if ever, we've achieved "victory."

Mike R...
And as you alluded to initially, the "ways around the current problems" would be go to a judge, get a warrant, and thereby creating some sort of record that can memorialize what the authorities and why they did it. It would also uphold the ideal of due process. Point well taken.

However, I'm still not convinced that a phone call originating overseas is a domestic person, house, paper, or effect that's constitutionally protected. Obviously, phone calls made in or originating in the US are protected by 4th amendment safeguards. I still don't necessarily agree that calls originating overseas are.

Example- why does the gov have much freer reign to inspect packages and containers coming into the US than it has for packages/containers shipped exclusively w/in the US. Does customs need a judge's approval every time they wanna look in a suitcase arriving from outside the US? Heck no. What about inspections at ports? No to that one as well.

nd I don't think it's clear that this area of homeland security surveillance violates the 4th amendment.

Joe is correct--
Joe is correct in his assessment of our two party system, and the quote by William Pitt is also correct. The future looks very dismal if our present two party system is not changed for the freedom of the populace that it is supposed to work for , not against.

This is what happens when a one
magaton bomb goes off in Times Square--and that's a small bomb, the size of Big and Little Boys that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Today, atom bombs come in thousands of megatons.

Manhattan will vaporize. People in Harlem and at the Battery may remain as shadows on concrete.

Brooklyn will move three feet to the east.

Newark will move three feet tot he west.

The concussion will not apply much out of that 1-mile range, but the firestorm could ignite forest fires in the NJ suburbs and Pinelands.

Millions would die or be injured. Even today, Japanese citizens experience a high leukemia rate from the original atomic attacks.

whatever gov't is in charge when that disaster hits will be impeached.

The Dems. might consider that when such an event occurs, they have spent years opposing electronic surveillance of any kind, they have opposed any methods of persuasion including torture to elicit information that might savce millions of lives, they do not take national security seriously, oppose secure borders, and detest the military.

If such an attack occurs, it will be the end of the Dem. Party. And nothing in the US will ever be the same again, including the kind of self-centered so-called civil rights that never existed until the last decades, are not specificially ennumerated Constitutionally, and do not help protect the nation as a whole. The country exists to "protect the general welfare" and not foreigners' phone calls.

Renny
When Reagan was first proposed as president, i read a satiric novel. Reagan gets elected, then plants nukes in DC, NYC and LA. When they go off, he blames Russia and launches a successful preeemptive strike. Result: all problems solved, cold war won, dem voter strongholds wiped out, Pax Ronaldus at hand. I have no doubt if a nuke should wipe out an American city, the nutjobs led by Rosie, Hanoi Jane and such moonbats would claim it was a plot by the vast right wing conspiracy. Providing the target wasn't La, of course.

renny writes:
"The Dems. might consider that when such an event occurs, they have spent years opposing electronic surveillance of any kind, they have opposed any methods of persuasion including torture to elicit information that might savce millions of lives, they do not take national security seriously, oppose secure borders, and detest the military."
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Do you think you could distort the Democratic position any more than this?

The Democratic party supports any surveillance as long as it does not infringe on the constitutional rights of Americans. It supports interrogation techniques which are effective and respect the values we hold dear. It supports a national security policy that addresses threats we actually face and not ones manufactured out of political convenience. As for which party detests the military, I suggest you look at the current state of affairs at the VA.

The Hilarious Irony of It All
is that when the terrorists blow DC to Kingdom Come, they will have unwittingly done the disillusioned American People a great favor, and the Democrats and short-sighted Libertarian Barrs and Spineless Republicans of this country will have gotten the punishment they are all due for their irresponsible TREASON and irresponsible lack of the political will to punish and prosecute those guilty of TREASON. The Democrats will have finally killed this government that they have been killing unwittingly for the last 40 years, but not quite the way they had hoped and planned to do so. When DC is burnt to a crisp, we can have a New American Government; I hope we can do better the second time around. It will be even more ironic if the terrorists are found to have crossed our southern border with Mexico. Both parties will have gotten their just reward for TREASON and the careless disregard for our laws, our Constitution, and WE THE PEOPLE!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!

...
----whatever gov't is in charge when that disaster hits will be impeached.----

They'll be lucky if they're not publicly hanged by enraged citizens.

...
----is that when the terrorists blow DC to Kingdom Come, they will have unwittingly done the disillusioned American People a great favor----

I've thought about this before and I agree.

for renny
renny writes: "This is what happens when a one
magaton bomb goes off in Times Square"

Actually, you forgot to discuss the ECONOMIC effects.

Very few of these "It Can't Happen Here" stories ever do.

One that did was "War Day." That novel pointed out that in the Great Depression, the U.S. money supply contracted by some 30%.

If New York City were nuked, the amount of expensive real estate that would be destroyed would be a significant part of the U.S. Gross Domestic Product, as well as wiping out the major stock exchanges. Your life savings in 401(k) and IRA plans are just files on some brokerage computer disk that would be vaporized.

If Washington DC were nuked, the Federal Budget would disappear (including all those Social Security and Medicare checks and farm subsidies), meaning that all those Americans who depend on Government programs and Government spending would be on their own from now on.

And those dollars you are holding in your wallet, are backed by nothing but the "full faith and credit" of the U.S. Government. After a nuclear attack, that would be zilch because the seat of government would be gone.

The result would be an economic depression comparable to the one the Weimar Republic had, in which the German mark became worthless.

With just two cities gone, New York City and Washington DC, the U.S. would cease to be an economic superpower.

We would likely be back to barter and trading gold and jewelry.

Total B.S.
Think people. Even with the full effort of their government and "purchased" plans Iran is still unable to create a nuke. In fact other than India, Pakistan, North Korea (maybe), China, Russia and a few of the NATO countries no one has been successful. Yet you think a bunch of illiterate, unorganized arabs who live in caves (I am beginning to think "Al Quada" isn't anything more than a part of the executive branch in charge of producing audio and video tapes that suit it's purpose) will be able to acquire the materials, design, build, transport and detonate a nuclear bomb! Sheesh....give me a break!

WRONG
Buiulding a bomb is not that difficult. I speak as someone who did my graduate work in physics. While in college (many years ago) the vast majority of grad students at my school majoring in physics were Chinese, in most cases with US gov't financing. Shortly thereafter China exploded a nuke... and we wondered where they got the technonlogy.

That was before the Internet. Now any physics grad student worth his salt could design a functional nuke. A good engineer and a good machinist could make it. The only real hard part is getting the fissionable material.

The bomb may not be 100% efficient, but it would make a big 'bang' and cause a lot of damage.

I said Am. would never be the
same.

Doesn't that include economics?

I'm not a real fan of Jericho, but I have seen it, and the conflicts over keeping law and order, distributing dwindling food supplies, worrying about contact with an outside world that seems unresponsive would happen everywhere.

There's a novel By the Waters of Babylon that was populat in the 60s. It's set in FL after a WW III nuclear event.

People of FL have the advantage of climate and vegetation on their side, but what happens is diabetics die among the first because insulin needs refrigeration and there is none. Women again die in childbirth and the childhood diseases come back without vaccinations. Life quickly contracts from 60-70 years then to 30-40, and would contract further, if the scenario worsened.

There would be no mail, no electricity and heat or cooling, no gas for cars, and eventually no cars running at all. People would shoot each other over poaching in one's garden or crashing one's house to raid the pantry.

The prospects are horrendous, and people who shrug their shoulders because they want it all and they want it now will, after a domestic nuclear attack, become immediately extinct.

And as to Dems., I was a Dem. for 20 years and have been a Rep. for 20 years and still know huge numbers from the 'old' days, many now working for Hillary and hoping to get back in the White House so they can turn Am. into Sweden, their favorite country. I have no illusions about their dislike of Am., its institutions, its history, or their intent. Only want what's Const. Balogna.

Thinking the Unthinkable


Mr. May you are correct and you are not fear mongering. Terrorists of all flavors and their supporters are praying for the Democrats to win at all levels of government, come November. They are now keeping a low but active profile; planning for an event that will be worse that 9/11, no matter who is elected in November. They rightly assume that if it is a Democrat their chances of success are much better.


You all missed the most relevant point.
The intelligence community lost its most valuable asset when Humint was stripped out of the mix. Cell phone calls may originate in one country overseas, bounce to the USA, and terminate in a third country overseas. All the hoo-ha over "rights" by the Pelosi gang fails to recognize that these calls can only be trapped by patterning the reception. A law allowing such patterning is needed and could be generated if we didn't have such head in the sand pols in "leadership" positions. don't know why I bother posting here -- by the time I get here, all the ones who need to read it have touched down and taken off again.

Boutte
Using terms such as"twists his panties" doesn't convince me.

It appears to me the left worries about loss of freedom through phone tapping of terrorists while I fear my loss of freedom through legislation dictating the light bulbs I can use, the car I can drive,the words I can say. All the while I and others who think the same way are accused of "fear mongering" about the very real threats facing this country. Light bulbs and "bad words" are not the danger.

Salty Has It Wrong
"Assistant Attorney General for National Security Kenneth Wainstein candidly admitted....in response to a question at the meeting by David Kris, a former federal prosecutor and a FISA expert, Wainstein said FISA's current strictures did not cover strictly foreign wire and radio communications, even if acquired in the United States."

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/03/government-admits-wire tap-issue-not-telephone-calls

That admission means Chambliss, Hoekstra and,of course, Cliff May are wrong about the need for a warrant from a FISA judge. Cliff's angst over the fate of 3 captured US soldiers is meant to play the rubes.

Koolhand
Nice try linking to an article written by a leftwing partisan advocacy group housed in San Fran and funded by the Far Left Moonbats.

JPK Can't Read
It was a WaPo article. I could have linked to the FISA law but I'm sure you think that's a left wing moonbat site, although more likely, you wouldn't understand it.

There is no restriction on the NSA or the CIA or any other government snoop. Cliff May is completely wrong on several levels. The real story is that bureaucratic bumbling caused the 10 hour delay (which story has been around for 10 months ) and like I said, Cliff is playing rubes like you who see that the "lefties" or whatever you call them today, are hurting the GWOT.
So where is Osama,anyway? There's no restriction on tapping his phone.
Stupe.

renny at 12:21
I think the novel you are referring to was called "Alas Babylon" but in any event it was very chilling and moving. I suppose the debate and struggle between security and privacy will always be a hard tug of war. I am sorry folks and I like my privacy as much as anyone but when you're dead, you're dead. The rights of the Constitution only help you if you are breathing. It has to be done very carefully but when we are facing this type of enemy and this type of weapon I see no problem with certain eavesdropping and spying. To those posters above who don't believe a nuclear device could be made, delivered and detonated by terrorists, I have an ostrich I want to introduce you to. The two of you will get along great.

Fearing fear
Give me liberty or give me death.

Stop being such cowards. Have some guts. Whether it comes at the end of a British bayonet or from a nuclear explosion doesn't matter, the fundamental idea at the founding of this country was life without liberty isn't worth living. Use that calculation in your analysis of proposed 'security' measures.

If you have to, comfort yourself with the thought that no one makes it out of here alive anyway.

It's about amensty
Someone explain to me why, if the permanent extension of the Protect America Act is soooo critical in keeping Americans safe from future "terrorist" attacks why won't Bush sign an identicle, with the exception of retro-active immunity for tele-coms, bill offered by the House of Representatives? He can then call for a seperate measure to protect the tele-coms. Or he can whip out one of those top secret executive orders he is so fond of. But obviously Bush feels prorecting the tele-coms is more important than protecting American citizens....or he is lying about the dire necessity of continuing the Protect America Act. Which is it?
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