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Thursday, March 13, 2008
Cliff May :: Townhall.com Columnist
Two Americas
by Cliff May
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Al-Qaeda and other militant Islamist groups live in a shadow world where they plot to kill you and me. If we expect our intelligence professionals to prevent them from succeeding, we must give them the tools required to get the job done.

But in recent days, Democratic leaders in the House of Representatives have not been providing those tools. They’ve been taking them away. There are rank-and-file Democrats who think this is wrong – but in an election year few have been bold enough to dissent loudly or clearly.

It doesn’t take Jack Bauer to understand: One way to gather useful intelligence on terrorism is by interrogating captured terrorists. Torture is illegal – in all cases without exception. But short of torture are a variety of interrogation techniques that seek to elicit information by inflicting stress and duress; by rewarding cooperation and punishing defiance. Such techniques are aggressive and coercive, to be sure, but they do not necessarily “shock the conscience” -- the commonly agreed definition of torture.

Last week, President Bush was presented with a bill that would have prohibited the CIA from utilizing such methods even in cases involving unlawful combatants believed to have knowledge of imminent terrorist attacks. Instead, the bill would have restricted the CIA to the mild interrogation methods authorized for soldiers in the U.S. Army Field Manual – a document terrorists can access, read and utilize for training purposes.

Bush promptly vetoed the bill, saying it would outlaw techniques that have been used in the past to “prevent a number of attacks.” Among them: assaults against a Marine camp in Djibouti and a U.S. consulate in Pakistan, and plots to fly passenger airplanes into buildings in Los Angeles and London.

The President emphasized that his objection to the bill was “not over any particular interrogation technique; for instance, it is not over waterboarding, which is not part of the current CIA program,” and which the CIA itself banned in 2006 -- having acknowledged that it had used the technique rarely, but successfully; for example on Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the architect of the 9/11 attacks.

An attempt this week by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to overturn the President’s veto failed. But Pelosi has continued to block House members from voting on an additional measure – a compromise bill, passed by a bipartisan 68 to 29 majority in the Senate -- to restore to American intelligence agencies the authority they formerly had to monitor foreign terrorist suspects abroad without first demonstrating “probable cause” to a judge -- a difficult standard to meet since many of those planning terrorism have not yet committed any crime.

The bill also would protect telecommunications companies from being sued for billions of dollars by plaintiffs’ lawyers for the “crime” of having cooperated with American intelligence agencies in the aftermath of 9/11/01. The telecoms provided data that could be “mined” for clues of coming attacks.

Although quite a few Democrats in the House apparently would support this commonsense legislation, only a few have been willing to let Speaker Pelosi know, in no uncertain terms, that they want to be allowed to cast their votes.

It’s hard to avoid this conclusion: We are living in what John Edward might call two Americas. In one, are those who think we are fighting a war and better fight hard and well because our enemy is dangerous. In the other, are those who think the “war” against militant Islamism is a figment of the neo-conservative imagination -- hardly worth mentioning.

That’s no exaggeration. Check out the presidential candidates’ websites. On John McCain’s, under “Issues,” you’ll see “National Security,” with a subheading on “Fighting Against Violent Islamic Extremists and Terrorist Tactics,” and prominent mention of “the global war on terrorism” and “threats from rogue states like Iran and North Korea.”

Hillary Clinton’s web site, by contrast, lists 14 issues. Terrorism, national security, the war against Islamist terrorists and even foreign policy are conspicuously absent. Instead there is “Restoring America’s Standing in the World.”

Barack Obama’s web site shows 25 issues – but, again, national security and militant Islamism do not make the cut. Instead, in a section on “Foreign Policy,” he promises to close the terrorist detention facility in Guantanamo (he does not say where the terrorists now housed there would go), and “lead the world to combat the common threats of the 21st century: nuclear weapons and terrorism; climate change and poverty; genocide and disease.”

Obama does assert that he will “finish the fight against al-Qaeda.” He does not specify what weapons he will use to get that job done. Apparently, however, he doesn’t believe a robust intelligence gathering capability need be among them.

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Still waiting for answers
1. If the telecoms did (are doing?) nothing illegal why do they need retro-active immunity?

2. Why is protecting the telecom corporations money more important than protecting American's lives? (Based on the well publicized assertion that without approval of the Protect America Act (PAA) American civilians will be killed.)

And a couple oldies but a goodies.....

3. How was it possible that the identities of those supposedly responsible for the planning and execution of the attacks carried out on 9-11-01 were known within an hour of the attacks and the validity of which was NEVER questioned?

4. With our immense, high tech, well trained and varied means of national defense from the Air Force to the National Guard to the Secret Service and every other "defense" related department how is it possible that known hijacked passenger planes flew for over an hour without even being close to being intercepted?

matthew, you are disqualified...
matthew writes: Thursday, March, 13, 2008 9:55 PM
Oh please
Nobody hear believes that there is a terrorist under their bed.

This is just politics....

If they really thought the end was near...

Our military would have over a hundred million volunteers..
______________________________________________

matthew, you are a thweet, thilly, limpwrist, effeminate homosexual who like anal 'sex.' That disqualifies you from presenting your opinions on this sort of thing. Go back to your cottage with the white picket fence surrounded by Baptist neighbors who just love you and your man.

Rock:
Please Rock, you can't be that far under one! Undeclared war, violation of habeas corpus, sneek-n-peek NSLs, eavesdropping, usurpation of the rigth to self-defense are just some of a much longer list of violations. There is no part of the Bill of Rights that has not been abused.

You are wrong about the obligations of the government. It is not up to the government to defend us, it is only obligated to assist in organizing us to defend ourselves. The Constitution restricts the government, not us.

Rock, I believe you want to be patriotic, I believe you when you say you want to defend the Constitution, but it is obvious that you do not understand that document. If the federal government had not overstepped the bounds of its authority 9/11 would never have happened.

Negative
I don't wish for Americans to die, I spent my life doing my part defending America and its citizens, 19 of my fellow Air Force brothers were lost in Khobar towers, most of the civilians didn't care. I made me statement about another attack because I don't know what it would take for people like you to fight. The ablity to listen was there, true, do you know what kind of time lag there is to get a warrant? It can be 24-48 hours, you would have to have a crystal ball to know when the calls would be made, and the warrants aren't open ended. If they had been listening they may have heard something as to help them stop 9/11.

As to your question about the alarm, no I would go after the alarm company. The alarm is my defensive action, it functions to let me know about an intruder, it has done its job, my 357 is my offensive weapon, it evens the playing field or gives me an edge.

Wiretaps give an edge.

No POLMsgt
Allowing airplanes to fly around for hours is a bit more than..."if we could only have listened to their phone calls"

All we got was a WOOPS..sorry everyone...we were ALL sleeping on the job!

Besides the power to intercept conversations was already legal...with a warrant!

You already commented on how you wish someone dear to me would die in a terrorist attack...so that I would "change my mind".

Again, it is this thinking that allowed conspiracy theories to flourish....

"If we could only SCARE Americans, maybe if some die a horrible death, we can invade Iraq, Afghanistan, set up shop in Cuba, and start shredding the Constitution."

I don't believe in that mess....BUT you can certainly see where it starts. (You a military person...wishing for Americans to die)

Creepy stuff.

Matt
Find the names yourself, the only people I'm interested in is the murderers. The only intel they had from the Israelis was that something big was going down. There was no when, and how, not much to go on. We don't have closed society so it gets hard to do that. May be if they were allowed to intercept and listen in on phone calls from overseas going to persons of interest then you would have your names, butpeople like you don't want them to do that so why get mad at them if something does happen. I know there is a bit of a delicate balance that needs to be done and the answers aren't easy. But which way do you want it. If they can listen the chances increase the next one can be averted, if they can't it makes it harder to stop the next one. How do you want it?

Insight
Just how, exactly, has the government violated the rights of all the people?

I am as firm a believer in the Constitution as you will find, and the first and foremost duty of the government, as outlined in the Constitution, is to provide for the common defense. If they cannot do this, then all other rights are irrelevant.

And speak for yourself. I don't "quake with fear." I simply take terrorists at their word when they say they want to kill me. One only has to look at 9/11 to know that they mean it and would do it if given the opportunity.

Rock:
I'm sorry I had to leave the thread for so long. Let me answer your question on the off chance that you might be back on here again today.

When I speak of loyalty, I am not referring to a country defined by borders, or geologic features. America is a nation built on ideas. Ideas which true Americans find self-evident. You may be loyal to the government of the united states, but you, through your posts, are not demonstrating loyalty to the ideals upon which my country is built.

When it comes to our rights, no compromise is acceptable. The government has used your fear to violate the rights of all the people. I find this intolerable.

How can we ask our sons and daughters to defend this country at great personal risk, while we on the home front quake with fear, and rush to surrender the very rights American soldiers have died protecting. I have as much to lose as anyone if we are attacked again. The difference between people like me, and people like you, is that I am not afraid to stand fast behind the parapet that is our Constitution.

Yes a few thousand people have died. There may be more deaths before this is over, but none will have died in vain so long as Americans remain committed to the ideals that make this nation the greatest experiment in the history of mankind.

Sally Kern
Isn't that afraid of Al-Qaeda either. She thinks gay Americans are a bigger threat!

I personally think cellphones + lipstick + SUV = death and destruction for all!!! Worldwide totals...millions and counting!

PLOMsgt
So why did 9/11 happen? Who wasn't doing their job? The FBI? The CIA? The military? The Airlines? Give me a list of names of people who were FIRED to do incompetence....is there one?

If you spent billions of dollars buying a home-security system, and then a 20 year old (self-taught) burglar broke into your house with ease...and murdered your family in the process...would you or would you not be somewhat angry at the company that promised protection?
Would you then tell them, ok you can read my emails, listen my phone calls, and monitor my spending habits...whatever it takes to protect me (again!)

Why am I to believe that surrendering in fear to the same officials who seem to get everything wrong NEEDS more power? and more power...and more power.

Sorry I live in Los Angeles now..my odds of being a victim to a terrorist attack is 225,409 times greater than me being in a deadly car accident. Should we press for secret military auto-insurance tribunals as well?

Ridiculous.

Point of article..VOTE FOR McCain or you will DIE!

threats and risks
How many Americans have died in auto accidents the past 10 years? How many Americans have died at the hands of Islamic terrorists the past 10 years?

Do you think Iran is happier with oil at $22/barrel (January 22, 2001 or happier with the price of oil now?

Of course, some Islamic people are terror threats, I think we disagree with the means to annihilate them. We should have pursued Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell, instead of going for the oil 'prize' in Iraq.


Insighting whatever
What the hell are you talking about? What, in any of my posts would suggest that I'm not loyal to my country?

And for all of your high-minded, self-congratulatory pap about "rational thinking" and "irrational fear," there is nothing irrational about having a healthy concern about people who openly declare their intentions--to kill as many Americans as possible. They've already succeeded in killing thousands. How many more must die before the threat is "real" enough for you? Only when someone dear to you is one of them, I'm afraid.

All of you hysterical leftists bloviating about all the rights we've supposedly lost in this irrational war against a fictitious enemy will also be the first ones to blame GWB for not doing enough to prevent the next inevitable attack when it comes.

POLMsgt:
I never said there was no threat. The threat is not nearly as large as some would have us believe.

Washington's response to this "threat" is way out of proportion. I believe in a more reasoned and precise approach to the threat of terror.

Who are the real coward and terrorists?
George, Dick, Michael, Connie, and David are the real cowards and terrorists. Kill all of the muslims that you capture. There will not be any questions about torture. What the five degenerates above did after Katrina, Rita, and Wilma was a terrorist act against Americans, therefore America. Is the American military presence in Afghanistan really there for our safety or to safely smuggle heroin for the Republic of Texas? What is in the petroleum shipments from South America? Could it be cocaine? Are all the politicians who vote in favor of allowing hispanic and latinos to violate federal law getting paid by the Columbian cartel? Is that why Chaves says that George Bush Jr. is a devil? Why was Sean Penn down there? Was he making sure Hollywood gets the pure uncut version?
Hardheads want to know!

Insightingttruth
Let's just do nothing, it's all irrational, there is no Isalmic threat, it's all made up. Brigitte Gabriel, Nonie Darwish, Walid Shoebat, Georges Sada, the Caner Brothers, they couldn't possibly know what they are talking about, those of us that see a threat are just deluded. We'll stop and leave the defense of the country to the dhimmis such as yourself. Oh, my mistake, there is no need to defend, the peaceful and torlerant religion of Islam never hurt anyone. WTC, one and two, bombing of Khobar towers, the American embassies in Tanzania, and Nigeria, the Cole, these are just mild misunderstanding and probably America's fault anyway.

matthew:
The point is not whether politicians are going
to frame important issues in a way that helps
them politically - you can be sure that every
side will do that, always.

The real question is this: Is the US facing a
real and serious threat from global jihadism,
or is it nothing more than a hollow boogeyman,
as you imply?

To me, 3000 dead on American soil answers that
question more than adequately.

What would it take to convince YOU?

That is exactly...
...why people like you, Rock, should never be in charge of anything more important than a Starbucks. Where is your sense of loyalty to your country?

Zapdimwit & Lilly
"45 American citizens died from foreign terror attacks when Bill Clinton was President."

"Add this: Ronald Reagan was President from Jan 1981 to Jan 1980. The Marine Barracks in Beirut was bombed Oct 1983. That attack killed 241 American servicemen. On Reagan's watch."

And these are somehow arguments that we are not at risk? Again, there are millions of fanatics that have sworn our destruction, and they have been actively working toward that end for a long time, with varying degrees of success.

And while waterboarding shocks your delicate conscience, Lilly, I would waterboard every last one of them if it would prevent the slaughter of innocent Americans--even leftist clowns like you.

Being conservative...
...should not preclude rational thinking. Fear, however, is always the enemy of clear thinking. The abject fear of the Islamic bogeyman expressed in these threads is an embarrassment. Just as Americans are not made safer by being made defenseless, we are not made freer by being deprived of our natural rights. Like it or not, our government is using irrational fear of terrorists as a wedge to separate Americans from our birthright. Exactly how much of our freedoms must we surrender, before you phony, frightened "conservatives" will declare the WOT won?

Obama's Great Invention
Al Gore invented the internet and global warming. But it was the esteemed Senator Barack H. Obama, the man whose powerful penetrating presence causes ladies to swoon, who invented the ultimate weapon against terrorists.

That weapon has yet to be proven in war but if media mania proves prophetic and a Democrat is elected president, Obama's is certain to be the weapon of choice to protect America and Americans from terrorists.

Our intelligence agencies will be disarmed in the name of "civil rights". Our military will no longer be thought useful, at least not on foreign battlegrounds.

Welfare and entitlement handouts will soar, along with the level of taxation. Bread and circus tickets (chips and soaps) will prevail as senators and politicians preen and condescend when the cameras are there to utter words of gracious wisdom, the greatly improved politically correct elitist newspeak.

With this new weapon in our inventory no country or foe would dare oppose us. America need not fight anymore, it's peace in our time...

Yes, Americans should bow at the feet of Senator Barack H. Obama, the man who invented the mighty YESWECAN, the ultimate weapon - but safe only in the hands of a Democratic president.

Vote Democrat this seaon. The United Nations, foreign countries, and terrorists everywhere will smile upon us fondly...

http://mittromney.townhall.com

Matt and Zap
I was for 23 years, USAF Ret in 2005. I said that because there are people like you who act as if there is no Islamic threat. Again, google the names I previously posted.

Zap, I am well aware of where the cuts came from, I have said many times in other posts the cuts were done by Clinton and a complicent Congress. The buck stops with the President. He stated "I shrank the size of the federal government". What he neglected to say was 300,000 came out of the military. He is just as responsible.

I got an idea
Why don't we send those high price whores over to the middle east and sex them to their defeat. It seems to me that the problem with those terrorist is that they don't get enough sex.

POLMsgt - then why politicize national
security?....Why blame Bill Clinton and not the U.S. goverment for defense cuts in the 1990's
Too many conservatives say "Bill Clinton used the peace dividend to cut the defense budget" or "Clinton Administration defense cuts cut too much?" This nonsense. I mean, what was he, a dictator or something?
Guess who was Speaker of the House from 1994-2000. You got it, Newt Gingrich himself. Which must mean that the Republicans controlled congress.
Article I, section 8, says "The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes....to provide for the Common defense and general Welfare of the United States". Newt controlled the outlays for the Department of Defense while he was Speaker of the House. We Conservatives need to look at the problems of the past with eyes wide open in order to solve the problems of the future.
You might say those defense cuts came in 1993 and 1994 before the Republican Revolution, well, let’s take a look at Newt’s “Contract with America.”
His concerns in 1993 are spelled out below:
The National Security Restoration Act

An act to prevent U.S. troops from serving under United Nations command unless the president determines it is necessary for the purposes of national security, to cut US payments for UN peacekeeping operations, and to help establish guidelines for the voluntary integration of former Warsaw Pact nations into NATO.
Breathless stuff in our age of terrorism isn’t it? Stating that our troops should not serve under foreign command. Big deal, that has been our policy for 200 years. Cut payments for UN peacekeeping operations. Isn’t it our policy now to get the UN and NATO as neck deep as we are into the war on terror in the Middle East.
We conservatives should put the responsibility where the responsibility should really lay.

POLMsgt
Do you really think this way???

"maybe we will get attacked again, hopefully they will get someone close to you (I know its a terrble thing to say) may be that will wake you up"


Are you in the military? I hope not. (and you wonder why there are 9/11 conspiracies..)


POLMsgt - then why politicize national
security?....Why blame Bill Clinton and not the U.S. goverment for defense cuts in the 1990's
Too many conservatives say "Bill Clinton used the peace dividend to cut the defense budget" or "Clinton Administration defense cuts cut too much?" This nonsense. I mean, what was he, a dictator or something?
Guess who was Speaker of the House from 1994-2000. You got it, Newt Gingrich himself. Which must mean that the Republicans controlled congress.
Article I, section 8, says "The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes....to provide for the Common defense and general Welfare of the United States". Newt controlled the outlays for the Department of Defense while he was Speaker of the House. We Conservatives need to look at the problems of the past with eyes wide open in order to solve the problems of the future.
You might say those defense cuts came in 1993 and 1994 before the Republican Revolution, well, let’s take a look at Newt’s “Contract with America.”
His concerns in 1993 are spelled out below:
The National Security Restoration Act

An act to prevent U.S. troops from serving under United Nations command unless the president determines it is necessary for the purposes of national security, to cut US payments for UN peacekeeping operations, and to help establish guidelines for the voluntary integration of former Warsaw Pact nations into NATO.
Breathless stuff in our age of terrorism isn’t it? Stating that our troops should not serve under foreign command. Big deal, that has been our policy for 200 years. Cut payments for UN peacekeeping operations. Isn’t it our policy now to get the UN and NATO as neck deep as we are into the war on terror in the Middle East.
We conservatives should put the responsibility where the responsibility should really lay.

bullgod
the whole point of the article is:

Vote for Republicans and live.

Vote Democrat and die.

So yes, I remember 9/11...VERY clearly.

and it's sick that people exploit it for political gain.








Zap
I had my mind on the Branch Davidians? Did I really? You don't know where I was or what I was thinking. For your information, during that time I had recently come back from my second tour in Saudi Arabia for Operation Southern Watch. There were 19 of my Air Force brothers killed at Khobar. The General in charge at the time was BGen. Terry Schwalier, he saw a need for beefed up security, he didn't get it, the Clinton adminstration saw fit to punish him, and ruin his career. He was a scapegoat, he was later proven correct in his assessment.

During Somalia, the on scene commander requested armor twice, Gen. Powell, forwarded his request and was turned down twice by the Clinton administration, Blackhawk down was the result, then we turned tail, Bin Laden said he knew then we had no stomach for fighting. He has assessed you and Matt and others like you well. Frankly, if I had to go to war I'd go by myself before I took either of you. Just go like John Edwards said, the war is just a bumper sticker slogan.

As I pointed out before, I gave some names of people that would know well, because they have a greater background and understanding of the culture and religion than you do.

lilly
too many of the weak conservatives, here at Townhall, apply tough standards only to people they don't like.

And when they talk about small government and free markets it only applies to the people without political connections. Did you see that the U.S. government (under Republican leadership) is going to swap $200 billion of U.S treasury securities for a bunch of bank-owned junk, sub-prime mortgage paper that is worth pennies on the dollar. It's a wealth redistribution scheme from the middle-class to the rich. The taxpayer loses again.

Many so-called conservatives here at Townhall go by the motto, "small government for the dupes and HUGE government for those who want Republican government to work for them!"



zapdoodat
Add this: Ronald Reagan was President from Jan 1981 to Jan 1980. The Marine Barracks in Beirut was bombed Oct 1983. That attack killed 241 American servicemen. On Reagan's watch.

"Shocking the Conscience"
I get it: torture isn't torture if you call it something else. But whether you call it torture or miniature golf or lemon meringue pie, it still constitutes acts that, for some of us, "shock the conscience".

Recently I was reading a paperback novel that I picked up in some thrift shop for a quarter. No political intent, just something to read. The novel turned out to be set in Spain during the Inquisition. Officers of the Inquisition were into identifying secret Jews, since at that time and place being anything but Catholic was a serious no-no. So there they were, torturing a subject to get him to confess that he wasn't really a Christian. And do you know what they were doing to him? Waterboarding, described in detail. This novel was written in the early 1970's, something like '72 or '73. No way it was any sort of agenda or propaganda for our current situation. And the author had clearly done enough research to create some verisimilitude in her story. Today, in 2008, the President of the United States reserves his right to torture military prisoners using techniques perfected in the Spanish Inquisition. This doesn't shock you?

What renders the conscience unshockable is sadism. Speak for yourselves: some of us are shocked.

Rock Strongo
45 American citizens died from foreign terror attacks when Bill Clinton was President.

Too many so-called Conservatives, such as yourself, had their mind on the Branch Davidian Complex and Ruby Ridge during the 1990's. This small government approach to intelligence, trying to squash the FBI and CIA, ended up with 9-11. Be consistent, man!

Do you remember who was Speaker of the House for the last six years of the 20th century?

Yes, matthew:
It's all just politics - there's really no such
thing as a terrorist threat.

Bush made it all up so he could destroy your
civil rights.

9/11 never happened, nor did three decades of
murder precede it.

Idiot.

You're right about one thing though: The end is
not near. That's due to the ongoing efforts of
many, many better men than you or me.

But you just keep your head in the sand or
wherever you're keeping it. Those men will
continue to protect your undeserving rear.

Oh please
Nobody hear believes that there is a terrorist under their bed.

This is just politics....

If they really thought the end was near...

Our military would have over a hundred million volunteers..


Just becuase
we haven't be attacked again could possibly be becasue we have been spying on them. Since we decided to fight back this time it has rocked them back on their heels. 3000 dead may be meaningless to you, maybe we will get attacked again, hopefully they will get someone close to you (I know its a terrble thing to say) may be that will wake you up. We have been taking hits from them for 28 years what do you two towering pillars of knowledge suggest we do? Beg them not to bother us, pay them not to bother us or submit? Spend sometime, listen to Walid Shoebat a former palestian terrorist, Emir and Ergun Caner, tow brothers from Turkey, that know the culture and religion, Brigitte Gabrial and Lebanese woman who grew up during a Hezbollah attack on her village, sshe knows the culture and religion, check out Nonie Darwish, and Egyptian woman, who grew up under islamic law. Tell me these people don't know what they are talking about. Visit terrorismawareness.org get and education.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

Boutte-head
I doubt it has ever occurred to you that perhaps the reasons we haven't been attacked since 9/11 are the very intelligence-gathering tools you leftists want to deprive us of.

And while they may not be "good at it," there are plenty of fanatics plotting day and night ways to slaughter Americans, and they would gut your stupid a$$ like a fish if given the chance.

Moron.

soldiering on!
Speaking for all of us Conservatives, I believe we can soldier on in this 'War to End All Wars', so long as we get to hang onto our precious tax cuts.


Exactly right, Liberty Man:
Three thousand dead on our own soil apparently
made little impression on some of our "slower"
fellow citizens.

To them, global jihadism is just a clever trick
used by the Bush administration to steal our
civil rights.

Some even stoop to suggest that the gov't. was
itself responsible for the 9/11 attacks; a
fatuous notion unworthy of argument.

Oddly, many of the same people screeching about
"the politics of fear" are only too ready to
buy into the hysteria surrounding global
warming.

It's a strange world.

Boutte
Like the author says. There are those who understand the danger of Islamo-terrorism and want our government to perform it's Constitutionally mandated function of protecting us from it.

And then there are those who stick their heads in the sand and whine that "because they haven't killed any Americans lately" there is no threat.

Thank you for clarifying which camp you belong to.

I Hate Liberals
HMMM Let's See…Protect the Nation or get big campaign contributions from Trial Lawyers.

Once again the Democrats put their greed and power before the Nations Security needs.

Once again they want to demonstrate to the terrorist our surveillance techniques.

And after the Terrorist strike us again, they will send in Sandy Burglar or another one of their Lackeys to steal and destroy the evidence of their treason.

Then they will blame the republicans and line up behind their Trial Lawyer Masters for more donations.

I Hope Nancy Pelosi and the other Traitor Rat Bastards enjoy their ill gotten gains.

Feel Free to contact your Rep. and let them know how you feel.

Hillary Clinton’s Voice
I think listening to Hillary Clinton’s Voice is pretty torturous.

Can we outlaw that?

Obama and/or Clinton
Will finish The War On Terror by running away from it like The Cowards they are.

Obama and/or Clinton
Will finish The War On Terror by running away from it like The Cowards they are.
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