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Thursday, October 18, 2007
Cliff May :: Townhall.com Columnist
Al-Qaeda in Iraq on the Run
by Cliff May
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Al-Qaeda is on the horns of a dilemma. Last month, some 30 of its senior leaders in Iraq were killed or captured. Now, Osama bin Laden faces a tough decision: Send reinforcements to Iraq in an attempt to regain the initiative? That risks losing those combatants, too – and that could seriously diminish his global organization. But the alternative is equally unappealing: accept defeat in Iraq, the battlefield bin Laden has called central to the struggle al-Qaeda is waging against America and its allies.

Hard times for al-Qaeda should be good news for America but you wouldn’t know it from the reaction of the anti-war movement and their sympathizers in Congress and the elite media. Many have been unwilling even to acknowledge that U.S. forces are fighting al-Qaeda in Iraq. They claim we are merely refereeing a civil war and/or combating Iraqi “resistance” to American “occupation.”

CNN this week ran a special called “Meeting Resistance,” a documentary about what it called “ordinary Iraqis …taking up arms and fighting the Americans.” Earlier this month Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-VA) lamented that Congress had been unable to pass legislation to “change the mission away from deep involvement in Iraq’s civil war and toward a more narrow focus on fighting al-Qaeda.”

How startled CNN producers and the Senator must have been to see the front-page story this week in the Washington Post reporting that American troops have dealt “devastating and perhaps irreversible blows to al-Qaeda in Iraq.” If our forces have achieved this without it being their mission, and despite the “resistance” of “ordinary Iraqis,” they must be warriors unlike any the world has seen since Thermopylae.

Is it ignorance or partisanship that makes so many politicians and media moguls blind to what has been happening in Iraq over recent months? Do they really not understand the dramatic change in strategy implemented by Gen. David Petraeus, the new American commander in Iraq?

That key to that strategy, known as the “surge,” is not the number of troops deployed – though a minimum force size is necessary -- but rather how they are utilized. Col. Wayne W. Grigsby, Jr., who commands a “surge” brigade based in a mixed Sunni and Shia area near Baghdad, made it simple for me in a phone conversation this week: “We do not commute to work,” he said. “We live in the towns with the people we are here to help.”

That means providing them with security – gathering intelligence from them about where the terrorists are hiding, and then eliminating them, their safe havens, their bomb factories and their weapons caches. Do that and the bloodshed begins to subside.

“The Iraqi people are fed up with the violence and with the extremists, both Sunni and Shia,” Grigsby said. Far from “resisting” the American troops in their communities, “they want to join the fight and protect their neighborhoods. They are coming to us and saying, ‘How can we help? We don’t want to live like this.’”

Volunteers do not form sectarian militias. On the contrary, Grigbsy said, “they want to be recognized as legitimate members of the Iraqi security forces.”

American troops also facilitate economic and political development – something, they say, ordinary Iraqis sincerely desire. What about reconciliation? “I see signs of Sunni and Shia getting along,” the colonel answered. And there is, increasingly, “grass-roots governance. People aren’t waiting for the central government to act.”

Despite the fact that many more American troops are now deployed “outside the wire,” the number of soldiers killed in action is down 64 percent from May, the month before the “surge in numbers” reached full strength and the “surge of operations” began against al-Qaeda cells, Iranian-backed militias and other enemies of America and Iraq.

And now bin Laden has to choose: send his most capable lieutenants to try to reheat the insurgency in Iraq; or cede the battlefield to the Americans and the majority of Iraqis who have no interest either in blowing people up or embracing the al-Qaeda way of life.

The first course risks losing combatants who could otherwise be promoting al-Qaeda’s agenda in Hamburg or New Jersey. As for the second course, bin Laden has said that the “world war” raging in Iraq will end in “either victory and glory, or misery and humiliation.”

At this moment, al-Qaeda in Iraq seems likely to suffer the latter. Confronted by America’s adaptable, agile and courageous military forces, its only hope is divine intervention – and maybe the U.S. Congress.

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Wow
this article made my day - it's everything I've been praying for! I hope Congress will wake up & truly start supporting the military.

Once again...
The mainstream media fails the American people. The good news out of Iraq continues to go unreported and the American people continue to believe we are losing the war.

Ernie Pyle (the soldier's reporter) must be turning in his grave.

May Gen. Patreaus' shadow
never grow smaller.

History will vindicate those who stood firm, just as it did in World War II. If you read the Life Magazines for the first two years after the War ended, they sound just like Moveon.org wrote them.

My prayers are with our brave soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines and all who support and who wait at home for them.

Articulate
A thoughtful, articulate column. God bless our troops and the great duty they perform. Right is beginning to prevail. May a camel spit on Bin Laden's food. Le'Chaim.



The Drive-by Media is not interested in
victory in Iraq. They are interested only in the Bush adminstration's downfall. If Bush succeeds in Iraq,(and it looks like that is now possible) liberals will celebrate right along with those who actually sacrificed and did the actual fighting. They will claim they were responsible for the victory, and the Drive-by Media will cover the news in ways that make the liberals look like the real heros.

These despicable cowards are going to be voted into office in '08 and America will then face it's biggest test since the early formation of the United States. Will we remain a free market society with individual rights and freedoms, or will we be forced to defer our rights and freedoms to a powerful central government that stifles individual initiative and success.? Hillary/Putin in '08.

Dems., libs.,. and MSM
threw in their lot with defeat and failure in Iraq and are not easily going to be swayed from a position they have pinned their political and business success on.

Rockefeller must cause his Uncle Nelson to roll over in his grave daily.

Since Teddy Kennedy had an artery cleared, maybe his brain will get more oxugen, and he'll stop making rants that disturb the sleep of his brothers.

The whole Dem. pres. lineup is wedded to failure in Iraq. Just consider how many times a day their campaign staffs are now wetting their panties.

What could have been accomplished
Had the American people gotten behind the troops like they did in WWII this war would have been over in months. The moveon gang did everything they could to subvert the President and harm the war effort yet still our troops prevail. I think the libs bit off more than they could chew when they pulled the stunt condemning Turkey. The average American may believe the war was a mistake but they adhore seeing the troops stabbed in the back. This is one of those points in history where the President did the right thing despite what the popular attitude was.

So many lies
This is great news. Will the Bush league administration be pulling troops out before the election?

Roadkill58
"What could have been accomplished Had the American people gotten behind the troops like they did in WWII this war would have been over in months."

Which war? Are we in a war? I know the military is but no one else is not even the Bush Regime

"The average American may believe the war was a mistake but they adhore seeing the troops stabbed in the back."

And the troops very much were and are being stabbed in the back by Bush and the rightwingers. MoveOn has little to do with it.

"This is one of those points in history where the President did the right thing despite what the popular attitude was."

We will see what happens wnem Bush is in the Hague for crimes against humanity after he leaves office.

Will not matter
While I like to see progress in Iraq, It won't matter to the Dems in this country. You could find OBL in a cave with all of Saddam's WMD, and the unconditional surrender of all Al Qaeda in Iraq, and it would still be a..Oh just pick one: Boondoggle, quagmire, fiasco, tragedy, travesty, illegal, immoral, ignoble, imperialist, ill-advised, ill-conceived, mismanaged, misguided, the list is endless.

World peace could sprout from the rubble of Baghdad and the left would find a way to either minimize it, or take credit for it.

sometimes I just shake my head while suspending disbelief.

Libs. will claim they knew all
along that Iraq would be a success.

When the Berlin Wall fell in 1989, libs. took credit for knowing communism was bankrupt and the comm. countries were ripe for revolution.

But just 18 mons. before, as Reagan emplaced missiles in Germany, libs, had been screaming that Reagan was starting another arms race that the West and US could only lose.

Have you seen many commies brought to trial? No Nuremberg for the Stalins and Ho Chi Minhs of the world. The MSM looks the other way, claims it's old business, and walks off with Pulitzers and, heaven forefend, Nobels (there is none for journ. and just as well).

HD:
And the democrat effort to censure the current government in Turkey for a 100 year old travesty fits in the right-wing back-stabbing how?

Hal?
How exactly would Bush ever be at the Hague for crimes against humanity?

Please explain, I really want to hear this.

Military Lovin' Dogg
Why don't you give us your definition of success in Iraq?

Military Lovin' Dogg
Ok, And that is different than what the Bush Admin. has wanted from day one?

I mean we have the same goal, why not put the partisan politics aside and bring some suggestions to the table. You know something besides empty rhetoric and finger pointing. We'll even give the Dems all the credit for it. They will Co-op any victory anyway.

You know it's amazing
Is any wonder that the total failure of the Main Stream Media on this subject has cost the big 3 news organizations 30 million views leaving only 25 million. Given their total mishandling of the reporting on the events of the world why would it shock anybody that they've managed to lose over 50% of their viewers in the past year.

I suspect that the with the approval rating of Congress down to 11% we'll be seeing a shift given they aren't getting the job done and apparently the Republicans that are left seem to have seen the light and started behaving like Republicans again instead of Democrats with an expense account and taste for Chivas.

Dogg:
There you go again, not comprehending what May wrote: "Iraq, the battlefield bin Laden has called central to the struggle al-Qaeda is waging against America and its allies."

Battle plans chage as the enemy evolves a counter-strategy. What part of facts don't you understand?

Max Power in '08
I would love to hear you say that to Pelosi & Reid. We could use someone like you in the Whitehouse!

Max Power
Alas you are probably correct, I often wonder if we let the democrats have the white house and then just have a stranglehold on congress. A robust majority in both houses that could override veto's and filibuster any unsavory judicial nominations, at the same time the MSM would be happy and the rest of the world would think that we had come to our "senses"

Makes one sick to your stomach but hell might just work for a while, at least until we can get another Reagan style Republican

Lessons learned
I had a professor in college who had a framed poster in his office showing a man with his head open like a jar lid. A hand held a bag of "knowledge" and was pouring it into the head. Under it all, the inscription said "If it were only that easy!"

Some people think that transforming Iraq or any other nation so that it is a "stable, non-sectarian nation that supports American interests while also supporting democracy and freedom of religion and expression" ought to have been accomplished in a few months' time. If it were only that easy.

It took five years for the US to transform Japan and 10 years for us to transform Germany to functioning democracies. There are some who feel that if we were ever to leave Germany or Okinawa we would quickly find that these countries are not as democratic as we suppose. Changing a society's deeply held values is a hard thing. It's not "open the heads of the citizens and pour in an understanding and appreciation of voting and religious freedom and freedom of speech". For lessons to be learned, teaching must occur, but for teaching to occur, sometimes it takes time for learning to be possible. It sounds like the Iraqi people might be catching on. Does that mean it will be all hunky-dory in six months or a year? I doubt it. Does that mean that a functional democracy is impossible? No. It just means it's not that easy.

Unfortunately, we have a lot of people in our country who believe that it should be that easy. President Bush isn't Santa Claus. He can't bring us peace in our lifetime on Christmas morning. Men like General Petreas can, perhaps, bring it to us over the course of many Christmases, if we'll stop acting like two-year-old demanding he hurry up.

Auroawatcher:
Hear! Hear!

It took years for Japan, Germany,
S. Korea, but it worked.

And Japan and S. Korea became capitalist powerhouses.

A semi-democratic, mostly stable Iraq would be a dem. partner to Israel and Lebanon that are alone in the wildnerness of the MidEast. It would be a buffer against Iran's nuclear wet dreams and an example to Afghanistan that is struggling to maintain a central gov't among mt. ranges. It would offer Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan an example for moving away from dictatorship and absolute rule to more power sharing.

Fears that Iraq like Gaza would just elect radicals and promote terror seems unlikely. Prior to a kingdom, part of Iraq was linked to Persia and a colony of Britain. English is still a major language there. While a kingdom, Iraq was not a radical hotbed. It produced no Khomeni like Iran and in fact under Saddam fought a prolonged war against Iran to keep out religious extremism.

Iraq is a nation of 24,000,000 in an area twice the size of CA, that 150,000 US troops have been able to function there is a miracle, that they are now evidently succeeding in helping Iraqis help themselves deserves a 1000 Nobels, altho' they'll never get anything but krap from the elites and MSM.



MLDogg: Al-Qaeda & Iraq
Military Lovin' Dogg said:

"I guess the WaPo doesn't count as MSM. Of course what May conveniently forgets is that we didn't go to iraq to fight Al Queda, that Al Queda is not based out of iraq, that Al queda can easily regroup anywhere, that al queda is only in iraq because we're in iraq and that routing Al Queda out of iraq changes nothing in terms of American security - it was 19 guys with box cutters that caused all that damage on 9/11 - but let's blame the media and ignore the obvious failures of the iraq war policy!"

What you seem to be unaware of is Iraq's long connection with Al-Qaeda and involvement in terrorist activities. You should read the book "The Connection" by Stephen Hayes. He details the evidence showing Iraq's involvement with terrorist groups including Al-Qaeda, and Iraq's hostile actions against the USA ever since the first Gulf War. Some of the evidence is speculative and the author says so but most of the evidence is solid and there is a lot of it.

Many people seem ignorant, or perhaps have conveniently forgotten, that the main reason we went into Iraq was not WMDs. Plenty of countries have WMDs and we have no intentions of invading them. Some of these countries are our friends. The main reason we went into Iraq was because of their hostility towards us and their connection to terrorists. Iraq's WMD programs made this threat larger but Iraq was still a threat without them. Since we haven't found massive stockpiles of WMDs (although we have found some) the media and the anti-war crowd have tried to make this the issue and they forget or dismiss Iraq's terrorist connections.

Don't You Love It!
When PAID Liberal Trolls, Like Hal Donahue and Shaggy (MLD), can only scream that "good news" is really not good news.

If they really supported the troops, they would be saying that this was great. But they do not. They just keep trying to spin the same old lies.

Too bad (Ha! Ha!) that our soldiers didn't listen to these 2 morons. According to Hal and Shaggy, our soldiers should have left Iraq 2 years ago.

After this war is all over, and the US has won, where will this leave Hal and Shaggy? Hal will still be a "passed-over" bird and Shaggy will still be a "mutt".

Example of the misinformed
Hal Donahue wrote:

And the troops very much were and are being stabbed in the back by Bush and the rightwingers. MoveOn has little to do with it.

Your democrat friends are the ones who are doing the stabbing in the back.

Harry Ried said,"the serge has failed", Durbin compared our troops to the "Nazis, Pol Pot", Swift boat Kerry, "terrorizing children and women" are only examples of democrats undermining the war.


The definition of treason is to provide aid and comfort to the enemy. The only back stabbing I have seen is the treasonous conduct of the democrat party lead congress.

You are right, Moveon.org has little to do with it, they just spew the same treasonous bilge you and your democrat friend in congress do.


We are kicking the slats out from underneath the enemy and you can't stand it. Wait until we take out Iran's Nukes. The sheeking left is music to my ears.


Nutjobs posting here,
Liberal nutjobs! We know who you are. We're all watching our backs.

There is nothing left to say
Other than thank you George Bush and your military for making our world a safer place. Although, this will only bring us to the next fire fight probably Iran, a problem that needs to be addressed sooner rather than later. The battles we loose are right here at home, ever vigilant, we can't let that happen and we sure don't need a peacenik in office. Don't get me wrong War is idiotic but unfortunately the world has yet to figure a way to solve some kinds of problems without them. A time to remember all our fallen and disabled heroes and the sacrifice of their families. I hope that their families are being taken care of, I don’t know how you could know, but I suppose give the some support college funds or relief help. Time for maybe a big day of thanks to all that fight in our name living and dead. I know there is memorial day and veterans day but they seem like hollow holidays a reason to take a day off, the number of people that show up to support them is pitiful. So get out Veterans day and support our troops. I might even march this year in the Viet Nam section, which is pitiful, usually two guys one in a wheel chair, I should be ashamed not participating, and I am. Maybe this will be my big break through year as inspired by the best fighting force we have ever had, these people are unbelievable, do your self a favor read “Lone Survivor” but don’t expect your going to get away without shedding a tear, I don’t care how Marché you are.

As usual, my e-commerce for comments barrym@tds.net or visit my pitiful blog.

Hal writes:
"We will see what happens wnem Bush is in the Hague for crimes against humanity after he leaves office. "

Yeah, right after Clinton for incinerating 80 men, women, and children at Waco. How about war crimes for bombing the hell out Bosnia/Kosovo?

davidb writes:
"What you seem to be unaware of is Iraq's long connection with Al-Qaeda and involvement in terrorist activities. You should read the book "The Connection" by Stephen Hayes."

Nice effort dave, but you're trying to confuse those poor left wing wacko BUSH HATERS with facts. It hurts their tiny little brains you know!

The only solution left
I think for the libtards to win this war they are going to have to forgo communicating with Bin Laden by vcr tape and actually go to the cave and find out first hand what media, money and re-enforcements he now needs to beat their enemy.

Iagree...
just ignore Hal Donahue. He's a Soros troll and a fraud. Oh yeah, and a big puzzy.

Hey Hal, given that you're in so tight with fat @zz big ears John Murtha, you have no business talking about how bad any else is about "stabbing our troops in the back." When is your scumbag buddy gonna issue a sincere apology for slandering fellow US Marine Corps members? Oh, that's right- never.

And let's not forget about another of your wonderful party's shining lights- Dick (less) Dubin who compared US military personnel to the Khmer Rouge. Nice.

Clean up your own shite b/f you go running your keyboard about others you little bee-ach.

for Roadkill58
Roadkill58 claims: "Had the American people gotten behind the troops like they did in WWII this war would have been over in months."

FALSE.

The American people WERE supportive of the war, right through most of 2003. The Gallup Poll showed that 70% of the American people were supportive of the war, right up to the day that Saddam's statue fell in Baghdad.

But that didn't end the war, did it? Instead, the insurgency began immediately and grew and grew, despite American support for the war.

So what changed Americans into opposing the war? When David Kay told Congress in December 2003 that there were no WMD in Iraq after all. The war, and Bush's own approval rating, took an immediate 15 point hit by the beginning of January 2004, and it's been downhill ever since.

You have it backwards. Lack of public support didn't cause the insurgency to get worse. It was the worsening insurgency, with no end in sight, that caused the public to stop being supportive of the war. As well as the failure to find the WMD for which we had launched the war in the first place.


for Roadkill58: one more point
Roadkill58 claims: "Had the American people gotten behind the troops like they did in WWII this war would have been over in months."

How about Afghanistan?
The American people are still TOTALLY behind our mission in Afghanistan; even Nancy Pelosi wants to continue the fight there to get Osama bin Laden.

And yet the Afghanistan war has not "been over in months" either. After 6 years of fighting the Taliban and Al-Qaeda there, they haven't given up, their suicide-bombing attacks are increasing. At this rate, if it's not stopped, Afghanistan is going to degenerate into a mess just like Iraq within another year or two. The fact that we Americans are united on the need to get Osama and his key henchmen hasn't accelerated their demise by one day.

Because our enemies are FANATICS. They are not intimidated by American public support, or whether Democrats and Republicans agree or disagree.

Only American public opinion can be influenced by the events of a war. Muslim public opinion cannot be. They've been waging jihad for 1,400 years and they don't care whether infidels like them or hate them. They're accustomed to taking the long view--if it takes them another 300 years to defeat America, to them that's just a walk around the block.
Whereas to us, 300 years is our entire history.


Boots on the Ground
Boots on the ground, not stay the course. It took three years for Bush to get this. And, because it took those three years, the job of rebuilding the country will take far longer and be much harder.

It was a strategic failure. And it was that failure that cost Bush support.

Getting rid of Al Queida will not, however, put a secular state in place. The state that is in place is a sectarian state run by religious parties. In the south, they have increasingly implemented a fundamentalistic Islamic agenda. And the leadership of those creating this state includes Hakim and the SIC, one of Maliki's principal backers.

And, to date, they have done nothing to show us that they will change. Indeed, one begins to wonder if the Shia's, rather than using the breathing room to forge compromises with the Sunni's, aren't simply taking a respite - given that our actions have cemented Maliki in power for now. Not one announcement of value has transpired - which was, lets face it, the point of the surge.

Security, nevertheless, was always the first issue. To pretend, however, that the Shia leadership will not continue to ally w/Iran, given it's history with that country, is to ignore where their loyalties lie.

Victory will be security and a functioning state. This is the current goal. It does not include a secular state. That will not exist for generations.





Guess you have to have been there
I dont accept any input about the war on terror from the media. They no longer report facts they report their opinions based on who knows what.
Based on personal feedback from those that have been there more than once it appears that there is significant improvement.
Between the extreamists in the media and in congress its no wonder that the terrorists keep hanging in. They know if they hold out long enough the feckless in America will give up (plain and simple). We are in a fight for survival its amazing how so many dont understand that. Keep listening to the DBM and you, without a doubt, will become negative and pessimistic about most everything.

for Iagree
Iagree writes: "I mean we have the same goal, why not put the partisan politics aside and bring some suggestions to the table."

Sen. Biden has suggested a partition of Iraq. Bush had originally wanted Iraq to be a Model Muslim Democracy, a model for the entire Middle East. Well, we are close to having that--with Kurdistan, rather than with all of Iraq. They're more stable, peaceful and democratic than the rest of Iraq. And they're the most pro-American of the people there.

Why not let Kurdistan go her own way and stop trying to get the Sunni and the Shia to put aside their centuries-old differences? Especially since the Saudis and the Iranians keep fishing in those troubled waters, arming their respective sides?

Biden has a point: We can at least build on the success of Kurdistan and tout that to the world.

SteveL and Iagree
Re Bidens plan. Thats sort of like the Chinese saying we should partition the US into three countries. Take the North East, West Cost , and the rest and make them their own entities....... Hey maybe thats a good idea afterall !

Military Lovin' Dogg
You almost got it there rover. Stop licking your aft superstructure long enough to realize you are part of the problem. Some stuff just takes longer than others. Afraid we are cutting into the HEW budget? What kind of dogg are you anyway? I'd bet its one of those ankle biters.

Military Betraying Dogg
Larry Craig Republicans?
Aren't you Democrat Perverts just a little confused?

You are the perverts who procure children for pedophiles;
http://hollycrud.com/2006/10/nancy-girl-wants-old-gays-with -young.html

YOU are the party of NAMBLA;
http://americansfortruth.com/issues/the-agenda-glbtq-activi st-groups/national-glbq-activist-groups/national-glbtq-acti vist-groups/nambla/

You seem to be living in some LaLaLand far removed from reality.
http://www.usawakeup.org
http://www.usawakeup.org

Perhapps if people like you would just stop collaborating with al Qaeda the war would be easier.
America's enemy within is the greatest Ally al Qaeda has.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTI CLE_ID=44701

No Surprise
Al-Qaeda Cowards in Iraq on the Run and Liberal Cowards in America are on the Run. Military Loving Dogg is a member of both Cowardly Groups.

Oh Brother
This is just about priceless.

The drop in violence in Baghdad is do to population displacement.

Before the war, Baghdad had a 65 percent Sunni majority. It is now 75 percent Shi'a.

More than half of all Baghdad's neighborhoods are now Shi'a dominated as compared to a handful just a year ago.

Does that sound like a group of people pursuing Jeffersonian democracy to you?

SteveM
"Yeah, right after Clinton for incinerating 80 men, women, and children at Waco. How about war crimes for bombing the hell out Bosnia/Kosovo? "

Not for invading a country but for torturing to death over 30 people. The State Department admits that over 30 people died while being interrogated in Afghanistan. Amazing that the country survived foreign invasion (the Brits in 1812), Civil War, Two World Wars and cold war without EVER condoning and approving torture or mistreatment of torture. We are attacked by a rag tag bunch of criminal terrorists and we MUST approve torture? Oh if anyone doubts waterboarding is torture I will be happy to show you how it works,,,,

FrankC
Anything to verify your guestimations?

FrankC
Can you provide a link to verify your assertions?
Something like this?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/1 0/14/AR2007101401245.html

Source
An article by Lawrence Korb: Assistant Secretary of Defense for Ronald Reagan.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-korb/what-bush-and-p etraeus-wo_b_63796.html?load=1&page=3

Incidentally, its not a good sign when former Reagan administration officials are getting published in the Huffington Post.

FrankC
HuffingtonPost & MoveOn are not exactly reputable source here.
That is sort of like Hal citing his own article as authentication.
If that is the source of your fiction I can understand how you would be so confused.

You happen to be on a Republican site financed by the Heritage Foundation.

This is a live link.
Keep a copy.
http://www.mediaresearch.org/archive/cyber/welcome.asp

One day you will notice something missing from your Leftist news sources and become curious as to why you never hear anything unpleasant that would be good news to Republicans.
Common sense would tell any reasonable person that something good must happen for republicans sometime.
Make you curious?

What?
The article was not written by the Huffington Post. Lawrence Korb is no associated with the Huffington Post.

Lawrence Korb is the former Assistant Secretary of Defense for Ronald Reagan.

FrankC
These are short and easy to key in should you wish to subscribe to a real news source.

http://www.mrc.org
http://www.omedia.org
http://www.newsmax.com
http://www.cnsnews.com
http://www.worldnetdaily.com

What?
How is that a response to the fact that Lawrence Korb wrote the article.

I don't trust web sites including huffington post or townhall.

I trust authors.

want some more?
How about the source below, or is this no good either? I can give you several more. I can't believe your trying to dispute the assertion. The Bush Administration concedes it.

I only gave you the other link because I find it disturbing that former Reagan Administration officials are being printed in the Huffington Post.

"Petraeus presented a series of maps to show how sectarian violence had dropped in Baghdad from December 2006 to August 2007. But all of the maps showed the same color-coding for Sunni, Shiite and mixed neighborhoods, even though the ethnicity of many neighborhoods have shifted dramatically over the previous year. U.S. military officials say that Baghdad was once 65 percent Sunni and is now 75 percent Shiite."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/iraq/story/19610.html



FrankC
It is rather pathetic to see anyone who was once associated with Reagan in such dire straits that he has to write for the Huffington Post but regardless of the author, it is still published by an extreme Leftist Propaganda Arm.
ANYTHING at the Huffington site is suspect.

If it were TRUTH you would be able to support it from a reputable news source.
You can't even verify it with MSM!

The Huffington blog disagrees with Town Hall?
Gee what a shock!
If anyone here thinks Huffington has more credibility than TH they sould go to that blog.

FrankC
You can't believe I disbelieve your sources after I give you legitimate sources stating exactly the opposite?
See what the troops on the ground say.
http://www.veteransforfreedom.com/

--
I don't understand...I just gave you another source.

And I simply said that I don't trust web sites, I trust authors. I did not say huffington post has crediblity or that it is more credible than townhall.

--
You have given me no source that denies the fact that Baghdad was once 65 percent Sunni and is now 75 percent Shiite

FrankC
Would you please explain how the percentage of Shiite to Suni equates to America loosing the war with al Qaeda?

Weren't the Suni militias fighting our troops for awhile?

"May"be wrong!
"they must be warriors unlike any the world has seen since Thermopylae."

Or Lexington, or Concord, or Valley Forge, or Bull Run, or Shilo, or the Halls of Montazumz, or the Shores of Tripoli, or the Alamo, or Little Big Horn, or the Ardens, or Anzio, or Omaha, or Malaca Straights, or Marianas, or Guadal Canal, or Pork Chop Ridge, or Chosin, 0r Ka San, or Pearl, or Midway, or North Africa, or the North Sea..........

Opine
You can make an argument that my comment is not related to this guy’s article.

But I think it is.

I just don’t accept his premise. A number of Conservatives expected instability, civil war, and/or an illiberal authoritarian democracy or dictatorship to form there when we invaded. Any “dramatic change” regarding violence levels in Iraq is due to the fact that Sunnis Groups or Shiite groups have consolidated their positions in a given area.

Violence levels in Iraq have always been determined by the Sunnis and Shiites irregardless of our military. Foreign fighters can't operate in Iraq without Sunni toleration. And we have bribed the Sunnis with weapons so they don't feel the need to tolerate the foreign fighters at the moment.

But hey, if you want to limit the mission to using special forces to focus on Al Qaeda in Iraq, foreign fighters, whatever they are, we could get on the same page.

And if you want to claim that the violence in Iraq has gone down because we've beaten Al Qaeda in Iraq, declare victory, and get out of there, that is fine with me.

It would restore some of my faith in the Republican Party.

But Bush knows full well by now that a Shiite theocracy is going to form and ally itself with Iran. And these Shiites are not interested in Jeffersonian democracy. The Sunnis know this.

There's going to be a lot of things in Iraq that will be settled by the gun -- not by the vote.

It's going to be very bloody. He does not want that to happen on his watch. And he does not want to take responsibility for the fact that he didn't know much about the area before he went in there.

So I don't see Bush claiming victory over Al Qaeda in Iraq as long as he remains in office. If he does, he will need to find another scapegoat for why there is violence there.

Hal is desperate, knows the jig is up
Hal Donahue writes: Thursday, October, 18, 2007 2:01 PM
Roadkill58
"What could have been accomplished Had the American people gotten behind the troops like they did in WWII this war would have been over in months."

Which war? Are we in a war? I know the military is but no one else is not even the Bush Regime

"The average American may believe the war was a mistake but they adhore seeing the troops stabbed in the back."

And the troops very much were and are being stabbed in the back by Bush and the rightwingers. MoveOn has little to do with it.

"This is one of those points in history where the President did the right thing despite what the popular attitude was."

We will see what happens wnem Bush is in the Hague for crimes against humanity after he leaves office.
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Please, we all know that the above nonsense is based on desperation: They know EXACTLY what is happening and they are terribly afraid that they will be totally discredited, they are particularly afraid that it will happen before November 2008. Hal is the exponent of the lib/lefty who knows the jig is up on Iraq.
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