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Tuesday, July 07, 2009
Chuck Norris :: Townhall.com Columnist
A Carter Deja Vu?
by Chuck Norris
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As I gazed onto a parade route sprinkled with red, white and blue everything on July Fourth, I thought about what patriots past and present have sacrificed for our freedom. I also thought about the people in Iran fighting for "azadi," the Persian word for "freedom."

The White House has offered what amounts to diplomatic dribble in response to their plight for liberty. I'm not saying our president should send a militia to muscle the mullahs, but shouldn't he at least show stronger solidarity for the protesters? Isn't it time his actions superseded his rhetoric? Negotiating with extremists has never worked. Trying to reform them only morphs them into different monsters.

Is it just I, or are others experiencing a Carter deja vu?

Former President Jimmy Carter didn't do enough to support an Iranian popular revolt. His foreign policy was ridiculously idealistic. Carter believed that he could negotiate his way out of anything. He tried to pacify every party. Carter believed international thugs and terrorists could be swayed from extremism by our simply presenting them what he thought was a better way.

Carter is a major reason that we are in our Middle Eastern dilemma with Iran today because, while allegedly fighting for human rights, he set the stage for the rise of two of the worst human rights violators in history -- Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini and ultimately his modern successor, the current president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

As many recall, during the early 1970s, democratic-flavored reforms flourished in Iran because of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, from economic and educational reforms to increased rights for women, religious minorities, etc. And the Nixon and Ford administrations applauded and rewarded these reforms.

With Carter's induction as president and push for human rights in international affairs, the Shah of Iran's popularity declined because of accusations that he tortured thousands of prisoners. Carter demanded the shah release political prisoners, break up military trials, and permit free assemblies, among other requests -- all of which only fostered political and social unrest.

Carter's push for social reform in the name of human rights prompted the further uprising of extremists and anti-government rallies. And by the fall of 1977, anti-shah Shiite clergy and university students were conducting well-organized resistances. Carter's connection to and influence over the shah prompted this pro-Western leader's backlash in Iran and around the world. Even while visiting the White House in November 1977, the shah and his empress were met by thousands of protesters.

Instead of bringing further social reform to Iran, Carter fed the fire for a political revolution and the return of Ayatollah Khomeini, who was then a 78-year-old theological scholar and cleric who provided leadership to Shiites. Having spent more than 14 years in exile in Iraq, in 1978 he was kicked out of the country by none other than Saddam Hussein (a tension that would lead to the eight-year war between the countries, from 1980 to 1988).

Khomeini, however, would not return to Iran until the shah was disposed. And so, on Jan. 16, 1979, the shah left Iran on an "extended holiday," not to return. Two weeks later, Khomeini stepped back onto Iranian soil, with 6 million welcoming him and the full fanfare of even Western media.

In power, Khomeini reversed many of the shah's reforms and ushered in an era of Islamic extremism that would serve as a model and catalyst for future terrorist groups. Nine months after Khomeini came back to Iran, the U.S. Embassy in Tehran was taken over by extremists, and 52 Americans were held hostage for 444 days. (It is reported that among the extremists was none other than 23-year-old Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, though he personally denied it to Time magazine and others. Whatever the exact nature of his involvement, he eventually would become a Khomeini successor and the president of Iran -- he who denies the Holocaust, wants to wipe Israel off the map, and is in the process of building a nuclear arsenal.)

And who's to thank for Ahmadinejad's rise to power? Among the primary contributors is Jimmy Carter's "fight for human rights" with the shah and Iran.

Carter carried on a political policy that ultimately enabled dictatorial rule and disabled democratic resistance, and it appears our current president is, as well. When will we learn that soft talk and small sticks get you beat up on the playground of world affairs? That is why even Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently advised President Barack Obama to crank up his lukewarm lingo.

The recent civil unrest in Iran is a clear indicator that the people there are not happy with the present regime and their rule and oppression by severe Shariah law. I think what Iranians need is a new government in Tehran -- and not just Mir Hossein Mousavi versus Ahmadinejad. They need a regime change and an overthrow of the 1979 Islamic revolution. They need a truly representative form of government. But that is not what our president is going to fight for.

But then, what is he fighting for? One thing is for sure: We all will reap what he sows.

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Inconvenient FACTS always trump
and Inconvenient LIE! Right Gore-bots?

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!!

Rudolph the Red:
Against 1,121 grant-chasing weasels who support Algore the flaming bore we have 31 THOUSAND hard-working SCIENTISTS who labor in HARD SCIENCE who have signed letters to the UN and anyone else who may (HAH!!) listen. These letters assert that global warming is a TREND not a catastrophe.

GROW A BRAIN ALREADY YOU MINDLESS TROLL!!!!!!!!
USE that computer. Search "Medieval Warming", "Maunder Minimum" and "Little Ice Age". ALL these factors are independent of 20th Century human activity. The Little Ice Age ran four CENTURIES and ended in the 1850's LONG before air conditioning, electric power or SUVs.

SOLAR OUTPUT is the only determining factor and it is easing. We just had the coolest June in about 25-30 years in the NYC area. We are experiencing the coolest JULY in decades. That's why the fraud you worship went from Global Warming to "Climate Change". That way WHICHEVER way the weather trends he can blame Man and demand more limits on growth, prosperity and freedom from is 27 THOUSAND sq. Ft. house.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!!

Good nite
St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Location: LA
Reply # 18
Date: Jul 8, 2009 - 12:16 AM EST Jim
"Yet, it works"


Jim, even Obama has admitted that it will not reduce emissions.

It will work fine ... for those invested in it or firms that trade the credits.

Many people thought credit default swaps were working out fine, too, but we know that is not true.

>That is not cap-n-trade, that is only a fancy term to cover up a stocks true worth so that you can sell it to suckers.<

*********

I know what happened at Enron. My company lost a lot of money due to Enron's criminality.

Yet, Enron thought that Cap-n-Trade was a great idea. That fact alone should give you great pause.

>Enron's criminality had nothing to do with cap -n- trade ... these guys built a house of cards while they convinced the public to trust them. All the while dumping their stock as fast as they could before everything tumbled down.

While cap-n-trade has been proven in computer models and the real world. It has been used to successfully bring down emissions from power plants and reduce pollutants dumped into rivers from large manufatoring plants. It has been in use long before Enron was around and is still being used across the country today.

Well this has been fun but this is my Monday so I need to sleep before going into work tonite.

And sorry Chuck ... I know this was supposed to be about Carter ... but I didn't like or vote for him either!<

Say again?

debra
Location: NM
Reply # 172
Date: Jul 8, 2009 - 12:20 AM EST Jim ..... WHO WROTE THE BOOK?
The FACIST in PALOSI'S congress DID when they decided to WRONGLY DISCRIMINATE against millions of people with learning disorders.

BUSH didn't do THAT, OBAMA ... REID and PALOSI did.

SO as to Hypocrisy .....(which was the ENTIRE point of MY POST - while engaging in Personal ATTACKS is YOURS)....... LOOK in the MIRROR! Because there OBAMA ADMINISTRATION/ Facist are ....... and THERE YOU ARE!


>Sorry, not quite following you here ... you accuse the Democrats of cutting out the Republicans from any debate. I point out that DeLay did the same thing many times when he was in charge of the House.

And this is a personal attack on you and people with learning disorders ... did I miss a point of your argument somewhere along the way?<

Yet where does the fault lie?
St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Location: LA
Reply # 185
Date: Jul 8, 2009 - 5:05 AM EST Just In Case

The Natasha Richardson story does not come up...

"After she received a head injury at a Quebec ski resort, received the same kind of treatment anyone in Quebec would have received, and now she's dead at the age of 45 at least in part because Quebec didn't have something as basic as a medical helicopter system.

>Again ... is this the fault of the Canadian health system or the fact that the severity of her injuries did not show up until 7 hours later? Let's face it, how many people are going to demand a flight for life after having wiped out on the bunny hill? She was probably felt more embarassed then hurt at the time.<

Ratio
St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Location: LA
Reply # 183
Date: Jul 8, 2009 - 4:48 AM EST Jim - I
"57% of Canadians reported waiting 4 weeks or more to see a specialist; 24% of Canadians waited 4 hours or more in the emergency room."

>And I know a guy with cancer and no insurance who will probably never see a doctor.<

***************


Jim, it is not about money. There is a shortage of medical staff. In the US, there are ~800,000 doctors, with 250mn people that are insured. Now, you want to add another 50mn people. You will create an even greater disparity.

>Not really ... Canada has doctor to patient ratio of 470:1, little better then Mexico with 500:1. Even with the extra 50m, the US woulf still have a 375:1 ratio, I think the doctors could handle this.

Still, I find the idea of you just saying "tough luck" to 50m people a little disconcerting. Are they not all former fetus's to?<


Just In Case

The Natasha Richardson story does not come up...

"After she received a head injury at a Quebec ski resort, received the same kind of treatment anyone in Quebec would have received, and now she's dead at the age of 45 at least in part because Quebec didn't have something as basic as a medical helicopter system.

Dr. Franklin points out that Canadian health care bureaucrats have to ration care and don't authorize the purchase of much of the technology that is commonplace in the U.S.:

What would have happened at a US ski resort? It obviously depends on the location and facts, but according to a colleague who has worked at two major Colorado ski resorts, the same distance from Denver as Mt. Tremblant is from Montreal, things would likely have proceeded differently.

Assuming Richardson initially declined medical care here as well, once she did present to caregivers that she was suffering from a possible head trauma, she would've been immediately transported by air, weather permitting, and arrived in Denver in less than an hour.

If this weren't possible, in both resorts she would've been seen within 15 minutes at a local facility with CT scanning and someone who could perform temporary drainage until transfer to a neurosurgeon was possible."


Jim - II
Obama has admitted that he wants a health board to make decisions, as to who gets what treatment. Congress has pretty such agreed that a "single payer" system. The "public option" may not have enough support in the Senate. And, it has admitted that not all people will be covered in a "fair" amount or will lack coverage anyway.

Bernie Sanders has said insurance companies should feel threatened.

Thus, I will be paying for the public system (whichever one they elect) through higher taxes, and either be forced out of my private insurance (if it goes out of business) or will be paying for my private insurance (if it remains in existence). Why is it fair that I will pay and still have to be part of the Federal plan because the hospitals and medical staff will also be affected by the Government's intrusion?

Remember that Federal politicians will be exempt from ObamaCare. If the drafters and supporters of the plan will not be forced into the system, then why should I be?

Jim - I
"57% of Canadians reported waiting 4 weeks or more to see a specialist; 24% of Canadians waited 4 hours or more in the emergency room."

http://kevincolby.com/2008/06/27/the-canadian-healthcare-sy stem-and-its-problems/

Did CanadaCare Contribute To The Death Of Natasha Richardson

http://spectator.org/blog/2009/03/26/yes-canadian-health-ca re-helpe


15 Different Systems Within Canadian Universal Health Care System

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/how-does-canad as-health-system-actually-work/

"Sicko" Lies About The Cuban, French, and Canadian Health Care Systems

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jesse-larner/michael-moore-an d-nationa_b_59479.html



Jim, it is not about money. There is a shortage of medical staff. In the US, there are ~800,000 doctors, with 250mn people that are insured. Now, you want to add another 50mn people. You will create an even greater disparity.


Interesting
St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Location: LA
Reply # 2
Date: Jul 8, 2009 - 2:00 AM EST Dangers Of CanadaCare
Waiting time in Canada

http://www.slate.com/discuss/forums/thread/2615339.aspx

Overburdened Canadian Government & Overworked Hospital Staff

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2 322922

>So you are saying that the wait times are not a product of their healthcare system so much as as "experts" looking at the bottom line? Kind of like the "experts" at Best Buy who figured they could save money by firing the expensive guys with the most experience and replace them with less knowledgable but cheaper labor. Do you recall how that worked out for them Denise?

So this article isn't as much an indictment of the Canadian healthcare ... just an unexpected consequence of a stupid decision! A consequence that should change in the next few years as these new doctors and nurses come back on line.<



***************

(Did CanadaCare Contribute To The Death Of Natasha Richardson


Resources For Some, Some Of The Time)

>Neither page would come up for me<


That is your plan?
OncealwaysaMarine
Location: IL
Reply # 2
Date: Jul 8, 2009 - 1:09 AM EST And the Republican Plan Is 5

All Republicans need to do is to remain true to those conservative principles that transcend politics and political parties, and make a direct appeal to the conscience of the majority of Americans that have never lost their yearning for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness…...............


The only plan the Republicans need consider is the one that best serves what is moral and decent in the heart of man and the heart of a nation, sticking to the principles that recognize that capitalism (not socialism)inspires innovation; that the private sector creates wealth and opportunity (not bigger government); and to instill that same respect in their children.

The rest will take care of itself.

>"The rest will take care of itself" that is your plan? All good and well Marine but if pep talk is all we needed, then the former President and cheerleader would be the most popular instead of the least. While Obama the Democrats and Republicans would not be arguing about the best way to get us out of this economic mess. In fact I am betting that Obama would still be the Senator from Illinois and the Democrats would resemble the Republican party of today ... trying to figure out how to get back in power.<

Dangers Of CanadaCare
Waiting time in Canada

http://www.slate.com/discuss/forums/thread/2615339.aspx

Overburdened Canadian Government & Overworked Hospital Staff

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2 322922

Did CanadaCare Contribute To The Death Of Natasha Richardson

http://spectator.org/blog/2009/03/26/yes-canadian-health-ca re-helpe" target="_blank">http://spectator.org/blog/2009/03/26/yes-canadian-health-ca re-helpe

Resources For Some, Some Of The Time

http://spectator.org/blog/2009/03/26/yes-canadian-health-ca re-helpe" target="_blank">http://spectator.org/blog/2009/03/26/yes-canadian-health-ca re-helpe

The question is
St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Location: LA
Reply # 27
Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 9:27 PM EST Jim
If you want care in Canada, the UK or France, go there.

Socialized medicine means rationing, delay and denial.

>Still. my question is ... are they demanding a change to an American type system?<

***********

My sister, her French husband, and family either seek private care or come here.

>Like I said, I have no problem with that, if you can afford it. I know that Steve Jobs getting a new liver was more than knowing what state to register in.<

*******

If you are poor, there are free public health clinics and the emergency room. The poor do not have to wait here.

>And how many have we seen dying on video while in the waiting room? How many times have we heard of hospitals loading a patient into a taxi and being dropped off in skid row?<


And the Republican Plan Is 5

All Republicans need to do is to remain true to those conservative principles that transcend politics and political parties, and make a direct appeal to the conscience of the majority of Americans that have never lost their yearning for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness…

These are not “rights” or principles given to us by any politician; they are God-given rights we aspire to; and are the concepts unique to the Christian inspired founding of our Republic.
Citizens must take the lead in teaching each other, and their own children, what values are important to success.

Unlike most of the sycophants and empty souls who align themselves with and look to the leadership of empty vapid politicians (mostly "liberals") to validate themselves, we who believe in the moral agency of the soul and the Holy Spirit, don’t follow Republicans.

They must follow the lead of the people.

Those who call themselves liberals and Democrats are geared towards following. Those who hold conservative values lead their lives in the full confidence that only comes from a faith in a higher power that is manifested from within.

The only plan the Republicans need consider is the one that best serves what is moral and decent in the heart of man and the heart of a nation, sticking to the principles that recognize that capitalism (not socialism)inspires innovation; that the private sector creates wealth and opportunity (not bigger government); and to instill that same respect in their children.

The rest will take care of itself.

And the Republican Plan Is 4

There needs not be a “Republican” plan, per se, except for those who call themselves Republican leaders (or candidates) to simply display that they remain committed to the values that made America the greatest beacon of individual liberty, opportunity, and freedom the world has ever known.

If they are able to articulate an understanding of the power that upholding the will of God in our lives and relationships has in creating the sense that each man is responsible for contributing not only to the elevation of his own soul, but also to the soul of his nation and its collective well-being, the American people will respond to them as they have to other truly great leaders in our nation’s past.

If people will have learned anything after this debacle of a Presidency under this uniquely secular relativist administration which will finally epitomize the moral bankruptcy of secular liberalism gone wild, is that a nation without spiritual values and a strong moral compass is a nation adrift.

There is no plan which can be understood by or which will sway liberals who are as shallow as to be swayed by the latest version of “celebrity” worship, a willingness to align itself with any type of degrading lifestyle, and to support the pretense of moral relativism.

Republicans don’t need to “plan” in the way Democrats do: all smoke and mirrors to fool people into thinking they are something they are not to trick them into voting for them whilst having a secret and more nefarious agenda which is only designed to, in reality, serve to separate them from their freedoms, money, property, and liberty.

And the Republican Plan Is 3

The renunciation of faith, the bringing of homosexuality out of the closet and into the curriculum, while conversely, removing God and The Ten Commandments from the schoolhouses and public squares of this country, has brought with it the natural consequence of “Conceptual Moral Chaos” and “The Loss of Truth” in our society’s youth.

Are we living in a moral Stone Age?

Yes, but we did not arrive at this sad state of affairs entirely by accident.

Mostly, it is the result of the radically liberal and secularized views disseminated by the majority of those now occupying positions of authority in our schools, churches, courts and political offices.

Sadly, our students are living in the moral Stone Age many present-day parents, educators, entertainers, and policy makers have led them to embrace.

And the Republican Plan Is 2

On several occasions I have witnessed the compassionate expression of sympathy demonstrated, for instance, in the friend of a bereaved alcoholic or crack addict supplying his or her bereaved friend with alcohol or illegal drugs as a gesture of compassion and sympathy. In these cases there definitely exists compassion and a desire to help, but where is the morality in such actions?

In other cases, compassion and the desire to help do not necessarily produce any action on the part of the compassionate sympathizer. The compassionate individual says: “Oh, I feel so sorry for Joe. I wish there was something I could do!” For many in today’s society, this kind of sentiment alone gives them a sense of moral complacency.

I believe some insight may be found in an earlier passage from Professor Sommers’ article:

“Most of the students I meet are basically decent individuals. They form wonderful friendships and seem to be considerate of and grateful to their parents—more so than the baby-boomers were. In many ways they are more likable than the baby-boomers—they are less fascinated with themselves and more able to laugh at their faults.”


Many of today’s morally challenged youth are the progeny of morally deficient baby-boomers; a generation which in itself, it can be argued, was spoiled into a perverted sense of superiority, brashness, egotism, and pomposity and who continue to show a disdain for the institutions and principles upon which this nation was built . Combine these attributes with a 1970’s era disrespect for governmental, and subsequently parental, authority, due to the unpopularity of the Viet Nam war and the advent of a “If it feels good, do it” philosophy and one will begin to understand how and why American society has come to embrace a “moral Stone Age”.

And the Republican Plan Is 2

On several occasions I have witnessed the compassionate expression of sympathy demonstrated, for instance, in the friend of a bereaved alcoholic or crack addict supplying his or her bereaved friend with alcohol or illegal drugs as a gesture of compassion and sympathy.

In these cases there definitely exists compassion and a desire to help, but where is the morality in such actions?

In other cases, compassion and the desire to help do not necessarily produce any action on the part of the compassionate sympathizer.

The compassionate individual says: “Oh, I feel so sorry for Joe. I wish there was something I could do!” For many in today’s society, this kind of sentiment alone gives them a sense of moral complacency.

I believe some insight may be found in an earlier passage from Professor Sommers’ article:

“Most of the students I meet are basically decent individuals. They form wonderful friendships and seem to be considerate of and grateful to their parents—more so than the baby-boomers were. In many ways they are more likable than the baby-boomers—they are less fascinated with themselves and more able to laugh at their faults.”

Many of today’s morally challenged youth are the progeny of morally deficient baby-boomers; a generation which in itself, it can be argued, was spoiled into a perverted sense of superiority, brashness, egotism, and pomposity and who continue to show a disdain for the institutions and principles upon which this nation was built .

Combine these attributes with a 1970’s era disrespect for governmental, and subsequently parental, authority, due to the unpopularity of the Viet Nam war and the advent of a “If it feels good, do it” philosophy and one will begin to understand how and why American society has come to embrace a “moral Stone Age”.

And the Republican Plan Is 1

Jim Location: CO
Reply # 13
Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 11:35 PM EST
And the Republican plan is?
________________________________________________

In answering the challenge laid down to me by Jim of CO, I am stirred into responding by referring to an article written in 1998 by Christina Hoff Sommers, Professor of Philosophy, Clark University: Are We Living in a Moral Stone Age?

Written from the perspective of one who is charged to educate our nation’s youth, she seems to be deeply concerned with the evident deficiency of moral sensibility exhibited by a large number of them.

Professor Sommers’ description of these young people as morally confused is troubling.

“This is a generation of kids that, despite relatively little moral guidance or religious training, is putting compassion into practice. Conceptually and culturally, however, today’s young people live in a moral haze. Ask one of them if there are such things as “right” and “wrong,” and suddenly you are confronted with a confused, tongue-tied, nervous, and insecure individual.”

I am struck by the fact that the professor recognizes a deficit of moral or religious training in today’s youth, while at the same time having identified no apparent lack of compassion.

Compassion is defined in the Encarta Dictionary: English (North America) as: “sympathy for the suffering of others, often including a desire to help”. Compassion and sympathy, even when inciting one into taking measures intended to ameliorate the suffering of others, may be expressed with little consideration for moral correctness.

Jim ..... WHO WROTE THE BOOK?
The FACIST in PALOSI'S congress DID when they decided to WRONGLY DISCRIMINATE against millions of people with learning disorders.

BUSH didn't do THAT, OBAMA ... REID and PALOSI did.

SO as to Hypocrisy .....(which was the ENTIRE point of MY POST - while engaging in Personal ATTACKS is YOURS)....... LOOK in the MIRROR! Because there OBAMA ADMINISTRATION/ Facist are ....... and THERE YOU ARE!

Jim
"Yet, it works"


Jim, even Obama has admitted that it will not reduce emissions.

It will work fine ... for those invested in it or firms that trade the credits.

Many people thought credit default swaps were working out fine, too, but we know that is not true.

I know what happened at Enron. My company lost a lot of money due to Enron's criminality.

Yet, Enron thought that Cap-n-Trade was a great idea. That fact alone should give you great pause.

Yet it works
St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Location: LA
Reply # 6
Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 11:39 PM EST Jim
Congress never seems to do anything without triggering unforseen consequences. Take the Goreligionists, who want to impose Cap-n-Trade. Even Paul Krugman has said that there will be no net increase in jobs. Obama has admitted that there will not be a decrease in emissions. All there will be is an enormous tax on small businesses and individuals.

Focus on the trade aspect of the title. The bill would create a market to trade carbon credits. The usual suspects like Goldman-Sachs and General Electric have set up "green" divisions.

Do you know was the first corporation to support Cap-n-Trade? ENRON. Talk about "exotic financial instruments." If you hated credit default swaps, you will detest cap-n-trade.

John McCain believes in this crap.

>And yet it works ... the clean air act of 1990 under President Bush I believe has so far reduced SO2 emissions in 2007 by 50% from 1980 levels thru the use of emissions trading.

Besides ENRONS problems has nothing to do with cap-n-trade ... I believe theirs was a series of accounting errors!<

Your Congress On Michael Jackson.
"Apparently so many House staffers are watching the MJ memorial on their computers that...

The Committee on House Administration's House Technology Director sent out the following email message to House staffers:...

"Just as an fyi the internet is slow as a result of the MJ Memorial Service. A notice will soon be posted on Housenet."

Another staffer tells Shenan that everyone in Cannon is watching the memorial. "All the offices have closed their doors" and "literally the halls are empty." Plus, there was a sighting of a teary-eyed intern. "Thank God we have late votes today," added the staffer, "I would body-check anyone who tried to change the channel to CSPAN right now."

Rudolf

I'm sorry, but people like Gore have become so personally and financially invested in clean energy, that they call people terrorists, if they disagree.

Several of the environmentalists that Gore based his ideology on have retracted or revised their opinions.

Do you know that Nancy Pelosi owns stock in a green energy company along with T. Boone Pickens?


Al Gore will go to his grave before he revises his opinion, especially since he put $2mn in, is worth ~$100mn, and many investment analysts claim he will be worth a $1bn based on green energy alone.

I'm sorry, but when the baseball players have bet on the game, you get a Pete Rose.

Palin
St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Location: LA
Reply # 153
Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 10:35 PM EST

Finally, I have never questioned, who was Trig's mother.

>I never really cared about that but I still wonder what the McCain campe was thinking. On paper Palin seemed like a game changer that would galvanize all the conservatives behind McCain. But after reading some of the complaints by his staffers in Vanity Fair, it is obvious that someone was asleep at the wheel. I find it hard to believe that anyone could make it to the governor of any state while seeming to be so clueless?<

Donald.
What else is new? One psychopath leaves and the next psychopaths come(s) in. It is only when the new psychopaths are anti-American that we care.

"American Idol" Worshippers...Fools 2
The elitist MSM has become the National Inquirer. They and the political class they serve (Liberal Fascist Democrats) have learned the power that exploiting the ignorance of serious thought given by idol worshippers to the real issues that affect their lives.

This idiotic orgy and media circus that is being witnessed right now, concerning the elevation of Michael Jackson (a child-molester/drug-addicted tragedy of the destructiveness of misplaced adulation) is further evidence of the willingly participated-in debasing of the American mentality, and fits in with the rest of the liberal agenda which thrives on those who have lost all sense of a moral compass and a connection with healthy spirituality.

The elevation of debauchery and the interest shown by the idiots who gain some type of voyeuristic pleasure in peeping into the scurrilous and scandalous lives of "stars" gives them the power to further lull the "public" to sleep; and to further facilitate, thereby, their paying less attention to the foot, they and their political masters, are firmly planting up the American public's collective butts.

...but...don't let that stop you from enjoying the freak show.

Denise.
Global warming is not a religion , it is based on science, such as opposed to the fairy tales in the Bible.

Finished 54
"Yes, Rick . . .
the Shah was a 20th century Western despot without nuclear weapons. Unfortunately, Iran is now ruled by 6th century Islamic despots bent on jihad via nuclear weapons . . . hardly an improvement."

As far as I am concerned, it was an improvement if you compare him to the "President" that resides in Iran, now!

Jim
Congress never seems to do anything without triggering unforseen consequences. Take the Goreligionists, who want to impose Cap-n-Trade. Even Paul Krugman has said that there will be no net increase in jobs. Obama has admitted that there will not be a decrease in emissions. All there will be is an enormous tax on small businesses and individuals.

Focus on the trade aspect of the title. The bill would create a market to trade carbon credits. The usual suspects like Goldman-Sachs and General Electric have set up "green" divisions.

Do you know was the first corporation to support Cap-n-Trade? ENRON. Talk about "exotic financial instruments." If you hated credit default swaps, you will detest cap-n-trade.

John McCain believes in this crap.

"American Idol" Worshippers...Fools 1

Jimi Hendrix, Frank Sinatra, Luciano Pavoratti, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Louis Armstrong, Sammy Davis, Jr., Johnny Cash, Elvis Presley...NO artist has ever gotten this much coverage. We've had Presidents die and not receive the kind of coverage that is being given to Michael Jackson. Why?

Because the Mainstream media has identified that we have become a society without a moral compass, completely engaged in pleasure-seeking and escapism through idol worship. This could not have been exemplified better than in an election in which the candidate that could elicit the most fantastical reactions based on an appearance of celebrity and "cuteness" could be given the right to sit at the head of the table, even though he is completely devoid of the character such a position requires to serve it's best interest, and despite all the evidence of his disdain for all it's principles and legacies.

Not only was a studied and committed Marxist and anti-American exceptionalist like Barack Hussein Obama ( who describes the Constitution he perjured himself in swearing to uphold, as “fundamentally flawed”) elected simply and solely because he was perceived by those who voted for him as some type of "star celebrity"---but this is the same ilk who would vote for a "wrestler" for the Governor of a state, and an, arguably, insane and proven liar and fraud of a comedian, totally devoid of either character or intellect, to serve as their representative in the U.S. Senate; solely because of his "TV stardom!"

And the Republican plan is?
OncealwaysaMarine
Location: IL
Reply # 4
Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 10:41 PM EST The Worst Kind of Lynch Mob

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 33% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-six percent (36%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of –3. Those figures reflect the highest level of strong disapproval measured to date and the lowest level recorded for the overall Approval Index.


>And this gets you what? It is a daily snapshot of Obama's Presidency, it means nothing more than Bush's 90% approval after 9/11 did. What counts is how the economy is doing in Nov 2010. If it is still tanking, you will have a chance to replace some of the Democrats in Congress. But is that your main hope ... that things get so bad that the voters will turn back to the Republicans for salvation? And if they do take over Congress ... what master plan besides NO do they have up their sleeve?<

Pahlevi the democrat.
Wow, it's been a while since I've had such a good laugh.

McCain couldn't have done any worse
St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Location: LA
Reply # 4
Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 10:35 PM EST Jim

There are many of Bush's actions with which I disagree.

I was against going into Iraq, but want to win there. I would have carpetbombed Tora Bora and never endangered an American troop. I said "No" on his spending, bailouts, stimulus, AIG and TARP.

The fact that McCain was the MSM's favorite Republican in 2000 was enough of a reason for me to dislike him.

>But, if McCain had been President ... is that not how he would have handled Afghanistan? He would have sealed the border of Afghanistan while carpet bombing Tora Bora to dust. We'll never know but I would like to think that the Taliban and OBL would all be distant memories by now ... instead of still present threats.<


*********

"Basically, you could put a gray wig on me since I am very much like the original "Party of No" - the Founding Fathers."

>And you think that we Libs like the idea of bailing out big business and mortgaging our childrens future? Big business comes in and spreads the money around and tells Congress, gee we've learned our lesson. We won't make the same mistakes that led to the 29 crash, the S&L debacle and the junk bond fiasco.

Take these chains off like Glass-Steagall and those intrusive audits says Wall St and we will make a ton of money and still hold to our principals.

Yea ... that really worked!<

*******


Finally, I have never questioned, who was Trig's mother.

Jim

Yes, Jimi Hendrix, The Doors, Led Zepplin, Deep Purple, Yes, Boston, Aerosmith, etc. You name it. I also love Dave Matthews.


A big part of the trials like OJ is that they are televised. Even Jugde Ito acted like he was on a sitcom. Of course, trials must be opened to the public, but not given wall-to-wall coverage.

I know that not all jurors keep their oaths. There are too many jurors, who get bounced because they discusssed the evidence or researched for evidence outside of the courtroom. The publicity of televised trials tends to lead to more jurors being removed.

Led Zepplin
St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Location: LA
Reply # 2
Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 10:28 PM EST Jim, CO

Yes, Jim, I love 60s music. I remember where I was when John Bonham of Led Zepplin died.

>Used to have all their albums ... met my first wife at a Led Zepplin concert in 1977, guess you have to have a little bad with the good.<

*********

"With regard to children, their welfare trumps a parent's religious beliefs.

I can see the slippery slope, but a child's life is more important.

If the 14th Amendment really means "equal protection", why should a man get off on a rape charge because of his religious views."

>Which is why I an ambivalent about the idea, I see your points about child brides and holding back medicines on strictly religious grounds. But it can also lead to encroaching on religious freedoms that should not be touched.<

************


Seriously, there is a conflict that exists between the Constitution and reality. Take the OJ case. I was not surprised he was found "not guilty", especially after the glove, but I believe he murdered Brown and Goldman. Likewise, I didn't think Michael Jackson was guilty because a welfare-cheating mother and shyster lawyer conspired to get money out of him. I am not saying that he was normal, but what is "normal"?

>I to believe that it was incompetence on the prosecutors that allowed OJ to walk but that is part of our system. I just hope that losing in the eye of public opinion was enough until he was finally convicted in Vegas.

Oh man, we also agree on Michael Jackson, I never thought he was a pedophile ... just a little boy trapped in a man's body. A strange little boy none the less but that is probably what seperates artists from the rest of us that enjoy the music but could never write it.<

OncealwaysaMarine
I swear I wanted to slap all of the people, who claimed to be great friends of MJ. If they really cared about him, they would have helped him before he died.

If you have ever sat in criminal court, you would see extended families wailing and fainting. One cannot help but ask: "Where were you during the years leading up to this?"

The Worst Kind of Lynch Mob

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 33% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-six percent (36%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of –3. Those figures reflect the highest level of strong disapproval measured to date and the lowest level recorded for the overall Approval Index.

As "The Michael Jackson Diversion" fades out with his finally being laid to rest, the media will eventually have to move on to the next great diversionary tactic to avoid the fate that awaits them and that is increasingly nipping at their heals.

The disaster waiting in the wings is one resulting from their collusion in the fairy tale elevation of another icon whose rise to fame and glory is destined to result in an equally tragic and ignominious fall from grace.

The disasterous and damaging presidency of Barack Hussein Obama; a man who, much in the manner of Michael Jackson, is an empty shell...a caricature...and as President, a man who is equally bereft of any sense of reality.

The worst and most dangerous kind of lynch mob is the one made up of those whose adulation and idolatry of an individual, turns to hatred and hurt feelings at being taken in by him before having their dreams and fantasies dashed upon finding out the truth that he is neither their hero nor is he honorable in his having deceived them.

The media has a stake in creating diversions...they will be seen as equally corrupt for having participated in that deception.

And the mob of liberals, once they decide to take up their pitchforks and torches, will likely be coming for them too.

Jim

There are many of Bush's actions with which I disagree.

I was against going into Iraq, but want to win there. I would have carpetbombed Tora Bora and never endangered an American troop. I said "No" on his spending, bailouts, stimulus, AIG and TARP.

The fact that McCain was the MSM's favorite Republican in 2000 was enough of a reason for me to dislike him.

Basically, you could put a gray wig on me since I am very much like the original "Party of No" - the Founding Fathers.

Finally, I have never questioned, who was Trig's mother.

Who wrote the book?
debra
Location: NM
Reply # 1
Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 10:02 PM EST re: raffaella
They allow 'Chuck Norris' because he is a conservaitve.

And they allow 'responses' on their site, because unlike the LIBS who wrongly EXCLUDED republicans from KEY HEARINGS (and then said VOTE FOR IT ANYWAY), they don't believe in violating YOUR Free Speech.



>As opposed to a Tom DeLay Republican controlled House that passed an energy bill with no Democrate input that gave tax breaks and incentives to the power companies and nothing for consumers?

Or perhaps you mean DeLays medicare drug plan that also cut out the Democrates that stayed up 3 hours past its 15 minute vote time. While Republicans promised and threatened 2 recalicant Republicans to change their vote? Another big windfall for the pharmaceuticals and giant healthcare providers.

What can we say ... you guys wrote the book!<


Jim, CO

Yes, Jim, I love 60s music. I remember where I was when John Bonham of Led Zepplin died.


With regard to children, their welfare trumps a parent's religious beliefs.

I can see the slippery slope, but a child's life is more important.

If the 14th Amendment really means "equal protection", why should a man get off on a rape charge because of his religious views.

If that's the case, everyone is prison will claim to be a Muslim.

If separate is inherently unequal than an 8 year-old rape victim should expect her rapist to go to prison despite his religion.

Medical care is another example where I belief that the State should be able to step in and remove the child. This is expecially true if the child's life is at risk or he/she has a contagious disease that can endanger the community.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think the child should be institutionalzed to prevent the risk to the community. I want the child to be treated.

Like I said before, I am pro-life in terms of abortion and death penalty. I certainly would not harm a child.

Seriously, there is a conflict that exists between the Constitution and reality. Take the OJ case. I was not surprised he was found "not guilty", especially after the glove, but I believe he murdered Brown and Goldman. Likewise, I didn't think Michael Jackson was guilty because a welfare-cheating mother and shyster lawyer conspired to get money out of him. I am not saying that he was normal, but what is "normal"?

Fasching?
St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Location: LA
Reply # 4
Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 9:44 PM EST Jim

"I am a fiscally-conservative, Constitutionalist, without party affiliation. My best friend and gay law clerk are both Republicans. I have never liked John McCain of McCain-Feingold and McShamnesty fame."

>I know, I know, I am not doubting your sincerity or beliefs. I to have a brother that is a Log Cabin Republican and another just an everyday hetero Republican. But given a do over, who would you have rather seen run in 2000 ... Bush or McCain?

**************

"Puritan? LOL. I live in the French Quarter, which is a gumbo of races and sexual orientations."

>Been there a few times, everyone should should see one Mardi Gras in their life. Ever been to Dussledorf during fasching ... them Germans, any reason to drink more beer! Almost as bad as Oktoberfest in Munich.

Which was my point about the Puritans, we humans love to blow off steam ... while still mouthing the words of peity and prayer.<

re: raffaella
They allow 'Chuck Norris' because he is a conservaitve.

And they allow 'responses' on their site, because unlike the LIBS who wrongly EXCLUDED republicans from KEY HEARINGS (and then said VOTE FOR IT ANYWAY), they don't believe in violating YOUR Free Speech.

And if you want HYPROCRISY; I find it ODD that the libs are screaming for EQUALITY but pushing on Autistic people HR 2413 and S 819 which calls for ALL people with Autism and Aspergers (high or low funtioning) to sign a 'voluntary' registry and SUBMIT to being MONITORED as though they were common criminals.

So instead of PREACHING about how all conservatives are HYPOCRITICAL; Go to Congress.gov search under the bill number search engine, for HR 2413 and S 819, and look up the text of the legislation yourself.

And then ASK YOURSELF, HOW the libs who PREACH about COMPASSION and EMPATHY, can go ALL FACIST on millions of people for no other reason than they have a LEARNING DISORDER.

Groovy times
St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Location: LA
Reply # 3
Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 9:18 PM EST Jim - II
My knowledge of the 1960s is based on books and interviews. I do realize how turbulent the era was. Hell, I began listening to Jimi Hendrix and The Doors AFTER Jimi and Jim Morrison were dead.

>I was young but I remember following the news, rioting in the streets, war protests, free love and drugs on college campuses, lynchings, bombings. It really seemed like the world was coming apart at the seams ... but yes, the music! It was groovy man.<

************************



Jim, there are laws against endangering or harming children. If your religion prompts you to marry an 8 year-old girl and have sex with her, you are going to jail.

>I don't disagree ... there are religious practices I am completely against ... actually as an atheist, there aren't many I am for. Yet I do believe in freedom of religion ... and this is the slippery slope. While some practices are easy to condemn, at what point do you stop? Can we make the Amish come into the 21st century because we have so much that would make their life convienient? If we dis-allow burqas ... can we tell Jewish men no yamulkes, Sikh men no turbans, Hindu women no saris?

So while in pricipal I agree with giving them life saving medicines ... it is with trepidation.<

Obama is 'not' a another Jimmy Carter
He's another STALIN. He's a communist in word, and in deed. And THAT was the reason why I refused to vote for him when he ran for President in the first place.

Stormy Daniels, Jim?

The only person that I voted for out of those that you mentioned is Vitter and I will vote for him again.

Good grief, his only opponent is a current porn star named Stormy Daniels. Stuart Smalley is joke enough without adding a porn star.


When Louisiana becomes Italy, I will move back to France.

Jim

I am a fiscally-conservative, Constitutionalist, without party affiliation. My best friend and gay law clerk are both Republicans. I have never liked John McCain of McCain-Feingold and McShamnesty fame.


Puritan? LOL. I live in the French Quarter, which is a gumbo of races and sexual orientations.

Puritan law?
St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Location: LA
Reply # 2
Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 9:15 PM EST

If medicine was the same as in 1973, you might be able to advance the trimester system. Babies have survived when they were born in the 5th month.

If the trimester system wasn't still in place, then the pro-abortion groups would be would have no reason to want FOCA.

>But abortion isn't about viability ... it is about freedom of choice. Who knows better about your own circumstances ... you or some people you have never met in the State House and Congress? When you reach a certain age you are allowed to make your own decisions, good ones along with the bad. Does not God give us this free will ... to make our own choices, good and bad?<


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I have one view of abortion based on morality and another on legality. Even Roe's author and Lawrence Tribe see too many similarites with Dred.

>You can't legislate morality Denise, Vitter, Ensign and Sanford have demonstrated that.As for legal ... what is the basis, the Bible? Should we be like Islamic republics and have our own laws of Sharia? Should we return to the days of the Puritans?<

Jim
If you want care in Canada, the UK or France, go there.

Socialized medicine means rationing, delay and denial.

My sister, her French husband, and family either seek private care or come here.

If you are poor, there are free public health clinics and the emergency room. The poor do not have to wait here.

Study the NHS and NICE Board.

Jim - II
My knowledge of the 1960s is based on books and interviews. I do realize how turbulent the era was. Hell, I began listening to Jimi Hendrix and The Doors AFTER Jimi and Jim Morrison were dead.

************************

"Yes, in certain areas: Child abuse, sexual abuse, refusal of medical treatment, etc., are grounds to remove a child. Religion would have nothing to do with it."

"I'm ambivalent about the idea ... while it is cruel to allow a child to die. How can you tell a person that their religious convictions are wrong ..."

Jim, there are laws against endangering or harming children. If your religion prompts you to marry an 8 year-old girl and have sex with her, you are going to jail.

I knew that
St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Location: LA
Reply # 4
Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 8:41 PM EST Jim, CO

As most of the posters here know, I lived in the UK and in France.

>Well, I guess that puts me in the league of most posters ... I recall that from some of your previous posts.

So having lived there, are they upset over their healthcare options? Are they marching in the streets, demanding their government return them to an individually funded system?<

***************

You DO NOT want either system here. Even the "middle class" will choose a private doctor or clinic and pay personally.

And, Canada is just as bad, but private facilities are popping up everywhere.

>And I have no problem with that ... what we have now is not working ... do you admit that? So having a basic system that is available to the poor is what is needed. While if you can afford to go out and get private care ... it should also be an option.<

Jim - I
"But Roe does, much like old English law which was accepted by the colonies all the way to the 1870's ... abortion was allowed up until the quickening. Which equated to the first trimester ... so I think SCOTUS was just using precedent which is their want. While adding viability outside the womb and then the health of the mother to just about cover the entire pregnancy."

If medicine was the same as in 1973, you might be able to advance the trimester system. Babies have survived when they were born in the 5th month.

If the trimester system wasn't still in place, then the pro-abortion groups would be would have no reason to want FOCA.
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"Actually that was the point of the 14 Amendment, to overturn Dred Scott and say what rights a citizen of the US posessed. Which is the basis that the SCOTUS found in favor of Wade. People forget how turbulent the 60's were with the advent of the pill, civil rights, woman's rights and a war. Some of the problems we have today, seem tame by comparison."

I have one view of abortion based on morality and another on legality. Even Roe's author and Lawrence Tribe see too many similarites with Dred.

.

Fixed?
St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Location: LA
Reply # 1
Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 8:47 PM EST

Things have changed. I am happy that they have. As a woman, Woodrow Wilson would have sent me to a mental asylum for "fixing" because I demand the right to vote and expect to be treated equally.


>LOL ... well lucky for you that Ann Coulte was not around then because I think she would have been the one to strap you in to be "fixed"!<

Ann Coulter: I think [women] should be armed but should not vote...women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it...it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care.
Comedy Central; Politically Incorrect; February 26, 2001

Once Again with feeling
Ouck Fbama AKA

The Miserable Manipulative Murderous Muslim Mulatto Marxist Maggot.

They say history has a way of repeating itself -

Lincoln - Garfield - McKinley - Kennedy - ?

Not sure
St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Location: LA
Reply # 1
Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 8:19 PM EST

"Roe weighs does not give a woman a right to have any abortion at anytime. Remember, that SCOTUS created trimesters."

>But Roe does, much like old English law which was accepted by the colonies all the way to the 1870's ... abortion was allowed up until the quickening. Which equated to the first trimester ... so I think SCOTUS was just using precedent which is their want. While adding viability outside the womb and then the health of the mother to just about cover the entire pregnancy.<

************************


"Honey, I want the smallest and least intrusive government possible. I can find that Roe is, unfortunately, too similar to Dred Scott. Even the author of the decision, Justice Blackmum, later conceded his belief that the legal reasoning he used was flaw. The revered, Harvard Constitutional professor, Lawrence Tribe, has said that there are too many similarites between Roe and Dred. Lawrence Tribe is a liberal."


>Actually that was the point of the 14 Amendment, to overturn Dred Scott and say what rights a citizen of the US posessed. Which is the basis that the SCOTUS found in favor of Wade. People forget how turbulent the 60's were with the advent of the pill, civil rights, woman's rights and a war. Some of the problems we have today, seem tame by comparison.<

************************


"Yes, in certain areas: Child abuse, sexual abuse, refusal of medical treatment, etc., are grounds to remove a child. Religion would have nothing to do with it."

>I'm ambivalent about the idea ... while it is cruel to allow a child to die. How can you tell a person that their religious convictions are wrong ... that we know better? Yet if a procedure will save their life ... how can you just sit back? One of those slippery slope questions.<


Jim
"Was the Constitution meant to be the end all and be all ... did the founders write this in stone, knowing that nothing would ever change?"

Oh, no. The Founding Fathers created the Bill of Rights - first 10 Amendments.

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"But things have changed ... imagine the chagrin of some, if they knew that some 200 years in the future. That a Black man or a Woman would have a fair chance of becoming President"

Things have changed. I am happy that they have. As a woman, Woodrow Wilson would have sent me to a mental asylum for "fixing" because I demand the right to vote and expect to be treated equally.

Jim, CO

As most of the posters here know, I lived in the UK and in France.

You DO NOT want either system here. Even the "middle class" will choose a private doctor or clinic and pay personally.

And, Canada is just as bad, but private facilities are popping up everywhere.

Interesting data can be found here:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/07/state-run-health-care -by-the-numbers/

Yes, I saw the Socialist Bernie Sanders say that insurance companies should be very fearful of ObamaCare.

You had better tell Sanders to shut up, as he would have a hard time selling anything in "flyover" country.

Zap

No, it is the current range.

You should have demanded, like I did, that the Senate vote to audit the non-federal, Federal Reserve. Unfortunately, it bowed to Bernanke's demands recently.

The monetary policy of the United States has been a growing disaster since the F.R. was created in 1913.

The three Progressive Presidents - Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and FDR - acted unconstitutionally in a fundamental sense of the term.

If I had been alive and of voting age, I probably would have voted for JFK.

LBJ raided the Medicare "trust fund" in order to pay for some of the Great Society programs.

I was not old enough to vote for Nixon, Carter and Reagan. I did not vote in the 1988 election because I failed to approve of Bush I. I disliked the pervert, Clinton. I think Gore is unhinged ... Really, the man compared "climate change" to Nazi Germany. Kerry? Forget about it.

And, I did not vote for Obama. My disapproval of him has to do solely with his Agenda. Race has nothing to do with it - my best friend is a "black" social conservative. (As I have said before, she identifies herself as "black", not Africaan-American).

Socialized medicine?
St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Location: LA
Reply # 6
Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 7:36 PM EST Jim, CO

As a Constitutionalist, why on Earth would I support an unConstitutional law creating ObamaCare that may or may not end a groundless interpretation of the Supreme Court?


>Was the Constitution meant to be the end all and be all ... did the founders write this in stone, knowing that nothing would ever change? But things have changed ... imagine the chagrin of some, if they knew that some 200 years in the future. That a Black man or a Woman would have a fair chance of becoming President?

Look at who is really fighting Obama care ... it is the healthcare insurance giants. So of course they want to paint this as socilized medicine ... do you think they could sell this, if they admitted that it was really about lining their pockets?<


Health Insurance Giants to Block Obama's Health Care Agenda
huffingtonpost.com — The Health Insurance industry is already gearing up, once again, to fight Obama's health care plans.

Jim, CO
"Isn't that what Roe v. Wade says ... that under the 14th Amendemt and due process, no state can abridge the rights of its citizens? Thus a person has the right to decide if they do or do not want to carry on a pregnancy. That a government agency can not decide for you if you are allowed an abortion?"

Roe weighs does not give a woman a right to have any abortion at anytime. Remember, that SCOTUS created trimesters.

"If as lawyer you believe the state should have no say on a medical procedure .... then why do you want the state to restrict abortions?"

Honey, I want the smallest and least intrusive government possible. I can find that Roe is, unfortunately, too similar to Dred Scott. Even the author of the decision, Justice Blackmum, later conceded his belief that the legal reasoning he used was flaw. The revered, Harvard Constitutional professor, Lawrence Tribe, has said that there are too many similarites between Roe and Dred. Lawrence Tribe is a liberal.

************************

"Just out of curiosity ... should a state be able to require a child to take a treatement against their parents religious convictions?"

Yes, in certain areas: Child abuse, sexual abuse, refusal of medical treatment, etc., are grounds to remove a child. Religion would have nothing to do with it.

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BTW: I am consistent. I am against the death penalty.

>Oh, oh be careful now, you are treading on thin ground here ... we both agree on the death penalty?<

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Yes, we are, but do not try to break into my home. I will not wait to determine whether you are going to steal my television or rape and murder me. If I kill or maim you, I will not be guilty of any crime or liable in civil court. We already have had such a case in Louisiana.

St. Denis In Obama's Red America
"between $50tn and $99tn"

Is this the estimate for the next 500 years?

Jim, CO
"Isn't that what Roe v. Wade says ... that under the 14th Amendemt and due process, no state can abridge the rights of its citizens? Thus a person has the right to decide if they do or do not want to carry on a pregnancy. That a government agency can not decide for you if you are allowed an abortion?"

Roe weighs does not give a woman a right to have any abortion at anytime. Remember, that SCOTUS created trimesters.

"If as lawyer you believe the state should have no say on a medical procedure .... then why do you want the state to restrict abortions?"

Honey, I want the smallest and least intrusive government possible. I can find that Roe is, unfortunately, too similar to Dred Scott. Even the author of the decision, Justice Blackmum, later conceded his belief that the legal reasoning he used was flaw. The revered, Harvard Constitutional professor, Lawrence Tribe, has said that there are too many similarites between Roe and Dred. Lawrence Tribe is a liberal.

************************

"Just out of curiosity ... should a state be able to require a child to take a treatement against their parents religious convictions?"

Yes, in certain areas: Child abuse, sexual abuse, refusal of medical treatment, etc., are grounds to remove a child. Religion would have nothing to do with it.

************************
BTW: I am consistent. I am against the death penalty.

>Oh, oh be careful now, you are treading on thin ground here ... we both agree on the death penalty?<

************************

Yes, we are, but do not try to break into my home. I will not wait to determine whether you are going to steal my television or rape and murder me. If I kill or maim you, I will not be guilty of any crime or liable in civil court. We already have had such a case in Louisiana.

RUCK FICK
S T F U

We agree on something?
St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Location: LA
Reply # 1
Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 7:36 PM EST Jim, CO


Now, do you want any level of government to have power over your own body? Do you want a governmental agency determining what medical treatment you can have?

I do not. I detest the Federal government and have for most of my life.

>Isn't that what Roe v. Wade says ... that under the 14th Amendemt and due process, no state can abridge the rights of its citizens? Thus a person has the right to decide if they do or do not want to carry on a pregnancy. That a government agency can not decide for you if you are allowed an abortion?

If as lawyer you believe the state should have no say on a medical procedure .... then why do you want the state to restrict abortions?

Just out of curiosity ... should a state be able to require a child to take a treatement against their parents religious convictions?<


BTW: I am consistent. I am against the death penalty.

>Oh, oh be careful now, you are treading on thin ground here ... we both agree on the death penalty?<

Zap
"Do you want a governmental agency determining what medical treatment you can have?"

"Ever heard of Medicare, Medicaid or the Veterans Administration?"


Yes and so? Those are all voluntary programs.

I have private insurance and am certainly decades away from qualifying for Medicare, which will not be around anyway.

The unfunded mandates of the Unites States amount to somewhere between $50tn and $99tn (I have even seen a number of $113tn). You could confiscate all of the wealth of the citizens and still not pay off the debt.

Social Security is going to be insolvent in 2016, at the latest. The Meds in 2017.

Hal Bends over and Rick moves "IN"
Hal Donahue the Ultimate Troll is suffering from delusions of grandeur, he has never once reported a correct fact on this site. And then there is Rick who is ready to bend over and take one in the butt for the party!!!!!!! Good luck Rick, Hal will be gentle!!!!!!!


OUCK FBAMA
RUCK FICK
HUCK FAL

Ciao for now. time for the youngun's
bath.

Have a good night yuh'all.

Deficit spending
Judith
Location: CO
Reply # 2
Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 7:21 PM EST Rick
So Beck is an opportunistic hack? He's just trying to get money from me? Hey I may be 70, but I'm a he!!uva lot sharper than you'll ever be, numbskull.

Just substitute the Blob's name for Beck's, all his ACORN cronies, Democrats with not even two brain cells firing and well paid liars and I can say, with confidence, that my money is ALREADY being taken away from me.
Stuppido!


>What I want to know is ... why does this bother you so much now? Bush was running deficits from the getgo. He funded the Iraq war on borrowed money from the Chinese ... who do you think was going to have to pay that back? His medicare drug bill will cost about $1.2 trillion ... where did you think that money was coming from? When Bush asked for $750 billion to bail out Wall St. last year ... where did you think that money was coming from? If you conservatives had been a little more concerned about who was paying for all of this a few years back ... then you wouldn't be in this boat today.<

St. Denis In Obama's Red America
"Do you want a governmental agency determining what medical treatment you can have?"

Ever heard of Medicare, Medicaid or the Veterans Administration?

Jim, CO

As a Constitutionalist, why on Earth would I support an unConstitutional law creating ObamaCare that may or may not end a groundless interpretation of the Supreme Court?

Whether Roe falls will depend on how much focus on "individualism" the Congress "deigns" to "grant" the citizens of the US and illegal aliens inside of this country.

Under the Kennedy-Dodd proposal, which is floating around Washington, your own medical data would become the property of the doctor's OFFICE and the government could make the OFFICE transfer it. All of which would be violative of the 4th Amendment.

In my years of practicing law, I have never "owned" client files. Any client at any time can demand copies of their medical and legal files. The most a lawyer or doctor can do is charge for copies. K-D would treat medical records differently than legal files.

If the Congress decides to exempt information on, say, abortion or AIDS, it could concievably still require information on heart disease or diabetes.

Now, do you want any level of government to have power over your own body? Do you want a governmental agency determining what medical treatment you can have?

I do not. I detest the Federal government and have for most of my life.

BTW: I am consistent. I am against the death penalty.



Norris's memory loss
Rick
Location: MN
Reply # 2
Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 7:07 PM EST Talent Scout? Troll me all you want,
You can't handle the truth!

I give facts, back them up with quotes, links and references. Chuckie here rewrites history about Carters role with the 1979 Revolution, and so many others are throwing in with him.

>Ain't it the truth Rick ... Republcians suffer from massive memory loss and then try to re-write history. Chuck wants to portray Carter and the Iranian revolution as the beginning of it all ...they forget Entebbe 1976, Munich 1972. And most of all Yom Kippor 1973, when Nixon changed US policy and begin giving direct and massive military aid to Israel. Thus some how fueling the idea in these future militants heads ... that we were on the side of the Jews and not the Muslims?

And remember Republicans ... Carter like Obama would not have been President without a Nixon or Bush paving the way.<

Rick
So Beck is an opportunistic hack? He's just trying to get money from me? Hey I may be 70, but I'm a he!!uva lot sharper than you'll ever be, numbskull.

Just substitute the Blob's name for Beck's, all his ACORN cronies, Democrats with not even two brain cells firing and well paid liars and I can say, with confidence, that my money is ALREADY being taken away from me.
Stuppido!

Then you support it?
St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Location: LA
Reply # 13
Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 4:55 PM EST

And, for Obama fans, ObamaCare might just mean the end of Roe v. Wade, since the Federals will remove individuality from medical decisions. Your "Freedom of Choice" will be replaced by whatever some "Czar and Board" decides.

>If you really believe that Denise, then why aren't all you pro-lifers pushing your Congressmen to vote it in? Seems like a much better and quicker option then trying to rid the law of Roe v. Wade?<

Talent Scout? Troll me all you want,
You can't handle the truth!

I give facts, back them up with quotes, links and references. Chuckie here rewrites history about Carters role with the 1979 Revolution, and so many others are throwing in with him.

This is politics at its smarmiest. You lie and expect the uninformed to back you up. That's the Republican't way. To smear an opponent during a campaign and when not in one, or having lost, to constantly obstruct and smear. The obstruction, as in making sure the stimulus Obama sought for states was cut, would show that the economy in state budgets is really bad off. It is how the Republican'ts blame the Democrats for bad desicions. The obstruct and obfuscate, amend a bill to minimize quality. Then Repubilcan'ts scream, SEE how bad Democrats are?!

Jag you schmuck, Carter did NOT aid and
abett the take-over of Iran by the Revolutionary Guard.

You're nuts to believe that hogwash!

Judith, Beck is an opportunist hack!
Beck is going to rake in millions off you people who fall into his snare. He's nothing more than a bad actor, telling stories made to be perceived as sincere concern for your values. The real motivation for Beck is to make money off of you.

ST DENIS
I agree totally with you and I have read the concerns in all of your comments for the past several months. I read an article recently that stated more women are becoming more vocal and more involved in issues today than ever before. I am not talking about feminine extremist here, but mothers, daughters and grandmothers who know and love the America we grew up in and want our children and grandchildren to have the same opportunities we had, not the burden of enormous taxation, hyperinflation, government interference in our daily lives and a loss of our American values.

The phrase, "The World is Your Oyster" that has been spoken to our youths at many graduations may no longer apply.

However, looking back through our history, radical ideology is never lasting. We have gone through periods of extremes many times, but somehow our culture and our government returns to the spirit and strengths that enabled this great country to be built and endure for 223 years. These next few years may be tough ones, but I firmly believe sanity will be restored.
Let's keep the faith and call our congressman/woman every day.


Ghost of the Republic and others,
Yes, I got down in the mud. Have you had abussive posts thrown your way?

Dave posts that my sister with Lupus, at age 29, should be aborted. Anne, tells me she would never hire me, and if I had been missed by her she would fire me, others call me an idiot, and on and on.

So, I fall into the muck, get caught in the mire and wallow a bit. So, this makes you dismiss my posts which have substance, links for support and effort to explain?

That is shallow!

PVZ, another historically inept post.
You've added new lies to the liars who are rewritting Iranian history at the expense of former president Carter.

Pathetic.

Agent Crawfish, Yet with overwhelming
evidence that Republican't tax cut, deficit spending failure, your plan is to despise someone else's?

You've proof, now, at this particular point in time, before the October,2009 surge in stimulus spending hits and runs until Sept., 2010? Proof that prior to the actual dissemination of the largest stimulus in history, that it has failed?

Absolute confidence that you are absolutely correct?


Really?

Beats me how you can predict absolutes in the future, when well known economists are playing it as it goes.


ray, you're a dip!
You're so wrong it's beyond pathetic.

You've lied in total.

Obama as Carter?
Both Carter & Obama have the economic savy of an aged mentally retarded hamster. Eventually, Obamanomics will backfire on the democrats just like Carternomics did. Liberal ecnomics don't work. (The current crisis is just the bill coming due for FDR/LBJ and successive generations of politicians from both parties too cowardly to deal with unfunded mandates.)

Obamanomics is a house of cards that will collapse. The only question is how much damage gets done in the mean time. Heck, even Stalin got almost a century of misery out of the Russian people before that system went belly up. (And he screwed things up so royally that they're still not on their feet.)


Marxist trolls really out today
and this thread is full of stupidity and ignorance as a result.

The Shah was no angel for sure but islamists murdered more people in the first month than Pahlavi did in 26 years. The Iranian army could have maintained order but were assured by everyone in Carter Admin. they should let the "people" take over so they could have a democratic government. They were foolish enough to listen. All the military leaders, including those who had asked for advice on who to support, along with their families were dead within a week of Koumeini taking power.

The Islamic Republic, Hezbollah, Hamas and nukes in the Gulf can legitimately be laid at the door of the vicious little idiot from Plains.

cahtah vs flap ears
cahtah has been a thorn in the side of every president since the american people rejected him.

Cahtah in particular has never gotten over nor forgiven the fact americans voted him out of office

But just like cahtah flap ears has an elevated opinion of himself, believing he knows how to fix everything if only people would listen to him.

In 2012 when the country rejects flap ears, we will see the same deer in the headlights look cahtah had.

Flap ears assumes the country loves him and his socialist vision as much as flap ears loves himself and his love for a huge socialist gov't which has control over every aspect of american's lives

Carter redux
I'm been saying Obama is another Carter since well prior to the 08 presidential vote.

Indeed, Carter pulled the rug out from under a reliable and relatively benevolent ally in Iran. Had Carter supported the Shah and his reforms, we would probably still have one of his political successors protecting our intersts in the Middle East and most likely never would have had to go to go to Iraq.

By the way, Peanut Man also gave away the Panama Canal, which was this country's consideration for creating and protecting Panama. I shuuder to think how much of America Obama will have given away by the time he leaves office.

Carter redux
I'm been saying Obama is another Carter since well prior to the 08 presidential vote.

Indeed, Carter pulled the rug out from under a reliable and relatively benevolent ally in Iran. Had Carter supported the Shah and his reforms, we would probably still have one of his political successors protecting our intersts in the Middle East and most likely never would have had to go to go to Iraq.

By the way, Peanut Man also gave away the Panama Canal, which was this country's consideration for creating and protecting Panama. I shuuder to think how much of America Obama will have given away by the time he leaves office.

Reba
It was reported that the funeral cost the Los Angeles $5mn. When the Lakers won the championship the $2mn tab was picked up by the Lakers and other corporations.

Given that California has a $24bn budget deficit and state employees are furloghed 3 days a month, I would hope that AEG, the producer of the funeral, pays.

No more bailouts. My position is supported my polls that show that, at least, 60% of Americans do not want another porkulus. They do not want Czars, especially the "Health Choices" Insurance Czar, who would mandate that the choices an individual has in California must be the same as in Rhode Island.

Whatever the title of a Federal program, it likely means the opposite. Further, it just promotes "Nationalism".

California will learn that they will no longer have any sovereignty, if they accept a bailout.

What next? Will Obama name a Louisiana Czar? A Texas Czar? Hell, will he just decide the United STATES doesn't need "STATES"?

And, for Obama fans, ObamaCare might just mean the end of Roe v. Wade, since the Federals will remove individuality from medical decisions. Your "Freedom of Choice" will be replaced by whatever some "Czar and Board" decides.

Reba, all that I can say is that this is not America. It has become Amerika, with a King, Czars, a Politburo full of a bunch of Potemkin villages, a State-run media, and a bunch of cult members.

A Black Jimmy Carter!
As far as Middle East policy is concerned President Barry Hussein is just a Black Jimmy Carter. Always scolding and talking tough to Israel while being sympathetic to Iran and it's tentacle's Hamas & Hezbollah.
It's only a matter of time before they start to lob more missles into Northern Israel, and with the Iranian Elections over and unrest quelled and the Annual Holocaust Denial Conference coming up Mahmoud has already ordered his nuclear bomb makers to spin up those brand spanking new centrifuges (80) he bought in 2007.
Meanwhile, BPOTUS and Hillary are twiddling their thumbs trying to win hearts and minds.

Carter Deja Vu?
Comparing the Obamessiah to Carter is an insult to Carter.

Obama's going to make Carter look like a hard nosed hawk.

zap - Vietnam III


For instance, do you honestly believe our military is losing in Iraq? There are NO known enemy positions. There are hundreds of thousands of enemy casualties - and barely four thousand of ours. They have NO supplies they can't sneak in on foot from Iran or other places. They have almost NO civilian supporters beyond those who expect to get wealthy from them or are terrified to resist them. They have NO say in the present government and almost none in the present Iraq military. Their ONLY efforts are to terrorize the Iraqi population and hope when we pull out that they can insist they ran us out because they depend upon OUR MSM to tell us they did! And one party insists it is the other party's fault (as they have in every war) that we're even there instead of admitting why we went there in the first place because they are too busy playing political games to really care why we might be there. Go read some books by men who were in Vietnam instead of the ones written and approved by the government for the government or by modern people who gets their 'facts' from modern books.

Congress does NOT declare war in places like Vietnam and Korea because they do NOT want to lose control as they would if war was declared. After 9-11 they had no choice as you can tell from Democrat votes then. They like to run things so THEY can get the credit. If it flops, it is the President's fault as CIC. They micromanage as you can tell from listening to committees being informed by the Generals if you pay attention. They relieved General Westmoreland from his command in Vietnam since he refused to tell the troops to ignore guns, etc. They did NOT want another Eisenhower to take their place as President. They got rid of McAuthor for the same reason. Ignore what they tell you in history books.

zap - Vietnam II
A Senate committee under Humphrey met with the Viet Cong (really North Vietnamese) at Paris and arranged a "Peace" treaty. The North Vietnamese then waited until most of our troops were pulled out and then invaded. Congress then changed the peace treaty's name to a "truce". American soldiers were not beaten - they simply had every victory in ground, etc. taken by Congress and given back to the Viet Cong, usually about a week after we won anything.

Later, after the war, Humphrey ran for President on the grounds that he had saved the troops. One reason he wasn't elected was because too many soldiers and their families knew the truth. Sort of like Kerry and the Swift Boat people who knew what he had REALLY done. For some reason the politicians think that the people will always believe their lies. I suppose it is because there are people like you who do believe them.

(See next post)

zap - Vietnam I
I fought for two years and really dislike being called a liar for telling what really happened there and then. But, since you obviously were brain-washed by your teachers giving you government pap, I'll answer.

First, Congress wasn't concerned about people. They were concerned about getting a reputation so they could be reelected or elected to President. They still aren't concerned about people. And I include both parties in that statement. Congress wanted the reputation for ending the war. It didn't matter to them who was killed on either side as long as they could get that reputation. One (Humphrey) even said so on "Meet the Prss."

Bombs were certainly dropped - a lot of them as you tried to point out. But they were seldom dropped in South Vietnam. No targets. Most were dropped in North Vietnam and in Cambodia where they tended to concentrate troops and supplies. The only places they were dropped in Vietnam were places like D-Zone where there were no civilians. But since they didn't have anything but jungle to bomb in those places, the bombs were basically wasted and they soon quit trying.

Ask any person who served in the Infantry in Vietnam during 1967 through the end of the war. Our orders were to do nothing that might harm the position of the Viet Cong. Congress didn't want to pressure the Viet Cong into pulling out of their negotiations. If we found guns or anything else, we were to leave them. I got into trouble once for blowing up some explosives I found but I figured it was worth it. The MOST we were supposed to be able to do was tell the South Vietnamese what and where we found something - and we weren't really supposed to do that after Congress learned the South Vietnamese would immediately come in and take the supplies. By and large, all men - officers and enlisted - did their best to ignore such orders if we thought no one would get caught doing it.

(See next too)

ST DENIS
"Is it just me, or does the world seem like it has lost it's freaking mind?"

Not just you. On January 20, 2009, we all entered the Twilight Zone. When does the director say "Cut"?

zap - CIC
Do you actually believe the CIC issues orders to the military during war actions? How many orders do you think Obama, for instance, has issued? Very very few.

CIC's direct in only a broad way. Such as - "okay, we're going to go to war with ___. General ZXY, you're going to be in charge. Figure out what you need and let me know." "Okay, General, I okay these plans. Start moving the men out."

Congress is the one in the last thirty years or more who issues the micromanaged orders. That is why Congress does NOT like to declare war and didn't in Vietnam and in Korea. Declaring war takes all management away from them. This sort of stopped when Bush I went into Panama and found out that one of the Congressmen (they won't say who for fear it will 'destroy the American's faith in their Congressmen') called Noriega and told him we were attacking. That's how he managed to get to a church to hide before we arrived. In Desert Storm Bush I did NOT tell Congress when we were going in or allow them to give orders. I doubt if Bush II did either. Clinton used war only as a way to distract the public from his affairs and mishandling of certain things (like loosing the codes to fire off our nuclear weapons).

45caliber
"but why they were there and what they were supposed to do was certainly decided by Congress."

You and talent scout are simply shills for the Republican party and should be ashamed of yourselves.

"President Ronald Reagan ordered the 32d Marine Amphibious Unit back into Lebanon to support the Lebanese Armed Forces where it was soon relieved by Camp Lejeune's 24th MAU."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/usmnf.htm

Perhaps if you read the US Constitution you will learn who the Commander in Chief is.


talent scout
Religion produces brain dead people?!?!

REAAAALLLLLLLLLYYYYYY? You show your ignorance. It was religious people who produced the two greatest documents of all time: The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of The USA.

It was the "great awakening" of the early to mid 18th century that produced a society ripe for a freedom revolution.

PLEASE don't start spewing left winf re-engineered "history" about our founding fathers being atheists and agnostics and the Revolution being a "secular" revolution. That was France.

We had Mayhew and Witherspoon, Keteltas, Muhlenberg, Caldwell, etc, etc. Many of these ministers were given credit in later writting of many of the founding fathers.

Was George Washington brain dead? Here is an excerpt from his farewell address:

Of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens. The mere Politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connexions with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

There is more, read it for yourself.

zap
The Marines were sent in. Who did it is immaterial since they were not there to be killed. That happened. But why they were there and what they were supposed to do was certainly decided by Congress.

45caliber
"Our orders in Vietnam were to do no damage to the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong infrastructure"

Is anything in your posts true? I do not believe everything I read in history books but I DO believe in the "opposite" of what you post.

Good article below,

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairw/articles/20090413.a spx

Robert:
It was pointed out to the history teacher that the book was in error. The history teacher told my daughter that "the government wants you to learn it that way so that's the way I teach it. And the test will show it this way so you'd better learn it this way."

45caliber
"also the 241 Marines killed in Lebanon were never hostages."

Not literally, but figuratively. Reagan used them as hostages for his own political purposes.

He wanted to "look" tough, like in the movies.




45caliber
"Reagon had very little to say about Lebanon there since it was NOT a war. Congress did."

Are you kidding me? Your spin is now that the Democrat-controlled Congress sent those 241 American Marines into harm's way in Beirut in 1983?


talent scout
Reagan did all he could to arm the Ayatollah.

From http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/arming_iraq.ph p

March, 1987. President Reagan bows to the findings of the Tower Commission admitting the sale of arms to Iran in exchange for hostages. Oliver North uses the profits from the sale to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua. [17]

Late 1987. The Iraqi Air Force begins using chemical agents against Kurdish resistance forces in northern Iraq. [1]

February, 1988. Saddam Hussein begins the "Anfal" campaign against the Kurds of northern Iraq. The Iraq regime used chemical weapons against the Kurds killing over 100,000 civilians and destroying over 1,200 Kurdish villages. [8]

April, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of chemicals used in manufacture of mustard gas. [7]

45caliber
"Our orders in Vietnam were to do no damage to the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong infrastructure"

Are you joking? Are you telling me there were no B-52 raids on North Vietnam? I've read from U.S. military sources that more bombs (tons) were dropped on North Vietnam than all the bombs by all combatants that were dropped in WWII.

45caliber
"My daughter's history book stated that the military lost the war in Vietnam and that the "heroic" Senators under Humphrey were able to form a truce that allowed the American soldiers to be pulled out without being wiped out. WRONG!" I used a similar history book that drew the same conclusion as an example when I was criticizing the textbooks at a school board meeting. The school board agreed with the book on that one. Apparently, political leftism trumps real history every time.

St. Denis:
I don't know if the world has lost its freaking mind but I think the MSM and the politicians certainly have.

I would believe anything from California, though. I think the only value California has as an American state is that most of the really crazy people end up there sooner or later. Some of the people who comment here are good examples of that.

Talent Scout

Both of the boxes were for "NO".

The Nobel Prize committee has a penchant to award all of the Ptomken village idiots.

Robert
If the entire world all came to the conclusion and agreed Ronald Reagan was the cause of all the problems of the world then and today, whats the solution?

People like zappy?

hardy ha ha

zap
The Americans have been quitters due to political reasons ever since WWII. We pulled back in Korea, we pulled out of Vietnam, etc. Our orders in Vietnam were to do no damage to the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong infrastructure - in fact, we were to leave guns and ammunition if we found them. I think the last President who actually had any nominal control during a war was Washington. Congress loves to blame the Presidents if they can - and Lebanon is a prime example of it. Then they hope to take the credit for any good things that happen, as Humphrey tried to do after Vietnam. Reagon had very little to say about Lebanon there since it was NOT a war. Congress did. Bush One was the first President in my memory to do something during war that Congress did not approve and order ahead of time. (Desert Storm) Also the 241 Marines killed in Lebanon were never hostages. They were simply killed. I do agree about the lack of allowing them to be armed - but if I remember correctly, the guard position at the gate was taken out by a second truck bomb prior to the main one reaching the barracks. I can't say for sure since I'm depending upon my memory here.

Incidently, never fully believe any history book unless you cross reference everything you read there to older history books and actual evidence. We have a large number of historical revisionists now who write most of the history books - and they want to write them as 'things that should have happened' rather than as things that actually happened. Vietnam is a good example. My daughter's history book stated that the military lost the war in Vietnam and that the "heroic" Senators under Humphrey were able to form a truce that allowed the American soldiers to be pulled out without being wiped out. WRONG!

talent scout
I wish the Left would decide whether Reagan was an adventurist cowboy or a malevolent appeaser. He obviously can't be both. If they'd just pick one and stick to it, they'd make more sense.

Happy zappy
A true idiot

He is the product of what happens to the human mind when politics fashions the thoughts of the head and the words of the mouth.

This guy is the sort of lunatic both parties, democrats and republicans are producing.

Genuine blue ribbon, gold standard idiots.

Talent Scout

When it comes to foreign and economic polices, Carter checked both boxes.

A lot of L'Internationale is agreed to by Capitalists and Constitutionalists.

Profit not greed.

Both Cloward and Piven were/are stark, raving lunatics.

Personally, I know of several CEOs that dress up like Elvis and perform at parties.

What you are seeing now is a global Mardi Gras Day without trinkets.

talent scout
"Absolute brain dead fools."

Yes, Reagan was. Yet another example of his malevolent appeasement.

On May 17, 1987 the USS Stark was on patrol in the Persian Gulf. On that day Saddam Hussein ordered one of his fighters to fire an Exocet missile at our American ship. The missile hit our ship and 37 Americans died from the attack.

What was Ronald Reagan's response the reader may ask? Nothing, at first. Later his response was to proceed giving Iraq even more weapons.

Can someone please let me know if this is appeasement?

St Denis
'Is is just me, or does it seem like the world has lost its freaking mind?'

It's not just you. I tell the wife the news every day when she gets home and she has stopped asking me if I'm making it up as a joke. I couldn't think of jokes as absurd as the news that we actually have. The world has in fact gone crazy.

You must admit that Michael Jackson is a high achiever though. Where else but America could a poor black boy grow up to die a rich white woman?

No, it is not just you
St. Denis writes:
"Is is just me, or does it seem like the world has lost its freaking mind?"


The world "leaders" are ignoring all wisdom for their agenda.

The agenda of a world government.

Never going to work as its impossible.

The US of A was established to "form a more perfect union" and any of us can see we cannot make a union perfect here, let alone the world.

Its madness to think the world can be governed in any uniformity under the control of some political party or affiliation.

But this is what they are trying to do


Politics, the Methadone of fried brains
Politics and organized religion are twins.

Produces brain dead people.

If religion is the opium of the masses, politics is the methadone, a synthetic opiate.

Regardless of political party,politics is destroying American Government


It Is Just Insanity!

I flipped on the television a few moments ago and the media has completely jumped the shark on the Michael Jackson coverage.

Tickets are going for $25K a piece. All of America seems to be in mourning, even children. Grown men, in KISS makeup, are in the crowds. Celebrities are posing. Girls are moonwalking. Tears are flowing. Major highways in Los Angeles are closed off and lined with crowds.

Prison inmates in Thailand are moonwalking.

Good grief, the entire funeral is so surreal that it is only fitting that Barnum & Bailey is the second act at the Staples Center.

MJ's funeral could outsell any Obama event.

At the same time, Gore is over in England comparing the "threat" of climate change to Nazism.

Is is just me, or does it seem like the world has lost its freaking mind?

Sky Pete
I am well aware that Iraq first invaded Iran. If that is what has your hackles up, I'm sorry if I made you think I didn't know. HOWEVER ... there were attacks made by Iran on Iraq during the battles after that initial attack. And that is where the boyfriend bought it. He wasn't even allowed a weapon for fear he might try to use it on the other Iranians and try to join Iraq to get away.

So sorry that I might have misled you.

Rick and zappy are both trolls
They both come to squabble about men and party.

Absolute brain dead fools

talent scout
"Carter....set the stage for..."

I remember reading something about Iran-Contra a few years ago in a magazine. It involved Ronald Reagan usurping the Constitution of the United States of America. Congress is supposed to control the purse strings for the United States. Ronald Reagan thwarted it by trading arms to Iran for some cold cash that could then be transferred to the Contras in Nicaragua.

However, the article failed to mention the appeasement policy of Mr. Reagan. He GAVE the Islamic Republic of Iran fighter plane parts and other weaponry! How long do you think it took the Mullahs of Iran to figure out that the more hostages their various proxies took then the more weapons would be given to them?

Is it any wonder that the 1980's was a decade filled with Americans being taken hostage?

talent scout
"Carter...." set the stage for....Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini..Mahmoud Ahmadinejad."

Poor analysis, let's take a closer look.

I give Ronald Reagan a hearty job well done in having the 51 American hostages, held at the US embassy in Tehran, returned home safely.

However, he made a big mistake by having 241 U.S. Marines used as hostages in Beirut, Lebanon in October, 1983.

A bomb-laden truck, driven by a Shia Iran-sponsored terrorist drove into the U.S Marine base and killed 241 Americans. The Commander-in-Chief had given the order that the sentries protecting the base were forbidden, by formal "rules of engagement", to not have BULLETS in their rifles. A colossal blunder and we simply left Lebanon a few months later.

Reagan showed future Islamic leaders America is a quitter.





Sky Pete
I can't remember the nature of the referendum. The problem with the history of the coup is that it is clouded with uncertainty and contradictory information. It also is used as an excuse for all the bad government Iran has suffered since then. Shah bashing ignores the real progress that was made during his reign, and Shah worship ignores the SAVAK. I knew many Iranians who were against the Shah and then when the mullahs took charge, were even more against them. To repeat, it is not a simple matter with heroes and villains.

Robert...
Are you talking about the referendum that would abolish the Hadjis which were the constitutional prerogative of the Shah ( monarch ) ... when the monarch had been replaced

I will do due diligence on the matters you brought up. Thanks for pointing.

Mr. Norris
The majority of foreign policy heavyweights from previous administrations have said that Obama's response to the Iranian demostrations was just about right.

Such a relief from the Bush years which featured loud and belicose rhetoric accompanied by no action whatsoever.

This is a chess match Chuck. Let's not get too excited about Obama's first move.

Renny...

It is a over simplified romanticized myth that R. Reagan caused the collapse of the Soviet Union.

The Soviet Union collapsed because:

o The collective system of grain production could not keep up with demand as the population grew causing more and more grain to be imported which required Hard Cash. Hard Cash was obtained thru their oil resources.

o On September 13, 1985. On this date, Sheikh Ahmed Zaki Yamani, the minister of oil of Saudi Arabia, declared that the monarchy had decided to alter its oil policy radically. The Saudis stopped protecting oil prices, and Saudi Arabia quickly regained its share in the world market. During the next six months, oil production in Saudi Arabia increased fourfold, while oil prices collapsed by approximately the same amount in real terms.

o This collapse in Oil Prices by 3/4ths caused the financial infrastructure of the Soviet Union to unravel and it was unable to pay for foodstuffs or to subsidize it's satellite states.

I give Reagan credit for opposing the Soviets in Afghanistan. By drawing out that war it hastened collapse.

Research was done from archival documents obtained from the former Soviet Union.

It had very little to do with Reagan's bluster and threats or an increase in our military deterrent

I worked with an Iranian engineer
That was in the '80s, in this country. And guess what he had to say about living under the Shah?

Life was good then. The western ties were good. People were happy. There was good economy and jobs.

Then, the Shah got removed and Kohmehni came in. Life became terrible. People's lives were turned upsidedown. Iranians fled the country.

There you have it. It's not my opinion and it's not what Wikipedia said. It's from someone who lived there and experienced it.

Good job Carter!!

.45Caliber..
Iran DID NOT attack Iraq..

The war began when Iraq invaded Iran on 22 September 1980 following a long history of border disputes and fears of Shia insurgency among Iraq's long-suppressed Shia majority

The international community remained silent as Iraq used weapons of mass destruction against Iranian as well as Iraqi Kurds and it is believed that United States prevented the UN from condemning Iraq.

Jag CA

I think you are overlaying today's debate about Sharia Law on to the past.

What the Shah was doing - was forcing Iranians to abandon Islamic CULTURE by force of State Law.

And VERY IMPORTANTLY.....

Ironically..... Shi'ite Sharia Law was the Law for civil and domestic matters in Iran up until the 1979 Revolution.

Secondly.... the Shah was not overthrown by Religious Anything... he was overthrown by Students... The Ayatollah came in from exile and filled the Power Vacuum. He did NOT initiate the Revolution not the Embassy Takeover.... he just exploited it.

He permitted the hostage crisis to continue for 2 reasons:

1) It worked as leverage against the US Military coming in and taking over the country and installing someone else.

2) He feared that if he didn't allow the students to be satisfied then they would think that he was on America's side and would overthrow him before he even formed a government. As I recall they had NO DEMANDS and No One was executed; Women and minorities were immediately released.

3) There was a lot of hatred towards Carter for giving the Shah refuge. They wanted the Shah's HEAD and rightfully so.... He was as bad and as paranoid as Saddam Hussien

4) Since the Shah killed so many political adversaries the only people with clout to form a government were the exiled Religious scholars that opposed him from the start.

I've had a few Iranian friends that left after the revolution who told me that they were FOR the Revolution but were disappointed when the Mullacracy was the final result.

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JAG CA
I agree with your take on the Shah. My cousin was dating an Iranian student in the U.S. at the time. The Shah's government was paying him $60,000 a year to go to college here. He was always attending every demonstration against the Shah (wearing a mask of course) and complaining about him. When I mentioned that the Shah was giving his people a lot of the oil money, he responded by saying that ALL the money should be handed out to the people.

When the Shah was kicked out, he was delighted. The people would get all the money! Then he was recalled, along with all other students, to Iran. Six months later he smuggled out a letter to my cousin. He was horrified at what had happened in Iran and was desperately wanting to escape. He was in the army, along with all the other prior college students, and was to be used as a protection shield to the real army soldiers when they attacked Iraq. We never heard from him again.

45Caliber

I am well aware that the Federal Reserve is NOT Federal. It does whatever it likes, with ZERO input from the Feds.

Sadly, the Senated just refused to audit the books of the Federal Reserve.

Libs: Try finding the addresses and phone numbers of the Federal Reserve in the "blue pages" of the telephone book.

Say, "Hello!", to Weimar or Mugabe's Zimbabwe.

Robert:
One further thing about the Shah. The Saudi king stated, after the Shah was removed from power, that the Shah's mistake was in believing in his people and trying to share the wealth with them. If he had refused to send young people out for an education and had kept them virtually slaves he'd still be in power.

I suspect the King was right - although I respect the Shah for trying to help his people. This seems to have been forgotten by the media and the 'historians' who like to revise history in the years since then.

raffaella and others of like ilk:
My Grandmother told me when I was little that if I couldn't say something nice about someone to keep my mouth shut. I think it is excellent advice for you too. Too many of you young kids never seemed to have heard it.

renny:
After all the U.S. has done for the rest of the world, the sad part is that the rest of the world feels that the U.S. owes them everything we have given them and are giving them. They feel no need to repay us or owe us anything. If anything, they get angry if we don't give them more.

One of the reasons the Muslim nations consider us the "great Satan" is that we are wealthy and they are not. Since God (Allah) would want his faithful to have all the wealth, it must mean that we have 'stolen' all the wealth with Satan's help since we aren't Muslim too. So if we give them something, it is because it is Allah's will that we return the wealth they should actually have had instead of us. According to that belief, we owe them.

Sky Pete
Your post on Mossadeq and the Shah is a gross oversimplification of a much more complicated problem. By the time Mossadeq was overthrown, he was operating unconstitutionally and had stacked the parliament by concluding the voting as soon as his party had a quorum. He had also held a referendum where he received 99.3% of the vote! Rather unlikely. He was even more of a Westernizer than the Shah as well. His removal by the Shah was legal under the constitution that existed whether it was a questionable move or not.

This is not to praise the Shah (although his government was less repressive than its successor), but to point out the dangers of oversimplification and cliche attacks on 'Western imperialism' in place of real history, which tends to be much grimmer and gives us fewer simple heroes and villains.

ORGAONE - SC
Your reminder that Carter's constant refrain was "I deplore---" is similar to our current president. Have you noticed Obama's constant refrain?

Iran - I am concerned.
N. Korea - I am very concerned.
Honduras - I'm concerned.

I guess that is what his teleprompter tells him to say.

Paul:
I don't think anyone in the U.S. is really pushing to attack Iran. I know I certainly don't want to do it.

However, you seem to have bought into the myth that Israel can only do what the U.S. tells them to do. They are a seperate country. If they want to attack Iran there isn't really a lot we can do if we don't want to attack Israel. Whoever is pushing the idea that Israel must and does follow U.S. orders is nuts.

History - Omitted 2 !

The BIG mistake Jimmy Carter made was giving the Shah refuge once the Revolution started. That's what ignited the embassy takeover. In their eyes it made all of his overtures about human rights - moot; when protecting the very person who brutally repressed them.

The U.S. supported Saddam Hussein in his 8-year war against Iran in the 1980s-- when hundreds of thousands, some estimates say a million or more of Iranians were killed, some with chemical weapons.

With Chemicals provided by the United States care of Donald Rumsfield and R. Reagan

Joe, we don't compare to Rome
that lasted 1000 years.

We have had a little over 200 and were not a super power until after WW II.

Amerdica has freed nearly 2 billion people sincce our own Rev. War, and the world will miss us if we simply devolve into another socialist dump:

We freed ourselves, liberating 2,500,000 from imperial Britain, 1776.

Lincoln freed 3,940,000 slaves, 1863, and kept the nation one instead of the US of N. America and Confederacy of Southern States.

The US liberated 10-12,000,000 slaves in S. Am., when we won the Spn-Am War, 1898. All other slaves held in Spanish lands were also freed.

Twice, Americans saved Europe: 368,000,000 in 1918 and 738,000,000 in 1945. Then we rebuilt Europe with the Marshall Plan.

We gave 72,000,000 Japanese dem. capitalism instead of theocratic dictatorship in 1945.

The US with the UN saved 3,000,000 S. Koreans from Northern communism (and today starvation by the N.) in 1952.

Reagan brought down the Eastern European communist bloc and USSR communism in 1989, for the release of 300,000,000 and 287,000,000.

And we owe the Muslim world very little:
In 1997, we saved c. 1.4 million Muslim Serbs from genocide in 1997.

In the Middle East, America rescued 21,000,000 Kuwaitis in 1991, and 22,000,000 Afghanistans in 2003 and 24,000,000 Iraqis in 2003.

We have poured trillions into Saudi Arabia for oil, virtually support Egypt, and spend millions on the Palestinians.

When the 2005 tsunami hit Indonesia (the world's actual largest Muslim nation) and the Pacific Ocean, the ships and manpower that delivered aid and rescue were US military.

The entire globe cannot owe us or repay us enough.

TALENT SCOUNT - @ 12:58 am
Zbigniew Brzezinski was a guest on Charlie Rose's show a few nights ago and he went on and on about what a good job Obama was doing on foreign policy. He continued his spill about the global order for a peaceful world, but never said much about N. Korea's threats.

Listening to him, he reminded me a lot of George Soros. They both believe the USA is too powerful. Many people believe this until they need help to throw off the yoke of oppressors.







Democratically impose Sharia Law on an
entire country???? The shah was overthrown by a bunch of religious zealots who have proceeded to make Iran a intolerant hellhole for any freedom loving person.

Sky pete are you kidding. Since when can any country democratically elected or not impose their religion on an entire country. Without basic freedoms including a free press, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly and freedom of association there is nothing but dictatorship of a person or by the ruling mullahs in the case of Iran.

Carter's aiding and abetting the takeover of a country by freedom and America hating religious nuts did our country and world peace great harm.


Got that, Pete?????!!!!!

You cannot reason with unreasonable men.
Dictators are NEVER reasonable. Jimmy Carter got out of his depth just as soon as he left his peanut farm. I will never forget his constant refrain: "I deplore that--I deplore this!" after which, he then did absolutely NOTHING to change what he supposedly deplored...
I'm not saying he was a bad man--he was a good man by all accounts--just a very ineffectual President who did nothing.
BO is shrewd, cold, and calculating--and apparently believes that if he deals with the "bad guys" gently--they will allow him to remain the elitist he pictures himself as--when they take over. He is so very WRONG...
"Where's the Birth Certificate?"

I'm with the Ghost
Rick has turned mean spirited and has lost credibility. Now... Practicality. It is easy to judge our leaders boondogglings of the past. I am sure that all our leaders were all well motivated in their policy pursuits. The world is imperfect, and a) we never have perfect information. b) We rarely fully understand the other side's real agenda. c) We can't anticipate the unforeseeable. ... So, things stay screwed up. But... what we DO know is that a) USA is the most benevolent major power in the history of the earth. b) Evil is REAL, and their are evil people in the world who control whole countries, and the way that many people in those countries think. c) Evil has its own agenda that is incompatible with the USA.

SO... forget the past mistakes. EVERYTHING in the past is riddled with mistakes. Yes Carter screwed up ...Yes Reagan Clinton and Bushes screwed up. Here is the unpleasant truth as born out be the totality of human history. If the good guys do not kill the bad guys... then many many people suffer. Compassion is to very intentionally go after the bad guys BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY, We could end this ALL in a year with courageous leadership, with a clear vision of good and evil.

I think of the detination of Mr. Kadaffi's abode and the tragic death of his precious granddaughter. The result was a Lybian retreat from the front lines of terrorism.

A ew courageous phone calls with the appropriate point made can save millions of lives.

St. Denis:
Wilson may have set up the Federal Reserve, but FDR basically gave it to private owners. He selected five families to take it over and run it when the U.S. declared bankruptcy in the 1930s. (One of course was his.) All sold their shares to the Rothchilds in the Netherlands over the years. So the Federal Reserve is NOT Federal and is owned entire by foreign investors.

History - Omitted !
What Chuck doesn't tell us:

After centuries of rule by monarchs known as the shahs, Iran was moving toward western-style democracy. But our CIA helped get rid of Iran's 1st democratically elected leader with a coup in favor of the son of the previous Shah, who became known for repressing his people.

The Shah tried his best to force a Western culture on his people and took steps to ban things that were considered Islamic - like continuing the banning of the veil instituted by his father.
They revolted in 1979.

This was done because that DEMOCRATICALLY elected leader wanted to nationalize its oil resources such that Iran itself could profit from them instead of Western companies that were getting the Lion's share.

I find it difficult to grasp how a President's push for human rights and against repression is considered a bad thing. The Shah would not have needed to be overthrown if he wasn't forced on the people in the first place.

Got that , Chuck ?


re: ClownBama!!!
You know what, this is what people should be thinking about when the polls open in 2010!!! Because these same people sure didn't use their grey matter when it came to voting for this clown!!! Heck, you still got people thinking that this idiot is going to put gas in their cars and such!!! No, Cubbies this is one ANGERY guy who hates every thing about America!!! Confusus says,"A picture is worth a thousand words!!" Yesiree, he is out to "RESHAPE" America into a Socialist country with no personal freedoms what so ever!!! IT IS HAPPING RIGHT BEFORE YOUR EYES AND IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT THEN YOU ARE DRINKING A KOOL-ADE DRINK!!! Y0U BETTER GET OUT AND CHANGE THIS IN 2010 OR YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT ANOTHER COUNTRY FOR RESIDENCE!!!

Hal Donahue
I was told one time that the relationship of politics to military is that politics is diplomacy on credit while military is diplomacy with hard cash.

Oh, the irony!
The lies and half truths in this article are truly astounding. (Ahmadinejad is not a dictator. He never said he wanted to "wipe Israel of the face of the map." Iran does not have an atomic weapons program. etc.)But what's interesting in these articles is that the very same people who claim to want freedom for Iran also want to attack it. Did it ever occur to you dolts that attacking Iran will result in the deaths of thousands of freedom lovers in Iran and result in even deeper hatred for the American government in that land? It is very hard to love a country and embrace its values when its air force just killed your kid.
Mr. Norris should stick to making cartoonish "action movies".

The Coming Storm In Iran

This article describes the situation in Iran completely:

http://pajamasmedia.com/michaelledeen/2009/07/05/the-storm- ahead/

Obama is not even in league with European leaders.

I would suggest that he read "The Gathering Storm" by Sir Winston Churchill.

.45 cal
The reason LOTM must buy his friends is that he knows no other way. I doubt that the man has ever had a true friend...he wouldn't know one if it bit him on the leg. Having no real man in his life during his formative years he was never taught the important things: how to live, how to treat others, how to *be* a friend much less how to make friends. Perhaps the absentee father fell down on the job? Regardless, if one knows not how to make friends, then that same One comes of age in Chicago, it stands to reason that buying "friendship" would serve. To a lonely child negative attention is preferrable to no attention. I am NOT defending the man...his policies are indefensible. Merely giving my take on how he became what he is: The loner with no friends who almost certainly spent a large portion of his Junior High School years stuffed in his locker (D'you suppose that's where he first met Harry Reid?). He is out to get even with the world, starting with the U.S.A.

You almost had me, Rick...
I was reading your posts and they seemed to make some sense... but then you suddenly turned rabid and now I question everything you stated. If you want to come here and make a rebuttal to the article, then that is great and I'll read and consider it. However, as soon as you (or any of the others) start slandering the good people on this site, I will no longer acknowledge the things you say. So, do you actually want to educate and enlighten? Or do you simply want to destroy and degrade? If you ever want to make any difference in this world, I suggest the former.

Rick
I agree with Susan...the Blob IS breaking this country. Don't you know that in order to create a socialist or communist country, you must first break the present government and, essentially the country?

Try reading Beck's "Common Sense" or Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism"...then open your mouth. Until you're educated to how things are done, you need not criticize the idea that he IS destroying America.

Liberal Foreign Policy =
That Cherished Liberal Value of Cowardice.

rafaella
You wrote:
"The GOP hates celebrities!
So why do they allow this crap on their site? Is it because Norris is a celeb and they really DO crave Hollywood, and that they are hideously hypocritical?? Why, yes."

First of all, Chuck Norris has been a long standing vocal patriot, just like others before him. Charlton Heston and Jimmy Stewart come to mind.Secondly, this question is crap only in your eyes. Many Republicans are asking the same question and the subject matter needs to be explored, hopefully with out your help.

Obama is no Carter
Obama's intention is to destroy America, enslave it's people, and make himself the Supreme Ruler.

Carter is just a stupid man.

Jimmy Obama
Oh man, Chuck. You're just scratching the surface. The BOTH hate the Jews. They BOTH distrust the Military, and don't know when, where, or how to deploy them. They BOTH think that we DON'T NEED OIL. Carters' was 'Synthetic Fuels', and Jesus Jr. has his 'RENEWABLES'. And NIETHER OF THEM, knows anything about the ECONOMY. I know that History Repeats itself, but this is ridiculous. Pathetic.

Sorry

For 2x posts.

King Obamaf^ck? I Think Not.
Obama's Tsars NOW outnumber the flavors offered at Baskin and Robbins.

Anyone want to guess what FDR called his Tsars?

DICTATORS.

Why Congress has tacitly allowed the Executive Branch to neuter it? I will never know.

One Newsweek cover had Obama with cigarette in mouth the title was: "Better Than FDR, Cooler Than JFK." Another cover said: "We are all Socialists Now". It editor referred to Obama as GOD.

And, then there's the MSNBC reporter at the White House. His ringtone interrupted a recent press conference. If it rings like a duck, you can call MSNBC, an Obamaf^ck.

After six days of wall-to-wall coverage of the death of the King of Pop, Obama will be pleased once burial at Forest Lawn and the Memorial Service at the Staple's Center is done.

My darlings, beginning with Theodore Roosevelt, Progressivism has had one goal - the destruction of the US Constitution.

Is the Federal Reserve (a Wilson) creation, legal? Absolutely not. Further, its intention is to prevent a Boom and Bust economy. Stalin learned that this was quite impossible.

Now, you can asked me where I plan to be in two weeks, but hurricanes have a funny way of getting in the way of my best, laid plans.

Collectivism has never worked and often leads in death.

There is a reason for the existence of the 22nd Amendment. America should not be Amerika.

Repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments.

Kill the Federal Reserve.

Just say "NO" to TYRANTS!

who made you an expert
this is what happens when you start believing your movies are real. Hey Chuck, why not do a delta force operation in Iran. lets see how long you would last.

Being Liked
Why is it important to some people that they must be liked? Even if they go broke - or break everyone else - trying to buy someone's friendship?

Personally, if it requires that I buy someone's friendship, it isn't friendship. Further, why would I want to ignore or reject those who really want to be friends so I can attempt to get enemies to say they like me. I'd much prefer to be respected than liked. And I wouldn't get as many requests for loans that no one has any intention of repaying.

Meddling

I suppose that Israel, Honduras, Georgia, etc., do not count. Right, Rick?

King Obamaf^ck
Obama's Tsars NOW outnumber the flavors at Baskin and Robbins.

Why Congress has tacitly allowed the Executive Branch to neuter it? I will never know.

One Newsweek cover had Obama with cigarette in mouth the title was: "Better Than FDR, Cooler Than JFK." Another cover said: "We are all Socialists Now". And more, its editor referred to Obama as GOD.

And, then there's the MSNBC reporter at the White House. His ringtone interrupted a recent press conference. If it rings like a duck, you can call MSNBC, an Obamaf^ck.

After six days of wall-to-wall coverage of the death of the King of Pop, Obama will be pleased once burial at Forest Lawn and the Memorial Service at the Staple's Center is done.

Anyone want to guess what FDR called his Tsars?

DICTATORS.

My darlings, beginning with Theodore Roosevelt, Progressivism has had one goal - the destruction of the US Constitution.

Is the Federal Reserve (a Wilson) creation, legal? Absolutely not. Further, its intention is to prevent a Boom and Bust economy. Stalin learned that this was impossible.

Now, you can asked me where I plan to be in two weeks, but hurricanes have a funny way of getting in the way of my best, laid plans.

Collectivism has never worked and often leads in death.

There is a reason for the existence of the 22nd Amendment. America should not be Amerika.

Repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments.

Darrell
"Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 9:11 AM EST
Rick
Are you by any chance related to Hal Donnahue from Pa? You completely misunderstood me. I know our military is capable of winning it's just that the politicians wouldn't let them..."

The use of the military IS politics. Make no mistake the military is a political and foreign policy tool. Politicians are supposed to set the rules and goals that is their job. Our only desire was for a politician to not sell our lives cheaply.

Carter Deja Vu`
Having taught a collegiate level course on the presidency in the 20th and 21st centuries, I have no doubt that years from now people will judge Jimmy Carter as one of the WORST presidents we have ever had (one could argue that judgment has already been made). Chuck Norris hits the nail on the head when he writes that Carter tried to pacify everyone and as a result, was inept at his job!

I fear we will
all reap what Obama sows.

One reason Obama got elected, if I read the stats correctly, is because SO MANY people in our country today DO NOT remember what the country was like under Carter.

My daughters, both in their mid thirties, were born in the mid 1970’s, so they clearly can’t remember. All those young people who supposedly voted for Obama are in the same situation. They think they had trouble under Bush. If they could have remembered Carter, they would have thought the Bush years were pretty great.

Real trouble is when you have 18% interest on home loans, 20% unemployment, zero growth and runaway inflation all combined with energy rationing and wage and price freezes. Yes, it was a wonderful time. Add to that the Middle East made the great American Satin look like an elf in Santa’s workshop in their taking of hostages. Those Iran terrorists had great fun making a mockery of America, and poor Jimmy was scared $hitless. He just COULD NOT figure out what to do.

In spite of all this, I believe Obama will surpass him as the most destructive American president ever.

Rick
Are you by any chance related to Hal Donnahue from Pa? You completely misunderstood me. I know our military is capable of winning it's just that the politicians wouldn't let them. The statement of speaking softly and carrying a big stick actually means diplomacy first and force as a last resort.
Try reading with perception. Geeze!

Chuck, I quote you "I think what Iranian
need is a new government in Tehran -- and not just Mir Hossein Mousavi versus Ahmadinejad. They need a regime change and an overthrow of the 1979 Islamic revolution. They need a truly representative form of government."
and I say to you "I think what the US needs is a new government in DC -- and not just Democrats versus Republicans. We need a regime change and an overthrow of the good ole boy club. We need a truly representative form of government"
Let us hope that we will at least be able to reverse the damage we are about to receive from Carter #2.


Rick and His Insults
So Rick you don't think spending is out of control, you don't care about government getting so huge that they take over banks, investment firms, a car industry, health care. You don't see a power grab here. You are content with all the jobs lost? I am puzzeled, you think this guy is doing a great job yet Bush was condemed for spending a hell of lot less. You don't think this country could be taken from within? That is why it could people like you that don't see anything wrong, Just Words, and you don't mind that your kids will work a lifetime paying this debt. And we are not even in the first year of this administration and he is not by any means done spending your money. And Rick do you really think that a smile and a handshake will get points with the mid east. They hate us and Obama giving them a sweet smile will not make them like us, it is our freedom they hate so he will have to show them he is changing our freedom then they will like him.

Bulldog, there's no defending the
Revelutionary Guard going on.

No one is negotiating that the idiot who Stole the Iranian election is legitimate or worthy. Getting rid of him and his disgusting methods would give all pleasure. But, Chuck is trying to tell a big lie. He's trying to blame Carter for the 1979 Revolution. That's wrong and it's Republican politics to lie and obfuscate facts for political gain.

Swiftboaters must drown!!!

Funny fished54
Trolls rule the bridges. So you lost the election and your ability to go from place to place making 'funny'.


Chuckie
"...And who's to thank for Ahmadinejad's rise to power? Among the primary contributors is Jimmy Carter's "fight for human rights" with the shah and Iran..."

Did I miss something? Didn't Reagan follow Carter? Didn't he even provide military aid to Iran? Let's be honest here, by creating a very real external threat to Iran, a strong argument can be made that th