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Tuesday, March 24, 2009
Chuck Norris :: Townhall.com Columnist
Mexico, Mafias and Baggy Borders
by Chuck Norris
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Do you ever wonder how we can conquer the Middle East but can't close our own borders?

In the news just this past week was this small sampling of headlines: "Locals, Feds Prepare for Any Escalation of Mexican Border Violence"; "(New Mexico) delegation asks for border task force"; "Texas lawmakers angered by border security money being spent in other regions"; "U.S. Sues Railroad Over Smugglers"; "Border drain open for hours before 8 entered it."

More than 7,000 lives have been lost in Mexico's drug wars in just the past 14 months. Nine in 10 guns recovered from those crime scenes have come from the United States. Border towns are experiencing outrageous escalations in crime, including more than 300 drug-related kidnappings in Phoenix alone in 2008. (Most involved Mexican immigrants with ties to drug cartels.)

Isn't it time we finally built a wall that works? Isn't it time for us to quit restricting our border agents by granting illegals more rights than our citizens? Isn't it time we post military personnel at particularly hot illegal crossings?

Instead of shifting tens of millions of dollars from investigating employers guilty of hiring illegal immigrants to fighting Mexican drug cartels, the Obama administration should leave that money alone and hunt down the $100 million-plus that AIG executives robbed from taxpayers for their bonuses.

We don't need a government study on Mexican border safety conducted by newly installed Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano. We need action now!

Congress authorized a border fence in 2005. That was four long years ago, for anyone bad at basic math. It approved $2.6 billion for border enhancement, but we still have illegals and contraband crossing our borders like gnats through a screen.

I opposed the amnesty bill introduced in the Senate in 2007. But I supported Congress' roughly $3 billion directed to building up border security -- money used to train and deploy 23,000 more agents, build 700 miles of fence and 300 miles of vehicle barriers, add four drone airplanes, and erect 105 radar and camera towers.

Homeland Security has made some headway in securing our borders. But our nation's boundaries, ports and airports remain largely open runways for illegal and terrorist transport. Sen. Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico reminded his constituents of that very fact when he described another type of illegal crossing: people going from the United States to Mexico. It appears drug cartels are again using revenue derived from their "free trade" to purchase weapons illegally in the United States and smuggle them back into Mexico. As a result, murder rates have shot up more than 100 percent in certain towns.

One of the aspects of illegal immigration often overlooked is the effect it has on the 30,000 street gangs, which have up to 1 million members, in the United States. The gang considered the most dangerous is the MS-13, which has ties to the Mexican Mafia. It is estimated at 10,000 members, many of whom are illegals. Seven hundred MS-13 members were arrested by law enforcement in 2005. According to The Washington Times, MS-13 is believed to have a major smuggling operation that transports drugs, firearms and people. What's even more alarming is that in 2005, the Honduran security minister and the president of El Salvador warned that MS-13 was in talks with al-Qaida to transport terrorists into our country! With MS-13 currently in 44 states, we must secure the borders now. (Seventy percent of the kids in our martial arts public school program, KICKSTART, are Latinos, and gangs constantly are trying to recruit them. But we will not allow anyone to participate in the program if he is a part of any gang. KICKSTART has provided young people with an alternative to and a safe haven from gangs, and that is one more reason I believe the KICKSTART program should be in every state across the nation.

Exacerbating the border crisis is the fact that there continues to be a shortage of Border Patrol agents and other government security officials. The Homeland Security Department still is trying to fill the 138 vacancies in high-level jobs it had in 2007 -- an employment crisis that it calls "a critical homeland security issue that demands immediate attention." And that crisis will continue until we increase the pay and benefits for border agents. I believe this so strongly that I have done public service announcements encouraging their enlisting.

I was reminded of their need for a salary increase when I was on the campaign trail with Mike Huckabee. We stopped in Laredo, Texas, and met with the Border Patrol. They gave us a tour of the area and explained to us what their operations were there. One of the Border Patrol agents and I struck up a conversation. As we were talking, I asked him whether his pay as a Border Patrol agent is adequate. He said that in certain states he gets by, but while stationed in California, he had to split rent with two other agents in order to afford the cost of living. I didn't ask how much his salary was, but I always have felt that law enforcement officials from every branch are underpaid for the responsibility they have in protecting us. If we expect to attract and maintain quality personnel, then state and federal governments need to work together to make being a border agent more financially appealing.

Now more than ever, we must protect our borders and sovereignty. So far, our government has failed to produce suitable solutions to securing our borders and stopping illegal immigration. Amnesty is not the answer. And immigration laws aren't effective if we continue to allow them to be dodged or ignored. Furthermore, globalization efforts have only confused security matters, further endangering our borders, as well as our national identity -- our sovereignty.

And the question that keeps coming back to my mind is this: How is it that we can militarily overthrow a tyrant, such as Saddam Hussein in Iraq, yet we can't keep illegals from crossing our borders? As Mike Huckabee says, "If the government can't track illegals, then let's outsource the job to UPS or FedEx." It's true. If they can track lost packages anywhere in the world within minutes, they certainly can track down and keep track of illegals.

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Ok . I'll bite
Since when did 'We' ever 'conquer the Middle East'? let's start there,shall we? It appears to me-and most voters- that 'we'have conquered nobody and our failed economic system is evidense that wars of agression and occupation drain needed resourses for our Homeland. An economy based on killing people and Empire will doom US all. Mr.Norris is a rich movie star who will profit from the fear he posits. He is a fraud.

good post mr norris
I wrote a post that I believe our border is like the Maginot line, but instead of the German army coming at us, it's illegals and criminals.

I have taken the border patrol test and am currently awaiting my test results. I hope to stop some very bad people coming in.

David from Fl, your confusing our empire with the USSR. Thought I'd point that out to you.

Bravo!
"Now more than ever, we must protect our borders and sovereignty."
- - -
Border Enforcement + Immigration Moratorium = Job, Crime & Eco Sanity

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"Mafia"
Fabius,
While it is true that the articule did not refer to the "traditional" Mafia, I would point you to the tenth paragraph, second sentence: "The gang considered the most dangerous is the MS-13, which has ties to the Mexican Mafia."
There is your mafia referance.
Please try to refrain from being quite so ethnically challenged.

Outsourcing To UPS Or FEDEX!
Or what about Walker, Texas Ranger give him the job.
Very funny Chuck, however, you've got to be careful when indicting illegals by pointing out stats like seven hundred MS-13 members were arrested in 2005, you may be branded a racist or just politically insensitive to the plight of these honorable individuals who are only coming here to do jobs most Americans won't do.
Chuck like the illegal lobby says seven hundred tops out of 12 to 15 million not even worth mentioning.
So Chuck, off to racial sensitivity training you go, and don't forget, when you're done with that, our Black Attorney General might call you a coward and we wouldn't want that would we, so get ready for that national dialogue on race pronto and forget about the fence and the border thingy's. The fact that MS-13 was talking to Al Quaida about transporting terrorist into this country is just creating a hostile atmosphere and the selling of fear to the American people according to the illegal lobby.
Hey Chuck, Jan Napolitano calling for an independent study is just her Hermes scarves wearing, government dime frequent flyer miles flying, house speaker queen bee, Nancy barking in her ear to delay, delay, delay, all things immigration policy, while they try to resurrect the antiquated amnesty bill with some teeth this time championed by newly appointed BPOTUS.

borders
Ummmm Chuck, you know the answer to your question already.

Chuck your ilk created this mess
"...Isn't it time we finally built a wall that works? Isn't it time for us to quit restricting our border agents by granting illegals more rights than our citizens? Isn't it time we post military personnel at particularly hot illegal crossings?..."

Now you want military deployed across American communities? You want no tightening of gun sales or drug sales fueling the violence. THEN you complain of poor pay LMAO.

Accept responsibility for all you have wrought. Conservatives created The immigration challenge by not enforcing regulations against hiring them. I know it is difficult but try and think out of the box. It may well come to military temporarily on the border but this is a situation we, the nation, created

Bonuses
Don't get too hostile about the AIG bonuses. They were retention incentives for managers tasked with dumping toxics. They got rid of about $1 Trillion, which is a 6000:1 payoff. Quite a bargain, IMO.

No problem, move to the border area
Anyone who believes there is not a problem needs to move to the border.
The corrupt Mexican government had a BIG hand in creating this mess.
And our lame, politically correct government has ignored this problem, and continues to ignore it, to get cheap labor.
The American people who live on the border are getting raped.
Our corrupt legal system and the ACLU aid these criminals every chance they get.

a concurrent, apropos post here

Justin Location: IN

Date: Mar 23, 2009 - 5:15 PM EST

Solutions
Step 1: Recall ALL soldiers stationed overseas. This includes Iraq, Afghanistan, South Korea and Germany.

Step 2: Position all these recalled soldiers across the southern US border with shoot to kill orders on anyone that fails to respond to orders to turn back.

Step 3: Take the logistics savings (tune of $150 billion) from bringing all these soldiers back and build a 15 foot thick concrete wall across the entire US-Mexico border with reinforced guard towers every 200 yards (100 yard firing arc for guards, highly reliable with a small arm M-16).

Step 4: Initiate an immigration policy in-line with nations like New Zealand or Singapore. Basically, we only import labor that is deemed in short supply in the USA. They do not import unskilled or uneducated foreign nationals in those nations and it is unsurprising that neither of them have the same degree of welfare pervasiveness that we do.

There, I've offered the solution. I've found ways to pay for the entire thing as well without raising taxes a penny (and long-term lowering taxes), now tell me I'm just whining.

the ObaMessiah's stratagem


Watch the Chosen One press for Scamnesty promptly using the hackneyed artful line, "bringing people out of the shadows," under the guise of getting ILLEGALS to help fight drug cartels... that is like treating the leukemia patient with an injection of cancer cells so he won't die of leukemia!

As a dedicated soldier in the fight to save America from myopic, beleaguered acceptance of the ILLEGAL invasion, I surely appreciate the frustration of the majority of Americans (70%+) with quisling politicians.

HOWEVER, the fight is NOT lost!!!
We stopped Kennedy-McCain Scamnesty, then killed the disingenuous "Dream Act," a liberal gambit to give ILLEGALS a free community college education and thence a path to citizenship, and blue state N.Y. stanched the guvner Spitzer's scheme to give ILLEGALS licenses, which 77% of Americans oppose per Rasmussen (because licenses are a step toward voting and scamnesty).

Join the fight, Middle America to save YOUR COUNTRY!!!!!!!!

The BEST group to assist you is Numbers USA... several senators agreed that they were the group most responsible for stanching Kennedy-McQuisling Scamnesty:

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/

They have targeted e-mails and messages for Congress, OR you can contact Congress directly at the official sites right here:

http://www.congressmerge.com/

BOOKMARK it, and rattle those cages in Congress often! Save YOUR country before it is too late!

Blue dog Çrats (e.g., Heath Shuler) are already starting to resist the ObaMessiah and the hard left-- hope is NOT lost, BUT it WILL require dedication from Middle America!

Two Things
First, only 1% of guns captured in Mexico can be traced. Of the 1%, 90% come from the U.S. How many of those were traced to the Mexican Army or police is unknown. You can't buy fully-automatic AK-47s, rocket-propelled grenades (or the hand-thrown kind), or .50 cal. machine guns at gun shows or gun stores here in the U.S. Check your sources, Chuck! It is not factual that 9 out of 10 come illegally from the U.S. But, I sure agree that none should - where is the outgoing border security?

Second, the greatest danger to the U.S. (not minimizing the others) is when the Government of Mexico collapses. Then we can expect 50 million or so more Mexicans flooding across our borders demanding refugee status- and food, shelter, medical care and spending money for beer. What is our plan to repel this kind of invasion? We clearly have had no plan to stop the 20 million or so already here. Mexico's problems need to stay in Mexico, and their citizens already here need to return home to help solve them. Any U.S. aid needs to be supplied south of our border - not on this side of it! It will likely take deadly force to stop the masses. Have we the guts to defend our own national security by using it? Our economy and infrastructure will be destroyed if we don't use all necessary force.

why sanctuary cities?


When the ILLEGAL alien employer lobbies buy the right pols, we end up with "sanctuary cities": polities willfully violating federal and state laws, and common sense and decency, so taxpayers/citizens can subsidize miscreant employers with "cheap" labor whose all-in costs to society will prove staggering and enervating/crippling.

The ILLEGAL aliens flow like bugs to a light-- it makes sense from THEIR perspective when they can earn 10x what they can in Mexico, whose corrupt government instructs them on how to exploit America... how to tap into welfare, especially upon pushing out an "anchor baby"-- the magic ticket.

When our citizens become aware of the scams at hand, as with Kennedy-McAmnesty last year or the Dream Act (which would have given ILLEGALS college tuition money and led to citizenship) in 2008, the body politic becomes righteously indignant and roils at Congress and other quisling pols.

But the Conspiracy Of Evil represents moneyed, determined forces which want to use ILLEGALS for different self-aggrandizing ends, though ILLEGALS are inimical to the best socio-economic interests of the great majority, and to America as a nation.

See further posts to follow with more details and ways that YOU can get involved to save your country. We MUST keep after the pols at ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT to stop the limited special interests from selling out America for self-enrichment/aggrandizement.

how the invading Mexicans see it

a recent post here about
how Mexicans view their ILLEGAL incursion into America, which has been aided and abetted by open border NAU quislings Presidente Jorge Bush, Amnesty John McCain and the Chamber lobbies-- and of course by the big entitlement govt. voter-seeking left like the ObaMessiah:

(slight editing below for clarity)

**********************************************
(post from a Mexifornia resident)

My Take--

I have many Hispanic friends, and I speak enough Spanish to understand practically all of what I hear. This is what I have found:

Mexicans truly believe that California and much of the U.S. western states were wrongly taken from Mexico. This is THEIR land-- their ancestors were here first, and some can trace their ancestry back to before their land was taken away. Hence, the Reconquista (re-taking, or re-conquering) agenda.

Mexican ILLEGALS truly believe that the U.S. liberals stupidly passed the laws that give them all the freebies: free health care, zero will to enforce immigration laws (cannot ask a Hispanic person for immigration status), and others... and all those laws are there for them. If not for them, then why were they passed?!

The also know that their rate of having children is far greater than that of Anglos. They understand that it is only a matter of time before they become the majority of the voting populace because they are willing to have children/nino's.

From the border war zone
concurrent post from the war zone
(slight edit)

anderson659
Location: AZ

Date: Mar 19, 2009 - 4:08 PM EST

Living in Arizona in the Phoenix metro area, we have more kidnappings than any other place on earth except Mexico city.

We also have uniformed hit squads of ILLEGAL aliens carrying out murders. We have ILLEGALS who have purchased homes with just a T.I.N number, obtained a mortgage, and now have cashed out and left the tax payer holding the bag... BY the thousands of homes.

Recent count of inmates booked into Maricopa County jail since late 2007 that are ILLEGALS is well over 20,000

Illegals are NOT simply doing the jobs Americans don't want. They are being used as cheap labor. Basically the employers who hire them are cheating everyone.

A raid at a water park last year netted a dozen or so. Within three days the positions were filled with legal Americans who took those jobs.

The same with raids all over the Phoenix valley. You cannot get a legal American child into Head Start by my home because all slots have been filled with ILLEGAL aliens.

The Maricopa County hospital on any given weekend is filled to the brim with people who are ILLEGAL, need treatment and cannot pay for it.

Legal Americans who are poor are left out.

In southern Arizona emergency clinics are closing and some are going bankrupt because they do not have enough paying customers to keep the doors open. ILLEGALS use them as their own private health plan.

The Maricopa County sheriff is being witch hunted for doing his job and deporting ILLEGAL aliens.

ILLEGAL aliens are simply cheating legal immigrants. Condoning the practice is without substance or merit.

Mexico's # 1 export?
CRIME!
One of the most disingenuous ploys of their apologists is the mythology that ILLEGAL alien laborers are simply good, hard-working people just trying to get along and, "just doing those jobs Americans won't do"-- as if we only benefit from their being here.

First artful ruse debunked-- they DO DISPLACE Americans in decent-paying construction and food processing jobs that Americans will DEFINITELY DO.

By definition, ALL ILLEGALS who work here are committing identify fraud and usually also tax fraud at a minimum. As soon as they seek medical care and other social services, they are breaking the law again.

The correlation between Hispanic ILLEGALS and serious crimes is high-- about 3 times that of the native population, and drugs and gangs permeate with them like an insidious plague.

A key verity-- TRUE enforcement of EXISTING LAWS would go a long way to returning many ILLEGALS where they cannot commit crimes at the expense of American taxpayers.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51259
http://www.milnet.com/mex-nat.html
http://immigration.procon.org/
http://www.protectourusa.com/
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_ill egalsandcrime
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1738432/posts
http://www.newswithviews.com/Kouri/jim62.htm

Fabius
Come off it, already.

The mafia in its heyday was Italian. Those of us worried about crime realize that the Mafia is no more representative of decent Italians than McVeigh or Teddy the Swimmer are typical Irish.

And your math. 5000/26,000,000 = 1/5000 = 1/50 of a per cent = 0.02 %, not 0.0025%. I could make some joke about Italian engineering, but it would be misleading becasue all the Italian engineers i have worked with were more than competent.

An acolyte went up the mountain to his guru and asked if there was a heaven. Indeed yes, said the Master. In heaven the cops are British, the cooks are French, the mechanics are German the lovers are Italian, and everything is organized by the Swiss. But beware of HeII, Cricket. In HeII, the cooks are British, the cops are German, the mechanics are French, the lovers are Swiss, and everything is organized by the Italians. I am of German extraction, and American through and through. Americans accept their acquaintances one by one, respecting their heritage, but judging by the individual.

FANTASTIC links at Norris WND
At least 12 great resource web links in his World Net Daily version of same article http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=92561

Chuck's "Black Belt Patriotism"
EXCELLENT column Mr. Norris. For those who want to read "the rest of the story," see how Chuck says we can re-establish morality and civility in our land as America's Founders did in the chapter "From here to eternity" in his new NY Times best seller, "Black Belt Patriotism." See dozens of 5-star ratings at Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Black-Belt-Patriotism-Reawaken-Ameri ca/dp/1596985585/ref=cm_rna_own_review_prod

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Texans
Hmmm I am thinking that from watching all the extreme posters from TX on TH that the illegals may well be doing a public service to the nation by increasing Hispanic culture in Texas. From what I can see Hispanic culture is far superior to the culture of extreme fundamentalist conservatives and my even be more traditionally American

Mexico/US Border Security
Mr. Norris,
You noted in your posting that there are 138 unfilled high-level DHS positions left over from 2007. You also talk about trying to recruit border agents. Besides the pay, why would people want to work for an agency that abandons their people for doing the job they have sworn to do? When the government abandon Campion and Ramos they showed the shallowness of their commitment to border security.
Dan

The Conspiracy of Evil

The biggest challenge to stopping ILLEGAL aliens is that the money and organization (hence power) is mainly on the pro-ILLEGAL side. The pro-ILLEGAL forces include an unlikely, strange bedfellow alliance between groups which want to USE them in different ways--> the Conspiracy Of Evil.

Miscreant employers obviously simply want to exploit their labor-- never mind the myriad, egregious socio-economic problems they foist on America... hence, their all-in costs to society are immense and snowballing. Furthermore, the "savings" to miscreant employers are pocketed by them --> your hotel room or head of lettuce is NO cheaper to YOU.

The PC left wants to get ILLEGALS voting and seize permanent control for leftist "elites" via yet more inexorable big entitlement government... power flows to statist 'Crats/the left when YOUR tax $ flows to Washington. Try to find a liberal who does not really favor scamnesty, while feigning talk about enforcement first.

The scandal-plagued Catholic Church needs replacement bodies for the pews; and ILLEGALS can put more in the collection plates in America than in Mexico... the Church still has mega-millions to pay out for priest perversion (after deciding to forgive each priest one act of perversion-- Jesus!):

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jul/15/local/me-priests15

Ethnocentric Hispanic groups really do want an effective Reconquista, so they hide behind claims of racism and pleas for PC multiculturalism and one world, NWO kumbaya.

http://www.illegalaliens.us/aztlan.htm
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/mexico_immigration/2007/09 /28/36496.html?s=al&promo_code=3A98-1
http://www.libertygunrights.com/NAUFactSheet.pdf

Finally, the remote elites, including the liberal MSM, do not see what all the fuss is about. Besides, they LIKE their cheap ILLEGAL maids and yard-workers, and THEIR children will not have to go to schools enervated by "those people."


Our biggest potential ally
in the battle against amnesty for illegal aliens is the falling economy. As soon as our legal unskilled entry level workers realize they are being kept from jobs, and wages for these jobs lowered by aliens, the clamor for enforcement of immigration law should increase. The rub(s): First we must suppose these people want a job; second we must suppose they can be educated. Admittedly, many have failed to meet these simple requirements thus far. My faith in Americans has taken some seriouos shocks lately, but i haven't given up completely......yet.

Politicians Vie for Votes
One of the main reasons we haven't won the gang wars, illegal immigration wars etc., is that our politicians in Washington care more about their images and the number of votes that they can vie for. They are afraid that they are going to offend someone.
Instead, the Govt. and the poiticians need to take a stand for our citizens safety. If they continue to do nothing, then the problem is only going to get worse. Because of Mexico's ignorance now the country is having massive violence problems.
Do we really want to start looking like Mexico?

Chuck's chaplain?! Laus Deo?
Fascinating story how he led the "Laus Deo" crusade for Christian revisionist changes at the Washington Monument and others. See his story and FOXNEWS clip at http://www.nationaltreasures.org/CR_MonOmi.html

Illegal Immigration
Congress is unwilling to act to curb illegal entry into the U.S. We the people are responsible because we continue to elect those who continue to ignore us. The vote is still our strongest power and most of us that could don't. I applaud those who want jobs and are willing to work for those jobs as they would ordinarily go unfulfilled as many Americans feel part of their entitlements is not working. We have become a nation of sheep easily satisfied with our cable TV and entitlements.

Teresa
"Date: Mar 24, 2009 - 8:48 AM EST
Politicians Vie for Votes
One of the main reasons we haven't won the gang wars, illegal immigration wars etc., is that our politicians in Washington care more about their images and the number of votes that they can vie for. They are afraid that they are going to offend someone..."

WOW that pesky democracy and freedom everyone gets a vote. I guess that is why conservatives want to restrict access to the vote?

"..Instead, the Govt. and the poiticians need to take a stand for our citizens safety. If they continue to do nothing, then the problem is only going to get worse..."

Ahh the Cheney approach - trade freedom for supposed safety

"...Because of Mexico's ignorance now the country is having massive violence problems.
Do we really want to start looking like Mexico?.."

Question is the per capita murder/death rate exceeding that of the US yet? I mean we do hold an awful lot of developed nations' records for violence. Just a question I am not certain of the answer

Illegal aliens are
a damaging burden for almost all Americans. Who benefits? Follow the money. Employers benfit directly. They lobby to convince politicians who have power to affect law enforcement to enforce the law in such a way as to continue the benefits. What is the most effective lobbying tool. Campaign contributions. Some cynical people consider this scenario to be no better than bribery, and i am delighted Dumbo has unequivocably declared lobyists will have no influence or representation in his administration.

persecuting Compean and Ramos
Irrespective of their specific actions, we must ask WHY the Justice Dept./U.S. Attorney and Dubya crony Johnny Sutton would have pursued border agents Compean and Ramos and grant immunity to an acknowledged ILLEGAL alien drug smuggler to testify against them.

There were at least 2 ulterior motives. First, NAU advocate Presidente Jorge Bush wanted to try to influence the Mexican election by showing that the U.S. was not serious about border enforcement by persecuting 2 of its own.

Second, and in a similar vein, Presidente Jorge bush wanted to send a vote of no confidence to the border agents... morale among them plummeted after the persecution of those agents.

When Middle America soundly rejected Kennedy-McQuisling Scamnesty, masquerading as "C.I.R.," Dubya reluctantly agree to build the border fence...

BUT the ObaMessiah and the left have stopped fence construction dead because they KNOW that ILLEGAL aliens mean future Crat/big govt. voters.

oracle1
"Date: Mar 24, 2009 - 8:46 AM EST
The Conspiracy of Evil

The biggest challenge to stopping ILLEGAL aliens is that the money and organization (hence power) is mainly on the pro-ILLEGAL side. The pro-ILLEGAL forces include an unlikely, strange bedfellow alliance between groups which want to USE them in different ways--> the Conspiracy Of Evil."

I so love it when you whiners play the victim card LOL Typical

Mexico
The belief that 9 out of 10 guns used in Mexican drug wars come from the United States is bogus. The Mexican government, which ban private ownership of all firearms, wants to cover up the fact that most of the firearms used by the cartels are not available in the U.S. The Obama administration, which has already called for a ban on semi automatic weapons, 30 day waiting periods for purchases, rationing to 1 purchase per month, etc. has a vested interest in misrepresenting the truth about gun running. The truth is that the Mexican police do not release serial numbers on seized firearms. Therefore, they cannot be traced by A.T.F. to American dealers. Most seized firearms are taken from otherwise law abiding, and often prominent citizens who illegally have weapons for their own protection. The cartels weapons of choice are actual machine guns, such as the M-16, which is only available to the police and military in the U.S., Chinese and Korean hand grenades,R.P.G.'s and rocket launchers are likewise unavailable in the U.S. Such heavy ordnance is smuggled into Mexico, usually by sea. In fact, I am surprised that more machineguns are not smuggled into the U.S. from Mexico, along with illegal drugs.

oracle1
"...Date: Mar 24, 2009 - 9:07 AM EST
persecuting Compean and Ramos
Irrespective of their specific actions, we must ask WHY the Justice Dept./U.S. Attorney and Dubya crony Johnny Sutton would have pursued border agents Compean and Ramos and grant immunity to an acknowledged ILLEGAL alien drug smuggler to testify against them."

There is only one thing more dangerous than a bad cop that is a bad soldier. Compean and Ramos were bad by all accounts

reply to: Hal Doofus
re:
"I so love it when you whiners play the victim card LOL Typical"

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

And we Middle Americans smile when the iconoclastic gadflies of irrelevance and naysaying gnats who resent longstanding, proven American values validate our points with vacuous inanity and anomalous propagation signifying nothing of cognitive value.

Thanks for the affirmation of my perspicacious wisdom! ;>)

Hal
I departed the "give me " Democrat controlled North Eastern Pa. in 1958 because there had to be someplace where people wanted to work for what they have. The people here in TEXAS are that type.We just want the federal crooks to leave us alone to act like real Americans, not French Socialist.Have you ever spent time in 3rd world countries? Is that what the liberals see as the way we should live? Where is the "I can do it myself" rather than the " you do it for me"? Do not condemn the good people of TEXAS for wanting to be AMERICANS rather than Europeans. Why do you not go to daily kos or some other communist web site?

James
Date: Mar 24, 2009 - 9:14 AM EST
Mexico
The belief that 9 out of 10 guns used in Mexican drug wars come from the United States is bogus...."

Are you an AZ gun dealer? Next are you going to tell us that the drug money doesn't come from here?

"...fact, I am surprised that more machineguns are not smuggled into the U.S. from Mexico, along with illegal drugs..."

In fact I am amazed that you think we don't have them now. Heck we have more guns than people and they are used to kill more people than most other places in the world.

Liberals love it
This is an opportunity for liberals to restrict gun access, widen their socialist agenda, and make corrupt profits in the process. The liberals only ever took on the "drug war" because they know that this type of civil war leads to socialist policies and worse. I expect some battles brewing over gun laws within the next few years.

And you're wrong. The guns the cartels are carrying -- you don't buy those from an American gun store. These cartels, like Al Capone, equip fully automatic weaponry. This is why the Mexican army had to be called in. The cartels were simply outgunning the law enforcement. You're allowing a liberal agenda to cloud your reasoning. Can they buy guns from border states? I imagine it's possible. I know you can buy guns from gun shows without a background check. That should probably be fixed, but going much further than that is going to upset a lot of security-minded Americans.

support E-verify and the SAVE Act!

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/enforcement/workplace-ver ification.html

Even as Mexican drug cartels are spreading their virulent violence over here, and ILLEGAL alien labor continues pirating jobs that Americans will DEFINITELY do, and milking American social services, the ObaMessiah and the left have stopped construction of the fence. Why?! Because those are future big entitlement government 'Çrat voters crashing the border!

While America needs SOME educated, skilled LEGAL immigrant labor, the so-called "cheap" labor (the largely ignorant, indigent ILLEGAL aliens) are REALLY egregiously expensive all-in to America.

Your hotel room and Tyson Chicken is no cheaper to YOU, BUT YOU get stuck with the tab for the myriad social services they will prey upon and the pandemic social pathologies (crimes, barrio blight, drugs, gangs, illegitimacies, dropouts, cultural disparateness) they pervade like a scourge of locusts.

Get angry, folks!!! Insist that Congress require E-verify and pass the SAVE Act. You can EASILY reach them at their official sites right here:

http://www.congressmerge.com/

BOOKMARK it and contact them OFTEN! They love hearing from you!

The SAVE Act was introduced by Democrat Heath Shuler... it too merits your support.

http://proprietornation.blogspot.com/2007/10/save-act-follo w-up.html
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/issues.html
http://www.house.gov/list/speech/ca50_bilbray/March_14_2008 _Washington_Times_Save_the_SAVE_Act.html

RE: Hitler State?
Look, the more this unfolds before our eyes the more you can see that this Admin. stands for STATISM, and the power of smoke and mirrors!!! With this trumped up crap about the guns being smuggled from the US to Mexico is pure lies!!! The Mexican drug cartels are getting weapons from eastern Europe and Russia!!! That fact is evedent when some of these drug runners are cuaght and found to be in possesion of AKs and foriegn made weapons!! Most of all 50 cals were recently confiscated and these were in the Mexican Army that came from the US Army in the 90's when Clinton was presid. This Glowbama clown hates the US and what it stands for so he is systematically going to "RESHAPE" America as fast as he can with out the American people even being aware of what is going on!!!

recent polling on ILLEGAL immigration...


... by the highly respected Rasmussen Report revealed these opinions (quoted verbatim):

* By a 63% to 28% margin, voters continue to believe it is more important to gain control of the border than to resolve the status of those who are already in the country ILLEGALLY.

* 73% say police should check to see if traffic violators are in the country illegally... 62% believe that such violators should then be deported.

* 77% of American adults do NOT think ILLEGAL immigrants should be allowed to receive a driver's license.

* Survey data have consistently shown that on immigration reform voters are PRIMARILY concerned with enforcing the border and reducing the future flow of ILLEGAL immigrants.

The "comprehensive" reform considered in the Senate last year was very unpopular precisely because voters did NOT believe it would reduce ILLEGAL immigration. (In fact, a plurality of voters thought the legislation would lead to an increase in ILLEGAL immigration).

More recently, voters opposed another Senate legislative proposal, the Dream Act (which would have given college tuition assistance to ILLEGALS, and then led to citizenship), and believed it would attract more ILLEGAL immigrants in the future.

Rasmussen Summary:
Collectively, these data suggest that the desire of MOST Americans to gain control of the border is part of a broader desire to protect American culture.

Robert
"Date: Mar 24, 2009 - 9:24 AM EST
Hal
I departed the "give me " Democrat controlled North Eastern Pa. in 1958 because there had to be someplace where people wanted to work for what they have. The people here in TEXAS are that type..."

I have lived in TX twice and I certainly did not see that trait compared to the northeast.

"...We just want the federal crooks to leave us alone to act like real Americans, not French Socialist..."

Want real America? Go where the population centers are. Don't forget while the founders praised country life they were urban folk

"..Have you ever spent time in 3rd world countries?..."

Quite a bit of time lived in them too

"...Is that what the liberals see as the way we should live? Where is the "I can do it myself" rather than the " you do it for me"? .."

Third world is exactly how conservatives want the US to be. In a third world nation, you are in control of everything from having your own security and fire protection to your own medical care etc. It is complete freedom - if you are among the strong and well positioned. That is exactly where you want the US to go isn't it?

"...Do not condemn the good people of TEXAS for wanting to be AMERICANS rather than Europeans. Why do you not go to daily kos or some other communist web site?..."

Oh I am not condemning the good people of TX I am criticizing and laughing at extreme fundamentalist conservative Texans who post on here. From a lot that you post you are no more for the founders' America than Juarez was

Robert
The answer on how to fix Mexico is easy…BOOM! Then it will look like Scranton.

Who was that Texas congressman who
talked about the need to defend America's borders, instead of the rest of the world's?

It was Ron something...wasn't it?

Georgetwin
"Date: Mar 24, 2009 - 9:49 AM EST.."

What happened to Burt?

mexican problems
i, for one, have never understood why so many mexicans come here to the us instead of staying there and fixing their own country. some of us don't like our government, be it republican or democrat in power, but we stay here and try to fix it through legal ways, such as voting people we don't like out of office. it's not our fault their country sucks, and if they are too cowardly to stand up and say "enough is enough" then they should suck it up instead of running away. we are like enablers for an alcoholic, giving them an easy way out. we need a "global intervention" or something! and please, don't give me that old line about the usa taking illegal drugs from mexico as an excuse. if we had effective border control (no offense to the border patrol guys, they do the best they can with what little support they get from the government) then the drugs and illegal aliens wouldn't be here. if we controlled the border better, how would drug users get their drugs? and how would the gangs get their weapons?

tracking illegals
Blockbuster would do a pretty good job too.

Hal Donahue
Just when I think you can't possibly be any more elitist, you come up with this gem:

"Texans
Hmmm I am thinking that from watching all the extreme posters from TX on TH that the illegals may well be doing a public service to the nation by increasing Hispanic culture in Texas. From what I can see Hispanic culture is far superior to the culture of extreme fundamentalist conservatives and my even be more traditionally American."

What a shock, Hal supports criminals! He is so deep in left wing extremism that he thinks it's not only ok to break the law by coming into the country illegally, he supports the criminals that come over here to commit more crimes! No wonder his own party thinks he's off his rocker.

You know, Hal, you should do everyone a favor and move to Juarez and embrace the lovely cartel culture you admire so much. I'd give you about a week before there's a line a mile long of people ready to saw off his empty head.

Forget a week. I would give you about eleven minutes.

9 out of 10 Guns
Where'd you get that statistic Chuck? Mexico, trying hard to shift some of the blame from their corrupt government onto the US? Our anti-gun Attorney General? Police Chiefs who have to toe the party line, or find another job?

Firearms are much cheaper on the world military arms market than here in the US. A real (full automatic) assault rifle can be had for about $50.00, while a semi-automatic looks like an assault rifle sold here in the US averages about $1,000.00 (if you can find one since the Messiah was elected). Handgun purchases of more than 2 handguns within a 5 day period by a person are reported directly to the government. So is it likely that the statistic Chuck cites is correct? Or is it likely that the cartels are smart enough not to spend lots of their billions of tax free dollars on US firearms when there are cheaper (and full automatic) opportunities?

Of course it may be that the source for handguns is guns stolen by the gangs in the US and smuggled across the border. No law regulating firearm sales will change that. The only thing which might slow that sort of trade down is more border enforcement.

YLG
If Hal moved to Juarez, I'd give him about threee days before someone roped him and hauled him off to perform in a "donkey show."

Americans under surveillance
Hope that no one is Anti-Abortion, a war protester, a Ron Paul supporter, a member of a third party, or a member of the Campaign for Liberty. If you are you may be "on the radar" of the U.S. Government.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/23/fus ion-centers-expand-criteria-identify-militia-members/

Here is a link to the report

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13290698/The-Modern-Militia-Movem entMissouri-MIAC-Strategic-Report-20Feb09-

YLG
If the Doofass moved to Mexico, the Mexican government would consider it a casus belli, since he is such a worthless, no count, no class, pathetic piece of sh1t.

deportation is a straw man problem
A popular straw man challenge proffered by the left and ethnocentric Hispanic advocates is--> surely we cannot deport 12 million.

Actually, I figure that if the feds admit to 12 million, they KNOW that the REAL number is much higher. In any case, we can get most of them to repatriate attritively simply by having the will to enforce EXISTING laws.

First, body slam the crooked pols who cater to them.

Second, insist that EXISTING laws be enforced: build the wall, crack down on employers, and stop the freebies to ILLEGALS, including tuition. No jobs, no freebies --> NO STAY!

Require proof of citizenship to function-- WE prove who we are CONSTANTLY for employment, travel, etc. Expired visas will not cut it! The possible threat of terrorism is yet another reason to require proof of a right to be residing in America.

No papers? Then NO job, NO apartment, NO drivers licenses, NO social services.

As Az. has done, kill bilingual education-- learn or return!

Revamp LEGAL immigration to emphasize education and skill sets-- just as responsible countries do.

NO PATHS TO CITIZENSHIP FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS-- PERIOD! Let them go back and start from scratch-- most would not qualify to return!

Reinterpret the 14th as intended; just as children of diplomats born here are not citizens, ILLEGAL madres should not be able to push out excuses for family welfare.

A nation which loses its borders and sovereignty ceases to be a nation. America is too special to lose to an invasion of the willfully culturally disparate and ignorant indigent. We CANNOT be the welfare state for Latin America's socio-economic failures and plutocratic governments.

Plus
aside from future votes, ya think the corrupt
politicans aren't getting kickbacks from outside the country to keep the borders open?
Call me a cynic but the more I see the more
I believe if we follow the $$$$ we'd get some interesting results. But considering the level of corruption everywhere in this country its' not gonna happen.The political corruption we are now 'enjoying' is Al Capone on steriods.

Charles LPKY
Hmmm.....

Looks like I am going shopping for some bumper stickers this week. ;)

Talk about Big Brother. Watching DC is like watching "Animal Farm" and "1984" on one screen.

And just WHERE is the ACLU on this?? Oh, I forgot...they are busy protecting the rights of the terroris-- I mean, enemy combat-- I mean, detainee-- Sorry, don't recall the correct terminology.

Either that, or waging war against the Boy Scouts.

Hal
You can't have both a welfare state and free-for-all open immigration. You have to pick one or the other. Attempting to have both will just try and import each and every hard case on the planet and give them freebies that we can't even afford for the losers we produce here domestically.

YLG
I was shocked by the report, especially since i am a Libertarian.

ILLEGALS and social service enervation

It is against the law for ILLEGAL aliens to receive "welfare" per se, but this is really an academic point. ILLEGAL aliens overwhelm hospitals and schools, overburden the criminal justice system, and the federal government REQUIRES that local service providers assist them at local expense.

Then there is the issue of "anchor babies"... once an ILLEGAL madre can push one out on American soil (usually illegitimate), they can (and do) get in the welfare line, and the "free" ride on the welfare gravy train is on! The Mexican guvment hands them instructions on how to work the scam!

More to the point, ANY resident who is uneducated and poor inexorably becomes a welfare burden on average, partly because today's advanced service economy America cannot provide them upward mobility when all they have to offer is manual labor.

The highly respected Heritage Foundation calculates that EACH household headed by the typical ignorant, indigent ILLEGAL alien will drain $1.4 MILLION more in govt. services than it ever pays in any form of taxes over a lifetime. This is aggravated further by clinging to a foreign language and disparate culture.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/bg1936.cfm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/SR14es.cfm
http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigrati on_american_infrastructure.html

As even a liberal sociologist admitted recently, future drains by current ILLEGALS will prove to be, "the mother of all unfunded government mandates." The libs do not care about this; they know that current ILLEGALS mean future voters and the permanent hegemony of the left as America morphs ineluctably into a third world welfare state. Visa violators account for about 20% of ILLEGAL aliens; we MUST crack down on them also.

See below what YOU can do to stanch this barrio blight and culture decimation from destroying America.

Distraction
Dear Congressional Conservatives
The situation @ the Mexican border provides a made to order distraction for the socialist / fascist agenda of the Obamessiah administration. While American troops put themselves in harm’s way, protecting the country from foreign enemies, the domestic enemies will have free reign.
Do not pass any legislation Obama and his minions send up! It will be filled with threats to our freedom. Stop this “Chosen One” with all the power at your disposal!

TFE, registered voter
The Carolina Piedmont

Mother Nature.
Mother Nature is the ruler in the southwest and along the Mexican border. It is best we mind our own business and let her find a natural balance. Death and destuction will blow itself out and sunshine will soon return along with beautiful Mexican music.

OPERATION "FIREWALL"

Just this morning Neopalitano announced new measures that are being put in place to protect our borders. This will be an effort coordinated with the Mexican government.

While President Calderon is taking a stronger position against the Cartel this year, the problem of a corrupt police force in Mexico will always be a hinderance in dealing with the Cartels. It is known that the Cartels also receives some of their weaspons from their own local Federales - state police, not all come from the USA.

I live 150 miles from our state's border with Mexico and I know the drug cartels have an influence among the gangs in this city. We must demand that our borders are protected.


the crippling costs of "cheap" labor

There are SO MANY fatuous myths about the supposed benefits of tolerating ILLEGAL aliens. A key verity is that they are SURELY NOT cheap labor all-in... miscreant employers simply pocket the "savings," but the myriad concomitant socio-economic costs to society and taxpayers are devastating to America.

The apologia for them smacks of the same arguments which had been used to defend slavery, and the legacy will be just as terrible. (see $11 TRILLION wasted on Great Society programs) The 'Crats are already effectively reprising "40 acres and a mule-- then you can vote like your friends do." The ObaMessiah, et al, cannot wait to get them voting, and are NOT waiting for them to earn citizenship to vote.

If we legitimize ILLEGAL aliens with licenses, etc., we will doom America to morphing inexorably into a deteriorating welfare state.... ILLEGALS will vote 95% for the left... the other 5% will mis-vote because they cannot read what they are handed in Spanish.

The demographics are easy to project --> per the highly respected Heritage Foundation:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/bg1936.cfm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/upload/wm_1076 .pdf

SUPPORT POLS EVERYWHERE WHO TRULY COMMIT TO REVERSING THE INVASION VIA ENFORCEMENT-- while we still have a little time.

Support the SAVE Act and E-verify in Congress. Here is the official contact site for Congress-- bookmark it and contact them often... it is EASY and FREE to do so... see also the free, targeted e-mails you can send from NumbersUSA:

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm
http://www.numbersusa.com/actionbuffet

CharlesLPKY
My wife is a registered Libertarian, and I've been meaning to hang up one of those Don't Tread On Me flags.

I guess that makes us all militia members.

Charles LPKY
I think we should get a bunch of the "contested" bumper stickers, and plaster them all over our vehicles. Let them come to us.

Nothing like a blatant breach of our 1st Amendment rights to stoke the embers of Liberty.

CF:
I wonder if any of the lib simpletons would know what the Stars and Bars was? I'm getting ready to hang one.

Vote March 28th in Albany, NY
On March 28, 2009 there is an election in the Albany, New York US Congressional district to fill the seat of the woman Senator who replace Hilary Clinton. I strongly suggest that anyone in that district or anyone who has friends or relatives in that district MAKE SURE YOU VOTE FOR THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE on March 28th, 2009. If we don't start waking up these US Congressman and woman that they can not expect to keep their jobs in November 2010 if they sell out the people, then all is lost. This is a rare chance to wake them up. VOTE EARLY AND OFTEN. Pass this message on.

CF YLG
I do not know what to do at this point. I have a Libertarian and a Bob Barr sticker on my car. So i have been on the radar for a while, Just for my Conservative political beliefs not being labeled Republican.

Tyranny is afoot....

ExRCSD
7,9,11,or 13 stars?

YLG-ExRCSD-CLPKY-CFriar-Others
I spent a week in Texas and I lived in a Liberal Labor Ghetto in PA for 3 years. NO CONTEST! Texans have it all over the Ethnic, Union Labor, Crybaby Drunks in the PA Labor Ghettoes. What is funny is that PA is Labor Ghetto on the corners, bur right up the middle from MD to NY are LOTS of folks from Red States living on farms and ranches.

http://buffalospringshorsefarm.com/_wsn/page3.html



fabius
Quite a stretch old boy, to try to belittle the effect of the article. Go sip some more liberal Kool Aid and stop bothering the grownups.

Very weak dispute.

Stopped the ATTACK, but not the INVASION
This is what turned me away from Bush. He put our soldiers on the border in Iraq but not in my home state of Arizona. Washington lacks the WILL to stop this insanity.

Where is the press pointing out that Homeland Security is not building the fence that was ordered?

Apperently Chertoff was worried that the Secure Fence Act of 2006 would secure the border so he LOWERED the specifications for most of it.

It was supposed to be double layer all the way like the one in Israel. Instead, almost all of it is a Billion Dollar Joke.

The primary duty of the Federal Government is to protect the country from foreign invasion.

It has done everything but that and avoided it all costs.

Charles LPKY
The original with 7. Either that or the Bonnie Blue Flag.

Stopped the ATTACK, but not the INVASION
This is what turned me away from Bush. He put our soldiers on the border in Iraq but not in my home state of Arizona. Washington lacks the WILL to stop this insanity.

Where is the press pointing out that Homeland Security is not building the fence that was ordered?

Apperently Chertoff was worried that the Secure Fence Act of 2006 would secure the border so he LOWERED the specifications for most of it.

It was supposed to be double layer all the way like the one in Israel. Instead, almost all of it is a Billion Dollar Joke.

The primary duty of the Federal Government is to protect the country from foreign invasion.

It has done everything but that and avoided it all costs.

ExRCSD
Bonnie has the single white star in the middle on a blue background right? if it is that would be the one

Charles LPKY
That's the one.

Charles LPKY
I like the Culpeper Flag.

You can view and buy one at this link:

http://www.united-states-flag.com/culpepper.html

YLG
"Date: Mar 24, 2009 - 10:24 AM EST
Hal Donahue
Just when I think you can't possibly be any more elitist, you come up with this gem:

"Texans
Hmmm I am thinking that from watching all the extreme posters from TX on TH that the illegals may well be doing a public service to the nation by increasing Hispanic culture in Texas. From what I can see Hispanic culture is far superior to the culture of extreme fundamentalist conservatives and my even be more traditionally American."

LOL not all are illegal and to me elitist is ludicrous

"...What a shock, Hal supports criminals! He is so deep in left wing extremism that he thinks it's not only ok to break the law by coming into the country illegally,..."

Criminals? Jay walking is a far more serious crime than being an illegal immigrant. Why don't we at least concentrate on real criminals heck there are lots od felonies out there.

"...You know, Hal, you should do everyone a favor and move to Juarez and embrace the lovely cartel culture you admire so much..."

Hey I don't admire the cartels limbawl and conservatives support so well with your drugs and guns. You messed up the US and I guess now you want to start on Mexico?

CF
The Culpeper is nice, I had no idea what it was until now. Knew the flag not the name.

Doofass scribbles:
Criminals? Jay walking is a far more serious crime than being an illegal immigrant.

Try telling that someone who has had their identity stolen by an illegal, and their live's turned upside down because of it.

Again, you really are a worthless, no count, no class pathetic piece of sh1t.

Justin
"Date: Mar 24, 2009 - 10:51 AM EST
Hal
You can't have both a welfare state and free-for-all open immigration. You have to pick one or the other..."

I don't want either it appears to be what you folks created. Now we are working to fix the illegal immigrant challenge that you created and fix the social net you tore up at the same time your programs over the last nearly 30 years destroyed the family and the economy

"...freebies that we can't even afford for the losers we produce here domestically."

The "losers" I am seeing most often now are conservatives who thought they didn't need medical insurance, disability insurance etc out on the street. Odds are you one day will rely on the social net just like you did when you were born and were trying to grow up

ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE EXPENSIVE

Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich reported in October 2007: "Illegal immigration continues to have a devastating impact”. Public Safety, $220 million; Health Care, $400 million; Welfare, $440 million; Los Angeles County pays more than $1 billion annually.
http://www.minutemanproject.com/newsmanager/templates/mmp.a sp?artic..." target="_blank">http://www.minutemanproject.com/newsmanager/templates/mmp.a sp?artic...

The Heritage Foundation in 2007 found that low-wage immigrants in America caused a net fiscal deficit of $89.1 billion in 2004. Forty percent were illegal immigrants. The rest were granted amnesty in 1986. Harvard economist Dr. George Borjas calculated that legal and illegal immigrants suppress wages by $200 billion per year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMKlMrwc6AA


These days, both illegal and legal immigrants are provided with taxpayer-supplied education, housing, welfare, and medical care. Now Obama is passing laws to give them more rights than natural born American citizens! Instead of encouraging them to learn the nation's language and fully assimilate, their youngsters are taught in their native language and the teachers are paid bonuses!

This problem is made worse by the divisive activities of radical Hispanic groups (La Raza, MEChA, LULAC, ADL, SPLC, et al.) financed by the Rockefeller, Carnegie, Mellon, and other mega communist foundations that want radical change. One change, supported by the illegal aliens, includes the reclaiming of the American southwest for Mexico.

http://www.minutemanproject.com/newsmanager/templates/mmp.a sp?artic..." target="_blank">http://www.minutemanproject.com/newsmanager/templates/mmp.a sp?artic...

America spends $231 Billion for teaching English, Anchor Babies, Incarceration and Social Services.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

Illegal aliens annual costs to American taxpayers: $200 Billion revenue lost by suppressed wages for illegal aliens plus $20 Billion for WIC, Food Stamps, Medicaid, Welfare and Free Lunches.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html



ExRCSD Deputy
"Date: Mar 24, 2009 - 11:17 AM EST
CF:
I wonder if any of the lib simpletons would know what the Stars and Bars was? I'm getting ready to hang one."

LOL we put it on out toilet paper

Swiss Cheese Border
The reason why we can defeat Saddam and can't keep our border secure,(drugs and illegals out) is simply because our Congressmen and Senators do not want a secure border. If they were truly interested in a secure America then the borders would be secure overnight. Our Government would rather send a message to our first responders on the border (US BORDER PATROL) that we will procecute you if you use deadly force to protect your life. We moved from a Country ruled by law to a Country ruled by politics,,, very scarey. When Mexico Nationalized and American Business owners lost their businesses and property, which were doled out to Mexican Nationals as political favors, Mexico's economy went from not so good to miserable. Until the Mexican Government assists us with border security, US Funds should halt going to Mexico. However Mexican officials still aid and abet the invasion of illegals into the US. Mexican Consults in the US issue illegals ID cards with US addresses. Outragious.

Hal Donahue
I haven't a clue what happened with Burt. He was back up last I checked?

Hal Donahue
"LOL not all are illegal and to me elitist is ludicrous"

YOU were the one that called them illegals. Look at the quote. As for elitist, how about the fact that you claim one culture is superior to another?

"Criminals? Jay walking is a far more serious crime than being an illegal immigrant. Why don't we at least concentrate on real criminals heck there are lots od felonies out there."

Jay walking was not the crime that killed my friend, Hal. She was raped and murdered by three illegals. Her crime was being an American of Hispanic heritage. Jay walking wasn't the reason my dad's friend was carjacked at knife-point by an illegal, either. Oh, and these are felonies, by the way. Only two of many that have touched me personally.

"Hey I don't admire the cartels limbawl and conservatives support so well with your drugs and guns. You messed up the US and I guess now you want to start on Mexico?"

First off, wrong thread. Go to Limbaugh to post that "drugs and guns" stupidity. Second, I don't want to "start on Mexico." The Mexican people are grown up, and if they don't like the way their country works, they should fix it. YOU yourself say that we should do the same here, Hal. YOU claim to be "fixing the country." And how? By voting people out, and reforming, right? So, why not hold Mexico and its countrymen to the same standards?


Why Do Libs
Insist on ruining the conversation? Insist on insulting the people of TH? Well, i guess that is a Liberal education, Tolerance for everyone unless they disagree with us libs.

So
Hal puts the Stars and Bars, one of our country's historical icons, on toilet paper.

Folks, Hal has displayed his contempt for America better than anyone else could describe it.

And he wonders why people consider him vile.

Hal Donahue
"ExRCSD Deputy
"Date: Mar 24, 2009 - 11:17 AM EST
CF:
I wonder if any of the lib simpletons would know what the Stars and Bars was? I'm getting ready to hang one."

LOL we put it on out toilet paper"

Wow, Hal....just when I didn't think you could get any lower, you find a way to surprise me.

I bet you are the type to handle the Quran with white gloves, right?



Hey Doofass:
Going to respond to:

Try telling that someone who has had their identity stolen by an illegal, and their live's turned upside down because of it.

Again, you really are a worthless, no count, no class pathetic piece of sh1t.

Hal
What do you mean you put the stars and bars on toilet paper...I thought Liberals use the Constitution of the United States of America as toilet paper. That is the impression i got from my Liberal instructor in the Constitutional law course i took in college.

What's So Hard to Understand??
If they come here illegally, they are criminals and need to be kicked out. Period. Every other nation on the planet does this, including Mexico!!

It's not like their doctors and scientists are creeping across the border. We get their criminals.

We don't need other countries' crooks, we have plenty of those in D.C. these days...

Charles LPKY
Libs, also, use the Declaration of Independence, both The Federalist and Ant-Federalist Papers, anything written by John Locke, Montesquieu, and the Founding Farmers.

Max Power #103
Well stated, illegal is illegal.

Charles LPKY
Illegal is illegal to anyone who is capable of logical thought, which leaves out the Doofass and his ilk.

BTW
I was kicked out of class on 4 occasions for let her know that she was dead wrong. Anytime i questioned what she was trying to "teach" us, stumping her in the process, i was kicked out of class. Win a debate in a Constitutional Law course, with a Liberal instructor, gets you kicked out of class.

She was forced to resign a few months later.

Max Power
Have you read all of this thread?

Hal has outdone himself with sheer stupidity and vileness today.

ExRCSD
You speak the truth my friend

Charles LPKY
Was the class a law school class or political science class?

Charles LPKY
I just don't get why some folks think people streaming across our borders to commit crimes is a good thing. They broke our laws to get here in the first place, and then they break more laws once they're here. They need to go and right now.

Why on earth would you give people who can't even speak our language citizenship?? It's beyond stupid!!


ExRCSD
It was a required course, my degree is in Computer programming. I am thinking of going back for Political science.

MPower-CLPKY-ExRCSD-CFriar-YLG-Others
That was low class even for Hal.

Curtal Friar
I skimmed over some of Hal's nonsense.

I swear, he goes farther off the deep end everyday. He really hates this country, it's obvious from his posts...

the willfully disingenuous myth of...
..."jobs Americans won't do"

ILLEGAL aliens are concentrated in 4 industries (landscaping services, restaurant/hotel service, construction, food processing) but predominate in NONE-- which gives lie to the artful canard: just doing jobs Americans won't do. When the government makes a show raid on, e.g., a meat plant, Americans refill those jobs immediately.

Americans cost a bit more on the surface, BUT only to the miscreant employers which pocket the "savings" when they instead hire ILLEGALS.

Your hotel room, or hot dog, or lettuce is no cheaper to YOU... and Middle America is forced to bear the egregious and pernicious socio-economic burdens and plethora of social pathologies that ILLEGALS foist upon us. The all-in costs of ILLEGALS to American society are STAGGERING, snowballing, and perhaps soon to be irreversible.

The truth is, guest worker programs themselves rarely work as intended anywhere in the world... a positive example were the true migrant workers who returned home to Mexico seasonally, but the current plague of ILLEGALS is a totally different scenario.

We MUST DEMAND that our pols listen to the 70%+ majority and begin to stanch and reverse the ILLEGAL alien malignancy before the cancer destroys the entire body politic. Especially at a time when unemployment is rising rapidly, charity-- AND law enforcement-- must begin at home.

Why has construction of the fence stopped (after substantial progress)? The left wants ILLEGAL aliens here on a path toward voting and naturalization-- they are NATURAL democrats!

Max Power #111
I can't see it either. We need to secure our borders, North and South, all seaports, and enforce existing emigration laws.

Georgetwin
When you're already scraping the bottom of the sewer like Hal Donahue does, I don't see how it's POSSIBLE for him to get any more low class than he ALREADY is.

Although I don't bother reading his posts to try to put that belief to the test. As far as I'm concerned, Hal's a pathological liar, so I see no point in reading the words of a liar.

Charles LPKY
The closest I came to Con Law in college was a course on Judicial Procedure. The SC Criminal Justice academy was another matter.

Georgetwin
Howdy!

Yes, Hal did go pretty low, didn't he?

But just wait....he will not disappoint! I am sure he will find a way to go lower, even if it means trolling the sewers of du.com.

;)

Fabius Cunctator
So, we have another good Italian boy in here, huh?

What part of Italy does your ancestry come from?

My great grandparents came over from Palermo, Sicily.

Charles LPKY
And after securing our borders, go after the illegals that are already here sucking us dry.

Get them out of the country until such time as they can come here and assimilate to OUR culture legally.


ExRCSD
How was the Judicial Procedure course? Did the instructor hold to the principles or the liberal re-write?

The cost
Of deporting Illegal Aliens should be charged to the aliens country of origin. That would be a good start for an economic recovery.

Charles LPKY
I wa lucky the University I went to was and is pretty conservative, So it folowed reality.

Max Power
Get them out of the country until such time as they can come here and assimilate to OUR culture legally.

Let them all come in if they are here by LEGAL means.

ExRCSD
Yes you were very lucky. When i go back (need to get going on this i am almost 40) i am going to the local Community College, I have heard some good things about it.

An University is out of my budget.

Charles LPKY
Community Colleges are great places to go for the basics, and technical ed. I know, I teach at one.

ExRCSD
My mother Graduated as a RN from the local community college 35 years ago. She says it is a good school. I will probably continue my education in IT System Administration. Too late in life to change careers again.


I know --
I know that I would support Chuck, Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, and numerous conservative bloggers on this thread for POTUS and congress in a minute. I firmly believe that many of the conservative anti-illegals on this thread would do an excellent job of cleaning this mess up if given the chance.
Unfortunately we have very few in congress that are able to act effectively on the issue of illegals. Don't get me started on big ears barry, janet wimp, harry "the prune" reid, former prez peso george, cherty, or others of their ilk.
Many of us who grandparents came to the USA legally never received the bilingual ed, and the many social services rewarded to these illegals and their anchor rats, nor would they have accepted any help. Being here and working hard was their desire to become faithful Americans. My wife's and My grandparents are examples of those non-english speaking legal immigrants.
Keep up the good blogs conservatives, and pay no attention to the left wing trash.

Not really,
CPKY, I started a career as a teacher at age 40.

Leaky Borders, Crime, and Terrorism
The political fiddling around with securing the borders and other entry points is irresponsible to say the least and if a major incident occurs there will be a monstrous backlash at the do-nothing politicos. It’s a no-brainer: The borders and other entry points should have been iron-clad-secured a year after 911 even if it meant stationing the military at the borders, especially the Southern border, until the fence(s) is/are built. There is no excuse whatsoever for not doing this. What’s dumb as dirt is sending our best in harm’s way in the armpit of the world that is the Middle East apart from a small special ops surgical strike of a very temporary nature to take out that Osama puke and his entourage. We the people better impose serious pressure and accountability on these irresponsive, irresponsible politicians of extremely dubious merit.

Typical verbiage on one of my faxes to Senators McCain (ol' McLame) and Kyle and others: Illegal immigrants are not citizens, have broken our laws, many committed felonies, and they should have no legal standing in our country whatsoever! I'm getting tired of repeating myself but the recipe is: Secure the borders first, NO AMNESTY, and E-Verify will go a long way in resolving this mess.

SAVAR of TX and O of AZ

I agree with you totally. We have the capability to secure our borders, but not the will of our elected officials.

SAVAR - I'd work in your campaign and vote for you, if you promise me you did not go to Harvard law school.

O - I'm joining the tea party in my city on April 15th. I'm as mad as H*ll and don't want to take it anymore either.





MPower-CLPKY-ExRCSD-YLG-SHGround-Others
Obama’s ACORNtards are at it again. This stuff is WAY out of line and is going to get someone KILLED!

http://www.connpost.com/ci_11968393


Chuck, thank you
for writing a great blog, you bring up some great points. I do want to point out that the illegals are not the #1 problem in all this. The americans who employ them are. If the illigals don't have work, they go back, that's a fact. The employers should be fined so heavily that the impact of it would seriously affect the business, they're the real traitors here.

Oh and Hal...kiss my conservative (_|_)

YLG
"Date: Mar 24, 2009 - 12:17 EST
Hal Donahue
"LOL not all are illegal and to me elitist is ludicrous"

YOU were the one that called them illegals. Look at the quote. As for elitist, how about the fact that you claim one culture is superior to another?..."

If that is a definition and I did say I thought the Hispanic immigrants were probably more patriotic than extreme fundamentalist conservatives from what I have seen typed here will I may have to reconsider

"..."Criminals? Jay walking is a far more serious crime than being an illegal immigrant. Why don't we at least concentrate on real criminals heck there are lots od felonies out there."

Jay walking was not the crime that killed my friend, Hal. She was raped and murdered by three illegals. Her crime was being an American of Hispanic heritage. Jay walking wasn't the reason my dad's friend was carjacked at knife-point by an illegal, either. Oh, and these are felonies, by the way. Only two of many that have touched me personally..."

Well you should perhaps get better police coverage and prosecutors then. Just because the criminals were illegals does not mean being illegal is a serious crime. The crime they committed is a serious crime. Your logic is way off. I bet all were jay walkers too

".."Hey I don't admire the cartels limbawl and conservatives support so well with your drugs and guns. You messed up the US and I guess now you want to start on Mexico?"...The Mexican people are grown up, and if they don't like the way their country works, they should fix it. YOU yourself say that we should do the same here, Hal. YOU claim to be "fixing the country." And how? By voting people out, and reforming, right? So, why not hold Mexico and its countrymen to the same standards?"

I do

Reba--
This is from B.N. Svara, but I assume that you meant Svara when you spelled it Savar.
But hey, I do the same thing, "mispell" all the time on names. It's OK. And no I did'nt go to Harvard law school, way too left wing and they definitely wouldn't want a right winger.
I could not run because I would not compromise on this so called comprehensive immigration fiasco. I sit to the right of my and my wife"s Viking ancestors Rurik and Hardraada (known by his enemies as Blood-Ax). I would be deemed as too hard right. But I am a supporter of Chuck and anyone who thinks like him. Thanks for the suggestion. Let's hope some candidates that are solid, pro legal Americans emerge before it is too late. 2010 is a good beginning we hope.

Know how you can tell if....
someone has lost all touch with reality?

"Just because the criminals were illegals does not mean being illegal is a serious crime."

I see.....so it's just a little teensy crime so lets ignore it.

Know what? I think driving drunk isn't so bad, I think I'll ignore that too.

"Well you should perhaps get better police coverage and prosecutors then."

Uh huh....it's the cops fault that those people that shouldn't be here in the first place committed those felonies. Nevermind that keeping them the hell out of the country would have actually made a difference.

What complete rubbish from a complete loon....

Doofass:
If those illegals were not permitted to enter the country or deported upon arrest, many of those crimes would not have happened. You still have not responded to my:

Try telling that someone who has had their identity stolen by an illegal, and their live's turned upside down because of it.

Again, you really are a worthless, no count, no class pathetic piece of sh1t.

Eltoro....Svara...."WALKER-RANGER"
Eltoro to HOLLOW HAL: KISS MY CONSERVATIVE?
HA HA HA HA!

SVARA- you mention Duncan,Tancredo you would support.Who did Tancredo endorse when he dropped out? Mitt Romney!And he said "he walks the walk "on illegal immigration! In fact latin friends of mine were a little turned off to Mitt "he's too hard on the illegals" was there response! Funny thing about Chuck...he endorsed
Huckabee who was a disgrace on this matter!
Huckabee loved those illegals to work for
Tyson chicken in Arkansas, wanted them made citizens,offered special programs to them,and
wanted them to draw Soc. Security! These items are fact!Hmmmmm?!Everybody is real silent about this!
And Duncan endorsed Huckabee....geeez,talk about strange bedfellows! And when Duncan was asked why endorsed Mike...he said"seems like
a good guy(something like that)".
Holy cow...seems like a nice guy!Sheeez!How nice! Sheeez.What about the BORDERS!!!!!????
But guess what! They both belong to the same denomination(church)! How nice.
What about the BORDERS!!???
Elvis







Big Government Rackets
U.S. Won’t stop the invasion because we need to replace all the dead babies with adult Mexican immigrants.

The big city government’s cronies need kick back money from vice.

Big business needs cheap labor.

The Mommy party needs the voters to keep their jobs taking care of the nest generation of criminals and welfare recipients.

Hey Hal
Why do you hate this country and it's constitution so much?

Hal Donahue
You are one of the most condescending creatures that I have ever heard, your opinions make sense only to the delusional or just plain whacked. You have no loyalty or honor. You sit there and judge everyone elses comments as if you know something that we do not. You should just go away. You are a pitiful creature. Back to HuffyPuffy where the real idiots gather. You are valued there! You are not valued here! Why do you torture us daily with your banal blatherings. Have mercy and go away far far away.....

Hal Donahue
English may be my second language, but even I cannot mangle the language the way you just did.

"If that is a definition and I did say I thought the Hispanic immigrants were probably more patriotic than extreme fundamentalist conservatives from what I have seen typed here will I may have to reconsider."

Good lord! I shall attempt to decipher it. Your claim that Hispanic immigrants were probably more patriotic is probably right. They are patriotic, but to THEIR HOME COUNTRIES. I see the flags they wave at their demostrations, and the Stars and Stripes are sadly lacking. The rest of the sentence is garbled, so I shall just ignore it.

Max Power and ExRCSD Deputy explained the second part of your post, so I will address the last part.

How do you reconcile your stance towards holding Mexicans responsible for fixing their own country, and yet letting the flood of illegals into the US go unchecked?

Curtal Friar
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Hal's problem is that no matter what the topic is here on TH, he HAS to take the exact opposite POV. No matter how silly and utterly brainless it is, he acts like everyone else is clueless.

It's more about seeing Hal for what he is than what he's saying. He says he was a "big city cop", but then blames the crimes committed by illegal aliens on the cops.

This tells me that he was never a cop because all cops know they are not able to prevent the majority of crime, especially ones like YLG spoke about.

Someone earlier stated that Hal is without honor and morals.

I couldn't agree more....

YLG-CFriar-ExRCSD-CHeston-MPower-Others
Hal is obviously a Typical Self Hating Liberal suffering from TERMINAL White Liberal Guilt/Anglophobia.

CharletonHeston
Hal Donahue will not go away because:

1. He is paid to comment here (on a numbers basis) by MoveOn.org.
2. He uses a ghost writer to increase his number of posts.
3. He was bought and paid for, while in the USAF, by the Democrat Party.
4. He was almost kicked out of the USAF for making homosexual advances to enlisted personnel.
5. He is paid a second "salary" by either the DNC or one of their "focus" groups to disrupt any Conservative site that will allow him to post.
6. His loyalty is to his own pocketbook; and he would sell his own wife and/or children to increase his cash flow.

Hal Donahue will not go away; and the best thing to do is to ignore him. If no one responds to him by name or by "copying" his post into another post, he is not paid as described in #1 above.

Gray Ghost
In light of your information, I will never again do anything to line that tool's pockets.

SVARA
Yes, I was addressing you. I have also been watching different conservatives to see who could really respresent Conservative Americans next year.
We need a strong representative who is not afraid to address issues head on. Too much reaching across the isle already. I just watched Mark Levin on Fox and he is impressive. He advocates orginalist constitutional interpretation. In the 1980's he was an advisor to several of President Reagan's cabinet members and has just published a book titled "Liberty and Tyranny, the Conservative Manifesto." I like what he has to say about perserving our original American values.

You could run as a Viking-American, which would be a first.
I told my husband he could run as a Celtic-American.


US Guns?
The figure of 90% of the guns used in Mexican drug crimes is a chimera. There is no way of determining the percentage that come from the US because the Mexican government won't give us the serial numbers so we can attempt to trace them. Also, irresponsible public figures have said that there are three gun shops on every mile of the border selling grenades and fully automatic weapons, an obvious absurdity.

The 90% figure could be true, but there is no proof and no reliable source for it.

Gray Ghost
I suppose you know that, having apprised us that the Bard of Scranton (don't want to mention his actual name lest he get paid for it) was almost kicked out of the USAF for making homosexual advances toward enlisted personnel, he's going to respond with a savage personal attack on you. But thanks for sharing that information about him!

I totally agree with you that we should not respond directly to the Bard of Scranton; I have ceased doing so. In fact, in future, I will no longer even mention him by his post name anymore, and I will certainly not copy any or any parts of his posts into mine.


Reba--
If I was 21 again and as large and powerful as most of those Vikings were (according to the Nordic Chronicles the average Viking stood about 6'4" or more and weighed approx. 260 or more with great inate strength. And they took no prisoners). I always asked my Dad's side of the family why I did not inherit that size and power, I'm only 6'. He said that I had left over genes that no Viking would want. What a reality rip. Oh well, Good luck to your husband and you.

We don't need to annex Mexico
Can you imagine the venal idiots we'd get in Washington if we did? Oh wait, we already have venal idiots in Washington.

The US-Mexico border needs to be, at the least, drone patrolled over its entire extent. Incursions need to be met with the National Guard. If this causes the Canada border to become a significantly increased problem, do the same there.

Force everybody who wants to come in to do so through a legal process through which they, and what they bring in, can be accounted for.

YLG
"Date: Mar 24, 2009 - 4:14 PM EST
Hal Donahue
English may be my second language, but even I cannot mangle the language the way you just did...Good lord! I shall attempt to decipher it. Your claim that Hispanic immigrants were probably more patriotic is probably right. They are patriotic, but to THEIR HOME COUNTRIES. I see the flags they wave at their demostrations, and the Stars and Stripes are sadly lacking. The rest of the sentence is garbled, so I shall just ignore it."

Sorry haste makes waste. I hate to not give you attention but the workload is ramping up. But let me point out that I just spent four days surrounded by Irish Flags if there were American flags they were far and few between. Now the IRA threaten my family and me. I am no friend of the terrorist organization called the IRA. Know what I did? I hoisted a glass with the celebrants and stayed out of the way. It reminded me of a chance meeting in the mountains of Cyprus. The small inn had few folks when we decided to drop in. Half of the Brits with me were young officers when there was a revolt. One British Officer lost everything and almost his wife and child. The Inn was owned by a Cypriot who was commander of the resistance and the few folks there were his fighters. The lesson I learned was let go and accept change when needed

"...How do you reconcile your stance towards holding Mexicans responsible for fixing their own country, and yet letting the flood of illegals into the US go unchecked?"

A free country lets its citizens travel wherever they want. I cannot criticize any country who allows their citizens freedom. It saddens me that we are not one of them

hawky
on the other hand setting up a 5 mile zone where all trespassers will be shot in sight might work. A kill zone might be far more effective in keeping the illegal trash crossing the border to steal our social services.

But the dims and the rino's are actively encouraging illegals to break out laws to come here thinking they havce a cheap source of labor and possible future voters.

But once these lice fully tap into the social security system it will finally break under the weight of too many who didn't contribute but still were allowed to take out thanks to the lefties who think all losers need to be taken care of by working americans

Phony Mexican Gunrunning
With approximately 18,000 desertions with arms from the Mexican Army last year, any idea where a lot of the US type firearms came from?

http://www.gunlaws.com/Page9Folder/PageNine-62.htm

My Observations
Wasn't it last year, or the year before, that all of us who were advocating stronger border control and warning of the threat of Mexico's demise were called alarmists, bigots, racists, nativists, white supremists, etc., etc., etc.?

What's changed? Why are the people who called us names - the media - now scaring us about the Mexican threats to our national security?

The Mexican gangs are militarized because the Mexican military is in league with them. That's where they're getting their men, material, weapons and tactics. The solution is not to disarm law-abidding American citizens who aren't cutting heads off and kidnapping people.

Isn't globalization great? Diseases, criminals, narcotics, illegal aliens bankrupting us, all sorts of cool things coming here from the Third World. Wonderful.


Gray Ghost/Standshisground
"...I suppose you know that, having apprised us that the Bard of Scranton..."

You folks know no shame - typical conservatives - lie after lie after lie

"...I totally agree with you that we should not respond directly to the Bard of Scranton; I have ceased doing so. In fact, in future, I will no longer even mention him by his post name anymore, and I will certainly not copy any or any parts of his posts into mine."

LMAO LOL good grief LOL
Thanks I needed that laugh

I don't know Chuck
Bush on his last day ? finally pardoned the two imprisoned border guards(if Bush sits in prison for 2 years and gets beaten near to death that would be justice for his neglect), and the general understanding of the little people is the government considers The Minutemen vigilantes or terrorists, and word is our border guards ON ORDERS turn tail and run from the Mexican cartels and military even as they cross our border and fire upon them.
So I don't think money is going to do it.
Same thing one could easily surmise with our military - more often than not tip toeing around the war zones with a hundred lib minders and dem congresstraitors ready to pounce on them if they fire their military issued weapons on the enemy or their cohorts, without "proper permission over the digital link" from some lawyered up commander at Centcom.
Then the endless attacks on Blackwater that protected every whining demolib commie congresscritter that or state department traitor that ever "visited" the war zone ( IMAGINE THAT -VISITING A WAR ZONE ! THIS IS WHAT WE'VE COME TO - OUR EGGHEADED "LEADERS" GO ON VISITS INTO WAR ZONES IF THAT DOESN'T MAKE MY POINT I'M NOT SURE WHAT WILL ).
I'm waiting for the military to be declared out of bounds and beyond it's call of duty when they initiate "capitol punishment".
We have a real problem in that we won't destroy the enemy, we piddle and putz around and listen to the endless whining and moaning of tree hugging commie red democrats.
Don't expect borders to "happen" - they have an even stronger, racist, whining, pitiful, crybaby screed on that.

Dag
"Date: Mar 24, 2009 - 9:33 PM EST
I don't know Chuck
Bush on his last day ? finally pardoned the two imprisoned border guards(if Bush sits in prison for 2 years and gets beaten near to death that would be justice for his neglect)..."

As I understand it the guys and their cell mates are now moving to CA to live happily ever after - be happy for them

shorts
"Date: Mar 24, 2009 - 9:50 PM EST
HAL Danahue
Hi , how are you , hope all is well in PA
I have one question , what did you do to these trolls tonight ?
I mean they have a serious case of the nasties for you.."

The sissies (nothing wrong with that) have their knickers in a twist because Burt is no more I think. But hey let them have at it

"...You should hurry since in a few years the Majority will be Hispanic in these states
Then we Hispanics can pass laws that will help with this issue ( soon America will be mostly Hispanic and Black )wont that be fun for you guys LMFAO"

LMAO Now, now they are most upset because I said the Hispanics would soon cure TX of its redneck bigotry

Obama's BC Issue getting INTERESTING ...
BORN IN THE USA?

Justice, Supremes confirm getting eligibility challenge

Taitz documents demanding proof of Obama's birth place to be reviewed

Posted: March 24, 2009
9:29 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Orly Taitz

The U.S. Supreme Court and the U.S. Justice Department today confirmed that documentation challenging Barack Obama's eligibility to be president has arrived and soon will be evaluated.

Confirmation came from DefendOurFreedoms.us, the foundation through which California attorney Orly Taitz has been working on a number of cases that raise questions over Obama's birth location, and therefore his qualifications to be president under the Constitution's demand that the office be occupied only by a "natural born" citizen.

According to the blog, Taitz was informed by Karen Thornton of the Department of Justice that all of the case documents and filings have arrived and have been forwarded to the Office of Solicitor General Elena Kagan, including three dossiers and the Quo Warranto case.

"Coincidently, after Dr. Taitz called me with that update, she received another call from Officer Giaccino at the Supreme Court," the posting said. "Officer Giaccino stated both pleadings have been received and being analyzed now."

The report from the Supreme Court also said the documents that Taitz hand-delivered to Chief Justice John Roberts at his appearance at the University of Idaho a little over a week ago also were at the Supreme Court.

Obama's BC Issue getting INTERESTING ...
BORN IN THE USA?

Justice, Supremes confirm getting eligibility challenge

Taitz documents demanding proof of Obama's birth place to be reviewed

Posted: March 24, 2009
9:29 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Orly Taitz

The U.S. Supreme Court and the U.S. Justice Department today confirmed that documentation challenging Barack Obama's eligibility to be president has arrived and soon will be evaluated.

Confirmation came from DefendOurFreedoms.us, the foundation through which California attorney Orly Taitz has been working on a number of cases that raise questions over Obama's birth location, and therefore his qualifications to be president under the Constitution's demand that the office be occupied only by a "natural born" citizen.

According to the blog, Taitz was informed by Karen Thornton of the Department of Justice that all of the case documents and filings have arrived and have been forwarded to the Office of Solicitor General Elena Kagan, including three dossiers and the Quo Warranto case.

"Coincidently, after Dr. Taitz called me with that update, she received another call from Officer Giaccino at the Supreme Court," the posting said. "Officer Giaccino stated both pleadings have been received and being analyzed now."

The report from the Supreme Court also said the documents that Taitz hand-delivered to Chief Justice John Roberts at his appearance at the University of Idaho a little over a week ago also were at the Supreme Court.

Illegals, P!mps & Drunks
In the waning days of the Clinton Administration,I heard Gene Sperling speaking in Ca..He said he hoped in twenty years,one could not tell that it ever was a predominately white state. He didn't miss it much.It soon will be as soon as Mexico sends the rest of their vagrants here.

Every time I see Arianna on a show,I think I am seeing Hal in drag. She mouths the same drivel he posts. I wonder if she is his p!mp or if he just posts her left wing talking points for money. Either one is pathetic.

u.s. patriot...yes....sir ree it is
it is getting interesting! However, how do you remove someone that is there? Especially this crapbrain!
Should he be removed(how?) there will be riots all over the country! And the cowardly police
will not shoot to kill..or maybe I should say the cowardly authorities will not let them
shoot to kill!At least in excrete city(calif.)
Elvis

Hey Doofass:
How does it feel to live in a third world country called Scranton, PA?

Rowly
"Date: Mar 24, 2009 - 10:51 PM EST...He said he hoped in twenty years,one could not tell that it ever was a predominately white state..."

Who cares what colour we are? Geesh it simply doesn't matter. Why would you even think it does?

I'm with you Chuck
on everything you said except the AIG bonuses. You should direct the blame for that to where it belongs, with the administration and the senator that enabled it to happen. They now want to feign surprise and outrage. Don't help them perpetrate this hoax by your statement in this article. I understand your main point and agree with you, but be very careful with what you say when making your point. The administration and the Democrats have already, in many cases, demonized corporations unjustly.

Hal
Only if you're yellow,Hal. Only if you're yellow.


BTW In case you missed it..Sperling said it.Not me.

Rowly
"Date: Mar 25, 2009 - 9:00 AM EST
Hal
Only if you're yellow,Hal. Only if you're yellow.


BTW In case you missed it..Sperling said it.Not me."

You posted it.

90% of guns from U.S.
I've heard this number several times. But I've also heard a couple of other things that make me wonder.

The gangs are using automatic weapons with grenades and rockets. You can't buy those in the U.S. from gun dealers. Further, if you want more than one gun and you have millions (billions) of dollars you don't even bother to deal with gun shops. You buy direct from governments like the Mexican army, China, Russia, South America, etc. So ...

In Mexico it is illegal for citizens (poor ones, anyway) to own guns for self defense. Many in the U.S. are buying them and taking them back to their families in Mexico for that purpose. So ...

So ...

Something About These Live Broadcastings
None of Obama's diplomatic or campaign ideas were his own. That's why he won't courage any attempt at energetic motivation anymore. How dare you tell Jesus you would usher him in, thus being helped with certain "energies" during speeches and campaign theme songs of the air that vanished during the general election while Barack Marduk's radio animated false tales of the national character who was thrown under the bus and tortured with the lovely occult powers of the man of sweet words and a purple robe. Where's the emblem on your cloak old friend? Do you really think you can own Christianity for 2000 years of legislating pains under the name of who never preached imperialism? No words about the other life... third time's the charm, some boy from the 80's, bottled and carved, bottled and carved...

It's a rehash of an old saw.
Slabsides,

That's like the attack on gun dealers. They trace a few guns to a straw buyer at some pawn shop in the South and then want to shut down all the gun shops everywhere.

BTW, are you an A-1 or a Series 70? LOL

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Yeah, of note here
It's not AIG Executives that got the bonuses in question, it's the lower down computer geeks sitting behind the derivative algorythmic calculating lie computers.
" the Obama administration should leave that money alone and hunt down the $100 million-plus that AIG executives robbed from taxpayers for their bonuses."
Umm, they aren't talking about their bonuses, and those mentioned in the hearing were for instance 3 million and 30 million (apparently two of the Executives one republican knew about).
So Geithner and the egghead Bernake and the other weirdo guy were all asked for a NUMBER of people getting the bonuses, and all were given the usual "Duhhhh" and i'll get back to you, but it was solidly established that the pile of bonuses were for the AIG division that calculated and finagled the derivatives portion of their portfolio and that they secured their bonuses in contract "before the burning ship started sinking".
So the LIBS have another hidden card up their sleeve - the EXECUTIVE BONUSES - that they have "covered up" in this fashion : Geithner " We immediately fired all the executives and replaced them with a management team that took over - and these are veery fine people and fine public servants - blah blah blah "....
NOONE asked how much the fired had with their golden parachutes as they were shoved off the burning and sinking AIG ship. NOONE EVEN ASKED.

Note continued
So, there's a HUGE lib idiot bubble out there, and I don't know what the numbers might be for the executives "they fired immediately" but they're probably GIGANTIC - because the contract clauses are even more solid and lucrative with higher ups.
The lower down DERIVATIVES crews got bonuses under the talking point "those smart enough to understand what they were doing" - with derivatives presumably.
We never got a DATE for their bonus contracts vs the sinking ship - that was left entirely unanswered and only referred to in a deroggatory manner of speculation.
Yes, I watched ALL THE C-SPAN hours of it. 3 hours and 16 minutes
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/watch.aspx?MediaId=HP-R-16671

Yeah, it's a leverage number
It makes for good mexican consulate whines
" 90% of guns from U.S.
I've heard this number several times. But I've also heard a couple of other things that make me wonder. "
The libs suck it up, and between the two criminal sets, the corrupt mexican authorities and the libtards with their anti-racist ear pressed agains the open border, those two combination makes for a new wonderful Aztlan the commie libs love to support - after all - it's only fair they say, to their enslaved housekeeper, or dark skinned lawnboy, or vegie picker, or drywall hanger, or Obama marching voter activist that hits the streets faster than even a devout libtard does - of the lbbies love that - if they only could be as active !
Viva la Aztlan!
Yep, our other enemy the libtards with a third enemy... ain't it grand.

ObaMessiah's stratagem about ILLEGALS

Watch the Chosen One/The Glowbama press for Scamnesty promptly using the hackneyed artful line, "bringing people out of the shadows," under the guise of getting ILLEGALS to help fight drug cartels... that is like treating the leukemia patient with an injection of cancer cells so he won't die of leukemia!

As a dedicated soldier in the fight to save America from myopic, beleaguered acceptance of the ILLEGAL invasion, I surely appreciate the frustration of the majority of Americans (70%+) with quisling politicians. The left KNOWS that ILLEGALS will vote 95% for big entitlement guvment, which explains why the Glowbama has stopped construction of the border fence, which was well under way.

HOWEVER, the fight is NOT lost!!!
We stopped Kennedy-McCain Scamnesty, then killed the disingenuous "Dream Act," a liberal gambit to give ILLEGALS a free community college education and thence a path to citizenship, and blue state N.Y. stanched the governor Spitzer's scheme to give ILLEGALS licenses, which 77% of Americans oppose per Rasmussen (because licenses are a step toward voting and scamnesty).

Join the fight, Middle America to save YOUR COUNTRY!!!!!!!!

The BEST group to assist you is Numbers USA... several senators agreed that they were the group most responsible for stanching Kennedy-McQuisling Scamnesty:

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/

They have targeted e-mails and messages for Congress, OR you can contact Congress directly at the official sites right here:

http://www.congressmerge.com/

BOOKMARK it, and rattle those cages in Congress often! Save YOUR country before it is too late!

Blue dog Çrats (e.g., Heath Shuler) are already starting to resist the ObaMessiah and the hard left-- hope is NOT lost, BUT it WILL require dedication from Middle America!

the crippling costs of "cheap" labor


There are SO MANY disingenuous, fatuous myths about the supposed benefits of tolerating ILLEGAL aliens. A key verity is that they are SURELY NOT cheap labor all-in... miscreant employers simply pocket the "savings," but the myriad concomitant socio-economic costs to society and taxpayers are DEVASTATING to America.

The apologia for them smacks of the same arguments which had been used to defend slavery, and the legacy will be just as terrible. (see $11 TRILLION wasted on Great Society programs) The 'Crats are already effectively reprising "40 acres and a mule-- then you can vote like your friends do." The ObaMessiah, et al, cannot wait to get them voting, and are NOT waiting for them to earn citizenship to vote.

If we legitimize ILLEGAL aliens with licenses, etc., we will doom America to morphing inexorably into a deteriorating welfare state.... ILLEGALS will vote 95% for the left... the other 5% will mis-vote because they cannot read what they are handed in Spanish. The demographics are easy to project --> per the highly respected Heritage Foundation:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/bg1936.cfm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/upload/wm_1076 .pdf

SUPPORT POLS EVERYWHERE WHO TRULY COMMIT TO REVERSING THE INVASION VIA ENFORCEMENT-- while we still have a little time.

Support the SAVE Act and E-verify in Congress. Here is the official contact site for Congress-- bookmark it and contact them often... it is EASY and FREE to do so... see also the free, targeted e-mails you can send from NumbersUSA:

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm
http://www.numbersusa.com/actionbuffet

re: troll Hal Donahue
re:

"Every time I see Arianna (Huffington) on a show, I think I am seeing Hal Donahue in drag. She mouths the same drivel he posts. I wonder if she is his p!mp or if he just posts her left wing talking points for money. Either one is pathetic."

Some regulars here have documented that "Hal Donahue" is REALLY simply one of several alter ego screen name for the same leftist, provocateur troll.

This is indubitably true of "Wobbie," or Robert in Tx, now operating as Ranger 29... they caught that gadfly fool addressing a cohort alter ego fool, but he signed off with the wrong name (the addressee's). Wobbie has made many fanciful claims such as being a veteran pilot and military person, which have been dismissed as poppycock by REAL people who caught him making bogus claims.

Of course, lies come so naturally to libs.

Just heard on Morning in America today:
that Norinco ( a Chinese gun manufacturer) is shipping PALLETS of full auto AK-47 clones and at that rate they're selling for $50/copy!!! WHY would anyone go to a gun store or show and pay $1,500 for a semi-auto AR-15 or $4,500 for a legal Class III full-auto M-16 (assuming they had the hard to get license)?

Logic and liberals. NEVER seen in the same place! The guns are offloaded in Nicaragua and other Central American countries where we have NO control and shipped wholesale to Mexico.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Another Liberal Agenda
That's all this drug war has ever been about in the eyes of liberals ready to take advantage of a crisis -- a tool. I find it hard to believe that 9 out of 10 guns seized by the law enforcement and military are coming from America. For one, these cartel members are outgunning the law enforcement, hence the Mexican military. And apparently even this military force is having trouble with the violent cartel members. Sure, they pick some people up, maybe even someone high profile, but they'll never win the drug war. It's a stalemate in terms of chess. The only possible solution is to end the game. That is to say end all that the Prohibition Party stands for. Their policies quite simply, flat out, don't work.

Well, they don't work in our favor. Apparently these policies work in the favor of politicians though, as the liberals have recently shown. But if you really look into it you'll discover our civil liberties slowly eroding away at the behest of the war on drugs since its inception. See, smoking a joint is a health issue, not a criminal issue. When you give me a criminal drug record, you essentially open my private health records for all to see. It's easier for an officer to perform a search on your person or property than it was before the drug war. The drug war is an abusive policy of government and eventually people are going to have enough just like in the days of Prohibition. With all the cartel violence and media attention, I'm starting to wonder if that's going to be sooner rather than later.

Rahm's Rule!!
"Never let a crisis go to waste!" Why? Because you can stampede the SHEEP into giving up freedoms and liberties in a vain search for safety and security when they will actually get NEITHER and DESERVE NEITHER if they take that tack.

This was the EXACT technique used by every Marxist or Fascist totalitarian regime that ever came down the pike. It's ALWAYS couched in sincere sounded soft words of comfort.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Mexico, Mafias, and Baggy Borders
I have been saying this for years, but, of course I am only a TAX-PAYING American Citizen who is paying for all this, which in turn makes politicians and unscrupulous businesses RICHER!
If we were to " QUADRUPLE " the FINES and PRISON TIME for manufacturing, transporting, using and selling any and ALL ILLEGAL DRUGS, it would slow things down because the COST would out weight the BENIFITS. SECURE OUR BORDERS, DEPORT THE ILLEGAL INVADERS, and FINE, IMPRISON, AND TAKE AWAY THE BUSINESS LICENSES OF THE UNSCRUPULOUS BUSNESSMEN, hard-working American's and their CHILDREN would be a lot safer. SUGGESTION; Draft and Elect Chuck Norris as Chief of Homeland Security ... PROBLEM SOLVED
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