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Tuesday, March 10, 2009
Chuck Norris :: Townhall.com Columnist
I May Run for President of Texas
by Chuck Norris
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On Glenn Beck's radio show last week, I quipped, in response to our wayward federal government, "I may run for president of Texas."

That need may be a reality sooner than we think. If not I, someone someday may again be running for president of the Lone Star State, if the state of the union continues to turn into the enemy of the state.

From the East Coast to the "Left Coast," America seems to be moving farther and farther from its Founders' vision and government.

George Washington advised, "The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is, in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible." Yet the Obama administration just pledged $900 million in U.S. taxpayer-funded aid to Hamas-controlled Gaza and Mahmoud Abbas' Palestinian Authority.

Thomas Jefferson counseled us, "We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt." Yet the feds have skyrocketed our national debt by trillions of dollars, and they plan much more fiscal expansion, with few expectations of resistance. George Washington admonished, "To contract new debts is not the way to pay for old ones." But we keep borrowing and bailing out, and we watch the stock market plunge further every time we do.

Patrick Henry taught, "(Our Constitution) is an instrument for the people to restrain the government." Yet our Congress and president stampede that founding document, overlook its explicitness and manipulate its words to abandon a balance of power and accommodate their own desires, partisan politics and runaway spending.

John Adams declared, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people." Yet we've bastardized the First Amendment, reinterpreted America's religious history and secularized our society, and now we ooze skepticism and circumvent religion on every level of public and private life.

How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen, or will history need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the authority, according to America's Declaration of Independence, which states:

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security."

It was this type of thinking that led me to utter the tongue-in-cheek comment on Glenn Beck's radio show that I may run for president of Texas.

I'm not saying that other states won't muster the gumption to stand and secede, but Texas has the history to prove it. As most know, Texas was its own country before it joined the union as the 28th state. From 1836 to 1846, Texas was its own republic. Washington-on-the-Brazos served as our Philadelphia. Washington-on-the-Brazos is where, on March 2, 1836, a band of patriots forged the Texas Declaration of Independence.

On March 1, 1845, then-President John Tyler signed a congressional bill annexing the Republic of Texas. Though the annexation resolution never explicitly granted Texas the right to secede from the union (as is reported often), many (including me) hold that it is implied by its unique autonomy and history, as well as the unusual provision in the resolution that gave Texas the right to divide into as many as five states. Both the original (1836) and the current (1876) Texas constitutions also declare: "All political power is inherent in the people. … They have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."

Anyone who has been around Texas for any length of time knows exactly what we'd do if the going got rough in America. Let there be no doubt about that. As Sam Houston once said, "Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may."

For those losing hope and others wanting to rekindle the patriotic fires of early America, I encourage you to join Fox News' Glenn Beck, me and millions of people across the country in the live telecast "We Surround Them," which will be on Fox News Channel Friday, March 13, at 5 p.m. EDT. Thousands of cell groups will be united in solidarity over their concerns for our country. You can host or attend a viewing party by going to Glenn's Web site. My wife, Gena, and I will be hosting one from our Texas ranch. We've invited many family members, friends and law enforcement officials to join us. It's our way of saying, "We're united; we're tired of the corruption; and we're not going to take it anymore!"

Again, Sam Houston could have been speaking to all of us present-day Americans when he gave these marching orders: "We view ourselves on the eve of battle. We are nerved for the contest and must conquer or perish. It is vain to look for present aid; none is at hand. We must now act or abandon all hope! Rally to the standard, and be no longer the scoff of mercenary tongues! Be men, be free men, that your children may bless their father's name."

(NOTE: Speaking of showdowns, Chuck is inviting anyone near the Houston area this weekend to see a good example of the raw Texas fighting spirit. Join him and others for the national martial arts event "Showdown in H-Town.")

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Where the hell were morons...
like Chuck "The Stupid" Norris, when the GW Bush was setting policies that has put the entire world economy in disaster mode. Obama hasn't been in office for over a month, and these morons are already calling for overthrow of elected government especially when these morons elected another village idiot name Bush for TWO TERMS, now that requires all those who voted to be in mental and racist/religious nut institutions.

Carter
Where were all the morons?? They were out electing a Marxist/Communist as their president.A monster that hates America and all that we stand for!

You any relation to that other bad president Jimma?

President of Texas
I agree wholeheartedly with your article Mr.Norris.You were great on Glenn Beck. You're a very good man.

obama
just like a typical lib, carter from mass will defend this idiot in chief til we are all in ruins as a nation and then shrug, blame bush and say; well he meant well.

Succession
What most people (Chuck included, it seems) is that when Virginia and New York ratified the Constitution, they included clauses to allow for succession should the federal government become too powerful and start interfering with the state's autonomy. This extends to all states, because all states in the union are supposed to be equal (hence the need for the Senate). Believe it or not, the "Civil War" was actually illegally waged by the northern states, not because of slavery, but for the desire to keep the union "complete".

If Texas does succeed, I know where I'm moving to.

My wife and I would move to...
any state in "The Conservative States of America", the moment it breaks away, no matter the cost or where it would be.

I am as serious as a heart attack.

It's easy to sling blame
Harder to find viable solutions. I think Mr. Norris is right on track here. I AM AT FAULT--I voted for the black idiot, ok? I was decieved, stupid, call it what you will but I actually believed him. But I thougth McCain was far worse, and my real candidate Ron Paul was shut out by the media. Secession sounds better and better to me everyday. Govt HAS NOT RIGHT to take my money, property, and dictate what happens in every facet of my life. Stimulus my @ss!

EXTRA Norris materials at WND
Awesome column Mr. Norris!

Loved the EXTRA materials at your World Net Daily exclusive version of this same article http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=91103

Here's two examples of EXTRA Norris materials...

"When I appeared on Glenn Beck's radio show, he told me that someone had asked him, 'Do you really believe that there is going to be trouble in the future?' And he answered, 'If this country starts to spiral out of control and Mexico melts down or whatever, if it really starts to spiral out of control, before America allows a country to become a totalitarian country (which it would have under I think the Republicans as well in this situation; they were taking us to the same place, just slower), Americans won't stand for it. There will be parts of the country that will rise up.' Then Glenn asked me and his listening audience, 'And where's that going to come from?' He answered his own question, 'Texas, it's going to come from Texas. Do you agree with that Chuck?' I replied, 'Oh yeah!' Definitely.

"Just last Friday, the Alamo celebrated its 173rd commemoration, when on March 6, 1836, Texans under Col. William B. Travis were overcome by the Mexican army after a two-week siege at the Alamo in San Antonio. But they didn't go down without a hell-of-a-fight, as those roughly 145 Texans fought to their dying breaths against more than 2,000 Mexican forces under Gen. Santa Anna. (Casualties in the battle were 189 Texans vs. about 1,600 Mexicans.) They lost that battle, but would provide the inspiration to win the war. Their fighting spirit rallied the new-found republic, and still does to this day. So when you think all is lost in America, remember the Alamo!"

WORTH the read for 15 resource links http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=91103

Norris' "Black Belt Patriotism" big hit
I'm not a big Chuck Norris fan, but I was pleasantly surprised to see how well researched and written Mr. Norris' NY Times best seller "Black Belt Patriotism" was. His understanding and prescriptions of America's Founders "old" solutions for eight of our major "new" problems is nothing short of genius. Check out the dozens of 5-star reviews at Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Black-Belt-Patriotism-Reawaken-Ameri ca/dp/1596985585

And free chapter of Chuck's book

Norris' radio interview with Beck

Chuck Norrises Chaplain?
Great column Mr. Norris. You're a true American!

Was great to discover you have a personal chaplain who works for you. Very cool to find out that he led the crusade in restoring the Christian history on the Washington Monument tours. Fox News clip, photos and research at his website http://www.nationaltreasures.org/CR_MonOmi.html

Go Texas! Go Alamo! Go Norris!
By the way, I'll move to Texas in a heartbeat if you secede Texas and Norris runs for president there!

Count Me In !!!

I am SO Fragg'n Sick of the Neo-Communist/Marxist B.S. comming out of either
Washington D.C. or the Idiots out on the Left
Coast....Not to mention some of the Dip-Sticks
whinning in St. Paul, I am Ready to move myself
and my Business out of this meatball state.

-Randy.

he has my vote also!
I'll move to Texas ALSO in a heartbeat if you secede Texas and Norris runs for president there!I can be there in 2 days !!Just hoping my state goes that way again!

Norris - Coward
"...Again, Sam Houston could have been speaking to all of us present-day Americans when he gave these marching orders: "We view ourselves on the eve of battle. We are nerved for the contest and must conquer or perish. It is vain to look for present aid; none is at hand..."

Sadly we will crush you again if need be you fair weather patriot. Typical conservative though you advertise an event LMAO.

Look you unpatriotic cry baby; you lost an election. No different than the lying de facto head of the Republican Party, Limbawl, you use words from the Declaration and ignore the words from the Constitution. Texas only joined the Union because it was frightened of Mexico. Then you joined the decadent, slave states in rebellion against the Constitution. States rights, the crutch of racism, is over. I might also remind you that you are a pretend hero ala John Wayne and not a real hero ala many of today's soldiers.

Hal
You're such a blog parasite, always trolling every Norris article. Always feel bad for people like you, who crave for attention so much that the only way you can get it is by voicing opposing views in hope that complete strangers will bite your challenge. So sad. Go find a friend. It's much more fulfilling.

Sean H.
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 7:24 AM EST
Hal
You're such a blog parasite...Go find a friend. It's much more fulfilling."

Hey this takes minimal time and serves a public service especially now that people who claimed to be "patriots" are showing their true colours. Friends I have many some here even

Let's call the whole thing off
I have believed for quite a while that it is time for our country to divide into two pieces. The northeast, the top halves of Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, all of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota, and the coastal areas of California, Oregon and Washington would become one country, the rest would be the United States.

As an e-mail that's going around right now states, which area do you think would be begging for help first?

NCO77
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 7:44 AM EST
Let's call the whole thing off
....an e-mail that's going around right now states, which area do you think would be begging for help first?"

That is easy the southern part. They have been living off the other states for so long they probably wouldn't last a year.

I Love to Watch the Liberal Trolls
talk big. On this thread, one in particular is acting and writing more like "John Wayne" than anyone else who has commented so far.

Why? Because he is scared.

Obama did not win a landslide in this election. In fact, Obama lied to even win the election. Many moderates (and even some Democrats) are waking up to that FACT.

Excellent article Mr. Norris. I also like your "tongue-in-cheek" manner of writing it. This is what we in this country must now do. We must explore our possibilities.

I for one refuse to go down the "road to ruin" without at least complaining about it. Congress and the President are proposing debts beyond reason and Socialism.

Where Does the US Military Stand?
During the past 2 weeks, I have contacted every active duty military officer I know. I admit that most of them are in the USAF or Army (I have very few Marine, Navy, or Coast Guard contacts). Everyone of them said basically the same thing:

The US military will "stand" with the Constitution of the US. They will not fight the civilians.

Obama already knew this before the election. The "civilian security force" comment was a slip of the tongue during the campaign. The Democrats realize that the US military will NOT fight the US civilians in a Constitutional crisis.


Joel
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 8:27 AM EST
Southern States
If you define "living off the other states" as receiving money from the feds, you are right. You are wrong because you presume that the federal monies are needed or helpful..."

Well that is easy give it back. We can use it in these trying times. Look the red states are the highest in poverty and illiteracy and lowest in education and wealth. Why is that. If conservatism works, one should see results. I put to you that reaganism/hooverism doesn't work and the red states pretty much prove it

"...After the Third American Revolution, everyone will work, or they won't eat! Almost everyone, even the "disabled" can be productive in some way, and should be. "

Want to bet? Even if you some how succeeded most would be mired in poverty while a very few told the folks in poverty what to do. In short you would become a third world nation. Show one place where conservatism worked. We were at our strongest in the 1940's, 50's and 60's then along came conservatism...

"...Families, churches and charities can and should care for those who CAN'T be productive enough to support themselves..."

Why? Let me play devil's advocate here: Why should my church support someone who can't care for themselves? Charities and families? Why should they care for others problems and "steal" community resources to do it? This is where this leads

Gray Ghost
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 8:30 AM EST
Where Does the US Military Stand?
During the past 2 weeks, I have contacted every active duty military officer I know. I admit that most of them are in the USAF or Army (I have very few Marine, Navy, or Coast Guard contacts). Everyone of them said basically the same thing:

The US military will "stand" with the Constitution of the US. They will not fight the civilians."

Unless those "civilians" take up arms against the constitution. Succession is not allowed under the constitution.

Hey Chuck
When you run, you've got my vote. And sign me up for your campaign committee.

Lanczos
Native Texan, By The Grace Of God

Corndog Crockett reporting for duty

Chuck,
If the great state of Texas secedes from the USA, Mr. and Mrs. Corndog will be looking for asylum. We come with our own weapons and loads of ammo.

One question, will there be an open season on libtards?

Good article Chuck
I think all the red states should depart from the union. It is about time the blue areas know where their bread is buttered.
Texas could be the tip of the spear of succession from this ungodly union we now appear to have. When the large cities can bypass the Governors and receive the bailout monies we no longer have sovereign statehood.
To Hal, whoever you are, You could not hold a candle to Chuck Norris my friend. Also did you serve or are you just another of those as you put it, "you are a pretend hero ala John Wayne"? By the way, you cannot hold a candle to John Wayne either.
To Carter, you too seem to be one of those who know what you don't know. Decipher that one if you can.
It is tiring to hear/read the drivel coming from the left. You who are riding high on the Obamamania will soon see just what the term Change used by Obama means. One little hint, "It ain't gonna be good. Now you two can spit and sputter your hate. {Get-er-done]

Let me be the first today, Hal
"Unless those "civilians" take up arms against the constitution. Succession is not allowed under the constitution."

Actually, "succession" is dealt with in the Constitution. See Amendment 25, for example.

On the other hand, if you meant "secession," that term is mentioned not at all in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or any of the subsequent Amendments.

Congratulations, Hal: you take your place with Dr. Douglas as a proven liar/ignoramus/fool or some combination of the three.

A necessary Evil
Breaking up the country through secession or revolution would be a tragedy, but it may shortly be a necessity. No more bailouts, no more global warming scam, no more robbing Peter to pay Paul, no more using my tax dollars to support immoral abortion and embryonic stem cell research - NO MORE!

If this is the fate of the country, I feel confident the founders would approve. After all, they did the same thing for many of the same reasons.

Hey Hal - why don't you go down to Houston and challenge Chuck in the martial arts tournament? We could settle whether or not he's a real hero in about two seconds. You know, as a public service to us all.

Jim
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 8:47 AM EST
Good article Chuck
I think all the red states should depart from the union. It is about time the blue areas know where their bread is buttered.
Texas could be the tip of the spear of succession from this ungodly union we now appear to have..."

LMAO turn and run conservatives LOL. You lost an election your conservatism caused tremendous damage to the nation and now you want to steal entire parts of the country. Typical...and very sad but at least you are exposed as sunshine patriots

"...To Hal, whoever you are, You could not hold a candle to Chuck Norris my friend. Also did you serve or are you just another of those as you put it, "you are a pretend hero ala John Wayne"? By the way, you cannot hold a candle to John Wayne either."

LOL Yes I served. I am not an actor who pretends to be a patriot for profit. I am just your average liberal (Anne said I could use that word in here LOL) and I am and have been a patriot.

Hal -- while we're on the subject
"Sadly we will crush you again if need be you fair weather patriot."

While I hate to harsh the mellow on your favorite self-stimulatory fantasy, was this when you were flying B-52s off the USS Arizona, or was it when you were the chief nuclear tech on the Bon Homme Richard? I forget...

Doc Liberty
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 8:52 AM EST
Let me be the first today, Hal
"Unless those "civilians" take up arms against the constitution. Succession is not allowed under the constitution."

Actually, "succession" is dealt with in the Constitution. See Amendment 25, for example.

On the other hand, if you meant "secession," that term is mentioned not at all in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or any of the subsequent Amendments."

Thank you - darn auto correct and poor proofing LOL. Secession was settled by the Civil War and the preamble itself creates a Union there is no sundering. This is settled law.


Chuck Norris for President
Mr. Norris, you are FABULOUS! I will move to Texas in about one minute when the tide changes.

Doc Liberty
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 8:56 AM EST
Hal -- while we're on the subject
"Sadly we will crush you again if need be you fair weather patriot."

While I hate to harsh the mellow..."

What the heck are you talking about?

I Can't Help It; I Will Answer Doofus
8:40am

"Unless those "civilians" take up arms against the constitution. Succession is not allowed under the constitution."

Wow! Talk about a fruedian slip! Doofus "success" is allowed by the Constitution. But now I understand Liberals. In their mind, "Success" is not allowed for anyone but Liberals. LMAO

However Doofus, my conversations with active duty military personnel were quite clear. "We the people" are the heart and soul of the Constitution. In the event of a secession by the "people", the vast majority of the US military will go with us.

If you and the Liberals want to stop it, you and the Liberals will have to fight to stop it. Are you ready to start a war?

Doofus You Forget One Thing
"Thank you - darn auto correct and poor proofing LOL. Secession was settled by the Civil War and the preamble itself creates a Union there is no sundering. This is settled law."

In the event of a war concerning "secession", it is only "settled law" if your side wins.

If on the other hand, the side that secedes wins, than it is not "settled law".

Mark
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 8:53 AM EST
A necessary Evil
Breaking up the country through secession or revolution would be a tragedy, but it may shortly be a necessity..- NO MORE!

If this is the fate of the country, I feel confident the founders would approve. After all, they did the same thing for many of the same reasons..."

Utter rubbish. Our founders were liberals for one thing. You sunshine patriots are such whining sunshine patriots typical. Use everything up and then try to skip out on the bill - typical

"...Hey Hal - why don't you go down to Houston and challenge Chuck in the martial arts..."

LMAO typical juvenile comment. Good grief you really are pitiful

Hal -- a clearer explanation
First, the Preamble does not have the force of law.

Second, the Civil War may have tabled the question through force of arms, but it did not settle the question legally. Brute force does not equal law.

Third, I realize you go through a tube or so of hand lotion a week imagining yourself "crushing" those who agree with you (like most liberals), but if you knew anything about the military, you'd know why my last question was funny. The fact that you do not is further proof that you are a liar, ignoramus, and fool.

CHUCK NORRIS FOR PRESIDENT !
Good article Chuck, many Texans would be behind you. I was born and grew up in Texas and understand the independent pioneer spirit of Texas that thrives yet.

We may appear uncouth to those Eastern elites, but we have the gumption and guts that is needed to honor, protect and defend our constituion.

Also, Texas has all that is required to survive independently, large port, oil and gas, cattle and agriculture, seafood, NASA, people who are willing to work hard and are committed to liberty.

REMEMBER THE ALAMO, REMEMBER GOLIAD! Viva la independence!

Joel-De Oppresso Liber 9:11am
You have written a superb analysis.

But we must be careful. No one who has any concept of what a war means wants one to start. That is why we must carefully look at the effects of what we are considering.

Whatever "We the people" do, we must do it in a manner that the World will understand WHY we are doing it.

We can no longer afford to be hasty. The World is a dangerous place. And with Obama as POTUS, it is getting more dangerous every day.

Gray Ghost
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 9:10 AM EST
I Can't Help It; I Will Answer ....
8:40am

... In their mind, "Success" is not allowed for anyone but Liberals. LMAO"

Grrr I am turning off auto correct thank you for correcting me

"...However ...., my conversations with active duty military personnel were quite clear. "We the people" are the heart and soul of the Constitution. In the event of a secession by the "people", the vast majority of the US military will go with us..."

Wrong the heart and soul of the constitution is what is written along with legislation and the law. The troops know this. Remember when we had to integrate your schools at the point of a bayonet?

"...If you and the Liberals want to stop it, you and the Liberals will have to fight to stop it. Are you ready to start a war?"

LMAO stop it we will and if you want civil war you will initiate it. Heack you have proven you are too incompetent to govern and too weak to fight wars as a country; you may want to reconsider LOL

Never mind President
We need a good Senator, for now. We need TWO good Senators, in fact. And a good Governor.

There are plenty of existing offices you can run for, Chuck. Pick one, and we'll get you elected.

Doofus: You Are the One Who Is "Pitiful"
"Utter rubbish. Our founders were liberals for one thing. You sunshine patriots are such whining sunshine patriots typical."

I will answer you with your own words Doofus.

LMAO typical juvenile comment. Good grief you really are pitiful.

Ready to secede!
Chuck, I live in Texas and I am just waiting for the secessionist movement to begin. As much as I love my country, the USA, it doesn't look like I can afford to live in it anymore. So, on with the Republic of Texas and the freedoms of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness!

Until the revolution begins, how 'bout you run for Governor? Sure would be nice to have a conservative in Austin, although twould be a lonely place for a conservative.

Brave behind the Veil
"Look you unpatriotic cry baby; you lost an election. - We won, nyah,nyah"

"I might also remind you that you are a pretend hero ala John Wayne and not a real hero ala many of today's soldiers. - Like who, you Hal?"

Juvenile and cowardly - it's easy to be a thug in cyberspace Hal.

FYI - I use nothing I haven't paid for through my own efforts, never have taken a handout for anything, never have skipped out on a bill that I incurred. I'm also pretty sure that if you could somehow speak with the founders and called them liberals in today's context, you would be slapped with a glove and challenged to duel.

Doc Liberty
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 9:17 AM EST
Hal -- a clearer explanation
First, the Preamble does not have the force of law.

Second, the Civil War may have tabled the question through force of arms, but it did not settle the question legally. Brute force does not equal law."

I disagree on both counts.

"...Third, ...you'd know why my last question was funny. The fact that you do not is further proof that you are a liar, ignoramus, and fool."

Make all the fun you want of my military service. It again proves that conservatives despise both veterans and the military

Doofus 9:22am
"LMAO stop it we will and if you want civil war you will initiate it. Heack you have proven you are too incompetent to govern and too weak to fight wars as a country; you may want to reconsider LOL"

No, we won't reconsider Doofus. You, Obama, and the rest of the Liberals are pushing every American in this country into a corner.

If we are "too weak", why are you so verbose? Since you served in the US military, you know what a 2nd Civil War means. And yet, instead of trying to be "civil" in your replies, you become more and more angry and arrogant. Why?

Is it because your actions are being questioned by your peers ,and Liberals do not recognize any one elese to be their equals?

Sorry, the state has filled its quota
To those offering to move to Texas let me say "Please don't!" We already have one too many chuckleheads living here in the person of Chuck Norris. As a native Texan I'm appalled I have to share my state with his un-American ilk.

Joel-De Oppresso Liber
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 9:23 AM EST
Slander
You defame the Founders of this great Nation! The Founders were "liberal" by the standards of the time because they believed in, and fought for, individual liberty. For you to imply that they would hold the same beliefs as todays "liberals" is the worst sort of slander!,,,"

They were products of the enlightenment. They would laugh at modern conservatism. You folks could use some education in reality not some myths that you have been passing off as history.

All you Texans remember why you joined the Union. It was fear of Mexico. You came in fear and no you want to leave in fear

Joel-DE Oppresso Liber 9:29am
I also think of my grandchildren. For the last 50 years, this country has been "building" to this moment. Look at what is occurring:

Political dissent is being "hammered" by the Left.

A Stimulus Package is about to go into effect that will place this country in debt beyond our wildest fantasies. And most of it appears to be no more than "political payoffs".

Politicians are being shown to be the ones who are breaking the law in regards to the payment of income tax.

I agree with you. We have a duty to correct the situation, or die trying. Like you, God has given me a responsibilty to take care of those "under my charge".

The Founding Fathers Weren't "Liberals"
Regardless of what TH's resident Liberal Troll says, the Founding Fathers wren't "Liberals". The terms "Conservative" and "Liberal" weren't even in existence at that point in time.

Instead, you must look at the actions of both sides during the Revolutionary period and decide for yourself:

Crippling Taxes: The side of the King (and today's Liberals)

No political dissent: The side of the King (and today's Liberals)

No private ownership of firearms: The side of the King (and today's Liberals)

I am sure many of you can come up with more comparisons for this list.

Liberal Trolls Are Paid to Come Here!
This comment is directed to any newcomers to Townhall. Most of the Liberal "Trolls" who comment here are PAID to comment at Conservative sites.

The reason they are paid to do so is simple. First, they disrupt the "flow" of Conservative ideas.

Second, they are able to "bully" any moderate who expressses any concept different than the Liberal "Talking Points".

To be sure, some of them are highly intelligent and have admirable backgrounds. But also be sure they are paid to comment at Conservative sites.

Watch the comments of some of the "long time" commentators and columnists here at Townhall. When you see some one attack them, in a manner that approaches almost pure hatred, then you have "spotted" a Liberal Troll.

hal 26
The US military will "stand" with the Constitution of the US. They will not fight the civilians."

Unless those "civilians" take up arms against the constitution. Succession (I'm sure you meant secession) is not allowed under the constitution.

Hal, it is not the constitution the civilians will be taking up arms against, it is one who would be a ursurper of our constitution civilians would take up arms against, and the constitution allows for that specifically.

Applied to the United States Constitution, which Federal and State officials are sworn to support, this means that--in resisting Federal officials who, as usurpers, defy the limits on their powers imposed by the "supreme Law of the Land"--the people and governments of the States are opposing Rule-by-Man and defending Rule-by-Law (basically the people's fundamental law: the Constitution). They are thus defending the Constitution against its violators: the Federal usurpers; and they are acting in defense of the people's God-given, unalienable rights and the States' reserved powers. The American philosophy and system of constitutionally limited government contemplates that the people of the several States--acting through their State governments--will, in last resort, use force to oppose any force employed by the Federal usurpers, that they will use military force (Militia of the States) to oppose any military force used by such usurpers; as Hamilton and Madison explained in detail in The Federalist, numbers 28 and 46.

President of Texas
We need a good president here in Texas. Mr. Norris you have my vote.
As I type this there are 3 bills currently in committee of state affairs that go directly to this move.
HCR 50 is one of two resolutions to reclaim our state's sovereignty.
HCR 76 is another bill that establishes nullfcation protocol.
For Texans write you state rep and senator. Go on line and find the chairman of state affairs committee and ask them to put these 3 bills on the floor for a vote.
Write or call Speaker of the House Straus and ask him to expedite a vote on these 3 bills.
Texas independence is becoming the major theme of all conservative conversation.
To those that feel conservatives dismiss our military.....How stupid are you? We support our troops no matter what their status,active, served, reserve or retired.
GOD BLESS AMERICA

If you want to keep your Bucks vote
for Chuck!

I'll definitely vote for you Chuck, your values and morals mirror my own. I think you would be a great president!

Alaska
will be easier to defend.

NOT SO EASY TO LEAVE FEDERAL TEAT

.....Before TEXAS or any other State considers seccesion they should first refuse all federal money or mandates for a year at least to see if they can govern themselves ...

.....How would TEXAS deal with the thousand of pensioners who are surviving on a Social Security check? ...would citizens who have become dependent on Federal social programs be offered viable alternatives ...

.....What about protection of the military? ...that was the reason Texas joined the Union because they needed the Union army to protect themselves from Mexican invasion ...

.....Although it is frustrating to many Texans to live under a Central Government that is controlled by the Liberal big population centers on the East and West coasts ...independence brings its own set of problems ...things are going to have to get a lot more oppressive before any talk of independence becomes a viable option .....COLOSSUS

Republic of Texas- Again
Just this morning as I was getting ready for work, listening to the news, my thoughts were on this very subject. As a 6th generation Texan, and has always lived in Texas, I totally agree with you, Chuck.

Oh Hal . . .
time to educate ya on secession.

Article III of the Rhode Island Ratification of the U.S. Constitution: III. "That the powers of government may be reassumed by the people whensoever it shall become necessary to their happiness."

This is from the preamble of the Virginia Ratification to the U.S. Constitution: "...declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the people of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression..."

Finally, from the preamble of the New York Ratification of the U.S. Constitution: "That the powers of government may be reassumed by the people whensoever it shall become necessary to their happiness;"

Also, since the Constitution does not in any way give the federal government the ability to deny a state's sovereignty nor its right to secede, then it allows the states to do so. The 10th Amendment guarantees that any right or power not specifically given to the fed belongs to the states. This can be backed up by every one of the original 13 ratifications of the Constitution (and probably subsequent ones as well).

Useful Idiots
Hal has revealed his true colors. He is an intellectual bigot who despises anyone living in the South. He hates Republicans and Conservatives. The only reason he supported integration of schools in the South is to keep a certain undesirable element in the South. If Hal was alive before the Civil War, he would have been one of those Northerners who said "slavery was bad but I'm not hiring one of those..." Like many others, Hal would have been perfectly content to let Frederick Douglas starve as a free man in the North.

baseballdoc - Texas and Florida have economies and tax revenues greater some countries, ranking in the top 25. Texas could easily handle becoming Independent. Think of all of the natural resources NOT being utilized due to Federal Regulations and Environmentalists. Your test of not taking Federal Monies fails because Texas would still have to operate under Federal Laws that hamper Free Trade.

Deonwulf 10:32am
"Hal has revealed his true colors. He is an intellectual bigot who despises anyone living in the South. He hates Republicans and Conservatives."

Excellent analysis!

You have "nailed" the Doofus. During the Civil War he would have probably hired a substitute. In no way does he represent the brave men who served in the Union armies of that period. To make any comparison between him and Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain (or the men in the "Iron" Brigade) is ludicrous.

Firing the First Shot
As with our fore fathers, let us come together in open protest of the usurping of the Constitution. Let us, as American citizens again show that we are fed up with the trashing of our freedoms, and the rush to a marxist/totalitrian state.
The first steps are to join together with those who are taking to the streets in protest over the spending of taxpayers monies in "stimulus"; which will lead to a higher taxation just to pay the intrest on the debt being incured and growing.
Go to Freedomworks.org and Imwithrick.com to find one of the many tea parties happening all over this nation; and then get off your butt and join in. United as Americans against the coming tyranny. That is how our forefathers did it.We can too, if we got the guts.
Yes these trolls come here to defend their "hero", but they will run when they see that Americans are fed up. Maybe we can get Calif. to seceed and they all can go live there, and be happy together. They sure do not want America to be a free nation any more, they even say so. Just listen to their words.

Carter and Hal
Let me preface this with the fact that I am a conservative and also a native of Massachusetts. Two years ago we(the citizens of the most Liberal state in the country) elected a man named Deval Patrick as Governor. The same Deval Patrick who served as an advisor to Barack Obama during the campaign. Patrick's campaign slogan was geared around "Hope and Change". Sound familiar? Following is an excerpt from the web site of WBZ-the number one radio and TV station in New England:

"The Survey USA poll of 600 adults found only 28-percent approving of Patrick's performance in office, while 69-percent disapprove.

Among the state's most important voting block, independents, the news is even worse, with only 18 percent approval and a whopping 78-percent disapproving.

BUSH-LIKE NUMBERS

For perspective, look at it this way.

When Gov. Patrick took the oath of office 26 months ago, his job approval rating was over 60 percent, about where President Obama is right now.

Today, Patrick's approval rating has collapsed to about where President George W. Bush was in his final days in office."

Patrick and Obama have the same ideology when it comes to government spending and control.
The Liberal Voters in Massachusetts are rejecting Patrick's Hope and Change schtick
faster than the traffic lights change in Harvard Square!

Question for you two mental midgets-if Massachusetts is rejecting this abomination where does that put the rest of the country? Very few outside of Mass. are as virulently Liberal as the lemmings are here in my home state. Doesn't hold much promise for liberals when the country decides enough is enough.

Mod Mark
Why force Texas to pay for a debt created by Blue State Congressmen?

Many Red States are forced to accept Federal Monies because of Federal Regulations that keep the Red States from exploiting their own natural resources.

Florida, Texas, and Alaska would do just fine with oil and natural gas sales. Georgia would do fine with agricultural sales on the world market. Virginia would continue mining coal. Alabama would continue to sell bauxite and could challenge DeBeers(sp?) for a share of the diamond market. Other Red States would be free to develop Nuclear Power Plants to provide cheap energy to power various manufacturing industries.

In short, without the parasite of the Federal Government keeping the Red States sickly and dependent, the South could quickly outproduce the Blue States.

Hal in Pa
The truth of the matter is Hal, you wouldn't make a pimple on John Wayne's or Chuck Norris' @ss.

Cowardly Postings
It is interesting that a certain liberal troll who can be found posting here rarely challenges columnists like Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams, two men who espouse ideals that destroy the beliefs of that liberal troll.

GrayGhost
Yet MoronicMark and HalDrunkahue were FINE with Libtards leaving the country when Bush was President. Also I thought Libtards ABHORRED violence, yet the Bishop of Budweiser THREATENS folks with destruction at the mention of secession. No worries though, the way the Sail Eared Simpleton is going, we will be hunting Liberals on horseback by 2012. LMAO! HIC!

Carl, no it seems like Texas has too
many limp wristed girly-men like you! You would soil your drawers if you ever were face-to-face with Chuck. He could simply say "Boo!" and you would run crying for your mommy!

Starting our own coumtry
Its past time that the good people of Texas voted to get out of this present day mad house known as the united states of america.Our future, and our childrens future is being decided by a bunch of know nothing hard headed leftest washington D.C. politicans. We must act before it is too late, that is, if it not too late already. ARROW

Wasting Your Time
You guys are wasting your time arguing will Hal I-dunno et al. In order to have an intelligent conversation, you have to at the very least be grounded in some sort of factual basis, and these guys...Hal especially...have demonstrated repeatedly that they have no factual foundation from which to argue.

A statement on this thread, for example, where I-dunno states that conservatives hate the soldiers and the military is a case in point. How do you argue with insanity? And no amount of proof offered have any impact. Truth is as foreign to him and his ilk as light is to a troll. If they're exposed to sunlight they turn to stone, so they insist on staying in the dark.

Another favorite line of theirs is that the founders were liberals, which is true, they were liberal in label, but they were actually to the right of today's Republican Party. A simple and honest reading of their statements and writings will provide ample repudiation of the positions held by the "liberals" of today. These guys aren't worthy to empty the chamber pots of the liberal founders.

And finally, I think it is interesting how emphatically they oppose anyone going their own way and setting up their own governance. Puts me in mind of, say...Cuba...China...Soviet Union...East Germany...the Iron Curtain. "You are our slaves, and we will not tolerate freedom from anyone for any reason." Must be why the new Democrat Party slogan is "we're not happy till you're not happy!"

Why 'Hal-le" will NOT …
"… go down to Houston and challenge Chuck in the martial arts..."

Hal-le's reply:
"LMAO typical juvenile comment. Good grief you really are pitiful"

-- Yeah, Hal. Uh-huh.

Good grief, I couldn't go down to Houston and challenge that "pretend hero ala John Wayne" in the martial arts -- I would get my leftie, weenie, sissy, pantywaist, limp-wrist little heinie handed right back to me!

Ooh! You right-wing boys play too rough! Ooh!

OK
You've got my vote. Will you be joining us at the barricades?

Texan lost in Fl,orida
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Actually living outside the U.S.

Amen and amen and AMEN.!!.

Chuck you have just further ratified yourself with me and maybe millions more.

My two sons in Texas will support you even if I am a little old to do much good. As former Marines (once-a-Marine), sons and grandsons of Marines, (Grandad, U.S.M.C. 1926-1946) they will know how to give you and ours that support.

Count on it.
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U.S. Military
I have often wondered what the military and national guard would do in the event of another revolution. Would they follow the commands of the commander in chief and take up arms against their fellow citizens, or join forces with the citizens. We have a formidable military; I hope they'd go with the people. It would be a horrible decision to have to make, though.

Hey, kbTexan:
WELL SAID, friend.

ALL the way through.

And Texas rocks.

I am all for seceding our state
From the USA!Just an example is Austin.When the internet bubble busted they all moved to Austin and caused our housing prices to go outta site because they had tons of money from the sales of their California homes..Now they are infecting our Texas Government with their liberal radical voting for wild-eyes dems who want to turn us into California.Personally, I find this treasonous and we know what we do with those kinda people.I call for us to bring back the "line-em-up" and "Shoot-em" policies of the wild west.We have the worse radical liberal inexperienced President ever with the worse liberal Congress ever in the history of our country trying to destroy our country from with in.They are systematically destroy our economy,stockmarket,fabric of our Society and turning us into a welfare nation!We need a grassroots rebellion by recalling all wacko congress people now!Soon we shall see people rioting in the streets like our European counterparts but the thing is we have guns and they don't!

Gods and Generals
That is where we are.

Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee were right.

Abraham Lincoln was wrong.

And for the record...
I am not in favor of Texas seceding from the US. I am in favor of driving the commie libs OUT OF POWER in our country and letting all Americans...from sea to shining sea...live in freedom, peace, and prosperity once and for all. It ain't time to be retreating, friends, it's a time to be driving the enemy out of our cherished institutions and halls of government.

Mark..how conveniently
you choose to forget that the Dems have controlled the congress for the last two years of the Bush Administration..Blocking Bush from fixing your Dems favorite pet project,Fannie and Freddie Mac 'causing this economic meltdown with their infecting banks around the world with their "bundled-up" virus of bad assets..ie loaning money to deadbeats who can't afford those homes.At least conservatives can see the truth and don't continue to spin their lying rhetoric to try and brainwash people into their ideological beliefs.That truly must be a malfunction of your brain that you can't even be logical and tell the truth!

Joel..That would be assuming
that it would happen all over the USA but you must take into account that States like Michigan,California and Washington are all lost.They can't be saved

Blue vs gray vs blue vs red
This coming conflict will not be blue versus gray, of course.

It will be red versus blue. But given that there are red sympathizers in New York and blue sympathizers in Arkansas, things are going to be quite complicated this time around.

Obviously, this war cannot be fought geographically. That means it is ideological and spiritual in nature, to a degree that no war in human history has ever been before. The American Revolutionary and Civil wars came close to this in spirit, but the historical circumstances there ultimately precluded analogy to what we face today.

Because the battle is for the hearts and minds of men, the primary weapons here must be words and ideas -- truth versus lies. This is a war of world views.

It all may advance to the realm of firearms, though, and to who knows what else besides.

Mod Mark - Useful Idiot
I said nothing about Republicans, I said Blue State Congressmen...the major producers of Federal Regulations that hamper Free Trade. However, I will grant you that there were some idiots claiming to be from the Red States in Congress but after they let Newt be run out, they stopped being Southerners.

Since when does Oil not produce a great deal of wealth? Wealth generated by mining is relative to what is being mined. Agriculture can support an economy long enough to attract other industries...Celtic Tiger anyone?

If manufacturing jobs are not enough to support an economy, why then is everyone crying about those jobs being lost?

Freed from the Federal Overseers and Environuts, the South would rise up and be a strong economic power. If the South adopted the Fair Tax, the Red States could become the Financial Capital of the world.

Stop believing in the myths being perpetuated about the South being poor states with no real economic potential or power. It was a lie in 1860 and is a lie today. There is nothing magical about the North that makes it the place to develop computer software or other innovations. Texas Instruments is named that for a reason.

Good morning GreyGhost
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Glad to see you with us today. How's the contracting going.??.

A note to all you gun nutts. Be sure you got lots of ammo. Guns with out ammo, lot's of it, are useless as teets on a boar hog. Why do you suppose these new people in Washington want to oblige the ammo manufacturers to stamp a mark on all ammo produced after they enact there proposals. They even propose the same for hand loads; plainly identifiable as to source and sales point with probable registration.

If this pretends to be an American whom we allowed to be sworn in gets his way there will be a big shortage of both guns and ammo. The problems in Mexico are designed and gonna be used to limit our buying of "the right to secede or recreate our government as the people shall determine best".

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David S.
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I found your post very well written and an eye opener for most. Hang in there New Yorker. And by the way there were sympathies both ways in the original Blue versus Grey conflict. Your up state and most rural areas throughout the country have sympathies that have little to do with North-South locations. People are not that different when there sovereignties are threatened.
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Texas, etc...
You (Chuck)run for "President" of Texas and I'M THERE!!
If Arizona doesn't secede from the "Union", I'm leavin the U.S. anyway.

The main thing that is chapping my behind is this... (and I know the answer too)... Why are all the Mayors of cities these days BLACK, and all the homeless people WHITE???!!! The answer is Bleeding-Heart American Liberalism!! Until a couple of years ago, this was the good ole U.S. of A! Now it should be called AfriMexiStan!!!
Especially with an Islamic-Muslim-African in the WHITE House!!

Tombstone Doc

The End of Federalism
Aahhhh, to be simple minded like Chuck and live in a simple world, liberal vs. conservative.

There is a conservative book out "Hamilton's Curse" which traces today's debt back to the very beginning. By conservative I mean libertarian. Social conservatives are not conservatives, just simple minded value voters.

And the author of that book is right, Federalism died in 1913. That was the year the Income Tax amendment was passed, Senators were changed from State to Popular vote, and the Federal Reserve was created.

The States today are impotent in face of the Federal Government. Not so in the beginning. Supreme Court rulings were considered "advisements" and routinely ignored by the states.

Hard to imagine that happening today.

This problem of debt has been in the making ever since Hamilton won the Assumption bill.

But leave it to a conservative like Norris to know nothing about history. Also, Chuck, what what would you be "President" of? What makes you think even if you simply tried to enact the current Constitution that the problems experienced by Jefferson and Washington you would not be subjected too?

Stupid people "Oh just put me in charge". And how old are you Chuck? Sounds like another Texan to me, "Things would be much easier if this were a dictatorship, as long as I was the dictator."

Another George Bush.



Hal, thanks for the reply
Myself: "First, the Preamble does not have the force of law.

Second, the Civil War may have tabled the question through force of arms, but it did not settle the question legally. Brute force does not equal law."

Hal: I disagree on both counts.

Doc: Then you're a fool and a totalitarian. The first we all knew, the second is only now coming to life.

"...Third, ...you'd know why my last question was funny. The fact that you do not is further proof that you are a liar, ignoramus, and fool."

"Make all the fun you want of my military service. It again proves that conservatives despise both veterans and the military."

Au contraire (a little Euro-lingo for the socialists, there). I admire both veterans and the military. Since neither category includes YOU, OTOH...

But don't let me keep you. Your fellow Starship Troopers need your help against the Bugs! Or, were you working with Robbie and the other Space Rangers in Star Command? Yes, that's it, I remember your battle cry --

TO INANITY AND BEYOND!



Hummph
" United we stand, divided we fall."
Aesop
Greek slave & fable author (620 BC - 560 BC)

So, the good people of Texas seem to think they can live without the rest of the states. Right. I'd give Texas a month, two on the outside, before Texas looked just like Tijuana.

Modern man became modern man because of three fundamental differences with primitive man: language, tools and social groups.

The United States is arguably the largest and most successful social group and what is Chuck's answer? Easy, just withdraw. Great. And what social group would Texas become. Oh yeah, that's right. We already know the answer to that question: Mexico.

Texas would become part of Mexico by being overrun with Mexicans. Texans would have to decide which border needed the most guns: North or South. Now there's a laugh. Trade being part of the US to become a part of Mexico.

I think we should grant Texans their wish and let them secede, then we can film the whole thing and turn it into a reality show that is one part Survivor and three parts hysterical comedy.

Norris could go from an action hero to a comic joke butt.

m.a.
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 11:30 AM EST
U.S. Military
I have often wondered what the military and national guard would do in the event of another revolution. Would they follow the commands of the commander in chief and take up arms against their fellow citizens, or join forces with the citizens. We have a formidable military; I hope they'd go with the people. It would be a horrible decision to have to make, though."

They will make the exact same decision they made in the 1950's and 60's when they integrated southern schools. They will support congress and the president as required by the Constitution. You cardboard heroes can make all the noise you like but since you already have shown you are trying to cut and run you can't do much.

Doc Liberty
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 1:14 PM EST
Hal, thanks for the reply
Myself: "First, the Preamble does not have the force of law.

Second, the Civil War may have tabled the question through force of arms, but it did not settle the question legally. Brute force does not equal law."

Hal: I disagree on both counts.

Doc: Then you're a fool and a totalitarian. The first we all knew, the second is only now coming to life."

LOL Look cut and run all you want but the country stays. I hope that you never claimed to be a patriot? ahhh but of course you did? LOL

"...Make all the fun you want of my military service. It again proves that conservatives despise both veterans and the military."

Au contraire (a little Euro-lingo for the socialists, there). I admire both veterans and the military. Since neither category includes YOU, OTOH..."

LMAO but you see both actually do I am a retired Air Force officer to this very day and I am a military veteran. Those are both facts. Saying oh no does not make it otherwise

Say, Dracula’s Refraction:
Simple-minded “values” voters are intelligent enough to understand the connection between individual conduct and social well-being.

So sorry that’s too complex for a libertarian California vampire to puzzle out.

Some libertarians do have an occasional good idea, but then they start toking on that chiba stuff, and that’s the end of that.

Every Townhall reader knows all about 1913 and the Fed and the armed-robbery many call the American income tax, just as we know all about the Ponzi scheme called Social Security. So can the lecture.

I don’t agree with every position Chuck Norris takes, but I’d say his secessionist ideas are respectable. I'd also say his grasp of history runs circles around that of the entire history departments of UniCalif and CalState combined. This is because historical reinvention ain’t history -- it’s fiction. Those state-sponsored “historians” are creative-writing tutors and PR hacks, nothing more.

Any kid graduating with a mastery of the material in Norris’ Black Belt Patriotism is better equipped to function and lead in a constitutional republic than one indoctrinated from any textbook ever assigned at Davis or Berkeley.

VAMPIRE'S REFLECTION
You don't know Texas and you don't kow Texans, so you don't know what the he** you are talking about.

The men in Texas are not like you girly men in California. Your quote "Texas would become a part of Mexico by being overrun with with Mexicans." What I hear is that California is already overrun with illegals and that is why your state is broke. A few facts:

1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stationsin L. A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
All ten of the above are from the L.A. Times.

Less than 2% illegals aliens are picking your crops but 29% are on welfare.
California is full of fools and many are leaving as fast as they can.

What say you Girly Man?



re: David S.
I say secede. Please. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Good Luck with the Border.

Actually the real irony is that millions of libertarians are in the west, as Ron Paul hails from Texas and so is the libertarian economist who wrote "Hamilton's Curse".

So, if Texas were to secede the libertarians may just have enough votes in Texas to get the last laugh over the value voters.


Ahh yes
I had a good laugh while reviewing some of these comments. If your phone and email service starts acting funny, thank Bush for FISA.

re: Reba
Ok, you got the ad hominum talking points.

Now, how 'bout some facts to go with the insults?


Who's got the bigger economy? Texas or California? Divide that economy per capita, which state has a bigger economy per capita?

"
Less than 2% illegals aliens are picking your crops but 29% are on welfare."

Hmmmm, and yet California has a larger economy than Texas, both in total dollars and per capita.

You know, gives new meaning to that expression "Texas where men are men and sheep are nervous." I mean even with those 29 percent on welfare California's economy still mops the floor with the Texas economy.

Oh well. Do youself a favor and look up housing prices, number of millionaires, etc and compare California to Texas.

Then look at all the disparaging remarks you made about California and realize it is still doing better than Texas even with all those disparaging handicaps. ha ha!





A Modest Proposal
Mr. Reflection - Texas has an economy and tax revenues that are the envy of many countries across the world and you think Texas would fail on its own?

Let's do an experiment then...we let all of the Southern States secede from the United States to form a second CSA, without slavery as an issue.

You can sit back in California and laugh at how poorly the new country does without Environmentalists restricting all energy development, how the CSA "struggles" in the world market without Federal Protectionism, how they are forced to deal with every corporation in the world when the CSA adopts the Fair Tax.

I'm sure it will be all giggles and guffaws when the CSA tries to govern with expenditures only allowed to be single items and requiring a 2/3rds majority. Silly CSA!

How could anyone expect to survive without the United States Federal Government telling them what to do all of the time?

Hal
You said: "They will support congress and the president as required by the Constitution."

You are correct by adding "as required by the Constitution." The Constitution does NOT say that the military MUST obey Congress and the President regardless of whether they are right or wrong.

When Clinton was in office a questionare was sent to the military and to the police in the U.S. One of the quesions was: "Would you shoot on a crowd of American protestors if ordered to do so?"

Nearly 100% refused to do so simply due to an order. I doubt that this has changed. American military personnel are the only ones in the world who are encouraged to think for themselves. That is one reason we are so successful in battle. It will extend to supressing Americans too. I doubt if very many would be willing to fight their brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, etc. just because someone gives them an order to do so - UNLESS the military personnel are certain that their relatives are in the wrong.

Vampire's Reflection
The reason the border isn't sealed in Texas and Arizona is because the Feds stop them.

The reason it isn't sealed in California is because we stop the Feds.

People need a reality check when it comes to Mexico. If they are so great why is their country such a sewer? If they are so smart why is their country such a sewer?

There is a reason that country is a third world sewer and it isn't a lack of resources, it is a lack of brains, yet somehow, we are all shock and amazed when they come here and exhibit the same behavior. It is liked being shocked and amazed when a thief steals.

Dracula
You:
"I say secede. Please. Don't let the door hit you on the way out."

Me:
Please. I can't move quick enough.

About 1967-68
There was a riot in Detroit. The police couldn't stop it, the state police couldn't stop it, the National Guard couldn't stop it, so they called in the military. It stopped.

It wasn't because the military would fight the civilians. It wasn't because they were ordered to fight. It was because the military realized that most of the rioters were destroying property and stealing rather than protesting anything as the MSM kept trying to say.

The military will stop riots etc. in the U.S. if needed. BUT ... I don't think they will act to fight civilians who are simply trying to protect themselves. There is a BIG difference. The problem is the at the officials want complete and total obediance so they can do what they want and enforce what they want with the police and military. That is one reason we do NOT have a dictator here like other countries do. Our military thinks for themselves and obeys the orders they know are right - not the ones given to help people like Hussain or Hitler.

Empty Reflection
Just how many Fortune 500 companies are headquartered in California? Texas has 58.

While still larger than Texas' GDP, California's GDP has been shrinking in growth as compared to Texas. Texas may soon catch up.

Imagine what Texas' GDP would be without Federal Environmental Regulations or excessive Federal Taxes?

How much energy did Texas have to buy from other states? Oh yeah, that's what California does.

While ranked lower than California on a list of States as Independent Nations, Texas still would rank 15...not exactly a third world ranking.

Why are companies fleeing from California to Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, etc. if things are so great there?

Why would the Northern half of California be first in line to vote the Southern half of the state out if California is so great?

Delightful Libertarian Rhetoric
I'm sorry to tell you this, but the author of "Hamilton's Curse" is a fool. The notion of social conservatives being simple minded for voting "values" is, as well, foolishness. What is the constitution comprised of? Put simply: Principles and based on values. I don't know, maybe you think society should consist solely of mathematicians and accounts who are "above values," but you know what? If they documented every lifestyle choice and the general outcome of the quality of society based on those principles, they would arrive at the conclusion that society is best off living under social conservative ideals. The person who says they are socially conservative but isn't fiscally conservative is confused.

re: Deornwulf
You know there are other options than just seceding from the Union.

Hamilton's Curse recommends we can start be repealing the amendment that gave us the income tax, repeal the amendment that made Senators popular vote, and then also do away with the Federal Reserve.

I'd also pass a "balanced budget" amendment that says the Federal Government can never collect gross taxes in an amount that would surpass the combined tax revenues of those collected by all 50 states combined.

We need to bring back Federalism. The states are no longer a check on the Federal government.

But hey, secede. I'm totally confident that simple people with simpled minded solutions will result in disastrous consequences in the modern world. In other words, seceding only looks good to you because you have no understanding of the complexity of the modern world, and if you don't understand that complexity then by extension the government created will not be sophisticated to stand the test of time.

I personally have no problem with the entire South sedceding from the Union. Every man has the right to risk his life in order to save it. Maybe if the South spent a century figuring out that what they don't know can hurt them they can actually enjoy being part of the US when the CSA decides to throw in the towel.

It is a pipe dream to think seceding will solve your problems. But hey, I say grant your pipe dream.


Hey, Lestat's Infraction:
You wrote:
"So, if Texas were to secede the libertarians may just have enough votes in Texas to get the last laugh over the value voters."

-- Will the libbies by then have learned anything about that link between personal conduct and the social order?

I doubt it, so any last-laughing they do at that time will probably be fueled by toking that aforementioned chiba stuff.


45caliber
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 2:08 PM EST
Hal
You said: "They will support congress and the president as required by the Constitution."

You are correct by adding "as required by the Constitution." The Constitution does NOT say that the military MUST obey Congress and the President regardless of whether they are right or wrong.

When Clinton was in office a questionare was sent to the military and to the police in the U.S. One of the quesions was: "Would you shoot on a crowd of American protestors if ordered to do so?"

Nearly 100% refused to do so simply due to an order. I doubt that this has changed. "

I certainly hope not. There is a difference between lawful and unlawful order. There is also no cause for self defense.

"...American military personnel are the only ones in the world who are encouraged to think for themselves. That is one reason we are so successful in battle. It will extend to supressing Americans too. I doubt if very many would be willing to fight their brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, etc. just because someone gives them an order to do so - UNLESS the military personnel are certain that their relatives are in the wrong."

Nope wrong here. It is not a soldier's duty to decide right or wrong. It is a soldier's duty to decide lawful or unlawful. As with school integration, many soldiers opposed school integration but carried out their lawful orders. As an officer, I did not always agree with the commands but I did execute them. We cannot have military deciding whether or not every conflict etc is "right or wrong"; "legal or illegal" is the best a soldier gets.

re: John
Point of order, the author of Hamilton's Curse made no mention of "values voters". That was my opining.

Values voters are simple minded. Rather than pay attention to things that really matter, like the national debt, they vote on "abortion" and "gay marriage".

Those people are simple minded. They have no clue that what's really destroying liberty is the national debt and hence never held the Republicans in office from 2000-2006 accountable for their spending habits. Just as long as those Republicans went on talk radio and said the right things about abortion, stem cell research and gay marriage, then why they got re-elected.

Simple minded simpletons.

socialistic trend
The people have assented to the socialistic trend of big government, whether it be the democratic or (neo)republican rule. Perhaps, in the future, sanity and constitutional rule may again prevail.

cutesy names of responders
If you have such strong convictions why hide behind cutesy names.

re: David S.
You know, you bring to mind the eternal question conservative fail to instrospect on.

If liberals are such failures, why are they so successful at squashing conservatives?

Historically if you look at the 20th Century, Democrats ran the show far more than Republicans.

Why have conservatives been so impotent in setting school curriculum? What magic do loser liberals possess that while being losers, they can dominate the media, schools and swat the conservatives away like flies on a cow pie?

Why don't conservatives own the education agenda? The main stream media. Conservatives fail to answer these two questions because they fear the answer.

All Teeth, no Bite
"If liberals are such failures, why are they so successful at squashing conservatives?"

Conservatives continually make the mistake of trying to fight fair.

"Historically if you look at the 20th Century, Democrats ran the show far more than Republicans."

And look where this has us now.

"Why have conservatives been so impotent in setting school curriculum? What magic do loser liberals possess that while being losers, they can dominate the media, schools and swat the conservatives away like flies on a cow pie?"

I could say Talk Radio but you do bring up a good point - Conservatives are unwilling to engage in the immorality of Hollywood to be popular enough to be successful. Working as a Journalist has always been viewed as something people who don't want to work do, so Conservatives go into professions in which they make more money and actually work for a living.

"Why don't conservatives own the education agenda?"

Because thanks to media brainwashing, we have become a nation concerned more with feeling good than learning. Once again, conservatives shy away from teaching in favor of occupations that offer more financial security, making teaching an undesirable choice.

re: Joseph C.
Who's hiding?

The vampire is the literature device for narcissist. A narcissist is someone who metaphorically is staring in the mirror constantly and yet can't see themselves. Why? because to a narcissist imperfections that we all have present a dilemma in the form of a question, how can I have imperfections? They can't believe the imperfections so they can't see their own reflection, yet they always want too?

A vampire/narcissist has no heart and no blood because they are consumed by self-worship. The live by sucking the life and love out of others.

To wit, I just described the modern conservative. Conservatives have become complete narcissists, convinced they are perfection and refusing to see any imperfection.

Thus, George Bush the complete and utter fool, bumpkin and failure as a conservative President cannot be seen truly reflected in the conservative party. Denial of his imperfections are complete. Because, hey, conservatives as narcissists can't see imperfections.

My moniker is a simple statement of the conservative condition today. Rush Limbaugh and his followers are soulless, heartless, loveless narcissists. They are not nice people. In fact, they are not people, but vampires. They are convinced of their perfection even though it doesn't exist. Mocking people, insulting them, and feeling superior defines conservatives today.

Ergo the moniker.






TH's Resident, Paid Liberal Troll Says:
"Nope wrong here. It is not a soldier's duty to decide right or wrong. It is a soldier's duty to decide lawful or unlawful. As with school integration, many soldiers opposed school integration but carried out their lawful orders. As an officer, I did not always agree with the commands but I did execute them. We cannot have military deciding whether or not every conflict etc is "right or wrong"; "legal or illegal" is the best a soldier gets"

My Reply:

If the Federal government is in violation of the US Costitution and it orders the US military to fire on US citizens, than the US Government has issued an "unlawful or illegal" order. The US military realizes this and will for the most part side with US citizens.

This is what we are coming to in our country. The Liberals are pushing this matter to the limit. They want the war, simply because they "WON" the election without a landslide or mandate.

However, several states have already determined that many organizations (like ACORN) that side with the Democrat Party committed voter fraud during the 2008 election. Minnesota is a case in point.





Deornwulf
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 2:50 PM EST
All Teeth, no Bite
"If liberals are such failures, why are they so successful at squashing conservatives?"..."

Read the Unforgiving Minute and come back

Reba
I live in Orange County,and I've been here for many years...I have witnessed the slow slide down the drain.

I am amazed when the Times will come out and actually tell the truth about illegals, most writers at the Times would rather bend over backwards and kiss their own a$$ rather than write the word illegal.Usually they refer to the politically correct, "undocumented."

This state is disfunctional at best, the circus in Sacramento controlled by the liberals, along with every state employee union, and all of the special interest have ruined a once nice place.

Let California be the example of how NOT to run a state.

If only you guys could get an Open Carry firearms law passed.

God bless Texan!

re: Joseph C.
The actual tickle to use the name came when I read an oft repeated notion that "conservatives are for personal accountability." They irony of course you do not have to hold anyone accountable if you can't see the imperfections.

Thus George Bush and Republicans from 2000-2006 were rarely held accountable by their constituents, Harriot Myers and the Dubai purchase of ports being a couple of very minor exceptions.

So we live in a world where liberals don't believe in accountability and conservatives can't enact it because they are complete narcissists and can't admit any mistakes.

I find that irony delicious funny to no end. So I took the moniker.

THE TEST WILL COMMENCE...
...if Obama declares a "national emergency" in 2012 and suspends the presidential election. Hopefully, in two years, Nancy will be forced to give up the gavel and returns to the congressional body. Conservatives will need to have true candidates, not liberals masquerading as republicans, run and win primaries and ultimately the congress elections. The congressional bowl needs to be flushed.

Let's remember the housing cliff was set by liberals mandating banks to not discriminate against people who can't pay for mortgages, and the genuine greed of financial institutions trading in such junk mortgages. Notice I used "liberals" and not party titles.

Gray Ghost
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 2:54 PM EST
TH's Resident, Paid Liberal Troll Says:
"Nope wrong here. It is not a soldier's duty to decide right or wrong. It is a soldier's duty to decide lawful or unlawful. As with school integration, many soldiers opposed school integration but carried out their lawful orders. As an officer, I did not always agree with the commands but I did execute them. We cannot have military deciding whether or not every conflict etc is "right or wrong"; "legal or illegal" is the best a soldier gets"

My Reply:

If the Federal government is in violation of the US Costitution and ..."

The first is a HUGE bit. The Federal Government is ONLY in violation of the Constitution if Congress or the Supreme Court says it is in violation. If that happens then we will have a crisis. Your exact same argument was used during the forced integration of Southern schools.

"This is what we are coming to in our country. The Liberals are pushing this matter to the limit. They want the war, simply because they "WON" the election without a landslide or mandate."

We do not want "war" we are well within the limits of the Constitution. You are just panicked sore losers

"...However, several states have already determined that many organizations (like ACORN) that side with the Democrat Party committed voter fraud during the 2008 election. Minnesota is a case in point. "

whine away

Joseph C.
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 2:39 PM EST
cutesy names of responders
If you have such strong convictions why hide behind cutesy names."

I have been asking that since I came here. I think part fear and a big chunk of they are not who they claim.

re: Joel-De Oppresso Libe
tsk tsk.

Like most posters, I respond to things I find interesting. There is no obligation to read all posts.

What I actually said, if you had read carefully, is that single issue voters believe that those single issues are destroying their liberty when in fact far more sophisticated things like the nation debt are the real culprit.

This simple minded, single issue voters are easily lead around by the nose. Just say the magic words regarding abortion and gay marriage and you can get away with liberty and freedom murder. Republicans have never cut spending. Not Raygun and neither Bush.

There is a humorous story about Tricky Dick. Nixon campaigned on spending cuts, so he set his cabinet to finding some low-hanging fruit easy victories his first year. Their first cut? A Federal Tea Tasting committee. It wasn't a lot of money, a trifle. This committed did nothing but taste imported tea to make a determination as to whether that tea was worth importing. A truly frivilous Federal program.

Nixon tried to cut it. He failed. I guess Raygun heard that story and didn't bother.

ha ha ha!




secession
Virginia tried that in 1861. It didn't work.

OK, Barnabas Collins' Detraction:
You:
"What magic do loser liberals possess that while being losers, they can dominate the media, schools and swat the conservatives away like flies on a cow pie?"

-- It's called lying. And you libbies do it too, which is why lefties and libbies are so perfect together.

You:
"Why don't conservatives own the education agenda?"

-- We do. It's called home schooling. And the libbies love to follow our lead there, though with less success, because libbies generally don't believe in anything passionately enough to make their own home schooling worthwhile.

"The main stream media."

-- Own that? No, not me. You are welcome to that particular cesspool.

"Conservatives fail to answer these two questions because they fear the answer."

-- You've inspired no fear in me yet.



Gray Ghost
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 2:54 PM EST
TH's Resident, Paid Liberal Troll Says: ..."

Not paid at all but if you would like to donate I will gladly accept your credit card numbers LOL

To Th's Resident, Paid Liberal Troll:
I don't whine. But I notice that most Liberals like yourself do. Your comments are famous at TownHall for their constant whining, name calling, and arrogance.


Deornwulf -- All teeth, no bite
My hat is off to you.

Point by point, you have beautifully -- and brilliantly -- rebutted Count Chocula's Distraction.

He won't listen. He's incapable.

But your post was great.

re; David S.
You know calling libertarians liberals isn't going to win you any points with libertarians.

I find if funny that you all denigrated Ron Paul supporters so well they failed to show up in November to vote.

Social conservatives have insulted libertarians this last year in some ways with even uglier vitriol than heaped on liberals.

Well good luck with that. Good luck winning elections effectively haven alienated libertarians so much so they no longer come to this site.

Ron Paul had millions of supporters and had the most successful on-line fund raising campaign of any Republican.

So, go ahead. Cut off your nose to spite your face. Continue to bash libertarians. I actually think that calling libertarians liberals is a step up because in my opinion social conservatives had libertarians even more than they hate liberals.


To Th's Resident, Paid Liberal Troll
This is a serious matter which is being discussed here. Your attempts at frivolity (credit card numbers) are inappropriate.

If this country of ours splits in two or engages in a civil war, most of the fault will be placed at the feet of the Liberals. Your arrogance along with your "WE WON" attitude will cause the split or start the war.

My hands are clean. I have argued for restraint and the "thinking" thru of what most Conservatives (including myself) want to do.

You, on the other hand, have called names and acted like a total jerk. God have mercy on you and your house. If it comes to the worse, I pray that you are spared the pain and suffering that your arrogant attitude is helping to cause.

Gray Ghost
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 3:27 PM EST
To Th's Resident, .... Liberal Troll:
I don't whine. But I notice that most Liberals like yourself do. Your comments are famous at TownHall for their constant whining, name calling, and arrogance."

Sigh, does this mean no donation? LOL

re: Joel-De Oppresso Liber
I think you are confused. Most libertarians are Republicans. William Safire who wrote for the NYT as the resident conservative as libertarian.

So was William F. Buckley Jr., arguably a principle architect of modern conservatism.

Ron Paul ran as a Republican and the libertarians supported him. Again, the majority of libertarians are Republican. And they mostly reside out west in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, etc.

A lot of the rift in the Republican party can be attributed to the Evangelicals basically p**sing all over the libertarians. Buckley, like most conservatives, was against nation building. Bush campaigned saying he was against nation building. So what was Iraq after we overthrew Saddam? Oh that's right, occupation and nation building. When Buckley came out AGAINST the Iraq war conservatives threw Buckley under the bus and quit listening to him.

Thus the modern conservative movement ended in same fashion as it started, with Buckley.

And now who do we have? Rush Limbaugh. Great.

Ron Paul was also against the nation building in Iraq. He got laughed at.

So basically you can't be a libertarian and be a Republican these days.

To Th's Paid, Resident Liberal Troll
In the event of a civil war, I will gladly donate a 7x57mm round right thru your pointy head.

Is that the kind of "frivolity" you are asking for while acting like a jerk?

re: Joel-De Oppresso Liber
You do realize that 40 percent of Republicans support Roe v. Wade.

Are you willing to throw away all those votes because they disagree with you on this one issue?


THANKS DEORNWULF & DEVIL DOG
DEORNWOUF - You made the point to Vampire about Texas's economy before I did. Actually Gov Perry created a surplus for the Texas Treasury. Between May 2007 and May 2008 Texas employed 1/2 of all the new jobs in the USA. Our employment rate is lower than the nation avrage by 2 1/2 pts, our housing market has dropped some, but not like California and Florida, these states' home prices were overflated to begin with. One more point that could have been made to the Vampire is that Texas does not have a state income tax as does California and our sales tax is lower than California. So size and population doesn't matter if you don't balance the budget, which can't be done with too much Liberal spending.

DEVIL DOG - My husband retired from the Navy while he was stationed at San Diego, he liked California and stayed a few years until they started taxing his VA retirement pay. He then moved to Texas. California's loss, my gain.

In the 1990's I regularly went to San Ramon, California on business and would always visit San Francisco when I went out there, but with what I see and hear that is going on there now it sounds like the beautiful city by the bay has gone to the dogs. Too bad.

Your comment about "Undocumented Workers". Mexican Drug Cartels are now called "Undocumented Pharmacists".




Hal
I will agree that legal and illegal are terms the soldiers are allowed to use - legally. But right and wrong also fall into that field. However, even lawful and unlawful are also subject to whomever gives the orders. A fellow Texan refused to serve under a Russian general under UN requirements in Bosnia. It was illegal by our laws to place soldiers under the command of foreign powers but he was still given a dishonorable discharge for refusing.

My vote--
I will vote for Chuck any time he runs. But first I wish that he would run this time for Governor against the two typical politicians we have running in the next election. I like Chuck's stand on legal Americans. Let's have open season on the illegals and their enablers.

Vampire: Ron Paul
As someone from Ron Paul's district (and almost his home town) he is really a libertarian himself. He ran from President at least once (I think twice) as a Libertarian. He has all libertarian beliefs including sealing our borders after calling all troops home, no foreign affairs at all, and legalizing all drugs. However, he is also a breath of needed air in Washington. He does vote against some things most of the conservatives (not Republicans) in this area want but he more frequently votes against what Washington wants, which pleases us. The Republicans dislike him as much as the Democrats do since he will not follow their party line. He is known as "Dr. No" for a good reason - and that is why he gets reelected regardless of who runs against him in either party. But I wouldn't want him as President.

re: Joel-De Oppresso Liber
Ok, I do not belong to the libertarian party nor do I vote libertarian. I consider myself a libertarian in that I support federalism and a federal government with a budget of $3. Like Eisenhower, I believe the military industrial complex has become a solution looking for a problem.

But, with respect to abortion. Let's say for the sake of argument abortion was made illegal in this country. How would that change things?

1.) RU242 would become a drug like cocaine. Completely accessible any time, any where and yet illegal.
2.) You can now buy the same machine off the shelf that doctors use to perform first trimester abortions (over 98 percent) for $400.

There is some wild fantasy that making abortion illegal will eradicate it. Right. In effect, a war on abortion would be declared and it would effectively be the same as the war on drugs. A perpetual, ineffective waste of money.

Abortions are illegal in most countries of the world. If you knew anything about Brazil you'd know that abortions are happening daily like they are hear. We can't prove the abortion rates in Brazil because by their nature they can't be easily counted. But it is so cheap to get one.


It is difficult to know if the abortion rate would drop in this country if it were illegal. It is easy to know it's impact on crime, we just have to look at the drug crimes. They are overflowing the prisons.

Arguably more people use cocaine than need abortions, so the scale would be different.

Libertarians look at these things and argue the government when ineffective is not the right agent. Drugs should be decriminalized and abortion cannot effectively be deterred by the state.




Joel-De
You stated that no President ever had line-item veto. Not true. It was given the Clinton immediately after he became President the first time by a Democrat Congress. However it was NOT given to him to allow him to veto pork. It was given to him - and he used it - to show that the veto power could be misused. He did and Congress took it away again on the argument that all Presidents would misuse it.

It was meant to veto a complete pork item/line. Instead he used it to change things such as deleting a zero off an amount to be approved; deleting NOT from a line to reverse the meaning, etc. I can't give any particular examples because I don't remember any. But it was done strictly for show to try to make it appear to the public that a line item veto arrangement was wrong and should not be done.

re: 45caliber
Ok, howse this. The libertarian party is to the Republican party what the Green party is to the Democratic party.

Most environmentalists are Democrats and not Green. Most libertarians are Republican and not libertarian.

B-Actor on the mountaintop
Well I'm convinced. A B-actor whose claims to fame are karate chops, the Thigh-Master and a severe short-man's complex is advocating the dissolution of the Union. Yes, because after a month in office, the economy wrecked by 30 years of Reaganism hasn't magically been cured. And poor Chuck Norris may have to pay a few extra thousand dollars a year to help pay down the federal debt. But, be assured the B-actor tells us, the government is going to take your Bibles, guns and freedom to spew nonsense. Of course, none of that will happen. And in your sober moments you all know that. Still, the tinfoil-hatted cowards advocate using their "cells" (hmm, what other group uses that term I wonder) and coyly hints at insurrection. There's a word for that I believe. By the way, where was all the outrage when Bush declared he could, at his own whim, do away with the First and Fourth amendments?

Who's calling you a 'liberal'?
"You know calling libertarians liberals isn't going to win you any points with libertarians."

-- No, my name for libertarians is "libbies."

The "liberals" I call simply "lefties."

And I know the difference.

Liberals think they own the money that hard-working and productive citizens earn. This is why liberals are thieves as well as liars.

Libertarians (some, anyway) think that they are entitled to prosperity by birthright -- in humanistic pride and without acknowledging the blessings of the God who is Creator, Provider and Judge.

Perhaps this is why they feel a need to disparage people of Christian faith as "values voters" and "simpletons."

Now, this is the error only of the contemporary "libertarian," because Thomas Jefferson had no problem paying due honor to God.

Anyway, you assume too much with regard to Ron Paul.

I happen to think Paul has many good ideas (I don't agree with all of them), he had every right to be included in the GOP debates (shame on the GOP on that score), he could have elevated the level of presidential debate had he been allowed to, he knows how to honor the Constitution, and he would have been an infinitely better president than either Obama or McCain.

Who's calling you a 'liberal'?
"You know calling libertarians liberals isn't going to win you any points with libertarians."

-- No, my name for libertarians is "libbies."

The "liberals" I call simply "lefties."

And I know the difference.

Liberals think they own the money that hard-working and productive citizens earn. This is why liberals are thieves as well as liars.

Libertarians (some, anyway) think that they are entitled to prosperity by birthright -- in humanistic pride and without acknowledging the blessings of the God who is Creator, Provider and Judge.

Perhaps this is why they feel a need to disparage people of Christian faith as "values voters" and "simpletons."

Now, this is the error only of the contemporary "libertarian," because Thomas Jefferson had no problem paying due honor to God.

Anyway, you assume too much with regard to Ron Paul.

I happen to think Paul has many good ideas (I don't agree with all of them), he had every right to be included in the GOP debates (shame on the GOP on that score), he could have elevated the level of presidential debate had he been allowed to, he knows how to honor the Constitution, and he would have been an infinitely better president than either Obama or McCain.

Mike
Go back to your room, lock the door, and play on your Playstation. The adults are talking and don't need comments from the peanut gallery.

re: Mike
And you nary heard a peep out of conservatives when Bush had the national guard take guns away from the citizens of New Orleans after Katrina. They did a house-by-house sweep and removed all weapons. But he's a conservative so we can't say anything! Wooo hooo! When Obama goes to try that, well, all h*ll will break loose.

Yet, oh, when Brenner dissolved the Iraqi Army, why he let them take their military issued weapons home with them. Just brilliant. They got to keep their guns.

At least Roosevelt was smart enough when rebuilding Japan to have their weapons dumped into the Sea of Japan.


Gray Ghost
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 3:36 PM EST

To Th's Resident,... Liberal Troll
This is a serious matter which is being discussed here. Your attempts at frivolity (credit card numbers) are inappropriate..."

Oh you are so wrong. If traitors seriously gather I will laugh at them. It is really funny when just a wee bit ago they were claiming to be super patriots.

"...If this country of ours splits in two or engages in a civil war, most of the fault will be placed at the feet of the Liberals. Your arrogance along with your "WE WON" attitude will cause the split or start the war..."

Oh no Your decision to take up arms rather than abide by the Constitution would be the cause - the action choice is yours

"...My hands are clean. I have argued for restraint and the "thinking" thru of what most Conservatives (including myself) want to do..."

You did and I explained that your course of action was totally unacceptable

"...You, on the other hand, have called names and acted like a total jerk. God have mercy on you and your house. If it comes to the worse, I pray that you are spared the pain and suffering that your arrogant attitude is helping to cause."

LMAO sorry you pompous twit. Too many real men and women have spilled too much real blood and suffered too much real pain to allow you for one minute to take yourself seriously.

As Texas goes....
Kick butt, Chuck!

David S.
I don't know of Ron Paul would have made a better President that Obama or McCain - but he couldn't have made a worse one.

As a Congressman he tends to call down any pork and stupid ideas of the Democrats and the Republicans. He doesn't get many bills passed, particularly pork because he either doesn't think they are necessary or because he won't work with the rest. He does seem to get the things we really need here done, though, such as keeping the local river mouth open so it doesn't flood as badly. We don't care about any pork projects (unneeded stuff such as paying to research rice) here in his district so he makes an excellent Congressman. Some of his ideas are good but some are bad for President, though.

Gray Ghost
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 3:51 PM EST
To Th's Paid, Resident Liberal Troll
In the event of a civil war, I will gladly donate a 7x57mm round right thru your pointy head.

Is that the kind of "frivolity" you are asking for while acting like a jerk?"

better than you have tried but who knows you might get lucky

To Th's Resident, Paid Liberal Jerk
"LMAO sorry you pompous twit. Too many real men and women have spilled too much real blood and suffered too much real pain to allow you for one minute to take yourself seriously."

I am found to be wrong in my thinking Doofus. I will not "donate" a 7X57mm round thru your pointy head in the event of a civil war. After I "sell" you the round, I will go thru your pockets and take $.50 from you.

Do you like frivolity Doofus? Is what I just said frivolous enough for you?

Yes, too many real men and women have spilled too much real blood and suffered too much real pain to allow you to act like an arrogant jerk and take yourself seriously. You are the pompous twit, not I.

45caliber
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 3:57 PM EST
Hal
I will agree that legal and illegal are terms the soldiers are allowed to use - legally. But right and wrong also fall into that field. However, even lawful and unlawful are also subject to whomever gives the orders. A fellow Texan refused to serve under a Russian general under UN requirements in Bosnia. It was illegal by our laws to place soldiers under the command of foreign powers but he was still given a dishonorable discharge for refusing."

He should have been. I have served under foreign officers with no complaint. We simply cannot allow the military to make these kinds of decisions. Remember many free societies fall to their own military. Want to know what it is about? I am serious read The Unforgiving Minute. It is an excellent true story of a soldier and gives you a lot of insight into the thinking. It is not a political book but it is a good book

re: Joel
"
If the doctor that performs the "proceedure", the nurse that assists, the woman on the table, the boyfriend that drove her there and paid for it, and everyone else associated with the murder was executed, then it would stop."

Right. Technology has passed you buy. A doctor is no longer needed. In effect abortion would become a drug problem because RU242 would be imported like any other illegal drug.

The $400 machine comes with instructions, you don't need to be a doctor.

1.) Abortions could be easily had by going to Canada or Mexico. Unless you are requiring a pregnancy test for every woman of age flying, that will happen. Heck, those in New York, Houston, San Diego and LA can just drive.

2.) Doctors won't need to provide. Abortions can be self induced with RU242. Anyone can by the $400 "coat hanger" and provide one.

3.) Prior to Roe v. Wade, very few doctors were prosecuted and very few women. Prosecutors had a hard time getting a jury to convict. How'se this. Abortion was not classified or tried as murder by any state prior to Roe. . It wasn't even a felony in many states. Police were reluctant to pursue the cases because they were perceived by law enforcement as victimless crimes. Women who have abortions are not a threat to society.

Do yourself a favor. Look up the prosecution statistics before Roe. Non-existent. Look up the laws that are on the books if Roe. is overturned. Abortion is not classified as murder.

I applaud your convictions but think you are completely naive with respect to the reality of the situation.


Well, I defer to you, 45caliber …
… given that you obviously know a lot more about Ron Paul than I do.

I do think that he has the right ideas about many things. And I also appreciate his respect for the U.S. Constitution -- something that many politicians, Democrat and Republican, seem to care little about.

I wish the GOP lawmakers had the guts of a Ron Paul, because they are the only ones in a position to oppose the Democrat destruction of America, and they refuse to do so. And goodness knows, I am tired of the perennial pork and the professional theft of these worthless D.C. slime bags.

Anyway, thanks for educating me.

re: Joel
It was the National Guard.

You lied! Two can play that game.

Joel-De Oppresso Liber
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 4:45 PM EST
Hal
I believe that you have served under foreign officers without complaint. Probably asked for more and harder "assignments", too. Just because you are a treasonous, oath breaking, disgrace to the uniform does not mean that the rest of us are."

LMAO now that was helpful how?

45caliber
No, this is not grown up talk. It's the ravings of the paranoid and delusional. You sound like a bunch of kids playing cowboys and indians, not adults debating serious political differences. But, as the saying goes, there's no arguing with crazy.

Joel-De Opresso Liber wrote:
"If you murder, you have forfeited your life. No exceptions."

-- No argument here.

vampire...
Libertarians don't use the pragmatism of whether government can enforce a rule to decide it is appropriate or not. Vices and self-inflicted results of behavior like drug abuse are the reason libertarians tend to support decriminalization or legalization of drugs. But libertarians are generally just as adamant that the prostitute or drug abuser must take responsibility for themselves and any harm they cause to others. This is where practicality comes in. If we hold drunk drivers accountable for accidents and the death, injury, and property damage that results, then let people drink as they please. Make driving legally contingent on having sufficient insurance or means to clean up the mess and let insurance companies decide if they will insure drunks and at what rates. Allow companies to screen employees or prospective employees at any time for any reason and hold those companies accountable for the actions of their employees while they are on the job. It sounds like a lot of BS, but when the stakes are high enough, people will comply voluntarily.

The issue with abortion is one of definition. Libertarians are not in favor of murder. One of the things libertarians expect from government, is the apprehension, prosecution, and punishment of murderers. However, the debate still ragfes as to wheter an embryo or a fetus is a person and deserves the same protection as those of us who are born. The opinion is mixed among both libertarians and the general population. But for libertarians who consider fetuses to be people, the government should protect them as all of us from violence and assault. That is the difference between abortion and other "victimless" vices.

Sign me up Chuck!
If I hear the slightest whisper of it, I'm there! I have had enough of this bulls@#t!

Hal beams in from DS9
Doc: Then you're a fool and a totalitarian. The first we all knew, the second is only now coming to life."

"LOL Look cut and run all you want but the country stays. I hope that you never claimed to be a patriot? ahhh but of course you did? LOL"

OK, not that I expected there to be, but your reply had no logical connection to what I said. Did you translate that from Tribble, or Ewok?

"...Make all the fun you want of my military service. It again proves that conservatives despise both veterans and the military."

Au contraire (a little Euro-lingo for the socialists, there). I admire both veterans and the military. Since neither category includes YOU, OTOH..."

"LMAO but you see both actually do I am a retired Air Force officer to this very day and I am a military veteran. Those are both facts. Saying oh no does not make it otherwise"

As I said, I simply don't believe you. Nothing you've posted gives the slightest reason TO believe you. I'm sure some of your comrades at the Space Rangers will translate that for you.

Some historical perspective
" Any people, anywhere,being inclined and having the power ,have the right to shake off the existing government and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable-a most sacred right-a right,which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government,may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can may revolutionize,and make their own such portion of their territory as they inhabit"

Sounds a lot like Mr. Norris. These words were spoken in a speech to Congress January 12,1847 on the subject of Texas and her secession from Mexico.

The same speaker sang a different tune in 1861 when South Carolina asserted this same right. As we all know 12 other states followed South Carolina out of the Union with disastrous results. The Second American Revolution ended in failure with the conquered states devastated and 600,000 American casualties.

Oh yes, the speaker was Abraham Lincoln.

Just something to think about.

Will not be a Civil War
If Texas were to try and leave the union there would be no civil war. The liberals would not fight they would let her go. While he compares himself to Lincoln our current President is not fit to tie Lincoln's shoes and would not be able to convince enough people to make the sacrafice nessacary to carry the war to it completion. Besides I doubt that if it came down to a new war of secession that Texas would go alone. I am pretty sure the old Confederacy minus a few or plus a few new states would be happy to do so. Just don't count on the senators or congressmen to go with them as they did in the last one.

This is all about Chuck
,who so far doesn't remind me of Ronald Reagan or Charlton Heston. First he supports Huckabee who took out Romney to get McCain nominated. Then he makes a lot of noise in the interest of selling his book. It seems to me that he's now making more noise that may lead to him running for public office. To the citizens of Texas, I would advise caution if he does decide to run for something. I'm not saying he's another Arnold Schwartzenegger but I wouldn't be too impressed yet.

As Kinky Friedman's slogan
when he ran for governor of Texas...how hard can it (the job) be?

Joel
YOu would not be able to do that. To many people are used to a handout. To many people don't even know what the Constitution says. Let those who want to continue on the current track stay and those in the the states who wish to leave allow those who want to stay to migrate to the states that do not want to leave. Otherwise we risk the same problems in the newly seceded states. I would love to do some of what you say but I do not think it would be possible. Country is just as divided now as during the civil war. Unfortunatly it is not as sectional. Most of California is Red state country but the bay and LA are not. The sad thing is that we are even talking about this. The last time this happened it started out like this small and it grew over time I hope it does not occur I hope somthing can save our union but I just do not see it.

45caliber - Line Item Veto
Your ignorance on the line item veto is astounding. Clinton was granted the line item veto by the Line Item Veto Act of 1996. Again, the year was 1996. Two years *after* the Republican Revolution of 1994 placed both houses of congress in Republican hands. The Act was not revoked by Congress because of misuse, rather it was nullified by the Supreme Court as being unconstitutional.

Seriously, do at least modicum of fact checking before posting this crap.

We're with you Chuck
I believe that history proves South Carolina will be more than willing to take the lead.

Joel - De Oppresso Liber
In your discussion on traveling abroad for an abortion you wrote:

"In regards to international travel, I have posted on this thread and others that one of the highest priorities this nation has is to seal tight all ports and borders."

Are you proposing restricting the travel abroad by US citizens? Wouldn't that make us, oh, let's say North Korea?

Robert - Kinky Freidman
The Governor does occasionally throw the first pitch at ball games. Other than that...

Dear Chuck
Speaking as a Texan, I'll support your candidacy! Your quote from Sam Houston will, I hope, not only be an inspiration to other Texans (including young ones who have been educationally deprived of their heritage) but to our sister states who share our values. Texas must lead the way!

If it comes down to a case of slavish submittal to illegal federal authority or, instead, the establishment of a new Union that respects the Constitution to replace the corrupted present establishment, then reason and morality dictates that we pursue the latter course. It may already be a case of either/or. Samuel Adams, Patrick Henry and Sam Houston would have known what to do. They did!

Perhaps it's time to set the foundations of a New Grand Republic in that "other" Washington- that humble village on the River Brazos- which far better reflects the values of the man for which it was named than the one on the Potomac swamplands.

Joel - D. O. L.
Wasn't trying to entrap you at all, just trying for a clarification. I took pains to make sure the quote was contextual as you made the statement in direct answer to the question about traveling overseas for abortion. My impression was you believed sealing the borders would circumvent that.

Vampire's Reflection is a perfect
name from someone from California..because Those Californian are sucking the life blood out of the USA..All of us Fiscal States that are productive are wasting our Tax money bailing their liberal incompetent lazy butts out!They whine about how expensive and over taxes they are yet they kept electing people like Nancy Pelosi type tax and spend liberals to Congress and their state elections.They are the pimple on the rear end of America and should be excised!I lived in California till they screwed over the Oil Industry and we got transferred back to our beloved home of Texas.They RUN off more business than any place on earth!Those so-called elitist think they are better than the rest of America

Joel - D.O.L.

Here is your entire comment from reply #178


"Threat to Society
I am not naive, nor am I uneducated. I know what the laws were, and how they were prosecuted prior to Roe vs. Wade. That is my point exactly. The issue was not taken seriously enough. I know what the past was, I am stating what should be, not what was.

As for the machine and the pill, if you line up the persons working for the companies that produce those items, and shoot them all, that problem is solved as well. They are all accessories to murder as well, after all.

In regards to international travel, I have posted on this thread and others that one of the highest priorities this nation has is to seal tight all ports and borders.

Hangers: Well, then the woman in question just assualted herself in her desire to murder her unborn child. She will be likely to suffer from infections and infertility, so there is some measure of justice there.

I know that it would be impossible to prevent all abortions. We are not able to prevent all murders of those who have been born. That does not mean that we do not try, or should not try. It does mean that we try to exercise justice. If you murder, you have forfeited your life. No exceptions."

As you can see the entire thing details your proposals for eliminating abortions, one of which appears to be sealing the borders.

Joel - D.O.L.
Fair enough. Have a good evening.

Joel-De Oppresso Liber
I don't know how else to say it, but: You are a fool. You are a fool of the highest order. You've read a bit of Ayn Rand, and so you call yourself a "producer." I highly doubt it. No, rather, you are like many here. You are a fearful follower. Glenn Beck does his little ridiculous end-times segments, and you believe them like they are gospel. Beck, Limbaugh, Dr. Wiener, et al are making millions off of your ignorance. You're scared of the financial meltdown caused by deregulation of the markets (I know, I know, you'll figure a rationalization to blame the Democratic Party or others who disagree with your narrow world view); you're scared of the fact that the president doesn't look like you; you're scared of the fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans have rejected your world view. You call yourself a "child of God," yet you secretly pray for national disaster. You call yourself an American, yet you hate Americans. In the end, I have to say that I feel sorry for you.

Joel-De Oppresso Liber
Nice cop out. Since you're calling for the overthrow of the American government, I figured you'd have more to offer. But, of course, you do not. All bluster and fear. What a shock.

Doc Liberty
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 6:08 PM EST
Hal beams in from DS9
...as I said, I simply don't believe you. Nothing you've posted gives the slightest reason TO believe you. I'm sure some of your comrades at the Space Rangers will translate that for you."

I am certain that you don't believe that the earth is round either but guess what? It is none the less LOL

Joel-De Oppresso Liber
"Date: Mar 10, 2009 - 9:38 PM EST
Mike and Mark
Mike: I don't respond to personal attacks. ..."

Good little troll - well done. LOL

Joel-De Oppresso Liber
Again. Nothing to offer.

What a Hoot
Gee, I can't wait for all these conservatives to move to Texas. NOT!

Nice to see though that they lose one little election, and rather than hang tough and try to take back their country they want to turn tail and run. And they say liberals are traitors.

re: Joel
Same day you should develop a sense of irony.

So, anyone who commits murdered should be killed, no exceptions, eh? Discounting the fact that most murders are convicted on circumstantial evidence, let us run with that.

You do know that you are sponsoring eugenics right?

Which is ironic because that's exactly what you zealous types accuse the founder of Planned Parenthood of, proxy eugenics of black people.

When you look at the murder statistics, most murders in this country are committed by young black men. So when you say "kill them for murder" you are in effect saying kill black men.

Ok, the eugenics is not quite as effective as abortion, some young black men will have kids before they get killed for murder, but killing murderers does weed them out of the population.

Then of course there is the fact that the person most likely to be murdered by a young black man is another young black man, who is most likely a very bad person himself. Which is why law enforcement isn't all that motivated to investigate murder. I'm sure since you are so up on current events you know that 9/10 murders go unsolved.

So you are screwed if you are black. The abortionists are out to get you, the blacks are out to get themselves and you want them dead for committing murder.

All of which is just rife with irony that is completely lost on you.

This is why I don't do these much any
more. Everybody gets way off subject and sinks to calling each other names. The libs get their jollies jumping in and calling the conservatives anything but human, and the conservatives take the bait every time. This article is the first one actually talking about the secession and the break up of the Union! I've heard it grumbled about before, but never seriously considered before this. This is scary stuff gang! Texas would be the one with enough natural resources to be able to pull it off. The others, not so sure. It's not a "you lost, we won" thing. It's not Obama and his, in my opinion, communist movement. It's the steady deterioration of our Constitution since the civil war! Obama has just accelerated it. Our government has been trampling the Constitution for sometime and no one has much done anything about it. Now, they are stealing the last few rights that people have always considered sacred, they are getting mad. Secession and disolution may be the last resort to fixing the problem. Start over. "They" are not your friends. Republican or Democrat or whatever you want to call them. When they get to Washington, it always turns out the same. They start to "see" what good the government can do for you, then they "see" what good the government can do for them. It's the most corruptive and addictive thing I've ever seen. Social Security and income taxes are illegal! Find me one person within the D.C. boundaries who would agree with that, find one that would be willing to act upon it. It just so happens that I will have a job waiting for me in Texas by the end of the year. I'll be in place, ready to fight if I have to, but I won't be looking forward to it at all. This subject needs to be discussed seriously by all parties before it leads to bloodshed. Quit dinkin around and calling each other names and talking about stupid off subject topics. Thank you! I doubt I'll stick around to hear any replies.

Dont Tease Us Mr Norris...
Imagine starting over and building a new America actually modeled after the constituion........

Hey Chuck!
Hey Chuck! Have you figured out the Huckster for who he is rather than what he says he is??

If you do, you just might be ready to take on a governorship...If you haven't, you're not.

Mike 'The Huckster' Huckabee
http://mikeyhuckabee.blogspot.com/

texas independence
I read through about a hundred comments, several mentioning the fact that Texas only became a state in the Union for protection from Mexico. While that may be a prevalent thought in todays textbooks, the truth is the settlers that wanted independence were American and wanted to be Americans, I dont believe it was ever thier plans to create an independent nation. that was just a necessary step because America was not going directly support the secession from Mexico.
I am conservative, I am a soldier, I can forsee a time that I might need to choose my loyalties between political factions, but I do not think that time is anywhere near at hand. I am with the other commentator that stated there are plenty of political positions from which people like Mr. Norris can advance our agenda. GOD BLESS AMERICA

freedom
I'm ready for a fight. I am completely ready. We have more reson to fight today than our Founding Fathers had. Our constitution is changed by judicial fiat. Our President won't even prove he is eligible, and shows his contempt for the Constitution. The 2nd amendment is practically gone, along with the first and 4th,5th, and 10th.

Barney Frank Carter from MASS
You best keep your liberal left wing butt in Mass with Barney Frank, Kerry and Kennedy. Come to Texas and spout your trash and Barney won't have much left to play with. You are a blooming idiot!

wow
Such a group of patriots. Guys so manly they have nicknames like guns and call for the violent dissolution of the union. All because some lousy actor and radio talk show hosts with repressed, um, issues have scared the skirts off of you. You are cowards and not worthy of this country.

GO CHUCK We are with you.....
We are ready. Been thinking about moving to Texas for awhile now for warmer weather. This makes it perfect. When I think of our beautiful, wonderful, United States of America now coming under Communist - masquerading as Socialist government I feel absolutely physically ill. I remember the 70's and the fear of the commies taking over the world....and taking away our freedom. Now they really are.

VOTE 4 CHUCK NORRIS
Chuck, if you run I'll move to Texas so I can vote for you! You'll be a runaway winner since you're an American icon already.

CHUCK NORRIS IS AN ICON
Say what you want about the man, he would never take a bribe, never do anything dishonest or underhanded. He would be totally trustworthy and work extremely hard trying to get this country back from being derailed. He'd study hard at night, not party. He'd motivate us all and give us hope and inspiration. How do I know this? He's been around for a long time, and he's earned the label of American Icon.

karen
I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

Joe
So how will they implement such a program???

not the only state.
Chuck,
I once joked that if a state threatened to secede..what would Washington do? Well, it's no longer a joke. If the Federal Gov't won't defend Texas against Mexican drug cartels, Texas will have to defend itself.
I have family in Texas..and I know they'd vote for you. I'll vote for integrity and values over political arroagance and corruption any day.

D.C. STATE STATUS?
They're talking about giving D.C. state status, so they can add 2 more Dems to the Senate. So maybe they won't notice if Texas goes back to being a Republic. Call it a trade-off. I'll take Texas over D.C. any day of the week. Texas is beautiful with wide open spaces and 3 distinct geographical areas...(or more.) D.C. is a traffic snarled,crowded mess.

Texas Shouldn't secede from U.S.
If it does, 150 million U.S. citizens will try to move there, and it will be too crowded.

Tom
Indiana

Non-Texas Born
This goes for every single poster on this forum as well as Chuck Norris. While you all may be nice and partiotic people, Texas won't have you. The requirements for citizenship will be strict.
1. YOU have to be born in Texas. Chuck Norris was born in Oklahoma, and the rest of you that want to move here from other states, oops, sorry you can't.

2. If the President of Texas allows foreigners to establish residence, there will be strict guidelines and tracking of your whereabouts at all times.

Thank you,
Bluebonnet
Republic of Texas


Where Do I Sign Up?
I'm not from Texas either, but neither were Jim Bowie & David Crockett...

I would like to join the Texas Security & Resistance Force, can someone please tell me where to sign up?

It is my hope to be able to actively fight in behalf of a break-away Nation, whose core values are comprised essentially of personal Honor, strong individual work ethic, and taxation WITH SOUND REPRESENTATION...

-Machine

Get Chuck Norris out of Texas
Chuckie must have been knocked around a lot more than he realized. If he wants to be president, he needs to go somewhere where he is wanted. His mouth is like a retarded toilet.

This may be our only option!
Mr. Norris, I have researched and agree this may be the only option for true Americans to remain Free Americans. We have paid for our soldiers to go to alot of places and fight and die in the name of freedom and now it seems our true fight is here at home in the USA! The government corruption and over-taxation of all of us needs to be put into check. We are already in danger of losing the 2nd admendment which is just one of the moves they are making to protect themselves from ticked off Americans. I wish everyone would read the 2nd admendment and it's reason for being our right to bear arms. I and my family will support our rights as Americans and if need be will also move back to Texas where I spent 16 years living and working. God knows you still have more work and money down there then there is up here in NY State. All we seem to have is a Govenor who is over taxing and excuse the pun, to blind to see how bad he is making it. His true handi-cap is not his blindness, it is his lack of common sense just like the rest of our polititions lately. I and many others will fight to keep our rights and our guns.

Chuck Norris for Texas President?
Cool!

What a crock
of course they want to make DC a republic or whatever so they can get more Dems in the senate. now if it were the Republicans the dems would be out in the streets yelling un