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Tuesday, February 24, 2009
Chuck Norris :: Townhall.com Columnist
An 87-Year-Old's Economic Survival Guide
by Chuck Norris
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An old Spanish proverb says, "An ounce of mother is worth a pound of clergy." I believe that value holds, in or out of a recession. And seeing as my 87-year-old mother lived through the Great Depression, I think her value (and that of those like her) will increase through these tough economic times because her insider wisdom can help us all.

Mother was about 10 years old when her eight-member family endured the thick of those recessive days in rural Wilson, Okla., which only has a population of 1,600 today. The recurring droughts across the heartland during that period dried up the job market, making it worse in the Midwest than it even was in the rest of the country. Over the years, my grandpa worked multiple jobs, from the oil fields to the cotton fields, and he was even a night watchman. The family members did what they could to contribute, but most of them were simply too young to play a major part.

In 1933, when President Franklin Roosevelt took office, his administration, through the Works Project Administration, brought about the employment of millions in civil construction projects, from bridges to dams to airports to roads. My grandfather traveled about 90 miles for a day's work to help build the Lake Murray dam. But with a far smaller ratio of jobs to potential laborers, if Grandpa worked five days a month (at $1.80 a day), it was a good month.

Like most families, my mother's family didn't have running water or electricity. And Granny did her best to keep the outhouse clean, with Grandpa helping by regularly depositing lye to control the odors. (You can imagine how the hot, humid Oklahoma summers turned that outside commode into one smelly closet-sized sauna.) A "scavenger wagon" came by once a week and cleaned out the hole, which had a small chairlike contraption over it with the center punched out. (They once had a two-seater in there, which allowed for two people to enjoy each other's company and conversation. Mom told me that she always felt a little upper-class when she sat with someone else!) By the way, and I'm not trying to be crude, toilet tissue wasn't around, so they used pages from Montgomery Ward catalogs (and you wondered why the catalogs were so thick). No joke -- they preferred the non-glossy pages. I'll let you figure out why.

Got the picture? With that in mind, I turn to a recent conversation I had with my mother. I asked her, "How would you encourage the average American to weather the economic storms of today?"

Here's her advice, in her words:

--"Get back to the basics. Simplify your life. Live within your means. People have got to be willing to downsize and be OK with it. We must quit borrowing and cut spending. Be grateful for what you have, especially your health and loved ones. Be content with what you have, and remember the stuff will never make you happy. Never. Back then, we didn't have one-hundredth of what people do today, and yet we seemed happier than most today, even during the Great Depression.

--"Be humble and willing to work. Back then, any work was good work. We picked cotton, picked up cans, scrap metal, whatever it took to get by. Where's that work ethic today? If someone's not being paid $10 an hour today, they're whining and unwilling to work, even if they don't have a job. The message from yesteryear is don't be too proud to do whatever it takes to meet the financial needs of your family.

--"Be rich in love. We didn't have much. In fact, we had nothing at all, compared to people today, but we had each other. We were poor, but rich in love. We've lost the value of family and friends today, and we've got to gain it back if we're ever to get back on track. If we lose all our stuff and still have one another and our health, what have we really lost?

--"Be a part of a community. Today people are much more alone, much more isolated. We used to be close with our neighbors. If one person had a bigger or better garden or orchard, they shared the vegetables and fruits with others in need. Society has shifted from caring for one another to being dependent upon government aid and welfare. That is why so many today trust in government to deliver them. They've forgotten an America that used to rally around one another in smaller clusters, called neighborhoods and communities. We must rekindle those local communal fires and relearn the power of that age-old commandment, 'Love thy neighbor.'

--"Help someone else. We never quit helping others back then. Today too many people are consumed with their own problems and only helping themselves. 'What's in it for me?' is the question most are asking. But back then, it was, 'What can I do to help my neighbor, too?' I love Rick Warren's book 'The Purpose Driven Life,' and especially his thought, 'We were created for community, designed to be a blessing to others.' Most of all, helping others gets our minds off of our problems and puts things into better perspective.

--"Lean upon God for help and strength. We didn't just have each other to lean on, but we had God, too. We all attended church and belonged to a faith community. Church was the hub of society, the community core and rallying point. Today people turn to government the way we used to turn to churches. It's been that way ever since Herbert Hoover's alleged promise of a 'chicken in every pot' and President Roosevelt's New Deal. Too many have abandoned faith and community. We trust in money more than God. And maybe that's a reason why we're in this economic pickle."

Now that's conventional wisdom that should be shouted and posted in every corridor of government, every community across America, and every blog on the Internet.

Call me overly pragmatic, but I think a little practical wisdom and encouragement is what we all need about now. Mom always was good for that. She still is.

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good post mr norris
It's the health part that worries me, not for me, but for others who are sick all the time. I know some people who don't want their illnesses on a national data base. And many of them do not want universal healthcare. Too much government interference.

Great article and I've heard the same
from my parents for years (though Dad died years ago). Not living by these simple maxims helped get us in this mess, no doubt.

Watch out, Chuck! After this one they'll be gunning for you.

Chuck, A Wonderful List
to which I would add -- your grandmother was too modest to say it -- sacrifice for your children and grandchildren.

Even though they had very little as this touching article illustrates they still sacrificed so their children would have a better life.

How selfish are we to try to avoid a little pain at the expense of our children, grandchildren, and now great grandchildren? THIS IS WRONG; IT IS IMMORAL.

If you read this please send my regards to your grandmother, who is obviously a wonderful person.

Mrs. Norris
You are truly an amazing woman! My mother had similar views, and didn't mind telling us...often!
My father died when I was seven and mother died when I was twenty-six, but they left their children prepared for the obstacles and wise enough to avoid them. Oh, I would also like to mention that I'm an orphan and available for adoption...
Thank you for making my day brighter and more hopeful! And, thank you for the memories!
Have you thought of running for President?

EXTRA Norris materials at WND
Interesting to note the extra materials in the exclusive version of NOrris' column at World Net Daily...

"Like in the 1930s, many today are counting on government to be the savior, but thus far all that's resulting from bailouts is a ballooning repayment schedule – just like back then. Fox News recently highlighted that the total federal outlays in 1929 were $3.1 billion (less than 3 percent of GDP). By 1940, they tripled to $9.5 billion (10 percent of GDP). Worse still, the total federal debt mushroomed fom $17 billion in 1929 (16 percent of GDP) to $43 billion in 1940 (44 percent of GDP). And yet, unemployment remained at 15 percent.

"While many politicians avoid the schooling from that historical 1929 market crash and subsequent total economic collapse, we don't have to turn a deaf ear from the wisdom of those who have survived it. Sure, President Franklin Roosevelt posited the New Deal, but it would have been no big deal if there weren't people like my mother and her family who walked through and endured the fiscal valleys of despair back then. I believe their experience and insight can truly help us weather our economic storms today, especially if times get even leaner."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId= 89678

Awesome!! Lots more like this in
Chuck's New York Times best seller, "Black Belt Patriotism" Free chapter at http://www.ChuckNorrisNewBook.com

Check out dozens of 5-star ratings at Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Black-Belt-Patriotism-Reawaken-Ameri ca/dp/1596985585

Chuck Norris Chaplain?
Didn't know his chaplain led crusade to restore Laus Deo ("Praise be to God") display at Washington Monument. See Fox News clip and Chuck's chaplain's story at http://www.nationaltreasures.org/CR_MonOmi.html

Wisdom...
This mother has "wisdom", which seems to be a trait that is quickly becoming a "lost art". She is leaving a valuable legacy for her family.
I enjoyed this article and everything in it is true and relavent in her description of today's society of "I want it and I want it NOW, so give it to me" citizens.

Terrific article
because of gov't vote buying schemes paid for with our money, this nation has turned into a bunch of lazy slugs who will sell their own country down the tubes for an extra 13 bucks a week stolen from a fellow citizen.

I welcomed a new great grandson into my family last month, thanks to the commie in chief, this little guy now owes about 10 grand to the gov't, God knows what that will be by the time he has to go to work to support himself and however many born that day who will never contribute a dime.

While his parents work, his father is a Marine, the parents of his contemporaries will lay back and relax waiting for yet another perk from the "one".

We have to get back to basics as Chuck says and we better do it now, while we are still able...vote all these dem commie clowns OUT and especially Bozo, the biggest clown in town.

Chuck Norris common sence vs. education
Another Oklahoma boy, Will Rogers said, "Most people are educated beyond their intelligence." As the years since the 1920'2 have come and gone it seems that most people have been taught to rely on education instead of common sence. The ideal would be to have both but many times that doesn't seem to be the case. Thanks Mr. Norris for reminding us that simple is still better in the long run.

Wonderful Mom and memories
Chuck you are blessed to have such a super Mom.

A sentence leaped out at me, and scared me. It was "Today people turn to government the way we used to turn to churches."

We, as a nation, have forsaken God and turned to man.

May God have mercy on us, but we surely do not deserve it.

AHHHH...Wisdom!
Wisdom seems to be becoming a "lost art" in today's society. So simple, yet so profound and "so yesterday" according to the younger generation (as a general rule, that is..there are a few exceptions). Tthis is another reminder to me to talk to my Dad and aunts regularly. I must glean out as much wisdom as I can from them, as Chuck has done with his Mom....

oops..
sorry for the repeat. I am just getting started here.

Freedom, Real Imagination and Greatness
No wonder I have always been drawn to your performances. You are real, Chuck Norris, and now we know why. Everyone hates to hear the stories about the good old days, but I still have vivid memories of walking nearly five miles to school with my brothers. We ran through fields, walked atop fence posts and had the world as an umbrella for our adventures as we made our way to the one room school house with a pot belly stove, and an outhouse with a half moon crescent window.

I cannot imagine how youngsters develop imagination and absolute life skills with out experiencing even a measure of that kind of freedom. When we slept out under the stars, we knew they were the same stars that shown on the other side of the earth. The awe of those moments brought us as close to all mankind and to our Maker. God Bless you Chuck Norris. Keeping fighting against the ugly veil of socialism that is choking our Nation.

Someone needs to explain to
several generations in this country not just what the depression was actually like but the standard of living most Americans had even as little as 50 years ago.

My father who is a baby boomer grew up in a house where they all bathed in a tub in the kitchen they filled with water. No fancy bathrooms. They also ate possumm etc.

Retiring at 55 or even 65 is a modern luxury -- people used to work until they died and if they became infirm they were taken in by family. Most of the world still does not retire.

Living in your own home is a modern luxury families used to live many generations in one household.

Going out to eat either happened not at all or was a rare thing for most families.

5$ coffee -- lol.

My point being is that Americans seem to think they are all entitled to a standard of living that is fairly new here and unheard of in most of the world. As a result the whine about their home equity instead of being glad they have a roof over their heads. They consider it a major depravation to give up starbucks, etc.

I've honestly been shocked by how spoiled and weak we've all gotten.

Chuck is the man
When he does push ups he pushes the earth away from him!

Do Without,
Its time for people to re-learn something I learned from my parents in a financially-challenged childhood.

If you can't afford something, do without it.

A few months ago we had a choice to make -- satellite TV or internet. We need the internet for the business so good-bye Discovery Channel, football games and Nascar races.

Each person in the family has enough clothing for 10 days. They get new ones when its outgrown or worn out and I make a portion of that rather than buy them.

I feed a family of 6 on about $700/month by cooking from scratch and doing without a lot of stuff we'd like to have. Its challenging to keep a steady diet of pork butt and chicken leg quarters interesting, but that's what we can afford so that's what we buy.

I'm trying to find a "Mom job" I can do to help ease things until the business picks back up. I'm searching thrift stores for job interview clothes because I don't have any of what I didn't need.

The 17yo, about to graduate, will also be getting a job. He already knows that he will be responsible for paying his own college and for buying his own means of transportation.

We sit on second-hand furniture. We sleep under the same, faded, out-of-style sheets we've had for years. There aren't any holes so they don't need replacing. The younger kids wear hand-me-down clothes and play with hand-me-down toys.

We get the most mileage out of the one luxury in the house, our computers, by building them from parts.

I'll be planting a much bigger garden this year and it will encroach on the front yard.

We aren't putting a dollar out the door without first asking if we could live without that. And if the answer is yes, then we do without it.

Smart woman...
We have become a country of spoiled brats, not many of whom are willing to live within our means. We've forgotten the difference between wants and needs. Thank you Chuck, for passing along your mother's words of wisdom...we would all do well to abide by them and practice a bit of fiscal self-restraint and appreciation for what we HAVE as opposed to whining for what we want....and worse yet, expecting it to be provided by the government!

True but not popular
As solid advice as your grandma gives, Chuck, the problem with it comes down to popularity. At the moment it is not politically popular for the government to just pull back and start living within it's means and letting individuals and communitities help themselves. It would make the politicians feel less important and we all know how important that is to them. Plus it's counter-intuitive to most people that the government shouldn't do anything and people should stand on their own two feet. That just doesn't resonate with people. It's sad, but true.

the old days
I'm only 82 but i remember the old two holer. it was on my grand fathers farm and he lived by the 'rules' you speak of.I was Luck that my family lived in the city with all the amenities.even thougth we had everything we needed the percepts you had from your grand mother were there and are sorely missed today. that time of life was (with all it's hard ships) better then we have today.

Chuck
You can spell economics? I am indeed surprised! Please understand that the parallels you have attempted are not relevant. In the 1920's, the nations of the world were building the modern age. Their primary economic activities were construction. Yes exports were relevant during this period but not really important. They were indeed important to America because we had the leading position at the time. When our exports fell from $5.3 billion to $1.6 billion,market collapse followed. Germany,France,Japan and England were still stagnated from WWI. Today's collapse is due to exported "Debt". Our response this time is quite different from that of the "Great Depression". The world is so interconnected now that caution is the most important "Action". We have created a "Delicate Balance" in the world economy and must treat that with "Loving Care"!!! Chuck are indeed "Amazing". Who Knew?

Chuck, Thanks! and to your Grandmother!
Only one troll so far! It is very hard to argue with true wisdom, but leave it to the trolls, they will try (and fail!).

As Dave Ramsey Says...
"...giving you the same advice as grandma, but we keep our teeth in."

Hey, Killer...
Our current economic situation pales in comparison to the depression, and during the 1920's agriculture was a larger part of the economy than construction.

Stay on topic, and verify your facts.

Chatroom
If any of the conservatives here would like to come to a chatroom to hang out and discuss the issues with other conservatives,

go to

http://www.fundmental.com/thchat.php

click REGISTER and then follow the instructions.

Hope to see some of you there.

Economic Survival Guide
Bravo Chuck. If we fall in love with government it will come back to bit us. Power is that way, as absolute power corrupts. I wonder sometimes if our nation will survive, as some boohoo the idea of family as God created it.

Chucks Mom
Bless your Mom, Chuck!!! Very down to earth and ever so wise!!! THank-you for sharing her thoughts with us.....God BLess!

WISDOM IS THE PRINCPLE THING
Ice Cream & The Election Excellent analogy!
From a teacher in the Nashville area.
Who worries about "the cow" when it is all about the "Ice Cream?
The most eye-opening civics lesson I ever had was while teaching third grade this year.
The presidential election was heating up and some of the children showed an interest.
I decided we would have an election for a class president.
We would choose our nominees. They would make a campaign speech and the class would vote.
To simplify the process, candidates were nominated by other class members.
We discussed what kinds of characteristics these students should have.
We got many nominations and from those, Jamie and Olivia were picked to run for the top spot.
The class had done a great job in their selections.
Both candidates were good kids. I thought Jamie might have an advantage because he got lots of parental support. I had never seen Olivia's mother.
The day arrived when they were to make their speeches Jamie went first.
He had specific ideas about how to make our class a better place. He ended by promising to do his very best.

Everyone applauded. He sat down and Olivia came to the podium. Her speech was concise.
She said, "If you will vote for me, I will give you ice cream." She sat down.
The class went wild. "Yes! Yes! We want ice cream." She surely could say more. She did not have to.
A discussion followed. How did she plan to pay for the ice cream? She wasn't sure.
Would her parents buy it or would the class pay for it? She didn't know.
The class really didn't care. All they were thinking about was ice cream.
Jamie was forgotten.
Olivia won by a landslide.
Every time Barack Obama opened his mouth he offered ice cream and fifty-two percent of the people reacted like nine year olds. They want ice cream.
The other forty-eight percent of us know we're going to have to feed the cow and clean up the mess.

Chuck--
Blessings to you and Mom. I was born on the inauguration day of FDR's first term.(1933) Dad and family had to move to find work--we were on the dole for a very short while to my poor Dad's everlasting embarrassment.
We never knew we were poor. We always found a way to get together with family. We toughed it out with help from and to our neigbors through WW2. I worked on a milk truck before the school day started. Then later on an ice truck. I gave my entire pay to Mom to help with the family's expenses while Dad and older brother were off in the Pacific theater.
I moved through a modestly successful career in life with far more material goods and wealth than when I was a boy.

Why then do I always think of the lean years with such great pleasure when I sit back, close my eyes and take time for pleasant memories?? Why do I not think of the 51 inch TV, the ice maker and all the other conveniences I have today? Why do I think about standing at the sink with my sister and peeling potatos as so wonderful?
And why do I remember with great warmth, the place that God had in our home?? His image was on our walls and we visited Him at church regularly.
The pursuit of secular pleasure has, in fact, emptied the gifts of love and belonging from our very being and left us where we are today. I do not think that "texting" Jesus will work as well as honoring Him.

Steve
I see we have another uneducated Georgian. My point was the reduction of exports. Does not the contrast of $5.3 billion to $1.6 billion tell you something. Agriculture though more portable also suffered. Building the "Modern World" was an introduction to the controlling thought.

Mother Norris's Suggestions
Notice that NOWHERE among Mother Norris’s Suggestions do you see:

1. Go to the government.
2. Hold out your hands.
3. Say, “Give me! Give me! Give me!”

Piggy the Moocher, Homeless by Choice Harriet and Halfwit Julio need to read this column.


Well done Chuck!!
I'm only 67 however do remember somewhat of the after effects of the depression. I was born in the back woods of Arkansas. My grandfather on dads side was a wealthy man prior to the collapse and owned a considerable amount of land. He broke himself feeding the people around him and wound up broke. He moved from Ar. in 1939 moving to Ok, rebuilding his life as a rancher/farmer. My mothers dad was a small farmer who struggled to survive. I remember what they went though from hearing their stories of survival. My mother and father had six kids, five girls and me, one son. I was in the ninth grade before we had running water inside the home and an inside bathroom/toilet. All of us worked in the fields. There was no money for us kids. I escaped this at the age of 16, graduating from high school and joining the AF. I went through high school in three years. My day started at 5am and ended somewhere around 12pm. I do not have many years left here however do know how and will survive any downturn in economics. There are other evils on the horizon that will make the last great depression pale in relation. I'm not sure God will have anything to do with protecting the nation now. I believe He has another agenda at this time. He will continue to deal with the individual however not the nation. It has gone too far away from Him.

Raised in Wilson, OK
Great article!!I understand where your coming from, I was raised in Wilson and my Mother and family still live there. My mother (Margie Garrett) will be 79 years old on March 3. We were raised with the same roots and I will always remember where I came from. Big families that care for one another is so special. When you put God first and family second you can survive anything. Our saying is " When you miss with me your missing with the whole famiy". Thanks for sharing and don't ever forget where you come from.

GREAT ARTICLE
Chuck, I know what you are saying. My grandparents, parents and aunts and uncles were raised in Wilson. My dad worked on the Lake Murray as well. All my uncles and my dad also worked in the oilfields in Wilson, Healdton, Fox and areas around there. I still go to Wilson on occasion. My brother lives in Ardmore. Thanks again for the article. It was Great!!!

Jim PA #14 - I just got off the phone
expressing similar thoughts with one of my children. By allowing us to face challenges from an early age, we DEVELOPED! We learned what we could do - and were creative in discovering new ways to do many things. Throughout the entire process, we GREW and formed good character and work ethics and appreciation for little things.

Today, it is quite apparent that acquiring 'things' matters more than having close relationships or developing personal accountability and strong character. It is soooo sad that common sense is missing from so much of today's decision-making.

Chuck - Loved your Black Belt Patriot book. I think you have what it takes to enter the political world - for sure, you would be good for our country. God Bless You - and may your wise mother continue to have good health for the remainder of her years. Mine is gone now - cherish each and every day you have with her!

I remember this one, Chuck
There's a little old shanty in our backyard
The roof is so slanty, the seats are so hard
There's a half moon on the door
Sears, Roebuck on the floor
The little old shanty in our back yard
Second verse:
It's hot in the summer
Cool in the spring
But, in the winter, speed is the thing

Brad

Blessed are the poor?
Chuck, I've been hearing reflections like those of your Mother for years. My Mom said I don't know how many times, "I'm glad I was raised back then as opposed to now," even though two families moved in with hers during the Depression. At first I put this all down to nostalgia countering with, "yeah it might have been swell for you, white and relatively privileged in California, but what about all those folks who weren't privileged back in those Jim Crow days?" Then I started learning that even those in the less than privileged communities thought things were better back in those days, too, namely for the communal engagement and love (care, with warts and all!) that was more evident back then. In particular, I recall reading testimonies from old Black Ladies from Gee's Bend, Alabama at a traveling museum exhibit, that all bemoaned the loss of community since then, even though poverty was probably wider and deeper back then in isolated Gee's Bend than in most places ("prosperity" has come there in the last decade or so as there beautiful quilts have become known and desired). They all said they were poorer but happier back then. Of course, it is sinful to idolize poverty for the sake of poverty, but there is something about it that strips away our pretensions and distractions about who we are and are meant to be.

depression era wife
Dear Chuck, My husband has been jokingly calling me his depression era wife for years but we are going to be sitting this recession out pretty well because we know how to DO. As much as I've tried to tell people over the years, they haven't wanted to stop purchasing. Hard to feel sorry for people who choose their high level of debt... God keep us humble!

Mr Norris,
God Bless your mom and her wise words.

He seems to have blessed your old home town of Wilson, OK recently when the tornado missed it (it's where my sister and adult son live now.I got phone calls right after the hit so my prayers were with Long Grove next door)

My sons and I had the pleasure of meeting you years back at a tournement where you presented my son with a trophy for his sparring and kata's.

Keep up the wonderful writings.. you're an inspiration and a patriot in every sense of the word.

Edna Eagle

Seawolf
I read in a Time Magazine in the early 'seventies, while steaming in the Indian Ocean, that West Virginia had established a "Happy Pappy" program. This program required all able-bodied males receiving welfare to preform work for the state or county. Some did nothing more than pick up trash along the highways - but they were doing productive and necessary work. I later read where upper state New York had adopted a similar program.

I asked, a few years later while in WVa, how the program was working. I was told the New York state was sued by the "Happy Pappy" types after which the program was cancelled in both NY and WVa.

There are many who need and deserve help when they are down and out.

There are also many who wouldn't hit a snake if given a stick! We seem to have a lot of these types running loose in the present era.

Somebody said the other day that if we kept putting folks in the wagon bed, we'd have no one left to pull the wagon!


God bless you Chuck
and your lovely mother too.

My own MIL (who will be 93 this year) is also just such a treasure. She has seen horse and buggy days (her family homesteaded at Holly-we have an old photo of her and her brother as children in a horse-drawn wagon), her dad owned a Ford dealership, and her stories of life during the Depression are just about the most precious things in the world to us. They always had what they needed, clothing made the rounds through town, not just a family, so as one girl outgrew a dress she handed it along to the next in line. She remembers well the Dust Bowl-a horrific thing that blacked the skies and left piles of dust everywhere, every day. Imagine running a bakery and having to fight that, especially in the display window, but they did that too. Wet towels put along every window and doorsill twice or more a day couldn't keep the dirt out. They put oil on the floors to collect the dust so it could be swept out as vacuum cleaners weren't available yet.

But there was plenty of love to go around-and she is still loving her neighbor, and being Mom to DH, me and our kids as far as she is able. Come the day we'll miss her kind and their hearts, especially as it looks like we're about to get spanked as hard as we did thirty years ago and will need to learn to love as she still does. That might not be such a bad thing.

It's Unfortunate
that today education trumps intelligence trumps wisdom. Without true wisdom as displayed by your family here, all the intelligence and all the education is just wasted on immature children who are no longer teachable. So many of the trueisms of my younger days had to wait for me to "grow up" a little before I understood them. Such as a penny saved is a penny earned - now we throw pennies away. A stitch in time - we throw clothes, shoes and all sorts of things away and buy new ones. Leftovers you say. What are those? The "junk" drawer that held rubber bands, safety pins, hairpins, buttons, etc. We'll never return to those days, but if we remain ignorant or lazy or even "poor" whatever that is, it is our own fault. There are so many oppotunities to listen and learn valuable information that can help you and that you can then share with others. Better than TV or MTV or watching the crazies from CA fighting for the right to kill their unborn babies or railing against churches that do not want to engage in homosexual marriage. As my father used to say, you better get smart to yourself!?!

Don't Know About Doing with Less
But I do know that I have five acres, livestock, a large garden and adding chickens.

There are rabbits and squirrels, fish and fowl nearby.

May not have any money soon, but I think we'll come through.

Peggy
I used to hear a saying in the Navy: "Educated far beyond his/her intelligence." Yeah, we had some of those in the Navy, just like civilian life.

My dad had to drop out of school in the third grade to run a fair sized cattle and horse farm when his father became ill. Not because he was my dad, but the man could do anything! My mom went to the eighth grade because that was the top grade in her small mountain town. She read books at the college level and, like my father, never seen at loss to do whatever was needed. She helped me with my studies when I was in high school and had a better grasp of several subjects than did my teachers -- she was a whiz at math.

I grew up with listening to many "uneducated" folks discuss politics in depth. Damned if they didn't understand the workings of the government better than many who graduated from ivy league colleges. And some still do! One can go to where the older folks drink their morning ooffee and listen. Their depth of knowledge of world affairs amaze me!


Chuck's Mother's Biography
If anyone would like to read the inspirational biography of Chuck's mother, Ms. Wilma Norris Knight, it is available at

http://www.ShelteredinHisArms.com

Thank you and God bless!

Farah Bazzrea - Co-Author

good ole days
geez, how'd we do it but I remember being happy

My family came to this country after the war & slept on the bare floor. there was no gov't assistance, no bi-lingual assist, no church assist .this country, its people were just coming out of the depression, out of the war & there was nothing but the "FREE...(the word may not mean much to you folks, but coming from a communist country, FREE, that's what mattered most to us)FREEDOM TO DO to work, to earn $$ to buy whatever we needed, to live where we wanted, to worship, to go to school..OMG..YOU FOLKS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT MEANT TO US. There was no thought of going on "relief," (which we had to swear/sign something saying we wouldn't apply for it), WE WERE SOOOO HAPPY just to have the right to choose,live as we chose. Our next door neighbor gave us some bedding, my father got a job as a dishwasher making $8/week, shortly after my mother got an office cleaning job..the rent was $16/month..we were soon able to buy a secondhand bed (which turned out to have bedbugs), then a table chairs, pots/pans..you have no idea how lucky we were * how lucky we felt that we were in AMERICA...& to do this day I pray to God for blessing me, helping me keep the commonsense my parents engrained in me so that I continue to stay healthy & continue taking care of myself..but now I find that we (my husband & I) have to continue to work in order to be able to pay our way, our own bills..while I watch this once great country crumble, be torn to bits by those who refuse to do for themselves, worse yet, to watch those in our gov't think this is normal, w/in one's rights to expect another to provide

what a shameless pig
is Chuck Norris( Chuck Norris? You guys have Chuck Norris as a spokesman?) i am to believe that Chuck's 87 year old mother spoke those words,as written. And using terms like 'downsizing' and 'reading Rick warren's book'. Yeah Right. An 87 year old woman said those things.Well,MY mother died at 85 10 years ago And she adored FDR. And here's a clue,folks- If Chuck's mother is 87 ,she was born in 1922.So,she was 10 to 16 years old during the great depression. And, as most teens since time began,she wasn't thinking of money. She were tinkin about boys and sunday dresses and some such stuff. You people will fall for a load of crap while The Repugs steal You blind. Sad. Very sad. watch your president tonight and see a leader.

re: Darwin awards
Would love to read about David from FLA in this year's Darwin Awards.

David - FL Previous Comments
David, there is no reason for you to be belligerent or insulting. If you disagree with Mr. Norris, why do you bother reading his column? I have co-authored Ms. Wilma Norris Knight's biography and I can tell you that she is quite capable of expressing herself in the manner in which she was quoted. My mother has spent much time with her and her family. BTW, Ms. Wilma was born on May 4, 1921. What I feel is sad, is that you feel the need to denigrate an extremely patriotic Christian man who may differ with you politically, but has the same right to free speech as you are being allowed on this website. For the record, I voted for President Obama, but that does not affect my opinion of Mr. Norris, his family, and former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee. Please refrain from exhibiting your intolerance of other opinions that may differ from your own. You do our nation and the principles upon which it was founded, no honor. God bless.

Eaxtly right
My mom was born in 1923, lived through the depression and would say almost exactly the same thing.

Ignore this advice at your peril!

David in FL
WOW! What a pathetic loser you are ... so ungracious, so full of hate ... why don't you do the good green thing and save the planet the resources you consume!

Hate? Nope.
The point being,You guys have Chuck Norris as a spokesman? What happened to ' Hollywood stars should shut up about politics'. And,More to the point, I heard all you sheep bleeting about 'support your president in wartime'. Well, We got a new president. And it's still wartime. What happened to you good patriotic folk? Me hate? I think not. You are liers,hypocrates, and pond scum just like your 'leaders'. You care more for ideology than the good of the country. The electorate -the American people voted you rats out. And,personally, You should secede and see how fer that gets ya. The Northern states been sending money to you crackers for decades. Good money after bad. You love being ignorant. Fine. Be so. Go form your own country and see how long That lasts. Yuh. a country of hillbillys armed and dangerous. You people make me wanna puke.

Thanks, Chuck...
My 90 year old mom is a saver. Spend what you have... She has done well, and I expect her to be around for quite a while longer. It is good to have conversations with our elders who have lived through some tough times. God Bless You and Yours.

To Farah
Yeah, Chuck's a 'patriotic Christien' he based his film carreer on blasting every non-white on the planet on 'full auto'. Patriotism lies in the conviction of withen-not without. I am The Patriot. I don't follow depots ruling over Me with fear of some brown man as my enemy. You do. Torture is criminal and counter-productive. You want torture. I am The Patriot. Every citizen has a right to equal protection under The Law. that's in The Constitution. That applies to Gays. You don't support the constitution,therefore are UnAmerican. I AM The Patriot.

Hi, David!
The point being... Chuck's collum is not so much about politics as it is about common sense. You have not made an argument citing any content in the article which could be in error. Do you actually have any point at all except to attempt to demonstrate a childishly foolish one upmanship by being crude and uncivil?

Let me put it in terms that you may understand, although that is a far stretch based on the evidence which you present in your writing...

You thin - skinned, whiny, pile of Sheeit. You don't amount to a pimple on a real man's keister. Talk about ignorant, you puss - filled, maggot... you couldn't enumerate the toes on your left foot without a fookin guide walkin' you through it. If you were on fire, you wouldn't deserve to have a real patriot walk across the street to p1ss on you, but we would, just because it's right.

Political dissent is a luxury reserved for those protected by better men than they.





Hey, David...
Use a spell checker, dude. You sound like an idiot.

Oh, pardon me. You are an idiot.


And by the way,Farah
I read these posts to gather the talk of ignorant pondscum,to make Me feel better about Myself. Your smarmy note implied my comments somehow,abridged Mr Norris' right to self-expression.On the contrary, I invite Mr Norris,and Ms. Colter,and Mr O'Rielly,and Mr. Hannity to keep talking. It shows the drek that thier minds conjure up,every day. The last howls of a dying breed.

Umm.
I don't care what You think of Me. You just didn't get that subtle hint,I guess. Repugtards.

Yeah
I guess your idea to deal with Me is violence. How very Republican of you. That has always been your(and Chuck's) answer to everything. And hasn't that made US a better people and a better world? Just kill'em. How very....Christian.

oh. By the way
I saw your great hope 'Bobby Jindel'- He sounded like he was running for class president. 4th grade class president. Whew! Pathetic.

G'night...
Well, David, you still have not expressed a single cogent policy oriented idea. Apparently, you are unable to do anything more than toss out playground taunts in the broadest and least truthful context.

I would say, that if you were to actually read what is written that most Republicans are pretty policy oriented. We support the war effort, but don't think it is a good idea to decimate the military budget, or to suspend advanced weapons development, or to cancel the star wars program, or to set a timetable for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

Unfortunately, you did not read what I just wrote with any comprehension at all. You moron.




David - FL
You know nothing about me or my political ideology, yet you spew hateful, stereotyping ignorance towards me. First of all, Mr. Norris is an "actor". Get it? He was playing a role in movies about actual historical wars. Had the enemies been polka-dotted, Hollywood would have painted them so. The color of their skin was not motivated by prejudice. Secondly, you suggest I do not support the U.S. Constitution. Please read the book I co-authored, "Got Liberty?" 2002 Proverbial Publishing. I suggest you will find out otherwise. Thirdly, you know nothing about my position on Gay rights. As a matter of fact, you have done nothing but make AS$-U-mptions about me throughout your posts. You have only continued to show your lack of tolerance for anyone whom you even suspect of differing with your opinion without giving them the "Innocent until proven guilty" provision of the U.S. Constitution. You charge that I do not honor the Constitution, I suggest you look in the mirror. You are NOT a patriot, my friend. You hide behind the freedom of speech, but you attempt to propagate the propaganda of division politics and intolerance towards others without any factual basis and commit the exact actions you are so quick to incorrectly point out in others. I bid you adieu and suggest you search your heart to resolve your insecurities within. When you have disposed of the poisons tainting your comments, you will find your message will be received more credibly... if in fact, that is what you wish. Then again, you may be like a two-year old, just wanting attention. Good evening and God bless.

oh, By the way
It's Jindal. Not Jindel, David.

Did your parents have any children that lived?


Farah, Mrs. Norris "biography"??
With respect to you ma'am, I heard Mrs. Norris speak here in Dallas and she said that your biography was full of half-truths and many made up lies about her life. She gave examples. Mrs. Norris has NOT "authorized" or endorsed the biography and you know that to be true.

Suzi
I beg your pardon. When and where did you hear Ms. Knight speak negatively of her biography? I would be interested in knowing if she is publicly denouncing an effort which she and her family collaborated with my mother for over 15 years. Why don't you buy a copy and read it for yourself. Better yet, go to http://www.ShelteredinHisArms.com and read all the local people's comments that KNEW the family. Some readers had even dated Ms. Wilma's sister. He has personally stopped by and told me how much he enjoyed the book. Also, Ms. Wilma's niece recently purchased 3 copies after reading it. She bought one for her sister, and daughter. LOL Also, it's even funnier that you say this, because much of the history that Mr. Norris wrote about in this article except about the outhouse which we omitted out of respect for Ms. Wilma's wishes, appeared to come from our book. Have you read it for yourself? (-: Furthermore, Ms. Wilma didn't even want people to think she had rode in a wagon before... they didn't own a car in the 20's and 30's so YOU tell how she and her family went to the First Baptist Church here in town EVERY Sunday that was two miles away. Are you going to tell me that instead of riding in her father's wagon, she walked... by herself? I try to consider that Ms. Knight is 87 and doesn't understand that she should be proud of the way she grew up and not ashamed. If in fact, she has publicly stated negative things about the book, it would not make her biography any less "authorized". We have written, signed, and notarized authorization agreements. Thank you for allowing me to respond. This is a FUN place to hang... does everyone who posts here get attacked? lol

David
My mother was born in 1923, making her pretty close in age to Mrs. Norris. She grew up on a farm in North Dakota -- not exactly the Dust Bowl, but Grandpa and the neighbors struggled too. Mom HATED HATED HATED FDR. She held him responsible for a winter of starvation her family endured because his gov't agents came and culled Grandpa's little dairy herd to boost the price of milk in Wisconsin. They had been selling the milk to neighbors for winter fuel, but with only one cow left, they barely had enough for the family. They lived that winter on two meals a day of gov't issue oatmeal and raisins and one meal a day of canned dairy cow and potatoes. Mom and her younger sister got rickets that permanently stunted their growth. They burned cow dung instead of coal to stay warm that winter.

Mom's first job was herding cattle for an uncle -- 12 hours a day in the saddle for $9 and a pair of $2 shoes, paid up front. Mom hated going barefoot, so she shorted herself $1 for the entire summer to get the shoes up front. Yeah, $11 for three months worth of work and she got paid the same as the men. She worked as a dishwasher for $3 a week a couple years after that. She bought her own books for school and her own clothes. She had boyfriends, but they understood their folks' dire straits just as well as Mom understood hers. Everybody worked or everybody starved. That was the Depression.

And, actually, we have a 79-year-old woman in our Purpose Driven Life study right now. And Mary uses words like "down-sizing". She also knows how to use email and watches the news on four different channels every day, plus reads the newspaper. She's old, not obsolete.

Depression, recession, & calamity
My parents married in April 1932 and shortly thereafter, moved to Alta Vista Virginia to work in the "Blue Ridge Cotton Mill" My grandfather led most of his family there and stayed until 1938. I was born in 1937 and have heard my mother tell of the times that the family ate Polk salad.(Cooked leaves of the Poisonous Polk Berry plant) I guess cooking killed the poison in the leaves, any way we all survived. I have seen some lean days, but not like that. I do remember that in my youth, more people seemed to go to church, especially while World War II was going on. We had to use stamps for permission to get meat and gasoline as they were rationed, but we survived.
With God's help we can survive these scanty times, but it's a good time to become acquainted with one's maker if you have not done so. You're gonna need Him!
Good article Chuck! Maybe it will cause some to think.

The biography mentioned below is bogus
I read a copy of the pseudo-biography of Chuck's mom mention below by Farah and it is terribly, terribly written (English and flow is atrocious) and so many fabrications and embellishments that are impossible to know or be recollected. Don't waste your money or your time. It is clearly an unauthorized biography that the Norris family has renounced.

Sean H.
Is this Sean Hannity? You are one to talk about fiction. LOL I'm impressed that you claim to have read our book, but I'm rather doubtful. In the first two quadrants of the book, colloquialisms are intentionally used to carry the reader back into the time and space of early twentieth-century rural southern Oklahoma. Have you ever read any Gore Vidal? Also, in the foreword, I openly admit some conversations in the early portions of Ms. Knight's history are surmised based upon her earliest recollections, her sister, Gladys' statements, and my mother's own personal experiences. I'm sure you were requested to make your statement. It's interesting that an attorney representing Mr. Norris and his mother have recently made an offer to purchase the print, serial, and movie rights to our book. Is this an orchestrated effort to weaken our negotiating position? If so, it won't matter. They have my counteroffer and that is what it will require to buy the rights to my copyright. We are quite secure in our position that we have the authorized biography of Ms. Wilma Scarberry Norris Knight. I'm certain if Mr. Norris had a financial interest in our book, it would be an entirely different situation. You can attempt to discredit our work, but our readers, local residents who have firsthand knowledge of the Scarberry family, relatives of Chuck and his mother, have all provided very positive feedback. If anyone wants to make up their own mind, the book is available on all major online bookstores around the world, in addition to several retail chains. If you would like to order a signed copy, please visit http://www.ShelteredinHisArms.com. This is simply a case of David and Goliath. We will stand up for ourselves and what is right. You do not intimidate us, Mr. Sean H. Thank you!!!
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