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Tuesday, April 29, 2008
Chuck Norris :: Townhall.com Columnist
Border Fence Fiasco
by Chuck Norris
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This past week, Customs and Border Protection officials reported that two months after Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff approved a $20 million virtual fence along a 28-mile stretch in Arizona (called Project 28), the fence was scrapped as impractical and ineffective.

Is anyone really shocked by this security fence fiasco? Another government solution bites the dust.

While border patrols and homeland security have made some headway, our nation's boundaries, ports and airports remain largely open runways for illegal and terrorist transport. For example, Sen. Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico just sent out his "Newsletter Update" (April 21, 2008) reminding us about another type of illegal crossing: those from the United States to Mexico! It appears drug cartels are again using revenue derived from their "free trade" to purchase weapons illegally in the U.S. and smuggle them into Mexico, where they are bolstering murder rates -- up 100 percent in certain towns.

Exacerbating the security crisis is the fact that there continues to be a shortage of both Border Patrol and other government safety officials. The Homeland Security Department still is trying to fill last year's 138 vacancies in high-level jobs -- an employment crisis that it calls "a critical homeland security issue that demands immediate attention."

Our government has failed to produce a suitable resolution to the illegal immigrant crisis. Amnesty is not the answer. And immigration laws aren't effective if we continue to dodge or ignore them. Furthermore, globalization efforts have only confused security matters, further endangering our borders, as well as our national identity -- our sovereignty. How is it that we can overthrow a government such as Iraq militarily, yet we can't keep illegalities from crossing our borders? As Mike Huckabee still says, "If the government can't track illegals, then let's outsource the job to UPS or FedEx."

Now more than ever, we must protect our national borders and sovereignty by providing genuine solutions to the dangers of American boundary fluidity. With estimates showing that by 2060, America will add 167 million people (105 million of them being immigrants), it is imperative for us to do more to solve this crisis. Now is the time to beat the doors of change and save the boundaries of America.

I still agree with leaders such as Newt Gingrich, who I believe has some excellent solutions to the illegal immigration dilemma. Here are a few of his ideas and a few others I think are worthy of implementation.

-- Consider becoming a Border Patrol agent. You can help to protect America's boundaries.

-- Don't just write your representatives; hound them about the issues of illegal immigrants and terrorist importations. To speak against illegal immigration is not racist, but humane and American. Immigration: yes. Illegal immigration: no!

-- We must tighten the loops through which illegals dodge deportation. In some cases, they've been deported multiple times.

-- We need to quit subsidizing the costs for illegal immigrants' residency in America immediately. How long will we allow them to siphon millions upon millions from honest taxpaying Americans by supporting their health care, welfare, education and criminal expenses?

-- Cut off all federal aid to any city, county or state that refuses to investigate whether a criminal is here illegally. Sanctuary stations are merely potential harbors for fugitives.

-- The Internal Revenue Service and law enforcement need to audit and prosecute employers who hire illegal aliens. Illegals often come to this country because they can earn better wages than they can in their own countries. If Americans stop employing them, many simply won't come.

-- To preserve our heritage, distinction and encourage one common language, we must make English the official (though obviously not the exclusive) language of the U.S.

-- And for the remaining illegal immigrants already in this country, I agree again with Newt: Workers who came here illegally but have a good work relationship and community ties (including family), should have first opportunity to get the new temporary worker visas, but instead of paying penalties, they should be required to go home and get the visa at home."

-- At the same time we curb immigration abuses, we need to reward and expedite the processes for those who abide by the law and proper protocol to obtain legal immigrant status. (I recently heard a man on Glenn Beck's show who went through the legal channels to acquire his wife's U.S. citizenship, and it took them seven years!)

If these solutions don't stop the tides of illegal flow in and out of our borders, a friend of mine has a Texas-tough alternative and answer to replace the government's virtual fence failure. In fact, he says, we don't need a security fence at all. All we need to do is post signs and position manned trucks at key points, just like our government does at Area 51, the top secret military airfield in remote central Nevada, around which there are no fences or walls. There is never a breach or unwanted border crossing there -- at least that we hear about! And why? Because the boundary never is questioned. It reads, "Warning: Use of deadly force authorized."

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interesting article
from CARLOS REY that is correct our friend is from immigrant stock as i am my grandfather had to sneek into philly they sent him back to fight for the germans wwI. he stayed, and when his sons ,my father and uncle came back as war heros they had to give him his papers. that was a long time ago we need to come up to date secure our borders and work out a "probation system" to moniter and help the people already here pay taxes and help support the system they are crashing. not a path to citisenship a means to tax, license, protect, and give the employers a choice register the hands or face stiff fines for non compliance. i have a plan and am trying to put it in place in ak. it could be a test bed. lew e. anch., ak.

Conservative Activist Groups?
All of this talk about what NEEDS to be done is fine. But what can the average Joe, or California Soccer Mom (in my case) do? I have become completely intolerant of Hispanics. When they speak Spanish in front of me I just about go ballistic. I can no longer keep my silence and be politically correct. I have violent dreams, disposing of these criminals, blatantly disrespectful, invaders. Are there groups that are activist that hold rallies, picketing, or some kind of outward assembly that we can get this anger out of our systems? Someone must actually DO SOMETHING to stop the INVASION. Government has no intention of helping. mrsredd@cox.net

ILLEGAL ALIEN - Jobs and Family Services
A story we all share........ This is worded exactly from the Application "Request for Cash, Food Stamps and Medical Assistance" of Ohio

- If you are not a U.S. Citizen and are only applying for alien emergency medical assistance, you do not have to verify your citizenship status or immigration status, or provide a social security number.
- Your food stamp amount may increase if you also bring proof of the following costs: child/dependent care, child support paid for children not living with you, housing, utilities, medical costs for people with disabilities or for people who are over age 60 (INCLUDING PRESCRIPTIONS).
Some Representatives and Rennnnallldunce (Renaldo) say they get no medical or welfare which is a LIE. While reading a form for Food Stamps from the Ohio Job and Family Services; I noticed they were actually soliciting ILLEGAL ALIENS to give them Food Stamps and Cash, Medical Assistance, Child Care, Prenatal Care, Work Skills – A free education, and they will get them a job.
An American citizen needing any of the above services must wait in line while hundreds of ILLEGAL ALIENS get more assistance than our citizens get.
Exact Wording:
Do I have to be a Citizen?
NO. Please do not let fear of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) keep you from seeking needed assistance for your family. Many immigrants can receive cash, food stamps, and medical assistance. Also, alien emergency medical assistance is available without regard to your immigration status.
What other services are available?
You may be eligible to receive other services such as: Child care assistance, prenatal care, housing costs, work skills, and help getting a job. These services may require a separate application. Ask you caseworker about these services. If you need help with child care costs, contact your local CDJFS for a child care application.

Border Fence Fiasco
I agree 100% with Mr. Norris!

the plus of an official language
re:
The "official" language nonsense is just to appease the "I don't like hearing any of these for'in languages around here" crowd.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Any step which helps force the use of one language is a plus for the whole body politic. Multilingualism offers NOTHING positive, but it surely prompts many problems. The Hispanic Congressman who sponsored the bill which required that bilingual education be available for Hispanic kids now says it is the worst regret of his political life-- those kids use it is a crutch, learn English more slowly, and fall still further behind. The correlation between speaking English as a second language and poverty and other soci0-economic pathologies is HUGE.

As proven in Quebec and other places, a common language binds a nation together-- or divides it. In Quebec, ethnicity is no issue, but there are bitter rifts over language.

Those who oppose insistence upon one language resent the majority will and are sometimes simply Europhobes with chips on their shoulders. La Raza, etc., CLAIM that Hispanics want and will rapidly assimilate and speak English-- why then should they not welcome English immersion? For the millions here as ILLEGAL aliens, why should we want them to feel at home?

Enforcement the only solution
Immigration enforcement and border security, rather than reflecting racism, are the subject of simple pragmatism!

Overpopulation, congestion, urban sprawl, crime, pollution, crumbling infrastructure, overcrowded schools and emergency rooms, vanishing farm land and green space, diminishing resources, depressed wages, increased tax burdens, the balkanization of our communities and the overall decline in quality of life, are all the result of unconstrained immigration. Try as they might, the pro-illegal lobby cannot address these issues.

Too many people competing for limited resources has never been considered sound economic, environmental, social or cultural policy.

Amnesty and guest worker programs will not positively impact any of these problems because such policies fail to address the "continued residence" of the illegal aliens.

Sanction employers, build the fence, secure the borders, and enforce our existing immigration laws. America should continue to welcome limited numbers of legal immigrants to address prudent, demonstrable needs.

Virtually every industrialized nation, even China and Mexico, have taken steps to end illegal immigration and too curtail legal immigration to only that which is prudent, demonstrably necessary, and above all else, in the best interests of their native populations. Its dangerously misguided to suggest that the United States should not do likewise.

Any nation that does not secure its borders, that does not produce the products its people consume, and that cannot feed itself from the bounty within its own borders, will continue to be controlled by foreign interests and events beyond its sphere of influence!

Grumpy
Oh easy...the enacting of a federal law making English the official language of the US is silly which will have little effect on anything. Voters will still be able to vote in languages other than English as prescribed by the VRA, things like billboards, push one for English won't be effected, driver's license tests and the like won't either since these are the province of the states. Outside of things prescribed by law such as the VRA, departments are not required to accept or issue any forms, etc in any language outside of English.

The "official" language nonsense is just to appease the "I don't like hearing any of these for'in languages around here" crowd.

Ever notice how the "official" language crowd often has trouble with correct English themselves?

So, that is why it is silly and people who support it are silly and perhaps even delusional.

And Fivo:

I didn't say there were zero forces in the north, but the majority of forces--all forces have always been in the South. Aomori Prefecture is also in Honshu, not Hokkaido. If the US were so concerned about Japan exposure to the Soviets, the majority of the forces would have been in Hokkaido and Aomori, not a single airbase. There were also small US installations in Hokkaido too, but these could hardly be seen as a major obstacle to a Soviet advance if they had wanted to move on northern Japan.


The true numbers re illegal immigrants
We continually hear the 12 million illegal immigrant number but that is completely false. Common sense would lead to the conclusion that based on the net number of illegals entering every day, that number is mis-stated -- probably on purpose. Bear Stearns and the attorney general of California agree the number is north of 20 million. For your info, the following is a well researched website that updates the numbers in real time and it includes estimates of the costs of our "compassionate" open borders policy.

http://immigrationcounters.com/

Please share this site with your friends, talk show hosts, and supposedly informed politicians.

Bob @ 2:34
Excellent post, but cent-percent wasted on hal doofus (as well as other pro-La Raza touts including sjerk and mdogturds).

alleged "bigots" versus hypocrites
Hal Donahue (4/29/08 3:34 PM) writes:
"'To preserve our heritage, distinction and encourage one common language, we must make English the official (though obviously not the exclusive) language of the U.S.'
That makes him a bigot."

Tossing around accusations like "racist" and "bigot" without grounds is unethical behavior. false accusation is the worst kind of lie, a form of assault, and analogue to rape. It is not bigoted to want to preserve American culture in some recognizable form. America is a land of immigrants, but diverse immigrants who, for the most part, came to America with respect for America, and willing to become Americans through the melting pot. Currently, our immigrants are far from diverse, and if it weren't for all the illegals, we could admit more deserving and diverse immigrants from places like Darfur, Myanmar, Nepal, etc, whose refugees might be more appreciative and less militant than many of illegal Mexicans here.
Lefties throw words like "racist," "bigot," and "homophobe" at anyone who disagrees with their views on culture and sexuality, and then get all bent out of shape when conservatives say they hate America. Hypocrites. The left started this sort of thing, and does it a lot more frequently. The difference is that many lefties ASSUME UNQUESTIONINGLY that their views are FUNDAMENTALLY correct, while conservatives, even the ones who fight dirty, at least recognize the obligation to ARGUE for their views. The right has been in the academic wilderness for decades, and it's been intellectually humbling, while the left's stranglehold on conventional academic wisdom has bred intellectual hubris.
The narrow-mindedness of the far-right is at least not hypocritical. Only the intellectually presumptuous, smug, cynical left claims to be open-minded while nurturing an iron-clad refusal to question its presuppositions.

All it takes
is a Pres. with the will to make the United States a secure, safe from foreign invasion place...hasn't happened yet and its not likely either.

Watch our happy go lucky late term Pres. give the gift of amnesty via Executive order.

Some additions to Chuck's article
Two comments on Chuck Norris' commentary:

First, taxpayers are not having "millions and millions" of dollars siphoned from them by the costs of illegal immigration. It's more like billions and billions (and billions).

Second, we cannot allow those illegals who do not have a criminal record to move to the front of the line for citizenship. Are we naive enough to think that we catch every person who commits a crime? An illegal could have an extensive criminal history but no criminal record.

In addition, we can stop this illegal immigration madness tomorrow if we back up the Border Patrol with 100,000 National Guard troops -- all with orders to engage anybody who tries to break into America. It's just that our corrupt government does not really want to stem the flow across the border.

Akagi, thank you for your response
Now, could you explain how does it make Norris "silly" to propose that English be "the official (though obviously not the exclusive) language of the U.S." ?

I know
I've posted a few times in a row here, but I just got this in an EMAIL and thought it fit.

We need to show more sympathy for these people
They travel miles in the heat
They risk their lives crossing a border
they don't get paid enough wages
They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do
Speak a different language
They rarely see their families and they face adversity all day every day
I'm not talking about Illegals,I'm talking about our troops
Doesn't it seem strange that many democrats and republicans are willing to lavishall kinds of social benefits on illegals, but don't support our troops and are now threatening to defund them?

Sorry
but I should have added "Except for the 52 miles that Hunter made them build."

PhdJd
I hate to tell you, but IT"S ALREADY WIDE OPEN!!!!

The late Carlos Hathcock
was the basis for the Tom Beringer character in "Sniper". His book "One Shot One Kill" is an account of his time in 'Nam. He actually spotted moonlight reflecting off an enemy sniper's rifle scope and shot the little vermin right through the scope. The shot has been duplicated in a ridiculous number of flicks since.

He had an armorer work up a single shot based on the .50 BMG round. He used it to take out a ranking NVA officer at some ludicrous range. I think it was over a mile.

The Barret Light Fifty is actually NOT light. It goes 24 lbs. and is a single shot weapon over 5 feet long. NOT suitable for gang banging or other criminal operations.

Recently Barret wanted to make it reliable BEYOND a mile so they went to the .416 caliber. This is the same diameter as my beloved .416 Rigby African rifle but a lot heavier. A Rigby only spits out 400 grains of lead. The Barret shoots what I hear is a 700 grain bullet at almost 3,000 feet per second and it's a Spitzer boat tail design which is still screaming when it gets there.

-Ray
NRA Life Member

Hey guys
Heard today that Trivissono the local sports jock "extroidanair" has been docked another 1500 in taxes and has declaired that he won't pay it. Sounds like he might go to jail. He said he served a year as a young kid (don't know if he means juvi or not) and it was like a vacation. I'm waiting to see if he carries through on it. He is a real conservative on his show.

Wrat Wrangler
Thats better than a 9mm. I did fairly good with the M14 and the 16. The 14 is a fair long distance tapper. I also heard of a 50 cal single shot weapon used in Nam but only rumors, never actually saw one.

McCain will blow border OPEN
Read his statements -- he attacks NC Republican party for advertisement -- says today he is for socialized medicine -- this guy McCain is a nutjob. Guarantee that the fight for the border last year will be for naught if Johnny Jack wins. Give it up. I am learning Spanish. Give it the hell up, and STOP fooling yourselves. Let the Dems get credit for ruining things. If McCain is in office he will mess things up worse, maybe not as quickly. Vote Obama or stay home and let the public understand it is liberalism, NOT McCain's bogus "conservatism" taht will have caused the massive mess we are heading into. BE a patriot.

Build an UNFRIENDLY country
Re: Illegal aliens of ANY race or nationality. (is that “politically correct” enough for you Hal?)

It’s been said many times, but I’ll say it again:
Forget the fence. Build an UNFRIENDLY country & THEY WONT COME.

Unfortunately both the Democrats & Republicans have hidden agendas on this issue, so it’s in neither of their best interests to do this. If you want the problem solved, you’ll have to support another party.

as I recall....
all the buzzing began with those "vigilantes" or "new age minutemen" declaring that they were going to build southern border fencing on privately donated land to combat illegal entry into the USA by foreign persons, and you know what....this is the most likely way a southern border fence will ever be constructed...by the efforts of private US Citizens for the DEFENSE of their country outside of, in spite of, and absent of government!

northern Honshu
//Akagi writes: Tuesday, April, 29, 2008 12:55 PM
A few things
"Bring home our soldiers."

Repeating this as you seem to do again and again makes it no more true now than when you first posted it.

First, as it stands now, it would be illegal to use US troops in a border enforcement role unless such an act was authorized by Congress.

Second, US troops abroad are to pursue US interests and not to simply protect the host country. Troops in Japan are mostly in Okinawa and used to extend US power into the region. They were really never there to protect Japan. In a war with the USSR, Japan's SDF was expected to do much of the fighting at the start of the war--US forces were far from the threat--they weren't in Hokkaido or northern Honshu.//

Um, Misawa is and has been a major staging area for U.S. Navy and Air Force troops since 1945. America used the runway there as a major staging area. It currently has declined in manning but I believe it reached 10,000 at one point in anticipation of the Cold War reaction forces. The aircraft there were both responsible for reconnaissance and defense.

Or were you just referencing ground troops?

Yt-Knight
//the flash writes: Tuesday, April, 29, 2008 10:30 AM
Yt-Knight...NOT
I say, issue a shoot-to-kill order for anyone attempting to cross in either direction at any non-authroized entry point. Far fewer deaths will occur that way than sneaking across dangerous desert crossing points and dying from dehydration or hypothermia.

After a few coyote's are shot, the cost of illegal entry will skyrocket to the point no one will be able to afford their "protection", and the rest will be too scared.

A good sniper can cover 1.5 miles in each direction. That means we need about 1000 men to cover the entire border, at three shifts, plus furloughs we only need about a 5000 man force. And 9mm rounds are far cheaper than any fancy electronic fence concoction. We could even afford to waste a few warning shots before dropping the lead person.//

I'm sure your dominance fantasy must be nice. In the real world we should value the lives of people and not murder them.

I think Americans should lean towards prosecuting the employers that continue to evade taxes, develop slave labor practices, and justify sex and drug trafficking to support the influx of criminal cartel activities they have imported.

The reason the entire Board of Directors for Tyson Farms isn't in jail for 25 to life is beyond me.

Goood article by Chuck--
Good article and some excellent posts by some of the true consevative bloggers.

I believe that a terrible price will be paid by us taxpayers if this illegal fiasco does not end soon. As y'all know we already bear a heavy burden for the education, hospitalization, medication, nutrition, and encarceration of these illegal parasites. And with the so called 3 sell out candidates we now have running for POTUS it looks very bad. But of course the whiners that feel sorry for these parasites will keep up their perpetual excuses.

Of course we know that a winning team never has to make cheap excuses, only the losing team does.

So to all the illegal immigrant supporters out there: send us consevatives a large valid money order to help cover the excess taxes imposed on us by the illegals. If not, then why not?

Huckabee Loved Illegals
He was mister amnesty when he was governor. So why should a lack of a border fence bother either Norris or Huckabee now?

They gave us three liberals. Don't ever let them screw us again.

My long range shooting was limited to
my 1874 Sharps #3 heavy barrel in .45-120-550 paper patch with black powder and vernier sights. That's not a 2,500 yard rifle. My best on coconuts was 600 but a coconut is about the size of a human cranial cavity.

-Ray

Bigots
"How does it make Norris a "bigot" to propose that English be "the official (though obviously not the exclusive) language of the U.S.?"

It doesn't I suppose, but it does make one silly to propose that--again, what real effect will a federal language law do?

As for being a bigot, it depends. Some people on here are--they have stated it quite clearly hearing another language bothers them and a bigot is a person who is intolerant of those not like them--which would include other language speakers. But since he did qualify his statement with "(though obviously not the exclusive)," I'd think not. He is not a bigot, just someone who is silly





Hal: try for a logical answer
How does it make Norris a "bigot" to propose that English be "the official (though obviously not the exclusive) language of the U.S." ?

Gray Ghost
"He asks, in his 2:37pm post: "To protect against whom?"

Try reading the article stupid. The third paragraph mentions illegal crossings in both directions on the border between the USA and Mexico.

(However, I know that Hal Doofus already know the answers to his rhetorical questions."

My point is why the Southern Border when the Canadian border is so much easier too cross and paved LOL. Defending against terrorists or "brown people"? Legitimate questions I think. Why are we

"If he would stop being an arrogant smart-*ss, he might get more people to try to understand his viewpoint. As it is, most readers just scroll past his name.) "

LMAO really LOL

Declining Population
The established population of the United States is declining. So far it isn't to the point of losing people but it is far below what it was twenty years ago. It is simply too expensive to have large families now. When I started college, I paid $89 a semester in fees. Now it costs close to $20,000 at some universities. $10 worth of food would feed a family a week - now it is lucky to provide one meal. I paid 25 cents a gallon for gas - now look at the price.

It is estimated that the population of the United States would actually be reducing in number by 2020. So how are the politicians going to get the money for all their re-election projects? Raise the taxes on the few left? Or do like other countries have done - allow immigrants?

The illegal immigration problem is not a problem to the government. It is meant to keep the population expanding and more tax payers coming. Yes, many will go on Welfare. But some, at least, will pay taxes. And they need a constantly expanding tax base to keep a constantly expanding flow of money going to Washington.

So Chuck
"To preserve our heritage, distinction and encourage one common language, we must make English the official (though obviously not the exclusive) language of the U.S."

What will an official language do exactly at the national level?

Hal Doofus Is So Stupid, That...
He asks, in his 2:37pm post: "Which border?"

Try reading the article stupid. The first paragraph mentions Arizona. It is quite obvious that the article refers to the border between the USA and Mexico.

He asks, in his 2:37pm post: "To protect against whom?"

Try reading the article stupid. The third paragraph mentions illegal crossings in both directions on the border between the USA and Mexico.

(However, I know that Hal Doofus already know the answers to his rhetorical questions. If he would stop being an arrogant smart-*ss, he might get more people to try to understand his viewpoint. As it is, most readers just scroll past his name.)

Carol Chase
"Chuck racist? Obviously you don't know much about him or what he has done. So a man is against illegal immigration and he's a racist now? LOL "

-- To preserve our heritage, distinction and encourage one common language, we must make English the official (though obviously not the exclusive) language of the U.S.

That makes him a bigot

Wrat Wrangler & Flash
I was wondering when someone was going to suggest a REAL sniper round. A 9mm is not a sniper round as it doesn't have the range, Flash!

reader
"...What we need is to clone about 1,000,000 of Chuck and put them on the border - armed with deadly force."

actors???? you want to put actors with guns on the border? Which border? To protect against whom?

"Am I an alphabet soup racist too? "

What is an alphabet soup racist?

For Carol Chase @ 14:22
Don't bother trying to use logic against either hal doofus (donahue) or wobbie (robert); many of us have given up trying to find the last thing either of them got straight or consistent.

Hal Donahue
Chuck racist? Obviously you don't know much about him or what he has done. So a man is against illegal immigration and he's a racist now? LOL

Hal or Phil?
Hal sounds like Phil Donahue's twin. What we need is to clone about 1,000,000 of Chuck and put them on the border - armed with deadly force. Am I an alphabet soup racist too?

Wrat Wrangler
"-Ray
NRA Life Member "

Were you ever in the military? Just wondering

Chuck
You are a racist LMAO Thanks for coming out of the closet

A few things
"Bring home our soldiers."

Repeating this as you seem to do again and again makes it no more true now than when you first posted it.

First, as it stands now, it would be illegal to use US troops in a border enforcement role unless such an act was authorized by Congress.

Second, US troops abroad are to pursue US interests and not to simply protect the host country. Troops in Japan are mostly in Okinawa and used to extend US power into the region. They were really never there to protect Japan. In a war with the USSR, Japan's SDF was expected to do much of the fighting at the start of the war--US forces were far from the threat--they weren't in Hokkaido or nothern Honshu. Troops in Germany serve as an important rear area for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan just as Japan did during Korea. Italy was used during the Gulf War and in the war in Kosovo, the UK was used on the raid on Libya. These assets allow the US to project power far beyond its shores and has nothing to do with protecting Germany or Japan for that matter.


Give them Barretts!!!!
The snipers need Barret .416s which can reach out accurately to over 2,500 yards AND defeat body armor and light vehicle armor at that range. When the coyotes and the terrorists using the border start to pile up with flies on their eyes maybe they will learn.


-Ray
NRA Life Member

Hang it on a blimp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bondbeam,

The used to use blimps to catch drug traffickers on the border. With the motor off they can drift silenty in the night sky and night vision allows the agents to tape druggies in the act. If they shoot a blimp full of tiny bullet holes it can still cruise over 50 miles before it has to set down and the repairs are simple if time-consuming.

Mount LORADs on blimps and REALLY let the coyotes and their human trash cargo have it big time!! HOW can you develop an immunity to nerve pain? It's the ultimate hot foot.

The ACLU will shriek to high Heaven and so will the La Raza dirtbags, the DNC who crave the guaranteed votes and the slime ball planters who refuse to modernize when they have access to almost free labor will have a huge bovine. GOOD!!!

Ray
NRA Life Member

Illegals already here
I think it's unwise to allow ANYONE in the country illegally to go back and get a visa. How many things did they take from taxpayers while they were here?

Just because someone didn't commit murder doesn't mean they're upstanding citizens. Newt is of the opinion that we owe illegals something.

I think we should do "Operation W etback II" (the word "w etback" was used under President Eisenhower - please check this out and stop using a computer to analyze the comments) rather than splitting hairs. We have a government that can't do background checks for DoD work, but NOW, they're REALLY going to do their jobs. Give me a break.

After "Operation W etback II", let's close the border with Canada too. They're nice people, but they have whacky immigration policies that we can't have blow up in our faces because there are no fences between America and Canada.

Two Ron's?
Maybe we need to identify ourselves as Ron A & Ron B?

Bring home our soldiers
and all their equipment from FDR's War before they're surrounded by the Islamo-fascist-terrorist murderers in England and Germany, and have them take care of the illegal aliens. The Engineers can build the fence. The tanks and helicopters can patrol the border, backed up by the artillery. The infantry can round up and deport the illegal aliens. This would be funded by the money we're presently paying to protect Germany.

Welcome to the GDR on the Rio Grande
"I say, issue a shoot-to-kill order for anyone attempting to cross in either direction at any non-authroized entry point. Far fewer deaths will occur that way than sneaking across dangerous desert crossing points and dying from dehydration or hypothermia."

Yes--the GDR tried this approach too and the DPRK--are these two regimes what you'd like to see the US be like? I think the murder of illegal migrants would not be seen in a very good light by the world at large. But it would support what many in the world think of the US and doing so will put you in your rightful place as the biggest threat to world peace (the PRC thanks to Tibet has replaced the US in that coveted spot). Maybe you can make up "We're number 1 stickers" "and the most hated country in the world....and proud of it" and "Take that China."




Politicions turn yheir backs on USA
Let's face it! Our so called leaders are more interested in getting re-elected than protecting our borders from illegals, drug smugglers and terrorists. Dems and Reps!
They figure that when our country goes to "hell in a basket" they will move with their accumulated wealth to bask in the sun somewhere that they will be protected!!!!

The "Fair" Tax
"FairTax helps solve Illegal Immigration."

Only in the twisted mind of a cultist it does. Let's just forget the idiotic prebate for a second. Have you any idea how much sending all those prebate checks will cost? The one time economic stimilus will cost 300 million to send out all the checks and you want to send these out every month? How much will it cost to do that 12 times a month for millions of people. Let's also forget also the difficulty of implementing the prebate and the massive fraud it will bring. Let's just stick with the original charge. Illegals won't come or leave because some gringo is getting a prebate? How is an illegal going to be paying more during the Fair Tax? I thought your cult preaches that all the embedded taxes will vanish and everyone pays the same thing as now, if true, how do illegals pay more and if true, why do you need a prebate anyway?

Most illegals come to the US to work because there are more jobs in the US that pay better than in Mexico. The "Fair" Tax won't change that fact. Oh and I'll be selected by the NPC to be the president of China before the fair tax becomes a reality.


To Joseph Ravitts
Great point!

Mr. Norris' credentials
When someone solidly pegged as a right-winger issues the warning that Mr. Norris issues here, he gets blindly and reflexively dismissed as a racist. But Mr. Norris' long-running TV show took such a wholesomely liberal stand on racial-justice topics that no one with any sense can smear HIM as a racist for what he is now saying. Of course, that leaves the Reverend Wright still able to make the accusation.

Yt-Knight...NOT
This is the weirdest segue to the FiarTax I have ever read. I suppose that even though it will NOT stop illegals from selling illegal drugs and will NOT stop the transport of illegal weapons or terrorists, I am supposed to feel better because at least they will be paying some taxes on it?

As for LORAD, it's expensive and some people will die from it, like Tazers, and the US officers will be persecuted for it.

I say, issue a shoot-to-kill order for anyone attempting to cross in either direction at any non-authroized entry point. Far fewer deaths will occur that way than sneaking across dangerous desert crossing points and dying from dehydration or hypothermia.

After a few coyote's are shot, the cost of illegal entry will skyrocket to the point no one will be able to afford their "protection", and the rest will be too scared.

A good sniper can cover 1.5 miles in each direction. That means we need about 1000 men to cover the entire border, at three shifts, plus furloughs we only need about a 5000 man force. And 9mm rounds are far cheaper than any fancy electronic fence concoction. We could even afford to waste a few warning shots before dropping the lead person.

Another Government cannot Do
Chuck is very right on this. 20 million down the drain for what, finding out exactly what hundreds of others already knew.
This is why, YOU do not elect Big spenders to the offices of President and Senateor. Why this administration has failed, because of its alliance to spenders and free loaders.
With the use of Computers and the Net, Offical hiring and Visa offices can be established in Mexico for work in the United States. Software to show, add and remove available jobs in every major area of the United States is out there.
Instantly or as close to it as we can get, those looking to come here can find work in the area they would like to go, work they can do and advise them against just coming over.
Make deportation laws more stringent, and penalties for transporting them or hiring them, knowing they are illegals more financially demanding. Hit them where it hurts, in the wallet.
Illegals on visa's do not have SS# and those that do are guilty of ID theft as well those that supplied them the cards. 2nd degree felony 5-8 years and $ 1 million, in fines. Bada Bing Bada BOOM

What happens
Up until about a year ago, this country was experiencing a housing boom and the accompanying growth in infrastructure and sercices.

Now that the housing bubble has burst, and inventory is piling up, the need for immigrant labor(and don't fool yourselves - there has been a need)has all but vanished.

That means that now the illegals that remain in the US are actually competing with Americans for jobs, rather than filling positions necessary to accomodate the growth.

So, what happens to millions of unemployed illegals? They turn to social services and crime.
Ironically, there will be more employment opportunities in Mexico than the US in the near future. It's imperative that we cut ALL social services for illegals to give them an incentive to return to Mexico for work, and levy stiff fines for any employers in this country who use illegal labor that domestic workers now can fill.

good fences make good neighbors
Honestly, while the fence could prove to be largely symbolic, it is an important symbol. Presidente Jorge has put out a, "Bienvenido-- vamanos, amigos" sign down in Mexico. Cracking down on employers and real I.D. will be the REAL keys to causing attritive repatriation. It will not be easy to force the political will, even though 70%+ of Americans want the result. All we need to do is enforce EXISTING laws.

Pols do no just associate with prostitutes-- they ARE prostitutes. Many have been bought and paid for by the Reconquista lobby ilk, and mainly by the miscreant employer lobbies who bray the disingenuous crap about "America must have that cheap labor to do those jobs Americans won't do."
HOGWASH- Americans simply expect a living wage to do those jobs! when the govt. makes token show raids on meat plants, etc., Americans return to those jobs immediately. The above forces of evil are aided and abetted by the PC multicultural cabal, including the scandal-ridden Catholic Church trying to fill those vacant pews with better paying ILLEGALS (they make much more ILLEGALLY in America than in Mexico).

I agree with all comments
The federal gov't does not want to do anything to curtail illegal immigration or they would have already.

Nobody wants to become a Border Patrol agent because of the travesties of justice in the cases of Compean and Ramos and Hernandez, among others. Brave Border Patrol agents are being punished and are in jail for doing what they're supposed to do.

The government knows what needs to be done. One only needs to look at the new laws in Oklahoma and the fact that several hundred thousand illegals have fled there and the unemployment rate is dropping. Attrition through enforcement works and it works very well. That is why the SAVE Act, a wonderful piece of legislation, is being blocked by Pelosi, McCain, and other open borders/cheap labor advocates.

Jorge Arbusto...
...called the Minutemen "vigilantes" a few years ago. That should pretty much sum up his policy on border enforcement.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1370468/posts

And we know how McShamnesty feels. To paraphrase: "I'll build the G.D. fence...."

Ain't gonna happen folks. R.I.P. America.

Amnesty John still for Kennedy-Mcamnesty
Amnesty John has said recently that if Kennedy-McAmnesty came to his desk in the Oval Office, he would sign it. He has hired Smilin' Juan Hernandez as his Hispanic outreach guy-- how much MORE could Amnesty John reach out to ILLEGALS?! Fellow RINO open border amigo Amnesty Juan simply wants to continue what Presidente Jorge bush has been doing.

If you want to read a bit about the North American Union and the related Security and Prosperity Partnership, check out the Bush White House's own publication on some of it here below.

In 2004, while visiting in Mexico, RINO open border Presidente Jorge Bush surreptitiously committed America to send S.S. funds south to Mexico even for those who had worked here only as ILLEGAL aliens... this later stunned many in Congress when they learned about it. In early 2007, Jorge told them in Spanish down in Mexico that he would be working hard for THEM, Mexican citizens, to assure passage of Kennedy-McAmnesty here.

Anyone who brays about "conspiracy theorists" really needs only read a little bit to learn that there is no "theory" involved. Presidente Jorge has been hell-bent on effecting a North American Union. If you have liked NAFTA, perhaps you will love what they have surreptitiously planned for you and your doomed country. We don't need no stinkin' border!

Personally, I would rather have been asked to vote first on such agendas... so even would many in Congress.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/03/20050323-1. html
http://www.spp.gov/index.asp
http://www.libertygunrights.com/NAUFactSheet.pdf

opposition efforts:
http://www.numbersusa.com/index
http://www.grassfire.org/
http://www.grasstopsusa.com/
http://stopspp.com/stopspp/?page_id=11
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/
http://www.citizensunited.org/

Jorge Arbusto...
...the best president Mexico has ever had!

ILLEGALS and social service decimation
What about the fatuous, artful claim that ILLEGALS use social services at a lesser rate than citizens?

In theory, it is ILLEGAL for illegal aliens to receive welfare per se. Still, they overwhelm hospitals and schools, and overburden criminal justice, and the federal govt. REQUIRES that local service providers assist them without reimbursement. Then there is the issue of "anchor babies"... once an ILLEGAL alien madre can push out a nino on American soil, they can get in the welfare line.

More to the point, ANY resident who is uneducated and poor inexorably becomes a welfare burden on average, partly because today's advanced service economy America cannot provide them upward mobility when all they have to offer is manual labor. Heritage estimates that EACH household headed by the typical ignorant, indigent ILLEGAL alien will drain $1.4 MILLION more in govt. services than it ever pays in any form of taxes over a lifetime. This is aggravated further by clinging to a foreign language and culture.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/bg1936.cfm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/SR14es.cfm
http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigrati on_american_infrastructure.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265 &q=immigration

As even a liberal sociologist admitted recently, future drains by current ILLEGALS will prove to be, "the mother of all unfunded mandates." the libs do not care about this; they know that current ILLEGALS mean future voters and the permanent hegemony of the left as America morphs ineluctably into a third world welfare state.

Join the fight to stop this catastrophe... please see my earlier posts below to see how YOU can easily get engaged.

ILLEGAL aliens and crime
A little light reading about the "benefits" of all of that "cheap" labor... see my posts below about how YOU can get engaged to save America-- time is short! Get engaged!

Actually, ILLEGAL alien labor is VERY expensive when all-in socio-economic costs are considered (see post just below). Each ILLEGAL alien household headed by an undereducated, initially poor ILLEGAL alien will drain $1.4 million more in net govt. services used alone than it ever pays in taxes over a lifetime per the Heritage Foundation.

Some of the common mythology proffered as apologia for ILLEGALS is that they commit crimes at a lesser rate than legal residents. This is simply a lie, though Geraldo and Smilin' Juan Hernandez throw this out as gospel in the Hitler stratagem-- tell a big enough lie often enough and the gullible will begin to buy into it. A key reason some states have reversed sanctuary policies and giving them licenses is that crime waves permeated like the plague with the pervasion of ILLEGALS.

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/index.html
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51259
http://www.milnet.com/mex-nat.html
http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigrati on_crime_summary.html
http://www.adjunct.diodon349.com/Attack_on_USA/illegal_alie ns__du_murder_rape_terrorists.htm
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_ill egalsandcrime
http://newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty2.htm
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrat ionissuecenters0b9c
http://newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty306.htm

Average Legal Americans...
...are urinating in the wind. The deck is stacked against them.

1. The Real Estate Lobby needs millions of immigrants to fill those empty houses.

2. Construction, meat-packing, and agricultural industries want cheap labor.

3. Catholic Church wants to fill its empty pews.

4. Dems want the future votes.

5. Gov't needs to prop up the ponzi scheme called Social Security with new taxpayers.

6. Bush's buddy Mexican Prez Calderon needs to export its criminals and misfits to America.

The list is endless....

Don't just curse the darkness...
... get involved to save America! Middle Americans JUST LIKE YOU have stopped scamnesty so far, but it is an ongoing challenge against monied, powerful, organized special interests! As Mexifornia residents can attest, we risk losing America soon due to ILLEGAL alien voter fraud, the Reconquista agenda, and morphing ineluctably into a third world welfare state as they vote it in. The left is not waiting for them to become citizens-- why be bothered by that mere technicality?! They load them up in vans and hand them instructions in Espanol on how to vote. It is "40 acres and a mule/we're your friends" all over again.

Many RINOS/CINO'S are utter FOOLS to speak of capturing some of their votes because of purported "conservative social values." [What, pray tell, is "conservative" about wanton penchants toward crime, drugs, gangs, illegitimacies, ignorance/dropouts, barrio blight and balkanization, tax dodging, and identity fraud?!?!]

Legal, middle class Hispanics sometimes vote as conservatives, but ILLEGALS will vote 95:5 for entitlement government, thus soon inexorably morphing America irretrievably into a welfare state third world country, partly because they will insist that their myriad indigent, ignorant relatives all come here as well. Even a lib demographer has admitted that ILLEGAL immigration is the "the mother of all unfunded mandates for government largess."

If we do not stop ILLEGALS soon, it will be TOO LATE. Join the fight by rattling cages in Congress; you can reach them directly here at their official sites, or send targeted free e-mails via NumbersUSA... bookmark the sites, and get involved ASAP! America would be a terrible thing to lose... just look at Mexifornia. Time is precious!

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm
http://www.numbersusa.com/index

surreptitious machinations by Jorge etc.
The U.S.-Mexico Totalization Agreement... ever heard of it?

Most people have no knowledge whatsoever of the subterfuge played here to effect this... many in Congress were surprised by things that Presidente Jorge Bush committed to with his amigo Vicente Fox. Now the new president of Mexico is openly calling HERE for ILLEGAL aliens to protest in the streets for their "rights." Amnesty John has now retained Smilin' Juan Hernandez as his "Hispanic outreach" adviser-- how much more can Juan McQuisling reach out to ILLEGAL aliens?!

Did you wonder why the govt., in consort with a drug smuggler, went after border guards Campean and Ramos simply for doing their jobs? Because Presidente Jorge Bush wanted to influence the close Mexican election by assuring them that their wretched and ignorant would really be welcome here. While in Mexico in early 2007, Jorge promised them in Espanol to work to assure passage of scamnesty for THEM, Mexican citizens! Did you vote for Jorge Bush to represent Mexico?! Do you REALLY believe that Amnesty John has gotten America's message as he fatuously proclaims?

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back904.html
http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/totalization.htm
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/7/2/21483 4.shtml?s=lh
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2007/tst010807.htm
http://www.ssa.gov/pressoffice/factsheets/USandMexico.htm

border fence is intended to fail
Chertoff is a lib (he clerked for William Brennan) who Presidente Jorge appointed partly to short circuit border security efforts-- neither of them believes in the goal. He was instructed to drag his heels and goof it up as much as possible so they could say, "You see-- we tried, but it did not work." Whining about the cost is a farcical diversion-- we are squandering several billion a week down the rat hole in Iraq FOR NOTHING.

America CANNOT AFFORD this so-called "cheap labor," which actually benefits only the relative few miscreant employers-- a hotel room or head of lettuce is NO CHEAPER to the consumer as a result of ILLEGAL alien labor. When the feds make their "show raids" on miscreant employers such as meat processing plants, Americans (often the LEGAL American workers previously displaced) usually refill the jobs IMMEDIATELY. With unemployment rising and the economy sliding, Middle America is less likely to tolerate these open border/cheap labor charades artfully purported by RINOS, and "we need to treat these poor people with respect" drivel proffered by the PC left.

Just below are the official contact sites for Congress... a few clicks, and you can EASILY send e-mails. The bill that Joseph mentioned below is called the SAVE Act-- tell them you support it. Even easier--> NumbersUSA gives you FREE, prepared e-mails to send, and even targets your people in Congress for you. BOOKMARK THESE, and get engaged today! America would be a terrible thing to lose! Comprende, amigos?

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm
http://www.numbersusa.com/actionbuffet

LORAD
Isn't that the microwave cannon? This could easily work. They are mobile and stations could be set up randomnly so that illegals never know where they might be hit from. Move them around a lot. Once a few get zapped, word of mouth will take care of the rest.

Here's a recent endorsement...
...conversation between Bush and McCain:

Mac: Appreciate ya goin' to bat for me Dubya.

W: Us open-border amigos gotta stick together.

Mac: Well, you done a dang good job of foolin' those conservatives by pretending to build a virtual fence.

W: (yuck, yuck). Yeah, my compadres at Boeing hep'd me out. They built a "whole lot of nothing." You might say it's "a lot of hat and no cattle."

Mac: Pure genius, Dubya. Heck, for awhile there, even I was startin' to think you're a village idiot.

W: Hey, easy there pardner!

Mac: Just kiddin'. Kinda. Sorta.

W: John, I hear those dad-burn grass-roots conservatives just don't wanna donate to your campaign. Don't worry, I've got some fat-cat buds that'll be happy to throw money your way...20 dollars at a time of course. They love cheap labor. You just gotta keep our southern flank wide open when you become Prez.

Mac: Si, senor.

W: I'm a countin' on ya "Ace." Ya think you and amigo Juan Hernandez can do it?

Mac: Si se Puede!

Great LINKS too
Thanks Ricky for the word about his WND version.

There are also great LINKS to resources he mentions (and Newt suggests).

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=62753

IMBRA laws
The National Organization of Women have manipulated our legislators in order to pass a
number of state and Federal laws designed to regulate(prevent)foreign women from immigrating legallyto the USA for the purpose of marriage. Ironically the new IMBRA laws represent a sledge hammer approach to supposedly curb an "epidemic of violence" involving American men who marry foreign women.

The truth reveals the National Organization of Women used bogus facts to manufacture the so-called "epidemic". The new IMBRA romance law requires American men to submit to background checks before they can make contact (say hello) to a foreign lady if they use an International matchmaking service and additional background checks (performed against the American citizen - not the immigrant !!!) if they apply for a fiancee visa. They are just making it harder and harder for people to immigrate legally into the USA.

join NUMBERSUSA at www.numbersusa.com
Excellent article Chuck. I was beginning to worry about you when you endorsed McCain. He would not meet with Roy Beck from NUMBERSUSA even though Ron Paul, Mike Huckabee, and Mitt Romney not only met with Roy but they also signed the NUMBERSUSA pledge that they would support attrition thru enforcement. McCain was trying to ram 20 million illegals down our throat and then he does not even apologise and try to make amends. I do not trust him. Chuck, right now in congress there is a bill HR 4088 authored by Heath Shuler which go go along way toward removing illegals from America over a period of time by denying them employment. We need your help. Write about this bill. Give it publicity.
Press McCain on this issue when you meet him. It is rumored that McCain is putting the brakes on this bill with house republicans .We need a moratorium on immigration period.

EXTRA Norris material at WND
His exclusive column version this week at World Net Daily has some great extra material in it. Well worth the read...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=62753

ANOTHER great article Chuck! Thanks for joining us in the culture wars!

Imigration laws
Check out my blog at http://happyjake.blogtownhall.com for an interesting look at Mexican imigration law.

Ever hear of LORAD?
LOng Range Active Deterrent. This device causes people to feel like they having every tooth in their heads drilled at once while hitting all the nerves. It worked VERY well against armed and determined pirates off the coast of Africa.

They can set up a lot of automatic ones with central control. A few operators with night vision cameras and joysticks can sweep large sections of the border and "greet" the illegals as they attempt to cross. A few more can be randomly located at different spots each night in case they try to map out the fixed ones.

No real physical harm done and few if any would try to tough it out and march through the "invisible Fence".

-Ray
NRA Life Member

Good sense from a sensible man
Mr. Norris's observations are spot-on, and his suggestions are all good ones. That's why none of them will ever be implemented.

It becomes increasingly my conviction that the natural dynamic of government and incentives of government employees -- http://www.eternityroad.info/index.php/weblog/single/the_t hreat_and_the_state/ -- swiftly override whatever ethic of public service its new entrants, whether elected, appointed, or hired, bring to the corridors of power. Turning out the old rascals merely makes places for new ones.

"At each election we vote in a new set of politicians, insanely assuming that they are better than the set turned out. And at each election we are, as they say in Motherland, done in." -- H. L. Mencken


It took 50 years.....
....for what began as supposedly a "free trade" agreement between European countries to mature into it's intended result....the European Union. To circumvent the last obstacle to ending individual european country's sovereignity (people would not vote for the passage of the European Union constitution) they simply took approval away from the people and each country now has a small group of non-elected "representatives" who will decide the matter. But this too is a scam. The unelected "representatives" already report to a single "Head of the European Union" and their currencies have already been replaced by the Euro so the final goal is already in place.

NAFTA was was implemented in the mid 90's? I am sure they learned a few things in setting up the EU so the NAU should be complete by 2020. Look at the similarities between how the EU came to exist and what is currently occuring here.

Hey Chuck
Lets all wake up to the fact this government has no intention to stop illegal immigration.

Please do not think this problem is still very much the problem it is due to government incompetence.
Its intentional, and it has an agenda.

They want the people to believe they are just stupid, dumb, as they go on with their plans to allow millions more in here too.

Think not?
Ok, watch and see.

We have a criminal administration today that does not intend to enforce the laws on immigration or false identity papers.
Or to jail the businessmen who hire these people, knowing it is illegal.

I am sick of all of us dancing around this very blatant fact, and asking us to write more letters.
Ha, if they do not know already how we all feel, then they will never know.

They will never build the fence, and if one is built, it will not stop a coyote, let alone a human.

But Bush does believe fences work he has aided Egypt to build one for Gaza to keep out Palestinian Arabs from Egypt, as he will not build one here.

Open your eyes Chuck, there is not going to be a fence built here, even if it is law to build it.

No Fence
We really do not need a fence. All we need is to go after those who employ and house the aliens. Take away any social services and make English official as our language.

Side note (Talking about Illegal "Aliens" and area 51 all in the same story!)

If we take away their reason to be here, they will self deport. Its not a race thing but its a soverty thing. The very existence of our Republic is at stake and there is not a greater issue facing us today than that of Illegal Immigration.

Mr. Norris said,
"The Homeland Security Department still is trying to fill last year's 138 vacancies in high-level jobs"

and Ramos and Compean sit in jail for doing their job! As to what has happened to Sheriff Gilbert Hernandez, I don't know. It is despicable on the part of our government that these men were ever penalized and made criminals in the first place.

Chuck, this is a great article. I did get slightly ticked when you mentioned Newt Gingrich though. Are these ideas from when he WAS a conservative? They sure don't sound like the latest Newt ("man sitting on the couch with Pelosi" global warming bs ad he participated in!)

FairTax helps solve Illegal Immigration
Passage of the FairTax would have all within our lands contributing to the tax system. Those here illegally, though, will not be able to take part in a significant provision of the FairTax - the tax prebate provision. This will have the effect of illegals paying more into the tax system relative consumption than those here legally.

Go to http://www.fairtax.org for many other benefits of the FairTax.

Peace,

YK
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