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Tuesday, April 15, 2008
Chuck Norris :: Townhall.com Columnist
Terminating Teenage Violent Crime
by Chuck Norris
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Who wasn't disgusted this past week by the senseless beating of a Florida teenage girl by six other teenage girls? Or disgusted by a polygamist compound's mistreatment of young girls in western Texas? And dismayed by the Baltimore teacher who was knocked to the ground and beaten by a student while a fellow classmate videotaped the episode on her cell phone and others cheered?

Just as I was turning away (again) in disgust from America's awry juvenile daily news, I found myself a constituent of it, when two New Jersey teens were arrested after a teacher found a hit list that contained my name. When I first read the report, my instinct was to say nothing. I didn't want to risk exacerbating the situation. As the story spread nationally then internationally, however, I quickly realized silence was not the best course of action. This type of behavior is exactly the warning sign we have trivialized or ignored for far too long, emanating from a growing at-risk population of young people in this country.

The Columbine High School shooting still stands as a prime example of at-risk youth making a statement in a devastating way. More recent evidence poured out from the Savannah Morning News, which reported, "A 2007 analysis by the (Georgia) state Department of Public Safety showed a 171 percent increase in the arrests of juveniles for violent crimes since 1976, along with a 104 percent increase for robberies and 224 percent for aggravated assault." And we all know too well about school shootings. I've counted at least 14 different murderous gun sprees at colleges or universities just since 2000, resulting in at least 60 fatalities and dozens more being wounded.

I remember when I was in high school in the 1950s. There were gangs and racial injustice even then, however I never could have imagined the moral and civil anarchy among our youth today. So many have weapons and vehemently assault peers and adults. Why is this happening? It's either because the youths know they can get away with it or they just don't care! We have turned into a society of permissiveness and apathy.

Young people know teachers have no real authority over them and no support from their administrations. If a teacher tries to instill discipline in the classroom, it is disregarded by the students because they know the teacher cannot enforce it. A great example is the teacher in Baltimore who tried to get the student to sit down in class. And what happened when she did? She was beaten up! Until students know they cannot get away with this kind of behavior, classrooms will continue to grow more out of control.

The timing couldn't be better for the countrywide recognition of National Crime Victims' Rights Week (April 13-19). The program was established in 1981 by President Ronald Reagan to support victims of violent crimes. Contact your Chamber of Commerce to see how your community is commemorating this event.

Like with most social ills, however, the key to curbing crime is not more government spending and involvement. When will we learn "they" are not the answer? We are!

In today's world, each American must be vigilant against crime. We must have a zero tolerance for our volatility to violence. We must crack down and quit condoning cruel behavior. We also must be willing to reach out to those lost souls who feel marginalized and disenfranchised by the world around them, including those New Jersey students who included me on their hit list. My hope is that, should there be substance to these charges, we will not distance ourselves from these young men, but embrace them and give them the help they need to get on the right path.

Investing in youth is what we have been doing for more than a decade with my KICK START program (www.kick-start.org), which began in Houston by teaching martial arts to 150 at-risk children as part of the physical education curriculum. Since that time, our program, which instills discipline and respect and raises self-esteem, has grown to serve more than 6,000 youngsters year round at 37 schools in Dallas and Houston. To date, KICK START has graduated more than 50,000 students, with many going on to college and becoming successful in their own right.

I conclude by challenging all of us to be like my good friend Darrell Scott after his 17-year-old daughter, Rachel, became the first of 13 people killed at the Columbine High School shooting April 20, 1999, by two fellow students. Instead of sinking into a deep hopeless despair, Darrell formed "Rachel's Challenge," which focuses on helping students recognize their purposes in life. I would encourage you to check out their Web site at www.rachelschallenge.com. Darrell believes as strongly as I do in those great words from Edmund Burke, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Darrel wrote a poem that perfectly describes the problems we face and provides the answer for those courageous enough to believe:

"Your laws ignore our deepest needs
Your words are empty air
You've stripped our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question, 'Why?'
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed,
And you fail to understand
That God is what we need!"

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Way to go Chuck!
So glad you've joined TH. I not only appreciate your wisdom, but positive approach to life and problems. You just don't criticize a process--you help to find ways out of the hole. God bless you Mr. Norris. Thanks for not abandoning the culture war.

EXTRA Norris material at WND
I appreciated your extra material and links to great resources in your exclusive column at World Net Daily: http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=614 86

WELL WORTH the extra read!

Get ready for the loons!
I can hear their laughing cry now. You just mentioned God. Libtards will now flock like pigeons in a park and show the same respect for religion that the birds shower on statues.

-Ray

On the money!!!!
We have decided our children cannot control themselves in any way, and we give them all sorts of birth control so they can just react with the basest instinct, and with no self respect. We certainly do not want them to learn about God, and jsut as bad is taking responsibility, it has to be someone else's fault. Then we sit and wonder what has happened to our young people and our country.

I don't think so
"Young people know teachers have no real authority over them and no support from their administrations. If a teacher tries to instill discipline in the classroom, it is disregarded by the students because they know the teacher cannot enforce it."

Some schools do allow far too much funny stuff from bad kids, but most can and do kick out the bad ones or send them to continuation school.

Bring Back Consequences
There is so much violence in movies, TV and in video games, and yet, in the home parent's can't even spank their own children if they get out of line.

No, I'm not advocating violence in the home, not at all, but parents walk on egg shells around their unruly children who only are encouraged to push the limits knowing full well nothing can be done to them.

When I was a kid, I FEARED upsetting my parents. Not because they would hit me if I got out of hand, but because I knew they COULD. There were no social services or 911 for me to call, or some liberal lawyer, who would come to my rescue if I was spanked for being delinquent.

Time outs, taking away a toy, trying to "reason" with positive words to a kid who is violent does not solve anything.

Let parents be parents again. Let teachers control their classroom again. The soft talk and the pill approach isn't working, obviously.

Ending Teenage Violence...........
Chuck; that is a great idea and I am fully for it. I find that our youth have become the `villages' response ablity. This act that was shown on Utube and the news shows the influence AFRICAN-american culture has impacted on our nation. While Black Americans have values and traditions comperable to ours, AFRICAN-american are in the same boat as White trash. Useless degrading and vile breding grounds for contempt.
These girls are from well off families, why. Some mindless dirty jobs pay big bucks and the wealthy would rather pay them than middle class wages for the majority of good citizens. Thus what was on the screen and the trouble with our youth is directly related to the wrong path our Party has been leading us down since Reagan. The greedy supporters of our Party have distroyed the moral fabric of the nation. The influencial poor rich. Say what??
Poorly educated, trained in manorism, and just trash with a big pay check. Anyone can make money, only people with inherant class and moral fortitude can arise out of the economic chasm they are living in and act respectable and polite.

What this world needs.....
Since courts have ruled that the importance of a father is purely monetary we should have classes that teach not only self-respect for oneself but respect for each other and their belongings.
Since many mothers are in the workforce, schools should offer values classes. Since weekends are now spent getting the work done that could not be accomplished during the week there is little or no family time to teach morals.
The figures reported above reflect also with the time corporal punishment was removed from public schools. Policies of "loving your students and children and they will love you back" is proven wrong repeatedly.
A generation has now gone through school without much parental supervision, discipline, involvement, or guidance. Is anyone really surprised by the results?

Good column!
It begs the question though....


Is anyone parenting anymore?

I don't understand the "At Risk"...
....label Mr. Norris has put on these kids that are doing these violent acts? Can anyone please explain? I, personally, think they are mostly just spoiled brats that have always been "allowed" to get away with any actions they so desire to commit. Reason, no one cares.

I used to substitute teach on occasion and for some reason I was often assigned the "In House Suspension" room. Always eight to ten (sometimes more) high schoolers (both sexes). Early on I had a problem and had to move a cubicle to a different location within the room and to my surprise, virtually every kid in there was aligned against me. They even thought they could make me change things back by saying that the cubicle now blocked their escape from the room in case of a fire or other emergency (it, in fact, didn't even come close to the door). I immediately shushed them all and told them(looking them all directly in their eyes) that if there would happen to be such an emergency that I WOULD get them out of that room to safety or I would die trying. Long story short, they to a person acted as if, for the first time in their lives, someone cared enough about them to declare that they were worth something (i.e. my life). I never had another problem with them or any other group I would, over time, supervise in that room.

End part I of "No one Cares"

TBC ~:>{)

No One Cares pt. II.......
Mr. Norris has it exactly right in his "Kick Start" program. These young people need to know that someone cares and that there are rules to life that all must follow.

So many young people are growing up in a vacuum and their lives are untouched by anyone -- including their parents. I am 100% certain that their parents cared about them as much as any parent anywhere in the world cares about their children. I am also 100% certain that too many parents not only don't know how to instill discipline at home, they equally do not know how to express their love for their children. "Kick Start" can only accommodate so many people; educating the parents into the right kind of "TOUGH LOVE" is an approach that could be just as effective and can reach many thousands of homes. However, "TOUGH LOVE" must be understood to sometimes include corporal punishment (i.e. -- spare the rod, spoil the child).

I've rambled enough

TBC ~:>{)

cameras are the only answer
In this age of uncontrolled liberalism in the courts and classroom, corporal punishment (often the only thing young animals/humans understand)will be allowed only with rock solid evidence of unreasonable violent action by the student.

Cameras are the only answer.

The mindless soccer mom who defends every rotten thing her darling little no neck monsters do, with an insane passion, will have to shut the @#$%^ up and sit her nasty @$$ down and quit allowing her brats to ruin our society.

This will also tend to shut up mouthy liberal teachers who spout Marxist $#!t to our children every day. People decry this trend in our society towards remote observation but since we have culturally slide so far down the slippery slope to this state of approaching anarchy, hard core answers are the only thing that will save us.

There is no lack of humans on this planet, we will get by just fine with a percentage of our population locked up PERMANENTLY acting as a good example of what the rest of us will do to you if you act violent for ANY other reason then defense.
One of the ways lawyers get their scum...err clients off is to throw doubts about the evidence at the jury, with a recording, there are not doubts to muddy the waters and REALLY tough sentences can be given with an easy conscience that an innocent wasn't punished.

Children that are so messed up that they will do this type of thing will do worse as adults, like murder OR BTK freaky stuff.
In my opinion our society would be better off letting the 1.5 million pot smokers out of prison so we can encarcerate PERMANANTLY any and ALL who get caught acting this sadisticaly violent.

Mr. Norris is a real bright spot in this whole mess, glad you're with us Mr. Norris, bless you!

Parents, Not Pals
The Generation Whiners who want their childrens' friends to think they are "Hot" -- and who want to be their daughters' giggly GF instead of The Meanest Mother In The Universe, are 90% of the problem.

The Murmuring Daddies are the other 10% -- those limp noodles who allow their children to rampage unchecked while they Murmur about "making bad choices" and "how our decisions impact on others" while the brat plays them like a fish. I was seated next to one of these monsters on the subway going home a couple of weeks ago. Finally the kid let out a screech (obviously a well honed weapon) that hit the exact pitch of a Formula One car in full song on the front straight at Monza, that went through my head like a bullet. I looked at Murmuring Daddy, who was standing and Murmuring to his child who demanded that Daddy let him sit on Daddy's shoulders (hence the tantrum) and said "He is very lucky he is not my child or he would be looking up from the floor of this car right about now." Daddy Murmured, "He's only a child..." I said no more because my stop was coming up, and likely it is a good thing. But I predict that Murmuring Daddy will snap one of these days and beat that child to death, and nobody over 50 will be surprised.

Until Hottie Mama and Murmuring Daddy realize that they and their brat do not live alone on Planet Earth, this upcoming generation will continue until vigilante justice prevails and once again the next door neighbour can backhand Junior across the mouth and when Junior runs home to tattle, Daddy will whip his backside good.

That is absolutely all these delinquents (not "At Risk Youth") need.

Rivenburg
More Big Brother is not what we need. What is needed is parents to do their job. Figure out a way to do that and most of the problem will be gone. Take for instance when I was a kid,I could go down the block and do something wrong and word of it would get to my dad before I ever got home. He would be waiting at the door for me. I never got in any major trouble because of that. I raised my kids the same way except for the messages as now only 10% of the people in the neighborhood know she's my kid. I still made sure to know where my kid was at all times. now days, people pitch their kids out the door and tell them not to be late for supper and for the next 5-7 hours don't know where their kids are. That's pure unadulterated bullsh..! If their kid was kidnapped they wouldn't know for that time and the kidnapper could already be in any state he wanted. You have to take responsibility for your kids and love them enough to care what they are doing and punish them when what they do is wrong.

to eastlake Joe, I don't like it either
Joe,
Your hearts in the right place but your sense of reality is missing.

I'm not talking about what should be, I'm talking about reality. This country is one third people like us who DO control their children THE WAY I WANT TO DESPITE THE LIBERAL LAWS & COURTS.

If my children EVER call the law on me, they better have another place to live permanently.
Frankly, they wouldn't dare even though they average about one/two spankings in their entire life so far. My children are well behaved by THEIR choice since they are well raised.

Another third of this country is mindless liberals that follow the Dr Spock school of mindless idiocy EVEN THOUGH DR SPOCK RECANTED EVERYTHING HE EVER WROTE in that vein and apologized for the damage he had done to western culture.

The other third are mindless fence sitters that go with the flow no matter the cost to them or society, they are the most useless load of protoplasm ever to gulp air.


We authoritarian types are out-numbered by the traitors and idiots, there will be NO reversal to earlier forms of American culture, there is NO going back, only forward to new culture based on our new technology and it's cheap surveillance techniques. Once the car was invented and sold, the old days of paternal control was over and we never went back, we will not likely go back from these days of electronic high tech.

"AT RISK"... NOT saying...
"At risk" NOT saying these youth are not to blame. It is simply a term that is (neutrally) saying there are contributors in their life that aid them in leaning toward violent crime, drug use, other illegal behavior, etc. Norris is using it correctly. You can read more about "at risk" and who/what contributes to it at http://www.at-risk.org/whois-atrisk.html

AudiR10
My militant leftist sister is a Hottie Momma. She's 48 and on the Paris Hilton plan of drunkeness, clubbing, and wearing things that one just shouldn't unless they were in the middle of a rectal exam.

My nephew, her son, was never given boundaries.

Even starting at the age of 2, she was of the opinion not to punish him for bad behavior, tantrums, back talking, what have you. He developed into a complete out of control smart*ss who respects no one, and has no ideals of who may deserve to be treated with respect: like your grandparents, your neighbors, your teachers, etc...

She also believed that if he wants to experiment with smoking and drugs, because she used it all the time and it was too hard to hide it from the curious little tike, she would let him do it, so as long as he was in the house. He turned into a pot head.

My nephew just turned 16 a month ago, started to drive and has already been arrested twice. Once for disturbing the peace and possession of pot, the other, a DUI and crashing into a fence.

Of course, my Hottie Sister believes her darling son is blameless and it's the polices' fault.

Yep, we have bad parents out there and unforunately, the good ones aren't able to discipline them like we were as kids.

I'm not
dreaming, there is a school of thought ,and I believe it very strongly, that says kids want to be corrected when they do wrong. They want to know, in their hearts that you love them enough to see that they grow up properly and with-in the laws. My dad was strict with me beyond belief, but I loved him without exception. My youngest is in high school and going to college part time and getting very good grades. I haven't had to punish her since she was 9 or 10 and I'm very proud to say I'm her father.

Shells
as one parent to another I'm so sorry your nephew is pretty much a lost cause. Our middle son is, in spite of all we could and tried to do for him, in the "loser" category as well, refusing to attend school and basically conform to authority in any form. He no longer lives here (but at 20, thank goodness we need no longer be responsible though of course we are worried) It hurts, because we've tried. Our other three, however, are on the way to becoming good and productive citizens. It isn't always due to parents' neglect that kids turn out the way you hoped they wouldn't.Sometimes it just happens.

OTOH, we knew a boy whose parents divorced, mother is a basket case (I've known her since middle school myself-she was the pretty popular one who unfortunately has turned out to be a total flake), father is married to another and this kid fell through the cracks. We did what we could to show him that not all families are crack-ups by including him whenever possible in our family activities.

Now, however, he is in jail facing first-degree murder charges for a DUI accident that knocked a woman's car through an intersection, killing her. He ran. And all we can do is hurt for him too,because nobody cared. Thoroughly drunk at 10 in the morning when this happened, you wonder how much he is hurting that looking at the bottom of a bottle is the only way to stop the pain.

AudiR10
You hit the nail on the head with the "Hottie Mama and Murmuring Daddy" stuff!!! (I'm not sure about the back handing bit though.) I was a very well behaved child, not because I feared my parents but because I respected them and NEVER wanted to disappoint them.
Also...It's so nauseating to see 30 & 40 something soccer moms clinging with their well manicured claws to any last ounce of youth. Desperation is UGLY no matter how much silicone and make-up you put on it!
And Dads of America...YOU had better WAKE UP! The core of all this distruction is because there is no male leadership in the family any more.

Answer?
I don't know what the answer is. Those of us who parent our children don't need or want the leftist village to interfere. However, the kids belonging to the many parents who DON'T parent their children need the village to do it for them.

AliveinHim, Shells: you are right on the money. Sometimes you can't control a kid, no matter what you do, even when you consistently teach and discipline. But there are few kids who will make it when you don't try at all.

My brother-in-law is far right, retired military who never disciplined his son. He and the mother divorced before my nephew was even born. He had issues from a very young age, undisciplined, rude, selfish, etc. A very obnoxious kid. He started getting into serious trouble in high school, when his parents gave up dealing with him all together. He turns 21 this month and just got out of a 30 day stink in the local jail because he didn't follow through on his vandalism probation. He has to start his 2 year probation over and if he messes up at all, he goes to Canon City for 2-6 years. His parents haven't lived in the same state that he does for several years. Very sad. It's obvious that they don't really care about him.

It all comes down to the parents.

What they teach!
We have spent countless dollars on a school system that tells our kids that they are nothing but animals.
Anyone surprised?

Buzzard
"Special" animals.

AliveInHim
Thank you for sharing with me. It's true, sometimes parents can try their absolute best and do the right thing, and yet some children will still stray from the straight and narrow.

You know, I'm sure my parents when I was 16-22, thought I was a lost cause. I wasn't a mean spirited person, I just made selfish choices in life, and dealt with the consequences for it later.

It took me awhile, but in all, I grew up. I realized my "friends" were bringing me down, I became responsible, and here I am, a 40 year old with a very happy, stable and content life. I've been this way since I turned 29...

What I'm trying to say, the same can happen with your son, trust me. One day, hopefully, he will wake up and realize that fun and games aren't all fun and games. Also, acting beligerant towards others isn't very attractive as an adult nor will it gain any favors in life. He might just grow up, don't give up hope.

As for my nephew...sigh...If he got into Auntie Shells hands, I'd be shaving his head and sending him off to the military!!!

LL
Quite true, it does all come down to the parents. While I was reading about your nephew, I had to wonder if we shared the same one!!!

I'm sorry to hear of his troubles, and it looks like the road is paved for him, and he's laying his own bricks down.

Things could change, you never know.

LL, Shells
Thank you so much for the kind words. It's always the hope that your erring child will turn it around, I hear so many stories from my own peers (and in fact "turned it around" myself at a young age, tho I never got deeply into anything, pretty much just playing around) that I have to believe God means what He says when He tells us to "train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it". Key word here is "old". Not necessarily 21, obviously! ;)

LL, I see your nephew is here in Colorado, where I live. The young man I'd mentioned in my earlier post WILL be going there. And while it is just heartbreaking for all, there is yet the hope that even in prison someone will bring him the Good News. I hope the same holds for your nephew *before* he winds up in the big house.

Everyone wants to be famous now
Everyone wants to be famous now - TV and the Internet have morphed into a sort of false god that is nearly omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient. Everyone wants to make their mark and to be known and adored if not loved. But if fame and fortune is sought before and above all else - how is that any different than simple self-glorification and pride run amuck? Should we be surprised or offended by what kind of behavior is produced from such pursuit? Or by the kind of "kingdom" that is created when people are affirmed (and thus in a sense justified) for the extremity of their behavior by being made famous for it?

The best punishment would be to deny the perp(s) all access to the media - no interviews, no TV or book deals, no nothing, except some serious jail time and a life of anonymity and insignificance.

Who paid the bail for the ring leader of this outrageous violence? Why? For the exclusive interview rights?!? I think it was Dr Phil. He should be ashamed and America should be outraged enough to make him a pariah. If Don Imus could be taken off the air, then so should Dr. Phil.



Reasoning
Trying to reason with kids is like trying to herd cats; it ain't gonna happen! Kids have trouble thinking and reason is something you develop as adults. Reason to a kid is trying to figure out how to do something you know is wrong without getting caught. It isn't a mode of thought. The kids planning to attack their teacher were "reasoning" by their own definition. So when someone says "all you need to do is reason with the kids to teach them right from wrong," it can't be done. They can be controlled by terror - not of what you do but of what can be done. And right now there isn't anything that can be done thanks to a lot of people who believe punishment is more wrong than any crime.

The Black Cherokee
In answer to your questions about "At Risk" children - these aren't the ones committing the crimes. They are the ones in slum areas around those who do commit crimes. Mr. Norris gets them before they turn to crime to teach them a better way of life.

Shells
I think you may have hit the nail on the head with what "Auntie Shells " would do if in her hands. If these kids get in trouble more than once or hard crime, send them to a good boot camp that will teach them the right from wrong and at the same time watch over the commanders so they can't molest them or blatently harm them in any way and I think a lot of them would straighten them up. Heck, put it into law. At least that way, they won't be running the streets. While you are at it, give them a proper education so they can learn a trade. this is better than filling up the jails with them and if it saves 50 kids in each state then it's a success, as that would be that many that wouldn't turn to adult crime and go to jail for the better part of their life.

The answer to many
of these ills is to keep leftist ideas out of public policy. I wonder which ideals the parents of these kids subscribe to?

Teen Violence
Excellant column Chuck, teacher's were rendered powerless a long time ago, I think it was around the same time little Johnny got his first beeper, and the teacher alluded to young John to turn it off while the class was engaged in morning prayer, Oh! that's gone too. Anyway little Johnny felt slighted or "dissed" that the teacher was way, way out of line for making young John turn off his beeper, so little Johnny, before taking his daily dose of ritalin calls mommy and tells her the teacher is picking on him, mommy comes to the school and gets to yelling in the teacher's face in front of young John and the entire school system and all the while mentioning the word "LAWSUIT". At which point the teacher's union representative urges the teacher to apologise to little Johnny and his mommy in front of the entire student body and the Board of Education, thus teaching young John and all the students a valuable lesson that whenever a beeper or cell phone rings in a classroom the teacher better shut the F**k up.
However, for some mysterious reason our teens are lagging behind other countries-some of them under-developed in math, science, reading and writing.
Then again, we do have excellant "RAPPERS".

Shells
The only memory I have of spanking my two older children was when I checked on them and found them on the other side of our residential street.

Just a two block street, not alot of traffic, BUT they knew they were not allowed to cross it at ages 4 and 5.

I paddled the behinds of both of them as I brought them back home. Obviously, the street was off-bounds for them because I valued their safety.

I don't think "time-outs" were even heard of then. A justified smack on the rear when called for makes good sense to me. Not "beatings".

45caliber
"They can be controlled by terror..."

As harsh as it may sound, that's what is missing in so many families today. Wishy-washy parents have bought into the misguided idea that junior and his siblings have the right to "express" themselves. Apparently to do otherwise will damage their little psyches.

When these overbearing children end up not being liked by anyone else, the parents may be clueless as to why. Certainly THEY didn't do anything wrong!

For years I lived next door to a couple and enjoyed a good relationship. When their children and ours reached the teen years, our attitudes on bringing up children made it difficult for me.

To keep it short, they didn't have the good sense to control their kids. The oldest died of cancer at 25 (not their fault, of course) and another was shot and paralyzed (drug involvement), and died a few years later at 25. The father of the family died in prison, etc., etc. Long, sad story.

Children need love AND discipline. With both, they know their parents (guardians) truly care about them.


Harmony
I agree. They do need love and discipline. My wife was convinced that there was no need to discipline if the kids were only sent to their room (with books, television, toys, etc.). I was gone on a job for some months and the oldest ran wild. She finally spanked him and everything straigthtened up - because he didn't know where his boundaries were until then. He's thirty four now and agrees that she did the right thing.

45caliber
Your's is not an isolated experience. Mothers, moreso in past years, spent way more time with the children than dads.

If they didn't discipline their children when necessary, the dads had to become the "bad" guys or just suffer the results.

The backgrounds of each parent affect how they will bring up their own children. I've witnessed in-laws in my family who suffered tough childhoods. They have been too easy on their own kids. (Yet we've all heard the opposite, too.)

My brothers' wives had tough home lives and were, I think, too soft on their kids.

My brothers grew up in a "normal" home and they wouldn't put up with any nonsense. BUT, they were at work all day.

I, a mother, was the disciplinarian in the home. My husband's parents divorced and his life was no picnic. Maybe that's why he could not bring himself to be tough on his kids when they needed it.

At times he'd tell me I was too harsh. Maybe at times I was, but I was never cruel. They were gifts to me and when they were old enough, I talked to them, ezplained things to them, and, importantly, I listened to them.

On a lighter note, I recall the days when I would hear "Mommy, this" or "Mommy, that" so many times that at some point I said, "Just call me Joanne!" Well, now I'm "Mom" to my children who are married with homes and families of their own.

Maybe, today, I would enjoy having my little kids back again, even with the constant "Mommy".

Teen Violence
Teen agers today are out of control and they learn in elementary school to be violent to other children, especially if they teacher doesn't like a particular kid and talks mean to them and actually encourages the other students to be mean to that child. I didn't believe how bad school were until my three children went to school and I saw it first hand. My children are all grown now. I am thankful that they have not been involved where there are school shooting. Chuck Norris, I am glad you spoke out against this type of activity and, the reason why you were on the hit list was probably because, you are against this type of activity, and do good things for teenagers. Barbara Hunt

Way to Aproach Kids
Glad you joined townhall. Spare the rod , spoil the child . But that doesn't work. trying to help them become productive members of society does. But we as a society must realize that even we cannot change an evil person . What works best is God . We have let the Gov. take God out of everything good in America . The supreme court , a group of old men that interpret the constitution the way they want to , not the way it is written . While the congress is trying to get more power for a political party an cares nothing for the people they represent . The taxes are to high . People just don't care about someone else's kids . We spend to much money on trying to teach kids and they are laughing at us . What we need is a Fair Tax System that all public schools receive the same amount of money or give the schools back to the local people an get rid of the dept of stupidy . Helping someone is a noble and fine thing but some people you just can't help . You don't have to be trained to be stupid . But the Law Must Be Enforced as long as it makes sense .

Karate for teachers

I think establishing a program to teach the teachers martial arts- giving them more athority and giving the students knowledge that the teacher IS in charge.

As for kick-start, it is a wonderful program- an outlet for the kids taking part in it and in teaching them to be more respectful. I am a student in Mr. Norris's karate style (chun-kuk-do) and hope to teach in kick-start one day.

Thank you for the wonderful article and God bless!
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