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Tuesday, January 29, 2008
Chuck Norris :: Townhall.com Columnist
Presidential Buyer's Remorse
by Chuck Norris
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This past week, investors experienced a sizable economic tremor as Wall Street's fortress shook. From a Dow that dropped more than 200 points in the first 10 minutes of trading to the Federal Reserve's biggest "emergency" slash of interest rates in a quarter of a century, even the experts are confused as to whether these are signs of an unhealthy economy or birth pains of an American recession.

Just as fluctuating and fickle is this presidential election. With political surges, primary bypasses, midstream startups and blended politics, there are still no clear front-runners in either party. Super Tuesday is on the horizon, and most people still are speculating about who is leading the pack.

Speaking of presidential ebbs and flows, I believe many are suffering now from a type of presidential buyer's remorse. On the one hand, I commend those who stuck their necks out early on in favor of a candidate's platform, values or principles over another's. (There are still far too many who wait in hiding for a clear leader out of fear of being aligned with a loser.) On the other hand, I'm sure many are now silently sorry that they've backed certain presidential hopefuls because of new revelations or reactions on the campaign trail.

The bases for political remorse are varied:

-- Realizing that all the Democratic candidates would raise taxes, expand big government oversight and waste, and increase national security risks by reducing roles of the military.

-- Discovering Rudy Giuliani wouldn't start his primary political engine until Florida, ignoring early and minor states and so sending a noncommittal and undervaluing message to Middle America.

-- Awakening to the reality that Mitt Romney has and will flip-flop on issues more than International House of Pancakes turns pancakes.

-- Learning, as David Limbaugh and Pat Buchanan noted this week, that John McCain is respectfully not a full-fledged conservative.

Of course, it's never too late to change your mind before casting your actual vote. But then again, pride is often a formidable foe to overcome on the way to the booth.

When I backed Mike Huckabee for president, I didn't do so because he was a front-runner, could beat Hillary, had lots of money, or because his presidency would advance my humanitarian efforts or increase my pocketbook. I endorsed him because I agree with his platform, trust in his integrity, relate with his poor upbringing and support for average citizens, value his 11 years of service as governor of Arkansas, and believe in his vision for a better America.

I want Mike to win -- the nomination then the presidency. But whether he wins or is offered the position of vice president or a position in the cabinet, my wife, Gena, and I can sleep at night and move forward into the future because we've lived true to our convictions, principles and beliefs. We cannot experience buyer's remorse with Mike Huckabee because we know, win or lose, he could lead our nation into a better and prosperous tomorrow. And he will continue to do so, as he has done for the past 20 years, whether he's the president or not.

This past week, news agencies reported how some of the presidential candidates' campaigns are running into financial hardships. Huckabee even grounded press airplanes and asked staff to assume volunteer positions. While many have interpreted those as signs of Mike's demise, I see them differently. They are sureties of his stewardship. He's being fiscally frugal as he always has been in office.

Mike has arisen as a front-runner from obscurity on a shoestring budget, being outspent by his rivals by at least a 10-1 ratio, proving it's his message, not money, that matters. He doesn't have a personal account of multimillions like Romney, nor does he think it's good stewardship, like McCain, to borrow what one doesn't have to gain what one might not win.

For Mike, handling campaign finances is a microcosm of managing the national budget. If he doesn't have the money, he's not going to spend it. He has made this commitment on a number of occasions, and he lived up to it in his gubernatorial service in Arkansas, bringing in a balanced budget for 12 straight years and ending his term with a surplus of $844.5 million.

I ask again: Are those not the types of figures we want to see at the bottom lines from the future executive fiscal leadership of America?

Mike is a leader we all can trust and financially back, and he will be a president with whom this nation will not experience buyer's remorse.

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Huckabee Record
Gov Huckabee inherited a $200+ million deficit, raised taxes by $500 million (over 10 years), upgraded roads, improved schools, and left with a $850 million surplus.

Gov Huckabee advocated *eligibility* for the children of illegal aliens for a scholarship. If it had passed it would not have denied money to the children of US Citizens - whoever qualified would have received the money. It didn't pass. This is interpreted by some to establish his 'open borders' position - uh, yeah... they're exactly the same. NOT.


Romney Record (Cont'd)
During 4 yrs as Mass. Gov, job growth was 0.5% while the national average was 5.5%

Manufacturing employment suffered a 12% loss under Romney - more than double the national average.

Real output in the US grew by 13% between 2002 and 2006, under Romney Mass. only grew 9%.

Manufacturing employment under Romney fell 14% (48th in the US) while the decline nationally was 7%.

So... how is Romney's economic prowess going to help our country?

Romney Record
2003 - Refused to endorse Bush tax cuts
2003 - Open to a federal gas tax hike
2004 - $259M in fee hikes
2004 - $128M in 'so-called tax loophole' closures
2005 - $70M in fee hikes
2006 - $85M in fee hikes (reduced from $170M after backlash from business leaders)

$542M in fee hikes/ tax loophole closures in 4 yrs

And he has the nerve to call Huckabee a Tax and Spender?

A couple things
I'm with you CT.

Romney did NOT leave a $2B surplus. One of his favorite stump tricks is to comingle the inheriting of a deficit with the balance of the Mass Rainy Day Fund - they are two different things.

He also likes to say that he inherited a $3B deficit - well, it turns out it was a projected deficit. The actual deficit was about $1.6B and then he left with a $440M surplus. Source: Club For Growth.

It raises a red flag with me that a guy can't be honest about something that he did that was really great - he reduced spending, raised fees, and left a surplus. Effectively a $2B turnaround in 4 years. That's admirable.

I guess because Huckabee left a $850M surplus, Romney had to somehow indicate he left a bigger one - EVEN THOUGH HE DIDN'T.

Huckabee
has my vote in the primaries. There are no perfect candidates. If it isn't Huckabee, I'll vote for the next Republican.

Don't be an idiot
I'm not going to tell you who I am voting for. But I think you should find out who YOU are voting for !
http://knowbeforeyouvote.com/

What makes me laugh more, savage99
is No Talent completely losing his cookies.

Some issues, that boy has. Some big hairy issues.

One more thing for loud mouth Anne
You follow me around and show what a nosy old loud mouth you are about what I post,so I know you will read this.
Romney is a religious nut case and is not a republican or a conservative.
So I do not like Romney, just so you understand me Anne.

Here, more facts for you to yell at me over,Annie. heh heh

Romney Approves of Abortion Pill and Supports the Legalization of RU-486
"When he ran for governor in 2002, Romney said he supported expanding access to the emergency contraception pill, a high dose of hormones that women can take to prevent pregnancy up to five days after sex . . . On a questionnaire Planned Parenthood gave to the gubernatorial candidates in 2002, Romney answered 'yes' to the question, 'Do you support efforts to increase access to emergency con-traception?' "
- Boston Globe 7/7/2005


Said he would leave the matter of Medicaid funding for abortion to individual states . . . Endorsed legalization of RU-486, the abortion-inducing drug."
- Boston Globe, 3/19/2002



"A new law to make emergency contraception more available in Massachusetts continues to be a political rollercoaster for Governor Mitt Romney. He supported expanded access when campaigning for governor, but vetoed a bill expanding access, earlier this year. The bill then passed over his veto. Earlier this week, the governor sought to exempt Catholic and other private hospitals from having to offer 'morning after pills' to rape victims. Then yesterday, he reversed his position."
- WBUR Radio, Boston, 12/9/2005
http://massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/#top

Old loud mouth showed up again
Anne writes: Tuesday, January, 29, 2008 7:59 PM
Okay Talent... WE GET IT! Honest!


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Idiot
Who cares what you get?

Here, just for you loud mouth.
Everyone got it how you are anti Ron Paul too, but you chatter on and on and call him worse names than I ever did Mitt Romney.

For the blue ribbon hypocrite Anne.

Abortion Issues
Romney supports abortion in general, and believes in sustaining Roe v. Wade.
"Romney ran against Senator Edward M. Kennedy in 1994. During a debate, Romney declared: 'I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. "
(NOTE: Romney has supported abortion since before the 1972 Roe v. Wade ruling!)
- Boston Globe, 3/2/2006
Video of Romney vs Kennedy 1994 debate.



"On a questionnaire Planned Parenthood gave to the gubernatorial candidates in 2002, Romney answered ''yes" to the question, 'Do you support the substance of the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade?' Romney also professed support for state funding of abortion services for low-income women, [Erin] Rowland [spokeswoman for the Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts] said."
- Boston Globe, 3/25/2005

"Marie Sturgis, legislative director of Massachusetts Citizens for Life, said she hasn't detected any change in Romney's stance. The group considers Romney to be an abortion-rights supporter, as do national antiabortion groups such as the Family Research Council."
- Boston Globe, 3/25/2005

http://massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/#top


The Constitution vs. the Bible?
Something needs to be set straight. Mike Huckabee wants to DEFEND the Constitution from activist judges by AMENDING it to protect the inalienable rights of the unborn.

If you want to claim that this means he wants the Constitution to match the Bible, then you need to complain to the Republican Party, not Mike Huckabee. This is perfectly consistent with the Republican Party Platform.

Anne
Loyal Democrat for satire.

Anne for sarcasm.

You two do make me laugh :-D

Sorry Chuck.
But you just don't seem to get it. You're overcharging on your athletic equipment and overdoing your support of Huckabee. He ain't the right choice, Chucky. No way. No how. But thanks for trying.

I like Commonwealth Care.
I really do.

And I think homosexual marriage is really kind of a wash for the GOP--give that up and you can get some neat pot smokin hippies up in New Hampshire.




Okay Talent... WE GET IT! Honest!

Really, we do! So, don't vote for him! Cool!

You don't like Romney because he's a Mormon.

In fact, I think the only person who might not get your point is a monk living in some monestary in Tibet.

Why don't you try to find a Tibet website just in case that one monk might be interested in the fact that you don't like Romney and all Mormons.




Thanks Don
Appreciate you taking the time to say this:

Don writes: 6:22 PM
Great posts talent scout!
I'm with you on this Romney clown. I take the time to educate myself on the real record, not the one on his website, and not the one being touted by Rush, Coulter, and others. Apparently you have done the same, but you are slimed for doing so!
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I will never allow anyone to tell me who to vote for, including any of those people you mention.
I quit listening to Rush and Hannity.
I listened to Rush since his days in Sacramento.

Thats over until this election is settled anyway.
He just makes me angry with his bs for Romney.
I love Ann, but she has gone bonkers with supporting this liberal Romney and holds no weight with me in who to vote for.
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Don writes:

On that note, I doubt seriously if any of the Romney supporters on this thread will take the time, but I challenge all of them to be objective and check out the following link. It supports many of the comments you have made. As I said, I doubt many of them will bother because they probably don't want to be bothered with documented facts!

http://massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/#top

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Sad fact
People do not want truth, it interferes with an agenda.
Its not that they like Romney so much, they are scared to death of Hilliary and think only Romney can win.
A pyrrhic victory if there ever was one even if he could win, but cannot.



Romney said "check my record"
I have and it stinks.
I would ask all conservatives to ask yourself this question, after reading this:

(Note: News source web links are listed at the end of this document by date. All bolding has been added by the author of this report.)

Contents:

Abortion issues
Homosexual "rights"
Homosexual activism in government
Homosexual "marriage"
Gun control
Economic issues
Party Leadership
Conclusion
Sources - Links


http://massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/#top

How on earth is it possible this man is running as a conservative republican?
How can anyone who claims to be either a republican or a conservative support this phony?

Read the link first and see what I mean.

Frugal Mike Huckabee ???
According to the record of " Frugal Mike Huckabee " Mr. Norris is when the lawful, taxpayng citizens of his state need some help such as tuition assistance etc. Mike is frugal and denies it, but if the same request comes from a convicted serial killer, or an illegal immigrant " Frugal Mike Hucabee " will open the publi coffers with unlimited assistance.

Great Article Chuck
Thanks for standing up to Sean Hannity on H&C last night. I will never forget how Beck, Hannity, Ingraham etc. all bashed a perfectly decent candidate like Mike Huckabee only to turn around and endorse a socially liberal, anti-gun candidate. They tried to rewrite the definition of conservatism in this election and they lost all their credibility in the process. Keep hammering these arrogant talk show hosts Chuck.



Shocking
To believe thios man Romney is allowed to even run as a republican.
I guess even the liberals like Romney can lie and claim to be what his deeds prove he is not.
Its actually shocking to see so many people I once thought of as conservatives back this phony.
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Don writes: Tuesday, January, 29, 2008 5:41 PM
Romney's record
Please check out the link below to educate yourself on who Romney really is. I warn you that this will require several hours of your time to read and digest, but if you are truly interested in knowing the facts, this is the place to go. If you are too proud or defensive, then skip the link and adjust your blinders.
http://massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/#top

Great posts talent scout!
I'm with you on this Romney clown. I take the time to educate myself on the real record, not the one on his website, and not the one being touted by Rush, Coulter, and others. Apparently you have done the same, but you are slimed for doing so!

On that note, I doubt seriously if any of the Romney supporters on this thread will take the time, but I challenge all of them to be objective and check out the following link. It supports many of the comments you have made. As I said, I doubt many of them will bother because they probably don't want to be bothered with documented facts!

http://massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/#top

I just cant tell you how thrilled
I am to see someone from tinsel town actually using their head. And I totally agree with him in that we should be supporting the guy we agree with most. Too many people get behind the guy they think can win. And so we get little diversity of opinion making a mainstream impact. Remember when Perot did so well a few years back? As a result we had people from both parties clamoring to get his top ideas and use them.

With all due respect to Mr. Norris
Norris has made a reasonable case for the positive side of his candidate, and I respect that. Huckabee did, in fact, run the state of Arkansas ably, balance the budget, and leave the state with a surplus. He earned the respect of all the state governors while doing so. He's a competent administrator, and an honorable man.

Unfortunately, that's not where we end the conversation. Because Huckabee has shown disturbing signs that he does not understand legal issues, and that he does not understand international issues. His judicial appointments are not strictly conservative, and his descriptions of important cases shows disturbing ignorance. And, Huckabee seems far to able to hear "we must do X" and assume that it means "THE GOVERNMENT must do X," which is exactly the thing America needs less of.

It hardly matters, though. Huckabee is not likely to be the nominee, and I think Mr. Norris knows it.

(Unrelated to this topic, please visit my political blog, "Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

Romney's record
Please check out the link below to educate yourself on who Romney really is. I warn you that this will require several hours of your time to read and digest, but if you are truly interested in knowing the facts, this is the place to go. If you are too proud or defensive, then skip the link and adjust your blinders.
http://massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/#top

Huckabee’s supporters violating campaign
finance law?

aDNA writes: Tuesday, January, 29, 2008 1:05 AM
Romney supporters only attack the others. A very slinky deal for a very slinky guy.


Push Pollers are Hucksters, Huck poo-poos them while his campaign coordinates its phone bank with them.

Pastor Huck won’t dirty his hands with negative phone calls against Romney but his pushpoller friends will.

Huck is one wild and sah-linky guy!


If you think this liberal
Romney is going to unite republicans, all I can say is watch and see.
Not happening yesterday, today or forever.

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indyconantidim writes: 2:35 PM
Talent Scout
The true conservatives must unite behind a Republican or we face a sure dim disaster across the board



And now in your case, your focusing on Romney's religion instead of his business acumen and Washington outsider.
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Wrong on BOTH counts.
I am not focused on Romney to begin with as he is a non starter for me.
Not focused on his religion either, just think he is a screw ball is all.


Romney is part of the system now in operation that is destroying America's economy.

He would not make a good dog catcher as far as I am concerned.


Great points, Chuck!
You know, whether it's talk about the economy, national security, or seeking someone to help heal partisan politics, Mike Huckabee is the real choice.

Mike has real personality. In all of the abovementioned arenas, this factor puts him at the head of the race. With little to no money, he has placed first and second where he has made himself a serious contender. I think he's the best one to change the economy in a positive way.

As for national security, he's traveled the world and met with political leaders in several important governments. He has already begun a dialogue with many of these leaders.

With Mike's personality, charisma, and charm, he would be the person to get the job done in the partisan political arena.

Mike Huckabee may have been the obscure candidate, but, I reiterate my David analogy. David was a young shepherd in the Old Testament of the Bible who became a famous King. He was obscure, with no one believing that he could amount to anything. Yet, God choose him to become one of the greatest leaders portrayed in the history of the Bible. By his acknowledgement, he wasn't great because of the riches that he possessed, but because he trusted in God.

Perhaps there's something positive to be said for trusting God above trusting in your own possessions.

Sure, there's separation of church and state. However, there is not separation of a man and his faith. What better place to have a man who does not think he possesses all that it takes, but knows that he can trust something bigger than himself to lead America to a stronger, more powerful place than the Office of the President?

For those of us who believe in God, God is far above our ideals.

For those who do not believe in God, what better place to test Him out? As much as people have been surprised by Mike's genuineness, you might be surprised by his greatness.


Joe cont'd
Fortunately the surge is working, but that doesn't mean that McCain won't say or do anything in order to be elected. And the same goes for Huckabee, whose supporters have dished out more negative and dishonest campaign ads than anyone else ie. "Common Sense Issues" push polling. Huck's so quick to point out how much $$$ Romney is spending, but somehow always fails to recognize that Romney's also raised more money from donors than anyone else.

Talent Scout
The true conservatives must unite behind a Republican or we face a sure dim disaster across the board. The media has succeeded once again with calling the shots because they can spread anything to fulfill their prophecies. Its up to us to deny them. McCain is resurrected and Huckabee in energized and Fred is dead. And now in your case, your focusing on Romney's religion instead of his business acumen and Washington outsider. If the many people that have fallen into this trap of dissing Fred and suspecting Romney while accepting the Mac/Huck propaganda then we are surely lost. Or you can defy the odds like we did by beating shamnesty, by accepting the dim defeat in Iraq or by putting Bush back in office in spite of the massive leftist attacks led by dims and major media. If we're ever going to shut down this wasteful, worthless bureaucracy it has to be now with Romney/Thompson or you can quit posting to TH. Because it will be over.

Joe, Did Romney really say that?
QUESTION: Iraq. John McCain is there in Baghdad right now. You have also been very vocal in supporting the president and the troop surge. Yet, the American public has lost faith in this war. Do you believe that there should be a timetable in withdrawing the troops?
ROMNEY: Well, there's no question but that -- the president and Prime Minister al-Maliki have to have a series of timetables and milestones that they speak about. But those shouldn't be for public pronouncement. You don't want the enemy to understand how long they have to wait in the weeds until you're going to be gone. You want to have a series of things you want to see accomplished in terms of the strength of the Iraqi military and the Iraqi police, and the leadership of the Iraqi government.
QUESTION: So, private. You wouldn't do it publicly? Because the president has said flat out that he will veto anything the Congress passes about a timetable for troop withdrawals. As president, would you do the same?
ROMNEY: Well, of course. Can you imagine a setting where during the Second World War we said to the Germans, gee, if we haven't reached the Rhine by this date, why, we'll go home, or if we haven't gotten this accomplished we'll pull up and leave? You don't publish that to your enemy, or they just simply lie in wait until that time. So, of course, you have to work together to create timetables and milestones, but you don't do that with the opposition.
Remember what McCain was doing in the spring of 2007: Walking through the streets of Baghdad and pronouncing them safe – oops, it was later reported that he was accompanied by 100 soldiers, 3 Blackhawks, and 2 Apache gunships.
McCain was fully prepared to exaggerate its effectiveness prematurely in order to gain a lead in the polls. He may be the "Comeback Kid", but everyone has forgotten why he sank to the bottom to begin with: he lied for personal gain and the public decided he wasn't trustworthy

Huckabee?
Every day I learn a new reason to dislike that guy.

The purpose of law is equal justice.
The object of writing law in mandatory language is to make it permanent so everyone can understand and obey.

NO law is a "Living Document" subject to the whims and caprice of whomever happens to be reading it.

Our Political System
If the Republicans and Democrats have only the current crop of candidates to offer America; America is in deep trouble. The Republicans, Democrats and main-stream-media (MSM) are just thrilled with these power-seekers; however, the average American is not.

http://nkqx57a.townhall.com/Default.aspx


How many people live in Mass?
Just you?

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SteveL writes: 1:58
for talent scout
talent scout writes: "He has left Massachusetts in the same confusion of mind this mad man lives with."

I live in Massachusetts.
There's no "confusion of mind" on the marriage issue here.



As far as I can tell, the impact of same-sex marriage on Massachusetts society has been minimal.
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Not even close to the truth Steve
I mean unless one just intends to ignore it as you are doing.

Some..Not All Comments
Reading some of these comments scares me!
To think some of these people with insulting remarks if someone doesn't agree with them can actually vote.
Chuck Norris has the right as anyone else to do an article or express his opinion.

Who is this Fred Thompson?
Is that the Fred Thompson who claimed to be running for president when he occasionally bothered to campaign?

Also, Ron Paul could have been the nominee except that 90% of Republicans disagree with his positions on Iraq and Islamic terrorism. Paul supporters are a little naieve to think Republicans who support the war on terrorism and the battle for Iraq are ever going to support a candidate who disagrees with Paul in these two areas. His positions in many areas are admirable, but many, many Republicans do remember Islam's attack on American on 911. Those of us who remember 911 will not rest until terrorism is reduced to a memory.

for talent scout
talent scout writes: "He has left Massachusetts in the same confusion of mind this mad man lives with."

I live in Massachusetts.
There's no "confusion of mind" on the marriage issue here.

It doesn't even make the local newspapers anymore, except very rarely.

Life goes on.
Men and women get married.
Families have kids.

As far as I can tell, the impact of same-sex marriage on Massachusetts society has been minimal.

Ignorant or dishonest?
Joe, are you ignorant or dishonest?

Have you researched Romney's comments yourself or are you taking them at face value from McCain and Kagan?

Romney said that the president and the Al Maliki government should establish benchmarks and time-tables for meeting those benchmarks. He never advocated timetables for withdrawal. In fact he (in the exact same interview) adamantly opposed timetables for withdrawal and stressed that the benchmarks and timetables for achieving them should remain secret so as not to tip our hand to our enemies. So basically he suggested that the government should have goals of what they want to accomplish in Iraq and timeframes associated to those goals. Apparently on the Straight Talk Express that is translated as "waving the white flag of surrender."

So---my question---in spreading this misinformation are you being ignorant or dishonest. Mcain and Kagan are dishonest. But which are you?

for FROG
FROG writes: "As soon as he used 'bases' instead of the correct word 'basis', I had my answer."

WRONG.
The word "bases" was correct in the context Mr. Norris used it.

"Bases" is the plural of "basis."

So you can say either:

"The basis for [...] is wide-ranging."
-- OR --
"The bases for [...] are varied."

Both are correct.

chuck norris
lone wold mcquade gives a spirited defense of his candidate and his writing is superior to his acting ability. Alas he is backing the the wrong horse in this race. Huck is far too problematic to win and will not be rewarded with the vp post either. It seems his ego pushed his run for potus but alas he remains an empty suit with little understanding both the issues and any clue on solving problems. He probably is a nice fellow but lacks the wherewithal for the job. After super dooper tuesday he returns to his staus as no more than another failing footnote in the process of selecting a presidential candidate.

Buyer's remorse
No remorse, just regret that usually circumspect conservatives did not buy the leadership offered by Fred Thompson. As most, I'll vote for any Republican over a Democrat in the General Elections, I would love to see, given the current roller-coaster ride of sentiments, a ticket with McCain and Thompson. Fred may not be interested, but I think that he would go a long way in mollifying many conservatives. In fact, allow me to stick my neck out further: Fred Thompson for VP with ANYBODY, would be very acceptable. Just my two-cents, subject to change as the lazy media and stupid pollsters (has Zogby been right about anything lately?) run to the next-new-leading-candidate.

Every man is free to decide his religion
And is man is equally free to disagree with him about his religion.

Every man is free to run for office, and every man is free to decide why he will vote for or against the man.

Nothing hard to understand in this thing called liberty at all.

I can decide to not vote for Romney just because he is a Mormon if I want to.
But, he has so many problems that his religion is the least of it for me, even though I see his religion as nutty as a fruit cake.

The whiners and cry babies do not like me saying this about Romney, all the while they will say that to me, and I smile anyway at the hypocrites.
And one of them is a loud mouth busy body, she knows who that is.
She runs all over this board every day attacking posters, personally.
A true hypocrite and loud mouth

It was in good spirits
Lets not take it all so serious, ok.
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Sir Michael writes: Tuesday, January, 29, 2008 1:18
Listen up talent scout
I am also an Army Vet.

You need to learn some history. The Marines have done a lot more than win "a few islands in the Pacific."

God bless them all. "Semper Fi" you Jarheads, if you don't mind it coming from an Army guy.

God bless all our military personel, of whatever service.

Thanks all you Vets out there!

Now let's get back to the subject at hand and ditch these non-sequitors.

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Amen brother, I love the Marine Corp and very happy they are on our side.
I was just playing along on the interservice rivalry in good humor.

My point is, this is about politics, not the Army or the Marines or any mans service to the country.
Strictly about the politics of each man running, not about some LT, Marine or Army.

He gets no pass in his politics no more than anyone else does just cause he is in the Marines.
My point in total.


Chuck, I don't have remorse
over electing Bush. I don't agree with his big spending or his coddling of illegals but that is something for GOP leadership (McCain) to take responsibility for. I see Huck doing the same thing. What lib leaning so-called moderate pubs don't understand is the government must show the ability to follow through with one thing before we can allow another. These bills pile up on one another to add another layer of bureaucratic mess after mess and the gridlock and spending go on and on. Mac/Huck would be no better than Hi-liar-y or Obama except they would fight terrorists. To a point. Then they would give in to the pacifists, and try to negotiate with them. Bush should have threatened the Iranian whack job that any men or material coming over the line would be followed and destroyed at its source. He would have had the dims with him by putting this into the invasion wording and he wouldn't have had to worry about the weasels and their compadres (McCain) stopping him later.

So bottom line, Huck's not the man, Fred was. I noticed you made no mention of him. I also notice Huck is starting to sound like Fred on the war and illegals. Too little too late and too phony.

Anne. I read the comments
you brought to my attention this morning. He's an idiot, but I responded anyway. It's wasting my time, I know. But it's fun.

Robert Kagan on Mitt's Iraq Cowardice
McCain will be great for the economy because he will focus on tax and spending cutting. That is what we need because that will be the best stimulant for the economy. But we also need a commander in chief and McCain is by far better than Mitt Romney in that regard.

Robert Kagen on Romney's Iraq caution:


Everyone who was fighting for the surge in the early months of last year — and that was not a very large number of people back then—was desperately looking around Republican ranks for support. Most Republicans on the Hill were quiet. Most conservative commentators were not working up any enthusiasm, to say the least. And aside from McCain, the leading Republican presidential candidates at the time were being careful. It was clear that both Giuliani and Romney were tempted to let McCain take the issue and self-immolate. But of the two, I remember, Rudy was the one who decided to put himself most clearly on the side of the surge. He began speaking out on the need for more troops in his public appearances. The contrast with Romney is even more striking in this regard. As best I can recall, Giuliani never talked about timetables, withdrawal, or about stationing forces “nearby.” Among the three leading candidates, only Romney took that line.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjBkNGE0MzgxODg2Y2 UwNWM0Mjk0OWU0YmE4NTVkYmY=

Mitt does not show the quality you want in a commander in chief. Perhaps we should send Mitt a white feather?

ModMark & I USUALLY DO NOT AGREE...

on anything.... BUT this point WE DO!

SOME PEOPLE forget that in this country we are free to practice our chosen religion... or not to practice one at all.

Showing one prejudice, by intending to show one's 1000 percent biased against Mormonism, is certainly ignorant, and as mentioned above... un-Christian.

And yes, USMC Lt. IS a 21yr. old, but there is also a USMC (Ret.) who often posts... and no doubt both could do just as ModMark suggests.

So, DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!





Listen up talent scout
I am also an Army Vet.

You need to learn some history. The Marines have done a lot more than win "a few islands in the Pacific."

God bless them all. "Semper Fi" you Jarheads, if you don't mind it coming from an Army guy.

God bless all our military personel, of whatever service.

Thanks all you Vets out there!

Now let's get back to the subject at hand and ditch these non-sequitors.

You listen up Mark
ModerateMark writes: 12:41 PM
Listen TalentScout
"First thing, do not whine now when I send your mocking back to you as you normally do here and cry waaa waaaa."

I make plenty of "snarky" comments but I never attack a man called USMC Lt (ret). Retired my *ss, bet he still can kick the sh*t out all us youngster. Be smart TalentScout, never mess with a Marine.
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He is not retired, he is 21 years old.
We have had talks before today and you came along.
Let me be clear, I never said anything about the Marines.
Nor have I said anything about his service.
I spoke directly to what he posts here.
Understand?
He has been a cry baby over disagreeing with his religion and Romney, with me.

I think its a bit corny to use such a screen name on a political board anyway.


Being a US Army Vet, I have no reason to fear a Marine .
Marines won a few islands in the Pacific, the US Army wins the Wars as they did in Europe and the Navy in the Pacific.

Not an island, but a continent.


This is not about the Marines, or the Army is it.
Smile if you can

Be so kind
Please be so kind as to acknowledge that Chuck Norris has as much right as any "professional" commentator of whatever job title to write an acticle. He has a right to involve himself in the political process and advocate whatever position or candidate he wishes. He is a *citizen* of this great country. You equally have the right to agree or disagre with him.

So please lets stop this "he is a kickboxer and an actor and why is he ..." nonsense. Please allow him the rights and freedoms you demand for yourself.

Or would you prefer only liberal Hollywood types speak out?

Or do you have the mindset that free speech is only for those who agree with you?

Chuck, I respect your choice of roles
over the years as they played to your only strength as an actor. I am afraid that you are out of you league here and supporting Huckabee does not seem to fit your most prominent roles of being tough on criminals. The Huckster is the last one of the candidates that is tough on criminals unless by tough, you mean lets them out to commit more crimes.

I was also a Fred supporter from the beginning of his campaign and am frustrated that he bowed out so early, before super Tuesday. I cannot in good concience support or vote for Huckabee or McCain or Rudy, so that leaves me hoping against hope that Mitt's conversions are for real. If Rudy, Huck or McCain are the Repub in the general, then I might just vote for a dem so that when the country goes to h@11 in a handbasket, we will be able to correctly blame the dems. I just hope the country can survive what the dem, Rudy, Huck or McCain would do to it.

Thanks Chuck
It's nice to see someone talking in terms of integrity more than in terms of "can he win." I know that "winning" is important, but if the integrity is not there to begin with the winning is not worth a dime. The Republican establishment obviously just wants Huckabee to go away. When he is mentioned the misleading statements made about him are rife.

Deal with it
Gary writes: 12:20

As for religion, those who snub Mitt's Mormonism because they don't agree with it, are unfortunately showing their prejudice. They are no different than Bill Clinton pretending to be the first black president, then smearing Obama with racist attacks. One cannot claim to be a "good Christian" and then treat others in a non-Christian way. I personally don't care if my president is Mormon, Catholic, Baptist or Buddhist, as long as his/her principles and plans are based on sound and moral ideas.
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I am 1000 percent biased against Mormonism, so I intend to show it.

Nothing is unchristian about disagreeing with false religions and false prophets.
Joe Smith being that very thing.

I say it is unchristian to compromise with devils, like Smith was.

Gary
Have you heard anyone on here slam Huckabee for his religion?

Why choose a Mormon bishop
as our president?

Hey youngster
USMC Lt. writes: 3:33 AM
Let's examine Romneys Record #1
OK, Talentless Scout, let's examine Romney's "Liberal" record as Governor of Massachusettes.
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First thing, do not whine now when I send your mocking back to you as you normally do here and cry waaa waaaa.
My screen name is talent scout, deal with it without your childish mocking, chump, or expect it to come back to you like you give it, cry baby.
You did NOT address what is in my post and what shows anyone Romney is NOT a conservative.

He is a very confused man, like you are.







Huck and other Republicans
While I like Huck in many ways (Fair Tax, etc), I'm not sure if I'm ready to have another Southern Baptist former governor from Hope Arkansas...

Rush Limbaugh and Hugh Hewitt like Mitt Romney as a conservative. He is at least as conservative as Huckabee has been in Arkansas, even though he governed in a very liberal state.

Mitt has run companies before - successfully. That's something that George Bush never was able to do - just look at what he did with his oil company and the Texas Rangers...and the US budget!

While Huck has stated he wants for president someone who is like the worker, and not the guy who fires the worker - I want someone who will make the tough decisions to save our country - even if it means firing many federal workers or slashing programs. Huck seems too much like George Bush on compassionate conservatism: he wouldn't cut most programs because it would hurt too many of his co-workers. Look at how Romney saved the Salt Lake Olympics from hundreds of millions of dollars of debt, and turning it into a profit.

As for religion, those who snub Mitt's Mormonism because they don't agree with it, are unfortunately showing their prejudice. They are no different than Bill Clinton pretending to be the first black president, then smearing Obama with racist attacks. One cannot claim to be a "good Christian" and then treat others in a non-Christian way. I personally don't care if my president is Mormon, Catholic, Baptist or Buddhist, as long as his/her principles and plans are based on sound and moral ideas.

Does anyone else speculate that Romney's
character is probably very similar to the character of his supporters on these blogs. My observation of these supporters is that rather than give reasons why they believe Romney is the best candidate, they much prefer to denigrate, trash, distort and lie about Romney's opponents. Mitt Romney, he's our man, leading us to lie about and distort the records of his opponents. Mitt Romney and the rombots, birds of a feather.

MBR= Mutual Buyers' Remorse
Let's call it a draw:

We Democrats say: Republicans, you were sure right about the Clintons.

You Republicans say: Democrats, you were sure right about George W Bush.

Then we'll all shake hands and kiss-kiss and be friends. I'll bring the cookies---you start the coffee.

Morons to the right of me
Mormons to the left of me
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Stan47 writes: 11:40 AM
WHAT ??????????
What, all of a sudden, qualifies Chuck Norris to be a political commentator?
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Same thing that gives you morons the right to make a post here.
The God given right of free speech, moron

Chuck
Stick to movies.

One State has been left in confusion
Massachusetts
The very State the liberal Romney ran as a republican, ha ha.
Politics is like show business huh.

The good people of Massachusetts do not even know what the future of the most basic of all human contracts is to be in that liberal haven of a State.
The State that has the most activist judges( compared only the the Federal 9th Circuit in California) and who had no power over the State Legislature to create a law they like.
They did not need to, the activist judges had a very good friend in Mitt Romney as Governor.

America does not need such a puke as this in any office, let alone President.

He has left Massachusetts in the same confusion of mind this mad man lives with.
He is a religious nut case too.

Mike Huckabee is the real deal
His platform is the Republican platform of old. Responsible federal use of tax dollars, cutting spending and balancing the budget. Say what you like, but you have to give it to him, the man knows how to stretch a dollar! He is consistent. He doesn't change positions to win votes like some people running for President. He doesn't run with his finger in the wind. Mike Huckabee is running a marathon and with grassroots support, he can succeed.

Presidential Buyer's Remorse

Hi Chuck,

My daughter has been a big fan of yours for years.

I feel your pain though, I was a supporter of Fred Thompson and will always feel good about my decision. All of the remaining candidates for the Republican nomination including Huck (Ron Paul not included for obvious reasons) are unknowns. Each have changed their positions more often than my wife changed diapers on my daughter.

For that reason, I will vote in the general election in November for our Republican Candidate, like I did the last time, not for what I want, but once again on a wing and a prayer and with hope that whoever our nominee is, and if he wins, he is not a Liberal spender as was Bush and that he does finally secure our borders and eliminate illegal immigration. But most of all I hope that he maintains our defense posture and strives for a win in the war on terror and not pull out of the fight with our tails between our legs ....Again.


Please stop calling yourself a rep.
Or a conservative and support the liberal Romney.
This man is no more a conservative than Hilliary Klinton is.

iitywybad writes: 10:29 AM
Attn: Talent NO Scout
Don't call yourself a conservative if you're going to put out "HALF" truths and lies like this:
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Nothing in that post is half truth.
Why would anyone want to lie and say otherwise?
I now suspect you are a Mormon like LT and will lie about anything to promote the liberal Romney.
Who cannot win the national election anyway.
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FACTS

"As governor, Mitt Romney issued an executive order forcing justices of the peace to perform homosexual weddings, or resign. Then he ordered marriage licenses changed to read "party A" and "party B" – instead of "husband" and "wife."
As governor, Romney appointed a board member of the Lesbian and Gay Bar Association to the bench, and appointed more Democrat judges than Republicans.

As governor, Romney authored and signed a mandatory heath insurance plan backed by Ted Kennedy – including taxpayer-funded abortion on demand.

As governor, Romney overruled his own health department and forced Catholic hospitals to distribute the morning after abortion pill."


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iitywybad writes:
Everything Mitt Romney did in regards to gay marriage and abortion was dictated by the Supreme Court of Massachusetts and unless you are a complete moron, you know he had no choice.


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You sir are a lying fool and an ignoramus in how the American System of Government works.
Well, its one or the other, you are either a liar or just a moron.





WHAT ??????????
What, all of a sudden, qualifies Chuck Norris to be a political commentator?

This smacks of that old advertising gag, "I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV."

Except that Norris is not even an especially talented actor.

Who is TH planning to recruit next? Jackie Chan, Loug Ferrigno, or perhaps Lucy Liu?

The self-declared conservatives and neocons are the ones who are always griping about how the lines between fiction and fact, entertainment and news, have been blurred. ("Murphy Brown" anyone?) Now they are working from the same playbook.

This is ridiculous.

Mr. Norris
Huckabee seems like a nice and honest man but his politics are not mine.

I am concerned Huckabee supporters are circulating a lot of negative misinformation regarding Romney who is closest to what I want. But I guess some would just stay all is fair in this competition.

the huck/the chuck
You know between the NY Times shilling for mccain and you shilling for huckabee - I know that the huckster is running for mccain's vp. It really is a political add and Arby you are right everyone else needs to have one printed.
I heard chuck on Glenn Beck and he was not the raving maniac he turned out to be with Sean. Wasn't he the one that said he's like to slap Romney in the face? Or was that the other sleaze - ed rollins - working for the Minister?
Sorry chuck when I saw what you did on Sean's show I was completely turned off.
Go back to kick boxing, but not against other candidates. I'm sure if one of the other candidates had someone working in their inner circle that offered to beat someone up they'd be gone in a short minute. However, not the ministers.

King of Liars and Frauds.
Lt.for life, liar and fraud John F. Kerry
who's full Navy records are where???????????

Romney is dangerous to Republicans.
Romney is a Governor from Massachusetts where only 12-13% of the registered voters are Republican.

"Indeed, this report will demonstrate that Romney was probably the most pro-abortion and pro-gay rights Republican official in the nation for the last decade." http://www.massresistance.org/romney/

Top 10 RINOs (Republicans in Name Only)
Human Events 12/27/05 - (Mitt Romney is ranked #8)

At a 2002 meeting with NARAL, National Abortion Rights League, Romney assured them he would work to soften the GOP stance on abortion and said that the GOP's pro-life position was "killing them". He also promised to fight efforts by conservatives to require abstinence-only sex education in the schools.

In the 1960's, George Romney, Mitt's father, was considered one of the key leaders of the liberal wing of the GOP, and along with Nelson Rockefeller and others, worked incessantly to move the Republican Party to a more liberal position on both social and fiscal issues.

Romney began gay marriage in the US.
The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ordered the Legislature to change the law. Which according to the Massachusetts Constitution, they have no authority to do.

What happened then?

The Legislature did nothing. It took no action. So after the 180 days Gov. Romney took action on his own.

Gov. Romney's Legal Counsel issued a directive to the Justices of the Peace that they must perform same-sex marriages when requested or "face personal liability" or be fired.

Maybe if Bain Capital didn't own Clear Channel Communications, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Mark Levin, Laura Ingraham, or Michael Gallagher could have told us all of this.

This is really a stupid article.
One thing I know, though, is that if Huckabee were to be elected president, buyer's remorse would set in in ten seconds flat.

Chuck you answered your own question.
Well Chuck; I agree 100% with what you have said and the reason you give are truthful to me. However you have answered your own questions in what you have put to print. Is it at all possible that the cost of doing business in America has become way too expensive? You just said it yourself via the campaign’s are running out of money. To elect a President we are only given a limited choice of people; people that are pushed forward by others that may have other then honorable intentions in the end game. In short it is a true statement when it is said “WE” do not elect a president “WE” only are allowed to think we do when in fact the Electoral College elects the president. WE the people are too stupid to understand the inner workings and as such our forefathers fixed this with the Electoral College.
I believe that 1; As a Viet-Nam Vet. And seeing first hand that Viet-Nam was not about helping the people but it was all about Corporate America and how much cash money they could make. The same goes for Iraq now, it is all about the cash and not the oil and who stands to make the most! 2; We need “REAL” jobs in America and not lower paying food service or department store jobs rather real jobs. With no real jobs to make real money to buy real goods America will fall just as Germany after WW I opening the door for ………………?

renny
Do your homework- his rating WAS 83% in 1980, it's been dropping steadily ever since.
Last year it was 65%.

About buyer's remorse.
When you say that voting for Mike (even if he loses) would allow you to sleep at night, content that you have kept your personal slate unsullied, how does that fit in with the fact that if he loses, we will have infinitely more aborted babies under a democrat president?
This was my problem with the James Dobson threat of third party politicing if Rudy got the nod.
The republican party is facing what could be the single-most pivotal election in our history.
They have a better chance right now to retain the white house than they've had since Reagan-
there is a scism in the Democratic party.
Abortion should never have been injected into politics in the first place, and until congress amends the Constitution to change that, those single issue values voters need to keep in mind that even with it's failings, the republican party can be worked with.
If Mike fails to win the nod, and you still vote for him, thereby splitting the republican vote further (Soros-backed Ron Paul will NEVER drop out, he WANTS to be a stick in the spokes)
you will ensure a dem victory by Hillary, who will field at least 32% of the vote.
Not because she's the best candidate, simply because their is a juvenile desire to make history residing in us all, and the press insist that the time is now, and the woman is her.
If he gets the nod, I'll vote for him myself, but I won't hand the country to a democrat unless McCain gets the nomination, because it's better to deal with your enemy when he's in the open than when he's hiding behind a manufactured and recently discovered conservative principle.
Good life for you and your family Chuck, and God bless and keep us.

Attn: Talent NO Scout
Don't call yourself a conservative if you're going to put out "HALF" truths and lies like this:

"As governor, Mitt Romney issued an executive order forcing justices of the peace to perform homosexual weddings, or resign. Then he ordered marriage licenses changed to read "party A" and "party B" – instead of "husband" and "wife."
As governor, Romney appointed a board member of the Lesbian and Gay Bar Association to the bench, and appointed more Democrat judges than Republicans.

As governor, Romney authored and signed a mandatory heath insurance plan backed by Ted Kennedy – including taxpayer-funded abortion on demand.

As governor, Romney overruled his own health department and forced Catholic hospitals to distribute the morning after abortion pill."

Everything Mitt Romney did in regards to gay marriage and abortion was dictated by the Supreme Court of Massachusetts and unless you are a complete moron, you know he had no choice. As for the lesbian he appointed to the Supreme Court, she voted AGAINST the court decision in reference to gay marriage. Mitt Romney directed the legislature to develop an amendment to the Massachusetts Constitution to deny gay marriage. Support whomever you wish, but at least TRY to be TRUTHFUL.

Yo, Town Hall
Chuck Norris as a columnist? Did I read that right? Are you people crazy?

This is nothing more than a prose advertisement. You now need to offer equal opportunity to Mitt's campaign, Rudy's campaign, McCain's campaign, and probably those of Clinton and Obama. How about a column from Oprah?

More and more, I find more and more on other web sites to spend my time with -- and less and less on TH, because of po0p like this.

Who Will Win?
Statistics show that 85% of the time the candidate that spends the most money wins the election. Now they have changed the policies on donating to campaigns so that only a rich man can win. We citizens are just a bunch of robot drones.

CHUCK

.....I like your movies ...why don't you throw your hat in the ring? ...sorry about Huck ...too much religion in the White House is not a good thing .....COLOSSUS

taxfreekiller
By the same analogy many would say you are nothing but a baby killer, and nothing you say or do matters. Look at Huckabee as he is, not as someone else in your past was.

JD
You must be writing the script for some Hollywood libs.' nightmare.

I like the role for Ann Coulter, though, and Pat Buchanan for Sec. of Labor, and Ron Paul for Sec. of State (of course, we'd have no "foreign affairs," so he would have little to do).

Shelby Steele for Health, Education, and Welfare, and Mel Gibson for Defense.

Re Buyer's Remorse
No remorse here if Huckabee doesn't take the office; there will be plenty to go around if he doesn't.

He has made some mistakes, like all the others; but he is genuine. While all the Republicans are decent men, Romney is a fraud at times and McCain is mean.

The Republicans will put up someone the Democrats will describe as another rich, white male (whether he actually is or not), and Hillary will use that to walk right in. MOST PEOPLE DON'T VOTE, and among the minority who do there are enough who will vote for anyone who isn't a rich, white male, whatever they stand for.

There are plenty of fools who support Obama just because he happens to be black.

From the beginning, conservative/Republican activists have been more pragmatic than idealistic. "Electability" is their criterion for choosing a candidate. They are lead around by polls and the media like little dogs on leashes.

The attacks on Huckabee by Limbaugh and local Charlotte talk radio hosts have been beyond reason. Even I can say something nice about Clinton - her hair looks nice sometimes - but Huckabee can do nothing right.

I am a Christian, conservative Republican and as a grownup I can also say our conservative mouthpieces aren't always right. Some of those conservatives who criticize Huckabee for being soft on illegal immigration would like to see every Mexican including women and children packed into boxcars or cattle trucks and dumped into the desert somewhere on the other side of the border and they could care less what happens to them.

Those conservatives, like "progressives" who care more about winning than anything else are nauseating.

If the campaign was supposed to be a serious affair we wouldn't allow members of Congress to run. How McCain, for example, can have the gall to stand up and talk about making changes and getting things done (WHAT HAS HE BEEN DOING IN OFFICE ALL THESE YEARS ALREADY?) is beyond me.

Chuck Loses this Match
I respect Huckabee, a former minister, and Chuck Norris, a martial arts TV and movie star, but they both are out of their depth when they move into the political arena. Americans do not want a pastor as their president. Although we are predominately a Christian country most Americans respect the wall between Caesar and Christ.

With the anti-human rights policies of the Middle East theocracies constantly in the media for all to see why would we choose a Baptist pastor as our leader?

Huckabee
Sorry Chuck.....Your one of my favorites on TV, but I can't go with you on this one. Huckabee is like Paul Harvey's "The Rest of the Story". It's obvious the guy is a closet Liberal.

Huckabee???
Mike's candidancy is a microcsm of mananging the national budget.
This is like Carter's cardigan sweater fire-side chat on energy is managing energy.
Would he ask people to work without a salary?


In a previous interview, you said the main reason you backed Huckabee is for his flat tax.
A big change, as this, has to come from the people, not from someone claiming it during a presidential candidancy.
Remember President Bush's saving social security. A sound idea, but the senior citizens were scared into believing that their social security would go away.


The way to make these type of changes is to use the bully pulpet to the people. The people have risen to the challenge before. They did for amnesty. Romney, an outsider, can go to people and reach all, not just the evangelist christians. He can reach them too because he is a christian.


In that same previous interview, you brought up that Buffet tax myth.

Buffet has combination revenue of
1 billion dividend at 15%
and 46 million at 35%
for a combination of 17%.

He compared the secretary to his 35%. The secretary has only the tax rate of 15%.

The lower dividend tax rate help more than Buffet. Like all of the pension funds.


Huckabee's tax cuts were on opera tickets, lawn mower fees, but not for state income taxes. This how he can say he has more (number of) tax cuts.



Hey Shells: Actually, good question.

I kind of suspect that he'll give the money to some charity, or some worthy cause... worthy in his eyes anyway.

Here's the thing. I do think paul is basically a good man, with good intentions... again, in his eyes.

I just think he's totally misguided, a whiner, and a little (or a lot!) goofy. But I don't think he's an hysterical and as out of control as his "followers." They are, for the most part, crazy!

However, you could be right. :-)




I prefer Giuliani to any candidate
but supported McCain in 2000.

McCain has an 83% rating from the Amercian Conservative Union. It doesn't make him an A-list cons., but it certainly gives him a solid B.

McCain has been making more cons. noises lately on keeping the Bush tax cuts permanant and closing the southern border. He knows to draw cons. votes, he needs to support cons. concerns.

Huckabee, like Romney, if nominated, would turn the election into a huge argument over religion, because the MSM which determines what we see and hear (and now loves McCain, until he is actually nominated) will spend the whole contest putting Reps. on the defensive over religion

Anne
Or do you think RP will give those donations back to the wh*rehouses in Las Vegas or back to the KKK?

Nasty writers ignore what's fundamental
First of all, this nation is toast without her children. And out of ALL the presidential candidates, Mike Huckabee is the MOST PRO-CHILD. Not just pro-life before birth, but pro-life for the American children following their birth. Huckabee UNDERSTANDS that a nation which puts her children second is a doomed nation. It's really no wonder we're viewed as infidels, since our infidelity to the fundamental value of protecting our young is so painfully obvious.

Shame on us for putting other issues ahead of our children.

Huck Not A Flip Flopper??
Chuckie, you have been watching too many TV shows. Not only are your shows boring, you are away from your position in life, kick-boxing. And one more -- if you have made a few millions, do something decent with most of it - and get a real job.

Go ronpaul? Oh pa-lease! Check out

Carpenter's column.

paul, as usual, is right where he's been in the polls... smack dab at the BOTTOM!

And not only is he on the bottom, he still can't break doube digits..

But one thing, ronpaul is going to be pretty wealthy with all the ga-zillions of dollars that have been raised. He'll be sitting pretty.



Ick.
Go, Ron Paul!

Jewels
Now Mitt may not have actually seen his daddy with his eyes, but certainly in his minds eye. Every child sees their parents in their minds eyes.
Bottom line is that his daddy did participate with Dr. King. That is a fact and more importantly a truth. Deny it if you will, but denying it does not make it go away.

Jewels
- Detroit Free Press: "With Gov. Romney a surprise arrival and marching in the front row, more than 500 Negroes and whites staged a peaceful antidiscrimination parade up Grosse Pointe's Kercheval Avenue Saturday. ... 'the elimination of human inequalities and injustices is our urgent and critical domestic problem,' the governor said. ... [Detroit NAACP President Edward M.] Turner told reporters, 'I think it is very significant that Governor Romney is here. We are very surprised.' Romney said, 'If they want me to lead the parade, I'll be glad to.'" ("Romney Joins Protest March Of 500 In Grosse Pointe," Detroit Free Press, 6/29/63)

- In Their 1967 Book, Stephen Hess And David Broder Wrote That George Romney "Marched With Martin Luther King Through The Exclusive Grosse Point Suburb Of Detroit." "He has marched with Martin Luther King through the exclusive Grosse Pointe suburb of Detroit and he is on record in support of full-coverage Federal open-housing legislation." (Stephen Hess And David Broder, The Republican Establishment: The Present And Future Of The G.O.P., 1967, p. 107)

Jewels
Stephen Hess and David S. Broder also wrote about the march in their 1967 book, “The Republican Establishment: The Present and Future of the G.O.P.”

Basore said she was very angry about how the issue has been covered on cable television.

In 1963, George Romney Gave The Keynote Address At The Conference That Sparked The Martin Luther King "Freedom Marches" In Detroit. "The establishment of these human relations groups came in the wake of several major events (besides the embarrassing racist practices of such suburbs as Dearborn), which took place in 1963 and helped galvanize interracial support and cooperation for integrated housing. The first event was the Metropolitan Conference on Open Occupancy held in Detroit in January 1963. The second event was the Martin Luther King 'Freedom' March in June of the same year, the spinoffs of which were several Detroit NAACP-sponsored interracial marches into Detroit suburbs to dramatize the need for black housing. ... Governor George Romney gave the keynote speech at this conference, in which he pledged to use the power of the state to achieve housing equality in Michigan." (Joe T. Darden, Detroit, Race And Uneven Development, 1987, p. 132)

Jewels
Are you willing to stand before your maker and say these eyewitnesses are liars and you did not perpetuate a falsehood?

Shirley Basore, 72, says she was sitting in the hairdresser’s chair in wealthy Grosse Pointe, Mich., back in 1963 when a rumpus started and she discovered that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and her governor, George Romney, were marching for civil rights — right past the window.

With the cape still around her neck, Basore went outside and joined the parade.

“They were hand in hand,” recalled Basore, a former high-school English teacher. “They led the march. We all swung our hands, and they held their hands up above everybody else’s.”

She remembered the late governor as “extremely handsome.”

Until this week, that was just a vivid memory for a sweet retiree who now lives in Pompano Beach, Fla.
Another witness, Ashby Richardson, 64, of Massachusetts gave the campaign a similar account.

“I’m just appalled that the news picks this stuff up and say it didn’t happen,” Richardson, now a data-collection consultant, said by phone. “The press is being disingenuous in terms of reporting what actually happened. I remember it vividly. I was only 15 or 20 feet from where both of them were.”

Boy, Bowie,
you said a mouthful there. If the situation occurs as you describe it, where both congress and the WH are inhabited by dems, the change will indeed be profound. By the way, have you observed congress lately?

Thank you, Chuck and Gena
I do think you made a difference this election. The first I heard of Mike was when I saw your ad on the internet. Since then I've read and listened to him quite a bit and I agree with your opinion of him. He is very conservative, especially if you look at the big issues of abortion, taxes, immigration and the role of the federal government vs. state government.

Probably the main thing I disagree with him about is the pardoning of prisoners. If that's his worst fault, though, it would be better to have him as a President than a governor. Right now I think we, and two border agents currently sitting in prison, could use a president who knew how to write a pardon.

Chuck, I really like your rational and well thought out approach. The primary in my state isn't for a while yet, but I'll vote for Mike.


Meida pundits dont'r read the polls
NBC and Times/Bloomberg both show Mike Huckabee ahead of Mitt Romney nationally in second place to John McCain. I am guessing the shills for neocons and the rich, Rush,Sean, Ann, Hugh, Rich Lowry and the national review are just totally upset and now proclaiming the death of the republican party if they don't get their way. Well, the problem is you guys have got your way for the last 7 years and it is almost guaranteeing us a democratic congress, and White House which is going to be a profound change for America.

I was beginning to wonder ...
if Norris actually wrote this column or if it was writtenf for him and he signed his name to it. As soon as he used "bases" instead of the correct word "basis", I had my answer.

Mr. Norris, I'll always be a fan of your talents, but your politics? Not so good!

chuck norris
needs to stick to "martial arts"; his age comment on McCain alone allowed McCain to expand his support among the 65+ voter demographic in Florida wherein that demographic is large and politically active!
Please keep your mouth shut, Norris (not only for your candidate's sake, but for the future of the nation).

No On Huckabee
Before I wonder who is frugal and who isn't, I'd like to see a list of Huckabee big donors to see how he's managed to stay in the race so far with no money. Ditto, John McCain, although I pretty much can guess that McCain's money is coming from -- the same people who supported his pro-illegal immigration bill so they could have cheap labor. They know with McCain, they'll still have their cheap labor. It will just have a fence added on otherwise he's still the same old, same old. With Huckabee, I don't know.

My problem with Huckabee is I don't see him strong on any issues except social issues and I find him particularly weak on National Security and Foreign Affairs. I don't think being a Quipmeister makes you a good President, it just entertains the media. And this Robin Hood syndrome that's playing out with some of these candidates, in the guise of populism, is disturbing to me and I'm not even upper middle class. It just sounds like Socialism. And the whining from Huckabee after Fred Thompson dropped out - UGH. So, I'm a big "NO" on Huckabee.

This Tennessee ex-Thompson supporter, who won't vote at all in November if McCain gets the nomination (no matter who is his running mate), will vote for Romney on 2/5.

Romney is not the conservative choice
http://romneynotconservativechoice.blogspot.com

Huckabee is the conservative choice
http://huckabeeisconservativechoice.blogspot.com


Flake criticizes GOP earmark strategy
Lawmakers want their pork!

THEHILL-While House Republican leaders touted their push for a bipartisan moratorium on the use of congressional earmarks, at least one conservative member vocally criticized the move as not enough.

“We really missed an opportunity,” said Rep. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.). “Had we gone for a moratorium…in the end [Democrats] would have had to follow our lead.”

Flake indicated that the major flaw was that the moratorium was largely contingent on whether Democrats would capitulate to the Republican political pressure.

“Republicans and Democrats seem content to play out the Alphonse and Gaston routine on earmark reform – ‘You first.’ ‘No, you first,’” said Flake.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/flake-criticizes-g op-earmark-strategy


Say No
To Huckaphony and McLib!

I supported Romney day 1...........
.....still do.

I wouldn't regard Huck as a leader....
Huck is not a straight talker, will use snide remarks to make points.

Furthermore, if it's so easy to buy the White House, as Chuck Norris has stated, then we would've seen Steve Forbes as president. Has Chuck considered that?
I see Romney as a straight shooter. Initially that may put him in the hot seat in Washington, but I believe that ultimately his ideas and ideals will allow him to see success.



Sorry .......
Sorry, didn't mean to repeat that post!
Hope everyone has a good morning or evening whatever the case may be

You are the man Chuck!
I have a lot of respect for you for doing what a lot of other actors wouldn't do. Other than that, I think Huck would be terrible.

You were too easy on McCain and too harsh on Romney. I didn't understand why you meandered into Huckabee's financial status in an article about buyer's remorse. I found it telling that you would mention that Huckabee might have a cabinet or VP position offer to him.

Huck is out of cash, out of Evangelicals, out of street cred with the Right, and out of the last primary before super tuesday. The only thing he is IN, is trouble! I endorse him as McCain's attack dog and future vice president...there, I said it!

Good job on the article though, Chuck. I disagree with you, but I think its awesome that you stuck your neck out there.

Abortion
Rayfinn, it wasn't the law of the land Romney was up holding when him and his wife gave money to Planned Parenthood
And yes even, the President has to up hold the law on abortion until judges are in there to change it.

Abortion
Rayfinn, it wasn't the law of the land Romney was up holding when him and his wife gave money to Planned Parenthood
And yes even, the President has to up hold the law on abortion until judges are in there to change it.

Sorry I can't recant
Rayfinn, sorry but I seen the reports from the town records, there was a mistake made in the first newspaper print up about it back then.
George Romney wasn't even in town according to the records, and there was another march, but Martin Luther King wasn't there in that one.
People thought George Romney marched in that one also but, it was on a Sunday and George Romney due to his faith didn't march on a Sunday.

Another Thing About Thompson
Did anyone notice what he said?
"I hope that my Country and my party benefited from our( him & Jeri) having made this effort.

1. What effort?
2. How could anyone have benefited from what he did, other than in it to just take votes from Huckabee.

Most of all he made fools out of the people that sincerely thought he was being honest with them.
And they gave him votes, he knew he wasn't going to use.
This was cooked up with someone.
Shame on Fred Thompson!

Jewels
The Mormon church is against abortion as a church, but they also believe in the order of law. Romney's position was no different than Missouri's own John Ashcroft (Assembly of God I believe) when he said he was personally against abortion, but he would uphold the law of the land as US Attorney General.

Lastly, the truth of George Romney marching with Dr. King and also on behalf of in other marches has been disproved from various sources including photos. Here is one that actually includes Black eyewitnesses. You may wish to recant your statement on this issue.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7524.html

Responding To Buyers Remorse
I beg to differ...Thompson had no intention of running for president this was planned from the start to take votes from Huckabee in S.C. Thompson/McCain was long time friends in Washington and like the media I think Thompson is hoping for V.P.
Think back to Thompson's beginning...he was slow about getting in with the rest of the candiates.
Then he wouldn't really campaign, not until the S.C. debate did he act like he woke up and that was only to attack Mike Huckabee, on shutting down Gitmo and saying he was going against Bush.
The very next day it was in the news that,
Adm.Mike Mullens, Defense Secretary Of State Robert Gates and president Bush wanted to shut down Gitmo. Fred Thompson then the next day went on every FoxNews Show he could and tried to blast Mike Huckabee on something different he didn't know what he was talking about.
He only ran in S.C. and he went right behind Huckabee and lied about him and as soon as he found out McCain won, he took off and dropped out.
He accomplished what he set out to do. Fred Thompson is the one that bore false witness, not Huckabee. And for Romney, if you heard his so called Faith Speech" he said, " I will never depart from my church(beliefs) or the faith of my father.
Yet, Mormons have never believed in abortion, but,Romney when he ran in a liberal state was Pro-Choice (he left the faith when he did that)
Him and his wifes picture was in the paper giving to Planned Parenthood. Then when he decided to run as a Republican conservative he switched back to Pro-Life.
A change of heart I can understand but, Romney changed for a political agenda.
Also, he used a play on words, he said"I seen my father march with Martin Luther King" he didn't he was in France at the time. When the news called him on it he said,"I meant I seen it in my mind" Please give us a break here!
Also, they found out his father did not in fact march with Martin Luther King.

Rayfinn
Thank you. Thank you for your kindness, as well. I will thank God 'in my remembrance of you'.


Nobody has bought anything...
Nobody feels obligated to stay with any candidate at this stage of the game. Nothing proves that more than the replublican electorate. Look how much it has been swinging.

Unfortunately for Huck not much is swinging Huck's way lately. You can blame Romney's money if you want, but I think it comes down to the fact that you can't win the American population based on populist ideals surrounding a particular religion anymore. Huckabee has shown that he values religion more than faith, and that is a loosing combination in today's anti-religion environment.

So Chuck ... remember that even you're not obligated to stay with a loosing horse. Pick someone who values faith more than religion.

to USMC Lt. Thank You
When I read Talent Scout's description of Mitt's record, I thought, 'good grief' now, what or who? Thank you for taking the time to reply with your knowledge of the facts.

Respectfully,

Beth
Wow! What a nicely composed piece.So refreshing to read not only sincerity and passion but kindness and reason. I do find it strange those who assail Romney over his switch to pro life. Is that not what we pro lifers want people to do is see the light?
I am sure Paul had his skeptics when he came back converted and started preaching Christ.
I think it fine to maybe question the timing, but not the event itself. Otherwise we would have eliminated Regan as a suitable candidate. Keep up the good works.

"Buyer's Remorse"
Dear Chuck,
It is a privilege to be able to relay my highest regards and respect to you. I have your book, "Against All Odds" where it is quite visible. With that said, I must sadly, disagree with you. I was very seriously considering Mike Huckabee. I am a Baptist, and I am conservative. When Mike, made some statements about Fred Thompson that I perceived to be "bearing false witness", he lost me.I think Mike Huckabee willingly and knowingly distorted the truth with his "Foreign Agent" remarks. I no longer trust his integrity. He did not "do himself proud" by repeating it. If he will bend and stretch what he knows to be the truth of any issue, now, he will surely do it,again. I am not totally convinced of his convictions about illegal "immigrants",either. While Mitt Romney has changed his mind,he changed it for the better, and not too recently. I have had to change my mind with the candidates I have chosen. As you said, some might be too proud to admit if we are wrong, at first. But, it takes courage and maturity to change one's mind when one realizes their mistake.

Respectfully Submitted,

Let's examine Romney's record #3
Despite his recent appeal urging fund managers to divest in Iran, in 2007 Mitt earned in 200k in profits from investments in Iran and Sudan.

His defense, in part, is that these investments are part of a blind trust. When Kennedy used the same defense during their '94 Senate campaign, Romney called it "an age old ruse."

Adding insult to injury, when challenged Romney argued that any policy on divestment from Iran should be 'non-forward' and should not address past investments.

In other words, now that I've made mine, it's time to fix the system.

But this should come as nothing new. As Govener of Mass, Romney went on a campaign of closing tax loopholes for busisnesses. This of course AFTER he profitted greatly from such loopholes in his days as a corporate raider.

Romney = Offshore Tax Havens


Go Mitt Go!!!

I'm With You Chuck
Chuck, you are 100% right about Mike Huckabee. He had my vote from day one. I really liked how you handled Hannity, He calls himself Fair and Balanced...he has showed himself for what he really is.
Some of these people on here haven't a clue.
But, then if you like flip-floppers and liers, I guess that's why they go for Romney.
I will see Mike in St.Louis, Missouri.

At least Olbermann has something to say
There's only one candidate in this race, imho.

Ron Paul, or stay home and play Sudoku.

If 9ui11iani, Gott Mitt Uns, McCon, and the Huckster is the best we can do, Gott help us.

On sober second thought
Natalie Mains is FAR more credible.

Stick to the kicks and flicks.

Go back to the gym, Chuck
Alec Baldwin is more credible.

WOW!
The above compendium is a KEEPER!

It seems that Chuck's sentiments have not been shared by the overwhelming majority of responders.

Perhaps the latest polls showing that his Florida supporters have flipped to Mitt might send a message to Chuck that, perhaps, he should also flop onto the bandwagon of the winner...who SHARES his conservative values...and who LIVES them.

If supporting sound principles...
--
..is one's objective (either politically or as a matter of philosophy), the *ONLY* candidate worth a tinker's damn is Ron Paul.

As for Romney being "more conservative" than McCain (or Huckabee), that might be an acceptable assertion.

Kinda like saying that Charles Manson is "less psychotically murderous" than was John Wayne Gacy.

That still doesn't mean I want to see Charlie get paroled.

Or Mitt Romney in the White House.

--

Some of you might be for Romney
Do not call yourself a conservative or a republican if you support this liberal.

Call yourself what you are, a democrat acting like a republican.

Romney says:
"I can point to a very simple way to find out exactly where I stand, and that is look at my record as governor."

Really?

As governor, Mitt Romney issued an executive order forcing justices of the peace to perform homosexual weddings, or resign. Then he ordered marriage licenses changed to read "party A" and "party B" – instead of "husband" and "wife."

As governor, Romney appointed a board member of the Lesbian and Gay Bar Association to the bench, and appointed more Democrat judges than Republicans.

As governor, Romney authored and signed a mandatory heath insurance plan backed by Ted Kennedy – including taxpayer-funded abortion on demand.

As governor, Romney overruled his own health department and forced Catholic hospitals to distribute the morning after abortion pill.

Homosexual marriage?

Tax-funded abortions?

Catholic hospital morning after pills?

Homosexual activist judges?

"Look at my record as governor."


Janet Folger unveils TV ad taking Mitt's challenge to look at his record

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59931

USMC Lt.
You are so right! Fred did this country a real service exposing Huckahasbeen's Liberal underbelly. It is not an attack if it is true. As old Walter Brennan used to say on the Real McCoys "No brag ma'am, just fact".
Democrats and Liberals "cannot handle the truth".

My dad was a gyrine, so with respect I say Semper Fi!

Huckabee thinks a national
anti-smoking law is a good idea.

To me, this means he doesn't have a clue about the Constitution or the limits it places on the power of the President and the Federal Government.

That ALONE disqualifies him for office as far as I'm concerned. He sounds like a dangerous control freak.


Romney supporters go round the outside
Never direct in their support, Romney supporters only attack the others. A very slinky deal for a very slinky guy.

Big vocal minority
Are there any real posters here, or are there only activists?

I am a member of PETA, Pets Eatin Tastey Activists, and I can see there is a full meal deal around here. My dog will take a Rayfinn.

No but I play one on television
Lawman wannabe Norris endorses the Huckster.

Real Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio who put inmates in tents saying "if they are good enough for our troops, they are good enough for prisoners", endorses Romney.

Which one has dealt with the rules of law and order?

So hard to decide, so hard.

Out of your Element, Chuck
Better stick to the sticks and kicks, pal. Huckabee is a fraud, a hypocrite, and a sucker. He's toast.

The real Theocrat exposed
Huck is like Al Gore, another Elmer Gantry. What a panderer! His fanatics try to convince that Romney will be a Theocrat, but cannot see the Theocrat in their midst who lets out criminals because some minister says they found Jesus and won't do bad things anymore. Who has the record of their religion running their job? Maybe if the Huckster had made Chuck Norris parole officer, we would not have a poor raped and dead Missouri girl due to the Theocrat Mike's influence on the parole board.
Huckster held up an aid package to Katrina victims in Arkansas, because it had old established insurance language about "Acts of God" and he found it offensive. Yet Huckster stood silent as many Evangelicals said Katrina was God striking America for her sins. Now which way is it Mikey boy? Was God mad or was it acts of nature. Come on take a stand!!!!

That is a good one Chuck
Using Huckabee and integrity in the same sentence.I had to breathe into a sack to control the laughter. You have a great future ahead as a comedy writer, especially with the writers strike. Good luck in your new career!!

Huckabee is not a Jimmy Carter!!!
He is more like the Clintons. Arrogant destruction of state computer hard drives upon leaving office is obstruction of justice, plain and simple. He learned this from Bill and Hillary I presume.
The non partisan non profit Judicial watch has both Mike and Hillary sharing top 10 billing as most corrupt politicians of 2007.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list- washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007

If you did nothing wrong, Huckster, they why destroy the evidence that "supported" you and why sue the ethics comission, TWICE.
Carter was inept, but he was no crook!!!

Huck=Crook and Liar
One of four Pres. candidates(Hillary,Giuliani,Obama and Huckabee)who are crooks.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list- washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007

If he had no sins to hide, why in the name of Heaven did he destroy state computer hard drives (something NI other state would stand for). This is taxpayer owned property, obstruction of justice, destroying that which could prove his innocence OR PROVE HIS GUILT. Wonder which it was?

Then he besmirches the mother of a poor raped and murdered girl here in Missouri on national TV instead of owning up to his mistake like a man.
Statement from Lois Davidson, Mother of Killer's Victim, in Response to Governor Huckabee


"Last night, Mike Huckabee accused me of being exploited and used for political purposes. I assure you, Mr. Huckabee, I am not being exploited. I am fully aware of the actions I have taken in attempting to inform the public of your role in my daughter's rape and murder. I have spent over 7 years thinking about this.
"I am not a dupe. But you, Governor Huckabee, were duped time and again by convicted felons who once released from prison by you began hurting people again.
"Mr. Huckabee, I am not a victim. However, my daughter was a victim. She was raped and murdered by a serial rapist that you wanted freed from prison. Please be honest about the role you played in releasing my daughter's killer."

Huckabee's dismissal of Davis came during an interview on the Hannity and Colmes television program following a Republican debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C.
Mike why don't you send Chuck Noris to "shut her up"!

Huckabee and the Constitution
While I don't agree with his policy positions and wouldn't personally vote for him, I was very impressed by his populist message, and the fact that he became a contender by spreading his message around, not a lot of cash.

However, a candidate who advocates altering the Constitution to conform with their personal beliefs is not someone I want in the WH.

Yo Chuck,
Real deal here.

Did the job on Lt. for life, liar,fraud and traitor John F. Kerry back on the swiftboat blogs. We found all his fake awards and citations in the Texas Tech Vietnam arcivies.
I spent 2 and 1/2 years in the I-Corps. attached to operation igloowhite out putting sensors on the trails full of real VC, NVA, Russians, N.Koreans etal and could tell by reading the comm's from Kerry's boat, his after action reports that he was a liar and a fruad.

Now the trouble is you may have wasted your good brand name on another one who is not true.
I, taxfreekiller , call bs on your preacher boy Huckabee. I have been around the Baptist preachers all my life, grand dad being a decon and all, got to know lots of the affections of them, some as they sat on the front porch in the shade while my grandmother cleaned up the Sunday dinner dishs by herself as they worked grandad for more money for a better shiney car to go a preaching in. Huckabee is one of those, sorry.

Have a nice life, no hard feelings, but you sir have made a big mistake.

Firing People Can Be Fun
I don't mind someone firing government employees and cutting useless programs that are a waste of money. Anyone can go to the US government's official website and see all the programs and how they are rated. It shows which programs are worth the money. You don't have to be Mitt Romney to figure it out.

In many ways Romney sounds exactly like George W. Bush: Lower taxes for businesses, lower the income tax, less regulation, tort reform.
However, I'm suppossed to believe that Mitt Romney is going to accomplish what GWB, his cabinet, team of advisers, the entire Republican Party in Congress with their advisers (many of whom are successful business people) have been unable to accomplish in eight years.

My question is this: If an insider cannot get insiders to do these things, how is an outsider supposed to get insiders to do these things?

What is needed is leadership, and neither Romney, Giuliani, nor McCain have demonstrated that quality on these matters.

Only one candidate demonstrated consistently an ability to reach across party lines and accomplish shared goals without compromising conservative values. No one who has actually researched the candidates records, without their opponents' hype, can come to another conclusion.

Mike Huckabee is that candidate.

Now with regard to John McCain. His problem is not independents and Reagan Democrats, it is Republicans. Duncan Hunter's endorsement of Huckabee was a reminder to conservatives that Huckabee is no John McCain.

Not only does Huckabee appeal to independents and Reagan Democrats, but he is the candidate of choice of a conservative's conservative. He is a pro-life, pro-military, anti-amnesty Republican, who does not consider lower, middle, and upper class voters to be a mutually exclusive proposition.
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