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Wednesday, May 07, 2008
Chuck Colson :: Townhall.com Columnist
'Crime' and Ethanol
by Chuck Colson
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Biofuels are one of the major reasons you and I are paying more for groceries these days. For most of us, it is just an inconvenience. For many around the world, however, it is a catastrophe. Last week, United Nations Special Investigator Jean Ziegler called the use of biofuels, such as ethanol, a “crime against a great part of humanity.”

In the past, global food crises were sparked by natural disasters and bad harvests. What makes this food crisis a crime against humanity is: We caused it. And like many man-made problems, this one can be traced to our false worldview.

Here in the United States, egg prices are up 35 percent; milk up 23 percent; and bread up 16. For most Americans, who on average spend 10 percent of their income on food, these increases squeeze our budgets.

But for the “great part of humanity” Ziegler talks about, it is a lot worse. In countries like Ethiopia and Bangladesh, people can spend 70 percent of their income on food; so even modest increases in food prices can impair their ability to feed their families. And price increases for the staples they depend on have not been modest: Wheat prices have doubled and corn prices quadrupled in the last year.

Rising food prices are causing social instability. According to the World Food Program, “33 countries in Asia and Africa face political instability as the urban poor struggle to feed their families”—which is why the president and Congress are talking now about increasing aid to these countries.

While the rise in food-staple prices has many causes, as Ziegler noted, one of them is definitely man-made: the use of cropland and food-staples to produce bio-fuels such as ethanol. He called “transforming hundreds and hundreds of thousands of tons” of foodstuffs into fuel “absolutely catastrophic for the hungry people.”

Look at it this way: It takes 510 pounds of corn to make 13 gallons of ethanol; that amount could “feed a child in Zambia or Mexico for a year,” while it fuels your car only for a week!

Ziegler is not alone; the IMF (International Monetary Fund) has raised grave concerns, and Secretary of State Rice recently spoke of the “unintended consequence from the alternative fuels’ effort.”

What is maddening about this is that the biofuel effort is fueled by politicians handing out massive subsidies to the farm belt and pandering to glassy-eyed environmentalists. Every presidential hopeful who participated in the Iowa caucuses had to sing the praises of ethanol. That is why John McCain stayed away, because he opposes the subsidies.

Now, I am all for farmers making money on their crops. They deserve it. But no politician with a shred of integrity can deny that it is more important to feed a child in Zambia for a year than to feed your car for a week. And—as if I need to remind you—this is an election year, so ask your candidates where they stand on this tragic political folly. And call your members of Congress to tell them how you feel.

A properly informed worldview is the key here. Two non-Christian worldviews have merged to bring about this crisis: one that sees maintaining political power as an end in itself, and one that sees the environment as our chief concern, even at the expense of humans.

We Christians insist on the proper use of government: that is, to restrain evil and promote justice. And we believe in proper environmental stewardship. But we insist that people, especially the poor, must come first.

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Chuck Colson was the Chief Counsel for Richard Nixon and served time in prison for Watergate-related charges. In 1976, Colson founded Prison Fellowship Ministries, which, in collaboration with churches of all confessions and denominations, has become the world's largest outreach to prisoners, ex-prisoners, crime victims, and their families.
 
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Read Cliff May
Chuck, perhaps you can read other articles from fellow columnists on this very site. Cliff May disagrees with you. See:

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/CliffMay/2008/05/01/the_ hunger

May wrote: "the total U.S. corn crop has increased 45% since 2002. The amount of corn available for food and feed has increased 34 percent --- after the part used for ethanol has been taken out."

Seems as though cost of fuel and rising standard of living in China and India are having a huge effect on demand and on prices. Even so, it seems foolish to subsidize ethanol from corn. Get rid of the tariffs on Brazilian sugar and the subsidies for corn and let the market provide ethanol as cheaply as it can - at least until we can make ethanol from all that switch grass!

Your numbers are way off!
510 pounds of corn to make 13 gallons of ethanol? Not likely. That corn would make 24 gallons. 13 gallons of ethanol would require 280 pounds.
But the argument about starving children in Zambia is a specious as the mother's "Eat your oatmeal. There are children starving in China...or Armenia...or Biafra."

GreenDay
"The amount of corn available for food and feed has increased 34 percent --- after the part used for ethanol has been taken out."

Unless I'm misstaken, I believe that's mostly for animal consumption, not human.

Crime and Ethanol
To produce ethanol from corn is, no coubt, a terrible mistake, a hare-brained idea that was made possible by Archer Midland's intense lobby with the not very bright politicians.
It takes 1 gallon of oil to produce 1.3 gallons of ethanol, from corn and ethanol being about 1/3 less efficient, the result is, at best, a trade of 1 to 1 after all the effort and expense of producing it.
From sugar cane Brazil is getting approximately 8.5 gallons of ethanol to 1 gallon of oil, the cost is far lower and it does reflect significantly at the gas pumps in Brazil.
Chicken Little - like people such as Colson don't seem to bother with doing their home work nor getting their figures right.
The cost of highly mechanized crops such as grains is mostly due to the high cost of fuel. It takes oil based fertilizers, pesticides, diesel fuel (preparing the soil, planting, spraying, harvesting transporting, processing and distribution) to produce corn, wheat, soybeans, rice etc.
The high cost of these commodities can be directly traced to the high cost of oil. The result is widely seen about a year later. The $ 120.00 per barrel is yet to be incorporated into next years grain prices.

Hold On A Minute, Chuckie
Chuckie wrote:"We Christians insist on the proper use of government." What's with the WE thing. As listed with your info, you "served time in prison for Watergate-related charges..." Does that help to define a political Christian? Lastly, as others have commented, you are a little short on facts and a little late on recommendations to the greatest show on earth -- the current and last president and the merry band of congressional thieves.

Egon writes
The high cost of these commodities can be directly traced to the high cost of oil. The result is widely seen about a year later. The $ 120.00 per barrel is yet to be incorporated into next years grain prices.

___________
Sir in all Due respect a Bushel of Corn subdized at (51 cent a bushel .
30 months ago was $ 2.62 . So that 5 bushels of Corn per gallon is over $2.50 out of our tax money !!!!!!
Today corn a bushel it is $ 5.61 because of Supply and demand(Govt regulation) and we only use 10 % of ethanol in a gallon of gas but it takes 1.1 gallons of Oil to make that damn gallon of Gas .
A Gallon of Gas is STILL cheaper than 12 oz bottled water , tea or a Cup of Joe .
Corn converted to Gas when all the the comparatives are in : Corn gas is
$ 26.71 a Gallon while Gas from 7000 miles away , refined there and sent all over America IN TANKERS to service stations after profits is far cheaper .
Economically this is complete insanity .

Egon
From the little I have read on it, I am not a fan of corn-based ethanol either.

I read where fuel from sugarcane based ethanol is more efficient than that from corn.

I doubt even sugarcane based ethanol is as efficient a fuel as gasoline.


We used to be exhorted to...

"put a tiger in your tank." Now it seems to be a case of "Put a Bangladeshi baby...."

Ethanol, schmethanol -- it's a boondoggle, and an expensive one at that.

That being said, the United States *DOES* need to develope olternate sources of fuel. How and what kinds of fuel I have no idea, but surely scientista should we working on the problem.




Gore to back away from biofuels?

Food crisis forcing Gore to back away from biofuels?
Starving the poor to reduce greenhouse gas emmissions?

NYSun: The campaign against climate change could be set back by the global food crisis, as foreign populations turn against measures to use foodstuffs as substitutes for fossil fuels…One factor being blamed for the price hikes is the use of government subsidies to promote the use of corn for ethanol production. An estimated 30% of America’s corn crop now goes to fuel, not food.

Ethanol was initially promoted as a vehicle for America to cut back on foreign oil. In recent years, biofuels have also been touted as a way to fight climate change, but the food crisis does not augur well for ethanol’s prospects. “It takes around 400 pounds of corn to make 25 gallons of ethanol,” Mr. Senauer, also an applied economics professor at Minnesota, said. “It’s not going to be a very good diet but that’s roughly enough to keep an adult person alive for a year.”

Mr. Senauer said climate change advocates, such as Vice President Gore, need to distance themselves from ethanol to avoid tarnishing the effort against global warming. “Crop-based biofuels are not part of the solution. They, in fact, add to the problem. Whether Al Gore has caught up with that, somebody ought to ask him,” the professor said. “There are lots of solutions, real solutions to climate change. We need to get to those.”

However, the scientist who shared the Nobel Peace Prize with Mr. Gore, Rajendra Pachauri of the United Nations’s Intergovernmental Panel of Climate Change, has warned that climate campaigners are unwise to promote biofuels in a way that risks food supplies.

read more

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/food-crisis-forcin g-gore-to-back-away-from-biofuels

THanks for all you do Chuck.
Starving children what could make the Sierra Club happier? Hasn't that been the goal of environmentalists since the 60's. Isn't that why abortion was legalized? To stem the Malthusian catastrophe. Colson is right. Feed the children with the corn. And it is an inefficient fuel.

Blame EPA (government)
EPA demanded oxygenated fuels for clean air.

Many oil companies used MBTE as it was a product they could make from crude oil.

Other companies, like Texaco, used ethanol in the mid-west.

MBTE was found to pollute ground water and was banned forcing all oxygenated fuels to use ethanol.

But, the capacity to produce ethanol was not adequate and, of course, subsidies were rolled in as well.

Once again, government's meddling with economies have unintended consequences.

Blame socialism
Socialism is starving people in Africa. Zimbabwe used to feed itself and export food.

DPRK (North Korea) can't feed itself.

If all farmers around the world were as efficient as US farmers and, imagine if you will, all government subsidies disappeared for all ag products.

There would be no food shortages because of price.

Subsidies
I'm glad to hear at least one presidential candidate opposes corn subsidies.

TeeHall short on facts
TeeHall,

I found your chastisement of Mr. Colson for not having good facts kind of funny, because you obviously did not check on him much.

The reason the Chuck Colson went to jail was because he confessed to the crimes. The reason that he confessed to the crime is that he had recently become a Christian after Watergate. If you read more about him you would realize that he never claimed to be a Christian during Watergate, and that he is a different man than he was then. Since that time he has founded an international prison ministry, that ministers to both the prisoners and their families. Furthermore, he has a significant voice within the evangelical Christian community, and has advised Presidents and congressmen.

There may be conflicting numbers about ethanol (Colson had to get his numbers from somewhere right?), but your claims about Colson obviously come from ignorance of the facts of his life.

Ethanol
Most of you people have missed some important facts involving ethanol & biofuels. Ethanol & BioFuels in are in general and in the specifics are all scams. Using food for fuel is stupidity squared.

Switchgrass my butt. I do Process Instrumentation / Controls Engineering for a living and ethanol & biofuels is a crock of crap. Only an idiot believes physics, math and chemistry can be swayed by propaganda or politics.

Ethanol has a "BTU Value" 30% less than gasoline. It takes 5 quarts of gasoline to produce 4 quarts of ethanol. Ethanol has a "Ground Water Contamination Factor" dozens of times higher than gasoline and is almost impossible to decontaminate/retrieve from the environment. The typical "Energy Return" for a biofuel won't even pay for the biofuels production costs and pollution recovery costs; much less provide a marketable fuel source. Ethanol in particular causes early engine failure when used as a fuel additive.

The "magic bullet", if you want to call it that, is Liquid Natural Gas as a vehicle fuel. The technology has been in use in the U.S. for 80 years. Almost any gasoline/diesel fueled engine can be converted to burn LNG for around $1500.00. New vehicle costs would go down drastically; no half-fasst pollution controls required. Price per gallon = about $2.00. MPG = about the same as gasoline.

There is sufficient untapped NG, inside the U.S., to run every vehicle in on the road today for a couple of hundred years. Bingo - no need to waste food products, no need to put up with the ethanol/biofuels scams and no dependence on OPEC. Do the research.

Dwain Cleveland

Promoting a myth
This entire debate is out of hand and filled with illogical conclusions based on what can only be intentional lies or gross ignorance. No one in the US eats yellow corn. Rest of the world pretty much the same - it's not a staple.
Other than processing to make Coke's and other surgar rich products with corn sweeteners, it's food only for livestock. And, post ethanol production, a large percentage of the corn as a by-product is still fed to livestock. (No waste)
Also, corn is only grown in areas that make it practically profitable. For the most part, you can't grow corn on wheat or rice land. So there is no diversion of human food production acres to yellow corn. Most of the acres planted to corn now, and the last 20 yrs., have ALWAYS been planted to yellow corn - for animal feed.
Somebody's lying and a lot of people are buying the lies. None of the stories make any sense if you know ANYTHING about agriculture... which of course very few people do these days. Need some serious research into this and some honest, accurate reporting.
It all reminds me of the standard "everybody panic" approach businesses sometimes use to boost sales/profits. I.e...a suggestion of shortages, combined with ignorant & exploitive media chicken littles, mean big bucks for those with the goods.
mike

Regardless, He's Right
I work in food, and the packers and growers I talk to say the following:

1) Increasing prices in corn (due to ethanol) and wheat (due to shortages elsewhere in the world) are driving up the cost of ACREAGE. It simply costs more to pay a farmer to grow anything because they have more options.

2) Oil. Transportation is crazy expensive and it's driving up prices.

3) Weak dollar. The asparagus grown in China and the raspberries from South America are more likely to go to Europe than America, because the Euro is stronger than the dollar.

4) A growing Asian middle class. There's more demand now than there was 5 years ago, which inflates the price of pretty much everything.

What drives me absolutely crazy is that the solutions are so painfully obvious but the left is so completely and totally blind to them. Drill for oil, build more refineries, discontinue Ethanol subsidies, build Nuclear power plants. These solutions would drastically change the global economy and the government wouldn't have to spend a dime, private enterprise is chomping at the bit to do it for us.

Nuclear Power
Nuclear power was always the answer to our energy needs. Unfortunately we Americans get sensationalized far too easily. Three Mile Island, while the result of a comedy of errors, was never near the Chernobyl-style disaster the anti-Nuclear power people want to believe.

Had Jane Fonda not starred in "The China Syndrome" and Ralph Nader not campaigned against it, we would be near the French in getting the majority of our power from nuclear power plants. The French get 75%+ of their power from nuclear energy. They also recycle their nuclear fuel so they do not have a waste problem. The majority of French people don't think nuclear power is a bad thing, unlike here...

Recycling waste back into fissionable material is banned here in the US as being "too dangerous". So, the government has wasted BILLIONS of dollars at Yucca Mountain to store the waste that should be recycled into fuel.

Add to this the major car companies passed on developing electric cars (except GM with its EV-1 car) because gas was cheap and executives thought electric cars would be a waste of money. The EV-1 program was mistakenly stopped but is being restarted as the "Volt" program.

So, had we not stopped nuclear power production and continued to develop electric cars, thousands of people would have jobs, products would be produced here, there would be no food crisis or high prices.

End It All!
Go Nuke! Open up Alaska! Permit off-shore drilling! Allow an oil refinery to be built in America for the first time in over two decades!

To Incite Hate of the US Std of Living
If you ask me, I think this whole "biofuels v food for the poor" conflict was set up & hypped up specifically to whip up even more 3rd World angst & animousity against the US, just like Bozo Gore the Yassir Arafat Peace Prize Winner incites phoney anti-US hate by blaming typhoons & droughts on "global warming" created by the US.

The "world community" will hate us for using 'their' food in our SUV's.

Oh, & also it enriches Archer Daniels Midland & folks in Iowa in an election yr.

I honestly think if & when we did get a large # of ethanol powered autos, somehow or other e.g. activist lawsuit we'd turn around & pull the plug on them & flush the vast investment we made in the stuff.

Good point marjon: real hunger problem is socialism & lack of free enterprise/pvt property. Notice China & India never get blamed for demand & consumption.

Re nukes: Don't forget Jimmy Carter the bogus "nuclear engineer" who killed reprocessing & new plants. Definitely we need to be building nukes TODAY.

Wave, wind, & earth-based solar energy has problems incl environmental. What about the shade behind the collectors? What about the wind dying, birds hitting the blades, effects of wave collectors on the tidal margin? As soon as we invest in those things, the greenies will sue to shut them down (Already happened w/ windmills in CA I understand)

The basic need is for VAST amounts of cheap energy available to convert into fuel, even to extract CO2 out of the air & reduce it to fuels if that's a problem. The sun wastes billions of times the power we could ever conceive of using & wasting on Earth even if everybody everywhere went to a US std of living & left their lights on alla time.

It's time to quit thinking in terms of rationing & apportioning & doing without.

And in a few short sentences...
Sam says it all.

BioFuel
I don't care about people starving in 3rd world nations. I'm 65 and, for as long as I can remember, people have been staring in 3rd world countries. What that suggests to me is, there is something wrong with the way 3rd world countries run their affairs.

The United States has been around for 230 years. In that time, US citizens have built a "FREE MARKET" economy that provides an abundance of food and hardware to anyone willing to participate. "Participate" means:
1)— "get an education" and contribute to the economy 2)— by doing "profitable work"!

Our democratic form of government provides a hospitable environment for the above listed activities.

On the other hand, the totalitarians regimes that govern the 3rd world countries have been around for several thousand years and they STILL can't get the "economics thing" to work because of their "GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED ECONOMIES"!

Let the starving millions starve. I don't care! Stupidity has its consequences!


Colson's reasoning
If this article is a sample of Colson's reasoning, I have to believe that his time in the slammer did his brain cells no favor.

Also, I would guess that the efficiency of ethanol depends more on the writers political leaning than on any scientific certainty.

A Snake Biting its Tail
The push for bio-fuels in the United States is primarily the result of the global warming hoax. One of the chief proponents of this hoax is the United Nations and its "Kyoto" type ruse to extort greater portions of U.S. wealth and drive down our economy.

It is ironic then, that the same entity that is so determined to ween America from carbon fuels is the same one now pointing the finger at our compliance, as a major reason for what appears to be a rising food crisis in third world nations.

As pointed out in other posts to this article, at this point, bio-fuels are a zero sum game, it takes about the same amount of carbon fuel to produce a similar quantity of bio-fuel.

While we gain little from our acquiescence to the "green freaks," our oh-so-caring intentions have caused other food producing nations to cut back on exports, reducing supply to poor importing nations. We are already seeing the United Nations put the squeeze on the U.S. for more aid to starving nations. So, damned if we do and damned if we don't, nothing we do will result in commendation from this corrupt body.

In the mean time, we dutifully comply with whatever scam is perpetrated on us as we justify the moratorium on our own oil and natural gas, witness absolute fear mongering at nuclear energy and then wallow in guilt at the stories of world's hungry. Is there no hope for this hoop snake in free roll down hill?

Check out my
latest blog NO FOOD FOR OIL. Great parody based on Jimmy Crack Corn.

Better yet: Bookmark my blog and start your day with a song.
http://mrspaddy.blogtownhall.com/default.aspx

Dan -excuse me.
Your president is now proposing measures to reduce global warming. He's the same "president" that told his political hack to alter scientific studies so as to become meaningless.

You're a little behind the times. No one is seriously denying that there's a problem.

And as far as Chucky, here, convicted Felon (do you cons like felons?), here's a quote from the todays Corn market survey:

"Traders already see ending stocks being cut by close to 50% this year due to strong demand and lower planted area. If US producers are unable to add to the intentions to plant just 86 million acres due to wet weather and if yield happens to come in at last year's level of 151.1 bushels per acre, US corn production would come in near 11.9 billion bushels as compared with total usage for the 2007/08 season at 13.11 billion bushels."

Let me emphasize the words :Lower planted area.

If ethanol was causing the high prices, one would expect that higher planted areas would result.

In fact, other commodity prices are in a "boom" market. That is caused by this government lowering taxes and starting a war which it is not paying for.

Another factor. China stopped selling grain. Oops. Are they running out of food? Did we Lefties and environmentalists predict this (remember the "Population Bomb" )

Colson should go back to jail and stop blathering about that which he didn't learn from the Criminal gang he still works for: the neo-con sub-government: the "strong conservative" government, so called by George Will. The fascists, as the civilized world knows them.

Unlimited Free Energy
There is an inexhaustible energy source all around us. The magnetic field of the Earth can be tapped for FREE Electricity, using technology from Nicolai Tesla, using, [what else], Tesla Coils. The reason you don't know about this, is, it doesn't suite the "Powers That Be", and I'm not talking about the 'Dog and Pony Show', we call the U.S. Govt.! the Earth Radiates Electricity. It's even been covered on the History Channel. Look up the Govt. "Weather Control" experiment called "Project HARP", also covered on the History Channel! I can't believe this got by the Censors. We could run everything on Free Electricity, with a Tesla Coil antennae on vehicles, using electric engines, instead of internal combustion. The Govt, and Power Companies, Big Oil, etc. do not want you to know this. For obvious reasons. Without Big Oil,Coal, Nuke,etc, the economy would Collapse!! Auto companies would have to completely Re-Tool, at great expense. This technology has been around since the '20s. Using Food for fuel is the most ridiculous thing ever heard of, but the graduates of the Govt. Schools, will "GO FOR ANYTHING". It's in the Paper [TV] It MUST BE TRUE! All you disbelievers , Check ME OUT, look up anything on "Nicolai Tesla", and you'll find the TRUTH! BTW, there is a Log Cabin Home Builder, in Fl. on a State Hi-way, about 50 miles from the "Sovereign Nation Of Disney", and it's surrounding slum, called Orlando, that has been using Free Electricity from Tesla Coils, for Many Years. The man, of necessity, keeps this under wraps!! [understandibly]Think about this, when a "Whopper", goes to $10. Remember, that Al Gore, the Oil Cos., the Govt.et. al, have KNOWN about this for 90 or so, YEARS!! Energy Crisis my----!!

Free Electricity
Tesla Coils, Nicolai Tesla. Look It UP!! No need for Biofuels, oil, solar, tidal, geo-thermal, wind etc. been around 90 or so years. The govt, and it's allies have this technology. It's even been on the History Channel. "Project Harp".

Talking Points
I don't know whether to be thankful or annoyed at the predictable talking point arguments from those on the left posting on this site. The plain truth is, diversion of a food crop to a fuel commodity has sparked at a minimum a rise in every commodity that uses corn as a base. From feed grain to plastics and adhesives, the price has risen as a result of increase in the price of corn on the speculation market.

That liberals continue to defend a program that at this point has the potential to cause a problem of global proportions. That fact alone is testimony to fealty to an agenda irrespective to the damage it may cause.

ReCon-USMC
I don't know where you buy your 12 oz. bottles of water but as you leave you should feel something hit your @$$....your change. the cost of bottled water-12oz is about 1.00 to 1.20 per bottle here in Ohio. Bottled Tea is a slight bit more at about 1.25 to 1.50.

Wildmann
I will be interested in looking into that.

It seems surprising that more people haven't taken that seriously.

But I certainly, know how that works, when an idea threatens to destroy a majority of our assumptions.

Dan what about Soybeans?
What about Wheat? what about Gold? What about Oil? Is corn responsible for driving up all those commodity prices?

Now, take a breath. I know you will try to attack me, my belief in the U.S. constitution, my ignorance, then my elitism (once you find out I attended Amherst College and Cal and have a Masters degree from UC Davis) but take a breath and answer the question.

Is the use of Corn based ethanol as a replacement for gasoline, responsible for the tripling of Crude oil prices?

End subsidies, let the consumer decide
Here we go again. Gas is too expensive, so subsidize ethanol production. E-85 is artificially cheaper than gas, and blended gasoline is proportionally cheaper, so ethanol demand rises and corn prices rise. Corn is now the money crop, so more acres are planted. Wheat acres are transformed into corn acres, so there is less wheat. Wheat demand stays the same so wheat prices go up. Other crop acreage is transformed into the higher priced grains, so we will see other crop items change as well. Eventually, the entire crop-based market will re-stabilize to adjust for the subsidies on ethanol, leaving the prices for all crop items higher. Cotton clothing, vegetables, bread, eggs, and meat will all rise in compensation for ethanol subsidies.

This domino effect is so predicable, but we seem surprised every time it happens. The solution is to stop using our tax dollars to skew the market—let things settle at their own natural price (supply and demand) and allow the consumer to choose.

EXPOSING THE SCAM
It is becoming more evident with each passing day, we, the U.S. citizens and mny across this planet are being horibly conned by blatantly dishonest politicians and those teamed up with government to control profit, taxes and policy. Ethanol is but on of the schemes brewing, there is the great environmental hoax and consistent meddling with economic conditions to induce shortages which a year ago did not exist.

Does anyone doubt this ethanol supplement was not cooked up to accomodate large agbiz conglomerates? The way it was all of a sudden decided that this was mankinds best hope to an energy crisis that does not have to exist in this country or other free nations. Boom, there it was, little proof, minimal research reports, supressed reports and no real scientific proof it had to be done this way but lots of plans to raise cost, profits and taxes were well in the making. This is now being countered and it's slow going, I really do hope this exposure results in a lot of con artist going to jail and the government being sued for complicity.

HAMMER'EM LONG AND HARD MAKE PAY! KEEP IT UP FOLKS, IT'S YOUR BEST HOPE.

ethanol and food supply
I was thinking about this and as a Canadian i have a thought that some others may not. Canada fo many years loaned (gave) money to many countries to buy our wheat and other grains, we are still giving them money but there will be no grain to buy. The Bible says something about that, having all the wealth but unable to buy anything.

Wildmann Correction:
Sorry Guys, the spelling of the project is HAARP, [Ask.com-Tesla array/Alaska],Tesla Patented almost all of the Edison/Westinghouse electric companies innovations/inventions at the turn of the century, starting in 1886, [or so]. His research was smeared, by Edison,[I can't imagine WHY??] and he was discredited! His technology could free us, and the world from the Oil/Energy Cartels!!

Wildmann Correction:
Sorry Guys, the spelling of the project is HAARP, [Ask.com-Tesla array/Alaska],Tesla Patented almost all of the Edison/Westinghouse electric companies innovations/inventions at the turn of the century, starting in 1886, [or so]. His research was smeared, by Edison,[I can't imagine WHY??] and he was discredited! His technology could free us, and the world from the Oil/Energy Cartels!!

Mike
New hybrids have been developed to allow the growing of corn in areas farther north. In the upper midwest, some acreage has gone from wheat production to corn production because of higher profitability and lower risk.

Also, some people do eat yellow corn. I always use white cornmeal and have never seen grits that weren't white, but yellow corn is fine if it's picked when young and tender. When I lived in the north, there were some really sweet yellow varieties farmers sold at roadside stands.

Ethanol production only makes sense for companies like ADM and their lobbyists.

Good Point
Chuck is right on with this article!! We are spending tons of money to create biofuels and hurting our food supply, for what?? To avoid tapping into our own oil? I mean Alaska alone has more Known oil than all of Iraq and we are spending billions a week to protect Iraqs oil stash! This whole biofuel instead of drilling here in the USA just reeks of Gov't BS!! I hope McCain truly has the back bone to open ANWAR and other Known oil fields in the USA. Heck if their are Oil Fields in my back yard come offer me fair market value and you can have it!!!

IMPEACH HOWARD DEAN
Democrat Party in total disarray

Imposed Primary Process disenfranchises voters from BigShot back office AutoCrat PowerCrats that dictate policy in StarChamber secrecy.

DEMOCRATS UNITE - IMPEACH HOWARD DEAN

Reaganite
You should try some of the bi-color varieties.Sugar sweet brand comes to mind. Excellent eating. I'm surprised you don't know of them or the others that are eaqually good.

Worst problem is...
...typical of anything the government does, once it gets started there's no stopping it.

The gummint, both parties, have beaten this "Ethanol Is Our Salvation" drum so loud it can't be silenced.

How many government programs have you heard of that once they were shown failed were stopped then and there? Yeah, me either.

The checks are being written, grants being granted, tax breaks handed out, subsides being payed by taxpayers, palms being greased, studies being paid for...it's turned into a creature all of its own and will be near impossible to stop.

The bottom line is that if ethonal and other biofuels were viable the government would never need to get involved until people started complaining about the huge profits being made. And I ain't heard that complaint yet.

We're fools.
People (usually right wingers) ridiculed making ethanol from corn at least as far back as 1997, saying it required more energy to produce than it yielded. It was a slam dunk argument. The only thing
they seemed to always skip was showing
a basic mathmatical accounting of the energy inputs.

But it seems all sources now agree that corn ethanol is a net energy loss. So back in the 90's, somebody's farmer grandpop probably mentioned this net loss energy point one day over breakfast, and that's how the right wing crowd must have got wind of it, at least. But he didn't have time to write down the numbers then, and later kept a poker face when corn went in price, and no renewable energy eco-nuts knew a thing about corn farming all along.

However, I think all it would have taken to avoid this madness was those numbers in clear view. If farm kids
can't write down a mathematical equation, and eco-nuts don't know a
thing about corn farming, and neither will really talk to the other, well... here we are.
have been nice if they could at least try to talk to each other more.

The market would sort this out
... a lot better. A combination of factors is making the price of oil, and gas at the pump, go up. Even without ethanol mandates -- which are already having a price-boosting effect -- prices would be increasing. It's not just demand, it's political restrictions on supply, it's a maxing out of cost-effective industrial infrastructure (which keeps even authorized supply streams from increasing to meet demand), and it's also the fact that future oil will be increasingly costly to pump. As time goes by, the price of oil will have to go up even further, to make it cost-effective to keep bringing it to the consumer.

But none of this had to force world food prices up as dramatically as they have been. The "dirigiste" approach to mandating industrial objectives and consumer choices is what has done that. Government biofuels policy has not only accelerated the upward push on fuel prices from other factors, it has distorted the grain market and made food production inputs more expensive across the board.

Only government policy can achieve such collateral damage. As another poster noted, policy has now created a new subsidized constituency. It would be an act of political heroism to undo this subsidy category, of a kind the US Congress has yet to undertake. Ag subsidies neither die nor fade away; they remain in perpetual motion in a frictionless environment.

Without ethanol mandates, we'd be paying more for gas today than we did in 2005, but not as much more. And poor people's dinner wouldn't have to compete with ethanol crops for the use of farmers' fields.

Just stop the lies.
Alaska alone has more Known oil than all of Iraq

Where do you get this stuff
Is that what Fox news told you: More oil in alaska than Iraq? Try about 6 bbls in Alaska and proven oil reserves in Iraq 110 bbls. With Prudhoe tapped out (BP won't even explore any more there) proven reserves in Anwar wiegh in at a hefty 4 bbl. What glue are you guys sniffing?

I guess you idiots are happy if you see it on "the news". But you forget that Fox is a state-run propaganda source. With Karl Rove working for Fox, is there any doubt of that?

The Simplest Solution
Export Price for a bushel of wheat = The Price for a barrel of oil.

The Food Shortage is a myth, at least in the US. Food prices increasing in the US are a direct result of the cost of oil. We can divert export food to biofuel production and force the price of oil down by taking a hard line.

Let them eat crude oil.

The_Shadow
Your idea is good in principle but bad in fact. This would take even more government intervention. Or the farmers would now own all the oil.

In Principle
The_Shadow's proposal has merit. At some point, a world expectant on the United States as its food basket needs to respect our contribution instead of expecting it. We are a people of hope and caring however, so such will never be the case. As for trughes, what a sad but typical example of liberal disconnect.

I Told You So!
I've argued for fifteen years against bio-fuel schemes as a potential solution to the oil crisis. The process results in a net loss, and the diversion of livestock feed [corn, soybeans, and switch grass] was certain to drive up the cost of domestic foods [forgetting any potential "obligation" to world hunger]. Unfortunately, the general public smokes the same incomprehensible, irrational, and emotional dope as WildMann...!!! God Save America...and PLEASE Hurry!

Jim-Too


You cons think there's a free market?
Do any of you know what Earl Butz did in 1972? He single-handedly turned the entire price support system into a massive benefit program for large farmers. He gave subsidies to every acre planted. That lowered the price of corn for 30 years so that the return on corn land was less than during the depression years.

That was Republican policy. It benefited the large land owners because with low prices a small farmer couldn't survive.

I love the comments (they are childishly innocent, so their cute) about getting the government out of the economy. Do you have any idea how powerful the effect of monetary policy is on the economy. I would like one of you to tell me how you would avoid that little pitfall to your fantasies.

The shadow's idea is great. Set a fixed price on wheat. Wonderful. But you forget that our LOW prices of corn have destroyed farming economies around the world for 30 years. I was asked to Consult in China in 1997. The grain trading Company that toured me around for a month told me they were building a chicken processing plant in Kentucky. Why, I, innocently asked. China must be able to produce cheaper corn that us. No. Cheapest Corn in the world!

So, you think we've been doing the world a favor - wrong. We've been scr**ed for the last 30 years just like we have for the last seven. Only leading our country into criminal war is a little worse. Republicans are scum.

I think
trughes just lost his "cool." Certain to have an adverse effect on golbal warming I'm sure.

I told you so
Well, true enough, there are some
rednecks out there like Jim who spoke the truth and can now finally say "I told you so". However, it's easy to see why no one listened to them: not enough math and too much attitude.

But no worries. We live in an ocean
of energy, with many more practical sources of renewable power than corn ethanol, which, by the way, never was much of a big hit with the irrational dope smoking people anyway, at least not with the people who were experts in renewable energy. The poeple may have been clueless, but it was the heartland states that really pushed this stuff, wasn't it?


Raise as much food as possible...
It's a good idea for everybody who can raise any of their own food to do so. Farmers are doing as well as they can with their cost of production & getting food to market going up. 'Leftover' corn from the production of ethanol can be used for livestock feed. This way, farmers could get feed & ethanol from their corn crop. Raise a garden & a flock of chickens if you're able to do that. I don't see food costs coming down sooner than the cost of diesel used by tractors whether corn is used for ethanol production or not. Farmers need fuel or there won't be any food produced. Those people in Zambia or Mexico should raise gardens to keep their families fed! Cost of transporting food that far would be more expensive than food being transported. Food needs to be raised close to where it will be eaten & might be cheaper for people to afford it.

PRESIDENTIAL MOROTORIUM
A President being "presidential" would immediately declare a moratorium on the mis-allocation and distribution of food crop staples being diverted away from the food chain.

Simultaneously, instruct Congress to write legislation to encourage and reward mechanical science to develop and formulate alternative means of auto-transportation.

Tortilla Riots around the world will hurt the US image overseas.

HydrogenProduction
Most of you people have missed some important facts involving ethanol & biofuels. Ethanol & BioFuels in are in general and in the specifics are all scams. Using food for fuel is stupidity squared.

Switchgrass my butt. I do Process Instrumentation / Controls Engineering for a living and ethanol & biofuels is a crock of crap. Only an idiot believes physics, math and chemistry can be swayed by propaganda or politics.

Ethanol has a "BTU Value" 30% less than gasoline. It takes 5 quarts of gasoline to produce 4 quarts of ethanol. Ethanol has a "Ground Water Contamination Factor" dozens of times higher than gasoline and is almost impossible to decontaminate/retrieve from the environment. The typical "Energy Return" for a biofuel won't even pay for the biofuels production costs and pollution recovery costs; much less provide a marketable fuel source. Ethanol in particular causes early engine failure when used as a fuel additive.

The "magic bullet", if you want to call it that, is Liquid Natural Gas as a vehicle fuel. The technology has been in use in the U.S. for 80 years. Almost any gasoline/diesel fueled engine can be converted to burn LNG for around $1500.00. New vehicle costs would go down drastically; no half-fasst pollution controls required. Price per gallon = about $2.00. MPG = about the same as gasoline.

There is sufficient untapped NG, inside the U.S., to run every vehicle in on the road today for a couple of hundred years. Bingo - no need to waste food products, no need to put up with the ethanol/biofuels scams and no dependence on OPEC. Do the research.

hydrogenproductionengineer
Excellent post! But what about cellulosic ethanol? It isn't made from corn.

How much would infrastructure modification to gas stations cost us?

What about fuel cells? Battery technology is doubling about every 4 years. If vehicle range can be increased to 300 miles on a single charge then that might be the best solution.

You called liquid natural gas the "magic bullet." That sounds good but using LNG would push up the price of LNG which would cause hardships for the many people that use it for other purposes. Your projection of $2.00/gallon LNG would also increase substantially as demand increased. That's simple supply and demand. Nonetheless, LNG would end our reliance on foreign oil.

What about the economic effects on Canada and Mexico, our chief oil suppliers?

Would USA conversion to LNG rapidly destabilize nondiverse economies like in the Middle East, Russia and Venezuela leading to wars?

I agree that new vehicle costs would go down drastically.

I agree that there's plenty of LNG here in the USA too but the Democrats are blocking all drilling for oil and LNG offshore. Would they relent? Possibly.
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