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Monday, March 24, 2008
Chuck Colson :: Townhall.com Columnist
"They Want Jesus Instead": Why Muslims Convert
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In church yesterday, as you celebrated Easter, did you notice anything—or anyone—unusual?

In churches all over the world, there were millions of people celebrating the resurrection of Christ, who were not there just a few years ago—because they were worshipping in a mosque instead.

It is thrilling evidence that God is doing a mighty work among Muslims.

According to the website Islam Watch, in Russia, some two million ethnic Muslims converted to Christianity last year. Ten thousand French Muslims converted, as did 35,000 Turkish Muslims. In India, approximately 10,000 people abandoned Islam for Christianity.

In his book Epicenter, author Joel Rosenberg details amazing stories of Muslims converting to Christianity. In Algeria, the birthplace of St. Augustine, more than 80,000 Muslims have turned to Christ in recent years. This, despite the stiff opposition from Islamic clerics who have passed laws banning evangelism.

In Morocco, newspaper articles openly worry that 25,000 to 40,000 Muslims have become followers of Christ in recent years.

The stories are even more amazing in the heart of the Middle East. In 1996, the Egyptian Bible Society sold just 3,000 video copies of the JESUS film. In the year 2000, they sold an incredible 600,000 copies.

In Sudan, as many as five million Muslims have accepted Christ since the early 1990s, despite horrific persecution of Christians by the Sudanese government. What is behind the mass conversions? According to a Sudanese evangelical leader, “People have seen real Islam, and they want Jesus instead.”

In Iraq, “More than 5,000 Muslim converts to Christianity have been identified since the end of major combat operations,” says Islam Watch. And just a few days ago, the first-ever Roman Catholic church was consecrated in Qatar, a Sunni Muslim state where the Wahhabi brand of Islam is practiced. This was the first time Christians in Qatar have been allowed to practice their faith openly. Ten thousand people attended the opening mass.

These conversions have not escaped the notice of Islamic leaders. In 2001, Sheikh Ahmad Al Qatanni, a leading Saudi cleric, delivered the disturbing news on Al-Jazeera: Every day, he said, “16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity . . . every year, that is six million Muslims becoming Christians . . . A tragedy has happened.” It is possible the sheikh was inflating his numbers to incite a reaction against Christianity. But clearly, something is happening.

How thrilling to learn that so many Muslims have been set free from the chains of their sins—just as you and I have—by the power of Christ’s blood! We must pray for these new brothers and sisters; many are being violently persecuted for their new-found faith.

These millions of conversions give us one more reason to rejoice this Easter season. Yes, we may be in a great clash of civilizations; battling Islamo-fascists who threaten to kill us. And the future may at times look bleak. But never despair: God is on His throne, bringing people into His kingdom from the very heart of Islam.

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Svirk
Thank you for explaining your views so well. Though I obviously do not agree with your teachings, I wholly respect that you shared them in an attempt to reach out as humans to better understand our God. For you, and for us.

And lastly to the self-righteous fools in this thread. His God IS our God, for there is only one God and God it the truth. How can his God not be the same as yours?

You all need to go back and study the MEANING of the bible. It doesn't include hate as you are showing.

Rich D. writes:
"Hmmm... svirk left not with a bang,
but a whimper.

Oh, well."

Was this simply a competition for you to "win?"

Svirk showed incredible patience and respect in most ways to you and you lowered yourself to calling his prophet a child-molestor, his uncle a rapist, and then smacked him with the "jews and the kids" in the twin towers (yeah, because those were the ONLY people in the towers, or just the more sensational choices?) Did Islam cause 9/11 or did religious extremists cause 9/11? You are a bigot and the bible does not offer justification for your behavior to another of his sons.

What have you "won?" Svirk probably grew tired of playing games with you when he was trying to hold a discussion.

Christianity teaches you that God created ALL man and loves ALL man. It tells you to love your brother and Svirk is our brother in this sense. What love and compassion have you shown him? You would just soon kill him for his not believing as you do. How is this different than what you accuse of Islam?

And I am Christian. You are a fool and a terrible example of a witness to the Lord.

www.muslimjourneytohope.com/testimonies/
sorry to post again, (too much coffee this morning, and a bit ditzy!) but here is interview from Inspiration Network on the muslimjourneyto hope website of Kamran Yaraei's testimony, plus many more if someone is interested. I'm Done!!!


www.projectcallout.org
Forgot to mention....the testimony includes how God used supernatural means to get through to this man. Over the past few years, there have been quite a number of testimonials where Jesus has appeared to Muslims in dreams and visions revealing Himself to them as the Son of God.

Great Muslim Testimony
There is a great website with a testimony from a former Shiite Muslim. http://www.projectcallout.org
Very humble and inspiring.

Dear Mr. Colson
A great article- one that inspires the hope that the Easter season is all about. Many great responses, too. God bless.

Hmmm... svirk left not with a bang,
but a whimper.

Oh, well.

Scott
Because everyone in my church (unless directly confronted with the query *Since you havesat next to me for morethan a year, whydo you not speak to me?*) has chosen to speak only to those people they and their families already know -- and because when confronted, they admit this with a shamed xpression, then return to it the next time they pass me by, I believe that at least in this Catholic church, and in the United Church, Anglican Church and Anglican Cathedral which I have attended,they read from a Bible that contains the command that one speak only to people one already knows through proper introduction.

Sorry I was not here to argue yesterday but I had a funeral to attend, my Daddy was in the hospital having collapsed during Easter Sunday service, and another race I had planned to cover is off the calendar due to the people who had planned it had to cancel. If this is the way God treats his friends, no wonder he has so few.

Svick
First, because something defies your logic doesn't mean it defies all logic. I've seen some mighty pompous eggheads have their heads spun in circles by construction workers only to find out the construction worker was right and the eggheads were acting upon the "logic" of their area of knowledge rather than on expertise in the real world. Sorry, but I place you with the egg heads.

Second, if you want illogical, try the Muslim "explanation" of the crucifixion. Doesn't the Koran teach that Jesus didn't die on the cross, but that Allah replaced him with Judas without anyone noticing, including His mother, who was standing at the foot of the cross. Now, what is at all logical about Islam agreeing the Bible is true, the Bible saying lying is a sin, but the God of the Bible lying to us in the Bible and saying that Jesus died on the cross? How is that anymore logical than that Jesus did die on the cross and that God -- Creator of the Universe -- resurrected Him. Again, human logic might have difficulty with the concept, but we are talking CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE here. Awesome, cosmic powers! Create man from dust! Why would resurrection be beyond God's abilities?

svirk
svirk writes: Tuesday, March, 25, 2008 9:52 PM
Rich D. writes:

"> Fourth, the witnessed resurrection is the
> convincing proof of all that He said.

Witnessed? I don't think so. If a man appears to die but you see him alive a week later you don't imagine he came back to life. You correctly assume he never died in the first place."

Fortunately, truth is independent of what we think. ALL accounts, including secular, say that he died. ALL.

You skipped number two, and failed the others.

Now, would you like to refute that Mohammed had sex with a little girl, and would you like to present evidence of his miracles? Are these false?

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)

Laughable!
svirk writes: Tuesday, March, 25, 2008 9:52 PM
Rich D. writes:
> First, allah is not another name for the
> All-powerful Creator Lord God.

"It is. It is to Allah that Jesus cries out to when he is on the cross. Jesus spoke Aramaic, did he not? What is the word for God in that language? It is "ALAAHAA". Confirm this for yourself if you dare. Jesus prayed to Allah."

Try "Eloi, Eloi, Lama Sabachthani." In colloquial Aramaic, Eloi or Elohi is God. You didn't need to dare me - I already knew this.

Prove that from the context.
svirk writes: Tuesday, March, 25, 2008 9:57 PM

"Rich D. writes:
> I guess that I can't read.

"Yes, that appears to be the case."

Then what's the point of your continuing?

"It appears you were able to find a list of seemingly [seemingly? Uh, have your kid say them in school and see what happens!] violent verses from the Quran and paste them here. Of course you could do the same from the Bible. Taken in an overall context of the Quran the verses are no cause for alarm."

"They refer only to those people who actively engage in trying to destroy a Muslim community and are orders to defend oneself when attacked."

Like the Jews and kids in the Twin Towers were doing, right?

svirk, not so.
svirk writes: Tuesday, March, 25, 2008 9:39 PM

"Christianity is based on a miracle for which there is no proof, the rising of Jesus from the dead. It is the central and maybe only pillar of Christianity. A miracle should not take the place of reason or argument."

When you look up and understand the difference between evidence and proof, come back and we can have a meaningful exchange. Perhaps you have an attorney friend who could explain that. (BTW, don't count on dictionaries which only give usage, and which might be incorrect, as your usage is.) Until then, your statement about "proof" is semantically meaningless. I'm not being persnickety, either - the difference is a crucial point that must be settled before any meaningful discussion can ensue.

aurorawatcher writes:
> He created mankind to be perfect and mankind
> decided to choose imperfection instead.

Was God unaware this would happen? Of course not. He created man and knew what would happen. In the Quran there is a passage where God tells the angels he is about to place man on the earth and make him a ruler there. The angels say, will you place man there when all he will do is cause chaos and bloodshed? God replies that the angels do not know what He knows and then shows them what man is capable of. Namely, that while man is capable of lowering himself to below an animal he is also capable of rising up to heights greater than the angels themselves. He is able to manifest the attributes of God and become one with and a reflection of the Almighty. That is the purpose of our lives and the goal we must strive (jihad) for.

> We so messed up our way of thinking that
> we thought it was okay to have sex with
> nine-year-old girls (yes, I mean your
> revered prophet Muhammed).

A falsehood so common even some Muslims are confused.

> Does that defy logic? Maybe it defies our
> human pale imitation of logic, but then,
> who are you to tell God, the Creator of
> thought, what is logical?

God creates us and our capacity to reason and then creates a plan for salvation that offends even the most basic sense of reason? Nobody is saved by believing God came down to earth and had himself executed so He wouldn't have to burn everyone in hell forever, as the the original plan seems to call for. It is nonsense, is it not?
--
Peace,
S Virk


aurorawatcher writes:
> There are several important differences between
> Allah and the God of the Bible. For one thing,
> Christians believe, because the Bible teaches
> it, that Jesus is God.

Tell that to the Jews who read from the same Bible as you or is the God of the OT not the God of the NT? Their view of God is much closer to the view of Muslims. Both groups consider the Christian belief to be blasphemy.

> He's not a lesser god, or a prophet or a
> great teacher. He is God Incarnate.

The Hindu's claim Krishna was God incarnate. He too ascended to heaven. Do you accept the claim of the Hindu's?

--
Peace,
S Virk


Rich D. writes:
> I guess that I can't read.

Yes, that appears to be the case. It appears you were able to find a list of seemingly violent verses from the Quran and paste them here. Of course you could do the same from the Bible. Taken in an overall context of the Quran the verses are no cause for alarm. They refer only to those people who actively engage in trying to destroy a Muslim community and are orders to defend oneself when attacked.
--
Peace,
S Virk



Rich D. writes:
> First, allah is not another name for the
> All-powerful Creator Lord God.

It is. It is to Allah that Jesus cries out to when he is on the cross. Jesus spoke Aramaic, did he not? What is the word for God in that language? It is "ALAAHAA". Confirm this for yourself if you dare. Jesus prayed to Allah.

> Third, he did make those claims about being
> the Son of God and one with God.

"That they all may be one; as Thou, Father, art in me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in us: That the world may believe that Thou hast sent me. And the glory which Thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one. I in them, and Thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one: and that the world may know that Thou hast sent me and hast loved them as Thou hast loved me." (John 17:21-23)

"One God and Father of all, who is above all and through all, and in you all." (Ephesians 4:6)

"Go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

It is the goal of every prophet to bring people towards God that they may lose themselves in Him. The prophet is someone who has attained nearness to God and becomes a reflection of His attributes. However, the prophet is not a direct manifestation of God.

> Fourth, the witnessed resurrection is the
> convincing proof of all that He said.

Witnessed? I don't think so. If a man appears to die but you see him alive a week later you don't imagine he came back to life. You correctly assume he never died in the first place.
--
Peace,
S Virk



FROG writes:
> what's so great about Mohammed. If I
> understand it correctly, he said that he was
> not capable of performing miracles

You understand incorrectly. What is the point of "performing" miracles? If Jesus did perform miracles they didn't seem to have much effect and did not fulfill the object of showing a miracle in the first place. His following was small.

Also, we see that miracles in those days were easy to come by. There was a magical pool people could enter to be healed, the opponents of Jesus could perform miracles of their own. Jesus even warns that false prophets and false Christ's would show great signs and wonders. If miracles were common place, if even false Christ's and the Pharisees could perform the same miracles which the "Son of God" was performing, and if there was such a healing pool, what was the point of the miracles?

Christianity is based on a miracle for which there is no proof, the rising of Jesus from the dead. It is the central and maybe only pillar of
Christianity. A miracle should not take the place of reason or argument. It should not be a substitute for moral teachings and duties. Was Jesus to win over people by performing miracles or was he to bring about a transformation by argument and appeal to the heart and mind?

That said, Muhammad did many miracles, but the only one that matters is the Quran. It is his standing miracle and can be judged by anyone who so wishes.

> From being raised by a Bedouin woman, to being
> molested by his grandfater, Abdul Muttalib,
> and his uncle, Abu Talib, it's not difficult
> to understand how such a horrible childhood
> would make Mohammed angry as an adult.

Wow, I thought I had heard it all when it came to attacks against the prophet of Islam but these are new to me. Needless to say, your fantasies are false.
--
S Virk



Svick 2
God's logic.

He created mankind to be perfect and mankind decided to choose imperfection instead. We so messed up our way of thinking that we thought it was okay to have sex with nine-year-old girls (yes, I mean your revered prophet Muhammed). God saw that we could not help ourselves unless He reconciled us to Him. We'd never get there on our own because we prefer sin over righteousness. So, He designed a grand statement that would save us and glorify Him. He stepped down into human history and died for us. This is not because He was required to. It was to show that He loved us so much that He was willing to give up heaven and human life for us.

Does that defy logic? Maybe it defies our human pale imitation of logic, but then, who are you to tell God, the Creator of thought, what is logical?

Svick
I agree with Mrs. Paddy and Rich D. The god called Allah is NOT the God of the Bible. If you look at Arabian history, Allah was the name of the moon god worshipped by Muhammed's family. That Muhammed said that Allah was the same as the God of the Bible does not make it so. He might have been sincerely mistaken, although his life history would indicate he was more likely attempting to deceive Jews and Christians.

There are several important differences between Allah and the God of the Bible. For one thing, Christians believe, because the Bible teaches it, that Jesus is God. He's not a lesser god, or a prophet or a great teacher. He is God Incarnate. If you believe He is something other than that, you don't believe in the God of the Bible. Muhammed taught that Jesus was merely a prophet; therefore, his statement that Allah is the same as the God of the Bible is false because the Bible teaches that Jesus is God.

And, yes, I can offer Scripture references if you need them.

Boone
Islam teaches that Jesus Christ is a prophet, nothing more than a man with good things to say. They believe the Koran corrects the Bible. They also say they worship the same God as Christians and Jews do.

Christians believe that Jesus is God, which gives Him considerably more authority than a mere prophet has. We believe the Bible is God's communication to humankind. We do not believe that Muslims worship the same God as we do because we've actually read both the Bible and (some of us) the Koran and see major differences.

Afshin Ziafat says a conflict with another basketball player is what started him on the road to salvation. He used Jesus' name as a swear and the other player said "Hey, don't talk that way about my God." Afshin said "You mean your prophet, don't you?" Well, the guy didn't mean "prophet" and he had the courage to stand up and say so. This started Afshin on a quest to figure out what was so important about this Jesus guy.

Muslims and Christians view Jesus completely differently from one another. As the Christian concept of Jesus dates back to the lives of people who actually knew Jesus, we believe that our view of Him is far more accurate. Mohammed, an illiterate thug, only knew about what other people told him about Jesus and that was hundreds of years after Jesus died on the cross. So, which is more accurate?

stedes
Truth always being preferable to falsehood and Jesus saying He is the Truth ... Christians of course believe a relationship with Jesus is superior to a manmade religion of hatred. It's not about rituals and saying the right words. In Christianity it's all about Jesus and what He does for us and in us. I can't make a Muslim not hate a Christian, but if a Muslim becomes a Christian -- truly becomes one and not just gives it lip service -- he'll stop hating -- period.

As I cannot give a full explanation in 2000 characters, please feel free to visit my blog where I have the freedom (and the character limit) to expound upon the subject more fully. Start at entry one because that's where the basic beliefs of Christianity are found.

What I learned from a Muslim convert
Afshin Ziafat is a Iranian-American who was raised in an observant Muslim home until he became a Christian through the witness of a friend when he was in high school. He spoke at our state's Youth Evangelism Conference a couple of weeks ago. His point was that God offered reconciliation to Himself through Jesus Christ. When one becomes reconciled to God, the side benefit is potential reconciliation to our fellow man. Forget about all the platitudes. God is love and Do unto others are just slogans without Jesus Christ as Savior and Reconciler. World peace is not about making slogans your own. It's about letting God's unmerited favor (grace) work on you, to bring you into a right relationship with Jesus. Once that has happened, the Holy Spirit will work on you (again through grace) to bring you into a right relationship with others.

Afshin's father disowned him when he learned he'd become a Christian, but God has brought several of his siblings to the Lord and his father has occasionally softening periods, indicating that God is working on him as well. In the meantime, Afshin is training Christian men from Iran who are sneaking across a border somewhere to be ministers for Christ in their own culture. There's a lot of hope for the Middle East and Muslims. It just doesn't make it into the MSM all that often.

FROG
FROG writes: Tuesday, March, 25, 2008 5:32 PM

"He would state a revelation and then later proclaim a contardictory revelation. Of course, he had an answer/excuse for this. qur'an 2:106 states, "Whenever We cancel a verse or throw it into oblivion, We bring one which is better.""

One doesn't even know which - the chapters are in size order, not chronological order.

I guess that I can't read.
From the book of the religion of peace, the Koran:

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8

Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74

But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39

O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5

There are 114 surah's
in the qur'an. In 109 of those, Mohammed writes of punishment. Sounds more like a fixation on violence then love and forgiveness.

Worst of all for Mohammed was his illiteracy and his poor memory. He would state a revelation and then later proclaim a contardictory revelation. Of course, he had an answer/excuse for this. qur'an 2:106 states, "Whenever We cancel a verse or throw it into oblivion, We bring one which is better." Mohammed, when chided for forgetting what he’d said, stated the Qur’an was more fleeting than a runaway camel. Yeah. Right.

svirk
svirk writes: Tuesday, March, 25, 2008 9:18 AM

"Muslim believe Jesus was the Messiah and a prophet of God. We do not believe he ever claimed to be God or the Son of God as Christians believe."

First, allah is not another name for the All-powerful Creator Lord God.

Second, if Jesus was the Messiah, he was not then a prophet. It is not prophetic to say what you yourself are going to do.

Third, he did make those claims about being the Son of God and one with God.

Fourth, the witnessed resurrection is the convincing proof of all that He said.

That you could believe otherwise tells me that you are unfamiliar with the Holy Scriptures. What have you to support your beliefs?

So, S Virk, please tell us ...
what's so great about Mohammed. If I understand it correctly, he said that he was not capable of performing miracles, yet twice, once as a boy and again as an adult, it is recorded that shining white beings threw him to the ground, cut him open, ripped his heart out, cleaned it, then put it back in his chest (Book of Merits 42:1589). How could this be? Qur'an 21:5 states that his critics used his inability to perform miracles to prove he couldn't cut the mustard and was not a true messenger from God.

From being raised by a Bedouin woman, to being molested by his grandfater, Abdul Muttalib, and his uncle, Abu Talib, it's not difficult to understand how such a horrible childhood would make Mohammed angry as an adult.

Here's some logic for you. In islams book of revelation, Mohammed has his revelation in a cave and gets pummeled by, what he thinks is a demonic spirit. He's pummeled so bad that he says, "I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down, that I may kill myself and be at rest." (does this make him the original suicide bommber?) So Mohammed runs to his wife, Khadija, to be comforted. She then takes him to her cousin, Waraqa Abdul Uzza, who pronounces Mohammed a prophet. HUH? So, tell me, why would a person who has an encounter with an angel, who apparently muslims believe was Gabriel, want to kill himself? When has God ever sent an angel to beat the crap out of one of his messengers?

Sorry, pal. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, adds up to make islam credible at all.

Mrs. Paddy writes:
> Why are Muslims who reject Islam then
> condemned to death?

For the same reason Christians used to kill heretics. At one point in Christiandom conversion to another faith was punishable with death. Obviously Christians acting in such a manner were not following the message of Jesus. Sadly, many Muslims have not gotten beyond this medieval mentality but I can tell you they are not following the teachings of Islam, the Quran and Muhammad. In fact, they are doing quite the opposite.

> Why are there riots in the street over
> Muhammad cartoons?

At one point in Christian history blasphemy was a punishable crime... even in very recent history. So when you see some Muslims behaving irrationally when their sacred symbols or saints are attacked you and the West ought be able to say, "Yes, we went through this phase as well." As far as blasphemy goes it is not considered a crime in the Quran and Muslims are encouraged only to not associate with blasphemers.

> It is easy to call me a "bigot" and
> "uneducated" in 'true' Islam, but you have
> not convinced me that what I have studied
> is incorrect.

This is the problem I alluded to above. If the West recognizes their own history in how many Muslims behave today they should be able to say they understand and attempt to help those Muslims that wish to change the situation. Instead we have an anti-Islam propaganda campaign that seeks to demonize Islam and farther exacerbate the problem. Take the time to learn Islam from someone who is not a right wing extremist and perhaps even talk to some Muslims.
--
Peace,
S Virk


stedes
Because it is the truth.

Muslim Conversions Good News?
As everyone here glows in the good news of muslims supposedly converting to Christianity, my question is why is this good news? Or good news for them or you?

As practicing Christians this reaffirms your superiority of belief, isn't that what is being said here?

Why should Muslims abandon their history and cultural for Christianity? Why is it so superior to Islam?



S Virk
Why are Muslims who reject Islam then condemned to death?

Why are there riots in the street over Muhammad cartoons?

It is easy to call me a "bigot" and "uneducated" in 'true' Islam, but you have not convinced me that what I have studied is incorrect.


The whole Son of God problem
Whoever, whatever Jesus was Paul explained Him to the Jews in terms of an ultimate sacrifical offering that they would understand in terms of their current religion then explained him to the Greeks and Romans, who had no Messiah they were waiting for, in terms they would understand - as a "Son" of the Jewish God. Moslems revere Jesus as "the word", then ignore all his teachings. How can they say they believe he was a special statement from God, born of a virgin and sinless, but ignore how he said to live? I wonder, but Christians do it as well. God, help us all.

Mrs. Paddy writes:
> Seems like Allah believes that Death is the
> wage for being an infidel.

Those are the words of someone uneducated.

> In fact, Allah is so weak, he has to
> persuade his followers to kill infidels
> on his behalf.

You are ignorant of Islam and arguing against only a caricature of Islam you have been trained to accept.

> Allah, apparently, requires men to speak for
> him with the sword and threat of death.

First, Allah is the same God that Jesus cried out to while he was hanging on the cross. Allah is the term used for God by Arabic speaking Christians and it is the term used for God in Arabic Bibles. Second, and I repeat, you are ignorant of Islam. Islam has never preached "convert or die" and in fact preaches the exact opposite. If only you weren't blinded by ignorance and bigotry you might take the time to learn for yourself instead of swallowing lies.

> Only Christ allows us our freedom of
> conscience.

"It is the truth from your lord so let him will believe and let him who will disbelieve." Quran

--
Peace,
S Virk



Mrs. Paddy writes:
> If the wage of sin is Death, where is it
> illogical that Christ accepted Death on our
> Behalf?

The question itself is illogical. How can God accept death? God cannot die so there is no death or sacrifice. Why should anyone accept your belief when it offends reason to begin with?

> If he loves us and wants a fellowship with
> us, how can His righteousness ignore
> (forgive?) the penalty for sin?

What is the purpose of repentance? Is there no point in asking for forgiveness as Jesus taught?

> He paid Our (my) price and reconciled us
> (me) to God. It is a profound gift of grace,
> and LOVE for mankind. We (I) don't deserve
> it. That's real love. That's a real miracle.
> That is real forgiveness.

Sounds like feel-good nonsense to me. God created you, did he not? Did he create so poorly that he would have to have Himself killed in the person of His own son to reconcile you to Him? Makes no sense to me and appears to be an affront to the Almighty.
--
Peace,
S Virk


FROG writes:
> So, how can someone be the Messiah, as you
> state, but not be "God or the Son of God"?

The Jews were expecting the Messiah to be God? The very thought is considered blasphemy by both Jews and Muslims.
--
Peace,
S Virk




"They Want Jesus Instead"
I was raised in earlier times; a teen ager in the 50's. It was a farm community which I frequently long to return to. Life was casual. Everyone was like everyone else. Christianity was a nice social thing with nothing of any provocative nature. Then came the 50's when everything was challenged. Those times are gone.

Your article lifted me to no end because every time I hear of Muslims decrying freedom of speech, my insides get churned up and peace leaves me. But it's good to know that God is working in our day.

While the stakes are higher these days, these times are more exciting than during my childhood. God is revealing himself as the miraculous God that He is.

So, I say again, Mr. Colson, "Thank you for the encouraging word."

FROG writes:
> Please, S Virk, tell me where does islam get
> its information on Jesus? The only records of
> Jesus are written in the pages of the Bible.
> And the Bible clealy states that Jesus said
> that He, Himself was the Son of God.

When the Jews charged Jesus with blasphemy because he appeared to be creating a confusion between the Creator and the created, and effectively making himself to be the same entity as God, Jesus did not assert that he was indeed God, but that he was using such terminology in the metaphorical sense, a sense which was used in
their own very scripture, Psalms 82:7.

"We are not stoning you for any of these. replied the Jews, but for BLASPHEMY, because you, a mere man, CLAIM TO BE GOD" [John 10:33].

Here is the charge. Did Jesus state that he indeed claimed to be God? Nope! He denied the charge, explaining that the terminology he was using was to be understood in a metaphorical sense, and supporting his usage of such terminology from the scripture.

"Jesus answered them, 'Is it not written in your law, "I say, you are gods?... " [John 10:34].

Jesus wanted to clarify any misunderstanding that might arise from his terminology.

" ... If he called them 'gods' TO WHOM THE WORD OF GOD CAME - and the scripture cannot be broken..." [John 10:35].

"what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am the Son of God'? "Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does" [John 10:36,37].

The essence is that if one submits to and does what the Will of God decrees, he becomes at one with God because such a person caries out the Will of God. His will is identified as the Will of God, and what he does is a manifestation of Divine Will, hence he is identified, metaphorically speaking, as "god", because he is a manifestation of God Himself.
--
Peace,
S Virk


Illogical?
If the wage of sin is Death, where is it illogical that Christ accepted Death on our Behalf? If he loves us and wants a fellowship with us, how can His righteousness ignore (forgive?) the penalty for sin? He paid Our (my) price and reconciled us (me) to God. It is a profound gift of grace, and LOVE for mankind. We (I) don't deserve it. That's real love. That's a real miracle. That is real forgiveness.

Seems like Allah believes that Death is the wage for being an infidel. In fact, Allah is so weak, he has to persuade his followers to kill infidels on his behalf. Convert or die, or live as a dhimmi is the tenent of Islam. Where is the forgiveness in that? Where is the love? How true is a conversion based on self-preservation? What compells anyone to follow such a weak, vengeful, and capricious Allah?

The power of Christ is that he draws us to Himself by virtue of His Love and Sacrifice on our behalf. It is freedom to choose Him or reject Him. His love is powerful enough to overcome the world. Allah, apparently, requires men to speak for him with the sword and threat of death. Only Christ allows us our freedom of conscience. Seek Him and you will Find Him.


For Frog
The bakvas that svirk puts "God pretending to kill himself..."--a little fact that all four gospels mention the side-piercing by a Roman soldier (blood AND water coming out--if the person pierced were live, only blood would flow).

But then, svirk has been a shill since he posted PRO La Raza comments in response to Amanda Carpenter's column on illegal immigration in Oct 2007!

Good Point Shefali!
Josh McDowell actually tried to prove Jesus fake--and through much research became a Christian.

So did Lee Stroebel, a professed atheist.

A correction for FROG: "the only records of Jesus are written in the pages of the Bible." Nope--there are Roman (profane) records of the crucifixion, referenced by Flavius Josephus. However, you make an excellent point--as shown in John 8:58 "Before Abraham was, I AM".

Oh, yeah, on the vision thing,
I think Mohammed must have had some really good peyote or something. Of course, it was many years after his "vision", still having no clue what it meant, that his "wife" helped him to fashion it into a religion. Gimmee a break!

Ohhh, the irony!
S Virk writes:
"God pretending to kill Himself does not pay any penalty even if we imagine there is some penalty to pay. The central belief of Christianity is completely illogical and unreasonable."

Yet he says this: "Muslim believe Jesus was the Messiah and a prophet of God. We do not believe he ever claimed to be God or the Son of God as Christians believe."

You have the audacity to call the tenets of Christianity illogical and unreasonable but have no problems believing in a "religion" created by lunatic warring pedophile who stole a whole history of Israel and co-opted it for his own personal benefit?

Please, S Virk, tell me where does islam get its information on Jesus? The only records of Jesus are written in the pages of the Bible. And the Bible clealy states that Jesus said that He, Himself was the Son of God. The only mediator between man and God. The Way the Truth and the Life. So, how can someone be the Messiah, as you state, but not be "God or the Son of God"?

Talk about unreasonable and illogical. Dude, go see Vanna. Maybe you can buy a clue!

cleverness_of_me writes:
> You yourself said that the concept of God
> becoming a man and giving His life to pay
> the penalty for our sins is the "worst sort
> of blasphemy" to a Muslim. But it is what
> a Christian means when he talks about grace.

When a person with a conscience sins he will feel guilty and be repentant. All of us, to varying degrees, are disgusted or disheartened by our own behavior and are repentant. A person can not achieve "goodness" on his own and, as the Christian is so fond of pointing out, it is only through the grace of God that man overcomes sin. A person who strives towards God and keeps failing will obviously be repentant and suffer due to his weakness which keeps him from his goal. A person may repent, time and time again and may even despair of improvement. The cumulative effect of a persons striving and failing and feeling the pangs of conscience is that God takes mercy on such a person and strengthens him with the "Holy Spirit" to lift him above his weakness.

"As for such, He has written faith upon their hearts and has strengthened them with a Spirit from Him, and He will bring them into Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide. God is well pleased with them, and they are well pleased with Him." [Quran 58:22]

> Mercy and justice are opposites. You cannot
> extend mercy without abrogating from justice.

You are saying that God is incapable of forgiveness.

> But in paying the penalty for my sin Himself,

God pretending to kill Himself does not pay any penalty even if we imagine there is some penalty to pay. The central belief of Christianity is completely illogical and unreasonable.
--
Peace,
S Virk



svirk writes:
"Muslims believe that Jesus was the Messiah and a prophet of God. We do not believe that he was God, or the Son of God, as Christians believe". Ok, fine. On the one hand, you are absolutely correct in believing that He is not God. The Jews confess the same. However, given that he was a prophet, though, why don't you believe what He said? In John 10: 36, He "said, I am the Son Of God". Further, we are to confess Him as Lord, not God. That's different. (See Romans 10: 9) It's at this point that Christianity has stumbled for centuries, and have lost a lot of credibility with both the followers of Islam and Judaism. Even further, He proclaimed His exclusiveness by saying," I am THE way,(please note the indefinite article is not used )the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father, but by me." He is the sole mediator between God and man. Sorta leaves no room for Mohammed, eh? .....Re. SemperVigilans: there's one other aspect of Christianity that sets it apart from every other (ahem) religion: Jesus of Nazareth got up from the dead. That is THE central fact of all of human history. Please note that Mohammed didn't; neither did Buddha, Confucius, Lao-tze, etc. That is also one of the two requirements for salvation (again, see Romans 10: 9.This is why Christianity is a lot more than just some " nice guy " philosophy.) ...Re. Colson's article: This is indeed good news. However, given the long sweep of history, one has longed believed that Osama may have done us a favor w/ 9/11: it may well have marked the beginning of the end of Islam.Why? Because his "house" foundation was built upon sand, and not The Rock.

svirk
Islam is about submission to the will of Allah, and obedience to Sharia law. It may make references to the "grace of God", but the term has a totally different meaning from the Christian concept.

You yourself said that the concept of God becoming a man and giving His life to pay the penalty for our sins is the "worst sort of blasphemy" to a Muslim. But it is what a Christian means when he talks about grace. So you agree with me that that element of Christianity is distinct from Islam, whatever name you give it.

Mercy and justice are opposites. You cannot extend mercy without abrogating from justice. But in paying the penalty for my sin Himself, Christ is merciful to me, while still fulfilling the law, and being perfectly just. No other faith has this concept, or solves this conundrum.

Superficial examination
As usual, Colson, you capriciously deal with the subject of persecution. lst you ask us (presumably US church goers) if we noticed anyone unusual on Easter Sunday at Church. Then you tell us about countries where Jesus is hated, evangelism band, Bibles confiscated, etc. and the Holy Spirit is able to bring l,000's to Christ. What's so amazing about that? God tells us that persecution brings the reality of the Kingdom to the believer. The more men attempt to control others, the more we crave freedom which can only be realized by knowledge of our Creator. But we don't see Muslims coming to Christ in the US. Why?!? In fact, here we see Muslims and atheists who are "offended" by our Christian heritage and are we deny Christ, cowardly hide in our Churches, and pretend we know Him.

The only thing more disturbing than your superficial examination of God's dominion in the world, is the comments of other Christians! Go to voiceofmarytrs, silencingchristians, gospelforasia, etc. Find out what Christians are doing who have given their lives over to Jesus. Pray, fast, repent, be forgiven and get out of the prison of yourself.

Shalom


Converted ____________
Muslim or whoever. Conversions to Christ are usually an inspiring bunch. They often display the fire that has dimmed in many Christians. That fire is often contagious for both old and new believers. This article is an inspiration and encouragement to me.

Also some very poignant words by many of you here this morning (in CA).

Hospitable families ....
are a key element of our witness to Muslims. We have millions of people from Muslim nations studying in American universities. The ones I've met are wide-eyed tourists, eager to soak up the new experience, eager to make American friends. Sadly, fewer than 10% of these potential friends, allies, and converts ever get invited into an American home.

Turkish friends have expressed delighted surprise to learn that there are Americans who love God and family, since these two loves are carefully filtered out of our nation's primary export, Hollywood entertainment. They are also surprised to see single adults living on their own, and elderly people working at fast food restaurants. Both situations are unthinkable to their native cultures.

Those of us who grew up under the shadow of "The Bomb" were astonished when the Wall came down, and soviet communism lost its credibility overnight. If a similar global discrediting of Islam happens, will we be ready to offer hope and coaching to a billion people who are wondering what to do with their lives? Folks, learning Turkish, or Arabic, or Farsi, is a long-lead-time project. Fortunately, there are millions of native speakers who would be delighted to help us, and who respond warmly to respectful interest in their language and culture.

Sharon Boone writes:
> Muslims are too deceiving. They will mix in
> like sheep in wolves clothing to become
> un-noticed and then strike out in violence.

What a paranoid and pathetic human you are. With such blind and bigoted attitude like that I hope you don't have the audacity to call yourself a Christian. Or perhaps you are just a troll?
--
Peace,
S Virk



buffalo soldier writes:
> How can Muslim people NOT convert when given
> the opportunity and the information?

What information? That Christianity insults the intelligence with its central tenet? God created man with the capacity to sin. Then man sinned. This sin keeps man away from God. Now God has to punish everyone He created with eternal hellfire. Oh, what a dilemma He has created for Himself! Whatever will God do? How about He goes to earth in the person of his own son, has His diapers changed until he grows up, wanders around for a few years and then gives a few sermons around the age of 30. Then He has Himself killed (but not really) and if you believe this you may enter into His good graces and be saved. Hallelujah!!

> So...basically the Muslim's own faith calls
> Jesus a liar, but then reveres him?

Muslim believe Jesus was the Messiah and a prophet of God. We do not believe he ever claimed to be God or the Son of God as Christians believe.
--
Peace,
S Virk



SemperVigilans writes:
> Although there is some truth in what you say,
> the more uniquely Christian pronouncement of
> Jesus was "Do unto others as you would have
> them do unto you."

In a similar vein Muhammad is reported to have said, "One is not a Muslim unless he wants for others what he wants for himself."

--
Peace,
S Virk




Muslim Conversions
This seems to smack of Christian triumphalism which is part of certain missionary movements. There is little consideration of the deep and loving relationship many Muslims have with their God, one of mercy and trust. Most of what I hear in this discussion is reaction to a media established view of Islam, not the real thing.

Don't judge Islam based on the extremists anymore than the crusades or the settlement of the Americas reflects true Christianity. Try reading "The Great Theft: Wrestling Islam from the Extremists".

By the way, I am a Christian. But I am not afraid to look at Islam from a devout Muslim's view point. Paper tigers built of extremists and lies are so easity villafied and then "converted". Conversions, by free choice, are going both ways, we should acknowledge.

Outstanding Piece Chuck!
Some very good news to dwell upon!

Thanks!

cleverness_of_me writes:
> Christianity has one thing to offer that
> no other religion can: grace (unmerited
> favor).
>
> Islam is about submission to Allah's will,
> with no guarantee of salvation.

The grace of God is a primary "attribute" of God in Islam. Ar-Rahman (The Gracious, He who gives without requiring merit from the recipient) is one of the most often used names of God in Islam.

> Like every other non-Christian faith, you
> need to "earn" your way into God's (or the
> Universe's) good graces.

Do you know anything about non-Christian faiths? It seems you do not. Muslims believe that it is only by the grace of God that man overcomes sin.

> Muhammed cannot even come close to what
> Christ offers us: Himself crucified and
> resurrected victorious over sin.

From the perspective of Muslims the belief that God had to kill Himself in order to forgive the sins of creatures He Himself created with the capacity to sin is a monstrous blasphemy.
--
Peace,
S Virk




Muslims Converting to Christianity
Interesting editorial. I'm skeptical though that all the muslims converting to Christianity truly have had a heart and mind change and have experienced true salvation through repentence and belief to trust in, rely on and obey The Word of G-D. Muslims are too deceiving. They will mix in like sheep in wolves clothing to become un-noticed and then strike out in violence. Many sinners and criminals use the church as a hiding place from being exposed to their ungodly ways. Hopefully the churches these so-called enlightened Muslims are in are discerning and strong enough to rid themselves of the wolves in sheep's clothing. The Bible says G-ds sheep will know HIS Voice and will follow only HIM. I pray and rejoice Muslims are seeing the light of truth, but I wouldn't trust them or allow them to hold any church office until they have proven themselves righteous and worthy!

Since Christianity cannot freely be
exercised in Islamic countries, it would be so like God to bring Muslims to countries where it can be. What can be construed as Muslims moving out into the world to bring everyone to Islam is not at all how it appears. Bringing the mountain to Mohammed, as it were.

"They wanted Jesus instead"
Jesus never told to follow a religion, but
preached the Kingdom of God; and to enjoy that
life, in this life also. The cross and Christ's
resurrection make Him different and unique than
any other person in the world. Even though
the Christians are persecuted in many countries,
thousands of coming to follow Him every day from
all religious background. He only can give
peace, joy and abundant life while we live on
this earth. Jesus said " I am the way, the
truth and life". The world is going to witness
a massive flow of people toward the King of
Kings and Lord of Lords who is Jesus Christ; and
we are going to see that sooner than we think.

Scott and SteveDowns
Maybe I shouldn't take a stab at explaining AudiR10, she is for more eloquent and educated than I, but I will anyway. I think she is just being her facetious self with that second paragraph. In her own way pointing out how some Christians can become blue-bloods and, in a way, create their own prestigious, exclusive club.

I have grown to love her wisdom and her insight and her sometimes wonderfully sardonic wit. Hope that helps. And please forgive me AudiR10 if I missed what you were trying to convey.

Colson's point on the nail
"People have seen real Islam, and they want Jesus instead."

For SteveDowns: that is rather typical of Pigtown (Toronto), where people who are from more than 100 km away are seen as if being from a different PLANET.

There is also another factor to consider: ONLY Christianity has the record of actually CLOSING DOWN a police station (that at Stuartpuram) due to LACK OF WORK (nullification of crime-rate in the area over the past 60 years).


cleverness_of_me
"Islam is that fastest growing religion in the US because ... 4) there are aggressive recruiting efforts targeting black males in prison."

The recruitment of blacks in prison is for the Nation of Islam, which differs from real Islam, in that it has fantasies about black supremacy over other races.

Every foreign born Muslim I have met says that it is not real Islam. They do not consider them Muslims.

The Advertisement
Actually, I just wanted to comment on the ad for the Tee Shirt that says "Imagine No Liberals," which I think it is in very poor taste. How's about "Imagine No New World Order or Illuminati or False Flag Terrorism"?

How can Muslims not Convert?
How can Muslim people NOT convert when given the opportunity and the information?

Afterall, the Muslim's own faith puts Jesus in high regard as a profit from God. In fact, they revere Mary. But how can this be? If Jesus is merely a profit, then he is a liar and a fake and responsible for sending billions of souls to their demise by perporting to be the Son of God.

So...basically the Muslim's own faith calls Jesus a liar, but then reveres him? It only makes sense if Jesus is truly our Saviour and the Son of God. When Muslims understand this, they cannot remain with the Islamic lie.

cleverness and bones
You know, I didn't mean my previous comments to suggest that Jesus' "Do unto others" is THE thing that distinguishes Christianity from other moral codes or religions. The single-word answer on that is indeed "Grace."

But I disagree with those who say that Christian principles are all to be found in other codes, and that there is nothing unique in them. Christianity is still the only faith that holds as one of its tenets that righteousness is not defined by a legal code but by a Christlike attitude in our hearts, which transcends and supersedes ideas of legality in our moral behavior. The Law given to Moses would never have had Jesus lay down his life for us sinners -- nor did the Law provide for anyone's resurrection as a new creature. The Law instead accepted the condition of sin and arranged for its formal expiation, through punishment and atoning sacrifice; but not its effective eradication as a blight on our spirits.

That is what "law" does (take sin as a given), and it is also what Islam does, in spades. Other religions have variations on punishment and atonement for code-defined transgressions -- or, they question the very meanings of transgression and righteousness, and posit no firm conclusions on those heads. There is no religion and no moral code on earth that conceives of this possibility for mankind: literal transformation into beings "more righteous than the Law." It is grace that does this work, but the objective itself is also unique to Christianity.

God's purpose for each of us IS each of us; His principal work in our lives is not to "fix" the world, the infidels, our nation, our community, our associates at work, our family, or our spouse, but to change US. The promise that He is able to effect this change is unique, uncalibrated and unqualified, and found in no other cosmological idea.

We must insure...
...that those Muslims in the U.S. who want to convert are free to do so without fear of reprisal. We also must not allow any cult that has an "enforcement" arm the privilidge of religious tax free classification. DD

Praise God
This is answered prayer of millions of believers who have prayed for the Muslims. God is no respecter of persons, He knows the hearts of his people even if they don't know that they are his yet, but they will in His time.

Akagi: Christianity isn't really about a religion but a relationship. I've enjoyed some of your posts regarding history, including
the one about your user name. But I've also cringed when you've made statements about
Christianity.
I challenge you to ask God to show you if He is really the one true living God. What have you got to lose? If He isn't who He says He is,
you have lost nothing but if He is then you will have lost everything. (This last is a paraphrase of a plaque I have in my home, I don't take credit for it, but it is a truism.)

AudiR10
I too, am curious as to what church you're talking about. I'm no expert, but I've been to many different services in many different churches and it seems to me that the closer the church hews to the Bible, the friendlier they are to newcomers. This may not always be true and doesn't necessarily apply to every individual. It's a general relationship I've observed to be more often true than not. I have been to Catholic Mass perhaps 3 times in my life and Mormon service not at all. I would guess they follow the rule as well.

AudiR10 - what do you mean?


Hi AudiR10,


AudiR10 writes: "As for my church, if the person next to you has not attended that church for at least three generations, you are required to pretend that person is not there at all. Jesus does not want you to know any member of any family your Granny did not know."


What does that statement mean?


The only way I'm aware of that we can know what Jesus wants is from the inspired Word of God in the Bible, and I can't think of any Scripture that says these things...


Akagi
Islam is that fastest growing religion in the US because (1) it is a very small religious group, and therefore can proportionately increase in size with relatively small real numbers, (2) Large numbers of Muslims are immigrating to the US, (3) Muslims have more children than Christians and, (4) there are aggressive recruiting efforts targeting black males in prison.

The reason (most)
free people choose Christ is because God is real and does transform lives! Apart from it's message of grace, hope and triumph, it would be nothing if it weren't true.

Bones- a clarification
SemperVigilans did an excellent job of illustrating the subtle difference between Christ's "do unto others" and other faiths legalistic versions. He gets to the same root, which is that the law cannot save us, only grace can, and therefore we should extend that grace to others.

Christianity says: we are dead under the law, but alive in Christ. Therefore, "do unto others" has a different meaning to us than to other faiths which say the same thing, but mean it in a legalistic framework.

But I still maintain that the clearest way to state it to a general population is that Grace is what sets Christianity apart.

Terrorism as a Weapon
I always suspected that every bomb going off, although successful at killing people, would have the unintended consequence of alienating Moslems from the ideology that permitted so much random violence.

Really?
"When free ideas are allowed
People choose Christ."

Then why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the US then?

I am pretty sure I am free and I'm not choosing him.


Ideas have consequences
"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." ~~ St. John 8: 32

Sinners convert because we seek forgiveness for our transgressions. This phenomenon includes Muslims, Zoroastrians, all of God's creations.

This observation from one who, in an earlier life, read bumper-stickers emblazoned with "Christ is the Answer" and responded with, "What is the Question?" How silly my humor, how shallow my understanding, before my conversion to Christianity.

Thanks for this insightful message at Easter tide.

Welcome, Brothers and Sisters
As a person who has often had his opinions blamed on, or compared to, anti-Arab racism, I'd like to welcome these new converts to a family where there is no black, no white, no Jew, and no Gentile.

Next we'll try to get Barack's pastor to convert to Christianity.

Wonderful news
The only *true* hope for the ME....the gospel can do what trillions of US dollars cannot.

Amazing
A full sixteen posts and not a single frothing post on a Christian topic. As several have noted what Christianity offers is hope not works. Each of us must be ready to provide a reason for our hope in a loving, respectful, tactful way.


oops....
cleverness_of_me's 4:27 post wasn't showing when I wrote my comment. I would re-word my first sentence if I could. :-)

SemperVigilans
I've got to side with cleverness_of_me on this one. What truly sets Christianity apart from other religions is not any particular moral principle. Rather, it is the one thing without which we Christians would be "of all men most miserable" (to quote the Apostle Paul) This being the day after Easter, what I'm describing should be obvious.

May many born into Islam find peace with God through the sacrifice of His Son Jesus Christ, who is risen indeed!

SemperVigilans
Well stated. I agree with you entirely.

Converstions
Yes, this is very good news. Some fine people who happened to have been born into Islamic families are coming to faith in Christ, and that is wonderful. True there are some people going in the opposite direction, mainly gangsters and felons, but overall this is a great trend. We should pray for the safety of these new Christians, as they have been targeted for death by certain Islamic radicals. We should help protect them the same way that righteous Gentiles hid and protected Jews during World War II.

Give your kids the chance
to hear the Good News and odds are pretty good they too will choose Jesus Christ. Or at least they will start asking you some pretty tough questions and you might end up throwing your hands in the air and going back to church to find the answers.

As for my church, if the person next to you has not attended that church for at least three generations, you are required to pretend that person is not there at all. Jesus does not want you to know any member of any family your Granny did not know.

I partly believe it.
The teenaged African and Arabic Mulsim immigrants I have had the opportunity to meet and observe, due to their strict upbringing and more serious life circumstances, displayed admirable qualitites of character noticeably absent from their American counterparts in the same neighborhood.

These qualities, although restricted by adherence to Islamic proscriptions against questioning their beliefs, are the fertile soil in which the Gospel can take root but which have, for the most part, been systematically bred out of our own children's characters.


"Thanks be to God for
His indiscribable gift."

What a choice. The indiscribable gift for what?

What in this world could ever be compared or compete with the Gift of God's Son?

Some say nothing, re:above article, some say a bowl of beans.


cleverness_of_me
Although there is some truth in what you say, the more uniquely Christian pronouncement of Jesus was "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

This statement does NOT mean: "Don't do to others what you would rather they didn't do to you." That sentiment is found in all religions and moral concepts.

Rather, Jesus said, in effect, that the standard of good behavior towards others is not merely avoiding what is evil, what is illegal, or what is wrong. We are to go beyond that. Christians are in this sense BEYOND the Law -- we are MORE righteous than the Law, which is another thing Jesus said we ought to be.

It is not enough to refrain from beating, cheating, or lying to your neighbor. Christians are called to show love to our neighbors: to forgive them when they hurt us, to show mercy and generosity, to do good to them regardless of how they behave. This means promoting their interests, esteeming them better than ourselves, wishing them the best, telling them the truth. The standard is not what we AVOID doing, but what we choose TO DO because it is the best we would want for ourselves. The Law punished what should NOT be done; Jesus calls us to DO good, but we have to note that there is no law that prescribes precisely what that is.

Jesus showed that doing wrong and doing good are not converse propositions. Wrong is delimited by law. But good is unlimited and unquantifiable, as boundless as the capacities of God Himself. It can't be measured, prescribed, or outlined; we can only cultivate the right heart for it. That IS different from other moral codes.

theBaron
Actually, most of the world's religions have some form of "love your neighbor as yourself". What sets Christianity apart is the way it deals with Sin by overcoming the Law, through the shed blood of Jesus and the Grace of God.

The "be nice to people" stuff is important, but not exclusive to Christianity.

Grace beats submission
Christianity has one thing to offer that no other religion can: grace (unmerited favor).

Islam is about submission to Allah's will, with no guarantee of salvation. Like every other non-Christian faith, you need to "earn" your way into God's (or the Universe's) good graces. Jesus mocked our attempts to do so, saying that it was like trying to wash ourselves with filthy rags. He made it clear that we were dead and condemned already, and then gave Himself to death freely in order to pay the penalty for our sins.

Muhammed cannot even come close to what Christ offers us: Himself crucified and resurrected victorious over sin.

No wonder they call it the "Good News".

jerabaub
"Oh, I forgot, President Bush has declared Islam to be a great and peaceful religion. Cough."

Are you implying that Islam is NOT a peaceful religion? You'd better be careful. People have been killed for saying things like that.

glass is half full.
I assume there are no statistics that reveal widespread abandonment of Christianity in favor of Islam...we're talking non-compulsion here, not threats to embrace Islam on pain of death.

Colson's article is good news.

However, the reaction of Islam, and Islamic leaders, to this news of even small amounts of defection from its ranks, may auger an even more extreme and intolerant stance toward "apostates".

It may radicalize this bunch even further...if that is possible.

Oh, I forgot, President Bush has declared Islam to be a great and peaceful religion. Cough.

At any rate, the trendlines Colson describes are positive.

In the long run, exposure of Muslim youth to the internet and satellite television, with the vast array of ideas and concepts which call into question blind obedience to the dictates of the Prophet Mohammad, along with some stirrings of consciousness that women may indeed have some rights after all(maybe even above those of a camel)may induce some fundamental reform in this "great and peaceful religion".

In this case, I am a "glass is half full", as opposed to "glass is half empty", kind of guy.

Who wouldn't want to accept the message?
When you strip away nearly 2000 years of human history, the central tenet of Christianity is still

"Love thy neighbor as thyself"

Regardless of the bad things that we humans have done in His name, is that not the best rule by which to govern one's life?

How could anyone not accept it?

Hillary delenda est.

When free ideas are allowed
People choose Christ.

Not in Saudi Arabia
They aren't selling Bibles in SA, as it doesn't even allow tourists to bring one into the country.


thanks
for this encouraging news.
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